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00:17 <@Mirage> Trident TGUI-9680 + shiny new MSI motherboard w/ foo-foo graphical BIOS = computer that won't boot through the bios.
00:18 <@Mirage> Someone needs to come up with a nice basic PCIE for console-only machines that doesn't suck so much power and generate so much heat.
00:30 < aestetix> god I hate control freaks
00:30 < aestetix> Especially control freaks who don't actually have lives
00:30 < RangerZ1> Mirage: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121439
00:30 < aestetix> And just assume that saying "I'll spent two hours tonight working on that, sure" means "I'll spend the next two hours working on it and then report to you even though you aren't my boss"
00:31 <@Corydon76-home> Anybody have a shorter way to find the longest word that begins and ends with T than this?
00:31 <@Corydon76-home> grep '^t.*t$' /usr/share/dict/american-english | perl -e 'while(<>){chomp;push@l,$_;}print join("\n",sort{length($a)<=>length($b)}@l);'
00:31 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-home: thats a well known programming algorithm question
00:31 < RangerZ1> let me see if i can find the name
00:31 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I'm sure .NET has a function like "findTheLongestWordThatBeginsAndEndsWith("T")"
00:32 <@Mirage> RangerZ1: I've got an old Nvidia 8500 in it right now...but the damn thing runs at ~140-150F all the time
00:32 < RangerZ1> gotta find the 'silent' ones
00:32 < RangerZ1> that don't even have fans
00:32 < RangerZ1> so they can't put out as much heat
00:32 < RangerZ1> etc
00:33 < RangerZ1> plus new chips will be much more efficient
00:33 < RangerZ1> just smaller nm
00:33 <@Mirage> It is a silent one.  I just swapped it for the 7300 that was in it.
00:33 < RangerZ1> dye process
00:33 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ1: I know that sort can sort either alphabetically or numerically, but I'm not aware of a Unix command line to sort for length
00:34 <@Mirage> RangerZ1: something like this would be the most optimal..  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Trident_TGUI9680-1.jpg
00:35 <@Mirage> Of course mine has the additional 1M of memory..bringing it up to a whopping 2M.
00:35 <@Mirage> Actually, I wonder if the 8M ATI cards on NewEgg might work..they do have 4x the memory.
00:35 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: what does perl's sort function do?
00:36 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-home: why does this matter, unless the dictionary you are searching is dynamic
00:36 < aestetix> is it quicksort?
00:36 < RangerZ1> b/c otherwise there are only 26 answers
00:36 < RangerZ1> this is a "i don't care how long it takes to run, once, b/c I'll make a database of results"
00:36 < RangerZ1> lol
00:36 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: it allows you to specify your own sorting algorithm
00:36 < aestetix> ah ok
00:37 <@Corydon76-home> where $a and $b are any two prospective elements to be sorted
00:37 < aestetix> hmmm
00:37 < aestetix> now I"m thinking of all koinds of silly algorithms
00:37 < aestetix> how many string values are you sorting through?
00:37 <@Corydon76-home> I believe it then applies quicksort to your sorting methodology
00:37 < RangerZ1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_palindromic_substring
00:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Longest palindromic substring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
00:38 < aestetix> RangerZ1: yeah but that takes too long.
00:38 < RangerZ1> aestetix: no
00:38 < aestetix> We don't care about anything but the first and last character
00:38 < RangerZ1> it takes O(1) to look-up the results
00:39  * aestetix looks at page
00:39 <@Corydon76-home> If you were just looking for the longest, then it's a simple O(n) problem
00:39 < RangerZ1> ohh, obviously you'd need to adjust the algorith to not search for entire palindrome, just a subset
00:39 < aestetix> right
00:39 < RangerZ1> but Corydon76-home is this just a one time search?
00:40 < RangerZ1> b/c if so, then you found the "best" way
00:40 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ1: I was more interested in reducing the size of the command line code, not looking for anything more efficient
00:40 < RangerZ1> b/c the only way to speed it up, would be to go low-level code (and split the dictionary)
00:40 < aestetix> oh
00:40 < RangerZ1> ohh
00:40 < aestetix> you could have said that from the beginning
00:41 <@Corydon76-home> I'm pretty sure I did
00:41 < aestetix> you said "a shorter way"
00:41 <@Corydon76-home> But I used the word "shorter", which you assumed meant time, and I meant characters
00:41 < aestetix> I read that as "a faster way"
00:41 < aestetix> heh
00:42 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-home: you could make an awk script
00:43 <@Corydon76-home> I've always considered awk to be more of a one-line-at-a-time script
00:43 < RangerZ1> don't blame awk for your shortcomings
00:43 < RangerZ1> ;)
00:43 < RangerZ1> lol
00:44 < RangerZ1> awk is predicessor to perl
00:44 < RangerZ1> but it wasn't stupid with variable types
00:44 < aestetix> heh
00:44 < aestetix> I'm reminded of the job interview I went into at Apple
00:44 < RangerZ1> you poor soul
00:44 < aestetix> you know how the first question is supposed to be easy and get you relaxed?
00:44 < aestetix> "What is the TCP/IP handshake?"
00:44 < aestetix> "I have no idea"
00:45 < RangerZ1> HELO OLEH
00:45 < aestetix> because I'd never heard it referred to like that
00:45 < aestetix> The guy was visibly taken aback
00:45 <@Corydon76-home> Well, thank you for coming in, aestetix
00:45 < RangerZ1> NEXT
00:46 < RangerZ1> and were you applying for a coding job?
00:46 < aestetix> security
00:46 < RangerZ1> ahh
00:46 < RangerZ1> then yes, you should know that
00:46 < aestetix> It was an internal referral
00:46 < aestetix> well
00:46 < aestetix> sort of
00:46 < RangerZ1> to see it in tcp dumps
00:46 < aestetix> It was for the malware/reversing team
00:46 < aestetix> and of course I knew what it was
00:46 < aestetix> I'd just never heard that term for it
00:47 < RangerZ1> ahh
00:47 < RangerZ1> you never read a book on the subject ;) lol
00:47 < aestetix> right
00:47 < aestetix> I spent too much time on sites like textfiles :p
00:47 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, pretty much everything I've read refers to it as the 3-way handshake
00:48 < RangerZ1> no, it has 2 party also
00:48 < RangerZ1> but thats just one of those 'you need to know the terms we want from you'
00:48 < RangerZ1> lol
00:48 < aestetix> right
00:48 < aestetix> it's just like the interview I had at facebook
00:48 < aestetix> they kept asking me shit like what the names of algorithms were
00:48 < aestetix> instead of asking how to solve actual issues
00:49 < aestetix> keep in mind this was all 5+ years ago
00:49 <@Corydon76-home> Half of the battle when working within a team is being able to communicate well
00:49 <@Corydon76-home> If you don't know the terms, you won't be able to communicate
00:50 < RangerZ1> thats the entire reason for software patterns
00:50 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: sure
00:50 <@Corydon76-home> There are lots of terms like that when communicating about our infrastructure, and if you use the wrong word, you may get either an odd look or the wrong answer
00:50 < RangerZ1> plus it lets you solve problems MUCH faster b/c you follow the general work that others have already done
00:50 < aestetix> Although keep in mind
00:51 < aestetix> For Facebook at that time, the vocabulary was the set of words spoken by stanford CS grads
00:51 < RangerZ1> and your point?
00:51 < RangerZ1> you have to know your audience
00:51 < RangerZ1> lol
00:51 < aestetix> well
00:52 < aestetix> Is the point of college to learn, or to learn a set of vocabulary?
00:52 <@Corydon76-home> Both
00:52 < RangerZ1> both, but vocabulary allows you to actually be part of the team
00:52 < RangerZ1> if you know the vocabulary, you've finished like 40% of the battle
00:52 < RangerZ1> b/c you already know the concepts, etc
00:53 <@Corydon76-home> I've unfortunately met CS grads who learned the vocabulary but not the problem solving
00:53 < RangerZ1> that why I said 40% there
00:53 <@Corydon76-home> and I've also met computer whiz kids who learned problem solving, but not the vocabulary, and they were impossible to work with
00:54 < aestetix> hmm
00:54 < aestetix> I wonder if I can work design patterns into nymrights
00:54 < RangerZ1> easily
00:55 < RangerZ1> you actually need a 'pattern language'
00:55 < aestetix> well I mean
00:55 < aestetix> look at python
00:55 < RangerZ1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_language
00:55 < aestetix> there's an entire design guide for it
00:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Pattern language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
00:56 < RangerZ1> because you need to define terms, and then use them in a way that works together, and document that
00:56 < aestetix> sure
00:56 < aestetix> one of the questions I keep asking people
00:56 < aestetix> 1. how do you know a word is a name? 2. how do you know it's a "real" name?
00:56 < aestetix> It's because we have design pattersn for words and names
00:57 <@Corydon76-home> In fact, any word can be a name, just some words would be more confusing than others
00:57 < aestetix> right
00:57 <@oddball> hmmm... just found a peach pie "moonshine" recipe.  May have to try that for Phreaknic.
00:57 < RangerZ1> THE is a crap name
00:57 < aestetix> One of my friends, his name is "busdriver"
00:57 < aestetix> well that's his porn name anyways
00:58 < RangerZ1> see thats your problem
00:58 < RangerZ1> you live in the bay
00:58  * RangerZ1 comforts aestetix
00:58 < RangerZ1> lol
00:58 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ1: if you put an accent over the E in THE, that's actually a real name
00:58 <@Mirage> Just think of Zappa and the evil names he bestowed on his children.
00:58 < aestetix> Mirage: I've used Zappa as an example before
00:58 < RangerZ1> you could name a kid wilbur
00:59 < RangerZ1> thats just evil
00:59 <@Corydon76-home> What's evil is that there are still people naming their kids Adolf
00:59 < aestetix> Mirage: dweezil and moon unit, iirc
00:59 <@Mirage> There's always #.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/baby-hashtag_n_2199601.html
00:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: To The Mom Who Named Her Baby Hashtag [PHOTO] (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
00:59 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: if someone named John became president and created a holocaust in the US, would we stop naming kids john?
01:00 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I'd guess not, since Andrew Jackson perpetrated a holocaust, and we still name kids Andrew
01:00 < RangerZ1> nah
01:00 < aestetix> heh
01:01 < RangerZ1> we didn't consider them "people" at the time
01:01 < RangerZ1> gotta remember that
01:01 < aestetix> I mean, there are neo-nazis too
01:02 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLPmcFulDyg
01:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Section 0: Part 4: Overview of Patterns and Frameworks (Part 1) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:02 < RangerZ1> thats a good explanation
01:02 <@Corydon76-home> Neo-nazis have the cutest butts.  They just need some man-lovin'
01:02 < RangerZ1> first min or so
01:03 < aestetix> of nazis?
01:03 < RangerZ1> of patterns
01:03 < RangerZ1> the nazi video is later in the class
01:03 < RangerZ1> we shorcut "kill -9 -pid $" with "adolf $"
01:04 <@Mirage> damnit, you just reminded me that I missed the last HCF episode.
01:05 < RangerZ1> hehe
03:27 < RangerZ1> protip: when you go to shoutcast and select electronic/hard-house... to find a new random station
03:27 < RangerZ1> turn your speakers and bass down from 11
03:27 < RangerZ1> esp at 2:30am
03:35 < aestetix> heh
03:42 < aestetix> https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/super_mario_bros.12.html
03:43 < aestetix> the last two pages are what's interesting
03:49 < RangerZ1> what about it?
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07:43 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:47 <@klixa> morning
07:48 <@Dolemite> How's it going?
07:49 <@klixa> im up way too early... because of this person http://cl.ly/image/152X0F3n3j2A
07:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: IMG_1117.JPG (at cl.ly)
07:51 <@Dolemite> Yeah, that happens
07:51 <@Dolemite> At that age they're nowhere near respecting your sleep schedule
07:52 <@Bahhumbug> You could trade it in for a dog.
07:52  * Bahhumbug hides
07:52 <@klixa> i had a dog...i like my baby better :|
07:53 <@klixa> anyway, how is everyone else
07:53 <@Mirage> well, i've been up since 4:30 thanks to the top-off bucket running empty for my salt water tank...it makes really nasty sucking sounds and vibrates loudly when that happens.
07:53 <@Dolemite> Ready to go home
07:53 <@Dolemite> Been here nearly an hour
07:54 <@Dolemite> Mirage: That's why you should, you know, add water to it as it needs it ;)
07:55 <@Dolemite> I'm renting a car on Sunday and driving up the coast to Salt Point State Park.  You ever make it up there, klixa?
07:56 <@Mirage> Dolemite: yeah..been a little distracted w/ trying to get stuff packed to move..just in case the loan officer at BoA gets off his ass and gets my loan pushed through
07:56 <@klixa> Dolemite: im not exactly sure where that is (i will check) but i have been up and down nearly the entire california coast, san diego to crescent city...i think im 10 miles shy of ALL of it
07:56 <@klixa> Mirage: i always wanted a salt water tank... last tank i had was a 55 gallon goldfish/baby koi tank
07:57 <@Dolemite> klixa: It's up towards Oregon.  Has these really interesting looking rock formations where the salt and wind have wreaked havoc on them.
07:58 <@Bahhumbug> My in-laws where there last year.  They very much enjoyed it.
07:58 <@Bahhumbug> s/where/were/
07:58 <@Bahhumbug> English Fail :/
07:59 <@Mirage> Dolemite: Hit Agate Beach while your at it.  https://www.google.com/maps/search/agate+beach+ca/@41.0747214,-124.0476774,11z
07:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: agate beach ca - Google Maps (at www.google.com)
07:59 <@klixa> Dolemite: i have drive through there, but didnt stop; i used to own a house about 100 miles north of that
08:00 <@Dolemite> Mirage: That's a bit farther up the coast than I'll have time to get to
08:00 <@klixa> man, you 2 are making me miss cali
08:00 <@klixa> i even miss humboldt county now :/
08:01 <@klixa> i have been to agate beach Mirage
08:01 <@Dolemite> I know for sure I can make Salt Point.  Would like to go as far as Russian Gulch, but we'll see how the time is going.
08:02 <@klixa> if i were in frisco visiting and wanted nature, id go to Big Sur
08:02 <@klixa> thats one of my fav places around there
08:02 <@klixa> humboldt/redwoods are nice too, but they are 200+ miles away
08:28 <@Dolemite> dammit, klixa, I had my day planned and now you've got me second guessing :P
08:28 <@Dolemite> If I head down to Big Sur I'd probably have to go visit an old buddy of mine that has a winery down that way, too
08:29 <@Dolemite> and drink his wine
08:34 <@Dolemite> Nope, sticking with the Northern route.  To get to Big Sur I'd have to go through Monterey and actually *not* stop at the Aquarium, which I don't think I have the will to accomplish.
08:41 <@klixa> sorry :/ yeah, the salt place is better...who needs big sur
08:43 <@Dolemite> and wine
08:43 <@Dolemite> don't forget the wine
08:43 <@opticron> the aquarium in monterey just happened to be closed the week I was there a while back :/
08:44 <@opticron> was so disappointed
08:53 <@klixa> i have been to monterrey at least 20 times...never went to the aquarium :(
08:53 <@opticron> it's supposed to be pretty awesome
08:55 <@klixa> i never have money
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09:39 <@Mirage> Dolemite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s8mhU6P1Ho
09:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Beavis & Butt-Head watch Men Without Hats - The Safety Dance - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:43 <@Mirage> Dagmar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRQD3p2hMsI
09:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: NEW Beavis And Butthead Watch Skrillex - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:46 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: I specifically stayed out of that recent nlug thread just to see if and how long it would take someone to properly answer.
09:46 <@Bahhumbug> The overall lack of knowledge in that group is quite embarassing for a "LUG" community.
09:47 <@Corydon76-home> Someone previously stated that LUGs have a life cycle where newbies come in, and expert users go out.  Without a suitable pool of expert users, the newbies stay that way
09:48 <@Bahhumbug> There are regular contributors to that group that, while seemingly very nice people, are pretty damned clueless.  And they make money at this?  I just don't get it.
09:48 <@Bahhumbug> One of whom is an officer.
09:48  * Bahhumbug shrugs
09:49 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, the vast majority of that LUG are retirees
09:49 <@Bahhumbug> Group's gone downhill since Manoj and Mike Eldridge left.
09:49 <@Bahhumbug> Howard?
09:49 <@Corydon76-home> Howard is still in the workforce, but he's basically a mainframe programmer who didn't manage to strike it rich.
09:49 <@Bahhumbug> Heh.
09:50 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, he really is in the minority there, I'd have to agree.
09:50 <@Corydon76-home> If he didn't have a teenage kid, I'd say he'd be retired right now
09:50 <@Bahhumbug> I know Cobol hacks that are getting $500 and more an hour.
09:51 <@Corydon76-home> Howard also was a mainframe programmer on systems that are no more:  Honeywell
09:52 <@Corydon76-home> When you build up a lifetime of knowledge, and then the company basically goes bankrupt and stops producing the hardware on which your knowledge is based, you're pretty much screwed
09:53 <@Corydon76-home> Excuse me, the LUG is basically retirees and overworked grad students
09:53 <@Corydon76-home> and those grad students don't show up 90% of the time because they're, well, overworked
09:56 <@Bahhumbug> You can justify it how you want, and while you may be right, the level of knowledge, or lack thereof, is really quite embarassing.
09:56 <@Bahhumbug> Frankly, I don't know why I bother with it.
09:57 <@Corydon76-home> There's plenty of knowledge there, but for various reasons, it doesn't bubble up when needed.  Like your knowledge, for example.
09:57 <@Corydon76-home> Or my knowledge.
09:57 <@Bahhumbug> I know nothing.
10:29 <@Dagmar> Jesus some people are thick
10:31 <@evilpig> Dagmar: it's all the butter that does into southern cooking
10:32 <@Dagmar> I'm getting sick of hearing people tell me "well if you get another offer, take it"
10:32 <@Dagmar> I'm about to tell someone "Let's see you work somewhere for ten years and then see how you feel about having to walk away because of unprofessional bullshit taking place."
10:33 <@evilpig> ...
10:33 <@evilpig> I was there thirteen, but I was also pushed out the door
10:33 <@evilpig> and in the end it worked out much better for me
10:35 <@Dagmar> If I have to leave here because these people were unprofessional dicks, I am *going* to hold a grudge
10:35 <@evilpig> have you been hearing anything out of my mouth for the last 5 years?
10:36 <@Dagmar> ...and I'll start by ensuring they have a much harder time hiding all the things the students do
10:36 <@evilpig> my former boss being pulled into federal court?  me calling the feds on him?
10:37 <@Dagmar> Been down that road with Franklin Micro Systems
10:38 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: So that was HR's response, or your manager's response?
10:38 <@Dagmar> Knowingly selling pirated and professionally duplicated copies of MSDOS, embezzlement, knowingly selling machines with completely fake FCC approval stickers, etc etc
10:38 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: I'm hearing that from multiple people
10:38 <@Dagmar> However, I don't fucking *care* about other offers
10:38 <@Dagmar> I want to know why they seem to be allergic to paying me
10:39 <@Dagmar> I deserve a fucking answer at this point
10:39 <@evilpig> because they can
10:39 <@Dagmar> Oh no, it's not just that
10:39 <@Dagmar> They're _protecting_ someone
10:39 <@Dagmar> Someone high up.
10:39 <@evilpig> they've been protecting the houseplant as well.  he's black and protected.
10:40 <@Dagmar> What I heard from Bari about what was said when Troy and I were transferred back to ITS does *not* add up
10:40 <@Dagmar> Someone has let their personal bullshit affect me, and I will make them sorry for it
10:40 <@evilpig> you just need to find a way to reclassify yourself as a minority
10:40 <@Dagmar> I could easily to do that.
10:40 <@Dagmar> Globally, white people are a minority.
10:41 <@evilpig> as long as you stay a middle class, white, american.  you're their bitch, take it
10:41 <@Dagmar> No.
10:41 <@Dagmar> You overlook the part where I'm a psychotic bastard who has no problems making the wicked suffer.
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10:42 <@evilpig> as far as their are concerned you're still their bitch.  now if you start shooting the place up, you'll be unbalanced and they won't have any clue why it happened.
10:43 <@Dagmar> I won't need to shoot the place up, I'll just go find an ambulance-chaser.
10:44 <@Dagmar> At this point they have materially misrepresented enough things to me a suit would be asy
10:44 <@Dagmar> er easy
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11:00 <@shapr> yow!
11:01 <@evilpig> way to run her off, shapr 
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11:24 <@Bahhumbug> What ever happened with the falsified reviews?
11:30 <@shapr> ?
11:31 <@Dagmar> huh?
11:37 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I think he's referring to your past performance reviews by an idiot of a supervisor
11:38 <@Dagmar> Not a damn thing while i've been on vacation
11:38 <@Dagmar> There will probably be a stink when I refuse to show up for the ten year anniversary thing
11:39 <@Dagmar> they don't want to push me on this
11:39 <@Dagmar> I'll have no problems telling them if they can't be botehred to pay me properly then I'll be damned if I'll let them trot me around like a show pony to demonstrate what a "great place it is to work"
11:39 <@Dagmar> Fuck that shit
11:39 <@Dagmar> Fuuuuck it
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11:55 < aestetix> god
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11:55 < aestetix> I had a nightmare about the TSA
11:56 <@Bahhumbug> Lies.  You were thinking of Crazy Bitch and you had night terrors.
11:56 <@Bahhumbug> Admit it.
11:57 < aestetix> uh
12:04  * shapr hugs klixa 
12:08 <@Dagmar> In theory my new bike speakers will be delivered this evening
12:11 <@shapr> I know a bike whisperer, but not a bike speaker.
12:17 < aestetix> I wonder what would happen if the IRS wound up under the umbrella of DHS
12:17 <@shapr> I'm scared already
12:19 < aestetix> I keep getting into arguments with people who think government bureaucracy is good
12:19 < aestetix> And my response is generally "you haven't been fucked by it, have you..."
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12:24 <@Bahhumbug> Why do you argue with nutcases?  You aren't going to "win".
12:25 < aestetix> Quinn's latest piece just explained why
12:26 < aestetix> An analogy: fire isn't nearly as scared until you've been badly burned.
12:26 <@Bahhumbug> Fire is scared of you until it burns you?
12:26 < aestetix> scary*
12:26 <@Bahhumbug> :)
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12:33 < aestetix> I dunno. I want to believe there's hope for the US, but after what I saw in DC, and after talking to Quinn...
12:34 < aestetix> It seems like we're fucked.
12:42  * shapr shrugs
12:47 <@Dagmar> Which piece of Quinn's?
12:54 < aestetix> her latest
12:54 < aestetix> ok this is pissing me off
12:54 < aestetix> I have an lvm encrypted with luks
12:54 < aestetix> mount works fine, but some ext utilities claim they can't find the superblock
12:54 < aestetix> it's ext4
12:54 < aestetix> is there any way to display what the superblock is?
12:55 <@Dagmar> The one about childporn?
12:56 <@Dagmar> dumpe2fs will probably do it
12:56 < aestetix> it couldn't
12:57 <@Dagmar> Are you sure you have a _filesystem_ then?
12:57 < aestetix> yes
12:57 <@Dagmar> It works fine against ext4 filesystems here.
12:57 < aestetix> I'm able to mount it just fine
12:58 <@Dagmar> dumpe2fs /dev/hda7 | grep  superblock
12:58 <@Dagmar> Ahh
12:58 < aestetix> It's telling me there's a bad magic number
12:58 <@Dagmar> luks
12:58 < aestetix> maybe that's because it's encrypted
12:58 <@Dagmar> You broke the encrypted container, then?/
12:58 < aestetix> nope
12:59 <@Dagmar> Okay so why are you needing to know the superblock locations exactly?
12:59 < aestetix> Because I was trying to recover deleted data
12:59 <@Dagmar> lol
12:59 < aestetix> And extundelete won't work :)
12:59 < aestetix> I guess I can whip out scalpel
13:00 <@Dagmar> Oh
13:00 <@Dagmar> http://ktaraghi.blogspot.com/2012/11/volume-encryption-with-linux-unified.html
13:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Welcome To My Blog Page: Volume Encryption with the Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) (at ktaraghi.blogspot.com)
13:00 <@Dagmar> Start at figure 4
13:01 < aestetix> lol
13:01 < aestetix> with luksFormat?
13:01 <@Dagmar> No, with the bit about creating the new device so it maps _through_ luks
13:02 < aestetix> right
13:02 < aestetix> So let me rephrease
13:02 < aestetix> I have devices mapped through luks
13:02 < aestetix> and they are lvmed together into one big disk
13:02 < aestetix> that's the disk I'm trying to run the utilities on
13:02 < aestetix> that disk mounts just fine
13:03 <@Dagmar> You should be able to use dump2fs on it then
13:03 < aestetix> I agree.
13:03 < aestetix> But it won't work.
13:04 <@Dagmar> fucked up
13:04  * aestetix sighs
13:04 < aestetix> afk a bit
13:19 <@shapr> Anyone here tried Tahoe-LAFS?
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14:14 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' great
14:14 <@Dagmar> Weev is on Cyan's Facebook.
14:14 <@Bahhumbug> He's not back in prison getting pounded up the ass yet?
14:14 <@Dagmar> Nope
14:14 <@Bahhumbug> Shame.
14:14 <@Bahhumbug> Give it time.
14:18 <@Dagmar> Well, if we're lucky, a certain crazy bitch will get him to come here in October, and he'll do something utterly unaccetpable, cocksure in his role as "offensive to everyone" and then we'll have a demonstration of how to handle uncouth louts.
14:19 <@Dagmar> "Review time ladies:  When a man touches you inappropriately in public, what do you do?"
14:19 <@Dagmar> "1. Nothing"
14:19 <@Bahhumbug> That racist cunt is going to be at PN?
14:19 <@Dagmar> "2. Stop wearing such slutty clothes."
14:19 <@Bahhumbug> 3. Gut him like a pig.
14:19 <@Dagmar> "3. Nothing, but whine about it on your blog later."
14:19 <@Dagmar> "4. Kick his balls into his eye sockets"
14:19 <@Bahhumbug> And then gut him like a pig
14:19 <@Bahhumbug> ?
14:20 <@Bahhumbug> There really needs to be gutting.
14:20 <@Dagmar> I prefer to avoid having to try to wash bloodstains out of things
14:20 <@Bahhumbug> I will buy you new clothes.
14:20 <@Bahhumbug> I will replace the carpet.
14:20 <@Bahhumbug> As long as he's gutted.
14:20 <@Dagmar> Keep in mind those were steps for the ladies
14:20 <@Bahhumbug> I will buy them new clothes.
14:21 <@Bahhumbug> I don't care who guts him.
14:21 <@Bahhumbug> He's really going to PN?
14:21 <@Dagmar> Personally, I'm liable to pull a ware.
14:21 <@Dagmar> I kinda hope not, actually
14:21 <@Bahhumbug> Toss him off the roof?
14:21 <@Dagmar> Perhaps involving a window if the roof isn't readily available
14:21 <@Bahhumbug> I concur with that, actually.  It would be far better for him to just stay away.
14:24 <@oddball> Oh... on a happier note with PN.  I stumbled across a peach pie drink recipe.  Think people would be interested if I made a batch?  I'm already planning on making a double batch of apple pie.
14:24 <@Bahhumbug> I
14:24 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh
14:24 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sure people would like that.
14:25 <@oddball> People, not you?
14:25 <@Bahhumbug> Could I perhaps get a couple glasses of it?  I would like to dribble it all over weev and toss a match.
14:25 <@Bahhumbug> I no longer drink anything hard.
14:25 <@Bahhumbug> I stopped that nonsense 30 years ago.
14:25 <@oddball> ah
14:26 <@Dagmar> So, it only took F5 nine days to figure out their Enterprise Manager product is 'infected' with Heartbleed
14:26 <@oddball> As for your other idea, no good.  This stuff won't be 100+ proof, and therefor not flamable.
14:26 <@Bahhumbug> I made the mistake of drinking my initials on Christmas Eve on the coldest Christmas Eve in record back then.  I woke up, having lost at least 8 hours, with my sweat-soaked jeans _frozen_ to the cement in the gangway of my house.
14:26 <@Bahhumbug> That was the last time.
14:26 <@Dagmar> Drinking your initials?
14:26 <@Bahhumbug> J. D.
14:27 <@Bahhumbug> Never, ever drink something that has the same initials you do.
14:27 <@Bahhumbug> It can't possibly end well.
14:27 <@oddball> See... you're not supposed to drink the entire handle in one sitting.
14:27 <@Bahhumbug> Two bottles.  Between 3 people.
14:27 <@Bahhumbug> Never.
14:27 <@Bahhumbug> Ever.
14:27 <@Bahhumbug> Again.
14:27 <@Dagmar> You are weak.
14:28 <@Bahhumbug> I weighed all of 135 soaking wet back then.
14:28 <@Bahhumbug> And I never had a strong tolerance anyway.
14:28 <@Bahhumbug> So by most standards I was indeed a lightweight.
14:28 <@Dagmar> I used to drink a fifth of Jim Beam when I weighed about 140
14:28 <@Dagmar> It didn't knock me out
14:28 <@Bahhumbug> I'm happy for you.
14:28 <@oddball> Yeah... that is a pretty significant amount of whiskey.
14:28 <@Bahhumbug> I almost died.
14:28 <@Bahhumbug> So...
14:28 <@Dagmar> That was what made it a challenge
14:28 <@Bahhumbug> Nope.  Not again.
14:28 <@oddball> fair enough.
14:29 <@Dagmar> THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL YOU ONLY MAKES YOU STRONGER, YO.
14:29 <@Bahhumbug> Sure.
14:29 <@Bahhumbug> I am completely fine with you thinking I'm a lightweight.
14:29 <@Bahhumbug> I will, however, smoke you and everyone you know over, under and through a table.
14:29 <@Bahhumbug> So 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
14:29 <@oddball> See... the important thing is that *you* know you're a lightweight.
14:30 <@Bahhumbug> Yep :)
14:30 <@Bahhumbug> I get a good buzz off two beers these days and I am perfectly fine with that.
14:30 <@Bahhumbug> The few times a year I actually have two beers.
14:30 <@Bahhumbug> Meh, dogs need walking.
14:30  * Bahhumbug &
14:31 <@oddball> Looking at the recipe for this stuff, I'm going to guess the peach pie recipe is about as potent as my apple pie (~40proof).  So... good for a small glass and sipping, bad for large quantities and remaining upright.
14:37 < frsilent> venue's ~15m from the airport? as a non-crazy with gas money I may actually try to attend this one
14:39 <@Mirage> talking about PN?
14:39 <@oddball> I'd guess it's more like 20, but...
14:40 <@oddball> Mirage: I'm guessing you've heard that fearless leader has decided that we're going to be in the Maxwell House this year?
14:40 <@Mirage> Maxwell House might be ~15m in the middle of the night.  Probably more like ~25-30 during non-peak traffic times, and "omg, are we ever going to get there" during rush hour.
14:40 <@oddball> yeah
14:40 <@Mirage> oddball: yes, I still get mail from the lists.
14:41 < frsilent> hah alright I'll plan accordingly then
14:41 <@oddball> Oh, and he also wants to bring in enough in membership fees to secure funding for next year and make next year a donation con.
14:42 <@Dagmar> It's freaking easy to get to the Maxwell House
14:42 <@oddball> ...if you have the money.
14:42 <@Dagmar> ...and we are likely to be treated better there.
14:42 <@Mirage> The downtown loop should be avoided (if possible) between 7-9h and 16-18h.
14:42 <@Dagmar> Surface streets
14:43 <@Dagmar> Can't be any shiftier than the places we've had to drive through to get to DragonCon and SummerCon
14:43 < firemouth> lol i remember @ phreaknic watching two guys down a fifth of crown like it was water
14:43 < firemouth> #13 i believe
14:44 < firemouth> oh yeah, and it was like 8 or 9 am...
14:44 <@Dagmar> With two guys it would be pretty easy
14:44 <@oddball> Citing the fact that Libertycon has enough in the bank to run a couple cons without bringing in anything from membership.  Completely ignoring that they spent *many* years at a small hotel paying nothing for the space because they continuously sold every room in the place, and most of the rooms in the hotel across the street.
14:45 <@oddball> Dagmar: Eh... avoid the nearby projects, and you should be fine.
14:45 <@oddball> firemouth: Yeah, I tend to refer to the types that show up to hacker cons as "profesional drinkers."
14:46 <@Dagmar> ...and the award for Stupidest Net Neutrality Article goes to...URBAN TIMES!
14:46 <@Dagmar> http://urbantimes.co/2014/06/why-the-death-of-the-internet-may-have-already-begun/
14:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Why The Death Of The Internet May Have Already Begun Urban Times (at urbantimes.co)
14:47 <@oddball> The stupidity starts early "Net neutrality is not simple."  Yes.  Yes it is.
14:48 < firemouth> oddball: lol yeah thats part of the reason i don't make the drive down anymore.  i'm more of a geek than a drinker now a days
14:48 <@Dagmar> That article is just chock full of stupidly wrongness
14:49 < firemouth> i'd just end up drinking instead of geeking out, lol
14:49 <@Mirage> oddball: I like how they try to say that because end users have been paying different amounts for varying levels of connection speed (ie dialup -> isdn -> dsl -> cable -> t1) that a long standing precedent has been established for "prioritized traffic lanes"
14:50 <@oddball> Mirage: And the "it's not 'fast and slow' lanes, but 'fast and ultrafast lanes?'"
14:50 <@oddball> Ok.  I need to run out for a sec
14:50 < firemouth> yeah there's 5 over, 10 over and as fast as you can go until you alsmot rear end the guy in front of you
14:50 <@Mirage> Comparison of upstream costs for ISP's and companies has NOTHING to do with net neutrality...which is inconceivable to be that they can't understand
14:52 <@klixa> Mirage: the other day, some chick came to me FRANTIC that she lost all her music on her phone and would haev to download it ALL again... the punchline is she also had it on her desjtop and laptop but had NO clue you could transfer them to the phone
14:52 <@Dagmar> I think the article is there to muddy the waters.
14:52 <@klixa> this is why people dont understand things...thats the average person
14:53 <@Dagmar> ...just like how we had *two* net neutrality bills proposed, one of which did the exact opposite of what net neutrality means
14:53 <@Dagmar> ...ebcause there's just *no* excuse for thinking that there's one "internet backbone" and that all traffic _should_ go through it.
14:53 <@Dagmar> That's just fuckin' crazy talk
14:53 <@Mirage> klixa: the average person is the one who can't figure out how to unlock their car w/ the key because the battery went dead in the remote.
14:58 <@Dagmar> http://imgur.com/gallery/KK1gud1
14:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: Teenagers creating a new branch of math - Imgur (at imgur.com)
15:09 <@Dagmar> ...and people wonder why everyone thinks Canadians are a little slow.
15:13 <@klixa> i want to figure out who someone is, who hides behind tor... how does one begin such a thing>
15:14 < aestetix> well
15:15 < aestetix> the bureaureacts at noisebridge have gotten their wish
15:15 < aestetix> the ones who kept trying to be all legal and shit
15:15 <@klixa> aestetix: can you hax0r people's identities behind tor?
15:15 < aestetix> Noisebridge got a visit from the city inspector. They are about to find out just how fucked up SF's city permit laws are
15:15 < aestetix> klixa: only if they are using firefox 17
15:16 <@klixa> :/ i need to find out who someone is
15:16 <@klixa> well..i *want* to rather
15:21 < aestetix> Yeah....
15:21 < aestetix> Tor is actually quite secure against that
15:29 <@klixa> isnt there some kinda way to send the person a pic or other file, and they click on it/open it, and it reveals who they are?
15:29 <@Dagmar> ...and so the provocatuers win
15:29 <@Dagmar> You should keep a list of the most vocal of the dumbshits there
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15:44 < aestetix> heh
15:44 < aestetix> extundelete didn't work, but scalpel is
15:44 < aestetix> go figure
15:54 <@shapr> I'm being a n00b somehow. When Español is put into a form, the output is Español . That means a string is being input as utf8 and then decoded as latin1, right?
15:54 <@Mirage> klixa: if you send a pic w/ imbedded vbscript for tracking, be sure it's of Anna Kornakova(sp?).
15:55  * shapr swears at latin1
16:04 <@Mirage> shapr: word of advice..when sending a text message from your phone, if spellcheck tries to correct your spelling w/ special char's, don't do it.  It'll not only fail, but in my case it corrupted the SMS archive on the phone and I had to delete it.
16:05 <@shapr> whoa, nifty
16:05 <@shapr> sounds like a vulnerability waiting to happen
16:06 <@Mirage> yeah..tried to tell my aunt about a recipe with jalepenos in it...spell check added the ~ and SMS on the phone stopped working.
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16:18 <@shapr> Mirage: android?
16:18 <@Mirage> yeah.  4.3.1
16:19 <@shapr> wow, exciting
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18:17 < aestetix> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/06/27/sexist-lightning-8-out-of-10-killed-are-men/
18:39 <@evilpig> Mirage: I had that same problem
18:39 <@evilpig> same word even!
18:40 <@evilpig> second time this has made the daily sale and second time for 40%.  http://store.steampowered.com/app/266840/
18:40 <@evilpig> fuck that
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18:47 <@klixa> why fuck that...did you buy it while it was not on sale?
18:57 <@evilpig> I haven't
18:57 <@evilpig> and I'm still not buying it for this joke they call a sale
18:57 <@evilpig> Theory of a deadman tickets for $21.50 for oct 8.  hrmmmm.
19:53 < aestetix> http://www.literotica.com/s/confessions-of-a-toilet-slave (nsfw)
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