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02:01 <@Dagmar> http://www.salon.com/2014/07/14/michelle_rhees_minions_meet_their_mat
02:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2014 - Salon.com (at www.salon.com)
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07:23 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:25 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: heard that too, doubt my gf would agree though
07:25 <@Shadow404> whats up Dolemite
07:33 <@Dolemite> I shed a tear last night.  My cider keg is empty.
07:33 <@Dolemite> I just started a new batch the night before, so it's a month out.
07:34 <@Dolemite> My beer keg isn't far from empty - will need to brew in 2 weeks when the family goes to visit grandma for a week and I have the house to myself.
07:36 <@Shadow404> heh
07:36 <@Shadow404> i need some cider myself
07:37 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: pm :)
07:41 <@Dolemite> If that is your current view then you have no business being on IRC rigth now
07:55 <@wilpig> Dolemite: did you see that utopia started back last night?
07:56 < aestetix_> man I just had the strangest dream
07:56 <@wilpig> then you woke up with a toothbrush in your ass?
07:56 < aestetix_> I found a bowling alley that contracted an STD
07:57 < aestetix_> lol
07:58 <@Bahhumbug> How does a building contract an STD?
07:58 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: it wasn't the building so much as the bowling alley device itself
07:58 < aestetix_> It kept spitting back deformed balls
07:58 < aestetix_> I got this ball back and it had funny things all over it. Then an attendant came up, took me to a back room and showed me all these balls with strange growths on them
07:59 <@wilpig> aestetix_ has testicular cancer and his body is just trying to find an image he'd understand to trigger him into getting it checked
07:59 < aestetix_> lol
08:04 <@Dolemite> wilpig: I haven't watched Utopia, so no, didn't pay attention
08:05 <@Dolemite> So who here has a Roku3?  I know that oddball has a Roku2, but I have some questions specific to the Roku3.
08:05 <@wilpig> My parents do btu that doesn't help you much
08:06 <@Dolemite> Well it says you can stream Netflix/Amazon from the app...  but can you still use the remote to control it if you don't want to use a tablet/phone?
08:07 <@Dolemite> The reason why Pamela doesn't want to go with a Chromecast is the she doesn't want to have to pull up an app to be the remote control.
08:07 <@wilpig> last I checked my parents use the remote and have never installed an app
08:08 <@Dolemite> ok, cool
08:08 <@Dolemite> that seemed the logical answer, but the wording on Roku's website was a bit unclear
08:08 <@wilpig> ROFL  http://explosm.net/comics/3620/
08:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #3620 - Explosm.net (at explosm.net)
08:11 <@Dolemite> So now to just decide whether or not the Roku 3 is worth the extra $40
08:11 <@Dolemite> over the Roku 2
08:12 <@Dolemite> and of course, now there's the Amazon Fire TV for the same price as the Roku 3
08:17 <@wilpig> for me the 3 wasn't worth it.  but if you want a headphone jack on the remote then yes
08:18 <@Dolemite> The 2 has a headphone jack on the remote - and no, I see no value in that
08:28 <@wilpig> weird al's newest video made me want to see him live again.  he needs to tour
08:29 <@Bahhumbug> Isn't he like 100 years old now?
08:30 <@wilpig> you'd never know from watching him
08:30 <@wilpig> http://www.nerdist.com/vepisode/weird-al-yankovic-gets-tacky-with-pharrells-happy/
08:31 <@Bahhumbug> I was close.  54.
08:31 <@Bahhumbug> That fucker is closer to my age than I thought :/
08:38 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: that's because you're old
08:39  * aestetix_ gives Bahhumbug some vick's nose drops
08:42  * Bahhumbug gives aestetix_ a weaponized version of smallpox
09:00 <@rattle> Weird Al is a national treasure.
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09:35 <@oddball> wilpig: He's been touring.
09:36 <@oddball> I saw him in concert last year.
09:38 <@wilpig> that was the end of his tour
09:38 <@wilpig> I was there, remember
09:49 <@oddball> ooooooo yeah... You called me up because you thought you might have needed to sell your ticket.
09:49 <@Dagmar> Wooow http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/15/tech-blogger-tries-to-cancel-comcast-service-hilarity-ensues/
09:49 <@oddball> I blame it being early and me not being entirely awake.
09:50 <@wilpig> Dagmar: we discussed that yesterday
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10:00 <@Dagmar> People are _far_ too civil on the phone
10:00 <@Dagmar> "Well, the real reason I'm cancelling is because you just don't have a robust enough offering in the genre of hardcore anal pornography"
10:00 <@opticron> lol
10:01 <@Dagmar> ...and then you go into more detail.
10:01 <@Dagmar> Make their nightmares come to life.
10:01 <@opticron> give them new nightmares
10:01 <@Dagmar> Precisely
10:02 <@opticron> not enough fingernail removal via pliers fettish
10:02 <@wilpig> the truth is the dude is just trying to be as difficult as possible because they know a percentage of people will just get frustrated and keep the service rather than deal with the hassle
10:03 <@Dagmar> This is why we need to make them aware of the other facet of human existence.
10:04 <@Dagmar> ...that a statistically significant number of people out there are willing and able to cause employees to run screaming from the building
10:04 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... I don't understand this either.
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10:05 <@oddball> A simple "ok, I simply don't have to give you fuckers anymore money," should be sufficient.
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10:06 < aestetix_> this notion of bug bounties is starting to piss me off
10:07 < aestetix_> 1. not everyone wants money for their findings 2. if a place doesn't have a bug bounty program set up, sending them random bugs and then demanding they fix it is annoying
10:07 < aestetix_> yes, security issues are important. however, the feature the company is working on to secure a client that will double their revenue might take priority
10:09 <@oddball> Just remember, that's how we got the wonderfully secure system that is Windows.  Sometimes you have to pay attention to those bug reports.
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10:10 < aestetix_> I'm pretty sure Microsoft has more resources than a little startup
10:11 <@oddball> Yes, but what if one of those bug reports is "you're sending your passwords over the network in plain text, you twits!"
10:11 < aestetix_> well sure
10:11 < aestetix_> I mean if the bug is easy to fix and important like that
10:12 < aestetix_> As opposed to something that will take a week of re-engineering to fix
10:12 < aestetix_> http://www.dailydot.com/geek/dashcon-ball-pit-meme/
10:12 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: I'm not sure how you think bug bounties work
10:13 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: they vary from company to company
10:13 < aestetix_> Also I am now distracted by the ball pit
10:13 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, did you get a free hour in the ball pit?
10:13 < aestetix_> I only got five minutes. I'm feeling like I got screwed
10:14 < aestetix_> https://twitter.com/dashconchicago/status/487783704979206145
10:14 <@oddball> Right.  You should see what folks (especially your customers) are bitching about, and prioritize when what should be worked on.  I agree with you that you should continue to finish the thing that will get a customer that will double your income, assuming the bug isn't "oh shit, it's broken," but those bug reports should be looked at at some point.
10:14 < aestetix_> oddball: not arguing that
10:14 < aestetix_> oddball: bugs should absolutely be added to the priority list
10:15 <@oddball> :)
10:15 < aestetix_> the debate is a matter of where in the list
10:15 <@oddball> Ah, you've got some folks that are saying "you should fix this now, now, now" when it's not really a package breaking bug.  Gotcha.
10:15 < aestetix_> and apparently if your conference organizer posts a photo of herself crying, the internet will go "oh its ok try better next time"
10:15 < aestetix_> oddball: yes
10:15 < aestetix_> oddball: and emailing every fucking day
10:15 <@Corydon76-home> Speaking for an open source project, the bug bounty was open to anybody who could fix the problem, whether it went into the final code product or not
10:16 <@oddball> aestetix_: Did the conchair of Dashcon cry?
10:16 < aestetix_> oddball: yeah I hope the hotel sees that, maybe they'll decide to forgive the $17,000 debt
10:16 < aestetix_> because that's how life works
10:17 <@oddball> I'm curious how the con racked up a $17k bill on top of what they could already cover.  Especially since there's been reports that the hotel has said "they owe us what now?"
10:17 < aestetix_> I do think it's kind of funny how a conference that was started because of internet memes is surprised when their fuckups create new internet memes
10:18 <@oddball> heh
10:18 < aestetix_> oddball: who knows. room service ordered and charged to the conference?
10:18 < aestetix_> http://www.vice.com/read/you-know-that-tumblr-convention-that-went-to-shit-it-wasnt-that-bad-715?utm_source=vicetumblrus
10:18 < aestetix_> wow, vice is covering it now
10:20 <@oddball> $17k is a *lot* of room service.
10:21 < aestetix_> well
10:21 < aestetix_> hmm
10:21 < aestetix_> I dunno. A bunch of teenagers. Damage maybe?
10:23 < aestetix_> oh sweet someone made a composite video of all the youtube clips so I don't have to track them all down
10:23 <@oddball> Other things don't add up as well.  They claim that the Welcome to Nightvale folks didn't show because the con didn't come up with the room/flight/performance money, and the con is blaming that on the $17k the hotel "randomly hit us with."  The flight should have already been paid for, performance fee should already be secured, and the room should have been part of the hotel contract.
10:24 < aestetix_> oddball: it's worth noting I haven't heard anything from the hotel
10:26 <@oddball> aestetix_: Granted, this is "some folks on the internet," but it's mentioned in this article that the hotel has denied the charge: http://thegeekiary.com/dashcon-disaster-welcome-to-night-vale-walks-out-more/14730
10:26 < aestetix_> oddball: this event has a lot of symtoms of someone who has been to a few conferences and decided they wanted to throw one like it, but didn't actually know how to
10:27 <@oddball> And from the comments, it sounds like the WTN folks might have actually flown down on their own dime and were at the hotel, and then demanded the cash before going to their first panel.
10:27 <@Dagmar> The hotel isn't saying much because they have the good sense to lawyer up and only deal in provable facts
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10:28 <@oddball> Which is not the way to handle that sort of thing.  If you're going someplace, either demand for the money before you show up, or do your thing and pray you get paid afterwards.
10:28 <@oddball> Dagmar: yeah
10:28 <@shapr> DANGIT
10:28 < aestetix_> Dagmar: yep
10:28 <@Dagmar> Good lord look at that assemblage of human hideousness
10:28 < aestetix_> I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume Dashcon had no event insurance
10:29 <@Dagmar> It's like a nightmare of one-offs http://thegeekiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/10514163_10153083113518569_5085828363159786149_o.jpg
10:29 <@oddball> aestetix_: Yeah... pretty much.  Apparently they were expecting 3-7k people... which isn't very realistic for a first time con.
10:29 < aestetix_> oddball: it's realistic if your first time con is run by people who have run cons before
10:29 <@oddball> The "1,000 or less" is actually a pretty good showing for a first year.
10:29 <@Dagmar> "Bring me your fat, your ugly, your ginger-haired self-rightous twats, yearning to be respected..."
10:29 < aestetix_> oddball: but yeah
10:30 < aestetix_> I wonder where that estimation came from
10:30 < aestetix_> Because if you make estimations based on anything but presales, you're an idiot
10:30 <@Dagmar> Why are these people angry with the world?  Looks like a lack of conditioner, for the most part
10:30 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: They carefully measured the evho
10:30 <@Dagmar> er echo
10:30 < aestetix_> evho?
10:30 < aestetix_> lol
10:31 <@oddball> aestetix_: I guess it depends on where you are, target audience, etc.  Around here, most scifi cons (which is really what this was) stablize around 3-400 people.  The "big" cons that I can think of beyond Dragon are around 1000.
10:31 < aestetix_> oddball: yep
10:31 <@Dagmar> Wow fuck these people
10:31 <@Dagmar> THey can't even report using straight languahe
10:31 < aestetix_> There are a bunch of factors
10:31 <@Dagmar> er language
10:31  * Dickie giggles
10:31 <@Dagmar> "and projected attendance ended up being several thousand people higher than the actual numbers (1,000 or less actual vs. 3,000-7,000 projected)."
10:31 <@Dagmar> NO.
10:31 <@oddball> I know cons in the NYC area, etc get larger draws, but there's also a significantly larger population to draw from.
10:32 < aestetix_> oddball: ticket price also plays a role
10:32 <@Dagmar> This should read "and attendance ended up being several thousand people below projections."
10:32 <@Dagmar> Fucking polyanna bullshit
10:32 < aestetix_> I mean I saw some crazy shit in my rave days
10:32 < aestetix_> But this takes the cake
10:32 <@Dagmar> wilpig: I know you love your job, but we're going to have to start doing something to cull the number of users there very soon if they don't straighten up
10:33 <@oddball> Oh, I've known kids that were running small cons that wanted to turn their convention into Dragoncon.  They were asking for advice, and I told them "no, you fucking don't want that."
10:33 < aestetix_> oddball: yep
10:34 < aestetix_> oddball: I've seen stupid shit. I saw a kid once take out a bank loan to fund a rave that lost a lot of money.
10:34 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Sounds like BronyCon
10:34 < aestetix_> honestly the smaller cons are better, IMHO
10:34 <@Dagmar> Good god
10:35 <@Dagmar> This asshole simply refuses to say anything negative about a massive clusterfuck
10:35 <@Dagmar> "[...] but all it takes is a few bad apples to ruin things for the good ones. It would be great if this wasn.t one of those .bad apple. cases, but at this point I think only a bit of time . and of course, more information . will tell."
10:35 < aestetix_> uhhh
10:35 <@oddball> Dagmar: The only bronycon that I've heard having issues was the local one (forget the name) that had the hotel decide to randomly break their contract a week or two out.
10:35 <@Dagmar> How about we simply say "These guys fucked up, apparently due to inexperience"
10:35 < aestetix_> well when the few bad apples are organizing the event...
10:35 < aestetix_> Dagmar: due to hubris too
10:36 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yes, they wound up rehoming at the BLack Raven Tavern or something
10:36 < aestetix_> Dagmar: the first thing a new organizer should do is contact someone who's experienced and ask for advice
10:36 <@Dagmar> The bar that screens all the slasher flicks and generally has scary looking people at it
10:36 <@Dagmar> The bar was *not* prepared.
10:36 <@Dagmar> They expected kids.
10:36 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: yes
10:36 <@oddball> Hell, a lot of conventions have panels specifically aimed for folks that want to know how.
10:36 < aestetix_> really before anything else
10:36 <@Dagmar> ...and next they should break out their jodphurs and have them dry cleaned
10:36 <@oddball> Dagmar: heh
10:37 <@Dagmar> ...because this "everyone is special and nothing is bad" mentality is a recipe for EPIC FAIL
10:37 < aestetix_> btw
10:37 <@Dagmar> The echo-chamber created mindset I am quite sure was a contributing factor
10:37 < aestetix_> how the fuck did they raise $17,000 in an hour
10:37 < aestetix_> are those kids all from rich families?
10:37 <@oddball> aestetix_: From the info on their website, I've tried to figure out if these folks were actually aware of scifi cons, or just thought that this was a novel idea.
10:38 <@Dagmar> It's easy.  They didn't.
10:38 <@Dagmar> This "last minute" demand was no such thing
10:38 < aestetix_> so they lied?
10:38 <@Dagmar> Probably
10:38 <@Dagmar> ...and they "raised" this money by simply saying they did
10:38 <@oddball> aestetix_: If they actually had close to a thousand people, my guess is that they passed a hat around.
10:38 < aestetix_> wow
10:38 < aestetix_> so that's fraud
10:38 <@Dagmar> ...since there was no one to pay the nonexistent money to
10:39 <@Dagmar> We shall see, but someone has to be defrauded before charges would be filed
10:39 <@oddball> Yeah... I have a real hard time believing that the hotel, on the friday of the con, said "oh, we need another $17 grand."
10:39 <@Dagmar> ...but my thinking is that there was no last-minute thing, or that someone was a jacktard and didn't give the money that they were supposed to up front for the use of the facilities, and then they finally took their heads out of their asses and wrote a check
10:39 <@Dagmar> ...or they put the attendance fees to actual user
10:39 <@oddball> Especially since most event contracts have the money due after the event, not before.
10:39 <@Dagmar> er use
10:40 < aestetix_> wow that video on the vice page
10:40 <@oddball> video?
10:40 <@Dagmar> I don't believe for a second that the hotel asked them for that much money at the last minute
10:40 < aestetix_> http://www.vice.com/read/you-know-that-tumblr-convention-that-went-to-shit-it-wasnt-that-bad-715?utm_source=vicetumblrus
10:40 < aestetix_> scroll down and watch the video
10:40 < aestetix_> around 6 minutes in it's amazing
10:40 < aestetix_> that's the video showing them asking for money
10:40 <@oddball> ah, ok
10:42 <@Dagmar> The vice textual article is disturbing enough
10:42 < aestetix_> They frame it as if its them against "the system"
10:42 < aestetix_> which is only true if "the system" is their stupidity
10:43 <@Dagmar> If someone wanted to really infuriate them, they'd start doing statistics on HWP attendance
10:44 < aestetix_> oh god
10:45 < aestetix_> there is a video of them all doing that hunger games salute thing
10:45 <@Dagmar> Because they're all full of anger and don't place a high priority on being angry about THE RIGHT THINGS
10:46 <@Dagmar> Someone should disinspiration that with the caption "This is why you are all twats."
10:46 < aestetix_> btw
10:46 < aestetix_> what is Night Vale?
10:47 <@Dagmar> o.O
10:47 <@oddball> Oh, and this was in Chicago?  Fuck... there are actual scifi cons that know what they're doing in that area.  Hell, I think they hosted WorldCon a couple years back.
10:47 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I don't follow tv or scifi at all
10:47 <@Dagmar> Okay, so imagine that somehow, the events that HP Lovecraft outlined in Innsmouth could somehow continue to happen indefinitely because the population somehow remained stable as opposed to rapidly dwindled to zero
10:47 < aestetix_> Like at Dragoncon, except for the start trek stuff, I didn't know what any of it was
10:48 <@Dagmar> Night Vale is that kind of town
10:48 < aestetix_> ok
10:48 <@Dagmar> Welcome to Night Value is a community radio station for the town
10:48 <@oddball> aestetix_: a podcast radio drama.  It's quite good even though the folks that run it are apparently pretentious pricks that refuse to admit that Lovecraft has seriously influenced them.
10:48 <@Dagmar> Think of it as a land-locked Innsmouth, that survived to continue on into the modern day
10:49 < aestetix_> It still sounds fairly... niche.
10:49 <@oddball> Dagmar: Did you see that they did an interview where they claimed that Lovecraft wasn't an influence?
10:49 < aestetix_> A random person on the street will know what Star Trek is.
10:49 < aestetix_> I don't know if that's true of Night Vale
10:49 <@Dagmar> ...and since the narrator happens to be gay and moons over a hairdresser every so often, of *course* the Tumblr whores are super excited about it
10:49 <@Dagmar> oddball: Nope
10:49 < aestetix_> Oh ok so it has a huge following on Tumblr?
10:50 <@Dagmar> Nevermind the detail about the gayness is just a minor fucking footnode
10:50 <@Dagmar> er footnote
10:50 <@Dagmar> For some of them, this bit of trivia makes the entire thing into a homosexual love story
10:51 < aestetix_> Night Vale turns into a homosexual love story?
10:51 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... apparently they refuse to admit that Lovecraft is an influence and call him a "racist hack."  In fairness, he was racist.
10:51 <@Dagmar> RIght so they're creative but they're not bright
10:51 <@Dagmar> MUCH of the world was racist then
10:52 <@Dagmar> Like, people were more likely to be racists than not
10:52 <@Dagmar> All racists, everywhere.
10:52 <@Dagmar> ...but people want to polyanna that shit
10:52 <@oddball> Yeah
10:53 < aestetix_> oh man
10:53 < aestetix_> "But there was another comment, a tweet that I made, about how I overheard someone wanting to talk to the girl at the front desk about how they didn’t have bathrooms for every gender. "
10:53 <@opticron> lol
10:53 <@Dagmar> Rememebr that Lovecraft was born in 1890, long before women were even allowed to vote
10:53 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Fuuuuck those people
10:53 <@Dagmar> They deserve ridicule
10:54 <@oddball> Yes.  Yes they do.
10:54 <@Dagmar> Either way, WTNV are a bunch of artists, not historians
10:55 <@Dagmar> I don't expect them to understand history terribly well, and don't care if they don't know it very well as long as they're not trying to make some demented agenda out of spreading their dimwittery
10:55 <@Dagmar> ...like the pluripotent gender people.
10:57 <@Dagmar> Hm... looks like the reporter from Vice had a runin with those idiots too
10:59 <@oddball> So... it looks like they didn't pay for any of their guests' expenses or performance fees... and needed an extra $17k for the hotel.  I wonder where the membership fees went?
11:00 <@Dagmar> THis is a good question which will hopefulyl get answered because no answer there WILL send someone to jail
11:01 <@Dolemite> You must be talking about dashcon
11:02 <@Dagmar> I suspect it's sitting in a box somewhere in the possession of someone who doesn't realize that it needs to be counted and as quickly as possible sent to the people they owe money to
11:02 <@oddball> I'm not familiar with con space costs in Chicago, but I'm thinking $17k can't be significantly less than the total bill.
11:02 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yeah to me it sounds like they were under the impression they could just delay paying the hotel until after they'd collected all the attendance fees
11:03 <@Dagmar> ...which is a big lol
11:03 <@oddball> Which means they were dumbasses and didn't read the contract they signed.
11:03 <@Dagmar> Or they echo chambered it
11:04 <@Dagmar> It's rather likely they talked themselves into thinking that it doesn't really matter because everyone is special
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11:04 <@Dagmar> blah blah they'll get their money because everything will work out in the end
11:04 <@oddball> Like I said earlier, paying after the function is not unusual.  It also makes it easier for the hotel to charge damge fees if there are any.
11:04 <@oddball> yeah
11:04 <@Dagmar> While it may or may not be true it's not professional to ignore deliberables in the signed contract
11:05 <@Dagmar> Jodphurs.  Essential to getting shit done.
11:05 <@oddball> Yeah... I meant that paying after is a fairly common contractual agreement.
11:06 <@oddball> If the contract say you fork the money up front, you pay the money up front.
11:06 <@Dagmar> I note that the "some people" who questioned it have been apparently "encouraged" to remove their posts questioning it
11:07 <@oddball> best quote so far over this: With all the cancelled acts they can't even hand out the participation trophies.
11:07 <@Dagmar> heh
11:08 <@Dagmar> goddamn it
11:08 <@Dagmar> stupid VIP migrations
11:08 <@oddball> also: "they could ask 4chan for help"
11:08 <@Dagmar> lol
11:08 <@Dagmar> All things considered, that *might* actually be a viable option
11:09 <@Dagmar> ONe could probably trick the channers into running shit right just to shame the Tumblrites
11:09 <@Dagmar> 4chan would maintain it's self-declared superiority, DashCon would be able to go on pretending
11:11 <@wilpig> Dagmar: that's a horrible idea.  can you imagine the riot that would possibly break out from that many 4 chan assholes in one place?
11:12 <@wilpig> yes they'd get a venue, yes it'd be organized initially, it would break down, it would turn into a mob situation in the blink of an eye
11:12 <@Dagmar> That depends entirely on whether or not people could convince them the win is actually doing things properly where the TUmblr natives failed
11:14 <@oddball> Ah... I saw a comment that makes some sense that I didn't think about.  They were expecting 5-7k attendees and only got myab a thousand, right?  How much you want to bet that they got a contract that said "we sell x rooms, and get the space for free" and fell far short of that mark?
11:15 <@oddball> And it never occured to them that failure meant a $17grand bill.
11:15 <@Dagmar> That could easily be
11:15 <@Dagmar> ...especially considering the average age of attendance doesn't tend to be the kind that gets hotel rooms
11:15 <@oddball> This is what the "failure is not an option" mindset gets you.
11:16 <@Dagmar> "failure is what happens to other people" is more like it
11:16 <@oddball> Dagmar: Or if they do, they pile 8 people in one room.
11:16 <@Dagmar> If they had the "failure is not an option" mindset they'd have had that money ready
11:17 < RangerZ> and like other new cons... would have taken out a loan to be repaid afterwards
11:17 < RangerZ> b/c thats the almost the only way you'll have all the cash upfront
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11:18 <@oddball> Dagmar: I've seen "failure is not an option" turn into "failure is what happens to other people" entirely too often.
11:19 <@oddball> RangerZ: Yeah... just about every first con is sponsored by the conchair's credit card.
11:19 < RangerZ> Dagmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUuGhf9F13M
11:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Lucy - "The Minds Ability" Featurette - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:24 < RangerZ> http://uda3mau.blogspot.com/2014/07/weird-altacky-parody-of-happy-by.html video if anyone cares
11:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Weird Al~Tacky (Parody of "Happy" by Pharrell Williams) Music | News Update 2014 (at uda3mau.blogspot.com)
11:25 <@oddball> RangerZ: Yep, saw it yesterday.  he should be posting a new video about now.
11:26 <@oddball> Yep.  #Word Crimes is out
11:26 < RangerZ> lol... what about dru grabbing an entire bowl of candy from a hotel he visted, and pouring it into his bag...
11:29 <@wilpig> wouldn't surprise me
11:30 < RangerZ> no he did
11:31 < RangerZ> brought the candy and sugar'd up ben's kids
11:31 <@Dagmar> Goddamit
11:31 <@Dagmar> This guy is reporting his VIP doesn't work
11:31 <@Dagmar> ...because IT NEVER WORKED.
11:31 <@wilpig> the only part of that, that would surprise me would be if he took it from the Maxwell House
11:31 < RangerZ> who knows...
11:32 <@oddball> I can't remember the story of where he got them.
11:32 < RangerZ> i want to say 60/40 that he did
11:32 < RangerZ> but I can't remember
11:34 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: you find a link for Word Crimes?  What I've found so far says that the video isn't due to be released until 1pm ET
11:35 < RangerZ> i found audio
11:35 <@oddball> http://www.weirdal.com/#
11:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Weird Al Official (at www.weirdal.com)
11:36 < RangerZ> nvm... looks like daily motion already took it down
11:36 <@oddball> Shockingly enough, it's on his website.
11:38 <@oddball> Although it looks like the link to his video for Tacky is currently screwed up.  Unless he only wanted to host one video a day.
11:39 <@Corydon76-home> I can wait another 1.5 hours to see it.  No biggie.
11:39 <@oddball> I already gave you the link.
11:39 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING?
11:39 <@oddball> hey shapr
11:40 <@oddball> The video is on the front page of his website.
11:42 <@shapr> howdy oddball, how's life?
11:42  * shapr hugs Shadow404
11:43 <@oddball> pretty good
11:47 < aestetix_> on the plus side
11:47 < aestetix_> I now know what tumblr contributes to the world
11:47 < aestetix_> entertainment
11:47 <@Dolemite> Finally, a video for us grammaar nazis!
11:47 <@oddball> yep
11:47 < aestetix_> "Important message about the Dashcon orgy
11:47 < aestetix_> There has apparently been some reported itching issues from several people after the orgy? Yeah, I think someone went in unprotected. Might be crabs. Nothing serious but lol. Thank god I didn’t catch it."
11:48 <@oddball> Dolemite: Sad thing is that *I'm* becoming a grammer nazi.  The bar has been set that low.
11:48 <@Dolemite> OMG
11:49 <@oddball> Oddly enough, I think the redicule from you and Dementia has done more to correct my spelling than most of my grade school teachers.
11:50 <@Dolemite> Well I tried not to ridicule, but from the other end it could certainly be perceived that way.  I simply tried to nag, and I do see a difference.
11:51 <@oddball> Clearly you don't remember my horrible spelling when I first started hanging out here.
11:51 <@Dolemite> Oh I remember your horrible typing
11:51 <@Dolemite> But from my perspective, I was nagging you rather than ridiculing you ;)
12:00 < aestetix_> http://chicken-buddha.tumblr.com/post/91622761461/ill-just-leave-this-here
12:00 < aestetix_> hahaha
12:01 <@Dolemite> http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/07/15/comcast_rep_refuses_to_cancel_service_listen_to_the_customer_service_call.html
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12:09 <@shapr> SHAZAM!
12:09 <@shapr> oh hai klixa
12:09 <@klixa> hey shapr how are you today
12:09 <@shapr> I'm awright, how are you?
12:09 <@shapr> I've been having fun zipping around in my new car.
12:10 <@shapr> Drove around for a few hours yesterday after work.
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12:10 <@klixa> i saw a mini cooper while i was out yesterday and i thought of you
12:11 <@shapr> You can ride around in mine next time you're in town!
12:16 <@Dagmar> Damn you people
12:16 <@Dagmar> You just HAd to have the smallest car on the road
12:16 <@Dagmar> lol
12:16 <@Dagmar> Tehre's a mini cooper at the office, and it's basically the only thing in the entire garage smaller than my Scion iQ
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12:17 <@shapr> Dagmar: Is the Scion iQ zippy fast?
12:17 <@Dagmar> THe iQ is actually wider than I expected, which is giving me fucking fits trying to park it
12:17 <@Dagmar> shapr: Yes.
12:17 <@Dagmar> The CVT is freaky
12:17 <@Dagmar> It means the engine never pulls you very hard... it's too busy going faster
12:17 <@shapr> I have a manual, though the automatic minis have CVT, what's it like?
12:17 <@Dagmar> They take getting used to
12:17 <@shapr> I've read up on CVTs in an attempt to make one for my unicycle, but it didn't work out.
12:18 <@Dagmar> You know how like, on the interstate your foot is generally pretty far down, and in neighborhoods it's only like a half-inch down?
12:18 <@Dagmar> This is a recipe for lots of tickets via a CVT
12:18 <@Dagmar> Your pedal position is always in the same place when you're just maintaining speed
12:18 <@Dagmar> ...and it's not very far down at all
12:18 <@shapr> huh, interesting
12:19 <@shapr> This Mini is the first manual I've had with cruise control, feels very weird.
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12:19 <@wilpig> Dagmar: you finally got a new car?
12:19 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Yes.  It's very shiny and the stereo and my phone get along like a house on fire
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12:20 <@shapr> Dagmar: pix?
12:20 <@shapr> I need to add an aux in for my mini
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12:24 <@wilpig> Dagmar: I just looked that thing up.  you're actively trying to get killed by a semi or something aren't you?  between that and the scooter you're bound to be run over
12:26 <@Dagmar> wilpig: It's fine actually
12:26 <@Dagmar> The frame is mostly airbag
12:26 <@shapr> Dagmar: looks pretty small
12:26 <@shapr> haha
12:26 <@Dagmar> Bahahah https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YQyZhWOkLTY/U8SK2AT7GbI/AAAAAAAAkW0/NqBv_i8g4tE/w450-h666-no/2014-07-14.jpg
12:26 <@wilpig> so when they hit you, you'll be like the mars rover landing?
12:26 <@Dagmar> THey'll never hit me because I'll be out of the way
12:27 <@Dagmar> Fancy braking system fancy anti skidding out of control sytem
12:27 <@Dagmar> I was trying to make it drift a little
12:27 <@Dagmar> It refuses
12:27 <@Dagmar> hehe
12:28 <@wilpig> the idiots out there are crafy motherfuckers.  don't under estimate them
12:28 <@Dagmar> Basically, it'll do a uturn on a wide residential sstreet without even slowing down much
12:28 <@Dagmar> ...although my passenger might not be amused by that.  heh
12:29 <@shapr> Yeah, I can do speedy u-turns also, but people in the passenger seat usually squeak a bit
12:29 <@Dagmar> heheh
12:29 <@shapr> haven't had anyone pee on the seats yet, I figure I'm staying safe
12:29 <@Dagmar> The turning radius on this car is incredibly small
12:29 <@Dagmar> Three parking spaces wide
12:30 <@shapr> I think mine is a bit larger than that
12:30 <@shapr> Oh hey, got any recommended Ingress car gear?
12:30 <@shapr> I want to find a good dual USB charger
12:30 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Also, for the first time in two decades I have working AC that doesn't change the gas mileage
12:30 <@Dagmar> Scoche
12:30 <@Dagmar> I'll get you a link real quick
12:31 <@shapr> thanks
12:31 <@shapr> Yeah, I have AC for the first time in ~5 years
12:31 <@Dagmar> This one http://www.scosche.com/usb-car-charger-dual-port
12:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: USB Car Charger | reVOLT c2 Dual USB Charger | reVOLT c2 | by Scosche (at www.scosche.com)
12:31 <@Dagmar> Amazon sells it
12:31 <@shapr> My Mini gets surprisingly good gas mileage, better than my Saturn did.
12:31 <@Dagmar> It does work precisely as advertised.
12:31 <@Dagmar> I like that my AC and my power steering are fully electric so they don't consume engine power
12:32 <@shapr> My power steering is hydraulic, unlike most everything else
12:32 <@Dagmar> It felt twitchy at first because I'm used to hydraullic assist
12:32 <@Dagmar> There is *zero* play in fully-electric power steering
12:33 <@shapr> interesting
12:33 <@shapr> I know the more recent minis use fully-electric power steering
12:33 <@shapr> would be fun to try
12:33 <@Dagmar> That took some getting used to as well
12:33 <@Dagmar> It felt like I was tic tac'ing down the street
12:34 <@Dagmar> cuz normally how you're always making slight corrections with the wheel, but don't feel them because the play in the wheel and the steering soaks it up
12:35 <@Dagmar> You feel every little correction you make without thinking
12:35 <@wilpig> that would be a nightmare for me
12:35 <@wilpig> i've got 1-2" of play in my steering on the tan ranger
12:35 <@wilpig> and i'm used to it
12:40 < aestetix_> klixa: do guys ever ask you to stick a finger in their butt?
12:40 <@Dagmar> Yeah I was freaking out the first few times I hit the interstate, and with the way I-440 is fucked over, it's still not fun
12:40 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: That's a question Miss Crazypants would probably like to discuss
12:41 < aestetix_> ..
12:41 < aestetix_> Does she like doing that?
12:41 <@klixa> aestetix_: no one has ever asked me to do that
12:42 <@Dagmar> I have no idea but she likes talking about her cousin who sent her dick pics and then accusing all men of doing the same
12:42 <@klixa> well, it makes sense her cousin would be fucked up too...its genetic
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13:08 < aestetix_> you know what's funny
13:08 < aestetix_> a really deathly obese fat woman saying "I need to go to the little girl's room"
13:19 <@shapr> Dagmar: nice to have a real car?
13:23 <@Mirage> shapr: contrary to popular belief, his old BMW was a real car...just not a real nice car.
13:23 <@shapr> heh
13:24 <@oddball> heh
13:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe
13:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm just waiting for like 5~6 years from now... when people start selling the consumer level tesla sedan
13:26 <@oddball> I'm curious how much it will cost to recondition/replace those battery cells.
13:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm not going to buy one new... but an all electric vehicle like that is going to have less moving parts than a normal car... so I'm hoping that it'll last a lot longer than today's cars
13:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah, the batteries is the issue
13:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats why tesla/musk is investing so much in battery manf. and tech
13:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> I wouldn't be surprised to find out that his fab lab is designed to switch on a dime when a new battery tech comes out
13:28 <@oddball> 'cause that might end up being on par with replacing an engine/transmission... which means that maintenance cost think might not be a thing.
13:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c honestly there is nothing fundamentally preventing super-capacitors from existing at scale
13:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> just.... 'tough' to get right
13:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
13:29 <@oddball> One of my friends recently discovered that replacing the "starter" battery (not the giant battery that it runs off of) in his Prius is $800.
13:30 <@Mirage> wtf
13:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c of the 'rare earth metals' in it, and the cost of refining them
13:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> the thing is... almost all of that should be a _core-fee_
13:31 <@Mirage> sorry, i think i'd be slapping a normal lead/acid battery in there in that case.
13:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> but they have lucked out and consumers don't realize that yet... so they get away with charging that much
13:32 < aestetix_> jesus
13:32 < aestetix_> http://i.imgur.com/xR8i7Yx.jpg
13:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> tesla recycles their batteries and gets over 99% return
13:32 < aestetix_> why would anyone want that piecing
13:32 < aestetix_> piercing
13:32 < aestetix_> http://i.imgur.com/EbL5Zib.jpg
13:32  * shapr shrugs
13:32 < aestetix_> another version
13:32 <@oddball> not clicking that link.
13:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> people who need to seek attention
13:32 <@shapr> aestetix_: guys don't have enough holes?
13:34 <@Mirage> RangerZ|Laptop: longevity of a car mostly depends on the owner, though it's true that not all cars are built equal.
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13:39 <@oddball> bwahahahhahaha: http://eq2wire.com/2014/07/15/sonyonline-net-domain-expires-shenanigans-ensue-for-all-soe-games-websites/
13:39 <@Dagmar> wheee!
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14:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: lol
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15:24 <@ignotus-sdf> All you peepuls and your kewl cars. I get to show my age with a Yaris.
15:25 <@oddball> I thought that was more of you showing your taste. :p
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15:48 < aestetix_> man
15:48 < aestetix_> you ever have someone where no matter what you say, you feel like you said the wrong thing?
15:53 < RangerZ> aestetix_: i call her my ex
15:53 < RangerZ> lol
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15:59 <@ignotus-sdf> I second that motion. Well, almost. She hates the truth, and it never escapes her lips. Unlike other things.
16:00 <@ignotus-sdf> My current wife is the polar opposite, and it makes life much easier.
16:05 < aestetix_> heh
16:09 < aestetix_> RangerZ: is that the thing where you say something nice and it gets twisted into some crazy shit and you're like "uh wtf?"
16:11 <@klixa> i cant imagine why you would ever feel you say the wrong thing aestetix_, with your classics, like "penis" "vagina" , etc
16:11 <@shapr> vaina
16:12 <@ignotus-sdf> I know those. People used to literally pop popcorn and come out on their balconies to watch the verbal throwdown around 10pm when she was just rounding off her first fifth of vodka. It was humiliating. :(
16:12 <@ignotus-sdf> shapr lost a g.
16:12 <@shapr> ignotus-sdf: why'd you stay around after the first one?
16:12 <@ignotus-sdf> because I was young, and idiot, and a daddy to a toddler (who I thought was mine).
16:13 < aestetix_> oh man
16:13 < aestetix_> thats' no good
16:13 <@shapr> ignotus-sdf: ok, I can dig that
16:13 < aestetix_> of course, where you have crazybitch, you also have deadbeat dad
16:13 <@ignotus-sdf> nope. But I can't deny my two little ones now... they are very obviously mine. :)
16:17 <@klixa> so you got a dna test on the first one?
16:18 <@klixa> my brother got a dna test on his first son...the mother was a total ho
16:18 <@klixa> amazingly it was his
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16:19 <@klixa> hes a total ho too...but anyway
16:19 <@ignotus-sdf> no, I got a good look at him and her ex/current husband (the actual father). My former MIL kept insisting, but finally, now that he's 14, it's so plain to see.
16:19 <@ignotus-sdf> They also have the same vinegar foot odor.
16:19 <@klixa> id still check with science
16:20 <@ignotus-sdf> yeah, my ass ain't entering california again for ANY reason.
16:20 <@ignotus-sdf> she wouldn't allow child support because I said I'd have hime officially tested.
16:21 <@shapr> ?
16:21 <@klixa> i shoudl have my baby dna tested to make sure its mine
16:21 <@shapr> good idea :-P
16:21 <@klixa> :D
16:25 <@ignotus-sdf> LOL. From the death grip I endured during our daughter's birth when the epi didn't work, I'd say you would know. ;)
16:33 < aestetix_> ignotus-sdf: calfornia has so many issues
16:33 < aestetix_> I think san francisco might be the most highly regulated city in the country
16:33 <@Dickie> TOO MANY JEWS
16:33 <@Dickie> ...excuse me
16:34 <@Dickie> I... I don't know where that came from
16:35 < aestetix_> your nazi persona
16:39 <@klixa> ignotus-sdf: i didnt get an epi
16:39 <@klixa> epi's are for wusses! :P
16:40 <@ignotus-sdf> yeah, when it comes to that stuff, I got nuthin'.
16:40 <@Mirage> klixa: your baby could still be someone else's...unless of course you had it at home and it never lost your sight.
16:41 <@klixa> i saw my baby instant;y after birth..and then when they took her away she looks the same when she came back :P
16:41 <@klixa> they tag them with chips nowadays
16:42 <@klixa> bracelet chip... its on them the whole time
16:42 <@Corydon76-home> I tagged my dog with a chip, too.
16:42 <@Corydon76-home> subcutaneous
16:43 <@Corydon76-home> I don't see why they don't do the same with people.  Get 'em early, and they'll never resent it
16:43 <@ignotus-sdf> Both of mine were tagged with Daddy, too. Drove them nuts. They didn't go anywhere without me.
16:43 <@ignotus-sdf> by them, I mean the nurses.
16:44 <@klixa> ignotus-sdf: where i was they wouldnt have cared
16:44 <@Corydon76-home> You tagged the nurses?  How did your wife feel about that?
16:44 <@klixa> ignotus-sdf: i was at a nice hospital in a nice suburn with only 5 rooms for new babies
16:45 <@klixa> suburb*
16:45 <@Corydon76-home> I was thinking "sunburn"
16:51 <@shapr> me too
16:51 <@shapr> was wondering about that
16:56 <@Dagmar> OH OH OH http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/9nzwjt/vessyl-digital-cup
16:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Vessyl Digital Cup - The Colbert Report - Video Clip | Comedy Central (at thecolbertreport.cc.com)
17:04 < aestetix_> HOly shit
17:04 < aestetix_> https://plus.google.com/+googleplus/posts/V5XkYQYYJqy
17:04 < aestetix_> Google just retracted the real names policy.
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17:08 <@klixa> good, google has been pissing me off
17:11 <@klixa> aestetix_: I just changed my last name to *
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17:28 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WBqHdI5Bdw
17:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Doctor Who Parody by The Hillywood Show® - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:28 <@Dagmar> *shrug*
17:32 <@Dagmar> What's eerie is that the girl actually kind of looks like a female Doctor
17:33 < aestetix_> god I am so happy
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17:50 <@Dagmar> Dont' worry, the effects will wear off in a few hours
17:52 < aestetix_> Is that when Corydon76-home comes over?
17:59 <@Dagmar> Wow
17:59 <@Dagmar> Aeria has reached a new low
17:59 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpwBG2Dtpmk
17:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Basically - Scarlet Blade [The Worst Boobs] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:59 <@Dagmar> You will not believe this shit
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18:26 < RangerZ> Dagmar: thats great/sad at the same time
18:27 < RangerZ> i'm impressed by their total disregard of caring
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18:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah it's not just a little over the top... It's headed for low-earth orbit
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20:34  * brimstone slaps wilpig around a bit with a large trout
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22:05 < RangerZ> so I went to the walmart near me to replace the sodastream C02 canisters(have 2 so that I can toggle them, but forgot to get the empty one changed)... and they are such fuckups there... that at one point I owed 132$, 64$, 0.00, was getting paid to swap canisters 32$ and 64$
22:05 < RangerZ> they finally just swapped them and i owed 0.00
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23:01 < RangerZ> I'm going to love it when the Fox "News" heads  explode when the pulitzer prize winning journalist- illegal immigrant is let go
23:02 < RangerZ> b/c he's not in the 'critical' list of people who are priority deportations
23:03 < RangerZ> since he isn't a criminal and hasn't just crossed the border... lol
23:08 < RangerZ> also, he isn't carrying ebola
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