--- Log opened Sun Jun 01 00:00:11 2014
00:03 <@RangerZ> 'common core' itself isn't a bad thing
00:03 <@RangerZ> the problem is that students aren't driven to KNOW , but instead to 'do well on the tests'
00:03 <@RangerZ> i learned trig in 3~4th grade, when my engineer/architect grandfather thought I should learn it
00:04 <@RangerZ> and its not honestly that hard
00:04 <@RangerZ> same with calculus
00:04 <@RangerZ> just lots of 'you have to _understand it_ first, before trying to do the problem
00:05 <@RangerZ> mind you I suck at doing calc by hand b/c I can never remember the identities... (I'm bad at pure memorization)
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00:11 < aestetix> If i ever had a kid
00:11 < aestetix> They will be homeschooled
00:12 <@RangerZ> yes/no
00:12 < aestetix> Yes
00:12 < aestetix> I will tell the government to go fuck itself
00:12 <@RangerZ> there is a LOT to be said about the experience of going to school
00:13 <@RangerZ> nvm... i mean normal people, not libertarians
00:13 <@RangerZ> lol
00:13 < aestetix> haha
00:13 <@RangerZ> then you should just pay for private school
00:13 <@RangerZ> obviously
00:14 <@RangerZ> lol
00:14 < aestetix> not a bad idea
00:16 <@RangerZ> my kids will go to public school(if at all possible, with safety considered and the school district being median or above), but I'm focusing on digital learning now it appears for my PhD
00:16 <@RangerZ> so I have no problem teaching my kids stuff at home
00:17 <@RangerZ> which is the key either way
00:18 <@RangerZ> I got into programming originally from reading my mom's old college COBOL books that were under the TV
00:18 <@RangerZ> got to give kids opportunities like that, let them decide what focus areas they like
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00:34 <@klixa> I plan to homeschool
00:34 <@klixa> But in a group
00:34 <@klixa> Kids need socialization
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00:46 <@Dagmar> I just realized the Roomba's startup song is the same as Win 7.  Heh
00:59 <@SuMo_D> they must share a mind
00:59 <@SuMo_D> skynet starts with roomba
01:00 <@Wilpig> how strange is it the only two places delivering food right now is dominos and a cookie delivery place?
01:00 <@SuMo_D> aestetix - I found this article very refreshing - I didn't read the one they're responding to, but I can pretty much imagine from what they're saying http://www.imposemagazine.com/features/allison-crutchield-noisey-response-not-all-women
01:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Not All Women: A Reflection On Being A Musician and Female | Friends with Benefits | Impose Magazine (at www.imposemagazine.com)
01:00 <@RangerZ> Wilpig: did you want BBQ delivered?
01:00 <@Wilpig> I can't get bbq normally here
01:00 <@SuMo_D> mmmmm cooooooookies
01:01 <@SuMo_D> There's some good BBQ in Brooklyn and Manhattan
01:01 <@SuMo_D> I think Dinosaur BBQ has a location in Newark too which is a tiny bit closer to you
01:01 <@Wilpig> there are several places around here that claim to have bbq but it's all weird
01:02 <@SuMo_D> Dinosaur isn't bad.... the Smoke Joint in Ft. Greene is alright too, Blue Ribbon in Park slope is probably the closest you'll find to actual BBQ
01:03 <@SuMo_D> and there's Dallas.... with their GIANT ALCOHOLIC FROZEN Thingies - with the test tube shots.... yeah... too many nights I can't really remember at their various locations
01:03 <@Wilpig> bah.  cookie dude just called to cancel the order cause they close at 1 not 1:30 and stop taking delivery orders at 12:30
01:03 <@SuMo_D> Dinosaur BBQ at the Harlem location takes at least an hour to get a table...
01:04 <@SuMo_D> people are really into it
01:04 <@SuMo_D> oh and there's a new place in LIC my friend works at called The Strand... that people seem to be raving about
01:04 <@SuMo_D> also Virgils in time sq
01:08 <@klixa> Buy a smoker like me and bake your own bbq :)
01:08 <@klixa> I smoked a pork shoulder like 2 weeks ago... BBQ every day
01:09 <@klixa> Make not bake*
01:10 < aestetix> heh
01:10 < aestetix> SuMo_D: I have set up a filter on twitter to block out certain users and keywrods
01:10 < aestetix> notallwomen was a phrase I had to block
01:10 <@SuMo_D> ha - yeah I bet
01:11 <@SuMo_D>  #notallwomen respond well when you block them
01:12  * aestetix shrugs
01:12 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html
01:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Male rape in America: A new study reveals that men are sexually assaulted almost as often as women. (at www.slate.com)
01:13 < aestetix> SuMo_D: the point is that life sucks for most people, period.
01:13 < aestetix> And if you have a computer and are using twitter, honestly, life could be a lot worse
01:15 < aestetix> Seriously. I wonder what Nelson Mandela would have said to them
01:15 < aestetix> The man who spent 27 years in prison, much in solitary confinement
01:15 <@SuMo_D> yeah... I don't use twitter....
01:16 <@SuMo_D> I might have to start with some new stuff I'm working on...
01:16 <@SuMo_D> but yeah... trying to resist as long as possible
01:16 < aestetix> I've been raeding a bunch of french literature lately
01:16 < aestetix> like classic french stuff
01:16 < aestetix> and god damn they are fucked up
01:17 < aestetix> But yeah to have a computer to begin with puts you in a nice place.
01:18 <@SuMo_D> yes and yes
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01:29 < aestetix> “this songs goes out to all the bitches who pay their rent with their tits,
01:29 < aestetix> she does know that's a thing right?
01:29 < aestetix> it's not just some slur
01:38 <@SuMo_D> yeah, but its not usually a thing at a DIY punk show
01:38 <@SuMo_D> where its a little more we're all vegan and inclusive...
01:38 <@SuMo_D> and how the hell do I know what she knows or doesn't know
01:41 <@klixa> Those bitches are buying crack with their toys not paying rent :|
01:42 <@klixa> Err tits*
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02:32 <@northrup> klixa: I smoked a 290 pound pig for a part last week... it was tasty :)
02:34 <@klixa> northrup: Awesome :) I only did like 10 pounds; how long does 290 pounds take?
02:35 <@northrup> Total cook time was 14.5 hours
02:35 <@northrup> cook it split face down, for that - then flip it when the meat comes loose from the hide...
02:36 <@northrup> after the flip, I put some more sauce to it and kept it low temp for another 4 hours or so until the guest showed up :D
02:36 <@klixa> 14 hours is quick...
02:37 <@klixa> I just got my smoker 2 months ago and have only used it twice so I'm still learning
02:37 <@northrup> Yeah - I've had it take a LOT longer... tried a different smoker design this year that allowed me to keep it more air tight.
02:37 <@northrup> which let me keep the whole box around 220 consistantly for 14.5 hours.
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03:41 < aestetix> So
03:41 < aestetix> next time you see someone bitching about white male privilege
03:41 < aestetix> show them this nsfw image: https://24.media.tumblr.com/40fb2738699e51596a08f5b198da0e5e/tumblr_mwxdnw0ppq1rk1ptso1_500.jpg
03:42 <@northrup> well... so that happened....
03:43 < aestetix> And I found a photo of Wilpig's family: http://i.imgur.com/4iiA9eq.jpg
03:43 <@northrup> The joys of the Crusades
04:24 <@Catonic> jesus
04:25 <@Catonic> dude, that's horrid.
04:25 <@Catonic> also... The kangaroo #2 on left seems to be enjoying it the most
04:37 <@northrup> LOL
05:30 <@RangerZ> http://meta.ath0.com/2014/05/30/truecrypt-warrant-canary-confirmed/ thoughts?
06:10 < aestetix> penis
06:29 <@Catonic> lol
06:38 <@Dagmar> My thinking is that the TrueCrypt people found another Heartbleed in their source code, and some TLA stepped up to tell them they weren't allowed to fix it or publish that they'd fixed it.
06:40 <@Dagmar> That sort of shit would be cause for letting a canary announce
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08:59 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: yeah, I first thought they got hacked, but after it didn't come down, and none of them said "we got our site stolen" etc... then canary is the only thing that makes sense
09:00 <@RangerZ> the thing is... the math behind encryption is NOT that hard
09:00 <@RangerZ> just implementing it securely is _extremely_ hard
09:01 <@RangerZ> hell I wrote SDES in javascript (Simplified DES, smaller keys/s-Box/etc, but still functionally similar enough that if you scaled it up to the full spec it would have worked)
09:02 <@RangerZ> just... I wouldn't wish 'using' it on my worse ex-houseplant-coworker
09:02 <@RangerZ> lol
09:41 <@Shadow404> woot
09:41 <@Shadow404> http://www.teaparty.org/georgia-governor-signs-unprecedented-guns-everywhere-bill-40358/
09:41 <@Shadow404> (disclosure: i dont support the teaparty, or any political group)
09:42 <@Shadow404> but woot on this law being signed
10:15 <@RangerZ> glad we've learned so much from colonial times
10:15 <@RangerZ> when they had rules saying you couldn't fire your gun inside the city.... even back then...
10:15 <@RangerZ> :/
10:16 <@RangerZ> as a gun owner... the problem is... I know how fucking stupid people are, and I always tell pro-gun people to picture the 'average' person, then realize that 50% of populace is stupider than them....
10:16  * oddball patiently waits for the rivers of blood that won't come.
10:18 <@Shadow404> that was sorta my same worry too
10:18 <@Shadow404> only gonna take one or two fuck ups to cause issues
10:18 <@RangerZ> I just can't wait for the Local Muslim and/or Black community groups to get together and get everyone a gun
10:19 <@Shadow404> scary
10:19 <@RangerZ> then we'll see gun laws passed
10:19 <@RangerZ> lol
10:20 <@RangerZ> plus, it might _actually_ cause strokes in some of the NRA members, lol
10:20 <@oddball> I'll let yyou in on a little secret: the NRA wants those people to have guns too.
10:20 <@RangerZ> the NRA does
10:21 <@RangerZ> not the NRA members
10:21 <@RangerZ> i chose my wording specifically
10:21 <@oddball> And the NRA is run by the members...
10:21 <@RangerZ> ok
10:21 <@RangerZ> so I'm going to go play a game, and not say anything else, later all
10:21 <@oddball> It's the membership that votes for the board... which includes black people... who run the org.
10:23 <@oddball> In other news: holy shit TrueCrypt is being shut down?
10:23 <@RangerZ> no
10:23 <@oddball> http://boingboing.net/2014/05/29/mysterious-announcement-from-t.html
10:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mysterious announcement from Truecrypt declares the project insecure and dead - Boing Boing (at boingboing.net)
10:23 <@RangerZ> well
10:23 <@RangerZ> its probably a NSA/TLA gov't court order to stop fixing a flaw they found
10:23 <@RangerZ> or to introduce one
10:23 <@oddball> heh
10:23 <@RangerZ> so they 'canary' idea
10:24 <@RangerZ> me and dagmar were talking about this earlier
10:24 <@RangerZ> http://meta.ath0.com/2014/05/30/truecrypt-warrant-canary-confirmed/
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10:24 <@RangerZ> I'd have a deadman's switch , if I was in that kind of situation
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10:25 <@RangerZ> that way you don't have to _actively do anything_
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12:16 <@Catonic> yeah... probably because the software isn't CALEA compliant. Which means it's actually secure.
12:18 <@RangerZ> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7828882 Dagmar you'll have fun with this one :/
12:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Read-only system starting with Android 4.5 | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
12:19 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: MOst of those people aren't very bright.
12:20 <@Dagmar> There's truly a fantastic amount of stupid involved in the Android scene
12:36 <@RangerZ> "omg root apps need to be installed in a different way than 'normal' apps"
12:36 <@RangerZ> umm... thats a _good_ thing
12:37 <@Dagmar> What they should be saying is "Fuck.  I have to deploye SELinux ACLs now."
12:37 <@RangerZ> Corydon76-home: https://lkuper.github.io/blog/2014/05/31/your-next-conference-should-have-real-time-captioning/ ;)
12:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Your next conference should have real-time captioning - composition.al (at lkuper.github.io)
12:38 <@RangerZ> ACLs are 'too complicated'
12:44 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: I will be absent at the June meeting, as I'll be out of town, but you're welcome to bring it up then.
12:45 <@RangerZ> I 'may' have a fellowship meeting then myself
12:45 <@RangerZ> and yeah... " mo' money " > PN, lol
12:47 <@RangerZ> but we'll see
12:48 <@RangerZ> we're suppose to have good AV gear being brought in by someone else, so we'll see what we get
13:05 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: in watch dogs... I threw 4 proximity IEDs, then 4 lures
13:05 <@RangerZ> and one of the gang bangers said "that aint right..."
13:16 <@Dagmar> I have learned to be picky about where I put those (as in, *farther than 5 feet away*, twice now, sadly
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18:16 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2716um/tifu_by_taking_a_naked_photo_with_my_boyfriend/
18:56 <@northrup> this is an interesting read
19:01 < aestetix> indeed
19:02 <@northrup> I'm not sure where I fall down on the "tell your father, because it's child porn" and trusting the justice system to "known pornography when they see it"
19:03 <@northrup> however, we have a penchant in this country for all nude pictures of someone under the age of 18 is child porn, reguardless of how it got there, who took it, and what the circumstances surrounding it were.
19:04  * northrup raises eyebrow
19:04 < aestetix> sounds like a good way to set someone up
19:04 <@northrup> NOT that I think child porn is right...
19:04 <@northrup> I had that same thought... why yes - your laptop auto-magically copies any media device that's plugged into it down...
19:05 <@northrup> here's some goatse for you
19:05 <@Corydon76-home> By legal definition, a photo of persons under the age of 18 in a state of undress and a position meant to be sexually alluring _is_ child porn.
19:06 < aestetix> That's why Snapchat is so popular
19:07 <@Corydon76-home> What's worse is that a child can definitionally be a child pornographer simply by taking selfies
19:08 <@oddball> I think there's been a few nailed for that.
19:09 <@northrup> I'm trying not to find the usage of 'nailed' funny...
19:09 <@northrup> ... I admit to being a horrible person
19:09 <@Corydon76-home> There was a time when that was not the case in California, and some kid had set up a nice little child porn video service, featuring himself, and law enforcement couldn't do anything about it until he turned 18.
19:09 <@Corydon76-home> Right before he turned 18, he fled to Mexico
19:10 <@Corydon76-home> He had made enough money in that time to retire.
19:10 <@northrup> Whoa... that is highly disturbing
19:10 < aestetix> So a kid can be put on a sex offender registry for taking a naked photo of himself, and then having his phone searched by the police for something unrelated?
19:10 <@Corydon76-home> Yep
19:11 <@Corydon76-home> But then again, the kid cannot provide consent to search his phone; only his legal guardian can provide consent
19:11 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: unless you're in a state where you don't have to consent
19:11 < aestetix> Thus the big legal argument in California right now about whether a warrant is needed to search your phone
19:11 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: No, unless the police have reasonable cause to search the phone
19:12 < aestetix> oh
19:12 <@Corydon76-home> Reasonable suspicion, rather
19:13 <@Corydon76-home> Another word that may enter into it is exigent circumstances
19:14 <@Corydon76-home> If the police ask to search your phone, and you refuse, the fact that you might delete evidence while they seek a warrant is considered exigent circumstances sufficient to seize the phone
19:14 <@northrup> isn't that convenient...
19:14 < aestetix> Even if "evidence" are selfies
19:15 <@northrup> want a right to privacy, you're guilty.
19:15 <@Corydon76-home> The police also now need to consider placing the phone in a metallic pouch to prevent a remote wipe
19:15 <@Corydon76-home> northrup: the police are still not allowed to search the phone until they obtain a warrant
19:16 <@Corydon76-home> Seizure is simply a way to ensure the evidence remains intact in the meantime
19:16 <@Corydon76-home> If the judge refuses a request for a warrant, the phone must be returned within a reasonable amount of time (usually 48 hours)
19:17 < aestetix> So this is actually a possible argument for using the cloud.
19:17 <@northrup> Sooo... I could be in contempt if I wore a bluetooth ring that always needed to be in contact with my phone, else it wiped the content?
19:17 < aestetix> Because if your phone gets seized, and all your stuff is on the cloud, just revoke the phones access to it
19:17 <@Corydon76-home> northrup: that's essentially a dead man's switch
19:17 <@northrup> Corydon76-home: agreed
19:18 <@Corydon76-home> But no, you would not be in contempt, unless they could prove that the wipe occurred AFTER they obtained a warrant
19:18 <@northrup> last I saw about this was if the need for a faraday cage would come into play so that a phone could not recieve a remote wipe
19:18 <@Corydon76-home> northrup: metallic envelope does the same thing
19:19 <@northrup> Corydon76-home: oohh... good point... the siezure of the phone and thus activation of the dead man switch would be pre-warrant
19:19 <@Corydon76-home> Essentially, you place the device within something that blocks all signal
19:20 <@Corydon76-home> And you could argue that the police act of placing the device in the envelope was the action that caused the wipe, and thus, the police caused the wipe, not you
19:21 <@Corydon76-home> Now, the police can counter that by holding the envelope open and having you drop the device in
19:21 <@Corydon76-home> But they aren't always known for being the sharpest tools in the shed
19:25 <@northrup> This is very true...
19:40 <@northrup> Well.. that was a rabbit hole of TIFU on reddit that I'll never get back
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20:00 < aestetix> northrup: scale of 1 to 10, how much would you like a night with Donald Duck?
20:01 <@northrup> depends if the rumors are true that he cradles the balls
20:02 < aestetix> you'd have to ask Corydon76-home
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20:28 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/271zsu/tifu_by_having_an_anal_prolapse_on_a_date/
20:39 < eryc> giving up on arch linux on my laptop and going to ubuntu lts
20:39 < eryc> not having good support for google hangouts killed it for me
20:40 < eryc> also remembering how to install a package each time got annoying
20:40 < eryc> pacman -Ss blah
20:40 < eryc> why they do that instead of "pacman search" is beyond me
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21:35 <@RangerZ> eryc: might want to look into debian or something, having used ubuntu on my laptop for the last 3 years (required) I really have started to hate it more and more
21:36 <@RangerZ> this summer I'm planning on testing out a few different distros and seeing which I like best now
21:36 <@RangerZ> (I'm still on 12.04) , which might be the 'problem', but we'll see
21:56 <@brimstone> eryc: fork it, submit a patch
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23:14 <@northrup> eryc: be a real go getter... slap some Gentoo on that thing
23:19 < eryc> i just need stuff to work
23:19 < eryc> i may as well go back to windows
23:19 <@northrup> ... ouch ...
23:20 <@northrup> However, I do know the pain of this.  Even in my person shite I have to keep a Windows 7 VM around for some things that I need that are Windows only.
23:21 < aestetix> I just had a dream that I was elected the mayor of Oakland
23:21 <@northrup> My work laptop is running Windows 7 Enterprise :-/ it's the reality of the job... I need to get shit done and not jump through fiftenn hoops to get there.
23:21 <@northrup> aestetix: and how did that work out for you?
23:21 < aestetix> I woke up as soon as I won
23:21 <@northrup> aestetix: was it like a Rob Ford dream? was there a mountain of blow and hookers at the end?
23:22 < aestetix> no, although I was running against two teenager twins and Kurt Godel
23:23 <@northrup> HA!
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