--- Log opened Thu Jun 12 00:00:23 2014
02:31 <@Wilpig> this is frightening.  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-10/your-outlet-knows-how-smart-meters-can-reveal-behavior-at-home-what-we-watch-on-tv.html
02:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Your Outlet Knows: How Smart Meters Can Reveal Behavior at Home, What We Watch on TV - Bloomberg (at www.bloomberg.com)
02:49 <@Dagmar> You mean because people are crazy enough to believe that shit?
02:49 <@Wilpig> Honestly, I think it could be possible given fine enough measurements and an incredibly vast array of profile data
02:50 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure your TV does not consume a significantly different amount of energy based on what channel you're watching
02:51 <@Dagmar> THere's a difference between what one can read in a lab and what one can read from mass-produced electronics
02:52 <@Wilpig> it really comes down to how sensative those meters are.  are they capable of measuring microvolts.  if not now, why not down the line somewhere?
02:52 <@Wilpig> I don't see it as something probable anytime soon, but I see it as a possibility
02:52 <@Dagmar> Try pico
02:53 <@Dagmar> There's barely reason to make them sensitive enough to be milliampere accurate
02:53 <@Dagmar> Bloomberg is very shamefuly fear-mongering
02:54 <@Dagmar> Five bucks says less than a month from now they'll be talking shit about Google's acquisition of Nest
02:54 <@Wilpig> they might already have
02:55 <@Dagmar> ...because _Google_ is fucking with their ability to maintain a monopoly on memetic interchange
02:56 <@Wilpig> wtf are you doing up so late?
02:58 <@Dagmar> Just woke back up
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03:03 < aestetix> ok
03:03 < aestetix> http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/politics/white-house-cia-outing/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
03:04 < aestetix> "No one fired in outing of CIA official; leak ruled inadvertent"
03:04 < aestetix> Can someone tell me how this makes sense?
03:05 <@Dagmar> POlitical payback
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03:06 < aestetix> Obama is fucking weak.
03:06 < aestetix> Or a hypocrite.
03:06 < klixa-cloud> hypocrite
03:06 < aestetix> Someone else leaks data they go to jail.
03:06 < aestetix> The white house does it, whoopsie.
03:06 < klixa-cloud> all politicians are evil manipulative power hungry liars
03:06 <@Dagmar> Hence, political payback
03:06 < aestetix> klixa-cloud: yep
03:07 <@Dagmar> Because for sure, dude is *done* in Afghanistan now
03:07 < aestetix> you know
03:07 < aestetix> if someone had outed me like that, I would fucking want their head
03:07 <@Dagmar> Also keep in mind Afganistan was recently informed that the NSA watches them while they fap
03:07 < aestetix> It's not just oops I made a typo
03:07 < aestetix> It's bye bye career
03:07 < aestetix> true
03:10 < aestetix> One thing just occured to me
03:11 < aestetix> In oakland, anyone can go to city hall and ask questions
03:11 < aestetix> Why can't anyone go to the white house and ask questions?
03:13 < aestetix> I should tell people not to use the word "federal government" around me because it will trigger PTSD from being in the DC area
03:17 <@Bahhumbug> Hey, aestetix.... "federal government".
03:17 < aestetix> stop opressing me
03:17 <@Bahhumbug> I want trigger you into a breakdown.
03:17 <@Bahhumbug> want to, even
03:21 < klixa-cloud> traveling triggers my PTSD
03:21 < klixa-cloud> I'm traveling to Nebraska in next few days :(
03:21 < aestetix> maybe I can ask people to use "FGTW" for federal government trigger warning
03:21 <@Wilpig> there is nothing in nebraska
03:22 < klixa-cloud> Wilpig: I know :(
03:22 < aestetix> Wilpig: there is lots of room
03:23 <@Wilpig> great place to hide a body I guess
03:27 <@Bahhumbug> Speaking of that....
03:27 <@Bahhumbug> Bonnaroo :/
03:29 <@Wilpig> is that shit coming up again?
03:29 <@Wilpig> you're about to be invaded by hippies
03:29 <@Bahhumbug> About to be?
03:29 <@Bahhumbug> Gates are already open and people are already flooding in.
03:30 <@Bahhumbug> I almost decked some drunk asshole from MN when I was at the gas station earlier.
03:32 <@Bahhumbug> Once all the smelly hippies and wannabes are locked inside it's fine.
03:32 <@Bahhumbug> I will say this, however.
03:32 <@Bahhumbug> There is a _lot_ of _very_ fine tail in the area at the moment.
03:33 < aestetix> So
03:33 < aestetix> Are there any areas of our lives that the federal government does NOT touch?
03:33 < aestetix> I was thinking about it. food, drugs, travel, workplace policies, employment laws...
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03:46 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: capture one, crate it, and ship to me.  kthx
03:47 <@Bahhumbug> What could _possibly_ go wrong with that idea?
03:47 < klixa-cloud> just remember the air holes
03:47 < klixa-cloud> and pay extra for overnight delivery
03:47 <@Wilpig> you don't put a pee bottle in there and it arrives messy
03:48 <@Bahhumbug> Frankly that would be the least of my concerns.
03:48 <@Wilpig> I'll release it in the wild later, I swear.
03:48 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_agencies
03:48 < aestetix> So this is how the supremacy clause fucks us
03:49 < klixa-cloud> I had sex tonight
03:49 < aestetix> klixa-cloud: was it good? I dont' remember it
03:49 < klixa-cloud> aestetix: you shouldn't have drank so much :|
03:50  * Wilpig punches aestetix 
03:50 < aestetix> I think Wilpig spiked my drink
03:51 < klixa-cloud> he spiked mine too, I'm not sure he left after he did that
03:57 <@Wilpig> https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10307207_10152103117167027_4639430593894948056_n.jpg
03:58 < klixa-cloud> that's awesome
04:09 <@Corydon76-home> It'll dissolve pretty quickly, so drink up
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04:53 < klixa-cloud> .
06:56 < aestetix> ugh
07:06 <@Wilpig> aestetix: you go to take a shit and someone left the seat up?
07:07 < aestetix> lol
07:07 < aestetix> something like that
07:07 < aestetix> I'm still processing the failure of the US government
07:08 <@Wilpig> how far back are you satarting?
07:09 < aestetix> Lincoln, probably.
07:09 < aestetix> Although it seems like every president was an asshole.
07:09 <@Wilpig> should have never freed those fucks
07:09 < aestetix> Lincoln didn't free anything.
07:10 < aestetix> Congress did. Lincoln just took the credit for it.
07:10 < aestetix> I've actually been thinking that the surveillance bit is going to be our next civil war.
07:10 < aestetix> And on a good moral basis, unlike slavery.
07:11 < aestetix> Since the civil war was mostly about whether states could nullify federal laws. Including say a federal ban on slavery.
07:11 < aestetix> I'd be interested to see if states started passing laws against surveillance, what the NSA would do
07:11 <@Wilpig> so are you blaming lincoln on congress?  I just said should have never freed those fucks and you lumped it onto lincoln
07:12 < aestetix> haha
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07:12 < aestetix> Because Lincoln didn't free the slaves, the 13th (amendment) did
07:12 < aestetix> although I guess he had to sign the amendment into law
07:34 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:51  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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10:00 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Constitutional amendments aren't signed into law by Presidents.  You're thinking of treaties
10:02 <@Corydon76-home> However, readmittance to the Union after the Civil War was conditioned upon Southern legislatures accepting the 13th Amendment, so it's not like they had any choice.  They had no national representation until they passed the Amendment
10:08 <@Dagmar> aestetix: If the states passed laws like that they'd just ignore them
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10:25 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING
10:25 <@shapr> aestetix: VAINA
10:25  * shapr hops randomly
10:39 <@SuMo_D> hoping vaginas
10:39 <@SuMo_D> what have I walked into
11:00 <@Dolemite> shapr: Man, I used to love them VAINA SAUSAGES
11:00 <@shapr> er, yeah, totally
11:00 <@Dolemite> Those on a Ritz Cracker.  Yeah, good stuff.
11:08 < aestetix> Oooh.
11:08 < aestetix> I like vaina sausages too.
11:09 < aestetix> Dagmar: I know. I was getting at the issue that the imbalance between state and federal power has gotten really bad.
11:14 < aestetix> http://sportsmasher.com/2014/06/11/ohio-man-who-cannot-stop-having-sex-with-pool-rafts-arrested-again-for-having-sex-with-pool-raft/
11:14 < aestetix> At least he's not doing heroin....
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11:56 < aestetix> well
11:56 < aestetix> this explains a few things
11:56 < aestetix> http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/hard-core-hardheaded-hateful-partisans-are-crowding-out-our-politics-20140612
11:56 < aestetix> Apparently people find it difficult to disagree with someone without also personally disliking them
12:02 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: It's difficult to like someone who considers you an existential threat.
12:04 <@Corydon76-home> Problem goes with partisan redistricting.  The more polarized the voting districts are, the less likely that those districts will elect someone at the center.  This is clearly a bigger problem in the House than the Senate, because you cannot redraw state lines.
12:06 < aestetix> Indeed.
12:07 <@Dolemite> Georgia wants to, but that's about water, rather than elections.
12:10 <@Corydon76-home> It's rather sad that, confronted with this harsh reality, the GOP is trying to make it harder for people who have traditionally voted Democratic to vote, rather than fixing the districts, ensuring that ever more of the center will be lost.
12:10 <@Corydon76-home> which, in itself, is an ever bigger reason for those folks to hate the GOP.
12:11 <@Corydon76-home> Not a great long term strategy
12:15 < aestetix> So it's creating a bunch of little echo chambers?
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12:39 < aestetix> so
12:40 < aestetix> the chair of the privacy committee I'm on decided to use google drive to upload all our documents
12:40 < aestetix> I objected for obvious reasons
12:40 < aestetix> did some hunting to find another system that would work.... who wants to guess what I ended up with
12:44 <@brimstone> google drive
12:44 <@brimstone> what system did you find?
12:44 < aestetix> megaupload
12:45 <@brimstone> i like how there's a "privacy committee"
12:45 <@brimstone> that's like having a "eating committee"
12:59 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: You came up with a system that's since been shut down for reasons of piracy?
13:02 <@Corydon76-home> It's so sad when academics are themselves citing anti-intellectualism to back their own theories.
13:03 <@Corydon76-home> I literally just had a debate with a guy who seriously argued that the preeminent researcher in the field knew too much, which is why he was rejecting new hypotheses that have yet to be replicated.
13:08 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: actually, I'm looking at greenqloud's s3 alternative
13:08 < aestetix> and I actually meant mega.co.nz
13:08 < aestetix> not megaupload per say
13:11 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: How is greenqloud any better than Google or Amazon?
13:12 < aestetix> They are based in Iceland.
13:12 < aestetix> Google I have moral objections to in addition to their compliance with NSA
13:12 <@Corydon76-home> Maybe the servers are, but the company appears to be based in Jacksonville, Florida
13:13 <@Corydon76-home> And the courts have already ruled that if the company has presence in the US, it matters not where their servers are physically located.
13:13 < aestetix> So we're basically fucked?
13:14 <@Corydon76-home> I'm sorry; was that a new revelation for you?
13:14 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: isn't the point of capitalism to have better alternatives in the marketplace?
13:14 < aestetix> It seems that the US is both failing at capitalism and democracy at the same time
13:15 <@Corydon76-home> The US was never a democracy to begin with.  We've always been a republic.
13:16 < aestetix> A republic, also known as a representative democarcy
13:16 <@Corydon76-home> Nor is government ever supposed to work within the bounds of capitalism.  That's part of the point of a government:  to restrain the excesses of capitalism
13:16 < aestetix> although we're failing at even being a republica
13:18 <@Corydon76-home> So use Google Docs and be happy with it, as they are the devil you know
13:19 <@Corydon76-home> and they have the bank account to resist incursions by overzealous prosecutors, as opposed to a startup which is likely to simply fold under pressure
13:26 < aestetix> I can't use google
13:27 < aestetix> That whole threat of suspension
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13:33 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: luckily,  based on what I saw in DC, our federal government will likely implode in the next ten years
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14:01 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: that's wishful thinking
14:04 <@Corydon76-home> My general prediction will be that over time, the discrepancy between those alienated by the GOP and their base will become so great as to create a Democratic supermajority over the next 50 years.  While that will have a good effect in the short term, the most virulently liberal part of the Democratic Party will splinter to form its own ultra-left brigade, and the Democratic party will become the party of the center-right, with
14:04 <@Corydon76-home> still a few Republican stragglers on the far right.  That will be the progeneration of a multi-party system, and we'll be better off for it.
14:13 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: and what happens to the cancer we call the federal government?
14:14 <@Corydon76-home> If you're asking about it in broad terms, nothing, really
14:14 < aestetix> Well
14:14 < aestetix> Here's a less broad question
14:14 <@Corydon76-home> In terms of specific departments, like the NSA, I have no idea
14:14 < aestetix> Do you think DHS will implode?
14:14 <@Corydon76-home> Nope
14:15 < aestetix> As the DHS seems to be a parasite.
14:15 <@Corydon76-home> I think a further reorganization is likely over the next 10 years, though, with greater restrictions on what is permitted to be clandestine
14:16 < aestetix> You know
14:16 <@Corydon76-home> But you're thinking in terms of revolution, and governments aren't like that.
14:16 < aestetix> I do kind of hope they get that sarcasm detector working
14:16 <@Corydon76-home> Especially not our government
14:17 <@Corydon76-home> The only force which could have a chance at overthrowing the government is a corporation, and any corporation with the means to do so also has a vested interest in keeping things exactly the way they are now
14:20 < aestetix> So it's a new cold war
14:21 < aestetix> Where things are basically at a standstill
14:22 <@Corydon76-home> I'm not sure that that's really the right word for it
14:23 <@Corydon76-home> Politically, we are gradually changing
14:25 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: that's like saying that we have an antidote for the flesh eating virus that's eating your less, and we're dripping it on you one drop a year
14:25 < aestetix> s/less/leg*
14:26 <@Corydon76-home> No, it's not.  The situation is certainly bad, but it's not unrecoverable
14:27 < aestetix> I admire your optimism here.
14:27 < aestetix> How would it be recoverable?
14:27 <@Corydon76-home> In fact, I think the Democrats will retake the House by 2022.
14:27 < aestetix> It's not really a party game anymore.
14:27 < aestetix> If it were, Pelosi wouldn't have kept impeachment off the table for Bush
14:28 < aestetix> And Feinstein is the one running the Senate Intelligence commmitt, that's supposed to be the watchdog on the NSA
14:28 <@Corydon76-home> The point of taking impeachment off the table for Bush was to ensure that the hyperpartisan attacks would not escalate to the point of making it impossible to govern
14:29 < aestetix> I think it's just as likely that the NSA had dirt on Pelosi they threatened to release if she moved forward with impeachment.
14:29 < aestetix> As it stands, now we have a broken system with no real accountability and a public that doesn't trust it.
14:29 <@Corydon76-home> You're trying to contradict a well-founded opinion with wild conspiracy theories with no evidence
14:30 < aestetix> It's funny that if I said the NSA thing a year ago, everyone would think I was nuts.
14:30 < aestetix> Sigh.
14:30 < aestetix> It's a theory based on a conversation I had with William Binney.
14:31 < aestetix> According to him, the NSA approached Pelosi shortly after she was elected, and told her about the system. She kept it a secret, and then they used her knowledge of it and inaction against her.
14:32 <@Corydon76-home> And your evidence for this is what?
14:32 < aestetix> My conversation with Binney.
14:32  * aestetix sighs
14:32 <@Corydon76-home> A conspiracy theory secondhand is still a conspiracy theory
14:32 < aestetix> Sadly it's not a link I can point to or anything.
14:32 < aestetix> You know who I'm talking about, right?
14:33 <@Corydon76-home> No, should I?
14:33 < aestetix> Oh.
14:33 < aestetix> William Binney is the NSA whistleblower who was an analyst at NSA for 37 years.
14:33 < aestetix> He was the one who brought forward the story about the Utah data cneter
14:33 <@Corydon76-home> And he presented what evidence for this?
14:33 < aestetix> I happened to be on the same flight with him to germany a few years ago
14:34 < aestetix> Like I said, my evidence is a personal conversation, not a link or anything :/
14:34 <@Corydon76-home> Then it's just a conspiracy theory with no evidence of anything
14:35 < aestetix> Sure. Although I tend to trust the word of someone who was in the NSA for 37 years and was behind some of these programs
14:35 <@Corydon76-home> Any chance of documentation existing in Snowden's cache?
14:35 < aestetix> That's a good question.
14:36 < aestetix> I mean, I guess I could email him and ask him to say it again.
14:36 < aestetix> I did have a few emails back and forth with him after the flight, mostly about books.
14:36 <@Corydon76-home> I would consider that to be sufficient evidence of it
14:36 < aestetix> you'd consider an email to be sufficient?
14:37 < aestetix> Although ideally he could mention it in an interview
14:37 <@Corydon76-home> An email existing in Snowden's cache of stuff he downloaded from the NSA?  Yes.
14:37 <@shapr> SHAZAM!
14:37 < aestetix> heh
14:37 < aestetix> Man
14:38 < aestetix> It would be fucking epic if snowden downloaded all the NSA emails
14:38 < aestetix> I'm sure there's an exchange server with them or something
14:38 <@Corydon76-home> In other words, I would like to see independent corroboration of the allegation
14:38 < aestetix> right
14:38 <@Corydon76-home> And given how reliable Snowden's cache of information has been so far, I would consider that to be not only independent corroboration, but convincing proof
14:38 < aestetix> well
14:39 < aestetix> the NSA hasn't refuted it, but they haven't confirmed it either
14:39 < aestetix> That's something else I learned in DC. Just how far the game of weasel-wording has gone
14:39 <@Corydon76-home> Of course not.  With no evidence, it's merely a conspiracy theory
14:40 <@Corydon76-home> and if they were to address it, it would immediately lend credence to the story, whether they confirmed or denied it
14:42 < aestetix> http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/06/paleo_scullery_maid.php
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15:15 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: had you seen this yet?  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/cell-tracking-unconstitutional_n_5486458.html
15:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Court Rules Warrantless Cell Tracking Unconstitutional (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
15:16 < aestetix> http://c-radar.ccc.de/en/stream
15:16 < aestetix> listen to this
15:16 < aestetix> it's a show talking about the paypal14
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15:48 <@Corydon76-home> I really don't have time to listen to a 'show'
15:49 <@Dagmar> Mother... fucker...
15:49 <@Dagmar> So I think I just found an *ugly* issue with our F5s
15:49 <@Dagmar> We're in the middle of migrating from an old set of LTMs in the test environment to the new ones
15:50 <@Dagmar> Someone came into the office this morning to tell me I'd fucked up something in one of the GTMs because I'd set them to round robin instead of availability, and told me it was causing ARP errors
15:50 <@Dagmar> I'm like, that shoudln't be *able* to cause ARP errors
15:51 <@Dagmar> But it turns out that some of the LTM migrations have involved building the VIPs anew in the new LTMs and then administratively disabling the virtual server address in question on the old LTMs
15:51 <@Dagmar> I would bet some fucking money right now that *occasionally* the old LTM is forgetting it's not supposed to do ARP for those IPs anymore
15:53 <@Dagmar> I jsut happened to stumble across the matching (disabled) VIP in the old test servers while trying to give it one last going over to figure out where the fuck this unstyled 404 page the users keep reporting is coming from
15:53 <@Dagmar> Ripped that fucker out by the roots I ddi
15:53 <@Dagmar> heh
15:56 <@Corydon76-home> Anybody else think that Dagmar's story would be funnier if he said it in in Irish accent, and punctuated the end with "Blimey!" ?
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15:56 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: what story isn't made better that way>
15:56 <@Wilpig> ?
16:00 <@Dagmar> Sersiously
16:00 <@Dagmar> er Seriously
16:00 <@Dagmar> LTMs doing ARP when they shouldn't is a right motherfucker
16:01 <@Dagmar> I've clicked shift-reload about 100 times on their damn site this week trying to get it to cough up the error they've been reporting
16:18 <@Wilpig> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3677466/?ref_=nv_sr_1
16:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Age of Tomorrow (2014) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
16:19 <@Wilpig> this might be the worst movie i've seen this year
16:34 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: Didn't you (semi-)recently get a USB OBD-II kit?
16:39 < aestetix> I just heard the most amazing story
16:39 < aestetix> someone was reciting a 4chan thread
16:39 < aestetix> Ok, so the guy goes around the neighborhood jerking off dogs and collecting their semen, and then injects the semen into his penis, and proceeds to fuck his dog, who then later has puppies?
16:39 < aestetix> that is some intelligent design
16:39 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: I did
16:40 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: Do you have a recommendation for a unit?
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16:40 <@Corydon76-home> Not really, no
16:40 <@Bahhumbug> Happy with yours?
16:40 <@Corydon76-home> The self-contained units work fine, though they are limited in functionality
16:41 <@Corydon76-home> The ones that connect to your computer are considerably more complicated, but have the ability to send more codes back to the car computer
16:42 <@Bahhumbug> The self-contained are still able to set the "been serviced, shut up" state, right?
16:42 <@Corydon76-home> To phrase it differently, what precisely are you trying to determine or alter with your vehicle?
16:42 <@Corydon76-home> Some of them are, yes
16:42 <@Corydon76-home> Most will reset the generic trouble codes
16:43 <@Corydon76-home> Some will reset the more advanced codes
16:43 <@Corydon76-home> The most advanced ones will let you change settings in your car computer
16:43 <@Bahhumbug> I've got an old '04 Cavalier that I want to be able to take a good look at via OBD.
16:44 <@Corydon76-home> As long as the codes have not been reset recently, you should be able to do that
16:44 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect I have bad sensors or possibly a bad harness as things are tripping that shouldn't be.
16:44 <@Corydon76-home> It usually takes about 3 cycles after a reset for the computer to be back in shape
16:44 <@Bahhumbug> Damn it Door bell.
16:45 <@Bahhumbug> I hate people, why are they at my door.
16:45 <@Bahhumbug> brb
16:45 <@Corydon76-home> Cycles are essentially a start-warm-drive-off-cool cycle
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16:49 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: An insufficient number of caltrops is a likely cause
16:50 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: never leave the bridge to your moat down
16:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix: You just cited precisely why I never go to 4chan
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16:55 <@Wilpig> someone's doing a survey and left it wide open.  where the fuck is a troll when you need one?  https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Et5IczxaEFLnQoX98r6fIgF6XYwgTrYlGR9xtXektWc/viewform
16:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Women (at docs.google.com)
16:58 <@Corydon76-home> Wow, the slant on that survey is unbelievable.
16:59 <@Corydon76-home> Where are the questions on the reverse, where women make men feel uncomfortable?
17:12 <@Dagmar> The same place where male rape statistics are kept.
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17:32 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvWx44-F7-o
17:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: Obamas BIG Student Loan Announcement: Find Out How It Affects You! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:41 <@Dagmar> Did these guys not get the memo that the Republican's filibustered this to death?
17:42 <@Dagmar> In any case, a 10% cap isn't going to do much to help those whose loans are accumulating interest at an even faster rate than that
17:43 <@Dagmar> OKay, I'm done
17:43 <@Dagmar> The dumb blonde is talking about the _government_ making 40BB in profit off these loans.
17:44 <@Dagmar> No, the private instutitution that brokers the loan is making that profit, for which the gov't is loaning them the money at less than 1% interest.
17:49 < RangerZ> nah, this is his reaction to the filabuster
17:49 < RangerZ> actually no... she was right, the federal gov't makes that much too
17:49 < RangerZ> which makes it even 'worse'
17:50 < RangerZ> just imagine how much the BANKS make... *cries*
17:50 < RangerZ> easily 80BB then
17:50 < RangerZ> Dagmar:  how is 10% cap on payments and a 20 year limit, not going to help people with painful rates
17:54 <@Dagmar> Considering they loan this money out at a minimum of 7-9% interest last I checked?
17:54 <@Dagmar> They're making a bit more than just 80BB
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18:27 <@Wilpig> "I just kept running into the problem of what to call non-trans people in various discussions, and one day it just hit me: non-trans equals cis"  The answer to that problem is simple.  It's Normal.  fuckin' people trying to make their fucked up lives the norm and everyone else something else.
18:39 <@brimstone> that's what a cis would say
18:42 <@Wilpig> pretty sure the statistics on what would be considered the norm back me on this one
18:52 <@Dagmar> Once again, somehow _crazy_ trumps reason.
19:00 <@Wilpig> answer: giant pit
19:03 <@Wilpig> as lazy as it sounds I really like this.  http://www.shoprite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/650x500_SRAPP_eblast.jpg
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21:33 <@Wilpig> http://i.4cdn.org/b/1402617166508.jpg
21:33 <@Wilpig> lol
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