--- Log opened Thu Jul 10 00:00:46 2014 00:01 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108.193.45.205] has joined #se2600 00:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:20 -!- ladymerlin [ladymerlin@mail.bbis.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28 -!- ladymerlin [ladymerlin@mail.bbis.us] has joined #se2600 01:57 <@Dagmar> o my gawd 01:58 <@Dagmar> That shit is just too funny Corydon 01:58 <@Dagmar> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/worldcup/pornhub-pleads-users-to-stop-uploading-videos-of-brazil-getting-fked-by-germany-in-the-world-cup-9594287.html 02:50 < aestetix_> http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=TSA-2001-11120-0085 03:03 < aestetix_> evilpig: found another picture of your gf: http://i.imgur.com/b5k7Qzp.jpg 03:57 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108.193.45.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:22 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:54 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 04:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 04:58 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:00 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 05:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 05:04 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:06 -!- timball [~timball@coronal-mass-ejection.sunlightfoundation.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:06 -!- Neoteric [~timball@coronal-mass-ejection.sunlightfoundation.com] has joined #se2600 05:08 -!- GateKeeper [~gatekeepr@serentos/support/bot] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:09 -!- GateKeeper [~gatekeepr@serentos/support/bot] has joined #se2600 05:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o GateKeeper] by ChanServ 05:11 -!- Neoteric [~timball@coronal-mass-ejection.sunlightfoundation.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:17 -!- Neoteric [~timball@coronal-mass-ejection.sunlightfoundation.com] has joined #se2600 06:05 -!- Bahhumbug_ [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has joined #se2600 06:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Bahhumbug_] by ChanServ 06:05 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:05 -!- Bahhumbug_ is now known as Bahhumbug 06:58 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 06:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 07:03 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:04 -!- Ignotus-sdf [42df39fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.223.57.251] has joined #se2600 07:05 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 07:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 07:31 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:47 < Ignotus-sdf> whazzup! 08:09 -!- Ignotus-sdf [42df39fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.223.57.251] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL4dFF9WPRA lol 08:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: George R.R. Martin Responds to Fans Worried Hell Die Before Finishing Game of Thrones - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 09:20 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:43 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:47 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 09:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 09:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGwRl1ouq8c fuck this bullshit 09:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: GameStop to Make Portions of Games Exclusive to Their Stores - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 09:52 <@opticron> what? 09:52 <@opticron> like gamestop-exclusive DLC? 09:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/08/gamestop-exclusive-content/ 09:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: GameStop wants to offer exclusive content with its preorder titles (at www.engadget.com) 09:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, exclusive gameplay 09:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> but who knows what'll end up happening 09:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> the sad thing is... I _KNOW_ that gamestop could be a 'value add' to the shopping experience to consumers, b/c I fucking ran a store and BS like this after they went public is why people hate gamestop now 10:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> reserving a game, should get you 5~10$ off, or should get you the season pass for free(which should only be 10$)... or ... i don't know... have a fucking staff that isn't paid shit to sell one of the MOST profitable markets in retail 10:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> store mang. only make 35k or something apparently now 10:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats why there is such a high turnover, and such high rate of know-nothing employees :/ 10:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> 10:03 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:12 <@Dickie> The syntax for that frightens and confuses me 10:18 <@Dagmar> Fuck Gamestop and fuck pre-order content 10:19 <@Dagmar> That's crossing a goddamn line right there 10:19 <@Dagmar> Might as well just ship the shit snail-mail if you're going to have to pay and then wait two weeks to see the product show up 10:19 <@Dagmar> Sooo... fuck them 10:19 <@Dagmar> Also, fuck Vanderbilt "Core Infrastructure" group for being idiots 10:20 <@Dagmar> It seems the email gateway is about to start tagging emails that come from off-campus by putting "[External]" in the subject line 10:20 <@Dagmar> That had better be some shit one can opt-out of 10:20 <@Dagmar> For their sake 10:33 <@evilpig> why they fuck are they doing that? that's the kind of shit you just put in the headers if you really fucking need it 10:34 <@evilpig> or are they just doing that to admit their end users are so fucking retarded they can't tell the difference between phishing and internal mail 10:34 * opticron is going to guess option #2 10:38 < aestetix_> I just got an idea 10:38 <@evilpig> did it hurt? 10:38 < aestetix_> "Donald Duck goes to the IRS Office" 10:38 < aestetix_> Can you imagine him throwing a quacking fit when they try to screw him over on his taxes? 10:40 <@Bahhumbug> No, actually I can't. I stopped thinking about Donald Duck when I grew up. 10:40 <@Bahhumbug> Part of that whole maturity thing. 10:41 <@Bahhumbug> You might want to give it a try at some point. You might find you like it. 10:41 <@evilpig> but when you mature you're supposed to stop thinking about boobs all the time 10:41 <@Bahhumbug> I cry foul. 10:41 < aestetix_> evilpig: really? 10:41 <@evilpig> tha's what I heard 10:41 < aestetix_> Growing up sounds like it sucks. 10:42 < aestetix_> No boobs and no Donald Duck 10:42 <@evilpig> awwww aestetix_, at least you'll never have to know that pain. :D 10:43 <@Dagmar> evilpig: I'm going to argue that if we're at the point where we have to tamper with subject lines, it's time to start firing people for incompetence 10:43 <@evilpig> you're well past the point of firing for incompetence. 10:43 < aestetix_> Dagmar: subject lines? 10:43 <@evilpig> incompetence is celebrated there. they promote it 10:44 <@Dagmar> ...but the main fact of the matter is that I'm pretty damn sure this is the result of ill-advised busy-work someone from ITS came up with so that Hogan could have a "win" to report 10:44 <@Dagmar> ...because their department does basically nothign but Exchange and Sharepoint now 10:45 <@evilpig> seriously this is the type of thing that should be a header. then on these clueless fuck's desktops they can push down an outlook rule that will color anything with that header RED so the fuckers pay attention 10:45 * oddball_ wanders in and reads the scroll back 10:45 <@Dagmar> That would require someone who knew what they were doing. 10:45 -!- oddball_ is now known as oddball 10:45 <@Dagmar> ...which isn't a thing ITS does anymore 10:45 <@evilpig> I know how to do that and they wouldn't hire me for the job 10:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 10:45 <@evilpig> fuck.. woudln'te even interview me 10:46 <@Dagmar> Thursday night after it goes live I'm going to mass email our office with teh crudest phishing mail ever, and start the subject line with [Internal] 10:46 <@Dagmar> We're going to have all-caps, broken english, and misspelled words 10:46 <@evilpig> tell them they have a speeding ticket and give a link to pay it 10:46 <@Dagmar> ...becuse it's fuckin' *phishing* emails 10:46 <@Dagmar> This isn't spam. 10:47 <@oddball> wait... injecting shit into people's email subject lines? That... is bordering on unethical in my book. 10:47 <@Dagmar> SOmeone will *have* to know they're targeting Vanderbilt and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that external-origin mails are having their subject lines tampered with 10:47 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has joined #se2600 10:48 <@Dagmar> So... [Internal] [Verified] Internal Communication from Office Of Administration 10:48 <@Dagmar> DEER USAR 10:48 <@Dagmar> IN ORDUR TO KEEP UR EMAILS SECUUR, WE NEED 2 KNOW UR PASSWORD 10:48 <@Dagmar> REMEMBER, ONLY SEND UR PASSWORD TO US BECAUSE PHISHING. 10:48 < aestetix_> Dagmar: why don't they enable DKIM and SFP? 10:49 * Dagmar rings a little bell 10:49 < aestetix_> er SPF 10:49 < aestetix_> whatever it is 10:49 <@Dagmar> Reminder: Most of the people still working in ITS are functionally brain dead. 10:49 <@Dagmar> ITS uses FOPE. 10:49 <@Dagmar> If FOPE doesn't block it, well, clearly it's not a threat, right? 10:50 <@evilpig> FOPE let me send that virus through 10:50 <@evilpig> of course their local policy removed the attachement cause it was helpful liek that 10:50 <@Dagmar> Actually it didn't. It now strips basically everything out of zip files on general principle 10:50 <@Dagmar> Ah okay 10:50 <@evilpig> lol 10:51 <@Dagmar> Next time uuencode 10:51 <@evilpig> when I was still there they were removing zip, exe, bat and another type 10:51 <@oddball> rar? 10:51 <@brimstone> rawr 10:51 <@Dagmar> Almost certainly 10:51 <@Dagmar> ...but low tech solutions like uuencode and rot13 slide right past this shit 10:51 <@brimstone> i double rot13 10:52 <@evilpig> rot13 was how i got around the security on apache so I could skim the camera data for temperatures 10:56 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@66.55.13.134] has joined #se2600 10:56 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@66.55.13.134] has quit [Changing host] 10:56 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 10:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 11:01 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.61.93] has joined #se2600 11:04 <@Mirage> aestetix_: I know for a fact that SPF records were setup for VU. Whether they are being honored is another matter. 11:10 <@Bahhumbug> What's Vandy's domain for student email? vanderbilt.edu? If so there are not SPF records visible. 11:13 <@Mirage> student email gets routed to gmail..or at least it used to. 11:13 <@Mirage> but the domain is vanderbilt.edu 11:14 <@Bahhumbug> Maybe my host-fu is broken, but I didn't see txt or spf records for it. 11:14 <@Bahhumbug> Hell, it's probably broken. That's how this day is shaping up. 11:14 <@evilpig> Bahhumbug: is it time for us to give you the old yellar treatment? 11:15 <@Mirage> me either. i'm sure that Sean decided that SPF is stupid and removed them after he took over DNS from Dagmar 11:15 <@Bahhumbug> Then I would say that Sean is a moron. 11:15 <@Bahhumbug> Take into account I don't know Sean. 11:15 <@Mirage> Bahhumbug: ++++++ 11:15 <@Bahhumbug> So this is just a guess on my part. 11:15 <@Bahhumbug> evilpig: I will let you know when that times comes. 11:15 <@Bahhumbug> I fear it's coming up pretty quick. 11:16 <@evilpig> sweet 11:16 <@Mirage> Bahhumbug: this is the same person that decided that LVM was pointless on VM's and declared that each mount should be a separate virtual disk instead. 11:16 <@evilpig> ... 11:17 <@Bahhumbug> Did this person's parents have any children that lived? 11:17 <@evilpig> clearly at least one 11:17 <@Bahhumbug> I would argue that. Seems to me that Sean is pretty much brain dead. 11:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> Bahhumbug: student email goes through gmail for undergrads and grads through @v.e 11:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still @v.e address for undergrads 11:20 <@Dagmar> I woulnd't say he's brain dead, but I would say he's inexperienced 11:24 <@evilpig> but Dagmar isn't he the senior architect or soemthing? 11:26 <@Dagmar> yes well, that's what happens when you don't pay people 11:26 <@Dagmar> You get noobs acting as "senior" positions 11:27 <@Mirage> Dagmar: I'm willing to bet he was being paid _MUCH_ higher than we were 11:29 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:30 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:34 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:48 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Anybody that licks Hogan's ass that much deserves extra hazard pay. 11:49 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:57 <@Bahhumbug> In the event anyone cares: https://eztv.it/ep/56643/the-internets-own-boy-the-story-of-aaron-swartz-hdrip-x264-mvgroup/ 12:22 <@shapr> I chatted with him on IRC, I'm sad he's gone. 12:30 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.61.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:32 <@Bahhumbug> I worked for his dad in the early 90s and knew him when he was still picking boogers and wiping them on things. 12:32 <@evilpig> you're supposed to stop that? 12:32 <@Bahhumbug> Only if you want to. 12:32 <@Bahhumbug> It does generally help with the little things in life like getting laid. 12:35 <@evilpig> what's "getting laid" ? 12:35 <@Bahhumbug> And therein lies the problem. 13:02 <@Corydon76-home> I don't think he had any problem getting laid. Staying out of trouble was another thing that he never learned how to do. 13:03 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 13:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 13:04 <@Corydon76-home> The fact that he kept breaking into the same wiring closet on multiple occasions and evading the technical measures meant to stop him meant he had to expect being physically accosted. 13:05 <@Corydon76-home> If you break in once, and they stop you, that can be seen as a prank. Keep breaking in and keep evading those measures, and they really don't have any choice but to get physical with you 13:07 <@Corydon76-home> As to suicide, it's the same thing as for most suicides: a terrible tragedy, because it's a permanent fix for a temporary problem. 13:15 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Picked it up a few nights ago from "elsewhere" 13:16 -!- Ignotus-sdf [42df39fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.223.57.251] has joined #se2600 13:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> Bahhumbug: same 13:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> thanks though 13:25 < Ignotus-sdf> prolly the question I wanted to ask but didn't see, and that is "how are things working out?" 13:29 <@Dagmar> I take it the Hallmark Inn didn't work out? 13:31 <@Dagmar> looool 13:47 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.61.93] has joined #se2600 13:53 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I take it you saw the PR on that motel? 13:53 <@Dagmar> *Hilarity* 13:54 <@Dagmar> THat wasn't actually the hotel they put him in, was it? 13:54 <@Dagmar> I just saw the bit about it being closed as a nuisance and then looked over at the IRC window to see RangerZ saying something along the lines of "I have to find another place to live" 13:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> no 13:55 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: Well, I could use a houseboy around here 13:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> thank gods I got back in my apt last night 13:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> i mean... respectfully no, thanks Corydon76-home 13:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 13:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> thankfully the actual apartment buildings were structurally sound, just the breezeway between them needs replaced 13:58 <@Dagmar> Just fill it with Grape Nuts and add a gallon of milk. 13:58 <@Dagmar> It'll set in a matter of hours. 14:14 -!- critch [~critch@smart.drunkenlogic.com] has joined #se2600 14:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o critch] by ChanServ 14:27 <@Mirage> https://screen.yahoo.com/snl/boy-dance-party-090000433.html 14:29 <@evilpig> hi critch! 14:34 <@evilpig> Mirage: who is that redhead? she looks familiar 14:38 <@critch> hi evilpig 14:39 <@evilpig> have I just been overlooking you or do you usually lurk in here? 14:40 <@critch> I haven't been in here in a loooonnggg time. 14:40 <@evilpig> and yet you're still oped. heh 14:40 <@critch> I haven't pissed people off 14:40 <@Mirage> evilpig: dunno 14:40 <@critch> I don't use the op power anyways 14:41 <@Bahhumbug> You should. It's fun. 14:41 -!- aestetix_ was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [aestetix_] 14:41 <@Bahhumbug> I very much enjoyed that. 14:41 <@critch> I just hopped back into irc after a comment about the nashjs group being in here. 14:42 -!- aestetix_ [~aestetix@173.203.197.247] has joined #se2600 14:44 <@critch> looks like this puts me right at the edge of my memory for this vps. Pretty cool. 14:44 <@critch> $30 for a year of hosting, have my email/spamassasin and irc up in that space 14:44 <@critch> w 14:44 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 14:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 14:46 <@Corydon76-home> critch: ah, that's slightly cheaper than my VPS... 6G RAM for $7/mo 14:47 <@Bahhumbug> What's the catch? No matter how oversold that hardware is they can't possibly be turning a profit on it. 14:47 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: there's a catch? 14:47 <@critch> Had I seen a 6gig option, I might have jumped. This is just 256M RAM, 20gig drive and 1T bandwidth a month. 14:47 <@Corydon76-home> I'm limited on the amount of CPU I can use 14:48 <@Corydon76-home> But that's true for all VPS systems 14:48 <@Bahhumbug> $7 USD for 6G is called throwing money away if you're a hoster. 14:48 <@Bahhumbug> It's impossible to turn a profit. 14:48 <@Corydon76-home> Here's where I find my VPS deals: http://lowendbox.com/ 14:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Low End Box - Cheap VPS Hosting Providers Listing & Reviews (at lowendbox.com) 14:49 <@Bahhumbug> That a vz kernel? 14:49 <@critch> Bahhumbug: then think about this hoster, at $30 a year, take out the credit card processing fee and they don't have any left to really cover support. Then they screwed up and had to deal with me when they thought I was a fraud. 14:49 <@Corydon76-home> http://lowendbox.com/blog/vpsdimewinity-io-6gb-ram-500gb-storage-or-1gb-windows-vps-all-for-7-month/ 14:50 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, vz kernel. 14:50 <@Corydon76-home> Mine is the first one on that page, hosted in LA 14:51 <@Corydon76-home> I haven't moved to it yet, but they offer access to a MySQL server instance hosted on SSD 14:51 <@Corydon76-home> That's for free 14:51 <@Bahhumbug> Is that 6G real of is that the upper end of the ballon? 14:52 <@Bahhumbug> s/of is/or is/ 14:52 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, and it looks like they're still honoring that deal 14:53 <@Corydon76-home> You're welcome to ask them. When I originally provisioned it, I was looking at running Jira, which is a massive memory hog 14:53 <@Corydon76-home> Today, though, I'm not taking advantage of that amount of memory 14:53 <@Bahhumbug> I've got a couple hosted jira instances, comped through Atlassian. 14:53 <@critch> when I went looking for hosting, I thought I would run Zimbra, but am happy I dropped to the idea of a smarthost, and then not run zimbra. 14:53 <@Bahhumbug> I wouldn't try hosting that monstrosity unless I really had to. 14:54 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, I ran Zimbra for awhile, too 14:54 <@Corydon76-home> but VPS providers don't like Zimbra, because it can chew on CPU for awhile for no discernible reason 14:54 <@Bahhumbug> *cough*java*cough* 14:54 <@critch> yep 14:55 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, I think it was actually SpamAssassin/ClamAV which was driving up the CPU usage 14:55 <@critch> Spamassassin doesn't seem to bad, but I could see ClamAV being bad. 14:55 <@Bahhumbug> clamav is just a memory pig; SA is a cpu hog. 14:56 <@Bahhumbug> Unless you're churning through a lot in inbound traffic. 14:56 <@Corydon76-home> Any domain that is around for any length of time is going to face lots of attempted spam traffic 14:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> so... you wanna talk about a fun little thought experiment... think of a _open_ SMTP relay that is the default relay for 500 hotel nation wide... not running SA or clamAV or anything 14:57 <@critch> And from my new mail server setup, looks like Zimbra, out of the box, doesn't do enough bounce at connect time. 14:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> that little e-machines accounted for 1/4 of all US Spam one month back in 07... according to spamhaus 14:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 14:58 <@Bahhumbug> My domain has been around since '87; I suspect I get more spam than most people in this channel. Unless you're willing to take the time and effort to re-order some of the tests that SA does it's not optimal for medium - large scale servers. 14:58 <@Bahhumbug> I would gladly give you my spam if you'd take it. 14:58 <@Bahhumbug> Hell, I'd even _pay_ you to take it. 14:58 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: yeah, I had the misfortune of being asked to support a Mac server that had become a spam relay, owing to some previous asshole giving system accounts easy-to-guess passwords 14:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> this _was by design_ though 14:59 <@Dickie> You can't compromise a mac 14:59 <@Dickie> urban legend 15:00 <@evilpig> Corydon76-home: was it me? i'm an asshole like that 15:00 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: it technically wasn't compromised 15:00 <@Dickie> I know. 15:00 <@Dickie> Because it's a mac. 15:00 * Dickie drops the mic 15:01 <@Corydon76-home> Because it was a spammer who didn't give a shit beyond it relaying his spam 15:01 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24.158.54.190] has joined #se2600 15:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 15:04 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24.158.54.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 15:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 15:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: know of a cheap seedbox? 15:06 < aestetix_> penis 15:08 <@Bahhumbug> vultr.net (Choopa) has cheap boxes in NYC w/ spindle storage that are like $10 a month for 300G disk, 1G ram and like 2T transit. 15:08 <@critch> also look at budgetvps.com 15:09 <@Corydon76-home> What's a seedbox? 15:09 <@Bahhumbug> Infringement is on their list of things not to do. I just don't know if they actually look into traffic or not, howveer. 15:09 <@Corydon76-home> If you're talking about Torrents, most VPS providers prohibit public Torrents 15:10 <@Bahhumbug> Most providers don't care until the first notice comes in. 15:10 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/10/scholarly-journal-retracts-60-articles-smashes-peer-review-ring/ 15:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Scholarly journal retracts 60 articles, smashes peer review ring - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) 15:30 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31 <@evilpig> anyone really familiar with dell ipmitool? idrac in general? 15:44 < Ignotus-sdf> what ya need to know? 15:44 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 15:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 15:45 < Ignotus-sdf> we got em on a lot of our stuff. 15:46 <@evilpig> I think i've got this narrowed down to a protocol error but not sure 15:47 <@evilpig> if I use ipmitool -I lanplus -H 172.16.41.93 -U root -P password bmc info 15:47 <@evilpig> I get a response. the command we use for everything though is ipmitool -I lan -H 172.16.41.93 -U root -P password bmc info 15:47 < Ignotus-sdf> ah. we play with the web interface, and a lot of times iptables or firewalls can cause prollums. 15:47 <@evilpig> so it looks like this replacement board isn't responding to IPMI 1.5 commands but it is to the 2.0 ones 15:47 < Ignotus-sdf> http://www.ducea.com/2008/11/24/drac-ip-port-numbers/ 15:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: DRAC IP port numbers - MDLog:/sysadmin (at www.ducea.com) 15:48 <@evilpig> firewall is wide open 15:48 <@evilpig> plus it's a dedicate interface 15:48 < Ignotus-sdf> do you have the Dell man on it? 15:48 <@evilpig> yeah it isn't much help 15:48 <@evilpig> I've dug aroun din the channel and priviledge listing commands looking for this and just not finding anthing 15:49 <@evilpig> when I print out the channel description from a working node and this one they are identical except for the IP and mac 15:49 <@evilpig> the bmc info is the same as well except hte one that doesn't work is version 1.57.57 and the on that does is 1.50.50 15:49 <@evilpig> I'd downgrade this but that 1.50 version isn't on their site for snagging 15:49 < Ignotus-sdf> always down, or recently down 15:56 < Ignotus-sdf> http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/sg/en/sgdhs1/driverdetails?driverid=NY0XJ 15:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Driver Details | Dell Singapore (at www.dell.com) 15:56 < Ignotus-sdf> try that. gleaned from this: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/servers/f/956/t/19351445.aspx 15:57 < Ignotus-sdf> hopefully that can get you out of the weeds. 16:00 <@evilpig> that's for a T110 though hrmmmm 16:03 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.61.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05 <@evilpig> this old ass 1.46 version worked 16:08 -!- Corydon76-home changed the topic of #se2600 to: <@Dagmar> I AM HITLER. | Mmmm, chocodiles... 16:08 <@Dagmar> Oh don't worry about it too much. It's not like Dell drivers really work all that well anyway. 16:08 <@Dagmar> THis laptop still doesn't do any USB 2.0 devices on it's USB 3.0 ports, *despite* the fact that they should be quite backwards-compatible. 16:12 <@critch> Dagmar: at the 13 min mark, your head will explode, https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript 16:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Birth & Death of JavaScript Destroy All Software Talks (at www.destroyallsoftware.com) 16:14 <@evilpig> Dagmar: I just want to be able to check the status of the power and control it remotely 16:14 <@evilpig> is that so much to ask? 16:15 <@Bahhumbug> Yes 16:15 * Bahhumbug hides 16:15 <@evilpig> @fire Bahhumbug 16:15 * GateKeeper sets fire to Bahhumbug with the flames of a thousand suns 16:15 <@Bahhumbug> You know... using ones own bots against them is... 16:15 <@Bahhumbug> Well.. 16:16 <@Bahhumbug> mean. 16:16 <@evilpig> irony 16:16 <@Bahhumbug> @nuke evilpig 16:16 * GateKeeper launches an overt first-strike comprised of multiple ballistic warheads consisting of MRV payloads at evilpig. Say your prayers, there is no hope. 16:16 <@Bahhumbug> @stab evilpig 16:16 * GateKeeper stabs evilpig in the throat with a rusty K-Bar 16:16 <@Bahhumbug> @shoot evilpig 16:16 * GateKeeper tests wind and humidity conditions, adjusts for range, lines up the crosshairs, takes the shot, watches evilpig drop dead from a perfect head shot 16:16 <@Bahhumbug> Take that. 16:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> @aestetix_ evilpig 16:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> Ohh I figured you made that a trigger 16:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 16:24 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has left #se2600 [] 16:24 <@Bahhumbug> I can't think of a likely candidate for such a thing. 16:25 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm... 16:26 <@Bahhumbug> @alias add aestetix kick #se2600 aestetix "User requested" 16:26 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command 16:26 <@Bahhumbug> Have at it. 16:29 <@Dagmar> Why not just add "penis" as a command for a self-kick. 16:32 <@Dagmar> nemo: UNINSTALL IT WHILE YOU STILL CAN 16:33 <@evilpig> what's he need to uninstall? 16:33 <@Bahhumbug> @alias remove aestetix 16:33 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command 16:33 <@Bahhumbug> @alias add penis kick #se2600 aestetix "User requested" 16:33 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command 16:33 <@Bahhumbug> @penis 16:34 <@Dagmar> Oh it *has* to have an @ in front of it? 16:35 <@Bahhumbug> I can make it a messageparser trigger but that gets messy. 16:35 <@Bahhumbug> @alias add penis kick #se2600 aestetix_ "User requested" 16:35 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command 16:35 <@Bahhumbug> stupid tails 16:35 <@Bahhumbug> @penis 16:35 -!- aestetix_ was kicked from #se2600 by GateKeeper [User requested] 16:35 <@brimstone> @penis 16:35 <@brimstone> i don't have op capability? 16:35 <@evilpig> haha foiled by non-authentication 16:36 -!- GateKeeper was kicked from #se2600 by brimstone [op capability this] 16:36 -!- GateKeeper [~gatekeepr@serentos/support/bot] has joined #se2600 16:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o GateKeeper] by ChanServ 16:36 <@evilpig> personally I think it would be funnier to have it kick anyone that says penis. 16:39 <@Bahhumbug> @dick 16:39 -!- brimstone was kicked from #se2600 by GateKeeper [Bahhumbug] 16:39 <@Bahhumbug> @alias remove dick 16:39 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command 16:39 <@Bahhumbug> @alias remove aestetix 16:39 <@Bahhumbug> @alias remove penis 16:39 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command 16:39 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 16:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 16:40 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.61.93] has joined #se2600 16:50 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 16:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 16:52 <@Dagmar> What is with this dude's speech impediment and "yavascript" 16:54 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:01 <@Bahhumbug> Anyone watching this? 17:01 <@Bahhumbug> @trakttv tv the bridge 17:01 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: The Bridge (2013) (2013) :: A present-day crime thriller exploring the tensions on the US-Mexico border. When an American judge known for her anti-immigration views is found dead on the bridge connecting El Paso and Juarez, Sonya Cross from El Paso PD must work with her Mexican counterpart from Chihuahua State Police, Marco Ruiz, to catch a serial killer operating on both sides of the border. (2 more messages) 17:02 <@evilpig> Bahhumbug: i've heard good things, but no i'm not 17:03 <@Bahhumbug> Just had someone highly recommend it. 17:03 <@Bahhumbug> I'm watching far too much shit to take on yet another show, however. 17:03 <@Bahhumbug> I might grab all the back episodes and marathon it sometime or something. 17:11 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: I blame you... " mail from @isis.v.e or @dre.v.e  will be seen as "external" and thus be tagged as such.  " ... Its your fault for not being responsible for this anymore... and such letting them make such a stupid move/decision 17:12 <@Dagmar> Don't worry, I intend to mock them 17:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 17:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> well thats good at least 17:15 -!- aestetix_ [~aestetix@173.203.197.247] has joined #se2600 17:15 < aestetix_> haha 17:15 <@Dagmar> Tomorrow night I'm sending a mail with the subject line "[LooksLegit] SEND US UR PASSWURDS PLS" 17:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> .... 17:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe 17:16 <@Dagmar> ...but I expect rather a number of people will be unhappy with the subject line tampering. 17:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> I was thinking the same but "[YourBoss] Please delete the work you were doing yesterday, I'll explain in a staff meeting tomorrow" 17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> but hell... yours might actually be a good test to see if anyone is stupid enough to send you them 17:18 <@Dagmar> Oh I'm *quite* sure I could phish the university, but I'm not about to 17:18 <@Dagmar> People are damn stupid 17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> so what about my emails I send from my gmail account tagged with my vandy email 17:18 <@Dagmar> All I'd have to find is one more carelessly unfiltered listserv, and fire an email through it 17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats are going to be on the list too :/ 17:19 < aestetix_> penis 17:19 < aestetix_> hmm 17:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: .... 5$ says they screw up replies... and put [External][External][External][External][External][External][External][External][External][External][External][External][External][External][External][External] RE: Planned meeting 17:20 <@Dagmar> Keep in mind that if you send 10,000 people emails talking about how you'll never ask for their username and particularly their password to fix email problems, about 40 of them are going to send you their username and password in the reply 17:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> OR you could have great fun trolling them... put [External] in your subject line to start, and complain to them, asking why it got added 17:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehehe 17:21 <@Bahhumbug> @help messageparser add 17:21 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: (messageparser add [|global] ) -- Associates with . is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. Action is echoed upon regexp match, with variables $1, $2, etc. being interpolated from the regexp match groups. 17:22 <@Bahhumbug> @messageparser add #se2600 penis "kick #se2600 aestetix aestetix_" 17:22 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command 17:22 <@Bahhumbug> penis 17:23 <@Bahhumbug> Damn. Stop eecution on error. 17:23 <@Bahhumbug> @messageparser add #se2600 penis "kick #se2600 aestetix_" 17:23 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command 17:23 <@Bahhumbug> penis 17:23 -!- aestetix_ was kicked from #se2600 by GateKeeper [Bahhumbug] 17:23 <@Bahhumbug> There ya go, evilpig. 17:25 * RangerZ|Laptop golf-claps 17:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> don't forget vagina 17:27 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 17:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:41 -!- aestetix_ [~aestetix@173.203.197.247] has joined #se2600 17:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: you still going to say penis all the time? 17:45 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45 <@Bahhumbug> @messageparser remove #se2600 penis "kick #se2600 aestetix_" 17:45 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: messageparser remove [|global] [--id] ] 17:45 <@Bahhumbug> @messageparser list #se2600 17:45 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: "penis" (2) 17:45 <@Bahhumbug> @messageparser remove 2 17:45 <@Bahhumbug> @messageparser remove #se2600 2 17:46 <@Bahhumbug> I need sleep. 17:46 <@Bahhumbug> @messageparser remove #se2600 penis 17:46 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command 17:47 < Ignotus-sdf> hodor. 17:48 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:52 < aestetix_> man today is fired 17:52 < aestetix_> people do not understand "one emergency at a time" 17:52 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 17:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 17:54 < Ignotus-sdf> Irony Alert: Securing a company's firewalls and entry points to ridiculous levels, only to see them wiped out by angry developers through the very singular secured pipes they wanted. Maybe they should have stuck with the Chinese brute forcing. 18:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: did snowden kill assassinated? that would really suck for HOPE 18:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 18:18 <@sasquatc4> was someone talking about limelight in here yesterday? 18:18 <@evilpig> shitty club in nashville? 18:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> shittier club in pitt? 18:18 <@sasquatc4> the opensource nvidia streaming app 18:19 <@brimstone> ok cdn? 18:19 <@Dagmar> I wasn't aware there *was* a Limelight in Nashville 18:20 <@sasquatc4> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.limelight&hl=en 18:20 <@Dagmar> Oh wait... that's the "pack the fuckers in like sardines" place 18:20 <@evilpig> I was about to say yeah you do 18:20 <@brimstone> how else should you pack fuckers? 18:20 <@evilpig> it's over there by teh days inn 18:20 <@evilpig> and that should say everything you need to know abou tit 18:20 <@Dagmar> Yeah I've been there for a few shows 18:21 <@Dagmar> I will not show up unless someone I know is running the gig 18:24 < aestetix_> that was lots of not fun 18:24 < aestetix_> someone decided to start moving processes over to upstart 18:24 < aestetix_> without telling me 18:24 < aestetix_> and moved it wrong 18:24 <@brimstone> gross 18:24 <@brimstone> upstart is gross 18:24 < aestetix_> one of our systems rebooted for various reasons 18:24 <@brimstone> systemd is worse 18:24 < aestetix_> and the incorrectly configured upstart took priority and prevented my scripts from running 18:24 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24 < aestetix_> that was really fucking annoying 18:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 18:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 18:26 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 18:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 18:27 < aestetix_> I wish when that happened it would be on a dev system nobody cared about 18:27 < aestetix_> and not a critical production system 18:27 < aestetix_> and to top it all off, someone just DMed me on twitter with a google plus question 18:28 <@Bahhumbug> Why do you let idiots fuck with productions boxes / services? 18:29 <@evilpig> idiots are everywhere! 18:29 <@Bahhumbug> Ain't that the truth. 18:30 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: because I'm too busy getting the systems to not crash all the time to deal with access control 18:30 < aestetix_> the joys of a startup 18:30 <@brimstone> i don't know if i'd call them joys... 18:30 < aestetix_> on the plus side, hot interns 18:31 <@evilpig> pics or shens 18:31 < aestetix_> we need a massage therapist intern 18:33 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @brimstone, @kive, @brookshire, @shapr, InfoSecDog, aestetix_, @Dagmar, @northrup, dc0de, @rattle, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:33 -!- Netsplit over, joins: brookshire 18:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brookshire] by ChanServ 18:33 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dc0de 18:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nightcarnage 18:36 -!- aestetix_ [~aestetix@173.203.197.247] has joined #se2600 18:36 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 18:36 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@ec2-54-225-52-188.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #se2600 18:36 -!- strages_ [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qnajswlzarefruxn] has joined #se2600 18:36 -!- northrup [northrup@link.8bitwizard.net] has joined #se2600 18:36 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has joined #se2600 18:36 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yxbpvqcwafzxtdlp] has joined #se2600 18:36 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+oooo rattle northrup Dagmar EnabrinTain] by morgan.freenode.net 18:36 -!- kive [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-abiaorevifhggmko] has joined #se2600 18:36 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o kive] by morgan.freenode.net 18:36 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@jool.in.the.narro.ws] has joined #se2600 18:36 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@jool.in.the.narro.ws] has quit [Changing host] 18:36 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 18:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 18:38 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 18:38 -!- ladymerl1n [ladymerlin@mail.bbis.us] has joined #se2600 18:38 -!- Guest85197 [~diz@c-76-22-170-8.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 18:38 -!- diz [~diz@c-76-22-170-8.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:38 -!- ladymerlin [ladymerlin@mail.bbis.us] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 18:38 -!- diz is now known as Guest7699 18:40 <@Bahhumbug> Keep idiots off the systems and they crash less. Win win. 18:42 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.61.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:42 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 18:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 18:45 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: indeed 18:47 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@96-36-235-28.static.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> "Please do not integrate our code as a library project. Please write your own scanner app and reuse pieces if you need to. We did not open source it for you to clone this way. " 19:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> umm... I'm pretty sure thats what the fuck it DOES mean when you open source a project 19:09 < aestetix_> how did they open source it? 19:11 <@Bahhumbug> Just because something is open source doesn't mean it's freely licensed. 19:12 < aestetix_> That said, I can't see why anyone would not like libraries. 19:12 < aestetix_> Unless they are amazon 19:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> Apache License                           Version 2.0 19:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> zxing barcode scanner 19:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> which _is_ distributed as a library 19:16 <@brimstone> you can't use zxing as a library? 19:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> i dunno, its a StackOverflow quote https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8340875/integrate-zxing-qr-code-scanner-without-installing-barcode-scanner#comment10306822_8352108 19:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: android - Integrate ZXing QR code scanner without installing BarCode Scanner - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com) 19:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> perhaps he didn't like how it was being done... but 'ehh' 19:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> as long as the resulting app was following apache 2.0.... 19:17 < aestetix_> well ask the important question 19:17 < aestetix_> does he have a bigger gun than you? 19:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'm not a libertarian, so those kinds of thoughts don't enter my mind, except when dealing with girls' dads/brothers/ex-b/fs 19:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> i assume the cops' guns will shoot them, and perhaps a few people who 'question their authority' but ehh 19:18 < aestetix_> why do you keep calling me a libertarian 19:19 < aestetix_> I like government, just limited government 19:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c you claimed to be a while ago 19:19 < aestetix_> no I didn't 19:19 < aestetix_> you labeled me as one 19:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> do you believe in the dept. of education? 19:21 < aestetix_> no 19:21 < aestetix_> I'm a big fan of education at the local and state level though 19:24 <@Bahhumbug> That falls flat when you have places like AL, MS and similar states that don't really give a fuck about education. 19:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> then you're a libertarian 19:25 <@Bahhumbug> At least not primary education. 19:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> its one of the few single dividing questions in all of American politics, if you don't believe in Dept. of Education, you are a libertarian 19:26 <@Bahhumbug> Generalize much? 19:26 < aestetix_> How about 19:26 < aestetix_> I don't believe in the current implementation 19:27 < aestetix_> that relies on money and test scroes 19:27 < aestetix_> scores 19:27 < aestetix_> Or schools that are forced to change their curriculum to force students to purchase expensive textbooks, etc 19:27 <@Bahhumbug> If the Dept/Education hired, and I realize how novel of a concept this is, educators instead of business people things might be a little better. 19:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: thats ALL state level 19:27 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: if that happened, I might be a little more open to it. 19:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> fed. gov't is NOT forcing adoption of common core 19:28 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: money, test scores, or textbooks? 19:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is all 3 19:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> fed. gov't just set min. requirements, each state was able to reach those however they wanted 19:29 <@Bahhumbug> I wish you two gentlemen luck with this conversation; this topic hits close to home and pisses me off so I'm gonna go do other things. 19:29 * Bahhumbug & 19:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is how our federalist nation should be setup, just because of money in politics... we were 'lucky' enough to have the clusterfuck we have now 19:30 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: sorry 19:30 < aestetix_> uh 19:30 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: do recall that we have the bill of rights because of the anti-federalists 19:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> do recall thats not true, the federalists also wanted the bill of rights 19:31 < aestetix_> Which is why they wrote it into the constitution. 19:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep, they did, the amendment process 19:32 < aestetix_> But it wasn't there originally. 19:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> nope, nor should it be 19:32 < aestetix_> Why not have article 8, bill of rights 19:32 < aestetix_> Maybe we should just get rid of states altogether :) 19:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> because it doesn't have anything to do with the mechanics of the gov't runs 19:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> of how* 19:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you try to include ALL the 'rights' into the core constition, you get a longer and longer document 19:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> notice how the US constition is orders of magnitude than the next shortest state constitution 19:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> god damn it 19:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> orders of mag. shorter* 19:42 < aestetix_> "Just in: NSA confirms to me it has copies of Edward Snowden's e-mails during his time as a contractor, but they "are exempt from release."" 19:42 < aestetix_> https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/487365392415727616 19:42 < aestetix_> http://thedesk.matthewkeys.net/2014/07/nsa-says-snowden-emails-exempt-from-public-disclosure/ 19:47 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: fwiw, I highly doubt that all the corruption in the Dept/Ed is state level. :) 19:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh I doubt much is legally 'corruption' 19:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> but in general, I don't think most non-elected government workers are corrupt, I think the issue stems from those politicians who are elected and therefore are legally bribed with donations 19:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://mayday.us/ http://www.wolf-pac.com/ 19:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 19:57 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mayday PAC (at mayday.us) 20:16 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 20:16 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:16 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 20:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 20:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you want your child to stop sexting, just have all of their texts archived online for you to read, especially pictures 20:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> and to limit their access to the internet 21:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> or.... use white lists to allow who they CAN text 21:13 < Ignotus-sdf> I like that. 21:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> ofcourse you TELL them over-and-over that you are going to do so 21:25 < aestetix_> man they just won't give up 21:25 < aestetix_> http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/politics/republicans-obamacare-sue/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 21:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> they can't 21:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> otherwise they will lose their primaries 21:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> i just hope we can 'force' the republicans into starting impeachment soon 21:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> -_- 21:27 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @brimstone 21:27 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @klixa, @kive, @Catonic, @brookshire, Guest7699, InfoSecDog, aestetix_, @Dagmar, @northrup, frsilent, (+5 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 21:27 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23:28 <@evilpig> just amazed. coworker asks me how to fix something. I give her two different ways. should have been done in 10 minutes even if you just fucked around for 9 of those minutes. an hour after I gave her the fix I got an email from the ticket system saying that she will try what I told her tomorrow --- Log closed Fri Jul 11 00:00:47 2014