--- Log opened Mon Jul 21 00:00:56 2014 01:58 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:41 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY 03:48 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 04:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 07:38 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600 07:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 07:38 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:09 <@wilpig> well fuck. I think that MFC sound from dagmar just went off for new email... 09:04 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:09 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:29 -!- K4k [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has joined #se2600 09:29 -!- K4k [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has quit [Changing host] 09:29 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 09:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:33 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:34 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:35 <@Mirage> wilpig: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20140718 09:36 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:37 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:39 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:40 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:42 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05 <@wilpig> Mirage: I saw that the other day but I haven't seen that expansion or whatever for hearthstone yet 10:35 <@Dagmar> NAxx 11:03 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:08 <@Corydon76-home> http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/07/21/weird-al-yankovic-wraps-8-days-of-videos-with-mission-statement-exclusive/ 11:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: 404: Page Not Found 11:10 <@Corydon76-home> Apparently, the page only comes up if you have a referer set 11:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> go to main page, then back 11:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> and hard-refresh shift-F5 11:10 <@Corydon76-home> So you have to Google "Weird Al mission statement" 11:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> it'll show 11:11 <@Corydon76-home> Or maybe WSJ is essentially being Slashdotted 11:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> that too 11:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> the video won't even start for me right now 11:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY6YMP7iUzE just audio if anyone wants 11:30 <@Corydon76-home> http://adage.com/article/digital/escape-weird-al-s-marketing-blitz/294219/ 11:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> ok... first of all RCA is fucking stupid then 11:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> "no weird al... we know your videos get 1/4 billion views... but we don't want to invest in you creating more content" 11:37 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:42 <@Dagmar> wow 11:43 <@Dagmar> Came across a perl script in production today at work, that's just chock full of newbisms like prototypes and string comparators (like gt) being used against numbers, etc etc 11:43 <@Dagmar> This thing uses getopts::long and has like three subs 11:44 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING 11:44 * shapr hugs Shadow404 11:44 <@Dagmar> One typically short "primary" sub, and a giant one that both processes the options as well as does most of the actual work, so it's with good reason that it's indented like 9 levels deep 11:44 <@Dagmar> WHo coded this monstrosity? 11:44 <@Dagmar> Apparently my boss 11:44 <@Dagmar> *facepalm* 11:45 <@wilpig> Dagmar: be sure to mention that to him 11:45 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to 11:46 <@Dagmar> Let me show you something. 11:46 <@Dagmar> if ( (defined($opt_environment)) && (length($opt_environment) gt 0) ) { 11:46 <@Dagmar> Wrap your head around that baby. 11:47 <@Dagmar> gt? What? Really? 11:47 <@Dagmar> That's a string comparator. 11:47 <@wilpig> if it were php that would avoid it throwing a warning if you tried to check the length of $opt_environment and it wasn't set 11:47 <@Corydon76-home> Well, it'll work... 11:47 <@Dagmar> So we're looking to see if the variable is defined and that it's not "" apparently 11:48 <@Corydon76-home> Or starts with a space 11:48 <@Dagmar> It's coming from getopts so... unlikely 11:48 <@Corydon76-home> Or really, any character prior to chr(48) 11:48 <@Dagmar> ...but either way... 11:48 <@Dagmar> dafuq. Seriously. 11:49 <@Dagmar> There are simpler ways to do that 11:49 <@Dagmar> Whether or not it's defined, we can ignore because getopts 11:50 <@Corydon76-home> Looks like the writer translated from a strictly typed language 11:50 <@Corydon76-home> Or didn't understand that Perl translates as necessary 11:50 <@Dagmar> Yes, there's my favorite use strict; up near the top 11:51 <@Corydon76-home> One of our rules here is that anything in production needs 'use strict' 11:51 <@Corydon76-home> As well as handling errors that are only possible if the network experienced a catastrophic failure 11:51 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 11:51 <@Dagmar> One of my rules is that if you *need* use strict you aren't paying close enough attention 11:52 <@Corydon76-home> Eh, even seasoned programmers sometimes make typos 11:52 <@Dagmar> ...but what kills me is that line could be reduced to if ($opt_environment) { 11:52 <@Dagmar> Done in one 11:53 <@Corydon76-home> 9 levels deep would be what I would consider to be the more serious problem 11:53 <@Dagmar> Yes, there's that as well, but I suspect some of this is due to insane checks like what led him to explicitly checking whether or not opt_environment is defined 11:53 <@Corydon76-home> There _is_ code that may require it, but such code usually has some pretty serious computation 11:54 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: It literally doesn't call any other sub blocks is why 11:54 <@Dagmar> It's basically one program stuffed into a sub for parsing the command-line argumemnts 11:54 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 11:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixak] by ChanServ 11:54 <@shapr> y0 klixak, wassup? 11:54 <@klixak> hey 11:54 <@wilpig> don't do it. it's a trap! 11:54 <@Dagmar> Insufficient grasp of language, bad architecture... 11:55 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: that's rather funny, actually 11:55 <@Dagmar> FUck me 11:55 <@Dagmar> system "$sudo_bin $ssh_bin $_ $bip_bin pool $opt_pool\n"; 11:55 <@Dagmar> *facepalm* 11:55 <@Dagmar> OKay. I've had enough of gazinng into the abyss. TIme for a cigarette 11:55 * shapr lights Dagmar on FIRE 11:55 <@shapr> no wait 11:55 <@shapr> Dagmar doesn't need a lighter, he can use the heat of his rage to light up! 11:56 -!- pdiz [~diz@c-76-22-170-8.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:56 <@Corydon76-home> What's even funnier about that is that he could have used the list aspect of system and avoided any issues with passed-in arguments 11:56 <@Dagmar> Today it's more like the fog of my confusion could be used to blockade the Red Sea 11:56 -!- diz [~diz@c-76-22-170-8.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:56 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Oh yes 11:56 -!- diz is now known as Guest21721 11:56 <@Corydon76-home> I use the list aspect of system quite frequently when dealing with data like that. No escaping hell necessary. 12:02 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:04 -!- klixak is now known as klixa 12:07 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has joined #se2600 12:10 <@Dagmar> One should almost _always_ use the list form of that thing 12:11 <@Dagmar> I really can't think of any cases where you'd generally _want_ to use a string, unless it's firing off one fixed command. 12:19 -!- RangerZ|Laptop1 [~rangerz@129.59.105.87] has joined #se2600 12:22 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:25 < RangerZ|Laptop1> https://imgur.com/gallery/SOkod0a crazypants has a tumblr account 12:25 <@shapr> klixa: how's life treating you? 12:26 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 12:27 <@klixa> shapr: things have been ok...been working on a theme for textual tha past day (an irc client for macosx) http://cl.ly/image/2V3p0z0V2i3w , and my baby has her first cold, so been staying up later than usual 12:27 <@klixa> shapr: how are things with you? 12:27 <@shapr> klixa: this weekend I gave a talk on neopixels and went to an Ingress bbq in Hunstville, it was fun! 12:28 <@klixa> ingress? 12:28 <@klixa> is that real life? or a game? 12:29 <@shapr> klixa: it's a game 12:30 <@shapr> IN REAL LIFE 12:30 <@klixa> WHAT!?!?!?!?! 12:30 <@klixa> its a game...its real life...its a rela life game.... aACK 12:30 < frsilent> anyone following the international? 12:30 <@shapr> Oh, one of my friends is trying to get me onto his DragonCon panel talking about electronics in costuming, I might get to talk about NeoPixels even more! 12:30 <@shapr> He got me on his PlayOnCon costuming/electronics panel, but then I squished my car :-( 12:32 <@klixa> you squished your new car? 12:32 <@shapr> no, the old one 12:33 <@shapr> so I couldn't go to either LibertyCon or PlayOnCon! I was sad. 12:33 <@shapr> My new car is great! 12:35 < RangerZ|Laptop1> so someone at sun circa 2005 just trolled me... 12:35 < RangerZ|Laptop1> "An implementation-reserved node. This is the not the node you are looking for." 12:36 < RangerZ|Laptop1> "but i thought it was *sad face*" 12:36 < RangerZ|Laptop1> lol 12:37 <@klixa> im dl-ing ingress 12:38 < RangerZ|Laptop1> klixa: play as green, that way you aren't a "smurft" 12:38 < RangerZ|Laptop1> "smurf"* 12:39 < RangerZ|Laptop1> lol 12:39 <@shapr> klixa: yeah, play as green! 12:39 <@shapr> cause we're way more awesome 12:41 < RangerZ|Laptop1> the Enlightened are represented by green, BtW 12:48 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 12:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 12:53 -!- klixa-textual [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 12:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa-textual] by ChanServ 12:53 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: Kein Kybernetikverkehr] 12:53 -!- klixa-textual is now known as klixa 12:54 <@klixa> blue or green... soooo many choices Shadow404 12:54 <@klixa> err shapr 12:54 <@shapr> klixa: green! 12:54 <@shapr> because green is awesome 12:54 <@klixa> but i like the color blue better :/ 12:54 <@klixa> but i like what green is doing better 12:54 <@shapr> you have to choose for yourself... 12:55 <@klixa> i need to look into them both 12:55 <@shapr> I went with the green because I like what they're doing better 12:55 < RangerZ|Laptop1> same 12:55 < RangerZ|Laptop1> and klixa don't be racist 12:55 < RangerZ|Laptop1> don't pick your friends based on color alone 12:56 <@klixa> lol 12:56 < RangerZ|Laptop1> pick them on what we tell you is better 12:56 < RangerZ|Laptop1> DUH 12:56 <@shapr> ha 12:58 <@klixa> ok i picked green 12:58 <@shapr> yay! 12:59 <@shapr> your agent name is klixa, right? 12:59 <@klixa> yes 12:59 <@shapr> cool! 12:59 <@shapr> I wish I could send capsules across links to other people 12:59 <@shapr> that would be nifty 13:00 <@shapr> The local troll Ingress player tore down my links and fields from 7:30am to 10:30am 13:01 <@Dolemite> It really depends on the area you're in. In Nashville, the smurfs are the biggest asshats. In Knoxville, the frogs are the biggest asshats. 13:01 <@Dolemite> I myself am a smurf 13:01 <@shapr> Huntsville has a bunch of really cool players on both sides. 13:01 <@shapr> Here in the Muscle Shoals/Florence area everybody is cool except that one guy, mycroftx 13:06 <@klixa> if i have an image as a background in a css them, what variable tells it to start on the bottom? 13:06 * shapr doesn't know 13:06 <@klixa> yeah, i dont know either 13:07 <@klixa> i think it might be the x,y coordinates 13:07 <@klixa> but... i dont know how to use them exactly 13:07 <@shapr> try it? 13:07 <@shapr> If you have the webdev tools installed on chrome you can edit attributes and see the changes in realtime 13:07 <@klixa> wait... i think i figured it out 13:07 <@klixa> nope 13:07 <@klixa> hmmm 13:08 <@klixa> no, wait it did work 13:08 <@klixa> just didnt rfresh instantly 13:08 <@klixa> sooooo much better 13:08 <@klixa> i have an image as the bg for my irc them...but only text on the bottom of the pic is easily readable...so if i resize the window...i can or cnat read it 13:09 <@klixa> but now....no matter what size i make window i can read text 13:09 <@shapr> sounds like the way chrome themes work 13:10 <@klixa> they probably use css too? 13:11 <@wilpig> klixa: backgound-position 13:12 <@klixa> "background: #000 url(foodarker.jpg) repeat-x fixed 0 bottom;" <--- is what i did 13:13 <@klixa> 0 bottom is what i had to change 13:14 <@wilpig> that's a combined line. you can specify it as background-position: x x 13:17 -!- RangerZ|Laptop1 [~rangerz@129.59.105.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:18 -!- klixa-textual [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 13:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa-textual] by ChanServ 13:19 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19 -!- klixa-textual is now known as klixa 13:19 <@klixa> ack 13:21 <@shapr> WHAT? 13:24 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.105.87] has joined #se2600 13:28 <@klixa> the ordeal of disconnection and nick release 13:28 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:34 <@Dagmar> HAHAHA 13:34 <@Dagmar> From http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1849329/is-there-a-perl-shortcut-to-count-the-number-of-matches-in-a-string: 13:34 <@Dagmar> Someone suggested my $number = () = $string =~ /\./gi; 13:35 <@Dagmar> The next person deobfuscated it a bit to remove '= () =' and one of their commenters says: "+1 for the most straightforward way, goatse operator is scary." 13:35 <@Dagmar> It took me a moment to realize he was talking about =()= 13:36 <@shapr> ha 13:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 13:36 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 13:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats up vote worthy 13:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 13:39 <@Dagmar> I just came across some code my boss wrote that reeks of fresh newb, and I needed to find something explaining more succinctly how to use regexps to return a bool and why 13:39 <@Dagmar> ...then I foudn that page 13:40 <@Dagmar> Like, you can load the multi-line output of a command into an array dn then foreach your way down it, with flag variables and all the trimmings, or you can just load the entire damn thing into a variable and simply return the value of one regexp operation 13:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh thats nothing... I was helping a "grad student" (I don't expect him to make it all the way to PhD... he just has no curiosity on his own)... who didn't know what "import" in java did 13:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> he just used the Eclipse "fix imports" tool, and was done with it 13:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> had NO idea what so ever... for what they did... thought something silly like... importing who 'can' call my code..or something... to be be honest... I kinda stopped listening at that point... b/c the blood to my ears drained for self-preservation 13:52 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 13:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 13:56 < firemouth> any exchange admins lurking in here? :) 13:59 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: I dunno; I think curiosity is why a lot of successful people don't stick around to even get undergraduate degrees 14:08 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.propublica.org/article/meet-the-online-tracking-device-that-is-virtually-impossible-to-block 14:19 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 14:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 14:24 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 14:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 14:29 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 14:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 15:18 <@shapr> firemouth: ew? 15:37 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.105.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:41 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.105.87] has joined #se2600 15:54 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.105.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:59 <@klixa> ok, https://github.com/klixa/cyberfaerie 15:59 <@klixa> this is what i spent the past 2 days doing 15:59 <@klixa> now onto something new 16:05 <@klixa> shapr: what are the glowy putple spot-dots in ingress? 16:11 <@shapr> ?? 16:12 <@shapr> klixa: Have you done the tutorial lessons that come with the app? 16:12 <@shapr> klixa: do the training! 16:12 <@shapr> klixa: also: http://decodeingress.me/ingress-manual/ 16:16 <@klixa> ok 16:18 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:28 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 16:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 17:13 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 17:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 17:39 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:09 < aestetix_> vagina 18:11 -!- vaneck [~vaneck@section9.vaneckzero.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:18 -!- vaneck [~vaneck@section9.vaneckzero.com] has joined #se2600 18:59 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: kein] 19:33 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 19:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 19:37 <@Dagmar> Man... Some girl had a baby arctic fox at Bongo. Five weeks old. 19:38 <@Dagmar> So very cute but my first thought was "What the fuck is wrong with this puppy" 19:38 <@Dagmar> Long like a ferret 19:38 <@Dagmar> *really* long tail 19:38 <@Shadow404> thats just cruel 19:38 <@Shadow404> a wild animal should be kept wild 19:39 <@Shadow404> chances are the owner will not be able to control it once it gets older and isnt so cute anymore by its actions/behavior alone 19:43 <@Shadow404> damn, the more i think about it, i wanna smack that bitch 19:43 <@Dagmar> Dude, it's a fox 19:43 <@Dagmar> They actually domesticate pretty well 19:43 <@Shadow404> yeah, a wild animal 19:43 <@Dagmar> It's _wolf_ breeds that are problematic 19:43 <@Shadow404> .... 19:44 <@Dagmar> Racoons and foxes get along fine with humans 19:44 <@Dagmar> Hell, racoons have been known to purr like cats 19:44 <@Shadow404> i still define some house cats as wild, but thats a nuturing issue with the owner 19:44 <@Dagmar> Wolves are problematic because their adrenal glands make them fairly damn aggressive when they grow up 19:44 <@Shadow404> not related 19:45 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: yeah, no kidding, you have to know what your doing around wolves 19:45 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: actually, from someone who's had a fox, they're fine, if you have a large enough outdoor area for them to play. They will otherwise dig up the carpeting and scratch up the hardwood floors in your house 19:45 <@Shadow404> what Corydon76-home just said is my issue 19:45 <@Corydon76-home> Foxes are hole diggers 19:45 <@Shadow404> like people owning wild breeds that have apartments 19:47 <@Dagmar> http://dagmar.isamotherfucking.ninja/~dagmar/babyfox.jpg http://dagmar.isamotherfucking.ninja/~dagmar/babyfox1.jpg 19:49 <@Corydon76-home> I don't deny that foxes, like alligators or pretty much any wild animal, are cute when they're young. It's when they grow up and get a whole lot bigger that they present a problem 19:49 <@Dagmar> I've seen regular foxes full-sized as a pet before 19:50 <@Dagmar> On a farmhold mind you but still very much a domesticated animal 19:50 <@Corydon76-home> The fox had lots of space to play, correct? 19:50 <@Dagmar> Banjo country south of Lebanon, so yes 19:51 <@Dagmar> It did prefer to sleep indoors and had no problems walking right up to me 19:51 <@Corydon76-home> That's the key. You can only get so much of the wild out of the animal 19:51 <@Dagmar> I was like 'Uhhh.. Jason... There's wildlife here man." 19:51 <@Shadow404> was this a fenced outdoors or free reign? 19:52 <@Dagmar> Thing came right up to me like it was nothing 19:52 <@Corydon76-home> Dude, I had a baby squirrel climb up my jeans leg while I was at Vanderbilt. It was still a wild squirrel. 19:52 <@Shadow404> out of curiosity 19:52 <@Dagmar> Well, it also had a seat right there on the porch and waited for Jason to come out 19:52 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52 <@Dagmar> Like... "Hmm... you're new. *sniff sniff*. *plops down*" 19:52 <@Corydon76-home> If you feed any animal on a regular basis, it will hang around and wait for more. 19:53 <@Dagmar> This guys fox pretty much thought it was a cat 19:53 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 19:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 19:53 <@Dagmar> Raised with cats even 19:53 <@Shadow404> kinda how we began domesticating wolves 19:53 <@Corydon76-home> My macaw parrot thinks it's a cat, too 19:53 <@Shadow404> fed them, they stayed, fed them more, kept them war 19:53 <@Shadow404> *warm 19:53 <@Shadow404> they adapted 19:54 <@Dagmar> Well, with that it's a matter of we kept the less bitey ones until we got the ones with the weakest adrenaline responses 19:54 <@Dagmar> Some russians replicated that a few years ago in less than ten generations 19:54 <@Shadow404> yeah, selective breeding 19:54 <@Corydon76-home> It's rather odd, to me, that we have a bird that prefers to walk across the carpet 19:54 <@Shadow404> that was featured on cosmos 19:54 <@Shadow404> kinda cool 19:54 <@Shadow404> he explained it really well 19:54 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Birds are generally doin' their own damn thing no matter how crazy it looks 19:55 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, just like cats. 19:55 <@Dagmar> I've seen cats be self-concious about it. 19:55 <@Dagmar> I had a budgie once that liked to hang upside down sometimes, and it watched game shows 19:55 <@Corydon76-home> And the Siberian Husky is a big pussy, if you'll forgive the phrase 19:55 <@Dagmar> It looooved Wheel of Fortune 19:56 <@Dagmar> It would go *apeshit* when people won 19:56 <@Corydon76-home> The dog is scared of rabbits and birds alike. 19:56 <@Dagmar> Also you did not turn off the TV until the program was over or the parakeet would have "words" for you about it 19:57 <@Shadow404> my husky (not siberian) hates any explosions, mostly fireworks 19:57 <@Dagmar> Mom didn't believe the thing was actually watching TV until I did that to show her 19:57 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, he hates those, too 19:57 <@Shadow404> hides at my feet usually and cries 19:57 <@Corydon76-home> Pretty much any animal hates fireworks 19:57 <@Shadow404> my beagle, is like whatever 19:58 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:58 <@Shadow404> she'd be a good hunting dog 19:58 <@Shadow404> husky would be until the very first rifle shot 20:00 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 20:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 20:00 <@Shadow404> chrome and google scare me sometimes, i set a reminder and my phone and a monitor popup alerted the same exact second 20:05 <@Dagmar> I'm using Google Voice but they've at least clamped down a bit on that 20:05 <@Dagmar> If my PC thinks it has a headset nearby, my damn browser rings 20:05 <@Dagmar> The phone doesn't ring until I fail to answer the browser 20:06 <@Shadow404> heh, that can be annoying 20:06 <@Shadow404> what did they clamp down on? 20:11 < aestetix_> speaking of clamps, Shadow404 how is life? 20:11 <@Shadow404> i dont see how that applies to me looking for a new job, but ok 20:11 < aestetix_> looking for a new job? 20:12 <@Shadow404> really tired of commuting every day for what i could EASILY do from home 20:12 <@Dagmar> Originaly "my everything" rang at once 20:12 <@Dagmar> Tablet, phone, browser, and goddamn television 20:12 <@Shadow404> not leaving this one till i find a new one, but im getting pretty tired of 40min in the morning, hour coming home 20:12 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: yeah, i noticed that too 20:13 <@Shadow404> i usually use google voice for outbound though 20:35 <@Dagmar> Well, I let it do the "integration" thing since I'm on Sprint and it works okay 20:35 <@Dagmar> ...although the voice transcription is like something from a fucking fun house. 20:35 <@Dagmar> It is *so* hilariously bad 20:36 <@Dagmar> If you look at the transcription through the website, anything in grey basically means 'the engine just picked some random fucking words here because your friends all mumble." 20:38 <@Dagmar> Sample: "You never kissed and they years, cos he said he couldn't believe it was saying the word out a little girls. Well, we'll see if you think so. She is so cute. And she's so sweet. If you were still able to get a chance to go to sleep. Stay updated look around. So far the dogs or scare her resume. She is the about that I was I going to be real careful actor whatever goes with it. But. It looks like a go to bed." 20:38 <@Dagmar> You will swear you have unmedicated schizophrenics sending you SMS 20:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: you don't? 20:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> we all figured crazy pants was messaging you at least twice an hour 21:10 <@Dagmar> I have no explanation for this http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Does-Mayonnaise-Last-as-a-Thermal-Compound/1793 21:11 <@Dagmar> That's not linkbait. 21:11 <@Dagmar> If you scream a little after reading that, it's okay 21:15 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: if thats true... might mean that fat based thermal compounds might be possible 21:30 <@Dagmar> No it still means they're stupid 21:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> would be interesting to do some experiments with micro-blobs of fat-like substance, but under 'real' scientific situation 21:32 <@Dagmar> Except organic compounds break down under heat like that, afaik 21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, thats why I was thinking the new created-organic-like creations 21:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Y-maELbww 21:44 <@Dagmar> heheh 21:52 < aestetix_> man 21:52 < aestetix_> HOPE made CNN 21:52 < aestetix_> that is fucking awesome 21:55 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 21:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 22:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/19/technology/security/ellsberg-hackers/index.html 22:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> link btw 22:04 <@Dagmar> Most of us would already do that 22:04 <@Dagmar> ...which is why we get watched 22:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah 22:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://xkcd.com/525/ this shit isn't 'funny' to us... its reality, lol 22:06 <@Dagmar> THe problem it comes down to is that if you make a tool to let someone who doesn't know what they're doing broadcast anonymously, someone's going to built a tool that defeats it 22:07 <@Dagmar> So basically, you have to be ingeneous and keep changing how you do it 22:09 <@Dagmar> s/built/build/ 22:10 <@Dagmar> So, a leaker would need to somehow find a trustworthy hacker who's willing to take on a bit of risk 22:11 <@Dagmar> Particularly one who isn't going to punk out and bail 22:11 <@Dagmar> Not so easy to find on the Snowden level of things 22:12 <@Dagmar> This is why the metadata thing is a _serious_ fucking problem 22:13 <@Dagmar> ...because the spooks can absolutely narrow the list of people to lean on from the general population of adults in the US to about 20,000 people real fucking fast, and then go from there 22:14 <@Dagmar> You can't get the covert channel established without a covert channel pre-established, because the element of suprise can be retroactively redacted by Orwellian fucking monitoring systems 22:14 <@Dagmar> ...and then they send out men in shiny chrome hays to fuck people up 22:14 <@Dagmar> s/hays/hats/ 22:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep 22:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently arron schwartz last project was a digital dead-drop that journalists would keep up and running 22:26 <@Dagmar> Suuure he killed himself. 22:26 <@Dagmar> ...and it's a major fucking issue that one can't argue that that is outside the realm of possibility 22:27 <@Dagmar> In other news http://www.today.com/parents/test-scores-will-not-tell-you-everything-read-viral-letter-1D79933379 22:27 <@Dagmar> Now tell me, if you got that letter, would you or would you not expect that the next page is informing you that your child is retarded? 22:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> wtf 22:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> god I need to enter decision making for education 22:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> and slap people 23:04 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 23:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 23:06 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 23:33 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 23:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixak] by ChanServ 23:33 <@Dagmar> http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/793/ <-- this new dude is some kind of Anti-Dick, I swear it 23:33 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 23:33 <@Dagmar> He thinks Kale is _masculine_ and has silly named shit around 23:33 <@Dagmar> The Fork Of Truth. The Hedgehog of Healing 23:46 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: kein] 23:52 <@wilpig> Dagmar: i've tried reading htat one a few times and just not grabbing me 23:53 <@wilpig> check this out though. looks pretty bad ass. http://trentonprfm.com/ 23:53 <@Dagmar> You probably have to have played lots more high-fantasy RPGs 23:53 * wilpig kicks Bahhumbug where's your bot? 23:53 <@Dagmar> Ooooh high quality Jersey freaks 23:53 <@Dagmar> That looks fun 23:54 <@wilpig> heard about it tonight at the gypsy punk rock show. heh --- Log closed Tue Jul 22 00:00:57 2014