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00:55 < aestetix_> penis
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11:55 <@shapr> yarr
11:55 <@shapr> aestetix_: vaina
12:04 <@wilpig> ls
12:13 <@shapr> wilpig: no files found!
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12:46 <@wilpig> http://saturdaychores.tumblr.com/
12:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: SATURDAY CHORES (at saturdaychores.tumblr.com)
12:54 <@wilpig> WOOT!  I get my fuck yeah knuckles!
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12:58 <@wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wt4kp150gy8ci3m/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-25%20at%2012.58.16%20PM.png
13:04 <@wilpig> other big news.  the chick that runs this.  http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/  just joined the tumblr security staff
13:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Infosec Reactions (at securityreactions.tumblr.com)
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13:29 < frsilent> speaking of IS...about to get my ass reamed via interview so wish me luck
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15:07 <@Neoteric> hrm
15:07 <@Neoteric> so who can tell me the most about kali linux ?
15:07 <@Neoteric> aka actually using it in field ?
15:07 <@Neoteric> is it as great as i want it to be ?
15:14 <@shapr> Neoteric: it's pretty awesome
15:14 <@shapr> Neoteric: it's basically a linux distro tuned to use all the popular pentesting tools
15:14 <@shapr> Neoteric: you can certainly setup any other Linux distro the same way, but Kali does almost all of it for you out of the box.
15:15 < aestetix_> what is kali
15:15 < aestetix_> oh
15:16 <@Corydon76-home> It's basically just Debian with all of the pentesting tools preinstalled
15:18 <@Corydon76-home> While you can install the live filesystem to disk, I'm not quite sure why you ever would
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15:32 <@opticron> iirc, it's the new backtrack
15:41 <@Neoteric> "new" backtrack eh ?
15:48 <@ignotus-sdf> You don't want to use it as your primary distro, though. It becomes a pain after a while. I tried. I liked the cool blue dragon.
15:48 <@ignotus-sdf> It concerned some leadership. But then again, I concern leadership, usually.
15:50 <@ignotus-sdf> It is good to play with though, I'd recommend it. You can learn an awful lot, and some of the tools are very useful in regular admin and troubleshooting.
15:50 <@ignotus-sdf> Go YouTube. Watch videos long time. You'll see.
16:03 <@Mirage> Damnit..VU finally replaced the "smarthost" sendmail boxes, so now the "test rewrite that i forgot to remove" doesn't work anymore.  =(
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16:44 < aestetix_> so in other news
16:44 < aestetix_> it appears that  Google is still suspending people for names
16:45 <@SuMo_D> If you hear of anyone who stole kits from #‎HOPEX, please let me know! Someone stole $535 of kits from Jimmie Rodgers, and $705 of kits from me -- at our Hardware Hacking Area. (We can't afford this loss.)
16:45 <@SuMo_D> reposted from Mitch
16:45 <@SuMo_D> and that's horrible
16:45 <@SuMo_D> :(
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16:46 < aestetix_> yeah
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16:53 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect if you track down whomever did this and make a _very_ public and _very_ violent example of them that such acts don't reoccur.
16:54 <@Mirage> Bahhumbug: I had to do a doubletake on who said that...sounds very Dagmar like.
16:56 <@Bahhumbug> What can I say?  We both put great faith in violence solving many problems.
16:56 <@Bahhumbug> Speaking of violence...  I have to go mow my fucking lawn :/
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17:04 < aestetix_> Oh boy
17:05 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I now have proof that Google is still enforcing the "real names" policy.
17:05 < aestetix_> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+googleplus/posts/V5XkYQYYJqy
17:05 < aestetix_> That's dated July 15,2014
17:05 < aestetix_> Someone just forwarded me an email dating from July 23,2014
17:05 < aestetix_> "After reviewing your appeal, we have determined that your name does not comply with the Google+ Names Policy."
17:30 < aestetix_> http://i.imgur.com/53Vp7Ll.png
17:30 < aestetix_> there we go
17:32 < aestetix_> That's pretty proof positive to me.
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19:02 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: does Common Core teach how the US government works?
19:02 < aestetix_> Or NCLB for that matter
19:03 <@wilpig> I don't think any educational system teaches that right.  I can sum it up for you though.  $$ => lobbiest, make laws to outlaw competition, $$$
19:04 < aestetix_> haha
19:04 < aestetix_> http://tomnichols.net/blog/2011/12/11/please-stop-calling-them-mr-president-its-important/
19:04 < aestetix_> it's quite good
19:04 < aestetix_> I just read this
19:05 < aestetix_> It's just astonishing how stupid the average American is becoming
19:06 <@wilpig> I honestly don't know that we are becoming dumber or if maybe it isn't at least partially to blame on the media for giving us access to a greater pool for stats
19:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: congrats
19:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> today is your day
19:10 < aestetix_> what happened now
19:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> we put 140 on the watch list each day
19:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> today was your lucky day
19:10 < aestetix_> watch list?
19:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> new article on it came out
19:11 < aestetix_> what article
19:11 < aestetix_> oh you mean that NSA article about the terrorist watch list?
19:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... like I'm going to help a person on that list now
19:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm not getting added
19:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> tsk
19:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
19:11 < aestetix_> so how is today my lucky day
19:11 < aestetix_> oh lol
19:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> processing takes a week or so.. .obviously
19:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> imagine how many ANALysts that had to go through your links alone
19:12 < aestetix_> I hope they read this channel
19:12 < aestetix_> they will love some of the links in here
19:13 < aestetix_> maybe Bahhumbug is actually an NSA agent
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19:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> Sumo... where art thou ? ... I have a project thats cool... esp... for kids...
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19:35 < aestetix_> ok so
19:35 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: you're an academic
19:35 < aestetix_> how common is plagiarism?
19:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> at what level?
19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> in HS i wrote a paper, describing "21" an MTV show, where I copied the plot almost word for word
19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> maybe even middle school... actually now that I think about it
19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I really didn't "get" plagiarism at the time, I didn't think copying "ideas" was bad
19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> as long as I didn't copy the 'exact' words
19:39 < aestetix_> college level
19:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 'to be safe' its best to attribute 'ideas' to their original authors (or at least where you read it)
19:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c when you get to writing 'academic' papers... its easy to get wording 'close' to what someone else wrote, b/c you use generic nouns/same tense/etc
19:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if you're talking about the senator from Montana(?) who copied large portions of his mastes capstone paper...
19:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> then he's fucking guilty, b/c I saw a picture of the comparisons... and its not even close, he only "wrote" about 1/2 the paper
19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I've had for a long time... a paper written entirely of quotes
19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c you could probably do it
19:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 'how common'... in class work... quite common I'd say... in capstone/thesis work... I'd say 1 in 100 at most
19:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignoring shit that MIT does where they "auto-generate" papers and get them submitted... and other "we're showing how bad thesis acceptance is" type BS... I'd say less than 1/1000 willingly do it in the US
19:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> or most reputable institutes in the 1st world... b/c the stigma that would kill your career is THAT high
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> but... I've heard that India/china have a big problem with it... where there are so many people that its hard to tell where something came from... but thats 2nd hand knowledge
19:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> but with the rise of academic databases... and actually some of the work... that I'm working on for auto-grading code at scale... let alone what is being done in the education domain... I suspect that it'll start to be less and less of a problem
19:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> we're soon getting the point in most fields where... people are realizing that ... "everything is a remix" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coGpmA4saEk
19:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: Everything Is A Remix (Full Film) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> enough ranting about that... time to go write some server side code for coursera that will give eryc 5% lower score on everything he does... just for 'encouragement' to do better ;)
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21:25 < aestetix_> well holy fuck
21:25 < aestetix_> that little image I made just got the attention of Yonaton Zunger
21:26 < aestetix_> who is now basically in charge of Google Plus
21:26 <@Shadow404> image?
21:26 < aestetix_> http://i.imgur.com/53Vp7Ll.png
21:26 < aestetix_> this one
21:27 < aestetix_> and yes it's safe for work :p
21:28 <@Shadow404> what name did you want?
21:29 < aestetix_> that wasn't me
21:31 < RangerZ> obviously SenioritaFemiNazi was NOT going to get accepted
21:31 < RangerZ> duh
21:32 < aestetix_> I think my acount for Dr. Penis Vagina was suspended
21:32 < aestetix_> because they didn't like the "Dr." formalitty
21:32 < RangerZ> also, they never said they didn't 'have' a name policy
21:33 < RangerZ> just that they weren't enforcing the 'real names' policy
21:40 < RangerZ> part of me thinks that a forced 2-factor auth system using SSH keys instead of passwords is really the only future we have going forward
21:41 < aestetix_> heh
21:41 < aestetix_> that'll go over well
21:41 < RangerZ> chinese banks do it
21:41 < RangerZ> but only the 2 factor
21:41 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: step 1: explain ssh to the general public
21:41 < RangerZ> easy... you don't
21:41 < RangerZ> just make it a 'key' to your passwords
21:42 < RangerZ> shape the device like a key
21:42 < RangerZ> and sell a USB attachment to read (only ) it
21:42 < aestetix_> oops, I lost my devince
21:42 < aestetix_> device
21:42 < RangerZ> easy
21:42 < RangerZ> just go back to the bank and buy another
21:42 < RangerZ> lol
21:42 < aestetix_> I can't afford to buy a device
21:43 < RangerZ> yes you can, you live in oakland, everyone in oakland has lots of money
21:43 < aestetix_> Three words: "I opt out"
21:43  * RangerZ shrugs
21:43 < aestetix_> someone stole my device
21:44 < RangerZ> never said it didn't USE password too
21:44 < aestetix_> So now I have to pay for something that was stolen from me?
21:44 < aestetix_> also, my device is broken
21:44 < aestetix_> it went through the washing machine
21:44 < RangerZ> ever had an RSA token?
21:44 < RangerZ> or a key fob ?
21:45 < RangerZ> they are washer-proof
21:45 < aestetix_> I don't think an RSA key is a good example of a secure system now :p
21:45 < RangerZ> sure they are
21:45 < aestetix_> what about
21:45 < RangerZ> they are securely giving your access to governments
21:45 < aestetix_> I went to work in a hurry and left my device at home
21:45 < RangerZ> sucks for you
21:45 < aestetix_> so now I get denied access to my bank?
21:45 < RangerZ> FYI, a lot of jobs require that
21:45 < RangerZ> who said "physical" access
21:46 < RangerZ> of course you could GO to your bank
21:46 < RangerZ> I'm talking online only transactions
21:48 < RangerZ> http://phreaknic.info/pn18/ omg... they actually got the site live
21:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: PhreakNIC 18, Halloween weekend, Nashville (at phreaknic.info)
21:48 < RangerZ> ohh wait... I'm sorry... my cache was old...
21:48 < RangerZ> i was seeing last years
21:49 <@brimstone> before skydogcon no less
21:50 < aestetix_> haha
21:50 < aestetix_> http://imgur.com/ah1H0Lu
21:50 < aestetix_> it's a fat joke
21:50 < aestetix_> So skydog runs skydogcon and outerz0ne now, right?
21:53 <@oddball> In theory...
21:54 <@oddball> And the hackerconsortium folks claim that there will be a Skydogcon this year... even though the website hasn't been updated, and I'm not sure that there's anything on the internet telling people when it is.
21:56 <@brimstone> skydog killed outerz0ne
21:56 <@oddball> Oh, is it dead?
21:56 <@brimstone> yup, 2014 was the lastone
22:16 < aestetix_> when is it supposed to happen?
22:16 < aestetix_> skydogcon
22:16 <@brimstone> it'd be cool if they updated the website, ya know
22:17 <@brimstone> someninja │ 24th-26th of October
22:25 < RangerZ> well... skydog moved to SC supposedly
22:25 < RangerZ> so who is running "his" con
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22:58 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeed5Lnlnkc
22:58 < aestetix_> Dagmar: watch at around the 5 minute mark as they have a discussion about "real" names policies
23:09 <@Catonic> nulla
23:09 <@Catonic> *nilla
23:09 <@Dagmar> How wide of a range around the 5 minute mark are we talking?
23:10 <@Dagmar> From 4:00-6:00 they're talking about bloggers
23:12 <@Dagmar> Try the 20 minute mark
23:12 <@Dagmar> ...and they completely miss the point
23:12 <@Dagmar> Utterly.
23:12 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOgc-rzm_hM that is ia kinda cool little project you could work on with the kids (obviously use arduino or something )
23:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Secret dice box - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:14 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ what is all this about the Noisebridge Reboot?
23:14 <@SuMo_D> I'm just now hearing about it, some sort of city notice?
23:15 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: I don't know a ton about it
23:15 <@SuMo_D> they're crowdfunding for it
23:15 <@SuMo_D> did you see that?
23:15 < aestetix_> yeah
23:15 < aestetix_> Naomi is running it
23:16 < aestetix_> I know bits and pieces about it
23:16 <@SuMo_D> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/noisebridge-reboot-2014
23:17 <@SuMo_D> Mitch made a sweet video
23:18 <@SuMo_D> like he seems sweet in it I guess
23:18 <@SuMo_D> I'm tired... however you would communicate that
23:19 <@SuMo_D> I was really sad to hear about his shit getting stolen at hopex hopefully somebody just mistook it for donations :/
23:19  * aestetix_ nods
23:20 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: I'm so worn out from HOPE that I actually got sick
23:20 <@SuMo_D> oh noes!
23:20 < aestetix_> At this point it takes me 1 to 1.5 weeks after HOPE to really recover
23:20 <@SuMo_D> yeah I'm surprised the boys weren't but I guess that's youth for them...
23:20 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: did your students show up?
23:20 < aestetix_> oh heh
23:21 <@SuMo_D> yeah they did
23:21 < aestetix_> what did they think?
23:21 <@SuMo_D> and they had an awesome time
23:21 < aestetix_> great!
23:21 <@SuMo_D> they were like we just met a ton of awesome people and are super inspired :D
23:21 < aestetix_> cool
23:21 <@SuMo_D> and yeah they got back at like midnight on Monday and were off to teach kids summer camps at 8:30 on Tuesday
23:21 <@SuMo_D> little freakin' troopers
23:21 <@SuMo_D> actually they're getting bigger...
23:21 < aestetix_> did they share any highlights?
23:22 < aestetix_> also, did they actually get in to see the keynote?
23:22 <@SuMo_D> we had a GREAT meeting with the science center here, think Lawrence Hall of Science in our town
23:22 < aestetix_> We've never seen anything like that at the conference before
23:22 <@SuMo_D> and I was like shit B your voice like dropped 2 octaves overnight
23:22 < aestetix_> haha
23:22 < aestetix_> heh nice photo of the HOPE badge
23:22 < aestetix_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/naveen_/14720528985/in/photolist-kqptCC-oqNypT-dV3pTV-57zStP-57kNtv
23:23 <@SuMo_D> I'm trying to make a point to call them young men...
23:23 <@SuMo_D> :) that is nice
23:23 <@SuMo_D> yeah, they weren't too into the lectures they were like AHHHHH TOO MANY PEOPLE and why should we care we can just watch them online later...
23:24 <@SuMo_D> so they spent their time meeting people
23:24 <@SuMo_D> Do you know a girl that goes by Gus?
23:24 < aestetix_> yes!
23:24 < aestetix_> She's a good friend
23:24 <@SuMo_D> apparently she's a lot like me
23:24 < aestetix_> She is also in org
23:24 < RangerZ> Dagmar: wow... they get paid to say this shit? wow... we need to start a video blog...
23:24 < RangerZ> lol
23:24 <@SuMo_D> org?
23:25 < aestetix_> hope org
23:25 <@SuMo_D> but yeah apparently they spent a lot of time with her and thought she was a badass, and they're always telling me how weird/unique I am but they were like DUDE - SHE'S AWESOME TOO
23:25 < aestetix_> haha
23:26 <@SuMo_D> :)
23:26 < aestetix_> RangerZ: Leo Laporte has been around for a while
23:26 <@SuMo_D> trying to think who else they told me they met...
23:26 < aestetix_> And I highly respect him. I just happen to disagree on that one issue
23:26 <@SuMo_D> they def got inspired... which was the main point
23:26 < aestetix_> cool
23:26 < RangerZ> i know, but still
23:26 < aestetix_> how old are they?
23:26 < RangerZ> i'm aware of who he is, etc
23:27 <@SuMo_D> 16 and 17
23:27 < aestetix_> oh cool
23:27 < aestetix_> You should tell them to submit talks to HOPE 11
23:27 < RangerZ> but 'being around a while' doesn't mean much... look at Reagan , he was around a long time... and his alzheimer's didn't help things... lol
23:27 <@SuMo_D> oh Dude... B would be on that in a hot minute
23:27 < aestetix_> haha
23:28 <@SuMo_D> he's so motivated....
23:28 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: cool
23:28 <@SuMo_D> he already has his A+ cert
23:28 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: I'm also willing to chat with them if they want.
23:28 <@SuMo_D> yeah totally!
23:28 < aestetix_> Although.... give me a week or two to finish recovering
23:28 <@SuMo_D> :)
23:28 < aestetix_> This whole getting older thing sucks
23:28 <@SuMo_D> sure sure
23:28 < aestetix_> especially if they get inspired to run their own mini-conference in your town
23:28 <@SuMo_D> we're actually in a pretty crazy crunch time another week things should let up
23:28 <@SuMo_D> we just got one grant in
23:28 <@SuMo_D> and we have another due Friday
23:29 < aestetix_> and tell them to subscribe to 2600 magazine
23:29 <@Dagmar> I highly doubt they'll read what I just posted but whatever
23:29 <@SuMo_D> and I've been kicking their butts cause this one is the first one they're supposed to write themselves.... but yeah... they kinda needed some guidance
23:29 < aestetix_> since you can get it on the kindle now
23:29 <@SuMo_D> but they're quick learners
23:29 <@SuMo_D> B already does
23:29 < aestetix_> oh cool
23:29 <@SuMo_D> I got him Make for Christmas and his mom got him 2600 ;)
23:30 < aestetix_> I love hearing people who learn about 2600 say "why is it on paper in this day and age?!?!"
23:30 <@SuMo_D> you can guess which one he enjoys more :P
23:30 < aestetix_> and then you mention it's been published for 30 years
23:30 <@SuMo_D> hahaha
23:30 < aestetix_> and they go "oh....."
23:30 <@SuMo_D> HA
23:30 <@SuMo_D> that's even better :D
23:31 <@Dagmar> I wonder if I can sub to it through Google
23:31 <@SuMo_D> but yeah apparently there were so many people for Snowden, they blocked the way to get Mitch
23:31 < aestetix_> man
23:31 < aestetix_> we took every fucking precaution for that
23:31 <@SuMo_D> I was really hoping they'd meet mitch :/
23:32 < aestetix_> well, just ask mitch to come visit your space
23:32 <@SuMo_D> we don't currently have a a space :(
23:32 < aestetix_> but yeah, the entire 18th floor (talks) was filled, the 6th floor (workshops) was filled, and even the spillover we set up on the ground floor was full
23:32 < aestetix_> we have never seen anything like that before
23:32 <@SuMo_D> but we're getting close to another one.... if all goes well... we've got some cool shit in the works
23:32 < aestetix_> I'm so glad we had streaming set up
23:32 < aestetix_> otherwise we'd have been toast
23:33 <@Dagmar> aha!
23:33 <@Dagmar> https://play.google.com/store/newsstand/details/2600_The_Hacker_Quarterly?id=CAow1KqPAw
23:33 <@SuMo_D> it kinda works though that we're gypsies
23:33 < aestetix_> heh
23:33 <@Dagmar> That's very good
23:33 < RangerZ> buy an issue for 6$..... lol
23:33 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: maybe tell them to submit articles to 2600
23:34 <@Dagmar> It's been so long since I've seen it on shelves I don't know if $6 is the normal price or not
23:34 <@SuMo_D> yeah, right now since they're running the program and I'm just the butt kicker/advisor/mentor I'm not sure if they have time
23:35 <@Dagmar> I don't really _care_ either, since it's a quarterly
23:35 <@SuMo_D> but they might at some point
23:35 <@SuMo_D> Dagmar they have it at Barnes & Nobles now
23:35 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Back issues are $4
23:35 < RangerZ> ahh, so not too bad
23:35 <@Dagmar> SuMo_D: Except I never go there anymore because I don't bother with dead trees
23:35 < aestetix_> Dagmar: either $5 or $6 yeah
23:35 < aestetix_> but you can also just get a subscription online that should be $1 a month
23:35 < aestetix_> that's what I've done
23:36 <@Dagmar> ...and it's not at _all_ Barnes & Nobles to be sure
23:36 <@SuMo_D> well, the ones here all do
23:36 <@Dagmar> Hlaf of the 90's we had to keep a close eye on them because fuckers would decide it was a criminal mag or something and try to hide all the issues behind other shit
23:36 <@Dagmar> Various skullduggery
23:37 <@SuMo_D> :)
23:37 <@Dagmar> ...and the issues wouldn't sell since they were impossible to find, which made the bookstore not very amused at having to carry them
23:37 <@SuMo_D> but yeah aestetix_ I think I'm going to try to make it a goal to try to make it to HOPE next year....
23:37 < aestetix_> you mean in 2016
23:37 < aestetix_> doing it every year would kill us
23:38 < aestetix_> unlike defcon, HOPE is volunteer run
23:38 <@SuMo_D> ah yeah
23:38 < RangerZ> "suckers" ran ;)
23:38 < RangerZ> lol
23:38 <@SuMo_D> well that makes it even more realistic then...
23:38 < aestetix_> RangerZ: even emmanuel buys his own ticket
23:38 < RangerZ> lol
23:38 < RangerZ> yeah, I'm just kidding
23:38 < aestetix_> Which I like to bring up to journalists who try to tout that they are too important to pay
23:38 < aestetix_> Because everyone who works registration has to buy a ticket
23:38 < RangerZ> don't worry... You'll have a great time at PN... you'll be able to sit back with us with a beer.. .and laugh at the ball pit, which I'll buy you a free 1hr ;)
23:39 <@Dagmar> lol http://pvponline.com/comic/2014/07/25/give-and-take
23:39 < aestetix_> Which makes it much easier to tell all the people who want in free to fuck off
23:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: PVP - give and take (at pvponline.com)
23:39 <@Dagmar> "If it were a TV show, Fox would be trying to cancel it right now"
23:39 <@SuMo_D> ball pit WTF?
23:39 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Ther'es not going to be a ball pit
23:40 < RangerZ> what? no ball pit?
23:40 < aestetix_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/900PCS-Multi-Color-6-5cm-Pit-Balls-Kids-Pool-Playhut-Play-Tents-Bouncer-House-/281392784369?pt=Outdoor_Toys_Structures_US&hash=item41845123f1
23:40 < RangerZ> what are we going to give out as compensation then?
23:40 < RangerZ> lol
23:40 <@Dagmar> ...and i'm going to steal someone elses phrase by saying that if people really and sincerely want to know where the ball pit is I will provide them with a detailed map telling them to go fuck themselves
23:40 < aestetix_> RangerZ: an hour in Corydon76-home's hotel room
23:41 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I am sure we can find them some surplus misandry to play in somewhere.
23:42 <@SuMo_D> I wonder if those would fit in an eggbot
23:42 < RangerZ> leave crazypants out of this
23:42 < RangerZ> besides, she got a suite for you two at the hotel for the weekend
23:42 <@SuMo_D> which two?
23:43 <@Dagmar>  I know he's not talking about me because I'll cut him like a hispanic girl
23:43 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: Dagmar and anarchival I assume
23:43 <@SuMo_D> is klixa coming?
23:43 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: she has to. Otherwise we won't be able to have sex
23:43 <@SuMo_D> or she being all like I have a child and a life and all that
23:43 < RangerZ> nah, she'd give the child to wilpig_ and be drunk the weekend
23:44 < aestetix_> s/wilpig/notlarry/
23:44 <@SuMo_D> I'd worry the baby would end up with the hog
23:44 < RangerZ> s/notlarry/dagmar/
23:44 < aestetix_> man
23:44 < RangerZ> we can keep raising the ante
23:44 < aestetix_> please say the pig roast is happening this year
23:44 < RangerZ> nah
23:44 < aestetix_> that's one of my favorite parts of phreaknic
23:45 < RangerZ> actually... it might be... check the website
23:45 <@SuMo_D> is it still 25$ this year?
23:45 < RangerZ> LOL
23:45 < aestetix_> pig roast and vagina
23:45 < aestetix_> "The PhreakNIC 18 website - with preliminary guest, panel and schedule info - will launch July 4th, as will the call for papers, volunteers, and pre-con meeting schedule."
23:45 < RangerZ> supposedly the pig 'could' happen, but I haven't read anything about it
23:46 < aestetix_> seriously I love me some pig
23:46 < aestetix_> too many folks around here are all about vegan
23:46 <@SuMo_D> well there sure ain't a shortage of it in the south... seriously so much pork everywhere
23:47 < aestetix_> and they make this crap tofu meat substitute and don't bother to tell you about it
23:47 <@SuMo_D> even the veggies are made with backfat
23:47 < aestetix_> you take a bite and it tastes like sewage and you're like what is this shit
23:47 <@SuMo_D> I prefer seitan substitutes for meat
23:47 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: whats the google group for PN ?
23:47  * wilpig_ slaps SuMo_D 
23:47 <@wilpig_> you take that back!
23:47 <@Dagmar> This Defiance thing looks interesting
23:47 <@Dagmar> Apparently there's a TV show that goes along with it.
23:47 < RangerZ> Dagmar: don't bother
23:48  * SuMo_D knees wilpig in the stomach 
23:48 <@SuMo_D> nope
23:48 <@wilpig_> Dagmar: the defiance show isn't horrible
23:48 <@Dagmar> You people have terrible taste in television, so I'm sure you've been watchin git
23:48 < aestetix_> and then when you ask "what is this shit" they either proudly say it's vegan substitute or act offended because you spat it out
23:48 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Just remember, omnivores eat herbivores.
23:48 < aestetix_> haha
23:48 < RangerZ> Dagmar: the show was pretty good (i only saw the first season) but it kills off main characters more than Dragonball Z... and no reviving them (that I know of)
23:48 < aestetix_> to quote a friend "vegetables are what food eats"
23:48 <@Dagmar> If you look at these people as if they were walking _food_, they tend to shut up and wander away.
23:49 <@wilpig_> Dagmar: my friend lo asked me to get it for her.  I started watching it and it isn't horrible.  neat idea at least.   you can find all the eps in that place where I put things if you are so inclined
23:49 <@SuMo_D> yo, I have plenty of vegan friends that make good food but yeah in the bay area its like a competition to make the shittiest cardboard sometimes
23:49 < aestetix_> reminds me of the girl I dated who tried to make me go vegan
23:49 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Well, that may be to do with the fact that half of their "thing" is this future-tech MMO
23:49 < aestetix_> she made me buy these $80 all vegan shoes that fell apart after two months
23:49 < RangerZ> yeah, I have it
23:50 <@SuMo_D> lol
23:50 < RangerZ> was kinda cool for a while, but it got old fast
23:50 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: I/m just wondering if the show would be a warning that they have something impossibly stupid in the game
23:50 <@SuMo_D> that's funny I was actually helping a friend design some vegan shoes pretty recently - but then realized wait
23:50 <@Dagmar> Shoes.
23:50 <@SuMo_D> they're made of animal hair... that she weaves and spins herself
23:50 <@Dagmar> They're not just for breakfast anymore.
23:50 <@wilpig_> Dagmar: at one point they were trying to claim that the players of the game were going to be shaping the tv show's plot
23:51 <@SuMo_D> so... not quite vegan... but cruelty free
23:51 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Yeah I saw that.  Don't believe it
23:51 < RangerZ> they were going to have artists make an actor up to LOOK like the character
23:51 < RangerZ> thats all
23:51 <@wilpig_> only an idiot would believe that
23:51 < aestetix_> god now I want steak
23:52 < aestetix_> with a side of hamburger
23:52 < aestetix_> covered in bacon
23:52 <@SuMo_D> :)
23:52 < aestetix_> I will say this much
23:52 < RangerZ> they already have make-up artists and actors... whats the difference if you make it one of the possible... 1000 character face combos, lol
23:52 <@SuMo_D> you need to come visit
23:52 < aestetix_> the south has its downsides, but the food is not one of them
23:52 <@SuMo_D> that's like ALL THE FOOD HERE
23:52 < RangerZ> aestetix_: I just had that for lunch today
23:52 < RangerZ> lol
23:52 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: here places give you a tiny dish of croutons, say it's organic and natural, and charge $20
23:52 <@SuMo_D> well not all of it, but a sure hell of a lot of it
23:52 < RangerZ> but fast food bacon kinda sucks... gotta make it at home, lol
23:52 <@wilpig_> oh yeah.  there's this thing now.  http://williamshatner.tumblr.com/
23:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: WILLIAM SHATNER (at williamshatner.tumblr.com)
23:53 <@Dagmar> I'm figuring the problem is more that they won't want to air an episode starring Whorvia McBoobtits
23:53 < aestetix_> I am serious
23:53 < aestetix_> A fucking hamburger should not cost $15
23:53 <@SuMo_D> yeah we have a lot of farm to table stuff in our community, organic and good.... some 30 farms in the ara
23:53 <@Dagmar> Because remember, Flip managed to take the top spot on the first leaderboards for Diablo
23:53 <@SuMo_D> area of various kinds
23:53 <@Dagmar> ...with deplorable names.
23:53 <@SuMo_D> its awesome :) makes me hella happy
23:53 <@Dagmar> Or maybe ti was starcraft.  Can't remember now
23:53 <@Dagmar> They banned him.  Heh
23:53 < RangerZ> also... never eat a hamburger at the place in New Haven, Connecticut, they don't serve it with ANYTHING at all, ever, no toppings at all
23:53 <@SuMo_D> but apparently hella is not a word people understand here which is sad
23:53 < RangerZ> and its kinda dry
23:53 <@SuMo_D> and one good thing about the bay
23:54 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ that was one thing the boys complained about a lot was they somehow found places with burgers for 17.50 in NYC
23:54 <@SuMo_D> I was like... dude... you guys visited my old neighborhood, the corner diner has burgers for 3.00
23:55 <@Dagmar> Luckily, as with _most_ games, someone's put some kind of Let's Play videos up with the first 20 hours of gameplay
23:55 <@SuMo_D> how did you find a f'n' 17.50 burger
23:55 <@Dagmar> ...so I can just sit here and decide if I want to download it or not
23:55 <@Dagmar> In fullscreen at 1080.  :)
23:56 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZuvm2K7tHE duh at 11... lol
23:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Christian Moralizers Freak Out Over Steamy "Fifty Shades" Movie Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:56 <@Dagmar> So far, the AI seems really _shit_
23:57 <@Dagmar> The game has sniper rifles.
23:57 <@Dagmar> :)
23:57 < RangerZ> Dagmar: which one? Defiance ?
23:58 <@Dagmar> Yes
23:58 <@Dagmar> Also, Twitch... 1bb.  WTF
23:58 < RangerZ> its a good way of spending some time... its not a bad choice if you can find it cheap, lol
23:59 <@Dagmar> Well, it's free.
23:59 < RangerZ> ahh, then its fine
23:59 < RangerZ> lol
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