--- Log opened Sun Jun 29 00:00:37 2014 00:24 < aestetix> PhreakNIC is in a new hotel? 00:37 < RangerZ1> aestetix: yep 00:37 < RangerZ1> this one is an even worse area than the old ones 00:38 < aestetix> is the hotel condemned? 00:38 < RangerZ1> no, its a really nice hotel... just shitty area 00:38 < aestetix> aww 00:38 < aestetix> So do you have to submit fingerprints in advance for the entry scanner? 00:39 <@NotLarry> Is it in a shitty area? 00:39 < aestetix> You know, to keep the locals out 00:39 < RangerZ1> that was my understanding 00:40 < RangerZ1> Dagmar knows better than I 00:40 <@NotLarry> Like I need another bike stolen. 00:40 < RangerZ1> thats your first problem 00:40 < RangerZ1> having a bike 00:40 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENt0VRCcdnw there you go aestetix 00:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Finally - A Way To Have Sex With Your iPad! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:41 <@Dagmar> That we can somewhat fix with heavy-duty security cables 00:41 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: didn't you say the area around maxwell house was bad ? 00:45 <@Dagmar> A bit 00:45 <@Dagmar> Go out there and fire up Layar (during the day) and look 01:00 <@Dagmar> Oh sheeet 01:00 <@Dagmar> I may be in the WoD alpha 01:01 <@Dagmar> So... it only makes sense that the charater copier is down 01:02 <@Dagmar> lol 01:02 <@Dagmar> Totes McReasonable reporting... 01:19 <@NotLarry> RangerZ1: I got 99 problems and having a bike ain't one of them... 01:19 <@Dagmar> gaaahh 01:19 <@Dagmar> Terrorists have stolen my WoWB-64.exe! 01:20 <@NotLarry> it is after midnight right? 01:21 <@Dagmar> Yes 01:26 < RangerZ1> 99? 01:26 < RangerZ1> you got rid of most of your problems? 01:27 <@Bahhumbug> heh 01:28 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip68-107-30-43.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:30 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip68-107-30-43.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 01:36 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: ...] 01:39 < RangerZ1> so :/ 01:39 < RangerZ1> Probably going to post my 2nd bedroom for a roomate 01:40 < RangerZ1> don't want to... but can't afford to not do so 01:53 < aestetix> jesus 01:53 < aestetix> is everyone broke these days? 01:53 <@Dagmar> Aim high first. Look for a Swedish exchange student into pre-PhysEd 01:54 < RangerZ1> i'm thinking russian exchange student 01:55 < RangerZ1> that way less likely to know English 01:55 < RangerZ1> lol 01:55 < RangerZ1> actually at that rate it would best to go Chinese, which are great when it comes to written English 01:56 < RangerZ1> but are just insane when it comes to spoken, most are .... shall we say... less than efficient 01:59 < RangerZ1> but aestetix, you gotta remember, I'm not on a "normal" pay sitution 01:59 < RangerZ1> hell... Vandy pays 2.5x more than most other grad schools from what I've seen 02:50 < RangerZ1> honestly, at this point, I wouldn't know what to do with 60k/year, lol 02:51 < RangerZ1> other than work 3~4 years, and pay off all my debts 02:51 <@Dagmar> So... I'm definitely in teh WoD alpha 02:51 < RangerZ1> obviously thats not realistic , lol, and I'm going to go for a job that pays more than that when I get out of here 02:51 < RangerZ1> WoD? 02:52 <@Dagmar> Warlords of Draenor 02:52 < RangerZ1> ahh 02:52 <@Dagmar> Considering they activated it for long-time accountholders in the beta programs and stuff, Wilpig probably is as well, as will be Mirage 02:52 <@Dagmar> I have forgotten how to play this shit 02:53 <@Dagmar> Charcopy is down so I had to make a pre-made 90 hunter (dwarves are 95% more wrinkly now) and spend 10 minutes doing the Midsummer Fire Festival quests so I'd have some money 02:53 <@Dagmar> ...then noticed the premades come with 10,000 gold. 02:54 <@Dagmar> Went wandering all around the place going "I'm sure they've left a strong hint somewhere around here how to get to the new area" 02:54 <@Dagmar> I kept walking right past said breadcrumb 02:54 <@Dagmar> Right at the entrace to Stormwind is a 40-foot tall Archmage Khadgar 02:55 <@Dagmar> I thought it was just some player screwing araound because it's the PTR 02:55 <@Dagmar> I have a stick that can summon a guy that looks just like him 02:55 <@Dagmar> I finally recgonized the name Khadgar 02:55 <@Dagmar> ...of "Khadgar's Whiskers" the harvestable flower 02:56 <@Dagmar> When a mage has lived to long they're naming flowers after him, it's srs bznss 02:57 <@Dagmar> He teleports me to some version of the Dark Portal I've never seen before where there's a small war going on at the base of the steps 02:57 < aestetix> https://medium.com/mattermark-daily/mattermark-has-raised-2m-in-our-second-seed-round-e93b20dc59b0 02:57 <@Dagmar> Tells me, "Now go down there into that fray and kill people until a scroll drops" 02:57 <@Dagmar> I have a completely empty hotbar. 02:57 <@Dagmar> POSSIBLY no pet 02:58 < aestetix> Hmm. 02:58 < aestetix> I'm curious how many companies start out with AWS and then move to locally hosted systems 02:58 < aestetix> Since a colo is WAY cheaper than a monthly server bill for 4 years 02:58 <@Dagmar> Probably many because AWS is pricey 02:59 <@Dagmar> It's not something you'd keep on tap except for burst load 02:59 < RangerZ1> aestetix: yes/no 02:59 < RangerZ1> aws hosts a lot of BIG company's sites/gov't sites 02:59 < RangerZ1> plus its a great way to startup 02:59 < aestetix> right 03:00 < RangerZ1> the 'middle'... actually stays there fairly well 03:00 < RangerZ1> << is writing some papers with an amazon former researcher 03:00 <@Dagmar> I was under the impression we were going to get an AWS account but apparently it turned into a "Sean Project" 03:00 < aestetix> RangerZ1: do they know how many servers aws actually has? :) 03:00 < RangerZ1> "no" 03:00 <@Dagmar> So like, eventually, if a burst load came in (like a slashdotting) we could direct overload there 03:01 < RangerZ1> just like the people i know at google "don't know" either 03:01 <@Dagmar> By the time you got an answer, it would be wrong. 03:01 < aestetix> Dagmar: but you could get a few answers over time and use that to predict other points 03:01 < aestetix> I'm just kind of curious just how much server power aws has 03:01 < RangerZ1> and google actually says how many 'physical' servers it has 03:02 <@Dagmar> Or, you could just look up the reports IBM and AMD make about how many CPUs they've produced and work from there 03:02 < RangerZ1> sorta 03:02 < aestetix> heh 03:02 < RangerZ1> they give out their power consumption rates/etc 03:02 <@Dagmar> They *do* buy about half of it 03:02 < RangerZ1> but as a big intl. corp. they can't "lie" legally often, so its a touchy topic 03:02 < RangerZ1> plus i've heard it was a lot less than people were guessing at one point 03:03 <@Dagmar> In the space of "people who own too many computers", Googla and Amazon are just _alarmingly_ large slices of the pie chart 03:03 < RangerZ1> but this was ~2003~2004 03:03 < aestetix> Dagmar: I suspect Axciom is at the top of that list, actually 03:03 < aestetix> Or at least, fairly high up in it 03:03 < RangerZ1> i suspect Dagmar is on that list 03:03 <@Dagmar> Nope 03:03 < RangerZ1> hehe 03:03 < aestetix> God I wish someone would hack them and go wikileaks on the database schema 03:04 < aestetix> I don't actually care about the data itself 03:04 < aestetix> I just want to know whta *kinds* of data they have 03:04 < RangerZ1> it isn't a schema 03:04 < RangerZ1> thats the trick 03:04 < aestetix> Same with Experian 03:04 < aestetix> oh? 03:04 < RangerZ1> yeah, they don't use schema 03:04 < RangerZ1> they have too much data 03:04 < aestetix> Surely they have a bunch of data... and some way to sort the data 03:04 <@Dagmar> Surely you jest about this Acxiom 03:05 < RangerZ1> 'way of sorting' yes 03:05 < RangerZ1> but not a schema 03:05 < aestetix> What would they have then? 03:05 < RangerZ1> schema implies a RMDB 03:05 < aestetix> oh 03:05 < RangerZ1> they DO NOT use DMDB for anything 03:05 < aestetix> so you think they have a massive key value store? 03:05 < RangerZ1> other than Android 03:05 < RangerZ1> yeah, they do 03:05 < RangerZ1> they admit that 03:05 < RangerZ1> watch some google IO talks 03:06 <@Dagmar> They have freaking GoogleFS 03:06 < aestetix> on axciom? 03:06 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yes. 03:06 <@Dagmar> Google's running close a million physicals last I heard 03:07 < RangerZ1> yeah 03:07 <@Dagmar> These motherfuckers have a LOT of computers running 03:07 < aestetix> RangerZ1: any google io talks you recommend? 03:07 <@Dagmar> Asking how many servers tehy have is rather like asking how many _people_ there are at any given moment 03:07 < RangerZ1> I don't think that even counts their 'experiments' like the barge in SanFran 03:07 < RangerZ1> aestetix: on what topics? 03:07 < RangerZ1> there are several good Android ones I can point to 03:07 < aestetix> acxiom and google 03:08 < RangerZ1> but on search... 03:08 < RangerZ1> hmm 03:08 < aestetix> why would I care about android? 03:08 < RangerZ1> b/c thats the future of OSs 03:08 < RangerZ1> lol 03:08 < RangerZ1> (sadly , i'm not kidding) 03:08 < aestetix> uh 03:08 <@Dagmar> Actually you're kind of right there 03:08 < RangerZ1> it is 03:08 < RangerZ1> from a purely technological standpoint 03:08 < aestetix> Please elaborate 03:09 < aestetix> Because I'm like "how do you store a petabyte of data on a phone" 03:09 <@Dagmar> You don't 03:09 < RangerZ1> the Android Operating System is a leapforward in almost every way from old OS's 03:09 < RangerZ1> implicit and explicit requests 03:09 < aestetix> RangerZ1: minus google plus :p 03:09 < RangerZ1> SE Linux backend 03:09 < RangerZ1> let me ask you this 03:09 <@Dagmar> So... data storage theory 03:10 < aestetix> Dagmar: that's what I am more interested in 03:10 < RangerZ1> then I have the perfect explanation 03:10 <@Dagmar> In The Beginning there was donuts 03:10 <@Dagmar> Then tapes 03:10 < aestetix> heh 03:10 <@Dagmar> Then better RAM and spindle-disks that could cut a man in half 03:10 < RangerZ1> if you have a music collection, do you care if 1) your data is easy to access, is tagged, etc... or 2) you care about the folder structure of where the files are stored 03:10 <@Dagmar> Putting data into these *had* to follow a model 03:11 <@Dagmar> If you want the machines to process information, they have to have ready access to input 03:11 < RangerZ1> obviously, you care about #1, so there is no reason why YOU as a human should care where the files are stored on your _home-server_ running Android (de-googled for aestetix) 03:11 < aestetix> lol 03:11 < RangerZ1> so Android has what are called ContentProviders 03:11 <@Dagmar> What constitutes "input" at any given moment or scope varies but rather obviously we worked out that some shit needs to stay in RAM and some shit can go on disk, and some shit... can go on remote storage 03:11 < aestetix> RangerZ1: I'll let you finish before I go devil's advocate on you 03:12 <@Dagmar> ...because we don't really need high-latency access to everything. 03:12 < aestetix> Dagmar: right 03:12 <@Dagmar> So, the remote storage thing "back in the day" meant the disk library over a the other end of the data center 03:12 <@Dagmar> ...and that was _it_ 03:12 < aestetix> Dagmar: if I'm in the ER, I want all my medical history to be accessible instantly to make good decisions 03:12 < RangerZ1> that 'provide' "content", and are simple interfaces that provide RMDB access to content on the 'server' (now phones, but you get the point) , the files themselves are NOT in the RMDB, just pointed to by it 03:12 <@Dagmar> Even when we started building the internet, there was seldom any deeply integrated _extremely_ remote storage 03:13 <@Dagmar> So now... 03:13 <@Dagmar> We have Android 03:13 <@Dagmar> Which is literally the first major OS that tackles smoothing over _that_ hump 03:13 < RangerZ1> now you can define different content providers that store different 'content' 03:13 < aestetix> Better than iOS? 03:13 < RangerZ1> 1 can be ER emergency records 03:13 <@Dagmar> ...because now your OS comes with a framework and shit necessary to query storange all over the goddamn planet 03:14 < RangerZ1> leaps and bounds, iOS is only good on UI/UX stuff, Android 1.0 has had this, and apple has been forced to adopt many of its concepts over the years 03:14 < aestetix> And what does Google hope to achieve with android? 03:14 <@Dagmar> If you ever messed with perl long ago one of the more interesting things about perl was that you could put `use CPAN;` at the top and it could be convinced to just fucking download and install any perl libraries you invoked from there 03:15 < RangerZ1> nothing other than having a platform for which they can get people to use their services 03:15 < RangerZ1> but iOS still doesn't have a way for an app to make a datastore available to other applications 03:15 <@Dagmar> ...which was kinda cool, because it basically meant that if your perl install didn't know something, it could go learn it from CPAN real quick in a JIT way 03:15 <@Dagmar> not very safe, but it worked 03:16 <@Dagmar> Android+Google... you can just invoke shit remotely if necessary 03:16 < RangerZ1> imagine an ER datastore, that uses NFC, and has encryption on it, then you get taken into the ER and they put your phone on a special tablet they have there with NFC, they can then access ANY info you provided them, such as allergies, some basic medical history, etc 03:16 <@Dagmar> ...and there's not a bunch of jumping through hoops of disconnected protocols and unrelated systems 03:18 < RangerZ1> but back to my 'home-server' example, if you had RMDB access to your movies/music, you could do queries on them, you could have automatic backups, you could have ... all adv. RMDB options, etc... and ANY android application could 'instantly' use it 03:18 < aestetix> RangerZ1: and what's the purpose of having so much data? 03:18 < RangerZ1> stream movies/music over your local LAN or wan to any of your approved local devices 03:18 <@Dagmar> because a shitload of the problems with preparing input for a system is getting it somewhere the system and see and understand it 03:19 < RangerZ1> aestetix: would you like to be able to query your fridge while at the store, to have it auto-make your grocery shopping list for you 03:19 <@Dagmar> So with all this stuff so nicely linked and _pervasive_ "input" generated somewhere isn't very likely to wind up in a place we can't get at it 03:20 < RangerZ1> or even better yet, to auto-purchase the standard consumables and have them delivered to you via-amazon robots 03:20 <@Dagmar> You could always do this stuff... for varying values of "could" 03:20 <@Dagmar> Getting the data moved around was always the hard and time consuming part 03:21 < aestetix> RangerZ1: I think it's kind of amusing that you assume you know what I want :) 03:21 < RangerZ1> aestetix: no, thats capitolism 03:21 < RangerZ1> i determine what you want, before you 03:21 <@Dagmar> ...and now, just like Linux swam through the internet like it was born to it because it came with TCP/IP, Android swims through clouds of data because it was built with this kind of access in mind 03:21 < RangerZ1> and sell it to you 03:21 < RangerZ1> lol 03:21 < RangerZ1> you have to remember that you CAN take the google parts of Android out of it, and it'll work fine for ANY application I've ever written, and a LOT on the store, but it becomes harder to monitize apps that way (harder to use google ads, etc) 03:22 < aestetix> RangerZ1: so you're making decisions for me? 03:22 <@Dagmar> aestetix: The decisions aren't what's important 03:22 < RangerZ1> doesn't your car manf. make decisions for you? 03:22 < RangerZ1> they decide what kind of plastic to use on the dash, etc 03:22 <@Dagmar> That these things are now possible with a vastly decreased effort required to make them go, that's the thing 03:23 < RangerZ1> but thats besides the point, i was only pointing out the sillyness of your quip 03:23 < RangerZ1> lol 03:23 < aestetix> RangerZ1: you might think it's silly. 03:23 < RangerZ1> in a capitolist society, it is 03:23 < aestetix> And I'm totally fine if *you* want to choose those options. 03:23 < RangerZ1> i didn't say i was going to FORCE them on you, just that they WILL be options in the future 03:23 < aestetix> So tell me, what happens when the system breaks for me, for some reason? 03:23 < RangerZ1> and people WILL use them 03:24 <@Dagmar> it can't. 03:24 < RangerZ1> what system? 03:24 < RangerZ1> b/c 'system' is a non-well defined term in this convo so far 03:24 < aestetix> Heh. 03:24 < aestetix> RangerZ1: so this would also eliminate the need to vote, right? 03:25 < RangerZ1> what are you talking about 03:25 < aestetix> It can collect data and make judgement calls based on the information it has about me. 03:25 < aestetix> So surely it knows who I'll want to vote for. 03:25 < RangerZ1> yes, actually, statiticians know who peopel will vote for 03:25 < RangerZ1> the only question is turnout 03:26 < aestetix> So, this would allow me to vote without voting? 03:26 < RangerZ1> and if a politican sticks their foot in their mout 03:26 < RangerZ1> mouth 03:26 < RangerZ1> lol 03:26 < RangerZ1> no 03:26 <@Dagmar> No, but if you want to see some politicians shit themselves, start talking about building a database of politician's decision-making as an app people can use to track how much they agree or disagree with everything their representatives are doing 03:26 < RangerZ1> i'm playing along with your purposely derailing topics 03:26 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: they already do that for the conservative base 03:26 < RangerZ1> called "scoring" 03:27 < RangerZ1> NRA, etc do it 03:27 <@Dagmar> So that, you know, aat the end of two years, a voter could just look at their phone and say "I'm a republican, but this cat doesn't do anything I like, while the other guy does" 03:27 < aestetix> god 03:27 < aestetix> I have no desire to see John Boehnr take a dump 03:27 <@Dagmar> Politicians don't do a whole fucking lot from day to day 03:27 < RangerZ1> 60~80% of a congressman's time is fundraising 03:27 <@Dagmar> You could absolutely boil most of it down to a paragraph or two and just show it to the user 03:28 <@Dagmar> Let them mark how they feel about it privately, and tally it over time 03:28 <@Dagmar> They get away with shit because when it comes to voting time, people somehow don't _remember_ things like that their senators are basically pro-rape 03:29 <@Dagmar> they're flooded with trivia by the parties,i which makes them the opposite of "well-informed" 03:30 <@Dagmar> If you wanted to fuck that system up you'd make people able to _remember_ the things that mattered to them 03:30 < RangerZ1> but aestetix, our core point is 1) Android is _technolgically_ far superior to other OSes in common useage, most Linux's included 2) some of the concepts in Android facilitate data transmission/usage between devices in ways that weren't ever possible in old OSes 03:30 <@Dagmar> Part 2 is the _huge_ one 03:30 < RangerZ1> now if you want your device to NOT send data to GOOGLE, thats fine 03:30 < RangerZ1> set it up to NOT do that 03:31 < RangerZ1> but you CAN set it up to share date between YOUR OWN devices 03:31 < RangerZ1> hell, avoiding the boot-loader issues I have with Android phones right now 03:31 < RangerZ1> android's new security features are GREAT leaps forward, etc 03:32 < RangerZ1> I think Android loses out from lack of a 'phone-bios' 03:32 < RangerZ1> to allow a 'phone-grub' to exist 03:32 < RangerZ1> which would allow you to dual boot, etc 03:33 < RangerZ1> and I also want to see partioning of radio/etc from OS 03:34 < RangerZ1> that way the carrier can update firmware for radio if it needs, but leave my phone alone 03:37 < RangerZ1> aestetix: Android's Services, and IPC is also top-notch, and a lot of that has to come from the lessons it learned from BeOS (where it got a lot of its core original team for Android) 03:39 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has quit [Changing host] 03:39 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yxbpvqcwafzxtdlp] has joined #se2600 03:39 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o EnabrinTain] by dickson.freenode.net 03:44 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmQl6VGvX-c&list=PLOU2XLYxmsII2vIhzAyW6eouf62ur2Z2q 03:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Introducing the Knowledge Graph - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 03:45 < RangerZ1> aestetix: there you go, about as good as you'll get, you'll have to infer a lot of how they work behind the scenes 03:48 < RangerZ1> LOL 03:48 < RangerZ1> google uses an XKCD comic in the 2nd video 03:49 < RangerZ1> holy hell, they reference Dual Core (int80's group) 03:49 < RangerZ1> lol 03:56 < aestetix> heh 03:56 < aestetix> sorry got sidetracked 03:56 < aestetix> I'll scroll up in a bit 04:27 <@Dagmar> ...after three hours, I am now _almost_ completely shit at huntering in WoW 04:27 < RangerZ1> so a vast improvement is what you are saying? 04:29 <@Dagmar> Oh yes. 04:29 <@Dagmar> Three hours ago I couldn't find the trigger 04:29 < aestetix> god I hate wordpress 04:29 < RangerZ1> whats the level cap now 300? 04:29 <@Dagmar> 100. 04:30 <@Dagmar> They made some changes to player nameplate settings as well 04:30 <@Dagmar> In order to get the Envelope Of MacGuffin I actually resorted to finding the "LOL BULLETS" button 04:31 <@Dagmar> Hunters have an ability that fires bullets like a machine gun for a few moments, in about a 100 degree cone for 35 yards ahead 04:31 <@Dagmar> Also referred to as "All your taps are belong to us" 04:32 <@Dagmar> Easiest way to fucking die in PvE 04:32 <@Dagmar> Cuz you know, it's so *often* that you're not a tank class but you really want to piss off _every_ mob on the field 04:33 <@Dagmar> Mash that fucker in the wrong place and dozens of beasties come for you 04:33 <@Dagmar> They did ditch a bunch of Obligatory Combat Buttons tho 04:33 < aestetix> How the hell does Wordpress even operate 04:33 < aestetix> it is such a mess 04:34 <@Dagmar> like Hunter's Mark... a debuff you had to apply to your primary target in order to do 15% more damage 04:34 <@Dagmar> aestetix: It's primary users are mass communications and liberal arts majors 04:34 <@Dagmar> They don't know any better 04:34 <@Dagmar> It's why I was losing serious respect for people suggesting it be used for the PN site 04:34 <@Dagmar> I really thought they were joking at first 04:34 < aestetix> I'm trying to get a plugin working which requires a more recent version. I have to manually upgrade because I was using an ubuntu build (my bad). Before I do that I want to make a backup. 04:35 < aestetix> The backup plugin I was using is giving a javascript error that makes absolutely no fucking sense. 04:35 < aestetix> HOPE is using it to generate RSS feeds 04:35 < aestetix> Nothing that's actually serious though 04:35 < aestetix> I don't even want to think about the CPU issues we'd run into if we made the HOPE site wordpress 04:37 <@Dagmar> mysqldump 04:37 <@Dagmar> Seriously. 04:37 < aestetix> the problem is I forgot the password 04:37 <@Dagmar> looool 04:37 < aestetix> And no, it's not in the wp-config files 04:37 < RangerZ1> onepass it up 04:37 < RangerZ1> beforehand... lol 04:37 <@Dagmar> So how does wp access the db, precisely? 04:38 < aestetix> I've been trying to figure that out too, tbqh 04:38 <@Dagmar> rofl 04:38 < aestetix> remember what I said about spaghetti code? 04:38 < aestetix> Usually grepping for variants of "password" solve that mystery 04:38 <@Dagmar> Dude it's normally just supposed to be sitting in the wp-config wordpress is using 04:38 < RangerZ1> ohh 04:38 < RangerZ1> i got it 04:38 < RangerZ1> no password 04:38 < RangerZ1> even better 04:38 <@Dagmar> That's where WP gets it from 04:39 <@Dagmar> If someone set that up with no password that would be demented 04:39 < aestetix> It definitely has a password 04:39 <@Dagmar> So if you don't see it in wp-config it's likely that you're looking for the wrong wp-config 04:39 <@Dagmar> er s/for/at 04:40 < aestetix> that is a good point 04:40 < aestetix> except there is only one 04:40 <@Dagmar> I would respectfully suggest you not restart apache in any way right now then 04:41 <@Dagmar> Did whoever set this up _heavily_ customize the code? 04:42 <@Dagmar> iirc those three bits of info _have_ to live in the wp-config file 04:42 <@Dagmar> If you don't see them, you're looking at the wrong file 04:42 < RangerZ1> aestetix: Thomas Pickett seems pretty good so far, 3.5 hrs into it 04:45 < aestetix> ok found the password 04:45 < aestetix> whew 04:46 < RangerZ1> password.php.inc ? 04:46 < RangerZ1> lol 04:46 < aestetix> lol 04:46 < aestetix> in /etc 04:47 < RangerZ1> you think i'm joking 04:48 < RangerZ1> but my old job had the DB password in db_include.php.inc in the root HTML directory 04:48 < aestetix> wow 04:48 < RangerZ1> and .inc files were NOT parsed by apache as php 04:48 < RangerZ1> so it was plain text 04:48 < aestetix> man these plugins 04:48 < aestetix> I didn't realize there was such a sleaze market for wordpress 05:09 < RangerZ1> aestetix: if you're looking for arguments to combat milton'esk people's arguments, this is probably the best conteporary book from what i've seen so far 05:12 < aestetix> ok 05:14 < RangerZ1> my biggest problem with economics/etc is that they don't run simulations 05:14 < RangerZ1> its all theory 05:14 < RangerZ1> fucking use computers 05:14 < RangerZ1> make your agent models public, and go from there 05:15 < RangerZ1> if you did that, i think you could discredit MOST conservative arguements 05:15 < aestetix> I wonder how many startups cause divorces 05:15 < RangerZ1> b/c they couldn't GET the outcomes they want, without crap agent models 05:23 < RangerZ1> aestetix: do you watch youtube instructional videos at all? 05:25 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: how about you or NotLarry 05:28 < aestetix> ugh i hate women 05:39 -!- rhia_ [~rhia@50-47-10-114.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #se2600 05:45 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: rhia 05:49 < RangerZ1> aestetix: obviously, you have a penis 05:50 < aestetix> haha 06:09 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: strages 06:14 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxflibmcyqiaxtlv] has joined #se2600 06:30 < aestetix> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-29/china-summit/5557844 06:38 < RangerZ1> ^hahaha 06:38 < RangerZ1> he's funny 06:41 < RangerZ1> study chinese history, and you'll realize that he's playing up the confusion/historical concept of a 'god appointed king' (which actually explains why china is so ON THE BALL when it comes to natural disasters, because natural disasters have historically been seen as gods' displeasure with the current leader, and the reason why the chinese would overthrow their leaders, which is the #1 thing china doesn't want ) 06:41 < RangerZ1> lol 06:41 < RangerZ1> "i'm a wise king who doesn't bully"... "we just take what is ours" 06:41 < RangerZ1> lol 10:08 <@evilpig> ugh. complicated dell server repair, or run a 25 meter single mode fiber that I don't think we have so it'll have to be 20 meter then i'll scream when I get it pulled and it's a foot too short? 10:51 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 10:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 11:52 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18 <@evilpig> fuck you dell! 12:18 <@evilpig> fuck fuck fuck fuck 12:18 <@evilpig> backup system license to sd. okay. 12:19 <@evilpig> restore system backup from sd. You don't have the license to use this feature. 12:22 <@evilpig> I'd swear their devs are sitting there reading catch-22 12:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 12:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 12:26 <@SuMo_D> you guys miss me yet? 12:26 <@evilpig> always 12:27 <@evilpig> there wasn't anyone to sexually harass other than aestetix 12:29 <@SuMo_D> klixa doesn't count? 12:30 <@SuMo_D> or has she been gone too 12:30 <@evilpig> you both left us. 12:55 <@Dagmar> evilpig: I'm in the WoD Alpha 12:59 <@evilpig> I thought beta was starting this weekend? 12:59 <@Dagmar> Well, it says "Alpha" on it 12:59 <@evilpig> hrmm. cool. 13:00 <@evilpig> I'm semi-interested but I really need to get some shit accomplished so I can have time to play stuff again 13:00 <@Dagmar> It's on the PTR and it's definitely not beta quality or beta-complete yet 13:00 <@evilpig> gonna go ship some parts off. bbiab 13:00 <@evilpig> stupid dell 13:30 <@evilpig> http://www.thesillywalk.com/ 13:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Home | Ministry of Walks Silly Walks (at www.thesillywalk.com) 13:30 <@evilpig> I'm very amused by this 14:06 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 14:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 14:36 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 14:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixak] by ChanServ 14:38 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:43 -!- klixak is now known as klixa 16:24 -!- Dagmar_ [~dagmar@c-98-193-176-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:24 -!- Dagmar_ [~dagmar@c-98-193-176-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:24 -!- Dagmar_ [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has joined #se2600 16:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dagmar_] by ChanServ 16:24 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28 -!- strages_ [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hqufmlzztfmvtwzd] has joined #se2600 16:29 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxflibmcyqiaxtlv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:29 -!- strages_ is now known as strages 16:45 -!- Dagmar_ is now known as Dagmar 18:12 < RangerZ1> http://www.gog.com/witcher/backup well I'll be damned... thats impressive 18:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Witcher Backup - GOG.com (at www.gog.com) 19:48 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Shadow404] by ChanServ 20:28 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50 < aestetix> fuck I hate time 20:50 < aestetix> why is it so hard to program it 20:51 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 20:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 20:55 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 20:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 20:57 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13 < RangerZ1> time is easy to use, just use a good library 21:13 < RangerZ1> we all know that mythical library, but we keep it from you ;) 21:18 < aestetix> let me rephrase 21:18 < aestetix> php and mysql time 21:19 < aestetix> databases SUCK at handling time 21:21 < RangerZ1> just convert to unix time 21:21 < RangerZ1> only way to handle it IMHO 21:22 < RangerZ1> thats actually what I'm thinking of doing on my code-generator , for the custom'time' data-format 21:22 < aestetix> RangerZ1: I have a joke for you 21:22 < aestetix> What do you call five black people having sex? 21:22 < aestetix> A threesome 21:22 < RangerZ1> ... 21:23 < RangerZ1> wow... 21:23 <@opticron> impressive 21:24 < RangerZ1> what do you call sex between a man and a woman then ? masterbation ? 21:25 < RangerZ1> pre 1920s 22:17 <@Dagmar> aestetix: No more of those 22:33 < aestetix> bad jokes? 22:38 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: its ok, he's just going to ostracize himself, then we'll be able to point and laugh 22:39 -!- ladymerl1n [ladymerlin@mail.bbis.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47 -!- ladymerlin [ladymerlin@mail.bbis.us] has joined #se2600 22:53 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, if he pastes any more stupid racist jokes we'll be laughing at his absence 23:21 <@Dickie> Pfffffft 23:21 <@Dickie> Let's forget everything and party 23:22 * Dickie gyrates 23:27 <@NotLarry> I don't get the joke. 23:27 * NotLarry gyrates 23:27 <@NotLarry> fuck, my hip! 23:51 <@evilpig> says somethign for me, but i'm not sure what. I don't get it 23:52 <@evilpig> just reporting in. I saw benthemeek and his wife today. 23:52 <@evilpig> it was really nice seeing old friends and sharing a meal 23:53 <@evilpig> brimstone: ... I expect a meal when you come to town 23:53 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 23:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 23:53 * evilpig throws a steak at klixa 23:53 <@SuMo_D> I finally got it, but it took awhile... 23:54 <@evilpig> I'm about to give myself brain freeze 23:54 <@evilpig> and it's gonna be soooo worth it 23:56 <@evilpig> SuMo_D: went into the city tonight and shared a hotpot with ben and priscilla. it was most excellent! 23:57 <@evilpig> also... fuckin' pride parade 23:57 <@SuMo_D> yum and yes! Pride! 23:57 <@SuMo_D> I'm sure it was awesome/nuts as usual 23:57 <@evilpig> just about got Corydon76-home a tie dyed shirt that said something like "tumblr gay" on it. 23:58 <@evilpig> we had a box of them in the office for the folks that were on the yahoo! float 23:59 <@SuMo_D> :) --- Log closed Mon Jun 30 00:00:38 2014