--- Log opened Sat Jun 28 00:00:36 2014
00:22 < RangerZ> Dagmar: evilpig is gnomoria running like poo for you now?
00:22 < RangerZ> its like once 30~60 seconds it hangs for 4~5 seconds
00:23 <@Dagmar> It's generating more golems to kill you
00:23 <@Dagmar> I am glad I made a backup of my save
00:23 <@Dagmar> I wasn't kidding about having 10,000 dirt around
00:23 <@Dagmar> ...and shitloads of loose rock.
00:23 < RangerZ> yeah
00:23 < RangerZ> same
00:23 < RangerZ> i just started over
00:24 < RangerZ> lol
00:24 <@Dagmar> I went from zero deaths to everyone squished into paste in about an hour
00:24 <@Dagmar> This will require a new strategy for tunneling
00:24 < RangerZ> it gives you some time
00:24 < RangerZ> but yeah
00:25 <@Dagmar> I'd dug _way_ down
00:25 < RangerZ> magma was what stopped you... wasn't it
00:25 <@Dagmar> ...and every time I'd hit a new type of stone, I'd tunnel out a lot of space and make a stockpile there.
00:25 <@Dagmar> I could reach magma from where I was to
00:26 <@klixa> .
00:26 <@Dagmar> ...but I'd also begun leveling a mountain
00:26 <@Dagmar> It was just *golems*
00:26 <@Dagmar> Everywhere.
00:26 < RangerZ> you can have stockpiles everywhere
00:27 < RangerZ> just they all have to be _in_ stockpiles
00:27 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, I didn't have a lot of people on Teamster duty
00:27 < RangerZ> my problem is... the AI for gnomes sucks ass, they have the worst path finding ever
00:27 <@Dagmar> It's been worse
00:27 < RangerZ> i wrote better in my undergrad AI class
00:28 <@Dagmar> The conga splines outside were awful
00:28 < RangerZ> it needs to add multiplayer
00:28 < RangerZ> so we can go visit evilpig's place
00:28 < RangerZ> and drop off 10,000 dirt in piles
00:28 < RangerZ> lol
00:28 <@Dagmar> heheh
00:29 <@Dagmar> Like the ONLY guys I have left are my two squads of heavily armed murderers
00:29 <@Dagmar> The mants might have something to say about their food supplies, but I doubt it
00:29 < RangerZ> and they will starve at some point
00:29 <@Dagmar> Not anytime soon lol
00:29 < RangerZ> lol
00:30 <@Dagmar> Just like with DF, if you can generate a lot of food, you can buy everything
00:30 < RangerZ> never played that one
00:32 <@Dagmar> Obama memed.
00:32 < RangerZ> ?
00:32 <@Dagmar> In case you didn't see it
00:32 <@Dagmar> http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/barack-obama-climate-change-108338.html
00:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: Barack Obama becomes mocker-in-chief on climate change skeptics - Edward-Isaac Dovere and Andrew Restuccia - POLITICO.com (at www.politico.com)
00:32 <@Dagmar> Then, Obama said, there are the people who duck the question. .They say, hey, I.m not a scientist, which really translates into, I accept that man-made climate change is real, but if I say so out loud, I will be run out of town by a bunch of fringe elements that thinks climate science is a liberal plot so I.m going to just pretend like,
00:32 <@Dagmar> Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/barack-obama-climate-change-108338.html#ixzz35uBGiP78
00:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: Barack Obama becomes mocker-in-chief on climate change skeptics - Edward-Isaac Dovere and Andrew Restuccia - POLITICO.com (at www.politico.com)
00:33 <@Dagmar> fuckers
00:33 <@Dagmar> ...to just pretend like, I don't know, I can't read," Obama said.
00:36 < RangerZ> mother fuckers... I'm not a _climate_ scientist either, but i have 2 degrees that say "science" in the name, twice on each... and I  know enough to trust something when 97%+ of experts in ANY field agree on something...
00:37 <@Dagmar> They don't believe the shit they say
00:37 <@Dagmar> All they care about is that lobbyist money keeps coming in
00:37 < RangerZ> no, the thing i really worry about is...
00:37 < RangerZ> tea partiers
00:37 < RangerZ> who actually DO believe it
00:39 < RangerZ> I was 24~25 before I realized that there existed people in the world who _actually_  believed in speaking _in person_ with god
00:40 < RangerZ> not just a "it felt like devine inspiration" or something... but had psycho hallucinogenic episodes, and believed that some being spoke to them in their bed, while they were asleep
00:42 < RangerZ> yay for baptists
00:42 < RangerZ> lol
00:43 <@Bahhumbug> What's wrong with having psycho hallucinogenic episodes?
01:07 < aestetix> Is it sad that I've developed a knee jerk reaction to look AWAY when I hear a car crash so that I don't become a witness?
01:07  * aestetix lives at a dangerous intersection
01:18 < RangerZ> "lives"
01:18 < RangerZ> i think he means "works"
01:18 < RangerZ> but thats ok
01:18 < aestetix> lol
01:18 < aestetix> RangerZ: here's a question that will interest you
01:18 < aestetix> When did Johnson's "Great Society" start going bad
01:18 < RangerZ> when blacks got money
01:18 < aestetix> uh
01:18 < RangerZ> and whites didn't like it
01:18 < RangerZ> so they started to undercut it
01:19 < aestetix> So the southern strategy did fuck us?
01:19 < RangerZ> that too
01:19 < RangerZ> but the most segregated areas were in the north
01:19 < RangerZ> boston
01:19 < RangerZ> etc
01:19 < RangerZ> boston schools didn't integrate fully until late 70s i think
01:20 < aestetix> So we never actually "fixed" racism, we just pushed a bunch of stuff through on the federal level
01:20 < RangerZ> actually we were making it worse all the time
01:20 < RangerZ> b/c we gave excuses to racists
01:20 < RangerZ> 'welfare queens'
01:20 < RangerZ> etc
01:21 < RangerZ> despite them being very rare, even at their height, they were a great rallying call for people who didn't like "them" taking "our" money
01:21 < aestetix> well
01:21 < aestetix> I was looking at Milton Friedman
01:21 < aestetix> And it turns out he started writing about economics around the same time FDR pushed through the New Deal
01:21 < RangerZ> it not a new field of study
01:21 < RangerZ> lol
01:22 < aestetix> And published his opus "history" book when LBJ became president
01:22 < aestetix> lol I realize that
01:22 < aestetix> It just explains where Friedman's economic biases may come from
01:22 < aestetix> also penis
01:22 < RangerZ> nah, thats having testosterone in his blood when the genitals are forming
01:23 < RangerZ> otherwise it becomes a clit
01:23 < RangerZ> but anyways...
01:24 < RangerZ> yeah... the problem is that progressive ideas often have the better policy, but conservative ones often sound better to 'low information voters' because they are more concise and fit on bumber stickers
01:24 < aestetix> Well it makes sense that Friedman would be arguing against government involvement in so many things, when while he was young he was watching FDR with horror
01:24 < RangerZ> thing is
01:25 < RangerZ> WPA is what made america great b/c it allowed skilled workers to exist when we needed them for the war effort
01:25 < RangerZ> let alone it built all the infrastructure WE ARE STILL USING
01:25 < aestetix> well sure
01:25 < RangerZ> sadly
01:25 < RangerZ> my HS football statium was a WPA project
01:26 < RangerZ> the sidewalk at the one house I lived at was
01:26 < RangerZ> etc...etc...etc..
01:27 < aestetix> So let me try this one
01:27 < aestetix> We've never recovered from the Civil War. And while LBJ had good intentions with the Great Society, the remnants of racism took it and fucked the country.
01:28 < RangerZ> yes/no
01:28 < aestetix> The bit about good intentions is very debatable, but I'll accept it for now
01:30 < RangerZ> even LBJ was a racist, but he was also a man who recognized injustice , LBJ was a great civil president, but had issues abroad
01:30 < RangerZ> starting that little 'vietnam war' thing
01:30 < RangerZ> etc
01:32 < RangerZ> you also have to account for the yo-yo effect
01:33 < RangerZ> if it wasn't for the first black president, the republicans wouldn't have been so emotional in 2010, etc
01:33 < RangerZ> obama's first 100 days was basically a model of what you should do as a president
01:34 < RangerZ> and he didn't touch race stuff at all, until forced to
01:34 < RangerZ> didn't touch the gay topic until forced to
01:34 < RangerZ> etc
01:35 < RangerZ> he's a complicated president, he's done a lot I don't agree with, but he's also had to face the worst form of racism, the kind that doesn't admit it is racism, and calls itself something else...
01:35 < RangerZ> like the voter-id laws that got passed all of a sudden
01:45 < RangerZ> but identifying the problem... and knowing how to fix it... two entirely different things, sadly :/
01:46 <@Bahhumbug> The US had military advisors in-country in Viet Nam in the 50s so the war had been brewing for a decade or so before LBJ had anything at all to do with it.
01:47 <@Bahhumbug> I would go so far as to say that the war was inevitable long before LBJ was sworn.
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02:21 < aestetix> not just racism
02:22 < aestetix> Obama has had a *very* complicated presidency
02:36 < RangerZ> i agree, but think about most tea partiers
02:36 < RangerZ> the venn diagram of racists
02:37 < RangerZ> I can't think of a funny venn diagram joke
02:37 < RangerZ> so ehh
02:39 < RangerZ> http://www.ohmz.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/02663.gif
02:39 < RangerZ> to make up for it
02:41 < aestetix> RangerZ: here http://imgur.com/E7lLDAm
02:41 < aestetix> nsfw
02:42 < RangerZ> i got a better one ...somewhere....
02:43 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/1KekmRI.jpg RangerZ you need this
02:44 < RangerZ> friend of friend was an english grad student, and had a pic of him at a strip club, where they had a midget doing the same with different holes, and then if you could get a rolled up 5$ into the cup at the end, you got a pic with her.... so he posted the pic of him with her... in the English Dept
02:44 < RangerZ> right above his desk, on the wall
02:44 < RangerZ> re-dressed
02:46 < RangerZ> nope
02:46 < RangerZ> not gonna click it
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18:46 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZb9uP81yrQ
18:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Seth MacFarlane Helps Out Reading Rainbow - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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18:59 <@evilpig> fuck youtube.  really.  30 second commercial for a 60 second video
19:15 < RangerZ> evilpig: I'm very torn on commercials
19:15 < RangerZ> i've used adblock for so long now, that if I see a page with ads, I get shocked at how much of pages are ads now
19:16 < RangerZ> and sadly, ads are STILL the #1 or #2 method of delivering malware (which is why I blcok them)
19:16 < RangerZ> block* even
19:17 < RangerZ> though, I don't mind the IDEA of ads, I just want less-intrusive ones
19:17 < RangerZ> like google text ads, I allow those
19:17 < RangerZ> doesn't matter, soon, adblocks aren't going to work
19:18 < RangerZ> at least on 'big' sites
19:18 < RangerZ> they'll just move to first party ads, instead of 3rd party ones
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19:41 <@ladymerlin> whee
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22:09 < aestetix> Anyone have opinions about Piketty?
22:09 < aestetix> http://boingboing.net/2014/06/24/thomas-pikettys-capital-in-t.html
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22:17 <@Mirage> evilpig: Here's a n absolutely terrible movie that you'd probably like. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1692235/
22:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: A Cadaver Christmas (2011) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
22:19 <@evilpig> Mirage: just added it to my queue.  i'll have to check it out
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23:03 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: I'm not saying we need your katana...
23:35 < RangerZ1> aestetix: I havne't read his book(s) yet, but its almost painfully true what he's staying ... the rich get richer, while other people work harder and harder to stay afloat
23:35 < RangerZ1> lol
23:36 < RangerZ1> NotLarry: hows the NOC, feeling house-planty tonight?
23:41 < aestetix> I'm mostly wondering if it's worth my time
23:41 < aestetix> Given that I've concluded David Graeber's books are not.
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23:47 < RangerZ1> just get the audio book
23:47 < RangerZ1> and listen for a while
23:48 < RangerZ1> malcom gladwell's books are GREAT for that
23:48 < aestetix> You're suggesting listening to a 700 page long audiobook?
23:49 < RangerZ1> yes?
23:50 < RangerZ1> only 25:00:396
23:50 < RangerZ1> only 25:00:39*
23:51 < aestetix> evilpig: is this your gf? http://imgur.com/ZsvwWpS
23:58 <@NotLarry> RangerZ1: you know I know where you live right?
23:59 <@NotLarry> aestetix: stop
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