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01:41 <@NotLarry> Wilpig: what nas do you use?
01:41 <@Wilpig> no nas
01:42 <@Wilpig> samba, nfs
01:44 <@NotLarry> sry, meant what drive
01:44 <@Wilpig> ummm.  a mix.  mostly seagate
01:44 <@Wilpig> 3TB are the new ones
01:44 <@NotLarry> the raid box
01:44 <@Wilpig> CineRaid
01:44 <@NotLarry> thanks
02:10 <@Wilpig> NotLarry: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4iw8oj356rtg1s/Screen%20Shot%202014-06-11%20at%202.09.29%20AM.png
02:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - Screen Shot 2014-06-11 at 2.09.29 AM.png (at www.dropbox.com)
02:10 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/koblqbf4b24lrqw/Screen%20Shot%202014-06-11%20at%202.09.41%20AM.png
02:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - Screen Shot 2014-06-11 at 2.09.41 AM.png (at www.dropbox.com)
02:29 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TYkkvDycUw
02:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: Im On A Boat (Feat. Evil Genius as T-Pain) GOATMILL- Death Metal Cover - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:31 <@Wilpig> thx SuMo_D.  that killed the mac
02:32 <@SuMo_D> your mac fears the metal hybrid experience
02:33 <@Wilpig> not sure what it is.  but i've managed to kill this bitch a few times this last week
03:05 < aestetix> I love how twitter is broken enough that I can't see my messages but not broken enough to let me know i have them
03:06 < aestetix> they must be rolling out new code
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04:14 <@Wilpig> this just in from the paint tastes yummy department.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/rbyq90621p2mndc/2014-06-11%2004.07.02.jpg
04:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-06-11 04.07.02.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
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05:04 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/27u6fz/tifu_by_having_an_orgasm_at_the_nail_salon/
05:30 <@Mirage> lol... "Typically mining in a massively multiplayer game is a case of interacting with the object and receiving the Ore. However, in WildStar occasionally a mining node will uproot itself and attempt to run away, at which point you.ll have to chase after it."
06:00 <@Wilpig> funny and annoying 
06:02 <@Wilpig> I guess that's one way to try and keep mining bots out of it
06:08 < aestetix> man
06:09 < aestetix> I am going to be venting about DC for a long time.
06:09 < aestetix> I talked with some local journalists/advocates for over an hour and none of them could give me a good reason why journalists no longer ask hard questions.
06:09 <@Wilpig> aestetix: most of the country is
06:10 < aestetix> Wilpig: we really need to get an industrial strength firehose and just wash DC off the map.
06:10 < aestetix> They were saying "Well, no journalist wants to be aversarial and have their access revoked."
06:11 < aestetix> I replied "If that happens, they are fucking journalists, why not write a story about that? Wouldn't other journalists come to their defense?"
06:11 <@Wilpig> fuck no they woulnd't
06:11 < aestetix> Apparently journalists in DC are fucking pussies.
06:11 <@Wilpig> they'd be vultures descending on the carcus hoping to snatch up more access for their affiliate
06:12 < aestetix> Then they aren't journalists.
06:12 < aestetix> They are human versions of copy/paste text editors for politicians.
06:13 < aestetix> Wilpig: they also gave me these stupid responses that fell apart with critical analysis.
06:13 <@Wilpig> I would be willing to debate that a good portion of our jounalists today grew up watching news readers on tv calling themselves journalists and that is what they wanted.  to be on tv
06:13 <@Wilpig> they don't know what it means to actually research and write a story.  they want to read someone else's work and claim it as their own
06:14 < aestetix> That kind of makes sense.
06:14 <@Wilpig> all the credit, none of the work, it's the 'merican dream
06:14 < aestetix> They said "well, most jouranlists come out of Ivy League schools and are sheltered"
06:14 < aestetix> I was like "Aren't Ivy League schools supposed to offer classical education which teaches things like how things went in Rome and European history?"
06:15 < aestetix> I mean maybe those schools are just worthless now.
06:15 <@Wilpig> we've discussed in here many times that college students today are sheltered for lack of a better word
06:16 < aestetix> It's basically like... you have this back and forth exchange of canned answers
06:16 < aestetix> And when you run through the list and get through to new territory that requires actual thought, they put up this patronizing "I know better than you do"
06:17 < aestetix> I'm like "Ok, that's great. Can you prove it? Where is the evidence?"
06:17 < aestetix> And they they make a personal attack and walk away.
06:17 < aestetix> It was sad. The conference is called Computers, Freedom, and Privacy
06:18 < aestetix> And they said nobody had come there asking the questions I was asking in a very long time.
06:18 < aestetix> And as someone who is quite rightfully pissed off that all my rights are being watered away, they need to hear them.
06:18 <@Shadow404> that was a fun night, gf woke up understanding, mostly upset with the neighbors for causing the issue last night without proof, still a little pissed off on me losing my shit on them as well
06:19 < aestetix> what issue
06:19 <@Shadow404> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/108823/14024532
06:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Error (at paste.fedoraproject.org)
06:19 <@Shadow404> er, suck
06:19 < aestetix> uh
06:19 < aestetix> heh
06:20 <@Shadow404> ah, set it for 6hr pig
06:20 <@Shadow404> one sec
06:20 <@Wilpig> I think it's set to an hour
06:20 < aestetix> I was also pretty offended that they were trying to dismiss me, as I have been tear-gassed in the streets of Oakland by tear-gas canisters that were provided to the Oakland PD by the DHS.
06:21 < aestetix> So yes, the federal government IS my fucking problem.
06:21 <@Shadow404> http://ur1.ca/hi3ob
06:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: #108887 Fedora Project Pastebin (at ur1.ca)
06:22 < aestetix> 21:52 <@Bahhumbug> Hello.  This is the south.  I have a gun(s).  I have them legally.  They threatened me.  They left alive.  Where is my medal?
06:23 < aestetix> wise words
06:23 <@Shadow404> yes, they are
06:23 <@Shadow404> gf supported my right to have the gun there, but only got upset for losing my cool and turning it into a yelling match, which i get
06:24 <@Shadow404> im glad i didnt get a pair of cuffs when i get patted down, thats what i was afraid of, even though i was in my right, they could of spun it anyway they wanted
06:26 < aestetix> ok
06:26 < aestetix> the more I think about the conversations I had in DC, the more mad I am
06:26 <@Shadow404> i would of asked for the fuzzy ones anyway
06:26 < aestetix> It's not just this hypothetical dusfunction that is causing laws to not work.
06:27 < aestetix> It's an overpowered federal agency supplying munitions to the local police departments to suppress free speech.
06:27 < aestetix> I may be a bit bitter about this because I was tear gassed three times in one night by equipment provided by DHS.
06:28 < aestetix> So the DHS can tear gas you, but if you bring out your gun and point it at them, you get arrested.
06:28 < aestetix> wow I have pent up anger. I need to calm down.
06:29 <@Shadow404> i think this particular battle has been fought since the beggining of civil security in society
06:29 < aestetix> Shadow404: absolutely
06:29 <@Shadow404> both sides have their points
06:29 <@Shadow404> its a lose/lose battle in my eyes
06:29 < aestetix> It's fine to have points. It's not fine to use excessive force on innocent people.
06:29 <@Shadow404> very hard to find a common ground
06:30 <@Shadow404> oh agreed, but defining that is hard
06:30 < aestetix> How the hell am I supposed to engage in rational discussion when the media supresses that?
06:30 <@Shadow404> escalation is hard to put into exact words
06:30 < aestetix> And when people say "what the hell, answer our questions" they get attacked
06:30 < aestetix> One question I brought up, that nobody could answer. Why is it that the presidential debates for the last 20 years have had the exact same questions discussed.
06:31 < aestetix> With the exception that they have been bringing in more nonrelevant stupid things.
06:32 < aestetix> And network TV now does things like have commercial breaks for the debates like they are a football game
06:32 < aestetix> And we have all these advocacy groups that are paid specifically to go to washington and ask hard questions. And they are utter failures at their jobs.
06:33 <@Shadow404> its a conspiracy aestetix, i hope you got your tin foil hat on?
06:33 < aestetix> It's hard to accept that democracy is a slow process where we sit back and examine the facts, when all the "facts" are classified, nobody questions the narrative, and tear gas is employed.
06:33 < aestetix> heh
06:33 < aestetix> I don't think it's a conspiracy.
06:34 < aestetix> I think it's a house of cards, where every card is a display of incompetence.
06:35 < aestetix> Shadow404: yeah, this weekend just taught me how shallow and hypocritical Washington is. It was scary.
06:35 < aestetix> I think I have PTSD or something.
06:36 < aestetix> Wilpig: Shadow404 are you up late or up early?
06:43 <@Dagmar> WEll, if they actually ask hard questions, then the White House Press Room gets remodeled for three years again
06:43 < aestetix> haha
06:43 < aestetix> I don't know how timball stands it
06:52 <@Wilpig> up late
06:52 <@Wilpig> Shadow404 is up early,  i've been up all night
06:54 <@Wilpig> technically Shadow404 was up late too.  cause of that encounter with his neighbor where shadow was presenting, but the neighbor dude just wasn't into it and the cops were called
07:01 < aestetix> He should keep his presentation in his pants next time.
07:01 <@Wilpig>  he was at home, so I can understand why he had it out.  but you know... people come to the door
07:02 < aestetix> At least save it for appropriate occasions.
07:02 < aestetix> Like Mormons.
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07:14 <@Wilpig> http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Kris/seizureman.png
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07:33 <@Wilpig> this is early and scary.  http://seven.centos.org/
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07:47 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:58 <@Corydon76-home> If any of you have Swiftkey, you'll need to uninstall / reinstall to get 5 to work correctly.  The upgrade process causes a complete lockup
10:16 <@Mirage_> Corydon76-home: See the link for Kahlon in the backlog?
10:16 <@Mirage_> Corydon76-home: http://kahlon.com/result.asp?modelid=655455
10:17 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage_: I did, but I found some memory on Amazon that was cheap enough to just do as Dagmar suggested
10:18 <@Corydon76-home> So in another week or so, I'll be upgrading my desktop to 32GB RAM
10:19 <@Mirage_> Cool
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10:35 <@Mirage_> This is annoying.."-!- Nick Mirage is temporarily unavailable"
10:35 <@Mirage_> 09:25 <Mirage_> ghost Mirage
10:35 <@Mirage_> 09:25 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Mirage is not online.
10:44 <@Mirage_> 09:25 <Mirage_> ghost Mirage
10:44 <@Mirage_> oops
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11:04 <@Dagmar> Mirage_: Donovan was just in here claiming I was responsible for a Solaris box called ldap01-dev
11:07 <@Mirage_> hehe.  I think that one was in the rack facing the power panel next to the entrace to 107 from 148
11:07 <@Mirage_> A v240, I believe.
11:08 <@Mirage_> Wouldn't that fall under Sean, though?
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11:08 <@Mirage> Yay!
11:09 <@Dagmar> There's genuinely no telling, since it would be attached to the LDAP chuckleheads that were transferred to EAI
11:10 <@Dagmar> Some of that shit is still getting it's root passwords changed by Sean even though EAI is clearly the group responsible for it
11:13 <@Mirage> omg, why.....?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGXHVlEklgQ
11:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dumb and Dumber To - Official Trailer Premiere - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:14 <@Mirage> How has that box not been decom'd yet?  the other LDAP services were moved to linux a couple years ago (or so I believed).
11:14 <@Dolemite> Because iDev is worse than Rick Astley.  It's never gonna give it up.
11:15 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: y'all still have root passwords at all?
11:15 <@Dagmar> I just told Donovan he should schedule it for decomissioning and demand PInky & The Brain explain why they need to keep it around if they dispute it
11:15 <@Mirage> I'd go ask the chuckle-heads if they still use the old box, if they say no..power it off and make it go away
11:15 <@Dagmar> I'm going to ignore the dumb ass hipster comment
11:16 <@Dagmar> Mirage: As far as I know there's nothing they could really be using it dor
11:16 <@Dagmar> er for
11:16 <@Dagmar> They've no more Solaris machines in production
11:16 <@Corydon76-home> I thought for sure everybody was now using sudo for everything, and setting the root password field to blank, since a blank password prevents remote login over ssh.
11:16 <@Mirage> Not even the Auth (kerb) boxes?
11:16 <@Dagmar> Sensible people just set the damn option that disables root login over ssh
11:17 <@Corydon76-home> That would be another option, yes
11:17 <@Mirage> crazy talk!
11:17 <@Corydon76-home> But why have a root password at all?
11:17 <@Dagmar> Because sometimes you might actually need to login as root from the console
11:17 <@brimstone> just disable password on console logins
11:18 <@Corydon76-home> If you have physical access to the console, there's no reason to have a password anyway
11:18 <@Dagmar> brimstone: In a VM environment?  Not on your life
11:18 <@Mirage> brimstone: that might make sense if only the unix admins had console access.
11:18  * brimstone pushes all the buttons
11:18 <@Dagmar> WHen did this channel become #shortbus
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11:20 <@Dagmar> A box being mysteriously rebooted to single mode will be noticed in a monitored environment, so YES we damn well will put passwords on root accounts
11:21 <@Mirage> This was sent out on the FreeBSD-Security list this morning:  "We (the OpenSSL team) are considering a more aggressive EOL strategy.  In particular, we may EOL 0.9.8 right now, and 1.0.0 when 1.0.2 comes out (currently in beta). Going forward we would only maintain two versions, so when 1.0.3 comes out, 1.0.1 would be EOL. What do people think about this?"
11:21 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: oddly enough, the management tools generally allow any file to be edited by the host machine.  If you know how to operate those tools, it's as good as having no root password at all.
11:21 <@Mirage> It's started a moderately interesting discussion
11:22 <@Dagmar> No.
11:22 <@Dagmar> No no no.
11:22 <@Dagmar> No.
11:22 <@Dagmar> Period.
11:22 <@Dagmar> ffs'
11:23 <@Dagmar> This slippery slope bullshit will never fly with me
11:23 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: more interesting than getting Dagmar all red-faced?
11:23 <@Dagmar> It can be used to argue that since they're all on the network anyway the servers shouldn't even ask for usernames
11:23 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: just an added bonus
11:23 <@Dagmar> Mirage: It's not like they are going to be able to do anything useful with that older version of openssl
11:24 <@Dagmar> They probably *should* be EOLing very old trees of that so it's clear people should freaking upgrade/update, or expect problems
11:24 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: I think the right answer to that is, "Sure, go ahead, right after you complete your full code audit of the current version of OpenSSL"
11:25 <@brimstone> What is code coverage? for 1.5million
11:25 <@Dagmar> Also this is a package which massive quantities of the commercial ecommerce world requires to make a bunch, for which they kick back exactly jack and squat money to improve the product
11:25 <@Dagmar> These are people who go to the developer hippies demanding answers when there's a problem
11:25 <@Mirage> Even RHEL6 is on 1.0.1, and they take their sweet time updating major release versions of just about everything
11:30 <@Dagmar> 0.9.8 is old enough, and not being 1.x should be a rather large hint that the people coding it didn't feel it was complete
11:32 <@Corydon76-home> Of course it's not complete.  It's missing Heartbleed, err, heartbeats, for one
11:32 <@shapr> good morning!
11:32  * shapr hugs Corydon76-home 
11:32 <@shapr> whoops, I missed!
11:33  * Corydon76-home humps shapr's leg
11:33 <@shapr> yow!
11:34 <@Corydon76-home> whoops, I missed!
11:39 <@Corydon76-home> Nothing says Humpday like surprise buttsecks, right, shapr?
12:17 <@shapr> er, yeah?
12:34 <@Corydon76-home> Great, we'll let the next time be a surprise for you, too.
12:48 <@shapr> yikes
12:51 <@Dagmar> Someone's going to get an unpleasant problem tossed back at them today
12:51 <@Dagmar> They keep trying to report part of their website is randomly giving "Page Not Found" errors.
12:52 <@Dagmar> Unless they can come up with a URL or a specific time, I'm about to close their ticket and swear up and down the problem isn't on our end
12:52 <@Dagmar> I've no way of knowing which server these queries are going to without knowing the URL, and I've no problem with just blaming it on the Windows server involved and calling it done
13:06 <@Dagmar> lol@tweetdeck
13:12 <@Dagmar> --> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/11/twitter-tweetdeck-xss-flaw-users-vulnerable
13:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter shuts down Tweetdeck after XSS flaw leaves users vulnerable to account hijack | Technology | theguardian.com (at www.theguardian.com)
13:12 <@Dagmar> They're down at the moment because someone thoughtfully dropped in an XSS retweet about it
13:12 <@Dagmar> hehe
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15:54 <@Mirage> LoL (lol): http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20140609
15:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del - Facechecked (2014-06-09) (at www.cad-comic.com)
16:16 <@Mirage> Wow..I know a few vendors (of shitty software) that are going to have a hard time with this:  "Note that the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 installation is only supported on 64-bit hardware."
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17:03 <@SuMo_D> Its really hard to draw a t-rex on its back without its tail looking sexual...
17:03 <@SuMo_D> just sayin'
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: seven.centos.org has been around since the first beta dropped.  Tranparency and all that.
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20:15 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: I thought they shutdown tweetdeck a while back?  pissed me off when they stopped updating it cause it was a really nice app on android for dealing with twitter
20:26 < aestetix> that was fun
20:26 < aestetix> we're coming up with names for rooms for HOPE
20:26 < aestetix> I suggested calling one of the rooms "Deep Throat" after watergate because we have ellsberg
20:27 < aestetix> I got a very angry private message from our token feminist
20:32 <@Dagmar> Meh.  Ignore the government-appointed provocateur.
20:35 < aestetix> I specifically mentioned the watergate connections
20:35 < aestetix> It's really not my fault someone sees something, views it in a different context, and decides to be offended
20:36 < aestetix> It's just
20:36 < aestetix> We have publicly stated that we are inviting topics that are controversial
20:36 < aestetix> So it seems hypocritical to get offended over that
20:36 < aestetix> I guess it's if it is controversial to pro-NSA folks only
20:37 <@Shadow404> aestetix: gf laughed at your comment this morning
20:37 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: aestetix
20:37 < aestetix> which comment
20:37 <@Shadow404> about presenting at the door
20:37 < aestetix> oh haha
20:37 <@Shadow404> i jsut saw it this evening, and sent her a transcript
20:37 <@Bahhumbug> Shadow404: I see you lived through last night.  Any "visitors"?
20:38 <@Dagmar> aestetix: The people who want to disregard the speaker's intent and declare something which was not offensive to _be_ offensive are not only assholes, but they fail at one of the major points of language
20:38 <@Dagmar> The speaker's _intent_ matters.
20:38 <@Shadow404> no, if their had been, id have empty ottles of lye and hydrochloric acid in my basement
20:38 < aestetix> Dagmar: yep
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> Shadow404: heh
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> Why?
20:39 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, sarcasm and flippancy does not actually exist in the world.
20:39 < aestetix> here is the email I sent
20:39 < aestetix> "Would it be overkill to call one of the rooms "Deep Throat" after Mark
20:39 < aestetix> Felt and the whole Watergate fiasco?"
20:39 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: im not dealing with paperwork
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> You are on record as having been threatened.  Just shoot the fucker(s) and have their next of kin come in and clean the mess up.
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, there is that.
20:39 < aestetix> I meant overkill becuse so much of the conference is about ellsberg and such
20:39 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Perfect retribution: "Just because you can't is no reason to get upset about other people's abilities."
20:40 < aestetix> I just emailed her with a question about a policy suggestion I had made a week ago that nobody responsed to
20:41 < aestetix> Although now I'm tempted to dig up some Lenny Bruce quote about sex, and suggest that maybe we should remove him from being one of our featured dissidents
20:42 < aestetix> Maybe I should suggest we name one of the rooms Ron Jeremy
20:42 <@Dagmar> I completely don't get this crazy-talk complaint on /. about android permissions
20:43 <@Dagmar> ...and I suspect that it is also factually incorrect
20:43 < aestetix> Then again, this was the chick who I battled with on our code of conduct
20:44 <@Dagmar> aestetix: So, in other-words, she probably *is* the government-appointed troublemaker.
20:44 < aestetix> yes
20:44 < aestetix> The suggestion I made on the policy list was to come up with a set of standards by which to evaluate whether our code of conduct was effective during the conference
20:44 < aestetix> Nobody responded. And now she's bitching at me about this.
20:45 <@Dagmar> It's a shame by the time this is declassified the people responsible will have died of old age so they won't go to jail for it
20:45 < aestetix> So I simply replied asking if she had any thoughts on the standards
20:45 < aestetix> I'm in favor of getting rid of the code of conduct if we cannot scientifically demonstrate it makes any change
20:46 < aestetix> And given that she's the one who pushed for the code, surely she'd want to work on making it better
20:46 < aestetix> (can you tell that this is gonna be fun?)
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20:47 < aestetix> But that would be too rational.
20:50 < aestetix> I wonder if we won't be able to "tweak" a draft to make it better now, because that word might offend drug addicts
20:50 <@RangerZ> good life lesson
20:50 <@RangerZ> don't worry about drug addicts
20:50 <@RangerZ> they lose their rights as human beings while they are on drugs
20:50 < aestetix> haha
20:50 <@Dagmar> Drug addicts tend to be more reasonable than that
20:51 < aestetix> And maybe the word "down-sizing" is bad for companies, because it might offend midgets
20:51 <@RangerZ> fuck that, drug 'users' are fine
20:51 <@RangerZ> but 'addicts' , no
20:52 < aestetix> RangerZ: if you're using heroin, I don't really have sympathy for you
20:52 <@RangerZ> i do, b/c you are an addict , you are so pitiful that you no longer have earned the right to make decisions for yourself
20:53 < aestetix> I have sympathy if you are using heroin because you're an addict, but actively trying to kick the habit and get better
20:53 <@RangerZ> yes yes... "earn" by being an adult, as it is a 'right', etc
20:54 < aestetix> I think one caveat of being a legal adult is the ability to make rational decisions
20:54 < aestetix> I'm not sure that a junkie actively on heroin can make a rational decision
20:55 < aestetix> Midgets on the other hand...
20:57 <@Dagmar> Someone on PCP might decide to argue vehemently about it, but then they'd be equally likely to vehemently argue with a stick of butter.
20:58 < aestetix> RangerZ: note that all the drugs I advocate for are non-addictive.
20:58 < aestetix> The addictive ones, I argue for treatment for.
20:58 <@RangerZ> same
20:59 <@RangerZ> unless you don't care about being addicted, or are unable to break the addiction
20:59 <@Dagmar> TIL I learned that this is a source of completely unfettered crazy https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+feminists+does+it+take+to+change+a+light+bulb
20:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: how many feminists does it take to change a light bulb - Google Search (at www.google.com)
20:59 <@Dagmar> Probably >97% of the results have absolutely nothing to do with the joke
20:59 < aestetix> RangerZ: the thing about drugs like LSD is that they wear off after 8 hours, and generally affect nobody but you
20:59 <@Dagmar> ~70% are just... wow.
20:59 < aestetix> Whereas a heroin junkie affects everyone as the drug ruins their life
21:00 < aestetix> Same thing with meth
21:00 <@RangerZ> i thought LSD 'embedded' in the spine
21:00 < aestetix> RangerZ: that's an urban myth
21:00 <@RangerZ> and could come back out if you cracked your neck, etc
21:00 <@Dagmar> No, that's just laughably untrue
21:00 < aestetix> The exception to use of addictive drugs is if it's administered by a doctor
21:00 <@Dagmar> LSD is simply put, not that stable of a molecule
21:00 <@RangerZ> ahh ok
21:01 <@RangerZ> so you're fine with taking 2grams ?
21:01 <@RangerZ> -_-
21:01 <@RangerZ> hehe
21:01 <@Dagmar> Jesus no
21:01 <@Dagmar> hehe
21:01 < aestetix> 3 grams of lsd?
21:01 < aestetix> er, 2
21:01 < aestetix> that would be.... well, tell jesus I said hi
21:01 <@Dagmar> I imagine that three grams of LSD would be something like an artifact out of a strange science fiction story
21:02 <@Dagmar> LIke, people who get near a "strange meteorite" and go batshit crazy
21:02 < aestetix> I know a few people who have taken 100 hits at once
21:02 < aestetix> But 2 grams...
21:02 <@Dagmar> 2 grams would kill you.
21:03 < aestetix> RangerZ: you know the typical dosage of lsd is 100 mics?
21:03 < aestetix> do the math :)
21:03 <@Dagmar> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Drug_danger_and_dependence.svg/480px-Drug_danger_and_dependence.svg.png
21:03 <@RangerZ> yes, me and dagmar have a running joke about he'll take 2000mg aka... 2g
21:04 < aestetix> oh
21:04 <@Dagmar> I don't know that I'd call that a joke
21:04 <@Dagmar> You might as well be making a joke about shoving a lit stick of TNT up your ass.
21:04 <@RangerZ> shiver inducing concept
21:05 <@Dagmar> Does not computer.
21:05 <@Dagmar> er compute.
21:05 <@Dagmar> I nearly fell out of my chair when I watched that episode of Fringe
21:05 < aestetix> I think the highest I have gotten with lsd is 3-4 hits, at which point the world starts to split apart
21:05 <@RangerZ> b/c neil degrass tyson, was kicked out of jury duty b/c he asked why they were saying the defendant had 2000mg, and not just 2g
21:05 <@RangerZ> pot btw
21:05 <@Dagmar> ...when Walter just casually tells Astrid "I'll need you to mix up about two-thousand millgrams of LSD"
21:06 <@Dagmar> I checked Harvard's website, and then did the math
21:07 <@Dagmar> That would have been enough to make *everyone* on campus lose their minds for the night
21:07 <@Dagmar> ...and he's talking about divvying that up between _four_ people
21:07 <@Dagmar> DO NOT WANT
21:08 < aestetix> Now I'm remember a friend of mine who did LSD and didn't quite come back
21:08 <@Dagmar> You'd _survive_ that dose, but there's a pretty good chance your mind would undergo a Time Lord Regeneration type of reset before it was out of your system
21:09 < aestetix> the whole world splitting apart thing freaked him out and he's been kind of a shamble ever since
21:09 < aestetix> Whereas when it happened to me I was like "well that was fucked up" and then went on with life
21:09 <@Dagmar> Yeah, ther'es blowing your mind and spending the night picking up the pieces, and then there's blowing your mind with thirty pounds of ANTI and sending pieces of it into Low Earth Orbit
21:10 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Ahhh.... Yeah, some people can't handle reality coming apart on them
21:10 < aestetix> Dagmar: yeah. I wound up having to deal with him one night at burning man
21:10 < aestetix> He had to go to the bathroom, so I walked him over to the porter potties, and he pissed his pants while he was in line
21:10 <@Dagmar> There's probably a few psychological tests that could be performed to spot people who are going to have a problem
21:10 < aestetix> which is fucking hilarious
21:11 < aestetix> I called him spud for the rest of the burn
21:15 < aestetix> But yeah, it seems hypocritical for group to say we invite controversial talks and then have someone get upset over the phrase "Deep Throat"
21:15 <@Dagmar> It's self-defeating
21:16 < aestetix> "We can be controversial, but only in the ways I like"
21:16 <@Dagmar> Pretty much
21:32 < aestetix> http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/06/11/320998425/bill-to-allow-refinancing-of-student-loans-dies-in-senate
21:32 <@RangerZ> yep, fuck the current republican party
21:33 <@Dagmar> Absolutely
21:33 <@RangerZ> tail wagging the dog, b/c they jerrymandered the house so bad... that they have 70% republican districts
21:33 < aestetix> uh
21:33 < aestetix> The student loan thing is going to destroy america
21:34 <@Dagmar> It's insane
21:34 < aestetix> Instead of having a generation of entrepreneurs innovating, we have a generation of people burderened with debt
21:34 < aestetix> Too poor to start families or really do anything but pay back loans
21:34 <@Dagmar> _Enslaved_ by debt
21:34 <@RangerZ> but the "tea-party" (aka... the same people as the old moral majority, etc) is able to control the republicans
21:34 <@Dagmar> Any "normal" debt you could at least call a mulligan and file for bankruptcy
21:35 <@RangerZ> student loans should be allowed to disapear with bankruptcy
21:35 <@Dagmar> If you want to escape a student debt, your options are:
21:35 <@Dagmar> 1. Die of old age.
21:35 < aestetix> kill yourself
21:35 <@Dagmar> 2. There is no #2.
21:35 <@Dagmar> That's fucking slavery
21:37 <@RangerZ> I have 2x the 'national average' in debt
21:37 <@RangerZ> and the only reason I don't care, is b/c it is deferred right now, and I see no problem paying it off in the future
21:37 <@RangerZ> but thats only b/c of my degrees
21:37 <@RangerZ> if you aren't in STEM, you're fucked for jobs
21:37 < aestetix> RangerZ: I think we should have the same tuition options that the republicans themselves had 40 years ago when they were in college
21:37 <@RangerZ> Oregon does now
21:37 <@RangerZ> pay 2% for 20 years
21:37 <@RangerZ> and you go to school for free
21:38 <@Dagmar> Sort of indentured servitude, but at a _reasonable_ rate
21:38 <@Dagmar> Might as well be a direct tax
21:38 < aestetix> This is one of the areas where I'm actually ok with the state funding something
21:38 <@Dagmar> I really do think that's a rather elegant solution
21:38 <@RangerZ> yep, but its a _step_ in the right directly
21:38 < aestetix> Because I'm pretty sure tuition has gone up because republicans have pulled government funding
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21:41 < aestetix> I hope Warren runs for president
21:41 < aestetix> I would vote for her
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21:45 <@NotLarry> My $16000 in student loans is now $46000.  That is just priciple.  That is after paying on it for something like 10 years.
21:46 <@NotLarry> One thing I learned from College, don't fuck around with studen loans.
21:47 <@NotLarry> I have a negative mark on my credit from Sallie Mae for some mysterious time when they claim they had my student loan (although they are unable to substantiate that claim).
21:47 <@NotLarry> But, they are right, I never sent them a single payment for my student loan...
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22:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Extrusion and Revolution Solids - A Dildo Generator (at www.dildo-generator.com)
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23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> so... I only have to give a presentation tomorrow
23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> for up to 75k people
23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> FML :/ lol
23:02 <@SuMo_D> what's the presentation on?
23:02 < aestetix> wow
23:02 < aestetix> that's a big audience
23:05 < aestetix> sigh
23:05 < aestetix> getting older sucks
23:06 < aestetix> I need more rest time between conferences
23:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> a brief guide and Q&A on git
23:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> which honestly isn't my forte
23:08 < aestetix> git pull, git reset, git clone?
23:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> but i'm sadly the _best_ of the people in our little research group
23:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gfe9xSklYAy0hklWk1cLJvl6WA0B4KmKGdQaiWUx-h0
23:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: POSA-2014 Guide to Git - Google Docs (at docs.google.com)
23:40 < aestetix> penis
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