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00:04 <@Bahhumbug> I clicked that fucking image before I saw who it was from.
00:04 <@Bahhumbug> My mistake, obviosuly.  But still..
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00:27 <@NotLarry> I read that at porn queen annie
00:27 <@NotLarry> Wilpig: I do not know
00:48 <@NotLarry> fukfukfuk!
00:49 <@NotLarry> this guy is into his second 3 months here and does not know to open a fucking ticket on his own, or that "windows on call" would be who you would call for "scom" errors?
00:50 <@NotLarry> I'm not fucking being in the least bit helpful either.
00:59 < RangerZ> 2nd 3 months?
00:59 < RangerZ> and I figured out how the ticket system worked, by looking at it briefly from seeing wilpig use it, lol
01:07 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: that's what intelligent people do
01:07 <@Wilpig> he's working with chimps.  they have a concept of what a tool is but not fully grasped how to make them for themselves or fully utilitize them when they're given one
01:13 < RangerZ> then they are worse than dolphins, lolhttps://i.imgur.com/TUk2tQx.png
01:18 <@Wilpig> man... 2 hours to pull 8 fucking cables
01:18 <@Wilpig> that's some bullshit
04:23 <@Wilpig> Time for another break I think
04:24 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vbk9s23a65eqyq/2014-06-16%2004.24.02.jpg
04:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-06-16 04.24.02.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
04:25 <@Wilpig> too grainy to really tell how much has been pulled
07:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:12 <@Wilpig> this NEEDS to be done in the U.S.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2372554/Cannabis-plants-spring-German-town-campaigners-plant-thousands-seeds-protest-demonisation-drug.html#ixzz34lIKbA4j
09:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cannabis plants spring up all over German town after campaigners plant thousands of seeds in protest against the 'demonisation' of the drug | Mail Online (at www.dailymail.co.uk)
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10:29 <@Mirage> Bah, I saw "German Town" and expected to see pot growing in front of Monell's
10:31 < aestetix> oh boy
10:31 < aestetix> another one of those incel articles just showed up on HNN
10:34 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7898035
10:34 < aestetix> "omg I have no social skills woe is me"
10:38 <@shapr> vaina?
10:38 <@shapr> except I'll never see one until I grow more social skills?
10:40 < aestetix> shapr: it started out with someone whining that he's a computer geek with no social skills and no friends
10:41 < aestetix> and has turned into a thread with people who have half-developed skills mentoring someone with no skills
10:41 <@shapr> huh, sounds ... terrifying
10:42 <@shapr> mind you, from the drama I've seen at my makerspace, we could all use some social skills mentoring
10:42 < aestetix> Yeah, I'm not sure why americans suck at this so much
10:42 <@shapr> Spending a few years in Europe helps
10:43 <@shapr> Dutch people have no social politeness.
10:43 <@shapr> I've been smacked down in the most direct least offensive manner by Dutch people.
10:43 <@shapr> "Wow, you were such an asshole there."
10:44 <@Corydon76-home> I'm amused at the concept of you having a makerspace, and then commenting that the people there need mentoring for social skills
10:44 <@shapr> Corydon76-home: I included myself :-)
10:44 <@shapr> I'm by no means perfect at anything.
10:44 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: my complaint is less that there is drama
10:44 <@Corydon76-home> Uh, if you've joined a makerspace, you have sufficient social skills
10:45 < aestetix> And more that the drama is boring.
10:45 < aestetix> If you're going to cause vagina drama, put some thought into it and make it really entertaining and worthwhile.
10:45 <@shapr> Dude, I should tell you the story of my divorce..
10:45 <@Corydon76-home> I think there's an unrealistic expectation that somebody is going to be able to train you to be able to talk to anyone.
10:46 <@shapr> Corydon76-home: worked for me, my best friend at age 22 or so retrained me.
10:47 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: I've found that you'd be better off learning how to suck dick really well, and then your reputation will precede you, and no social skills are necessary
10:47 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: what age did you get married?
10:47 <@shapr> I was age 40
10:48 <@Corydon76-home> And clearly, you were retrained with enough social skills that that worked out for you
10:49 <@shapr> I won't say I totally lack social skills, but I would certainly benefit from understanding other people better.
10:50 <@Corydon76-home> The only way to understand other people is to communicate with them
10:50 <@shapr> some people won't communicate back
10:51 <@Corydon76-home> Those people you can forget
10:52 <@Corydon76-home> I do understand what you're talking about.  I get back responses from maybe 5% of the people I try to communicate with.  It's frustrating, but until you try, you won't know who will respond.
11:23 < aestetix> Speaking of the id
11:23 < aestetix> http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/14/living-by-the-sword/
11:23 < aestetix> enjoy
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13:31 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: With respect to "Johnny Potseed"... what makes you think people aren't _already_ doing that?
13:32 <@Dagmar> Mind you, probably the reason they're not more successful is that _good_ pot won't have any seeds in it, or that they'll at least be sterile.
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13:59 < aestetix> hey
13:59 < aestetix> http://portland.adacamp.org/policies/#scent
13:59 < aestetix> can someone explain how smoking is related to sexual harassment?
14:05 <@NotLarry> I'd like to see some of this "good pot" of which you speak.
14:06 <@NotLarry> Of course, were I actually witness to it's existance I would, as a responsible citizen, have to follow legal precident and destroy it, probably with fire...
14:10 <@Dagmar> That's the proper thing to do.
14:11 <@Dagmar> aestetix: It's to deal with the bitches who wear *way* too much perfume
14:11 <@Dagmar> ...and let's not forget Axe, Douchebag Spray.
14:13 < RangerZ> also.... BO
14:13 < RangerZ> don't want to let some smelly male in  , geeze
14:15 <@Dagmar> I'll wager it was brought up specifically because of douchebag spray
14:16 <@Dagmar> Anyone that's going to have a coughing fit or an allergic reaction because of human scent should probably stick with their bubble habitat
14:16 <@Dagmar> Still, I'll bet you that the people who do so are also on a "strict gluten-free diet" because of their "allergies".
14:17 <@Dagmar> So, let's just set them on fire and call it a day.
14:20 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I think we should come up with a new completely bogus disease to "infect" hypochondriacs, then right after the disease goes viral, reveal it to be a hoax.
14:23 < aestetix> Dagmar: you know what you do? Sit in a chair on the other side of the room.
14:24 <@Dagmar> I, for one, do not wish to be person in the middle of all the drama for when the AMA makes history by hiring a hit man.
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15:28 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I'm actually one of those people, but do you see me complaining about it... geeze
15:28 < RangerZ> I'm allergic to most soaps, cleaners, etc
15:29 < RangerZ> thankfully my sense of smell is so bad (from such bad allergies as a kid, and other stuff) that I can't smell most perfumes, etc... but I can't walk down certain isles in stores with laundry detergent, etc...
15:29 < RangerZ> but thats a minor issue that is MY problem to deal with, no reason to make fucking rule about it
15:32 < RangerZ> can we also make a rule that people have to have an IQ over 110, and be able to hold down a job for more than 3 months?
15:33 < RangerZ> because we might have people who find those who don't fit that criteria insulting
15:33 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: High IQ is no bar to being fooled by con artists
15:35 < RangerZ> I'm well aware
15:35 < RangerZ> my one cousin has a 140+ IQ, but is a waste of a human life (hence why I put the holding down a job for 3 months criteria) lol
15:39 < oddball> Yep... summer is here.
15:40 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Something melted out in front?
15:40 < oddball> I just had to wear gloves to stop from burning myself when unpacking the car.
15:41 < aestetix> RangerZ: good thing you have the Ada Initiative to protect you
16:03 <@Dagmar> Fucking goddamn christ on a motherfucking crutch Andrew does *not* get it
16:03 <@Dagmar> "Keep wordpress updated" he says
16:03 <@Dagmar> Fucking no.
16:03 <@Dagmar> NO FUCKING LIVE CODE
16:03 <@Dagmar> Live code == EVENTUAL COMPROMISE
16:03 <@Dagmar> For fuck's sake
16:06 <@Dagmar> I mean, this is getting fucking ridiculous at this point
16:07 <@Dagmar> Collectivey we've got like 100 years experience at this shit saying "DO NOT USE MALLEABLE INTERFACES ON THE FUCKING WEB"
16:08 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: What kind of site is this, anyway?
16:08 <@Dagmar> Why in the SCREAMING FUCK are people so hell bent on having "dynamic websites" for what's going to eventually be a static, unchanging document, and before it becomes will generally only see a small *fraction* of the changes made to it compared to the number of times it will be viewed exactly the same
16:08 <@Corydon76-home> I mean, other than Wordpress
16:08 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: This is the same ongoing bullshit argument from people who want to put the fucking PN site up on goddamn Wordpress
16:09 <@Corydon76-home> Ah
16:09 <@Dagmar> It's goddamn retarded
16:09 <@Dagmar> No amount of "Keep Wordpress Updated" is going to mitigate 0-days.  Period.  Not for long, and definitely not for >10 years.
16:09 <@Dagmar> We already have one year's website AWOL for silly thinking like this.  PN8, IIRC.
16:09 <@Dagmar> The only thing that's going to be "safe" is an absolute minimum exposed code surface, meaning static documents and prayer that there's no zero-day for the webserver itself before we can fix/mitigate it.
16:09 <@Dagmar> Fucking fumblepad
16:10 <@Dagmar> FOr that matter, ten years from now, how many fucking frameworks is that site going to need to be supporting
16:10 <@Corydon76-home> Well, let's see.  I'm sure there's some criteria we can come up with that ensures that you can run a Wordpress site safely, but he cannot possibly do in a hosted environment...
16:10 <@Corydon76-home> 1) read only database.  2) readonly filesystem...
16:10 <@Dagmar> ...and when it comes to Amber it's like she's literally being a retard on purpose
16:11 <@Dagmar> I say point blank "Write it in WP and scrape it into static documents to go on the production site and you're fine... Just NOT letting the public ever fucking touch the dev site.  Separation of dev and prod is best practice anyway"
16:11 <@Dagmar> ...five minutes later she's back to saying "So what's the big problem with WordPress anyway"
16:12 <@Dagmar> The next 2600 meeting, the first bit of dumbassery out of her is going to be responded to by verbal blowtorch
16:13 <@Dagmar> I really do think her primary reason for showing up is to create disharmony
16:13 <@Dagmar> ...and "dumbassery" in this case would include attempting to flirt with me
16:13 <@Dagmar> So, when she eventually reads this, she'd better pay attention.
16:14 <@Dagmar> ...because I woudn't put it past her to have a mole in here.
16:14  * aestetix sighs
16:14 < aestetix> Does anyone beside the IRS actually like the IS?
16:14 < aestetix> IRS
16:14 <@Dagmar> I'm done with being civil in the face of her pernicious bullshit
16:15 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: what kind of bullshit question is that?
16:15 < aestetix> Dagmar: isn't there a plugin.... Mostly Static I think it was called
16:15 < aestetix> That will take your pages, ftp them to another system, and post them.
16:15 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: everyone I know complains about the IRS. Was just listening to someone complaining about them.
16:16 < aestetix> And I have never heard anyone say "Oh boy, I love the IRS!"
16:16 <@Dagmar> aestetix: That's why I think Amber is being a thicko on purpose.  I said this shit about static content three times during the last meeting, and still she kept talking about shit which was _not_ static
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> I've never had trouble with the IRS, but then again, I also don't try to cheat on my taxes.
16:17 <@Dagmar> Might as well be asking if you can only "partially murder people"
16:17 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I think it's more a fundamental issue with taxes to begin with.
16:17 <@Dagmar> There's the one thing, and then there's the wide world of everything else which is definitely *not* that same thing.
16:17 < aestetix> Which I do share. I think payroll taxes, for example, are unconstitutional.
16:17 <@Corydon76-home> Taxes are the admission price to living in a civilized society
16:18 < aestetix> Dagmar: maybe it was called Really Static I can't remember
16:18 <@Corydon76-home> You are more than welcome to emigrate to Somalia, where if you have a big enough gun, you don't have to pay anybody anything
16:18 < aestetix> But yeah, it was a plugin created precisely because of that.
16:18 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: payroll taxes are different. They were created solely to fund social security.
16:18 <@Dagmar> Andrew seems to listen at least
16:19 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: and I think the "civilized society" argument only goes so far.
16:19 <@Dagmar> If Jekyll does what it claims it does, it'll solve the problem, but it smells like some fucking python hipsters attempt at self-praise for reinventing wget the hard way
16:20 <@Dagmar> ...and I am jolly fucking sick of noobasses using git throwing up HTML 5.0 pages full of bullshit and naievete
16:20 < aestetix> It's one thing to pay taxes to support schools, police, etc.
16:20 < aestetix> It's another to support the cancer that the federal government has become.
16:20 <@Dagmar> How many fuckin' bitcoin exchanges immolated in the last three years because of this kind of shit?
16:20 <@Dagmar> I can think of at least three
16:20 <@Dagmar> "hey let's use Ruby for something important because Ruby is awesome!"
16:20 <@Dagmar> FUCK NO.
16:21 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: unless you're making the argument that bureaucracy is necessary for a civilized society, in which case every mathematician will disagree with you.
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Ah, yes, the "if the government is doing something I don't like, it must be because the government has gotten too large" argument.  Bullshit!
16:21 <@Dagmar> Fuck it.
16:21 <@Dagmar> Let's build camps and just start rounding up all the Ruby and PHP people.
16:21 <@Dagmar> The internet will be a better place.
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: bureacracy is necessary to prevent patronage
16:22 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: is that true of all bureaucracy?
16:22 < aestetix> It's one thing to have a set of procedures that holds true for everyone.
16:22 <@Dagmar> Some of the bitcoin fans came up with something interesting that's on news.y today
16:22 < aestetix> It's another to have.... what we have.
16:22 <@Dagmar> https://eris.projectdouglas.org/
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: And what is that that we have?
16:23 <@Dagmar> "Part I: Decentralised Governance in Legal Frameworks"
16:23 <@Dagmar> Of course, they'll probably have a mysterious car engine explosion in a month or two
16:23 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: the largest bureaucracy in the world, a jungle through which it is impossible to do anything.
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: not so mysterious when they're making post-factory alterations to the engine
16:23 <@Dagmar> An engine for decentralized orgs is a nightmare scenario for the NSA crowd
16:24 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: again, bullshit
16:24 <@Dagmar> The last thing they want is for people to be able to get highly organized *and* crypographically anonymous
16:24 < aestetix> Dagmar: we've had decentralized orgs. It was called the articles of confederation.
16:24 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: ok. Please explain why the Department of Homeland Security is vital.
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: the largest bureaucracy in the world is CHINA, not the US
16:25 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Because the KGB had no retirement program that didn't involve shallow graves
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> Or INDIA, if you want a democratic bureaucracy
16:25 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: That's only because they've got more people than we do by a factor of a jillion
16:26 < aestetix> So you think DHS is vital?
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: No, it's because they've purposely inverted the purpose of bureaucracy to support patronage, instead of eliminating it
16:26 <@Dagmar> Who?  Us?  China?
16:26 <@Dagmar> From where I sit they're both corrupt as fuck
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> India and China
16:27 <@Corydon76-home> Try to build a power plant in India, and you might succeed after about 50 years of trying
16:27 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, poor us having to settle for mere lobbyists and corporations for whom money is somehow speech
16:27 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Just gotta bribe the right people
16:27 <@Dagmar> IAWK did have a DC in India, IIRC
16:27 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: precisely.  That's patronage
16:28 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: so you're suggesting that our bureaucracy does not prevent patronage?
16:28 <@Dagmar> We basically _legalized it_
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: in large part, ours does
16:28 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: also keep in mind it's not that I don't like large government. It's that I don't like large federal government.
16:29 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: No, you just don't like some things that the federal government does.  There's a difference.
16:29 <@Corydon76-home> Do you honestly think that if the federal government were smaller, that the NSA spying on its own citizens wouldn't exist?  BULLSHIT!
16:30 <@Corydon76-home> If it was smaller, they'd eliminate all of the social programs that benefit a large portion of society, and they'd STILL spy on us.
16:30 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I think the question is in the word "large"
16:31 < aestetix> I don't mean size, as much as scope.
16:31 <@Corydon76-home> The number one runaway sector of government is the defense industry, and the people screaming the loudest for smaller government want a bigger defense budget
16:31 < aestetix> That's because they are idiots.
16:31 < aestetix> I'm likely an idiot, but for different reasons :)
16:32 <@Corydon76-home> It doesn't matter.  You're not going to get what you want.
16:32 <@Corydon76-home> All you're going to do is screw over the artists in San Francisco that you call friends
16:35 <@Dagmar> So let's shoot some people
16:35 <@Dagmar> It's going to happen eventually, we might as well beat the rush
16:37 <@Dagmar> The FBI, DHS, and NSA collectively spying on every man, woman and child in the US, and exactly fuck all is done about the political corruption and bribery that everyone knows is taking place.
16:37 <@Dagmar> ...yet the same group of asshats has merrily abrogated the Bill of Rights without so much as a second thought.
16:38 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: no, the reason I am in favor of concentration into the states is because I can go to my local city hall and complain about things
16:38 <@Dagmar> Their ides of "reasonable search" is not anally probing citizens without a privacy curtain
16:38 <@Corydon76-home> If we were able to get the disaffected millions who refuse to vote to go to the polling place on Election Day and vote as a block, we could turn around this country in as little as 5 years
16:38 <@Dagmar> No, you couldn't.
16:39 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: ever heard of Diebold?
16:39 <@Corydon76-home> The endemic problem in this country is cynicism
16:39 <@Dagmar> The endemic problem in this country is that literally _all_ the politicians are bought and paid for
16:39 <@Corydon76-home> and complacency
16:39 <@Dagmar> There isn't any legitimate person to vote for in better than 80% of districts
16:39 <@Corydon76-home> and laziness
16:39 <@Dagmar> So save that silly shit for people who don't vote
16:40 <@Dagmar> I've been making my voting decisions based on "Who I'd least like to punch in the mouth" for the last 16 years.
16:42 <@Dagmar> Alexander and Corker all but voted for sodomizing puppies during their last terms, and they STILL got re-elected
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16:54 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: assuming I voted, and trusted that it was counted, who is there to vote for?
16:55 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: is there any reason you can't run?
16:55 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: three reasons. CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News
16:56 <@Corydon76-home> What did you do to piss off those networks?
16:56 < aestetix> Nothing yet.
16:56 < aestetix> But do you think it's actually possible to have any kind of worthwhile politician with the media in the current state?
16:57 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Ask Cantor
16:57 <@Dagmar> Aestetix might actually have more skeletons than I do
16:57 <@Dagmar> ...and I have enough to raise an army and just take over by brute force if I can just get this necromancy thing working.
16:58 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: the first thing they will ask about is my associations with Wikileaks.
16:59 < aestetix> (which are nonexistent except by association)
16:59 < aestetix> Because I am friends with people who are involved.
16:59 <@Corydon76-home> You're overthinking it
16:59 < aestetix> Am I?
17:00 <@Dagmar> ...and from there they'll probably just make some shit up to tide them over until they find out about the porno.
17:00 <@Corydon76-home> The only people who care about that shit don't have a vote in San Francisco anyway
17:00 < aestetix> Oh I see.
17:00 < aestetix> You're suggesting I run for *local* office.
17:01 <@Corydon76-home> I'm suggesting that you get some experience before going for higher office, yes
17:01 <@Dagmar> Maybe start at the local playground by stealing candy from babies
17:02 <@Corydon76-home> Only complete morons try to run for President before being elected to a statewide office first
17:02 < aestetix> And if I ran for local office, I'd spend most of my time telling the federal government to go fuck itself.
17:02 <@Corydon76-home> Pffft.  That's only for statewide offices
17:02 <@Corydon76-home> Try something like a county clerk
17:03 <@Corydon76-home> Hell, run to be the next dogcatcher for all I care
17:04 <@Corydon76-home> Point is, figure out how to campaign to people and get them to vote for you
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17:04 <@Corydon76-home> and when you succeed at that, go for something bigger
17:05 <@Dagmar> Promise them that if elected, you'll fuck Cantor in the ass.  Hard.
17:08 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you know that you're pretty much a politician already, given that you're navigating that name bullshit committee, right?
17:10 < aestetix> name bullshit commitee?
17:10 < aestetix> oh you mean the IDESG
17:10 <@Dagmar> IDESG
17:11 < aestetix> I'm just making sure they don't do anything that's stupid AND fucks with me.
17:11 < aestetix> I expect them to do stupid things.
17:29 < aestetix> http://www.cnet.com/news/3d-printed-dress-reveals-your-body-as-you-reveal-data/
18:57 < RangerZ> fuck FIFA and comcast/etc
18:57 < RangerZ> I have to watch the video on telemundo
18:57 < RangerZ> and listen to audio on streaming radio
18:57 < RangerZ> :/
18:58 < RangerZ> because I don't subscribe to cable TV :/
19:11 < aestetix> RangerZ: Corydon76-home called me a politician. Can you give him a timeout?
19:22 < aestetix> ok
19:22 < aestetix> RangerZ: are you around?
19:22 < aestetix> I need to test an email thing. Who can check their email right now
19:34 < aestetix> nevermind
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20:33 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/16/doctors-who-e-cigarettes-tighter-controls
21:10 <@Dagmar> DOCTOR WHO ECIGS?!?
21:10 <@Dagmar> AWESUMM
21:12 <@Dagmar> aestatix: Shit like this is why if we wish to preserve the future, we need to start euthanising hipsters https://www.facebook.com/events/632029510189309/671333606258899/?comment_id=715158495209743&notif_t=event_mall_comment
21:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Galactic Convergence: A Technological Night in Psychedelia [THIS WEEKEND!!] (at www.facebook.com)
21:13 <@Dagmar> Fucktard wants to call me a _newbie_ and seems to think I don't know what psytrance is
21:13 <@Dagmar> They were playing fucking _jungle_
21:13 <@Dagmar> Jungle is goddamn easy to define.  Lots of snares, alternating time signatures, with the snares in the foreground
21:14 <@Dagmar> ...and the fucking happy hardcore was just that
21:14 <@Dagmar> Happy hardcore.  BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM at >180 fucking BPM
21:14 <@Dagmar> The DJ was playing "the things I like to listen to" and ignoring that no one was dancing
21:21 <@Dagmar> It makes me want to _bludgeon_ hipsters.  It really does
21:40 <@Dickie> I don't get special pronouns for non-cis people.
21:40 <@klixa> dude...keep your negative vibes off my irc
21:41 <@Dickie> I'm interested in the argument
21:41 <@klixa> cause , like if i tell people they suck and are negative, it's soo not negative of me to do that and doesn't make me a hippocrite
21:41 <@Dagmar> The universe is unimpressed with special people.
21:42 <@Dagmar> ...and their fucking pronouns.
21:42 <@Dickie> Cis feels stupid to say
21:42 <@Dagmar> That's probably because it _is_ dumb
21:43 <@Dagmar> These are people who are doing something on par with being angry at _gravity_.
21:43 <@Dagmar> "Normal" is a fuckin' word.
21:43 <@Dagmar> It's a description, not a judgment.
21:43 <@Dagmar> There is no actual problem with calling hetero people "normal".
21:43 <@klixa> i hate people like znat allya
21:43 <@Dagmar> There is no problem with calling homosexual people "normal" either.
21:43 <@klixa> i dont even know znat allya
21:44 <@Dagmar> klixa: Well, she's going to get an earful if she makes the foolish mistake of bringing that hippie shit to me in person
21:44 <@Dagmar> klixa: I was floored.  Seriously?  ME not knowing psytrance?  Fucking please
21:44 <@klixa> well she's going on about all this negative stuff then talks about wanting to keep negative vibes out
21:44 <@Dagmar> Yeah
21:45 <@Dagmar> I am still trying to be civil about that, but I really want to just tell them to lay off the synthetic pot while they've still got some brain cells left.
21:45 <@Dagmar> If I hadn't accidentally wiped those recordings I'd have already posted them screaming "THIS IS FUCKING JUNGLE YOU IGNORANT HIPSTER"
21:46 <@Dagmar> Psytrance _throbs_.  It does not involve asymmetric fucking snare lines
21:48 <@Dagmar> If they never left the dance floor, I suspect they might have been the "that one guy" with the backpack
21:48 <@Dagmar> The one that doesn't realize that standing there and sort of flailing around isn't actually dancing
21:49 <@Dagmar> These people were just too damn high to realize what they were hearing
21:49 <@klixa> also, not everyone is acutely aware of the the exact genre any particular piece of music is
21:53 <@Dickie> Everyone just calm down
21:53 <@Dickie> Don't you see? This is exactly what Hitler wants.
21:54 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: cis-man versus trans-man?
21:54 <@klixa> lol
21:54 <@Wilpig> man vs trans-man
21:54 <@Wilpig> there is no cis.  fuckin' tards
21:55 <@Dagmar> klixa: Yeah but... when I say they strayed into jungle territory, it wasn't just a _little_
21:55 <@Corydon76-home> If you just say "man", it's ambiguous
21:55 <@Dagmar> We're talking one bassline, 6/8 and 7/8 snares, and one synth line as backup
21:55 <@Dagmar> Like, _pure_ jungle at one point
21:55 <@Wilpig> there is man, being hte normal form. and then there is I wanna chop my dick off cause I have a chemical imbalance 
21:55 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: You know, I'm kind of of the thinking that "man" generally means "has a penis"
21:56 <@Dagmar> ...and look, this online dictionary seems to be confirming it
21:56 <@Dagmar> It's just a definition for the ease of communicating a concept to others
21:56 <@Dagmar> It's not a value-judgement
21:56 <@klixa> dont say that in #defocus you will be banned a month :|
21:57 <@Dagmar> If someone feels like a woman but they've got a penis, that's fine.  They're a woman in a man's body
21:57 <@klixa> they didnt like that i said its dishonest for a man with a penis to tell people hes a woman
21:57 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: those are trans-women, then
21:57 <@Dagmar> It's an exception case, not the _norm_, by which I mean _normal_ state
21:57 <@Dagmar> Like from math
21:57 <@Corydon76-home> and they continue being trans-woman post-surgery
21:57 <@Dagmar> "Normal" does not, as these people seem to think, imply everything else is "fucked up"
21:58 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: average state
21:58 < aestetix> uh
21:58 <@Dagmar> Not average, normal
21:58 <@Corydon76-home> Normal is a statement of how someone ought to be.
21:59 <@Wilpig> have dick, you ought to be a man
21:59 <@Dagmar> It may be "normal" _because_ it's the mean condition, but it's not "average"
21:59 <@klixa> the ought is not part of the meaning
21:59 <@Corydon76-home> Mean == Average
21:59 <@Dagmar> Well, median condition then
22:00 <@Dickie> Quit being so average
22:00 <@Corydon76-home> There you go
22:00 <@Dagmar> Either way, the overwhelmingly vast majority of people are one physical sex or the other
22:00 < aestetix> Except for my friend
22:00 <@Dickie> Tell them I said hi
22:00 <@Wilpig> except anyone associated with aestetix 
22:01 <@klixa> i dont see why everyone insists on being accepted by everyone...and those same people are condemining the "narrow minded masses" who wont accept them
22:01 <@klixa> i hate political correctness
22:01 <@Dagmar> But "normal" doesn't mean "ought to be" any more than an average flight altitude means the plane is fucking up when it's landing or taking off
22:01 <@Dickie> You don't want to know what it said about you
22:01 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Normal cruising altitude?
22:01 < aestetix> you know
22:01 < aestetix> open mindedness means being open to new ideas
22:01 <@Dagmar> Precisely.
22:02 < aestetix> it does not mean accepting every new idea
22:02 <@Dagmar> I got someone more than a little mad by mentioning I thought they'd strayed into the "so open-minded their brain fell out" area
22:02 <@Dickie> I'm pretty sympathetic to trans people
22:02 < aestetix> That reminds me of the fight I got into this person who had been a trans-woman for six months
22:02 <@Dickie> They should let me hug them
22:02 <@Dickie> ...but only the pretty ones
22:02 <@Dickie> I'm still pretty shallow
22:02 < aestetix> The fight was over my using certain words
22:02 < aestetix> because it made her uncomfortable
22:02 <@klixa> what words
22:02 < aestetix> and all these idiots sided with her because she was trans
22:03 <@Dickie> "of" "turnip" and "Alcatraz"
22:03 <@Dagmar> klixa: ObWarning... the person in question was being a goddamn twit
22:03 <@klixa> aestetix: what words did you use
22:03 < aestetix> Her argument was shit, but she was trans, so...
22:03 < aestetix> klixa: guess
22:03 <@Dickie> GIMP is offensive
22:03 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: you should let me give you a naked hug from the back.  I promise I'll only go in shallow.
22:03  * Dickie giggles
22:03 <@Dagmar> Dickie: I find Ph*t*sh*p to be incredibly offensive
22:04 <@Dickie> he
22:04 <@klixa> aestetix: i have no idea what it could have found offensive
22:04 <@Dickie> Bailey Jay's pretty. She can hug me.
22:04 <@Dagmar> That doesn't mean it's reasonable for me to declare that everyone else should call it "Adobe Product 4872"
22:04 <@Dagmar> Dickie: I'm sure you'l be astonished I know about that, but I agree
22:04 <@Dickie> Doesn't Dan Savage say trannie porn is for straight people?
22:04 <@Dagmar> She's cute
22:04 <@Dagmar> Almost a shame she has a dick
22:05 <@Dickie> Minor setback
22:05 < aestetix> I seem to have lost my channel ops
22:05 <@Wilpig> bailey jay is a nice looking tranny
22:05 <@Dickie> Pretty sure she loves me
22:05 <@klixa> aestetix: are you identified
22:05 <@Dickie> Just sayin
22:05 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: How about Deception?
22:05 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Eh?
22:05 < aestetix> yes
22:05 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: drag performer at Play
22:06 <@Dagmar> Dunno
22:06 <@Dickie> pics
22:06 < aestetix> oh well, the moment has passed
22:06 <@Dagmar> I'm not out there enough
22:06 <@Dagmar> I used to go to the Chute with Nunu Bass tho so it's not like I haven't seen convincing trans people before or something
22:06 <@Corydon76-home> The one who had cancer last year and was in the hospital for an extended period
22:06 <@klixa> damn aestetix, your account is 10 years ol
22:06 <@klixa> old*
22:06 <@Dagmar> Still no idea
22:06 <@Dagmar> Bailey Jay is cute by any standard
22:06 <@klixa> i changed my nick, but if i had it still, mine would be 7 years or so...
22:07 <@Corydon76-home> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Deception/206504739367626
22:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Deception (at www.facebook.com)
22:07 <@Dagmar> Remember that my personal polcy is that if I'm not fuckin' them, I don't care what's in their pants
22:07 <@Dagmar> Not my business, not my problem
22:07 <@Dickie> Not my type
22:07 < aestetix> I am not sure that that is a good thing
22:07 <@Dagmar> Jay is cuter, but Deception could stand to wear a bit less makeup
22:08 <@klixa> the legs are the only giveaway
22:08 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: you should see Deception's legs
22:08 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: i think tahts whose legs i am looking at, the blonde you just linked
22:09 <@Dickie> Lots of paint on that lady
22:09 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: and surgery
22:09 <@Dickie> Yeah, but I didn't want to be rude
22:09 <@Dagmar> Dickie: Yeah in the big image her nose practically disappears
22:09 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashville/how-a-southern-baptist-boy-became-the-showgirl-deception-the-head-turning-cancer-battling-belle-of-church-street/Content?oid=4178447
22:10 <@klixa> tho in most pics i would just think it was a woman with odd legs
22:10 <@klixa> i woudlnt know she was a man
22:10 <@Dickie> UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE
22:10 <@Dickie> dun dun duuuuuuun
22:10 <@Dagmar> heh
22:10 <@klixa> Dickie: it would be my first new person in like 15 years id still be ecite
22:10 <@Dagmar> Generally, for that to be a problem, _someone_ has to be undignified
22:11 <@Dagmar> ...although it was pretty fun to see some of the rednecks at the Underground go a bit "too far" with their hands.
22:11 <@Dagmar> They'd get this funny look on their faces, and then *zoom* out the door
22:11 <@Dickie> Hey, just roll with it
22:11 <@klixa> rednecks at the underground?
22:11 <@Dickie> No one will remember you tuggin' on some dude's ding-dong in a nightclub
22:11 <@Dagmar> ...and every time, I'm thinking, what the fuck was that dude doing even putting his hand there in public when he barely knows this person
22:11 <@Dickie> Cut loose
22:12 <@Dickie> It's a party
22:12 <@Dagmar> klixa: Yeah it was a nightclub that was on 2nd Ave
22:12 <@klixa> Dagmar: no, i know...im shocked at hearing about rednecks being there tho
22:12 <@klixa> i always went on goth night tho
22:12 <@Dagmar> The manager actually had drag nights for awhile just to get the place a "reputation" so the asinine frat boys would stay the hell away
22:12 <@Corydon76-home> Most of the time, transwomen on hormones won't get erections anymore anyway
22:13 <@Dickie> OH NO
22:13 <@Dagmar> It was completely epic one night when there was singing and these three idiots started saying stuff that would be questionable in a strip club, and someone raised their dress.
22:13 <@Dagmar> Jaws *bounced* off the floor
22:13 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: one of the women in my irc channels was with a man and had 2 kids with him and about 2 years ago he decided to become a woman...she left him *only* because he coudlnt get erections anymore
22:13 <@Dickie> Wonder if viagra would work
22:14 <@Dickie> How does that even work? I mean, arousal doesn't happen? I wouldn't think it's particularly complicated down there.
22:14 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: My understanding of Viagra is that it only helps to sustain an erection, not to cause one
22:15 <@Dickie> That's *my* job
22:15  * Dickie gyrates
22:15 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: I had an ex who would get erections, but as soon as you touched it, it would go completely limp
22:16 <@Dickie> That's unfortunate
22:16 <@Wilpig> pretty sure that's what would happen to me if a dude touched my dick too
22:16 <@Dickie> As soon as you touched it, or anyone?
22:16 <@Corydon76-home> Anyone, even himself
22:16 <@klixa> Dickie: arousal is related ot hormones...when i was pregnant i wanted it alll the time
22:16 <@klixa> ALL THE TIME
22:16 <@Dickie> My wife claims she does, but gives no outward indication
22:17 <@Dickie> (she's preggers)
22:17 <@klixa> Dickie: the fact that you are aware of it is an outward indication
22:17 <@Dickie> Lame
22:17 <@klixa> and congrats Dickie
22:17 <@Dickie> "I told him I was horny a month ago. That ought to do it."
22:17 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: this will be your second, right?
22:17 <@Dickie> Yeah
22:17 <@Dickie> A SON
22:17 <@Dickie> Someone to rule my empire
22:18 <@Corydon76-home> Someone to piss in your face while you're changing his diaper
22:18 <@klixa> Dickie: yes, it should do it...if not tell her what you want her to do to show you
22:18 <@klixa> correction Corydon76-home, someone to piss in his wife's face
22:18 <@Corydon76-home> I'm sure Dickie has to do it once in awhile
22:18 <@Dickie> I change diapers, too
22:18 <@Dickie> It's 2014
22:19 <@klixa> i was joking...im not a man hater
22:19 <@klixa> Dickie: how old is your first one
22:19 <@Corydon76-home> For the record, it's the cold air hitting the tiny penis that generally makes it go up and start to pee
22:19 <@Dickie> klixa: the rule about dating (unless stated otherwise) is that you're not allowed to have sex with anyone else
22:19 <@Dickie> the rule about marriage is that you're not allowed to have sex with anyone
22:20 <@Dickie> She's 2
22:20 <@Corydon76-home> So there's generally this little jig you have to do, pulling the diaper back, and then quicking reversing course to catch the pee
22:20 <@Dickie> My daughter has projectile pooped once
22:20 <@Dickie> It was impressive
22:20 <@Dickie> I was unharmed
22:21 <@klixa> ugh
22:21 <@klixa> gross
22:21 <@klixa> lol
22:21 <@Dagmar> re: not allowed to have sex with anyone lol
22:21 <@Corydon76-home> Is that similar to a "blowout"?
22:21 <@Dickie> Naw, wife was changing her
22:21 <@Dickie> But instead of the pee trope, it was crap
22:21 <@Corydon76-home> I witnessed that from my niece when I was at my sister's recently
22:22 <@Corydon76-home> Well, at nursing age, it's all liquid anyway
22:22 <@Dickie> Yeah, it was that blackish stuff
22:22 <@Dickie> No big
22:22 <@Dickie> She eats people food now
22:22 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, on formula?
22:22 <@Dickie> We've weened her off Fancy Feast
22:23 <@Dickie> Yeah, she didn't take to the booby
22:23 <@Dickie> She was 5 weeks premie
22:23 <@Wilpig> HAHAHAH californication is great tonight...
22:23 <@Corydon76-home> Baby poop is yellow on breast milk, but brown on formula
22:23 <@klixa> speaking of poop...gotta change my baby...bleh
22:23 <@Wilpig> stu's got a real doll
22:24 <@Corydon76-home> And my apologies to anybody trying to eat while reading the channel right now
22:24 <@Dickie> Back to trannie sex
22:25 <@Corydon76-home> Speaking of which, I need to go cook some dinner
22:27 <@Dagmar> klixa: Go for a giraffe
22:28 <@Dickie> Bailey Jay has a weird dong
22:28 <@Dickie> But everything else is INCREDIBLE
22:28 <@Dickie> Isn't science amazing?
22:28 <@klixa> i have some of the most retarded people in my facebook..the kinda people that read the onion news and think its real
22:28 <@Dickie> Well, anyway. Enough of that.
22:29 <@Dickie> klixa, most of my people are hidden from my feed
22:29 <@Dickie> Everyone I know is an idiot
22:29 <@klixa> i dont have much of a life, so i need any entertainment i can get
22:32 <@klixa> Wilpig: update my picture http://i.imgur.com/m0sjvQj.jpg
22:33 <@Dickie> [CENSORED]
22:37 <@NotLarry> klixa: you misspelled fox.
22:41 <@Wilpig> k.  give me a sec
22:43 <@Wilpig> klixa: it should update tonight
22:43 <@klixa> ok thanks
22:51 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: is "wilpig's gf" the same thing as "nsfw"?
23:12 <@Dagmar>  I feel bad when I have to remind people on G+ that it's not Facebook
23:13 <@Dagmar> If you want me to share your linkbait on G+, eat a bag of dicks.
23:13 <@Dagmar> If you want magic Internet points, Reddit is right over there
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23:48 < RangerZ> Dagmar: you should ask them which circle you should share the link with, "morons who love to flame posts forwarded to them" or "people who promote Misogyny and Misandry"
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