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01:16 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDcN2gZCwU
01:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Zombie Killer Revisited - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:48 < aestetix_> vagina
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11:41 < RangerZ|Laptop1> you know... your AC not producing cold air on the weekends...kinda sucks ass
11:42 < RangerZ|Laptop1> thankfully 24/7 emergency repair counts no AC/Heat as an emergency... and they just had to put some freon (well the gas that fills that role now) b/c there is a slow leak, and he found it, so he'll fully fix it tomorrow
11:44 <@wilpig> that's what gazebo kept telling me.  lying fucks
11:51 < RangerZ|Laptop1> well, they know I'll show up on the front steps every day if my AC doesn't work, and otherwise they won't hear from me for months
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11:57 < RangerZ|Laptop1> if I ended up moving, gazebo was probably going to be the place to where I moved
11:57 < RangerZ|Laptop1> since this mang. group just bought the one that owned that one
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14:24 < RangerZ> anyone in the 615 area know of an intro/medium level tech job open? Friend of mine with several years of exp. in hosting support is looking to move down this way
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15:53 < RangerZ> you know... I heard about this story about how a sony music recording studio is going to be sold to a developer... and my first reaction was... great... lets get rid of this crap music stuff on the road... and get some good businesses here, or let vandy expand....
15:53 < RangerZ> ....I work on music row....
15:53 < RangerZ> hehe
16:04 < RangerZ> so question for anyone... Is there an easy way to make a linux install in virtualbox, then to install it as a real system OS ?
16:05 < RangerZ> so that I can take my time to patch, install the software I want, while in windows, etc...
16:05 <@opticron> yeah
16:06 <@opticron> you can map a vbox "drive" to a physical partition
16:06 <@opticron> you have to do it via the command line tools, though
16:06 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: that's RCA, not Sony
16:06 <@opticron> s/physical partition/block device
16:07 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: thought so, but i heard 'sony' in the story about it, maybe they use it now or something
16:07 <@Corydon76-home> Nope, Ben Folds uses it.  The building otherwise has sat empty for several years now
16:07 < RangerZ> ahh
16:08 < RangerZ> opticron: know of a good guide? I don't play with virtualbox much at all
16:08 <@opticron> it doesn't take much
16:08 <@opticron> I did it without knowning anything about virtualbox a month or two ago
16:08 <@Corydon76-home> and the developer has plans to preserve the studio itself, but wipe out the offices above it and convert the property to mostly condominiums, with the studio as the attraction point
16:09 <@opticron> https://community.dynamics.com/ax/b/axaptavsme/archive/2013/03/11/how-to-connect-the-host-hard-drive-to-a-virtualbox-os.aspx
16:09 <@opticron> RangerZ, ^^ try that
16:09 <@opticron> no
16:09 <@opticron> that's the wrong one
16:09 <@Corydon76-home> That's why all the hubbub about it is completely illogical.  The studio isn't going anywhere.
16:09 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: then i don't fucking understand what the guy is bitching about then
16:09  * RangerZ shrugs
16:10 <@opticron> here it is http://www.sysprobs.com/access-physical-disk-virtualbox-desktop-virtualization-software
16:10 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: probably because he never bothered asking salient questions; he just assumed that because the property was being sold to a developer, the studio was going to be destroyed
16:11 < RangerZ> grr... people annoy me
16:11 < RangerZ> especially when they have had 2 too many beers at JJs
16:11 <@Corydon76-home> That said, it's also certainly possible that the developer was planning on knocking it all down, but changed his mind when an uproar occurred.
16:12 < RangerZ> yeah, who knows
16:12 <@Corydon76-home> But in terms of the public record, the developer has only ever said publically that the studio is staying
16:12 < RangerZ> the entire block across the street-ish from it got levelled
16:12 < RangerZ> and they haven't said what is going in there yet, at least not on the signs outside it
16:14 <@Corydon76-home> The developer they sold it to has a history of building condominiums
16:14 <@Corydon76-home> Thus, it's a reasonable guess
16:14 < RangerZ> yeah
16:15 <@Corydon76-home> Or do you mean the place across the street from Studio A?
16:15 < RangerZ> across the street from studio A
16:15 < RangerZ> but condo or apartment is reasonable guess there too
16:15 < RangerZ> that seems to be the 'in' thing right now to build downtown
16:15 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, or strip mall
16:16 < RangerZ> rent at village at vanderbilt is 3500$/mo
16:16 < RangerZ> or something silly
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> Anything is better than an abandoned building
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> Sony Music closed its offices in Nashville about 10 years ago
16:17 <@Corydon76-home> Or rather, they closed their building.  They may still have a small office, but they used to occupy an entire building
16:19 <@Corydon76-home> It is kind of amusing to see musicians ascribe special properties to the studio spaces, when the guys who built it shrug and say, "We used the best practices available at the time, but it's showing its age and is no longer the best"
16:20 <@Corydon76-home> It's like the attraction of organic foods... pay more for food that tastes worse.
16:28 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Oh, they still have a rather large office in Nashville.  Just not in that building.
16:29 < RangerZ> the best example of that is the monster octogon (might be same building)
16:29 < RangerZ> on 17th
16:29 < RangerZ> that would be great office space, but they want WAYY too much for it
16:29 < RangerZ> vandy looked into it and laughed
16:29 < RangerZ> if that says anything
16:30 <@Dagmar> that would explai why we bought those two buildings next to the Hill Center outright, then
16:30 <@oddball> I'm trying to remember where Sony moved to.  I want to say they moved into the BMI building.
16:31 < RangerZ> they bought outright the ISIS 1 building
16:31 < RangerZ> and I would suspect they are wanting to buy outright the ISIS 2 building
16:32 < RangerZ> then they will just kick out the other tennants and give them 3mo or something, like they did with the ISIS 1/ISDE building
16:33 <@Dagmar> They could probably just remodel that studio that was in question for a reasonable sum, IF we took more steps to have the people selling ethernet cables for digital audio to the tune of $300 and up... burned alive.
16:33 <@Dagmar> Rugged styrofoam pad: $0.40 sq. ft.
16:33 <@Dagmar> Rugged styrofoam pad for audio baffling: $9.40 sq. ft.
16:33 < RangerZ> but... the gold platinum wires, they allow for a 'purer' signal when traveling as digital
16:34 < RangerZ> hehe
16:34 < RangerZ> my friend got written up at BestBuy back when HDMI came out for selling someone the offbrand 6ft HDMI cable, instead of the "Monster" cables
16:35 <@Dagmar> I'd be proud of that
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16:35 < RangerZ> he was, he even explained how the signal is digital now, so that paper clips could carry it perfectly if they were long enough
16:35 < RangerZ> lol
16:35 < RangerZ> customer thanked him and even said they would shop there from then on
16:36 < RangerZ> but... customer loyalty... fuck that... we need to nickle/dime every customer NOW
16:36 <@Dagmar> Cutting off the nose to spite the face
16:36 <@oddball> yep
16:37 <@oddball> Oh... I've had people try to argue with me that that the high priced cables are worth it.
16:37 <@Dagmar> I like to tell them, "Your managers have trained you to lie to customers.  I'm sure your parents taught you a much more important lesson: DON'T BE STUPID."
16:38 <@Dagmar> Lie to me a couple of times, or refuse to stop lying to me, and I'll just go home and mail order some stuff.
16:38 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: they would be worth it, if the cables were made of silver, with gold-plated ends.
16:39 <@oddball> And I lived by the ocean or something.
16:39 <@Corydon76-home> But as soon as they made gold cables, they're making worse cables
16:39 <@Dagmar> Except they're not gold
16:39 <@Corydon76-home> Eh, other types of pollution can have a negative effect on connections
16:39 <@Dagmar> They're regular copper, electroplated with gold.
16:40 <@Dagmar> ...and digital transmission doesn't fuckin' care.
16:40 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: oh, okay.  Still insane
16:40 <@Dagmar> Yes, very
16:40 <@Dagmar> If those cables were made *of* gold, instead of a ridiculously thin layer of gold, they would cost as much as jewelry.
16:41 <@Corydon76-home> They _might_ have a case for elctroplating the stripped ends with gold before attaching the connector.  But not the whole cable
16:41 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: they DO cost as much as jewelry, though
16:41 <@Dagmar> You have to have a fairly caustic environment for it to really even matter
16:42 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Only the "enthusiast" cables, which aren't solid gold by any stretch
16:43 < RangerZ> and if you are using enought heavy machinary to cause cat5/6 interference ... then you need to be using fiber
16:43 <@Dagmar> ...or a separate facility
16:44 < RangerZ> my step-dad's work uses that... b/c they are a foundry... with 2150 F furnices... and other industrial equipment that uses ethernet to report status to the front office all the time
16:44 <@Corydon76-home> Not to worry.  I'm sure Monster Cable is figuring out a reason to add gold connectors to fiber cables and charge out the wazoo for them
16:44 <@Dagmar> GOLD NANOMOLECOOOLES
16:45 <@Dagmar> When it comes to fiber, the magic word isn't "gold", it's "LAZERz!"
16:46 <@Dagmar> Have you looked closely at the actual hardware involved in TOSlink fiber connections for stereo?
16:46 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' LEDs
16:46 <@Dagmar> Just goddamn LEDs.
16:46 <@Dagmar> They're literally using trimmed down T 1-3/4 LEDs, common as fuck, to shoot light down the fiber
16:47 <@Corydon76-home> Heh
16:47 <@Dagmar> ...which is why they have enough bandwidth for stereo, but you have to use DTS encoding to send more than that
16:47 <@Dagmar> I was kinda pissed when I realized that
16:47 <@Corydon76-home> Sounds good to me.  Use what works
16:47 <@Dagmar> THey make it out like it's this super high-tech stuff, but it's basically on the level of high-speed morse signalling with light
16:47 <@Corydon76-home> Um, yeah?
16:48 <@Corydon76-home> Were you under the impression that it was ever more complex than that?
16:48 <@Dagmar> Maybe I should spell that "hi-speed" like the USB vendors schlepping 1.1 standards as "fast" were
16:49 <@Corydon76-home> Full speed and high speed, yes
16:49 <@Dagmar> damn this CD is damaged on the label side
16:49 <@Dagmar> oh well
16:49 <@Dagmar> Opheria can get her ass online and order a used copy of this 4-cd set for $3 so screw it
16:50 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, fiber uses multiple lightwave lengths to send parallel signals down the same fiber, but it's always been the equivalent of Morse code
16:50 < RangerZ> Dagmar: did crazypants tell you when the wedding is? b/c I'm under the assumption that she thinks you two are at _least_ dating now... that she ruffled your hair
16:50 < RangerZ> which btw... we're all proud of you for not killing her on the spot, hehe
16:51 <@Corydon76-home> She's a lot more tolerable when she's drunk, isn't she?
16:51 < RangerZ> no
16:51 < RangerZ> actually i think she's worse
16:51 < RangerZ> normally I don't have to yell at her to "shut the fuck up"
16:51 <@Corydon76-home> I think she was ready to jump on Dagmar's dick and screw him on the couch
16:52 <@Corydon76-home> Not her usual manhating screeds
16:53 < RangerZ> *shrugs*... fucking addicts... be it pills... booze... or anything else... they all fucking annoy the hell out of me
16:53 < RangerZ> there is way to use those things responsibly
16:53 < RangerZ> and then....there is crazypants...
16:53 <@Corydon76-home> If booze suppresses the crazy, I say go for it.
16:53 < RangerZ> i dunno man... crazy is easier to deal with then unpredictable
16:54 <@Corydon76-home> Or, at least, mutates the crazy from militant feminazi to bubbly airhead...
16:55 <@Bahhumbug> <RangerZ> which btw... we're all proud of you for not killing her on the spot, hehe
16:55 <@Corydon76-home> Isn't that accurate?
16:55 <@Bahhumbug> Speak for yourself.  I'd rather her 6 feet under.
16:55 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: I meant the 'on the spot' part
16:55 < RangerZ> I didn't want blood on my laptop
16:56 < RangerZ> time and place for everything...
16:56 <@Corydon76-home> Your laptop makes for quite a weapon.  You have backups, right?
16:56 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry, blood on your laptop is a first world problem that is easily solved with the use of a damn rag and some bleach.
16:57 < RangerZ> speaking of snuff films.... I accidently downloaded one the other night ... it was cruel... bloody... and downright mean... FIFA.World.Cup.2014.Semi.Final.Brazil.vs.Germany.720p.HDTV.x264
16:57 <@Bahhumbug> I am, however, amused by Dagmar's complete lack of comment on this.
16:57 <@Dagmar> Oh don't worry... when the subject of strippers was mentioned she went right back to "I DOn'T KNOW WHY MEN WNAT TO SEND PICTURES OF THEIR PENISES TO EVERONE"
16:58 <@Bahhumbug> Oddly enough... I've never once thought of doing such a thing.
16:58 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm thinking to myself, she's talking to a group of men who have never done this, but she doesn't seem to realize it
16:58 < RangerZ> and she _always_ has to tell us about her 1st cousin who .... stuff... with her
16:58 < RangerZ> sent her a dick pick... among that stuff
16:58 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, I cry, again, bullshit at that.
16:58 < RangerZ> and she was PROUD of not having a job for over a year
16:58 < RangerZ> ohhh
17:00 < RangerZ> Dagmar: don't know if you were there yet for this one... but she said she was so scarred by her last job, that she's needed time before finding another... and I said... wait.... isn't it like relationships... the best way to get over a bad job.... is to find another job....  ?
17:00 < RangerZ> you could see the anger waves radiating off of her... b/c she was like "thats only for men ... tsk"
17:01 <@Bahhumbug> She took a year off because no one would hire her.
17:01 <@Bahhumbug> At least that's how that reads to me.
17:01 < RangerZ> ding ding ding
17:02 < RangerZ> well... after she threatened one of the major local developers with anal rape with a broken off beer bottle... and her last job(s) have bad recommendations ...
17:02 <@Bahhumbug> If that's true that's fine, if that's not true that's not a cool thing to be saying.
17:03 < RangerZ> she admitted it in here
17:03 <@Bahhumbug> That's different.
17:03 < RangerZ> I'm not saying anything she herself didn't say
17:03 <@Bahhumbug> I managed to ignore a good half of the spew that she polluted this channel with.
17:03 <@Bahhumbug> Too bad that was 100% :/
17:03 <@Bahhumbug> err, wasn't
17:04 < RangerZ> *shrugs*, there as posts about it from the guys POV , confirming what she said.. .but calling her crazy... which gave them legal standing IMHO, lol
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not arguing with you.  I just didn't see it here.
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> I believe you :)
17:05 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: um, you think none of this crowd has ever sent a dick pic, do you?
17:05  * Corydon76-home whistles innocently
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> I've not.
17:05 < RangerZ> I've not
17:05 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: did you send one to HER?
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> I can't think of anyone I know in my personal life that's done so as well.
17:05 < RangerZ> b/c thats what dagmar said
17:05 <@Corydon76-home> I've not ever sent a dick pic to a WOMAN
17:06 <@Corydon76-home> But then again, everybody I HAVE sent one to has ASKED for it.
17:07 <@Bahhumbug> ANyone got ger cell number?  I will be happy to send her pics of.. things.
17:07 <@Bahhumbug> (Joking, DO NOT WANT IT)
17:07 < RangerZ> plausible deniability
17:07 < RangerZ> lol
17:10 < RangerZ> but either way... I completely agree... its 'hard' to find a job right now, but not impossible... but burning bridges like that is NOT going to help, even if all you are doing is giving the impression to a group like this that you've burned bridges like that
17:10 <@wilpig> sooooo many... peas.....
17:10 <@wilpig> i'm gonna be shucking peas for an hour at this rate
17:11 <@Bahhumbug> Anyone that wants to work can work.  It's that simple.
17:11 <@Bahhumbug> Too bad if it's not in your choosen field.
17:12 <@wilpig> if you're crazy you might be unhirable
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> Bullshit.
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> Over nights at gas stations.
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> Hotel work.
17:12 <@wilpig> danger to the customer
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> Laundry at a hospital.
17:12 <@wilpig> danger to herself
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> Who cares?
17:12 <@wilpig> lawyers
17:12 <@Corydon76-home> I can see crazy as being an asset at some jobs...
17:13 <@Bahhumbug> Touche.
17:13 <@Corydon76-home> Like, security guard, bouncer, overnight clerk...
17:14 < RangerZ> linux system admin for SanFran
17:14 < RangerZ> etc
17:14 < RangerZ> or was it 'networking admin'
17:14 < RangerZ> forget offhand
17:15 <@wilpig> no employeer can afford to let her have a position where she interacts with humans.  period.  she's too much of a liability
17:16 <@wilpig> there is no way to know wnen she's gonna have another break with reality and threaten someone or accuse them of raping her with their eyes
17:20 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect the Nashville Mayor's office will figure this out, eventually.
17:23 <@Dagmar> Token crazy person
17:23 <@Dagmar> EEOC.
17:23 <@wilpig> government... they have their own levels of delusion to get over before they can spot it in others
17:37 < RangerZ> i've been in a meeting where she was selling herself as normal
17:37 < RangerZ> and she does well for a while
18:43 < RangerZ> aestetix_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mTSZxZpd7Q have some nightmares
18:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cyber? Bankers & Gov Officials Steam Up Revolving Door - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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21:14 < ignotus-sdf> what a pain. I think I'm back in.
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21:14 <@wilpig> until he got ghosted. lol
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21:15 <@wilpig> sorry I won't do it again,  but I alughted
21:15 <@wilpig> laughed*
21:15 < ignotus-sdf> Did I do what I think I did?
21:15 <@wilpig> you tell me
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21:16 <@wilpig> you should get on that password change quickly
21:16 <@wilpig> before I get to feeling funny again
21:17 < ignotus-sdf> yup
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21:20 <@ignotus-sdf> there we go.
21:21 <@NotLarry> fuck me, I broke a nail
21:22 < RangerZ> that sucks, can the hammer claw get it out?
21:25 <@opticron> RangerZ, you get all squared away with vbox?
21:25 < RangerZ> no, I haven't tried it yet, been relaxing actually
21:25 < RangerZ> catching up on stuff
21:26 <@wilpig> damnit.  had the heat up on my peas too high and burned the bottom of the pan
21:26 < RangerZ> also oddball SAO 2 is all about guns
21:26 < RangerZ> lol
21:29 <@ignotus-sdf> wilpig: I hate stuff like that. Last night it was roasting over the pasta sauce way too high.
21:30 <@wilpig> I had enough water in there if I had left the heat lower,  at least I didn't ruin them all
21:31 <@wilpig> my beans are still cooking just fine.  somehow I had the back burner lower than the front.  i'd be pissed had I ruined those
21:31 <@wilpig> those would have been a half slab of bacon ruined too
21:32 <@ignotus-sdf> well that's good. Part of mine was the water for the pasta was on the wrong eye for about 20 minutes.
21:32 <@ignotus-sdf> oh no! Bacon must be saved at all costs! :)
21:32 < aestetix_> vagina
21:33 <@Bahhumbug> @bacon
21:33 <@GateKeeper> Yummy, scrumptious, crispy BACON!
21:35 < RangerZ> @vegan
21:35 < RangerZ> sorry vegans
21:36 <@ignotus-sdf> I'm indulging in my guilty pleasure of Duck Dynasty. Although I could go down the road to my cousins' house. They're about the same.
21:36 <@ignotus-sdf> And I just realised how much of an inner redneck I have.
21:36 <@ignotus-sdf> bacon. again.
21:37 <@wilpig> I try to keep my inner redneck tied up
21:38 < aestetix_> wilpig: you're coming to the Hotel Penn on thursday to help set up right?
21:40 <@wilpig> ummmm.  I guess I probably can after work
21:40 < aestetix_> I hope you're taking friday off
21:40 < aestetix_> that way you can come and I'll just give you a club mate IV
21:40 <@wilpig> i have friday's off
21:42 < aestetix_> do you have three day weekends?
21:43 <@wilpig> indeed
21:43 < aestetix_> nice
21:43 < aestetix_> bring a hot intern with you
21:43 < aestetix_> klixa: you're coming to HOPE right?
21:43 <@wilpig> the dc has no interns.  but I'll swing by the office and see if I can wrangle the mit one
21:43 < aestetix_> just tell them snowden is speaking and they'll give you a blowjob
21:50 <@ignotus-sdf> aestetix_: I don't see how that benefits you, though.
21:50 < aestetix_> wow.
21:50 < aestetix_> www.glasshope.org
21:52 <@ignotus-sdf> I used to walk around up there.
21:55 < RangerZ> thats nice
21:55 < RangerZ> i'm sure aestetix_ personally approved that one
21:56 <@klixa> aestetix_: no... where is HOPE
22:08 < aestetix_> ok wtf ffs
22:08 < aestetix_> Someone just complained that HOPE doesn't have an iPhone/android app
22:08 < aestetix_> The information is all on the fucking website.
22:08 < RangerZ> to be honest, I can agree with that
22:08 < RangerZ> local caching is great
22:09 < aestetix_> RangerZ: you do realize most apps are just web browsers right?
22:09 < RangerZ> yes, but that doesn't mean they HAVE to be
22:09 < RangerZ> and none of the ones i write are
22:09 < aestetix_> well
22:09 < RangerZ> they all have local storage
22:09 < aestetix_> HOPE 2012's apps were
22:09 < RangerZ> but 'ehh'
22:09 < aestetix_> but I mean
22:09 < aestetix_> it's the same info.
22:11 < aestetix_> if it's that important to have a local copy
22:11 < aestetix_> you can probably download the web page
22:12 < aestetix_> since an "app" is basically the same thing, except with more restrictions
22:13 < aestetix_> klixa: nyc
22:13 < aestetix_> klixa: www.hope.net
22:14 < RangerZ> an "app" doesn't have to be, its just that you're used to crap apps
22:14 < aestetix_> no I'm not
22:14 < aestetix_> I'm not "used" to apps because I don't have a smartphone
22:14 < RangerZ> ahh, see, you're used to nightmare apps then
22:14 < aestetix_> what is a nightmare app
22:15 < RangerZ> that apps can do whatever nightmare you think up... almost as bad as an iphone user
22:15 < RangerZ> lol
22:15 <@Dagmar> The terrifying and primitve things they put on "feature phones"
22:15 <@Dagmar> Like... Snake.
22:15 < RangerZ> Nokia loves aestetix_
22:15 < RangerZ> he's the last person who still buys their phones
22:15 < aestetix_> lol
22:15 < aestetix_> so I mean
22:16 < aestetix_> it's the same information
22:16 < aestetix_> and likely delivered by the same means
22:16 < aestetix_> the only fucking difference is an icon
22:16 < aestetix_> which honestly if you bookmark the site you can probably make anyways
22:16 < RangerZ> yes/no
22:16 < RangerZ> an app can do a lot of things a web-page can't... on android
22:16 < RangerZ> on iphone... you're pretty much right
22:17 < aestetix_> ok
22:17 < RangerZ> b/c iOS doesn't have Content Providers
22:17 < aestetix_> let's say I have an app, versus a bookmark
22:17 < aestetix_> what is the difference
22:17 < RangerZ> which allows information sharing
22:17 < aestetix_> sharing?
22:17 < RangerZ> if you want, you can make your database open to the phone
22:17 < RangerZ> via a secure method
22:18 < RangerZ> filtered, etc
22:18 < RangerZ> so you can have "contacts" data-type... which any app can ask for 'contacts' genericly and get access to
22:18 < RangerZ> if they have permissions
22:18 < RangerZ> you can put permissions on your app too
22:19 < RangerZ> you can have the app poll for updates, and notify users when there is a change
22:19 < RangerZ> build their own schedule, locally, and let them share it via calander
22:19 < RangerZ> lots of things
22:19 < RangerZ> really depends on what you want to put dev time into
22:19 < RangerZ> etc
22:19 < aestetix_> so basically it's a fun toy for hipsters
22:20 < RangerZ> "sure"
22:20 <@Bahhumbug> People care about hipsters... why?
22:20 < RangerZ> b/c you'd HATE to have a digital customized schedule of talks you plan on going to
22:21 < RangerZ> or to have notifications if a speaker you are interested in... cancelled
22:21 < aestetix_> RangerZ: how many conference apps actually do that
22:22 < aestetix_> I'd be interested to see how many do that, and how many users actually engage those features
22:22 < RangerZ> not many, but don't blame lazy con admins for what 'apps' CAN be
22:22 < aestetix_> uh
22:22 < aestetix_> I wouldn't exactly call it lazy
22:22 < RangerZ> honestly, its more dev time/effort than most people care for
22:22 < aestetix_> unless you have a full time team devoted to it
22:23 < RangerZ> but if you built it... I would also be interested in seeing that usage rates
22:24 < aestetix_> I will also point out
22:24 < aestetix_> that every hipster who complains about this.... could themselves have built such an app
22:24 < RangerZ> nah, i doubt that
22:25 < RangerZ> i've found a lot of 'developers' are just doing what you're saying
22:25 < RangerZ> and putting web-pages in apps
22:26 < RangerZ> b/c they get easier artistic control with CSS than they do with android/iOS UI controls (mainly b/c thats what they are used to)
22:26 < aestetix_> so what is the difference between that and a web page
22:26 < RangerZ> not much, but as I've said... a lot of apps != what an app 'can' do
22:27 < aestetix_> I think maybe having an app is just "cool" and a thing to do or something
22:28 < RangerZ> ok
22:28 < RangerZ> I'm not going to convince you
22:29 < RangerZ> nor do i really care, for how you'd use a web-page based/app , you're right, its similar
22:29 < RangerZ> but local cache of info, in a place with possible bad wifi/signal is a bonus
22:29 < aestetix_> RangerZ: I'm just a little annoyed because we put a ton of work into the website and now these hipsters are saying "you need an app"
22:29 < aestetix_> when it's the same fucking thing
22:30 < RangerZ> but its not...
22:30 < RangerZ> unless you want to cheap out
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22:30 < aestetix_> like everyone else does
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22:32 < RangerZ> though I have to admit, this is a very intersting viewpoint
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22:33 < aestetix_> what is?
22:33 < RangerZ> your's
22:33 < aestetix_> why?
22:33 < RangerZ> b/c its an arguement i've never heard before
22:34 < aestetix_> well
22:34 < aestetix_> think about it this way
22:34 < RangerZ> and as such, deserves discreting during leactures and other stuff... ;)
22:34 < aestetix_> imagine you're a conference that puts a ton of effort/energy into making a hackable badge
22:34 < aestetix_> and then, out of 2000 attendees, 3 make a cool hack
22:34 < aestetix_> nobody else even bothers
22:35 < aestetix_> discreting?
22:35 < RangerZ> you mena every con that does it?
22:35 < RangerZ> lol
22:35 < RangerZ> mean*
22:35 < aestetix_> at the very most, you'll get some attendees that enter their name into their badge, if that's possible, but only if you can do it in like five minutes
22:35 < aestetix_> a conference does not magically become bell labs
22:36 < RangerZ> yeah, your POV is true from a limited experience, but isn't true for app development as a whole, and is a good arguement as to why app developers need to "value-add" above just a webpage
22:36 < aestetix_> well sure
22:36 < aestetix_> and if the app were going to be used for more than a single event, it would make sense
22:36 < RangerZ> ahh, thats why you write it to be the HOPE app, and make the 'year', etc... all data
22:36 < RangerZ> no reason you should hard-code that shit
22:37 < aestetix_> which is a great idea, until the person who volunteered to be in charge of it leaves, and nobody knows how to use it
22:37 <@wilpig> brimstone wrote an app like that.  it was setup to parse the json data from various cons
22:38 < aestetix_> and don't forget that new sotware updates like iOS may make it not work with your phone
22:38 <@NotLarry> ok, reposts are the bestposts https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10437560_10150388425744982_8457862513280799874_n.jpg
22:38 < aestetix_> and if you have an app using old software, that limits what you can do in the future websites
22:39 < aestetix_> this is generally why the feedback@conference.com email addresses often go into a filter that's not viewed until after the conference is well over :p
22:40 < aestetix_> this is also one of my criticisms about a software cycle where companies (cough apple) update just for the sake of putting out new updates
22:40 < aestetix_> like the "improved" graphics of iOS 7 that forced all the graphic designers to revamp their whole systems, for no obvious net gain
22:41 < aestetix_> wow I am apparently really angry about this
22:44 < aestetix_> RangerZ: also, isn't there a delay with app store approval?
22:52 < RangerZ> sorry back... yeah, but it isn't too much most of the time, google has automated a TON of it
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22:53 < aestetix_> RangerZ: could you make a HOPE X app? :)
22:54 <@Bahhumbug> Trivial.  Just have the primary app screen print out "Go to http://hope.org" or whatever the website is.
22:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hope Chapel (at hope.org)
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22:58 < RangerZ> aestetix_: actually I could... but not in time for it
22:58 < aestetix_> I thought you just said there's a fast turnaround
22:58 < RangerZ> there is
22:58 < RangerZ> just I don't have time
22:58 < aestetix_> can you just make some app that embeds the webpage?
22:58 < RangerZ> actually no, i've never done that
22:59 < RangerZ> i'm sure its not hard, but i've never tried
23:05 <@Dagmar> I don't think they'll let you submit those kinds of apps to the Play Store anymore
23:06 <@Dagmar> China was basically copying every site everywhere into such an app and slapping it on the Play Store
23:28 < RangerZ> Dagmar: you looked much into the new display port 1.2a and 1.3 versions?
23:28 <@Dagmar> nope
23:28 <@Dagmar> Just sitting here doing laundry watching the Intel map
23:29 <@Dagmar> Some smurfs are driving around busting things, and have not yet learned that I take advantage of that new space
23:29 <@Dagmar> I'm jsut being very picky about what since it's incredibly unpleasant outside
23:30 < RangerZ> yeah
23:30 < RangerZ> displayport 1.3 is going to have freesync from AMD rebranded as Adaptive Sync
23:33 <@Dagmar> Doesn't really mean anything to me
23:33 <@Dagmar> I just care than I'm over 30fps
23:34 < RangerZ> well if you are at 40 FPS, or any non-30 FPS it'll stop screen tearing and all that other nonsense you get currently
23:34 <@Dagmar> I don't get screen tearing
23:34 < RangerZ> so you can turn off v-sync and everything, and just worry about FPS
23:34 < RangerZ> which will improve overall FPS, and a lot of things
23:34 <@Dagmar> Except I hardly ever play shooters so it doesn't matter.
23:35 <@Dagmar> With v-sync on I get 30fps which is fine
23:35 < RangerZ> yeah, I'm not going to be rushing out to buy it
23:35 < RangerZ> just an interesting tech
23:44 < _specialk_> yawn
23:48 < RangerZ> ohh thats shady... Piedmont gas processes payments at 10PM
23:48 <@wilpig> how is that shady?
23:48 < RangerZ> so if you pay at 11pm... could be 2~3 days before it goes through
23:48 < RangerZ> instead of processing in the morning
23:49 <@Bahhumbug> Most places process payments in the middle of the night via automation.
23:50 < RangerZ> ehh i guess.... I might have over-reacted... but my defualt tone when it comes to utilities.... they're going to try and screw you SOME way
23:50 <@Dagmar> NES actually checks for payments in-process before issuing disconnects
23:51 <@Dagmar> s/issuing/effecting/
23:51 <@Dagmar> ...because they're trying to switch their primary method of taking in money to ETFs, which are batch processed
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> Yep.  most utitlies do.
23:51 <@Dagmar> Man it's fuckin' dogbreath out
23:52 <@Dagmar> 85F and 78% humidity
23:52 <@Bahhumbug> Just think.... It's not even the middle of July yet.
23:52 <@Dagmar> Its' the 13th so close enough
23:52 < RangerZ> fuck you for reminding us of that
23:52 <@Dagmar> This is the type of weather that makes shitstorms
23:53 <@Dagmar> THe kind where you're in the car muttering "shit shit shit shit shit"
23:53 < RangerZ> better than a scooter
23:53 <@Dagmar> Now this is interesting
23:53 <@Dagmar> https://cerebro.botnyx.com/
23:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cerebro - The ingress-mutant tracker (at cerebro.botnyx.com)
23:54 <@Dagmar> No, on the scooter you just say "I am already fucking wet.  I'm GOING to get fucking home."
23:54 <@Dagmar> ...and then "FUCK!  I'm not going to fucking drown in the middle of the street goddamn it"
23:54 < RangerZ> better than when it hails....
23:54 < RangerZ> so you have that
23:54 <@Dagmar> It *was* hailing the last time I got caught in a storm
23:55 <@Dagmar> Goddamn pea-sized hail
23:55 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure people were questioning my sanity and not my manhood when I went past them on White Bridge Road
23:56 <@Dagmar> That still makes me chuckle just thinking about it, despite how much that stung
23:56 <@Dagmar> People pulled over because they can't see, and then I blaze past on the scooter, stereo cranked all the way up
23:56 <@Dagmar> No jacket.
23:57 <@Dagmar> MANLY!
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