--- Log opened Tue Jul 22 00:00:57 2014 00:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-rnbrrzIQ 00:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> all simpsons eps going to cable, and an app 00:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> but you have to get FXX channel 00:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> no... thats NOT a typo 00:09 <@wilpig> I know about the FXX channel 00:38 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 00:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:15 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> wilpig: you meant ./s/F/X didn't you? lol 02:43 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 02:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 02:49 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:49 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 02:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 05:54 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @Mirage 05:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Mirage 05:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ 05:57 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:58 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 05:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 06:02 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:30 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: Bot will be back some time today. The VM it's on took a catastrophic hit Early Sunday morning. 07:48 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> lies 08:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> it isn't morning 08:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> i haven't slept yet... so its still yesterday 08:06 <@wilpig> goto bed, take klixa with you 08:14 <@wilpig> okay the office fridge has been restocked. getting some caffeine in me 08:28 -!- ignotus-sdf [~ignotus@66.223.57.251] has joined #se2600 08:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ignotus-sdf] by ChanServ 09:23 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 10:06 * shapr hops cheerfully 10:08 * wilpig threatens shapr with a trout 10:09 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 10:10 -!- Feltenix [~conrad@ip68-14-145-121.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:11 -!- Feltenix [~conrad@ip68-14-145-121.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #se2600 10:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Feltenix] by ChanServ 10:24 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26 < aestetix_> wilpig: good to see you 10:26 < aestetix_> however brief it was :p 10:28 <@wilpig> aestetix_: at least you can say I said hello using the native greeting of your people 10:28 < aestetix_> haha 10:33 < aestetix_> wilpig: but yeah. I actually tried to take a nap at one point, and after an SMS every 5 minutes, and a phone call, I gave up. 10:34 <@ignotus-sdf> Did notice you were on Off The Hook. We watched as much of the live feeds as we could. 10:34 < aestetix_> ignotus-sdf: how did we do on OTH? :) 10:34 < aestetix_> and great 10:34 <@ignotus-sdf> Always good! :) 10:34 < aestetix_> we didn't actually get the livestream hooked up until an hour into the conference 10:34 < aestetix_> and didn't actually decide we were going to do it until I think tuesday 10:35 <@ignotus-sdf> Yeah, my wife said, "They should have a live stream of the conference..." I said there wouldn't be one, but she made me check, and there you go! 10:35 < aestetix_> and the 10 gigabit internet connection helped 10:36 <@ignotus-sdf> Yes, that was a nice contribution to the effort. 10:36 < aestetix_> seriously, I had to check a few times to make sure my traffic was actually going through my ssh tunnel 10:36 < aestetix_> "there is no way it's this fast" 10:38 <@Dagmar> heh 10:38 < aestetix_> I love how at the peak of the snowden talk we were only using 1.5 gb 10:38 <@wilpig> I didn't take the laptop out of my bag while there 10:39 <@wilpig> it was all getting reflected off of livestream 10:40 < aestetix_> http://ellsbergsnowdentranscript.tumblr.com/ 10:40 < aestetix_> someone created a tumblr just for this 10:40 <@wilpig> hrmm. let's see who... 10:41 <@wilpig> heh. someone that doens't want to be tracked 10:41 < aestetix_> oh btw 10:41 < aestetix_> someone tried to be clever for HOPE 10:41 < aestetix_> they bought a ticket with bitcoin and used a guerillamail account 10:41 <@wilpig> but they are in atlanta 10:42 <@brimstone> ATLANTA! 10:42 < aestetix_> which was great until their guerillamail account expired 10:42 < aestetix_> it expired before their ticket arrived 10:42 < aestetix_> which meant the guy had to identify himself in order to get his ticket 10:42 <@wilpig> lol 10:43 <@wilpig> https://runbox.com/ 10:47 <@rattle> So what are the odds this has something to do with HOPE? http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2014/07/22/white-flags-replace-american-flags-atop-brooklyn-bridge/ 10:47 <@Dagmar> The sad thing is that with the current environment... that could be literally anybody. 10:47 <@Dagmar> ...including the Mike Huckabee fan club. 10:48 < aestetix_> rattle: maybe that was a terrorist giving up 10:48 <@Dagmar> mitch0: Well, let me see... I can find more than a few 'stoned plot' movies 10:50 <@wilpig> Dagmar: we talking actual stone, or stoners? 10:51 <@Dagmar> We are talking things like The Secret Village 10:51 <@Dagmar> The first 20 minutes of the movie literally make fuck all sense 10:52 <@wilpig> feels like i've seen it but my brain has protected me from recalling it 10:52 <@Dagmar> A house in new england nowhere where people apparently do medium-term rental stay like housemates 10:53 <@Dagmar> Two are reporters 10:53 <@Dagmar> Both are trying to do an investigative story on the nearby village 10:53 <@Dagmar> They are casual acquaintences 10:53 <@Dagmar> There is somehow, NO ENMITY or compettion between them 10:53 <@Dagmar> Like they do not appear to be aware that whoever publishes first will make the other look like a tool 10:54 <@Dagmar> There are also segments of the movie where I swear I think someome just cut a random sentence or two from the dialog to shave a few minutes or something 10:59 <@Dagmar> Also, I'm going to say it 10:59 <@Dagmar> This female Thor thing is fucking stupid 10:59 <@wilpig> Thorina 10:59 <@Dagmar> Genuinely fucking stupid 11:00 <@rattle> Look.. Let me explain the way this cruel world works to you.. 11:00 <@wilpig> I'm still looking at it as thor went for a trip to the phillipenes and came back thorina 11:00 <@rattle> Disney owns Marvel.. 11:00 <@Dagmar> I'm afraid a few people have complained tehre's not enough women on IRC 11:00 <@rattle> Marvel owns Thor. 11:00 <@rattle> Thor is now a woman.. 11:00 <@Dagmar> Wilpig, we're going to have to give you a sex change 11:00 <@rattle> Hence, Thor is now a Disney Princess. 11:00 <@rattle> Have a nice day. 11:00 <@wilpig> Dagmar: I like my penis. 11:00 <@Dagmar> rattle: Yes, that I find amusing 11:00 < aestetix_> ... female thor? 11:00 <@Dagmar> wilpig: It's too bad. There need to be more women on IRC so instead of just inventing more, we're going to have to give you a sex change. 11:01 < aestetix_> Dagmar: just like in jurassic park 11:01 <@Dagmar> Then reporters can take a deep smell of their own farts and write about how progressive this channel is 11:01 <@oddball> Marvel's Thor has also been a dog, frog, and a horse headed alien. 11:01 <@wilpig> Dagmar: dickie is all the woman this channel will ever need 11:01 <@Dagmar> It literally makes zero fucking sense to make Thor a woman 11:01 <@Dagmar> ...and it makes even less sense to say this is a good thing for sexual equality or whatever 11:02 <@Dagmar> I do believe it's _less_ intelligent than that nonsense about how Doctor Who is a sexist show because it fails some arbitrary bullshit feminism test 11:02 <@oddball> Dagmar: I don't know. It means that there are a lot more people talking about a comic book that weren't before. 11:02 <@rattle> I believe it would be a gender equality thing, not a sexual equality thing. They didn't turn Thor into a porn star. 11:02 <@wilpig> http://geek-news.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_ljy88jg5er1qfdq6jo1_r1_500.jpg 11:02 <@Dagmar> rattle: Still... Thor is not a consumer good. 11:02 <@wilpig> thor isn't a porn star? 11:02 <@Dagmar> Thor is not a flavor 11:03 <@rattle> He isn't? 11:03 <@Dagmar> Thor is a historical story character 11:03 <@Dagmar> Absolultely none of the people involved today can be said to have ever had a hand in the creation of the Thor myth 11:03 <@oddball> He's also a comic book character 11:03 <@Dagmar> Yeah but to change Thor's gender is just pointless fucking pandering 11:04 <@oddball> With a slightly different story than the myth it was based on. 11:04 <@Dagmar> Why don't we also have him stop for a moment and talk about how he really believes in trickle-down economics 11:04 <@Corydon76-home> For balance purposes, Sauron will be retroactively made into a female character. You're welcome, feminists. 11:04 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@c-98-240-51-138.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:04 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@c-98-240-51-138.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:04 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 11:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 11:04 <@oddball> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4767417600/h7BE8CAA2/ 11:04 < aestetix_> So I guess according to fauxminists, a woman is someone with breasts and a vagina? 11:04 <@Dagmar> It's about as sensible as making Wilbur have a sex change because the channel is predominantly male 11:04 <@rattle> The Thor of today is a derivative work, comiditized in multiple ways, licensed, and sold.. Not much unlike computer chips or tampons. 11:05 < aestetix_> Dagmar: notice that they all get mad when you suggest that the womens studies groups should have more men 11:05 <@CRasH180> Do computer chips come in cheddar cheese flavor? 11:05 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I'm about at the end of my patience with that crap actually 11:05 <@rattle> I give it a big "who fucking cares". I'd probably rather look at the female Thor anyway. 11:06 <@Corydon76-home> rattle: ++ 11:06 <@oddball> hell, as someone pointed out, the Norse mythology had one character (Loki) at various points switch genders, switch genders and become a horse, and even switch genders, become a horse, have sex with another horse, and give birth. 11:06 <@Dagmar> rattle: I look forward to seeing what the japanese CGI houses produce 11:06 <@CRasH180> Don't tell that to my Wife. She loves the person playing Thor in the new movies 11:06 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yes, but that's not what they're doing with this 11:06 <@oddball> CRasH180: Oh, she doesn't have to worry. Marvel keeps the movies in their own little universe. 11:06 <@Dagmar> oddball: If they had a plot reason for Thor to temporarily be female, then fine, good for them. 11:07 <@Dagmar> BUT THAT WOULD BE TOO HARD, APPARENTLY 11:07 <@Dagmar> BECAUSE HE'S NOT LOKI. 11:07 <@Corydon76-home> CRasH180: it is so difficult to think of you as married. You always seemed to be the archetype bachelor 11:07 <@CRasH180> lol 11:07 <@CRasH180> Or, with a kiddo too? 11:08 <@oddball> Actually, from what I understand, they do have it as an actually plot line in the comic. It's not "Thor wakes up one day and is now female." 11:08 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, I'm hearing that from other guys who I thought were confirmed bachelors 11:08 <@Dolemite> oddball : Didn't Odin turn himself into a swan and rape Leta? 11:08 <@oddball> yep 11:08 <@CRasH180> confirmed bachelor means you have not found the one you are meant to be with yet. 11:08 <@Dagmar> Odin did a lot of raping 11:08 <@Corydon76-home> CRasH180: but I'm pretty sure that just happens when you sleep with one woman on a regular basis 11:08 <@CRasH180> heh 11:09 <@oddball> Rape seems to be a thing that kings of the gods do. 11:09 <@Dolemite> Yeah, my understanding is that currentThor does something that makes him unworthy to handle Molijnor (sp) any longer, so it passes to a newperson 11:09 <@Dagmar> But the poor downtrodden whinorities were all over the media yesterday about Thor and Captain America and it pisses me off 11:09 <@Dagmar> So fucking what if a black man puts on the Captain America suit 11:09 < aestetix_> haha whinorities 11:09 <@oddball> Dolemite: Right. And this is far from the first time that's happened in the comics. 11:09 <@Dagmar> If you care you are missing the goddamn point of Captain America 11:09 <@Dagmar> For one, Captain America is that one guy. It's not a "job". 11:10 < aestetix_> You know, the whole concept of "white" is really annoying 11:10 <@Dagmar> ...although if someone decides to pretend it's a "job" and that the human inside is a replaceable cog, then SAM IS THE LOGICAL CHOICE TO BACK STEVE UP 11:10 <@CRasH180> White people are more peach. I think we should rename it peach people 11:10 <@Dagmar> It STILL doesn't matter a fucking bit that he's black 11:10 <@oddball> Dagmar: This is also not the first time that Steve Rogers has given up the title of Captain America and someone else took up the role. 11:11 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yes but the other people have been somewhat more... how shall we say... squishable. 11:11 < aestetix_> so if you have white 11:11 < aestetix_> you no longer have italian, german, french, irish, etc 11:11 < aestetix_> It basically invalidates entire heritage 11:11 <@Dagmar> Steve's pretty low on the scale of indestructability as superheroes go, but Sam's just a fuckin' regular dude 11:12 < aestetix_> but that wouldn't matter to angry fauxminists 11:12 <@Dagmar> I have been trying to encourage someone at Reddit to tamper with the CSS on the fauxminist reddits so that it swaps gendered pronouns 11:12 <@oddball> That was basically the origin story of the guy that became US Agent. Rogers decided to ditch the shield and become a roaming hippie, and the US government gave the job to someone else. 11:13 <@Dagmar> oddball: BUt either way, who gives a fuck if Sam is black. Why is that even slightly relevant? 11:13 <@oddball> Because... ummm.... reasons? 11:13 <@Dagmar> Like, why is it a big deal that the majority of comic characters are white? 11:13 <@oddball> (I honestly don't give a shit) 11:13 <@Dagmar> One... none of them are fucking real. 11:14 <@Dagmar> Two, comic books are still primarily in the space of things "crazy white folks" get up to 11:14 <@Dagmar> It's gotten a lot more widespread tho 11:14 <@CRasH180> For the same reason that most psychopathic people are white males 11:14 <@Dagmar> But no one in comics gives a fuck about races 11:14 <@Dagmar> People should follow that lead 11:14 < aestetix_> haha 11:15 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has quit [Quit: updates] 11:15 <@CRasH180> Am I right? 11:15 < aestetix_> I love it how that 50 years ago, a man hanging out with his daughter at the park was a beautiful sight 11:15 <@Dagmar> CRasH180: Being rather a goth, I can immediately see that much of these arguments are just fucking stupid 11:15 < aestetix_> now everyone assumes he's a pedophile 11:15 <@Corydon76-home> Most psychopaths are males, yes, but the other part has more to do with the racial makeup of the country 11:15 <@Dagmar> Like, why are there very few black goths? 11:15 <@Dagmar> Social issues 11:16 <@Dagmar> ...because gothery is squarely in the space of 'crazy white people shit' 11:16 <@Dagmar> It's not like goths get excited and say "OOO you can't be pale enough for us!" 11:17 <@CRasH180> Well, I take that back. Goths are truly "white" people. Since they do not get very much sun 11:17 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I think it has more to do with their proportion of the total population 11:17 < aestetix_> I think there is a proportionality to how angry someone is about this stuff versus how uneducated they are 11:17 <@Dagmar> CRasH180: OKay, so there *is* that 11:17 <@CRasH180> ehhh, yeah 11:17 <@Corydon76-home> Blacks are 13% of the total population 11:17 <@Corydon76-home> in the US, at least 11:17 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: No, statistically speaking, goths are like 98% white 11:18 <@Dagmar> It's literally a "Crazy White Folks" thing 11:18 <@oddball> CRasH180: And many red heads have two settings: bleached white skin, and burnt to a crisp. 11:18 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: does that include or break out the Latinos? 11:18 <@Dagmar> ...but there _is_ that 2% that is black, and no goths can be bothered to give a rat's ass 11:18 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: I've seen like three latino goths 11:18 <@Dagmar> Total. 11:18 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I've seen a lot more 11:18 <@Dagmar> Latinos seem to gravitate towards emo 11:18 <@CRasH180> oddball: funny. My Sister's hair is red and I agree with that statement 11:19 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I never hung around long enough to figure out the difference 11:19 <@Dagmar> ...but either way, these are simply social issues 11:19 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Even goths thing emo kids are whiny 11:19 <@Dagmar> s/thing/think/ 11:19 <@Corydon76-home> I characterize them as depressed kids who dress weird 11:20 <@Dagmar> s/whiny/whiny and depressing/ 11:20 <@oddball> Hell, most goths I know wish to curb stomp emo kids due to people confusing the two sub-cultures. 11:20 <@Dagmar> Goths also tend to be much more into a complete blackout of the wardrobe 11:20 <@Corydon76-home> and given how much as a gay kid, I was trying to _blend_ _in_, sticking out was not in my list of things to do 11:20 <@Dagmar> None of this candy colord lock of hair shit 11:20 <@CRasH180> Get a group together of whiny depressed kids who express themselves by dressing a particular dark way is described as something or other 11:21 <@Dagmar> Goths are more morbid than depressed 11:21 <@Dagmar> THey don't "do" perky. 11:22 <@Corydon76-home> The one goth I knew in high school was perky in private 11:22 <@oddball> I've met a few perky goths. They're... disturbing. 11:22 <@Dolemite> No, but that sounds like a great idea for a summertime movie! 11:23 <@CRasH180> You are weird, but in a perky kind of way 11:23 < aestetix_> penis 11:23 <@CRasH180> s/perky/dark, perky 11:24 <@Corydon76-home> CRasH180: who, Oddball? 11:24 <@CRasH180> No 11:24 <@CRasH180> That was just a general statement to someone you meet that is a Goth, but is perky 11:25 <@CRasH180> Similar to what you say to a optomistic aetheist 11:25 <@CRasH180> They are out there. Just hard to find 11:26 <@Corydon76-home> optimistic, as opposed to realist, atheist? 11:27 <@Corydon76-home> Most of the atheists I know are pretty optimistic 11:27 <@CRasH180> Really? Most that I know are not 11:27 <@Corydon76-home> What, pessimistic? 11:27 <@CRasH180> Yes 11:28 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: For some reason, people get worried when I get hyper and happy. 11:28 <@Corydon76-home> That's rather odd, actually. It's usually the religious folk who are pessimistic 11:29 * Dickie runs against the grain 11:38 <@shapr> YOW! 11:39 <@Dagmar> Oh god 11:39 <@Dagmar> Speaking of... 11:39 <@Dagmar> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=806786462674691 11:39 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: but doesn't everybody run against the grain? If you run with the grain, you stand a good chance of losing your balance when you hit a slippery spot 11:43 <@Dickie> O_o 11:44 <@Dickie> Analogy Fight! 11:46 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has joined #se2600 11:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Bahhumbug] by ChanServ 11:56 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:03 <@oddball> By the way, if anyone is interested in camping hammocks, I can recommend the ones that w00t is selling today. 12:05 <@Dagmar> Lovely. 12:05 <@Dagmar> So,I've gotten calls twice today, supposedly from a number that does not exist. 12:05 <@Dagmar> 931-210-6684 12:06 <@Dagmar> That's the obviously spoofed caller ID. 12:06 <@oddball> And definately get the rain fly. It's suprisingly difficult to find a fly that will work that isn't expensive and isn't "fuck it, I'll just use a blue tarp." 12:06 <@Dagmar> ...which, I could swear they made fucking illegal to do. 12:07 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: why is that number obviously spoofed? 12:07 <@Dagmar> Dial it. 12:07 <@Dagmar> You get a telco message explaining it's not in use 12:07 <@Dagmar> ...and my fucking call recorder program fuced up 12:08 <@Dagmar> Apparently these people are using pre-recorded audio clips to "talk" to you 12:08 <@Dagmar> The company name was claimed to be "Academic Advisor" 12:08 <@Dagmar> Suppsoedly out of Chicago, Illinois 12:08 <@Dagmar> I was going to post the audio 12:08 <@Dagmar> There were these really looong pauses before the person would answer me 12:08 <@Dagmar> The last clip said flat out they use prerecorded responses 12:09 <@oddball> Dagmar: Well, apparently that number belongs to a call center in Crossville: http://www.callercenter.com/931-210-6684.html 12:09 <@oddball> Or possibly that's just a switchboard and the call is originating from New Delhi (likely). 12:10 <@Corydon76-home> I'm not certain that the message is from the telco and not from the actual destination 12:10 <@Dagmar> So... why should I care what switchboard that number is supposed to "belong" to? 12:10 <@Dagmar> With number portability, none of that is reliable information anyore 12:11 <@Corydon76-home> It actually sounds like TTS, which I'm not aware any telco actually uses 12:16 <@Dagmar> Are you high? 12:17 <@Bahhumbug> Yes. 12:17 <@Dagmar> Plenty of telcos use piecemeal recordings for their responses 12:26 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Telcos also usually include the SS7 code in the response, while this particular recording did not. 12:27 <@Corydon76-home> You'll recognize that code, because it sounds like a nonsensical number codes at the end of the message. 12:29 <@Corydon76-home> Also, the specific message was that the number was not yet assigned -- that is not a standard telco message. 12:31 <@Corydon76-home> And yes, it sounded like a particular text to speech (TTS) message, because I recognized the voice as being one of those. Telcos, even when they use piecemeal messages, prefer to use a real live human to record those messages. 12:56 <@wilpig> aestetix_: http://geekologie.com/2014/07/getting-high-down-low-cannabis-spray-for.php 13:11 <@oddball> Yep... someone won the internet for the day: http://gawker.com/nude-beach-blow-job-jet-ski-fight-leads-to-wife-s-death-1608253016/+cushac 13:17 <@Dolemite> Yep, no argument, there 13:22 <@shapr> uhhh 13:22 <@shapr> I don't even 14:20 <@ignotus-sdf> Wow. I did not need to know ANY of that. Oddball wins. 14:22 <@Corydon76-home> Dammit, I _told_ him he needed to take his wife to the hospital, but you just can't reason with a drunk guy. 14:39 <@Neoteric> so cmake 14:39 <@Neoteric> anyone build wireshark lately w/ this stupid cmake nonsense ? 14:39 <@Neoteric> aka how do i tell cmake to look THAT way for gcc and libpcap ? 14:41 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 14:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 15:06 <@ignotus-sdf> tbh Neoteric, I usually install the distro package for Wireshark. Is there a specific reason you have to compile? (just curious what the painful situation is) 15:08 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 15:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 15:40 < aestetix_> god I hate neoliberals 15:40 < aestetix_> they are as bad as neocons 15:40 < aestetix_> They want the government to ban everything they don't agree with 15:47 <@Corydon76-home> Such as? 15:48 < aestetix_> Smoking, for one. 15:48 < aestetix_> They also seem to be keen on having people go to jail for using words they find offensive 15:49 <@Corydon76-home> Smoking is a matter of public health 15:49 < aestetix_> I'd rather have people smoking in public, than have someone snap and shoot up a high school because they can't get a drag 15:50 < aestetix_> Also, the recycling issues. 15:50 <@Corydon76-home> People who shoot up a high school aren't typically doing it because they're addicted to nicotine 15:50 < aestetix_> In the bay area, there are people who will go through their neighbors trash to find things that should be recycled, and then knock on their doors to bring it to them and berate them for not being conscious enough 15:51 <@Corydon76-home> Recycling is related to finding places to put our trash 15:51 < aestetix_> Also regarding the smoking thing, I don't actually buy the second-hand smoke argument. 15:51 <@Corydon76-home> Do you trust science to be thorough? 15:51 < aestetix_> If a private business wants to make their place smoke free, sure. 15:52 < aestetix_> But I am not ok with the government telling a private business they can't allow smoking. 15:52 <@Dickie> bahahahaha 15:52 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: it's not the science I distrust, it's the people conducting it :) 15:53 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: do you think government should tell restaurants that they're required to keep their kitchens clean? 15:53 < aestetix_> No. 15:53 <@Dickie> Let Phillip Morris take a crack at it 15:53 <@Corydon76-home> So you'd be fine with being poisoned, and then let your family seek retribution 15:54 <@Dickie> I mean, have you ever seen that blackish yellow stuff caked on old building walls or inside computer cases? No. You haven't. 15:54 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: first off, that assumes that a restaurant will not be clean unless the government tells them to 15:54 <@Dickie> Second hand smoke is a myth, like global warming or the Exxon Valdez 15:54 < aestetix_> Second, that assumes that a restaurant is not aware of the consequences of being unclean 15:55 <@sasquatc4> as someone who smokes, though trying to stop, im all for the gov regulating saying its not allowed in businesses. Its a health hazard for workers, mostly in bars and strip clubs, and if its up to the business they you end up with a business who has to make the choice between their employees health and having to compete with a business who is not as concerned 15:55 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: 1) we have history that says otherwise, and 2) we have owners who simply don't care, and they don't have sufficient money to sue 15:56 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: well, maybe it's best to break it down to the question: what incentive does a restaurant have to be clean? 15:56 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: in the case of government, they're clean unless they want to be shut down, and when they're shut down, they make no profit 15:56 < aestetix_> And I mean, I'd expect different standards from a sushi place than a pizza place. 15:57 <@Dickie> Can food become contaminated after it's cooked? 15:57 < aestetix_> And if a place isn't clean, someone can go leave a negative yelp review and people will avoid the place, and they will make no profit. 15:57 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: that only shows that you have an insufficient understanding of how bacteria spread 15:57 <@Dickie> jesus christ 15:58 <@Corydon76-home> Which is why I'm glad you're not in charge of public health 15:58 <@sasquatc4> yea, a negative review, after they've poisined an evenings worth of customers and possibly killed them 15:58 <@sasquatc4> vs having routine inspections to prod them into be consistently clean 15:58 < aestetix_> sasquatc4: the same argument can go to "we should invade a country before they do something bad to make sure they don't" 15:58 <@Corydon76-home> and then the business changes its name, and starts with a clean slate 15:58 < aestetix_> sasquatc4: I'm totally down with routine inspections. 15:59 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: you're down with routine inspections as long as the inspections have no teeth? 15:59 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: which is more effective: the court of law, or the court of public opinion? 16:00 < aestetix_> So two more questions. 16:00 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: If I want to ruin a business, how many negative reviews do I need to post before that business is effectively dead? 16:00 < aestetix_> 1. are you suggesting places like the FDA are not prone to their own corruption? 2. would you be ok with a local cleanliness standards group on the state level or below conducting these exams? 16:01 < aestetix_> Let's say the city of Nashville decided to create their own standards group that did routine inspections of restaurants. Would they be as reliable as a federal group? 16:01 <@Corydon76-home> I'm okay with the local government deciding those standards, which is the current methodology. The feds are welcome to recommend standards, but the local level decides 16:02 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: that's precisely how it works today 16:02 <@rattle> aestetix_: Hey, ISS World is that conference that makes everyone froth at the mouth, right? 16:02 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: so would you be ok with abolishing the FDA and allowing states to determine what foods can go on the shelves? 16:02 <@Corydon76-home> Do you really not understand that public health is run by the city? 16:03 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: they regulate different things 16:04 <@Corydon76-home> When you're talking about food safety in the broadest sense, it makes a lot of sense to have one agency figuring out standards. When it comes to local enforcement, it makes a lot of sense for the inspectors to report to the city government 16:04 < aestetix_> Sure. And now apply that logic to your local pharmacy. 16:05 <@Corydon76-home> Uh, the local pharmacy is inspected and reported to the local government 16:05 < aestetix_> So none of the drugs the pharmacy sells have to go through the federal government? 16:05 <@Corydon76-home> Are you really that daft, or are you trolling? 16:06 * aestetix_ sighs 16:06 < aestetix_> I wish there were a better way to distinguish types of governments 16:06 <@Corydon76-home> You seem to have it in your mind to advocate for the least efficient government possible and then try to eliminate that government, because it's not efficient enough 16:07 < aestetix_> I'm actually a big fan of local government, seeing as I sit on a committee in one of them. 16:07 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, we have abuses today, but it's a lot better than how it could be 16:07 <@Corydon76-home> Thank you for reminding me why I'm glad you don't live in my city 16:07 < aestetix_> haha 16:08 < aestetix_> So let me ask you a question 16:08 < aestetix_> Do you think that vaping should be banned? 16:08 <@Corydon76-home> With people like you running the show, government would become a massive PITA 16:08 <@Corydon76-home> Do you think lkdsjflksdjlfkjing should be banned? 16:08 < aestetix_> I'll take that as a compliment. 16:08 < aestetix_> Actually, there's a logical processing here. 16:08 <@oddball> It hasn't already? 16:08 < aestetix_> I opened with smoking, and was segueing into vaping. 16:09 < aestetix_> Because like the secondary smoking epidemic, we have a secondary banning epidemic. 16:09 <@Dagmar> Some fuckstick stole my goddamn scooter 16:09 < aestetix_> Where cities are starting to ban vaping because it looks like smoking. 16:09 <@oddball> Dagmar: wha?! 16:09 <@Dagmar> Yeah. I know. Fucked up. 16:10 <@oddball> That sucks 16:10 < aestetix_> I will admit I have been watching too much Milton Friedman lately. 16:10 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: again, that's best kept at the local level, so if you don't like what your elected leaders are doing, you can vote them out 16:11 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: I think we agree on this a lot more than it would seem at first. 16:11 <@Corydon76-home> Of course, that assumes that a majority of your fellow citizens agree with you or can be convinced of your point 16:11 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: I think you're being contrarian, just to be an ass 16:12 < aestetix_> So the issue becomes when interested parties put out misleading propaganda that causes elected leaders to have to vote in bad ways or risk losing their seats. 16:12 <@Corydon76-home> and the alternative would be... what, exactly? A monarch? A dictator? 16:13 < aestetix_> Those are in fact alternatives. 16:13 < aestetix_> Sometimes I do wish we had a dictator. 16:13 < aestetix_> Although that can also go bad. 16:13 <@Corydon76-home> Democracy requires that the citizenry take an active part in government 16:13 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: also agreed. 16:14 <@Dickie> Just write a White House petition 16:14 < aestetix_> haha 16:15 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie wins 16:15 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: if you want honesty, I still don't have a solid viewpoint. 16:15 < aestetix_> There's a big freemarket / government tension and it's really nuanced. 16:16 < aestetix_> I'd say my view on it is similar to my view on the federal reserve: it's complicated. 16:16 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: My viewpoint is that we go with what we have with tiny reforms, as needed. This whole "the market can do it better" is utter bullshit from people who don't realize that we've tried it before, and it really does suck 16:17 <@Corydon76-home> Unregulated markets work as long as everybody agrees to act in good faith. The problem is that there are so many who will not do so 16:17 <@Corydon76-home> Incidentally, that's the same problem that communism has 16:19 <@Corydon76-home> The difference is that in the free market, you can work hard and get fucked, and in communism, you can be lazy, and still bring home the bacon 16:20 < aestetix_> Well 16:20 < aestetix_> Working hard is never enough. 16:20 < aestetix_> Case in point: I could exhaust myself making 100 widgets, or design a system to make 100 widgets for me 16:21 <@Corydon76-home> Either way, you make 100 widgets, and China can flood the market with a billion widgets, so your 100 that you planned to sell to feed your family are now worthless 16:21 <@rattle> Widgets should be outlawed. 16:21 <@Corydon76-home> That's the free market, and you get fucked 16:21 < aestetix_> Except that my widgets can last 10 years, whereas the chinese widgets break in 6 months 16:21 <@rattle> Widgets are the cause of all the evil in the world. 16:22 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: and if you can't get customers to believe you, you're still fucked 16:22 <@rattle> But if we outlaw the widgets, only the outlaws will have widgets. It's a hard problem. My recommendation is widespread genocide. 16:22 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: and so are they! 16:22 < aestetix_> It sounds like the shoe problem. 16:23 < aestetix_> I can buy a $20 pair of shoes that lasts 6 months, or a $300 pair that lasts ten years. 16:23 <@Corydon76-home> Or, more likely, you'll sell 3 of the 100, which still isn't enough to feed your family 16:23 < aestetix_> IN the long term, I spend way more money on shitty shoes 16:24 <@Corydon76-home> The problem is that a good number of the shoes that last 10 years come from China, because they skimp on the laborforce, but not on the products 16:25 <@Corydon76-home> I have more shoes right now than I've ever had in my life, because Peaches works in a shoe store. The pair I'm wearing is a model known to last 30 years or more. They're made in China 16:25 <@Corydon76-home> Point is, regulation of the market is necessary, to make sure that there's a level playing field 16:25 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: should we ban people who have foot fetishes from working in shoe stores? 16:26 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: some regulation is necessary. 16:26 <@Corydon76-home> That's not the problem. The problem are people who have foot phobias who get jobs working in shoe stores 16:26 < aestetix_> For example, I'm ok with banning the sale of cigarettes to minors 16:27 <@Corydon76-home> Why? 16:27 <@wilpig> cause he hates kids 16:27 < aestetix_> haha 16:27 * oddball is currently watching a Bruce Lee movie... which was the primary cause of many states banning/regulating nun-chucks. 16:27 <@Corydon76-home> I'm all for the angry father method of preventing smoking: make the kid smoke the entire pack, making him utterly sick, and the kid never wants another cigarette ever again 16:27 <@wilpig> the hot aisle is hot as fuck. it's making me want to sleep 16:28 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: I'm ok with that. 16:28 <@Corydon76-home> Not possible if the kid can't buy cigarettes in the first place 16:28 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: the difference is that if we let the father buy the cigarettes, that lets him control how he raises his kids. 16:28 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: just sell the cigarettes to the dad. 16:29 <@wilpig> in today's society that isn't parenting, it's child abuse 16:29 <@oddball> yep 16:29 < aestetix_> wilpig: saying "fuck" is child abuse according to some of those standards 16:29 <@Corydon76-home> Not in Tennessee, it's not 16:29 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: I believe in a lot of freedoms, which include allowing a parent to raise their child how they see fit. 16:30 <@oddball> Hell, there was a father that took his kid to a metal concert and it made the news and people were screaming child abuse because the artist said bad words. 16:30 < aestetix_> ... 16:31 < aestetix_> I took a lot of heat at CFP when I suggested that if a parent wants to show their kids porn they should be allowed to. 16:32 <@oddball> Of course, the news reporters were deeply disapointed with the father and lamented the scars that the pre-teen child now had because she witnessed such music. 16:32 <@wilpig> I don't want to watch porn with my parents. fuck no 16:32 <@wilpig> watching porn with my parents would be traumatic to me. 16:32 < aestetix_> This is why NC-17 is a big issue. 16:32 < aestetix_> Rated R: Restricted – Under 17 Requires Accompanying Parent Or Adult Guardian. 16:32 <@oddball> aestetix_: That... could get you arrested for being a child molestor. 16:32 < aestetix_> Whereas NC-17 steps in and tells the parents how to raise a child 16:33 < aestetix_> Although it's interesting that movie ratins apply to 17 and cigarettes apply to 18 16:33 < aestetix_> and alcohol is 21. 16:33 < aestetix_> And COPPA is for 13 year olds 16:34 < aestetix_> Nobody seems to know exactly what a minor is 16:34 <@wilpig> voting goes with smokes 16:34 * shapr lights up a smoke and votes 16:34 <@wilpig> I really don't get the whole can vote but can't drink 16:34 * aestetix_ lights a smoke with a voting ballot 16:35 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: you seem to be of the opinion that a switch clicks in a person's head when they become an adult, that makes them instantly able to deal with all of that 16:35 <@shapr> wilpig: I wish the US did it the other way around 16:35 <@shapr> drink first, then drive 16:35 <@shapr> I think that leads to many drunk driver accidents 16:35 <@oddball> aestetix_: Oh, the fun thing is that, in many states, you have to be 18 to buy rifle ammo, and 21 to buy pistol ammo. Now for the real question: what's the difference? I can think of rifles that shoot "pistol" ammo, and pistols that shoot "rifle" ammo. 16:35 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: it's more about the legality of it. 16:35 <@oddball> Not to mention what the fuck to you consider .22lr? 16:35 < aestetix_> oddball: I can hit ammo with a hammer 16:36 <@oddball> Yeah... and dumbasses do that every now and then. 16:37 <@wilpig> oddball: .22lr i consider the shit you give to a 10yr old to go shootin' squirrels 16:37 <@oddball> wilpig: Yes... that's what someone that has a clue would consider .22lr. 16:37 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: I'm all for raising the age at which you can buy ammo to 65 across the board. 16:37 <@wilpig> wanna ask what I consider a 410 shel for ? hehe 16:38 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Listen to me very carefully. Fuck you. 16:38 <@wilpig> ^ 16:38 <@Corydon76-home> If you want more, you can go ask Gramps. 16:39 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: pull my finger 16:39 * Corydon76-home sneezes on aestetix_ 16:40 <@wilpig> is that some weird form of foreplay? 16:42 <@Corydon76-home> No, it's an indication that my allergy meds don't do shit for me when I don't take them 16:42 < aestetix_> wilpig: I don't think I'm old enouhg to know 16:42 <@Corydon76-home> At any rate, aestetix_ better get the F off my lawn 16:44 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600 16:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 16:47 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 16:47 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:47 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 16:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 16:57 <@CRasH180> I hate waiting for Doctor's offices to pick up the telephone line. 16:57 <@CRasH180> gah 17:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> so chrome... added a new 'tab'... not a fan 17:00 <@CRasH180> Time to send some feedback 17:00 <@CRasH180> bbiab 17:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> hmm... was able to close it 17:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> wonder what it was 17:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> i had a 'new tab' that was tiny ... but its gone now... as it should be, lol 17:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> anyone in 615 area want a 20u rack free? with an 8port switch that someone screwed to the side pannel, and rails 17:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> if not, I'm just going to junk it 17:23 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:28 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: enclosed rack? 17:28 <@Corydon76-home> 4 post or 2 post? 17:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> U rack, with casters 17:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> so '4 post' i guess, with sides 17:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> no top 17:37 <@oddball> If I had a place to put it, yes... unfortunately. 17:37 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> it really wasn't eating up space, since I was using it for storage for my totes... but I don't need it, and I'm redecorating in the apt (aka...throwing shit out) 17:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> so... apparently google drive has version control built into it 17:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> I _honestly_ didn't know it had that 17:52 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:59 <@sasquatc4> uggh, dafuq is wrong with google and mozilla, they keep changing their newtab/start pages to include a giant search entry area 17:59 <@sasquatc4> which just immediately gets shoved into the address bar, so now its just a giant waste of space 17:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> no its not 17:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> you need to search more 17:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> obviously 17:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> how else will they data mine you? geeze 18:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> moz gets ~90% of its funding from search partners (only google AFAIK) 18:02 <@sasquatc4> well i have no problem using them for search, but if im going to search im just going to it in the address bar anyway, which is why ive been confused why chrome and ff now just waste space like this 18:10 <@Corydon76-home> They needed space put in their advertising partners' one pixel images 18:14 < aestetix_> fuck doing anything during the daytime 18:15 < aestetix_> Did a generation of people just forget how to ask things like "hey are you busy?" 18:16 < aestetix_> speaking of which 18:16 < aestetix_> added two more words to my twitter filter 18:16 < aestetix_> "feminism" and "patriarchy" 18:16 < aestetix_> "feminism: because you don't have any real problems to be angry about" 18:17 < aestetix_> or fauxminism 18:47 -!- ignotus-sdf [~ignotus@66.223.57.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:56 < aestetix_> ok so 18:56 < aestetix_> how long do you think we have before the US collapses? 19:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> the US, probably never really, but 'no longer #1' , we're basically there, but we'll 'hit' it within 10~20yrs 19:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c we aren't investing in the next generation 19:12 < aestetix_> well 19:12 < aestetix_> right exactly 19:12 < aestetix_> the "collapse" I'm thinking of is what will happen because of the student loans crisis 19:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah 19:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah 19:13 < aestetix_> I mean disagree with politics, whatever 19:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> housing again 19:13 < aestetix_> but the student loans thing is going to fuck us, hardcore 19:13 < aestetix_> by most objective standards 19:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> already is 19:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> student loans are going to be allowed to be bankrupted again 19:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c until...what...95 they were 19:14 < aestetix_> wait what? 19:14 < aestetix_> really? 19:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> something like that 19:14 < aestetix_> when will this happen? 19:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> no clue 19:14 < aestetix_> you know fucking everyone will declare bankruptcy if they can 19:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm suspecting that law will happen 19:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep 19:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> I would 19:14 < aestetix_> I would if I had a lot of loans 19:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> just wipe my debt, and take the 7 years of 'ehh' loans 19:15 < aestetix_> it's better than not being able to afford anything but paying loans 19:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> i have ~1 years wages, worth of debt 19:15 < aestetix_> won't that just have the effect of making bankruptcy meaningless? 19:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> (not my 'wage' now... but a real job) 19:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 19:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes/no 19:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you invest the money into renewable funding sources instead of paying for loans back... such as building a house (but you have to be able to act as your own general contractor and do most of the non-specialized work), then it can pay off for itself 19:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> i probably still wouldn't for what I have 19:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still... it would make a LOT of sense for most people 19:17 < aestetix_> sure 19:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> most doctors would do it 19:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> which would drive down the cost of health care 19:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc 19:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> but... there is a bill where EVERYONE is getting enrolled in the new program, where they pay 10% back for up to 20 years max 19:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> instead of it being an option, people are just opted in automatically, unless they want to opt out 19:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> so gov't just deducts from your pay, and there you go 19:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you only make 30k/yr the 10% is still a 'lot' but A TON less than student loan payments 'might' have been otherwise 19:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> also aestetix_ 19:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> good news 19:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can have a google account again 19:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'real name' policy is gone 19:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 19:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> some people are actually upset... saying that it will promote trolling now 19:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> HAHAHA 19:21 < aestetix_> and on topic! 19:21 < aestetix_> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118747/ 19:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.clickhole.com/video/watch-man-sees-his-family-first-time-after-27-year-594 19:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: just send people to support this 'charity' next time they annoy you 19:36 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 19:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 19:36 < aestetix_> I just finished that article, I really liekd it 19:36 < aestetix_> "No one but me knows he fakes being well-read by thumbing through the first and last chapters of any book he hears about and obsessively devouring reviews in lieu of the real thing. He does this not because he’s incurious, but because there’s a bigger social reward for being able to talk about books than for actually reading them." 19:37 < aestetix_> I hate that guy so much. 19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> he's whats wrong with society 19:38 < aestetix_> well, society encourages that 19:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> no 19:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> HIS society does 19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> ehh... fuck... sadly it probably is society 19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> but thats a skill you are TAUGHT in grad school 19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> read the abstract/intro/conclusion 19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> and only care if the paper is in your specific field 19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> or 'could be' 19:42 < aestetix_> well 19:42 < aestetix_> it's not part of any society I get into 19:42 < aestetix_> but I don't tolerate folks who claim they have read books they haven't 19:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> i think its part of the 'fear of not sounding smart' type of thing 19:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> my advisor called up a friend of his, and asked him about concurrency in java... his friend is ... Doug Lea ... the guy who wrote the concurrency libraries used in java... I didn't recognize the name, so I just asked who it was, and from what I've been reading.. a lot of people are afraid to ask questions like that 19:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> i felt a little stupid, b/c I should have recognized the name 19:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 'ehh' 19:51 < aestetix_> questions like what? 19:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> that show a lack of understanding/knowledge in an area where they "should" 19:51 < aestetix_> as determined by whom? 19:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is why a lot of students don't want to ask about 'last years material' 19:52 < aestetix_> wow 19:52 < aestetix_> that's not just stupid, that's toxic 19:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes, but its where we are in a lot of places, and we emphasize it with 'tests that gauge your level as a student' all the time, etc 19:53 < aestetix_> so the solution is to drop out? 19:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> no 19:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> to not be afraid to ask questions 19:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> as with a lot of things... don't be afraid to fail 20:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> awww... poor isreal... not happy that we banned flights into their country... that is having a war 20:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'm sorry... but when your airport is under shelling attacks 20:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> i don't who you are... thats no safe 20:15 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> ./s/i don't who/i don't care who 20:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> not 20:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> fuck it 20:33 < aestetix_> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2be33o/adults_who_admittedly_peaked_in_highschool_whats/ 21:11 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 21:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 21:35 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 22:23 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:25 < aestetix_> huh 22:25 < aestetix_> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2be33o/adults_who_admittedly_peaked_in_highschool_whats/ 22:25 < aestetix_> oh lol 22:25 < aestetix_> it seems like the popular kids in HS all get into drugs and have issues 22:36 < aestetix_> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/straight-white-guy-festival-supposedly-set-ohio-pa/ 22:37 <@Dagmar> Hell I think they should have it 22:37 <@Dagmar> ...and just go out there and be _calm_. 22:37 < aestetix_> We call that a honeypot 22:37 <@Dagmar> LIke, "Look. We're *not* trying to ruin anyone's lives. Relax and stop demonizing us." 22:38 <@Dagmar> It's gotten to the point where "straight white guys" can't progress even on their own merits, because someone else is going to jump up and declare they're having their thunder stolen 22:39 <@Dagmar> Some folks get where they are because they were careful and diligent and worked really hard, except straight white guys. 22:39 <@Dagmar> ...who are universally accused of taking advantage of their "privilege" 22:39 <@Dagmar> Fuck that divisive thinking 22:40 <@Dagmar> oH lord xkcd. 22:41 < aestetix_> hahahaha 22:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: you know whats funny is... thats sorta the new plot of Ep 7 22:44 < aestetix_> star wars? 22:44 < aestetix_> "luke, I am your father, remember to check your privilege" 22:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> that supposedly got leaked, where the two new actors find luke's original hand & lightsaber 22:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> and go on a journey to find the original owner, along with han & chewwie... 22:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> but what kinda pisses me off... the destruction of the expanded universe for as far as we know 22:47 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I ran an event at noisebridge for a couple years 22:47 < aestetix_> it was sucessful because I worked hard and make it good 22:47 < aestetix_> then as I was retiring some bitch suggested it was going well beacuse I was a white guy 22:48 < aestetix_> I'm like.... wtf 22:48 < aestetix_> no, people came because I nagged them constantly 22:48 < aestetix_> and stuff happened because we made it happen 22:48 < aestetix_> not because we're white or whatever 22:49 <@Dagmar> Yeah, disincentivising people from doing something useful is bullshit 22:49 < aestetix_> I don't think anyone looked at it and said "oh they are white that means it will be quality and I should go" 22:50 < aestetix_> likewise, if a black dude runs an event, I'm not going to avoid it because he's black 22:50 < aestetix_> I might avoid it if it sucks, but if a white dude runs a shitty event I will also avoid it 22:51 < aestetix_> what's funny is that no black person has ever accused me of any of that shit 22:51 < aestetix_> only angry young white girls 22:51 <@Dagmar> Yeah I don't see it as being reasonable or productive to start characterizing white guys as caricatures of greed and nepotism 22:52 <@Dagmar> The few who are that way certainly aren't that way because they're white... it's because they're greedy shits 22:52 < aestetix_> yep 22:54 <@Dagmar> Well, fuck 22:55 <@Dagmar> That audio reciever I ordered from DX Soul shipped 22:55 <@Dagmar> ...and it's being shipped from fucking Hong Kong, so... so much for the theory of statesite shipping 22:55 <@Dagmar> Oh well, I'm not going to need it for a few weeks anyway 22:55 <@Dagmar> I may just mount it in an existing set of multimedia speakers 22:56 <@Dagmar> Maybe put a NFC tag on it and stick them somewhere at PN for people to play music or whatever over 22:56 <@Dagmar> 'cuz heck, $13 to convert speakers to use bluetooth for input is pretty spiffy 23:11 <@Dagmar> Oh ho! Now that I have KitKat I can finally play with Google Camera 23:14 <@Dagmar> I was right about crashing the WoD test servers by flying. Heh 23:15 <@Dagmar> If you got to the point in teh chain where you were supposed to fly across the continent and it was to give you flight path but _didn't_, if you ran all the way there and picked up the flight point, then went back and flew there, it would crash the server. 23:15 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:16 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: So, CM11 M8 is behaving... so far 23:16 <@Dagmar> But there is still "the usual" where if you upgrade across Android versions, something in the caches of most of the Google apps gets fucked up 23:17 <@Dagmar> You can upgrade Play Services by flashing the gapps, and clear you caches all you like, but it won't matter 23:17 <@Dagmar> So you get to uninstall things like Drive, Chrome, Docs, Voice, etc... becuase otherwise they fucking crash in the foreground and in the background 23:18 <@Dagmar> Just uninstall and then reinstall and the problem goes away, which is weird 23:20 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUTlR_z4uik 23:20 < RangerZ> "Father Knocks Out Son's Abuser" 23:21 < RangerZ> and boy does he... 23:22 < aestetix_> god 23:22 < aestetix_> please tell me this is a joke 23:22 < aestetix_> http://sociali.st/ 23:23 < aestetix_> I love how their icon is a little red book 23:26 <@Dagmar> HAHAHAHAHAH 23:26 <@Dagmar> There are former Stasi who will spew their coffee when they see that 23:28 < aestetix_> I guess we're coming up with ways to market dying political philosophies now 23:30 < aestetix_> Dagmar: the entire thing just makes me break a bit 23:31 < RangerZ> not enough hammer and sickle 23:31 < aestetix_> I'm trying to figure out if it's a troll or not 23:31 < RangerZ> no 23:31 < RangerZ> they are going to try and be the next "in" thing, and slel it 23:31 < RangerZ> sell* 23:31 <@Dagmar> It could be, but it's also altogether possible that someone just did *not* know what it is they were doing 23:31 < RangerZ> its made by venture capitolists 23:31 < aestetix_> even with the red book? 23:31 <@Dagmar> LIke, someone made a bad joke in the design meeting and no one else got it 23:31 <@Dagmar> ...and now it's too late to back out. 23:31 < aestetix_> man 23:31 < RangerZ> and its 'orange' 23:32 < RangerZ> isn't it ? 23:32 <@Dagmar> Dude, the Willy Wonka company is just *now* coming back to doing chocolate, after that movie 23:32 < aestetix_> RangerZ: maybe red-orange? 23:32 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_(politics) 23:32 < RangerZ> either way, its brilliant 23:32 <@Dagmar> Willy Wonka got burned like that when I was in junior high school 23:32 < RangerZ> b/c a lot of stupid fucks with more money than sense... will use it 23:33 <@Dagmar> They decided to market chocolate covered raising. 23:33 <@Dagmar> er raisins. 23:33 <@Dagmar> Someone apparently thought it would be funny to call them "Dingleberries". 23:33 <@Dagmar> That made it all the way into _production_. 23:33 <@Dagmar> They were on shelves. 23:33 < aestetix_> this reminds me of the talk I had to sit through where this idiot VC kept referring to William Jennings Bryan as a socialist 23:34 < aestetix_> I'm like "populist.... there's a bit of a difference..." 23:34 < RangerZ> not to conservatives 23:34 < RangerZ> the tea-party is the only populist movement in history that was ever not socialist 23:34 < RangerZ> duh 23:35 < aestetix_> So you'd call Andrew Jackson a socialist? 23:35 < RangerZ> didn't he bring society to the native americans? 23:36 < aestetix_> haha 23:43 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I hope enough people know history well enough to link a domain like sociali.st with a red book logo 23:46 <@Dagmar> That it's an app for making lists kills me 23:47 < aestetix_> but yeah I could totally see some idiot VC funding this and having no idea what he was doing 23:58 <@Dagmar> Like three people could do that 23:58 <@Dagmar> In a month. 23:59 <@Dagmar> It doesn't *need* VC. --- Log closed Wed Jul 23 00:00:58 2014