--- Log opened Tue Jul 08 00:00:45 2014
00:03 < aestetix_> god that was a chore
00:04 < aestetix_> in the bay area there is the equivalent of a magic pixie girl, in the form of a 30something ditzy tech worker guy
00:07 < aestetix_> I just had to spend an hour entertaining one of them
00:07 < aestetix_> Their range of experience includes video games, childrens books, stuffed animals, and python
00:08 < aestetix_> And they overruse the phrase "super awesome"
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01:01 < aestetix_> http://www.broadstreetreview.com/cross-cultural/Demise_of_Antioch_College
01:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Demise of Antioch College | Broad Street Review (at www.broadstreetreview.com)
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01:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> so FML... I have to move :/
01:10 < aestetix_> I thought that essay was really interesting.
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01:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: so when you go visit russia and snowden for dinner, I hope you enjoy your free proctologist exam upon return ;)
01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe
01:53 <@klixa> i thought snow was in argentina?
01:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah
01:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> he never got there
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> remember the US stopped the plane of the Bolivian ambassador over Europe, just to check to make sure Snowden wasn't in it
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/03/evo-morales-controversial-flight-over-europe-minute-by-heavily-disputed-minute/
01:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Evo Moraless controversial flight over Europe, minute by heavily disputed minute - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com)
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05:05 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: 1. russia is fucking creepy
05:05 < aestetix_> 2. if I went there, I doubt it would be to visit snowden
05:06 < aestetix_> lol
05:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats ok, I'm fine with making the NSA think that you are
05:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> -_-
05:36 < aestetix_> they are too busy keeping count of how many times penis is mentioned in here
07:08 < aestetix_> hmm
07:08 < aestetix_> http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/07/blackberry-explains-the-passport-its-square-tablet-phone-thing/
07:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> I still say the 14" legal pad size is the next "big thing" tech wise, once someone makes a good stylus and a touchpad with software smart enough to allow it to be used as a legal pad
07:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> live-scribe built RIGHT into it
07:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> and if you get accurate enough sensors for touchscreen/stylus, could be used by artists on the go, etc
07:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> but really... students who could take notes, record audio, and then print them off with timestamped info on each page, saying where the prof/teacher was at each page in the audio... would be like Nintendo "it prints money" meme with the DS
07:20 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: especially if you could have the device record the audio while you take notes
07:20 < aestetix_> that could be a really nice study tool
07:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats what the live-scribe does
07:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> it uses micro-dots to tell where you were writing at timestamps, so you can point to a place on the page, and the pen will start the audio at that point
07:46  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
07:50 < aestetix_> man
07:50 < aestetix_> I really hope someone at DHS pulls a Snowden
07:50 < aestetix_> I'd love to see the no-fly list
07:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> court ruled that you have to be told if you are on it
07:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'sorta'
07:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
07:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> like all deicsions lately, you have to read into what it means
07:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
07:51 < aestetix_> was that a court with any jurisdiction over DHS?
07:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, give me a min.
07:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.aclu.org/national-security/court-rules-no-fly-list-process-unconstitutional-and-must-be-reformed
07:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Court Rules No Fly List Process Is Unconstitutional and Must Be Reformed | American Civil Liberties Union (at www.aclu.org)
07:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> google-fu is strong with me today
07:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> first result
07:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
07:56 < aestetix_> so the next question
07:56 < aestetix_> will the DHS bother to obey the order
07:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> eventually
07:58 < aestetix_> couldn't they just wait until another judge overturns it?
07:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
07:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> they can ask for an injunction
07:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> and appeal
08:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if either is denied, (injunction probably wouldn't be for 'due deference' , but who knows...)
08:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> then its the new law of the land, until congress passes something, another judge finds differently, and if 2 find differently, they can do either
08:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is where the SCOTUS is suppose to step in, etc
08:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> and ...apparently... run in the favor of corporations having more rights than living human beings
08:01 < Ignotus_> Corps pay better than we do. :(
08:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> so www.mayday.us raised 7.6M$ in donations to make a super-pac to fight the existence of super-pacs
08:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> lessig's baby
08:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> that he started in honor of Aaron Swartz
08:05 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxUWRRDdhVI
08:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Andrew "weev" Auernheimer talks about TRO LLC on CNBC - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
08:06 <@Bahhumbug> @help ignore
08:06 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: (ignore requires no arguments) -- Does nothing. Useful sometimes for sequencing commands when you don't care about their non-error return values.
08:06 <@Bahhumbug> sigh
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08:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> sadly thats the only useful link he's posted in probably a week
08:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
08:11 <@Bahhumbug> It's a link about a racist douchebag; hardly useful.
08:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes/no
08:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> he's actually presenting himself well
08:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is useful to know about
08:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 'ehh'
08:12 <@Bahhumbug> Fine.  You know about it.  The bot has no need to have anything he links in its logs or be logged on remote servers pulling titles for any of the normal shit he posts.
08:12 <@Bahhumbug> And yes, it sucks.  There are times that he posts useful stuff.
08:12 <@Bahhumbug> But... troll.
08:12  * Bahhumbug shtugs
08:12 <@Bahhumbug> shrugs even
08:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
08:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly, he's just a fucking dick
08:14 < Ignotus_> I think this weev guy is after my time. Is he the rascist douchebag we are referring to?
08:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes
08:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> he's the guy who put in sequential #s into AT&T's web API and got every ipad owners info
08:14 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ|Laptop: Who is a dick?
08:14 <@Bahhumbug> Weev?  Yep.
08:15 < Ignotus_> what did he do with that info?
08:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> then the government went after him on a joke charge of CFABA(or w/e the computer fraud statute is)
08:15 <@Bahhumbug> As much as aestetix_ annoys me (which is of course the whole idea) he's not a dick.
08:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> Ignotus_: the problem was that Weev's case set a REALLY bad president for public API usage
08:16 < Ignotus_> lol. I also noticed he can work the top hat like nobody's business. :)
08:16 <@Dolemite> precedent
08:16 <@evilpig> I wanna be the president of public api usage
08:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> but weev is such a fucking asshat, that not many of the non-legal tech /geek people wanted to stick up for him
08:16 <@evilpig> you can believe i'm gonna make some weird fuckin' laws
08:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> precedent
08:17 <@Dolemite> speaking of APIs, a dev from U Hawaii (not Ross, somebody else) emailed me asking about API last night
08:17 < Ignotus_> yeah, I can see the problem there. on the api part.
08:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> every API should have a secret HTTP GET that runs "rm -rf /" ?
08:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> please tell me you said that
08:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> ;) lol
08:18 < aestetix_> uh
08:18 < aestetix_> wait
08:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell... thats actually not a terrible idea... if you want a self-destructing server , hehe
08:18 < aestetix_> wouldn't that need to be POST?
08:18 < aestetix_> or I guess a DELETE call?
08:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, get
08:18 <@evilpig> he said secret
08:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> so you can call it from a browswer
08:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> browser* even
08:19 <@evilpig> of course it should be get.  unauthenticated too
08:19 < Ignotus_> this might go philosophical, but I hate when open source doesn't secure the holes, and then worse when it fails to be truly open. The whole cathedral and the bazaar thing. (crap. I just dated myself.)
08:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
08:19 < aestetix_> ok let me explain what the word "get" means... :p
08:19 <@Bahhumbug> DAV DELETE
08:19 <@evilpig> aestetix_: we're very clear on it
08:19 <@evilpig> goto bed, you're missing the joke
08:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> we're abusing the API to make it self-destruct
08:19 < aestetix_> I realize that
08:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> then the easiest kill-switch would be get
08:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats all
08:22 <@Bahhumbug> HEAD would be less overhead.
08:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> which actually isn't AS stupid as I meant it to be, when I first said it as a joke
08:23 <@Bahhumbug> You should be able to play tricks and get it to spawn with a head.
08:36 < aestetix_> god
08:36 < aestetix_> I'm watching the prime minster's minutes
08:36 < aestetix_> I would kill for this to happen in congress hre
08:38 < Ignotus_> which PM?
08:38 < aestetix_> http://www.c-span.org/video/?320263-1/british-prime-ministers-questions
08:40 < Ignotus_> yeah, I love watching those. Those folks don't hold back. :)
08:41 <@rattle> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/07/chinese-cyberspies-have-hacked-middle-east-experts-at-major-u-s-think-tanks/
08:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Chinese cyberspies have hacked Middle East experts at major U.S. think tanks - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com)
08:41 < aestetix_> they are really going at it over health care
08:42 < aestetix_> rattle: do you know who Tom Ridge is?
08:42 <@rattle> Never met him in person, but yes.
08:42 < aestetix_> Wanna hear about what happened when I met him at CFP?
08:42 <@rattle> Certainly.
08:43 < Ignotus_> Ah... talking smack about Cymru... he can hump himself.  (Yup, we're Welsh...)
08:43 < aestetix_> (Tom Ridge is the former governor of PA and was the first secretary of DHS)
08:43 < aestetix_> He gave a keynote where he emphasized the value of privacy.
08:43 < aestetix_> They did a Q&A after the keynote, and I basically asked
08:43 < aestetix_> "That was a fantastic speech. But I wonder how someone can give a speech like that who was the head of the DHS?"
08:44 < aestetix_> It basically floored the crowd, and he looked like nobody had asked him a question like that in a long time.
08:44 < Ignotus_> how did that end? I frankly like that question.
08:44 < aestetix_> He gave a non-answer because there is really no good way to answer it.
08:45 < aestetix_> And it's true. I really did like his speech.
08:45 < aestetix_> But I did not like the ironic hypocrisy.
08:45 < aestetix_> rattle: do you think that burned any bridges for me?
08:45 < aestetix_> On the plus side, he *will* remember me.
08:45 <@rattle> shrug.
08:45 < aestetix_> I went up to chat with him afterwards and he said "That was a *really* good question."
08:46 <@rattle> As long as you didn't ask it with a "fuck you" tone, probably not.
08:46 <@rattle> Because it's a legit question..
08:46 < aestetix_> Adversarial, but respectful.
08:46 <@rattle> Then I don't see a problem.
08:46 < aestetix_> Everyone at the conference thought it was great.
08:47 < aestetix_> But yeah. There's no point in asking that with a fuck you tone. Maybe there is a valid explanation for it.
08:48 < aestetix_> rattle: maybe it's me, but it seems like nobody in DC asks questions like that anymore?
08:48 < aestetix_> rattle: also, I assume you're going to HOPE.
08:52 <@rattle> It doesn't appear like I'm going to be making it to HOPE.  I've got a pretty full calendar.  I don't think I can swing it.
08:53 < aestetix_> rattle: you did see who our keynote is, right?
08:55 <@rattle> Frosty the Snowden?
08:55 < aestetix_> haha
08:56 <@rattle> Oh way, I didn't realize I was missing the opportunity to go down to NYC to watch a webcast.  Damn.
08:56 <@rattle> s/way/wow/
08:56 <@rattle> I'm really bummed to be missing out on the giant circle jerk.
08:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> rattle: don't worry, they are going to have him pop out of a cake
08:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> its his big surprise coming home party
08:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
08:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: watch out if you are using skype
08:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently you can DDOS skype users easily, if you know their name
08:59 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: Ellsberg will actually be there in person.
08:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats cruel
08:59 < aestetix_> er rattle
08:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> making him pop out of a cake like that
08:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> he's old you know...
08:59 < aestetix_> haha
09:00 < aestetix_> rattle: you have the same feelings about Ellsberg?
09:02 <@rattle> Depends on how you're interpreting my feelings.  I continue to get a kick out of sitting back and watching this all play out.  I think it's a net positive for the relationship between the people and our security infrastructure, even if I think some of the plays on the team-Snowden side have been naive.
09:03 < aestetix_> rattle: I'm not necessarily pro-Snowden by any means.
09:03 < aestetix_> I am pro free speech though.
09:04 <@rattle> I think many of the plays on the natsec side have been overly reaching as well.  It's all grey by it's own nature.
09:04 < aestetix_> And we have some serious issues in our country right now.
09:05 <@rattle> Oh, I've got no issues with him speaking at all.  As I said, I'm bummed to be missing out on the giant circle jerk.
09:05 < aestetix_> Um.
09:05 < aestetix_> Would you rather go to the party in the desert which is circle jerking from the other side?
09:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> who says he should have to choose
09:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
09:06 <@rattle> Exactly.
09:06 < aestetix_> Hah, that's fair.
09:07 < aestetix_> rattle: DC seems to have a lot of crust around it right now which really, really needs to be scraped off.
09:07 <@rattle> Forcing people like me to "pick a side" is saying you want the problem to get worse.
09:07 < aestetix_> rattle: you're the one who framed it as a circle jerk
09:07 <@rattle> It is.
09:07 <@rattle> On both sides.
09:07 < aestetix_> One thing I will say
09:08 < aestetix_> The NSA is nothing compared to the data brokers, which are the real problem in the US
09:08 <@rattle> And the majority of people in each one has their heads up their own asses, refusing the acknowledge the practical reality of the other.
09:08 < aestetix_> rattle: I'll strongly agree with that.
09:09 < aestetix_> But I'll also point out there's a power imbalance at play.
09:09 <@rattle> When isn't there?
09:09 < aestetix_> It's hard to have a reasonable debate with someone when they have their foot on your head.
09:09 <@rattle> Got any historical precedent for that?
09:10 <@rattle> When is power ever in balance?
09:10 <@rattle> And what would a balance consist of?
09:10 < aestetix_> So can one logically conclude there has never been a time when folks didn't have their heads up their asses?
09:11 <@rattle> I'd argue that by virtue of the fact that all the HOPE attendees are not going to be rounded up and thrown into labor camps as a sign that we're at least getting something right.
09:11 <@rattle> At least in comparison to the other powers you can consent to.  At least we can disagree with this one and not be completely oppressed.
09:11 < aestetix_> rattle: no, but their personal data gets sold from the DMV to places like Axciom that resell it to credit agencies
09:12 <@rattle> And I'm not saying I approve of that.
09:12 <@rattle> Hell, I'm in the business of helping people protect the confidentiality of their data.
09:13 <@rattle> And I'm certainly not someone who's happy with the status quo.
09:13 < aestetix_> So, has there ever been a status quo you were happy with?
09:13 <@rattle> No.
09:13 < aestetix_> Ok. So do you remain unhappy, or try to do something about it?
09:14 <@rattle> Are you trolling me?
09:14 < aestetix_> No.
09:14 < aestetix_> Actually I was gonna use this to point out the list of dissenters on the HOPE website
09:14 <@rattle> Dissenters?
09:14 < aestetix_> I bet when Rose Parks pulled her bus thing, there were a lot of idiot groupies who circle jerked around that
09:15 < aestetix_> http://x.hope.net/dissenters.html
09:15 <@rattle> I don't think you're pinning me the right way here.
09:15 < aestetix_> rattle: ok, how should I be pinning you?
09:21 <@rattle> As someone who actual deals with protecting trillions of dollars and millions of lives, while trying to effect these situations to bend the arc of liberty in the direct direction, and not having the hipster tendency to compare what I do to Lenny Bruce and Emerson.
09:21 <@rattle> s/direct/correct/
09:21 < aestetix_> Emerson?
09:21 < aestetix_> Do you mean Thoreau?
09:21 < Ignotus_> any lack of a "hipster tendency" gives me happies.
09:21 < aestetix_> Most hipsters I've run into love Walden
09:22 < aestetix_> rattle: or are you mocking me because I love Lenny Bruce :p
09:22 < aestetix_> (although I simply admire, I don't self-compare)
09:25 <@rattle> I love Lenny Bruce too.  :)  And Bill Hicks.
09:25 < aestetix_> And carlin.
09:25 <@rattle> But comparing them to Snowden is exactly what I mean by a circle jerk.
09:25 < aestetix_> Who the fuck does that?
09:25 < aestetix_> That's really stupid
09:26 <@rattle> You just did!!  That dissenters thing you just posted!!!!
09:26 < aestetix_> oh heh
09:26 < aestetix_> No, I was simply recognizing dissenters
09:26 < aestetix_> They were dissenters who stood up against something they disagreed with.
09:26 < aestetix_> Snowden did that too. I don't fully agree with him, but I do agree he dissented.
09:27 <@rattle> And the thing is, much of the community present at HOPE is more concerned with voicing their anger and comparing themselves to "dissenters" to feel better about themselves then they are about actually effecting positive change.
09:27 < aestetix_> rattle: I think it's less self-comparison, and more looking at what others have done to learn.
09:27 < Ignotus_> dissenters? I'll take Boudica for $800, Alex...
09:27 <@rattle> Getting close to power, gaining it's trust, and trying to effect it's direction is HARD.  A lot harder than sitting on twitter and rattling off Chomsky quotes about how bad the power is.
09:28 < aestetix_> Uh.
09:28 <@rattle> And I'm not trying to talk shit on you here.  You tend to have an open mind about the reality of this stuff and have insightful comment.
09:28 < aestetix_> That's acting as a repeater, not actually understanding what they are about.
09:29 < aestetix_> (and I'll agree that Chomsky can be annoying)
09:29 < aestetix_> Whereas I think Lenny Bruce and Arthur Miller, for example, were really amazing.
09:29 < aestetix_> I'd say the same about Ellsberg.
09:29 < aestetix_> I don't think we've seen the full effects of Snowden's actions yet.
09:29 < Ignotus_> What do you think they might be?
09:30 < Ignotus_> (true request for opinion, not trolling)
09:30 < aestetix_> Ignotus_: of Snowden? that is *really* complicated.
09:30 < aestetix_> Ignotus_: the first question I'd ask is "who benefits and who loses"
09:30 <@rattle> I agree.  It's really complicated.
09:30 < Ignotus_> yeah, I'm split in several areas on it and a former army guy.
09:30 < Ignotus_> and =as
09:31 <@rattle> There are up-sides and down-sides, and the ramifications of many of them are not going to be clear for years.
09:31 < aestetix_> But yeah. Hearing some idiot calling black people niggers and then saying "oh I'm like lenny bruce" is really fucking stupid.
09:31 <@rattle> And I acknowledge it's easy for someone like me to sit around and criticize what they've disclosed and how they've disclosed it when I'm not in their position.
09:32 < aestetix_> rattle: which is why I'm *really* interested to see what questions Dan Ellsberg will ask Snowden.
09:32 < aestetix_> Since Ellsberg has been thinking about this topic for longer than Snowden has been alive.
09:33 < aestetix_> In the short term, there's the "end the war" and "end the surveillance state". In the long term, destroying the public's trust in government may really help free market capitalists who hate regulation.
09:33 < Ignotus_> I *really* need to research this more. I came into it late, so I only really have the "NSA spied on you, this is how, I'm tellin' everybody" story.
09:33 < aestetix_> Which is where the "Snowden is trying to undo the long term effects of the New Deal" theory comes into play
09:34 < aestetix_> rattle: you familiar with that theory?
09:34 < Ignotus_> I have a severe lack of trust in damn near everything to begin with.
09:34 < aestetix_> rattle: also, in "getting close to power, gaining its trust, and trying to change direction" you forgot "and not getting corrupted by it"
09:38 <@rattle> Yeah, that's actually one of by big concerns.
09:38 < aestetix_> Which?
09:39 <@rattle> If we can't trust the government, it shifts power to the wealthy.
09:39 < aestetix_> Yep!
09:39 < aestetix_> Which works out really well for corporations getting held back by regulations.
09:40 < aestetix_> You do know Snowden is a registered libertarian, right? :)
09:40 <@rattle> Or another way to look at it..  If people revoke consent to the government hold power over them, by default the power is taken by the wealthy.  And typically oligarchy like power doesn't respect people as much as power governed by rule of law.
09:40 <@rattle> That's kind of the basis of democracy and representative government.
09:41 <@rattle> How do you register as a libertarian?  Isn't that an oxymoron?
09:41 < aestetix_> rattle: one other thing comes into play
09:41 < aestetix_> yeah lol
09:41 < aestetix_> We've shifted a lot of stuff to the federal level over the last few decades
09:41 < aestetix_> Which people feel powerless to control
09:42 < aestetix_> So now DC is stuck doing everything for the whole country, and everyone is unhappy
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09:51 < aestetix_> rattle: of course, I've also been in the bay area too fucking long.
09:58 < aestetix_> hell yes nyc
09:58 < aestetix_> http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/07/health/new-york-medical-marijuana/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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11:12 <@Dagmar> Well, http://www.wirelessoemshop.com/servlet/the-1744/URGE-Basics-Premium-Wood/Detail
11:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: URGE Basics Premium Wood Stereo Earbuds 3.5mm (at www.wirelessoemshop.com)
11:12 <@Dagmar> It's not often you see someone willing to admit they're selling earbuds made of wood
11:18 < Ignotus_> wonder if they float.
11:19 <@evilpig> I need an arduino or a pi connected to a simple circuit on/off state that will control a shock collar like you'd put on a dog
11:19 <@evilpig> we have a "engineer" in the NY office that is really starting to piss me off
11:21 < frsilent> ^funny I was just talking about my "engineer" coworker; I don't think he actually went to an accredited school for that degree
11:21 < Ignotus_> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10194/creating-a-4-player-electric-shock-game <== maybe like this?
11:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: gpio - Creating a 4 player electric shock game - Raspberry Pi Stack Exchange (at raspberrypi.stackexchange.com)
11:22 <@evilpig> this motherfucker....
11:22 <@evilpig> "why is lldp only showing me one connection are you sure the cable is connected to the other?"
11:22 <@evilpig> me:  ifconfig eth3 up
11:22 <@evilpig> me: what do you see now?
11:23 <@evilpig> "oh there it is, did you have to reconnect the cable?"
11:23 < frsilent> rofl
11:23 <@evilpig> these are the times when a remote shock collar would come in hand
11:23 <@evilpig> handy
11:25 < frsilent> mine's worse =( iOS developer that talks about optimizing code clock cycles but appends arbitrary data to the json I give him because he doesn't know how to wrap something in an NSObject
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11:25 < frsilent> ie there's a two keys, an "is_boolean" & "boolean_value"
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11:27 < frsilent> or gets upset because we tell him we're not going to install ftp on the production server for him to upload his configuration files
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11:35 < aestetix_> well I finally figured out why rsync wasn't working
11:35 < aestetix_> I forgot to include what files to send
11:35 <@evilpig> it wasn't installed/?
11:35 < Ignotus_> I've already had my shock collar moment with meminfo today.
11:35 < aestetix_> I was doing rsync -options server:
11:35 < aestetix_> instead of rsync -options * server:
11:39 < Ignotus_> am I the only asshat using i3?
11:39 <@brimstone> the window manager?
11:39 <@evilpig> the processor?
11:39 <@brimstone> the ride?
11:39 <@evilpig> a super secret new version of the internets?
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11:43 < aestetix_> oh boy
11:43 < aestetix_> now that I got rsync working, my backup drive is giving io errors
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11:45 <@brimstone> isn't that how it always is?
11:46 < aestetix_> well
11:46 < aestetix_> I'd rather my backup fail than my main system
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12:09 < Ignotus_> evilpig: you *could* mount that under your "engineers" chair for more impromptu training.
12:23 < aestetix_> aaaaaand this is why not to use keybase.io: https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/160
12:25 < firemouth> anyone here run NTP on their LAN to server local devices?
12:27 < firemouth> i'm lookin to setup a local NTP server instead of having all my devices go out to the internet
12:28 < firemouth> just wondering if anyone had a "this is a good way to do it" aside from just standing up a low resource VM w/ some tiny distro of linux and running ntpd on it
12:30 < aestetix_> jesus
12:30 < aestetix_> "you can upload your secret key, just make sure it's password protected"
12:30 < aestetix_> that is such an abuse of interpretation of that threat model
12:31 < firemouth> aestetix_ yeah its cool if you just FTP it, its password protected bro!  ;)
12:31 < aestetix_> the purpose of password protecting your keys is so that if someone steals your computer, they don't get automatic access to all your stuff :p
12:32 < firemouth> aestetix_ the "purpose" of anything is irrelevant :)  It's what it can or cannot do.
12:32 < firemouth> and thats what will be done with it
12:32 < aestetix_> well sure
12:32 < aestetix_> I have a knife. Its purpose for me is cutting meat. But I could also in theory use it to kill babies.
12:33 < firemouth> my point exactly, it will ultimately be used for something it wasn't intended
12:33 < firemouth> the perfect tool for an application is to make it only work for that application, and nothing else :)  then it wont be abused, lol
12:33 < aestetix_> this is why we have things like documentation
12:34 < firemouth> so nobody will read it? lol
12:34 < firemouth> i wrote up a how to install an upgrade... sent it to everyone in my dept
12:34 < firemouth> they started asking me questions about how to do x y or z
12:34 < firemouth> i promptly showed them the instructions
12:34 < firemouth> these are the same ppl who complain other ppl dont read instructions
12:36 < firemouth> so... NTP
12:37 < aestetix_> firemouth: but in this case, their application makes people less secure, while selling them "security"
12:38 < firemouth> genius!
12:38 < firemouth> ;)
12:40 < aestetix_> oh wow
12:40 < aestetix_> so 1. uploading your private key to them is apparently the default
12:41 < firemouth> lol
12:41 < aestetix_> 2. they have this thing called TripleSec which is apparently a salad of a few algorithms joined to be "more secure
12:41 < firemouth> well rot13 + rot13 + rot13 > rot13
12:42 < aestetix_> it's just
12:42 < aestetix_> god
12:43 < aestetix_> ok so the whole purpose of public key cryptography is that passwords have some major shortcomings
12:43 < aestetix_> uploading your private key to another system that you do not have control over basically makes it worthless
12:44 < aestetix_> and the fact that it's password protected basically means you have a password protected system, cancelling out the benefits of the key
12:45 < aestetix_> the one shortcoming of private key (besides keysize, don't use 1024 bit) is that if the system its on gets compromised, you're fucked, which is the purpose of making it password protectable
12:45 < aestetix_> so this system is basically teaching people how to have the illusion of public key security while not actually having any benefits of it
12:46 < firemouth> yeah but... keys are so _hard_ to use... my password of lolzcatsr0ck is so much easier to remember
12:47 < aestetix_> then don't fucking use keys
12:47 < aestetix_> this is like "I keep my gun loaded because I keep forgetting how  to unload it.... what could possibly go wrong"
12:50 < aestetix_> Or "safety gloves are too hard to put on, and I need to plug these wires into the circuit breaker for my house.... "
12:50 < aestetix_> firemouth: have I made the point? :p
13:01 <@Mirage> Everyone in the office got branded stress toys today, so I felt it approriate to send this link out to everyone in my group..=)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUG-5kLRjeY
13:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mystery Men (3/10) Movie CLIP - Mr. Furious Holds Back (1999) HD - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:03 <@Mirage> 11:45 < aestetix_> " the one shortcoming of private key (besides keysize, don't use 1024 bit)"
13:04 <@Mirage> aestetix_: I totally agree..1024 bit keys are too large and make the handshake take much too long.....that's why i stick with 128 bit keys.
13:04 <@Mirage> =)
13:04 < aestetix_> lol
13:05 < aestetix_> so yeah
13:05 < aestetix_> I consider keybase.io to be a security threat
13:11 < firemouth> lol
13:11 < firemouth> sorry i forgot to use my <sarcasm> tag ;)
13:12 <@Mirage> Early Paul Reubens (~11 min in) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db9Y7i-zTJY
13:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: 1977 Gong Show--Pee Wee Herman - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:12 < aestetix_> firemouth: I had to stop thinking about it because it was making me angry
13:12 < firemouth> stupid ppl will always do stupid things no matter how stupid it is
13:12 < firemouth> acceptance is the first step
13:12 <@Mirage> So bad it's actually kind of good...which is on par with most of his stuff. Running the cusp between stupid/funny and just plain stupid.
13:12 < aestetix_> now I was just trying to figure out what net benefit companies like tumblr and stumbleupon bring to society
13:13 < firemouth> keep the muggles pacified when they can't drink?
13:13 < firemouth> pacified / entertained
13:15 <@evilpig> Mirage: how does it compare to his one man theater show?
13:15 < aestetix_> maybe evilpig can answer
13:15 < aestetix_> what net benefit does tumblr bring society?
13:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> obviously it pays evilpig so that he doesn't have to live off his web-coding skills
13:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats a great service to humanity
13:16 < aestetix_> haha
13:16 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: he could be a paid employee of phreaknic
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13:22 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home never answered my question about ass pimples
13:23 <@Corydon76-home> Would you ask it again, so I can ignore it again?
13:24 < aestetix_> It seems that I have used up my quota of "shameless" questions for the month
13:24 < Ignotus_> Welp, I see Her Highness has entered the room...
13:26 <@evilpig> Ignotus_: aestetix_ has been here all morning
13:26 <@Dolemite> Well, yay, there went half of a day.
13:26 <@evilpig> Dolemite: too much cheese?
13:26 <@Dolemite> VESDA detector went off this morning.  Just now getting back to my desk.
13:28 < Ignotus_> lol!
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13:36 <@Dolemite> We have some construction work going on in the second floor data center, but nothing that should have set it off.  We're getting the FPE group to check the whole system out.
13:38 < aestetix_> so
13:38 < aestetix_> firemouth: supporting your stupidity hypothesis: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad
13:45 < Ignotus_> normally I force myself to have a clean mouth... but... what.the.fuck? Did I really just read that?
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13:56 <@Mirage> Ignotus_: that's so old that even my manager at work has seen it
13:56 <@evilpig> Mirage: apparently it hadn't mound the rounds in the NY office yet
13:56 <@evilpig> it's circulating like wildfire now
14:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: I would actually agree that uploading 'private' keys is bad, but I would like to see a 'part of secret key' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir's_Secret_Sharing
14:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Shamir's Secret Sharing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
14:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you could have a public posting of 1 part of a secret key, then I think thats great
14:15 <@evilpig> http://tumblr.tastefullyoffensive.com/post/67208530500/dirds-dogs-birds-previously-celebrities    the last one.  damn.  it actually made me chuckle
14:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tastefully Offensive on Tumblr, Dirds (Dogs + Birds) Previously: Celebrities... (at tumblr.tastefullyoffensive.com)
14:18 <@Mirage> evilpig: had 3-4h of entertainment last night.  Brought in a ~.75 in long june bug and released it to the cats.   The big ones are quite durable..
14:18 < aestetix_> penis
14:21 <@Dickie> the other white meat
14:21 <@Dickie> ...or brown meat
14:21 <@Dickie> whatever floats your boat
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14:22 <@evilpig> Mirage: hehe
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14:23 <@evilpig> knowing your cats I'm sure they had a blast with it
14:45 <@Dolemite> Currently looking for a good hiding place under the floor for 3-4 bodies
14:50 <@NotLarry> ok, using some weird ass font in a corporate major incident conference call is unprofessional
14:50 < aestetix_> NotLarry: comic sans?
14:50 <@NotLarry> If only
14:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> wingdings?
14:51 <@NotLarry> Harrington
14:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> or better yet a cursive one
14:52 <@Dolemite> Olde English
14:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> they deserve to die
14:52 <@Dolemite> YE OLDE ENGLISH
14:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> ye old pitchfork and torch time
14:52 < aestetix_> God
14:52 < aestetix_> So many variants of "sexism" and "harassment" on twitter
14:52 < aestetix_> it's impossible to block them all
14:55 <@NotLarry> aestetix_: it is easy iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m string --string "Host: twitter.com" -j DROP
14:55 < aestetix_> lol
14:56 <@NotLarry> Like Ashe said, "got to bock them all!"
14:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> I knew this ugly girl once... who had a bunch of pretty friends... that was her motto at bars...
14:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> she even spelled it right ;)
14:58 < aestetix_> did you fuck hr?
14:58 < Ignotus_> she quoted iptables commands?
14:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> either yes to both, or no to both, but I'll leave that up to aestetix_'s imagination
14:59 <@evilpig> damnit.  that's a no.  RangerZ|Laptop doesn't get laid
14:59 < aestetix_> haha
15:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'sure'
15:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> I might be single, but I'm not Shadow404
15:02 < aestetix_> If someone sticks a dildo in your ass, does that count as getting laid?
15:02 <@brimstone> only if you're lying down
15:02 < aestetix_> So Shadow404 may or may not get laid
15:04 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: if you want to get laid, you should go to church
15:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, I'd rather not get laid then
15:04 < aestetix_> you can always do a skype session with Dickie
15:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> though.... when I was in HS... catholic HS schools WERE nice
15:04 < aestetix_> they still are
15:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> not unless they are 18+
15:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> or 16 in some states
15:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> or 14 in parts of japan
15:05 < aestetix_> and 12 in vatican city
15:05 <@evilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: it's pretty well documented that Shadow404 gets him some.  it's just clad in rubber and he's probably on the receiving end
15:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> evilpig: yet... thats more than you get
15:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> ;)
15:06 <@Dickie> Let's virtualbang
15:06 <@evilpig> if that's the choice, i'll stick with nothing thanks
15:06 < aestetix_> evilpig: like a rubber chicken?
15:06  * evilpig pees on Dickie 
15:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> more like "it came from the armory-rubber suit"
15:07 < aestetix_> I could totally see Shadow404 getting fucked with a rubber chicken
15:09 <@Dickie> I'm no longer interested.
15:11 <@NotLarry> Dickie: ikr, and it happens so quickly
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15:12 <@NotLarry> So, in response to someone saying "don't touch me if I say don't touch me" I said "Umbrella means no."  I don't think I'm on her friends list anymore
15:13 < aestetix_> Ok, so a man is a rapist by default
15:13 < aestetix_> If a man cuts off his penis, is he no longer a rapist?
15:14 < aestetix_> must ask a fauxminit
15:14 <@Dickie> Ha! Boy, gals sure are dumb! Ain't that right, fellas!
15:21 < aestetix_> evilpig: if you're talking to a woman, does that mean you want to have sex with her?
15:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> NotLarry: http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/occult-and-prophetic-messages-in-rihannas-umbrella/ what you said reminded me of this batshit insane crap here
15:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Occult and Prophetic Messages in Rihannas Umbrella (at vigilantcitizen.com)
15:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: if evilpig is, then yes
15:25 <@evilpig> aestetix_: only if she's hot
15:29 < aestetix_> evilpig: would you fuck Angela Lansbury?
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15:30 <@evilpig> no
15:30 < aestetix_> what about william shatner?
15:31 <@evilpig> not even in your dreams
15:31 < aestetix_> mila kunis
15:32 <@evilpig> I'd offer her your still beating heart
15:32 < aestetix_> kinky
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17:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> hale-fucking-luha I don't end up having to move, the building itself is perfectly sound, just the middle breezeway had issues, so they are building temp fix and then we can get back in
17:34 < aestetix_> so RangerZ|Laptop you're an aspiring lawyer type
17:34 < aestetix_> if you report a car as stolen and the police find it, can they have it towed without telling you and then charge you for the towing fee?
17:35 <@Mirage> aestetix_: if they tow a car for any reason and place it in impound, they'll charge you towing fees
17:35 < aestetix_> including it was stolen and you reported it stolen?
17:36 < aestetix_> I could understand that if they called you to let you know, and gave you a window to come pick it up before they towed it
17:38 <@Mirage> in a small town i could see them being civil about it, but i highly doubt that in any modern metroplitan area your going to get your car back for free.   they may charge a lower rate for storage due to it having been a stolen vehicle
17:38 < aestetix_> so the moral of the story here is do not report your car as stolen?
17:39 < aestetix_> wait wait wait
17:39 < aestetix_> the bit about them letting you know about the car before they tow it is important here
17:39 <@Mirage> moral of the story is don't let your vehicle ever get towed by anyone except AAA...and then only within 150 miles.
17:39 < aestetix_> and how are you supposed to do that if your car has been stolen?
17:40 < aestetix_> by definition that means you are not in control of the car
17:41 <@Mirage> there's this cool thing called google.  if you type in the box the phrase "impound fees for stolen cars" then hit search, lots of articles show up about this and the outrage around it.
17:41 < aestetix_> wow
17:42 < aestetix_> ok so it says the insurance company should cover it
17:42 <@Mirage> should and will are two entirely different things...esp when ins companies are involved.
17:42 < aestetix_> I was unaware of this kind of fee.
17:43 < aestetix_> I wonder how this is legal
17:44 < aestetix_> heh from one article
17:44 < aestetix_> "You will probably be relieved when you get the call that your stolen car has been recovered -- unless you live in San Francisco."
17:46 <@Mirage> aestetix_: this one's awesome.  http://www.myfoxla.com/story/25268834/man-refusing-2nd-round-of-vehicle-impound-fees-after-apparent-error
17:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Man refusing 2nd round of vehicle impound fees - Los Angeles News | FOX 11 LA KTTV (at www.myfoxla.com)
17:46 < aestetix_> https://www.change.org/petitions/state-of-california-stop-impound-fees-for-stolen-vehicles-to-the-victim
17:47 < aestetix_> hmm
17:48 < aestetix_> from one site
17:48 < aestetix_> Ask towing company for proof of claim, as evidenced by a signed contract.
17:48 < aestetix_> File a report with the police, against the towing company, for theft.
17:48 < aestetix_> When the police refuse to take the claim for "theft" on the grounds that they ordered the car to be removed, present the police with the bill for the car's removal.
17:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: yes they can
17:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> from your first question
17:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> because THEY Didn't tow the car
17:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> they hired a company to do it (most likely)
17:55 < aestetix_> that is fucked up
17:56 < aestetix_> this does not increase my respect for law enforcement
17:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> and even if they did, it was probably "to better society" by removing the stolen car from w/e it was
17:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c its probably NOT someplace you want it
17:56 < aestetix_> well
17:56 < aestetix_> they could have done the courtesy of a phone call
17:56 < aestetix_> "hey we found your car come get it or else we'll tow it"
17:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes/no
17:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> depending on CSI , etc
17:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> but ignoring that
17:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
17:57 < aestetix_> so moral of the story is fuck the police
17:57 <@Corydon76-home> I would check with your insurance company whether they might cover the towing fee.
17:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, how dare they find your stolen car
17:57 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: it looks like they will
17:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly, you're just pissed, and throwing it at the wrong people
17:58 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I'd rather they hadn't if they are trying to stick a hidden fee on us
17:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> then be against privatization
17:58 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: no, I'm annoyed because this is illogical and counterproductive.
17:58 < aestetix_> How about being pro-communication
17:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> how it is counter-productive?
17:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> they 'seized' the car
17:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> immediately
17:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> and put your property under safe & key
17:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> just b/c you don't like it, doesn't mean there isn't ANY logic to it
17:59 < aestetix_> it's not that I don't like it
17:59 < aestetix_> I didn't consent to it
17:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> also, do you want every cop to know your cell phone number if your car is stolen?
18:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> or to have it in a big DB?
18:00 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: the phone number is already on the police report
18:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> this is an information security issue, who/when has access/rights/responsabilities to call you
18:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> It isn't black/white
18:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> access controls, etc
18:01 < aestetix_> so the cop who finds it notifies the reports department, who notifies me
18:01 < aestetix_> not that hard
18:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> i agree, BUT thats a separate issue from just towing it (which your insurance probably covers), and THEN calling you, etc
18:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly, its probably done that way b/c imagine how many pissed off people went ranting to the area their car was found at
18:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc
18:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> and how many days passed after they found it?
18:03 < aestetix_> how about this
18:03 < aestetix_> the police make one phone call to the car owner, give them X minutes to get there, if not, then you're SOL
18:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c I agree, that they should have called you either immediately, or, the next morning
18:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> and told you that you can pick it up at the lot
18:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> free of charge
18:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if you think of a car as any other property, you don't tell the original owner where it is and give them 45min to come get their PS4
18:05 <@Corydon76-home> There are a lot of things the police can do without your consent, because they're law enforcement officers, not your personal assistants
18:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc
18:05 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I don't think that's a fair comparison
18:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm going from the point that the tow should be free
18:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> and that you should be called the next morning
18:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> (if found after 6pm)
18:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> but we've privatized all that non-sense
18:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> so your insurance rates are high, b/c the insurance company has to cover fees to private companies for doing what city employees should be doing on salary
18:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> again, how many days ago did they find your car?
18:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> more than 2?
18:08 <@Corydon76-home> You're paying for the tow no matter what, whether it's to the insurance company in terms of insurance premiums, to the city in the form of taxes, or directly to the tow operator.  Guess which one will save you the most over the long term.
18:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c I'll agree with you , thats not acceptable
18:09 <@Bahhumbug> tl;dr
18:09 <@Bahhumbug> Why was your car towed?
18:09 <@Bahhumbug> Just out of curiousity?
18:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> it was stolen
18:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> and the cops towed it when they found it
18:09 <@Bahhumbug> Oh.  Sucks to be whomever.
18:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: 's car
18:09 <@Bahhumbug> Sucks to be aestetix_.
18:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> generally true ;)
18:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> so get this... I've abstracted away all the logic in Android Content Providers (which is generally one of the hardest things to write _properly_ for new developers to a set of interfaces that they have to implement that describes the content to be stored
18:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> the code is pretty much beautiful compared to the garbled mess that they teach people to write, and the actual system apps use
18:12 <@Corydon76-home> Are you going to contribute it back upstream, then?
18:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> not yet, going to use it for class HWs, first
18:13 < RangerZ|Laptop>   yeah, eventually
18:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> gonna have the guy who wrote the java concurrency library take a look at it too
18:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> "crossing the i's and dotting the t's" type of thing
18:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm also thinking of doing a series of youtube videos explaining them, and the software patterns used, and other things
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18:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> though I can't decide if I like a static descriptor class containing many static classes/variables , or a static file with a helper class containing a TON of static long ass switch statements for each URI possibility
18:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> OR the idea I'm playing with right now... using reflection to dynamically create the data once, then caching it so that at runtime its as fast as standard method invocations
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18:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> and then you don't even need to change the switch statements EVER
18:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> and using an inner class for every table in the DB, that implements an interface
18:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> and using that interface to make the reflection not cost much more than a few method calls once per Content Provider init
18:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> IE: Slightly easier readability at the cost of a lot more code, but code that has to be maintained, or slightly more complex logic, with slight bootstrapping cost, but can be library'ed up, and removed from dev concerns... :/
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19:58 <@evilpig> http://i.4cdn.org/b/1404863285899.jpg
19:58 <@evilpig> hahaha
19:59 <@evilpig> best image evar
20:00 <@evilpig> the trend continues.  http://i.4cdn.org/b/1404863945663.png
20:05 <@NotLarry> Ok, I'm just gonna repeat there here and go...
20:05 <@NotLarry> How many people are upset right now? About a Brazilian.
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21:12 <@brimstone> does esxi have a web ui?
21:12 <@brimstone> or is that only esx proper?
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22:03 <@Dagmar> evilpig: You know the 404 images rotate, right?
22:05 <@Dagmar> Also... http://sadbrazilians.tumblr.com/
22:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sad Brazilians (at sadbrazilians.tumblr.com)
22:05 <@Dagmar> :)
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23:12 <@Dagmar> "I've configured phpMyAdmin so anyone can run SQL queries on their own. Enjoy! ? Dispenser 5:04 pm, Today (UTC?7)"
23:15 <@Dagmar> ^-- that was on Wikipedia
23:15 <@Dagmar> Luckily, responsible adults intervened
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