--- Log opened Sat May 31 00:00:10 2014 00:09 -!- sync350 [~sync@50.180.253.61] has joined #se2600 00:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 00:20 <@Wilpig> aestetix: this is probably the best one. http://straightwhiteboystexting.tumblr.com/post/77034148216/vivvec-there-is-no-escape-from-white-boy 00:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Straight White Boys Texting (at straightwhiteboystexting.tumblr.com) 00:25 <@Dagmar> aestetix: http://rebeccaamoore.com/2014/05/29/university-study-on-sexism-in-bbcs-doctor-who-infographic/ 00:25 <@Dagmar> Enjoy! 00:28 <@Dagmar> This research is truly broken 00:29 <@Dagmar> The entire fucking show is *about* Doctor Who 00:29 <@Dagmar> Who is a guy. 00:29 <@Dagmar> This is not a sitcom 00:30 <@Dagmar> It's not a fuckign documentary 00:30 <@Dagmar> So, yes I think it might be fairly common for the female characters, as well as LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE on the show to center around Doctor Who 00:31 < aestetix> I've never seen Dr Who 00:32 <@Dagmar> Turn in your geek card. 00:32 <@Dagmar> Right now. 00:32 < aestetix> heh 00:32 <@Dagmar> The show is about one person 00:32 <@Dagmar> Not two 00:33 <@Dagmar> This is literally an invalid test to apply 00:33 <@Dagmar> You know what the Bechdel test *does* measure, in this case? 00:34 <@Dagmar> How "aware" the female characters are that the Doctor is a nearly immortal being of incredible intelligence and cunning who might actually know what he's doing. 00:34 <@Dagmar> Donna, 100% "passes" because she's a little thick about that sort of thing. 00:34 <@Dagmar> River is fucking married to him 00:34 <@Dagmar> She knows *exactly* what he is 00:35 <@Dagmar> Rose, a manc. She caught on after awhile tho 00:35 <@Dagmar> Martha, a doctor, considering herself steeped in science, also eventually coming to grips with it 00:36 <@Dagmar> Amy Pond, generally insane. 00:36 <@Dagmar> Also spent a large portion of her formative years wondering if the man she saw was *real* or not 00:37 <@Dagmar> RORY would probably score low on the Bechdel test 00:37 < aestetix> What is the Bechdel test? 00:37 <@Dagmar> Let's not forget that in this show, two women talking to each other is *not* why we are watching the goddamn thing 00:37 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test 00:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bechdel test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 00:38 <@Dagmar> There is one lead character and that character is not (presently) female 00:38 <@SuMo_D> ah you beat me to it 00:38 < aestetix> oh 00:38 <@Dagmar> There is no real way this can "pass" the Bechdel test 00:38 <@Dagmar> Not only is it not generally possible, it's not even sensible to consider it in these terms 00:38 < aestetix> Coudl that be written as "two supporting actors who talk about something besides the main character"? 00:39 <@Dagmar> The problem is that apparently, if a show centers around even one male character and one female character it can "fail" this test. 00:40 <@Dagmar> If they dont' talk to anyone else, the Bechdel Test would seem to imply that this is somehow _sexist_ 00:40 < aestetix> You know 00:40 < aestetix> Actually I should not say what I was going to say 00:40 <@Dagmar> They could be spending two hours playing fuckin' chess, and it would be categorized as a fail 00:40 < aestetix> I think I am just burned out on this because of Oakland fauxminists 00:41 < aestetix> Also, if these "feminists" are mad about things, they could write their own stuff and fight to get it featured. 00:41 < aestetix> I'd be ok with that. 00:41 < aestetix> I'd much rather have more amazing stories and narrative than whiney studies 00:42 <@Dagmar> Jesus christ fully half the women on Doctor Who are holy terrors of power 00:43 <@Dagmar> One would be *insane* to ever cross River Song 00:43 <@Dagmar> For a long part of the storyline, she essentialyl lived in a jail cell under *heavy* guard 00:43 <@Dagmar> If she did *anything* in the cell, the guard assigned to watch her would generally *panic* and start ringing up their commanding officer 00:44 <@Dagmar> "OH MY GOD! SHE'S DOING IT! WHAT DO I DO? WHAT DO I DO?" 00:44 <@Dagmar> "Calm yourself, you've been trained for this. What, exactly is she doing?" 00:44 <@Dagmar> "SHE"S PACKING, SIR!" 00:44 <@Dagmar> The guard would be freaking out because is meant she was *going* to leave the cell to go off and do something, and there wasn't a fucking thing in the world they could do to stop her 00:45 <@Dagmar> ...and she kept coming *back* when she got done with it. 00:45 <@Wilpig> I was just about to say that but was on the wrong window 00:45 <@Dagmar> Said guard would usually be discovered a few minutes later *in* said locked cell, hallucinating out of his mind, or simply uncouncious 00:45 <@Wilpig> her and that lipstick 00:45 <@Dagmar> Yes 00:46 <@Dagmar> Sontarans would probably start a war to get rid of her 00:46 < aestetix> what's that one woman 00:46 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian 00:48 <@Dagmar> I think, seeing as how the show is *about* Doctor WHo, that it's perfectly reasonable that the other characters are going to spend a bit of time talking to him 00:48 < aestetix> Some of these fauxminists need to learn not to feed the trolls. 00:48 < aestetix> I hope that doesn't offend you SuMo_D 00:49 <@SuMo_D> huh? gotta scroll back... been not paying attention 00:49 -!- sync350 [~sync@50.180.253.61] has quit [Quit: wtfsleepomg] 00:49 < aestetix> I am simply saying that some of the fauxminist whining feeds the trolls. They don't seem to realize it. 00:49 <@Dagmar> Seriously, how can someone even consider that a show that cranks out positive female role models on a regular basis is sexist 00:50 <@Dagmar> The Doctor doesn't traffic with B-listers 00:51 <@Dagmar> I'd like to see someone throw this back in her face by applying the inverse rule to Buffy 00:51 <@Dagmar> However, that's years of their life they won't get back 00:52 <@SuMo_D> http://imgur.com/gallery/tn8Z8 00:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: = - Imgur (at imgur.com) 00:54 < aestetix> SuMo_D: I'm gonna take a wild guess and say girls get hit on a LOT more than guys 00:54 <@SuMo_D> some girls do 00:55 <@SuMo_D> but yeah probably overall... > 00:55 <@Dagmar> http://imgur.com/gallery/dJXKJo7 00:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Signs that your cat may have banana dependency - Imgur (at imgur.com) 00:55 <@Dagmar> Yes, because if girls hit on guys, other girls call them a slut 00:55 <@Dagmar> Not. My. Problem. 00:56 < aestetix> I was a reading a reddit thread the other day where girls were complaining about creepy guys 00:56 < aestetix> All the creepy guys were older 00:56 <@Wilpig> I was the subject of said thread the other day, how weird 00:56 < aestetix> And why is it that when a bar closes, the only people left to be kicked out are guys? 00:57 < aestetix> I remember wandering through SF one night at closing time.... bar after bar, huge crowds, not a girl in sight 00:58 <@SuMo_D> I've been kicked out of a plenty a bar at closing 00:58 <@Wilpig> but SuMo_D, you're just one of the guys. ;) 00:58 <@SuMo_D> or usually it was more often the regulars would go out for breakfast together 00:58 < aestetix> Ok, Maybe selection bias? 00:59 -!- sync350 [~sync@50.180.253.61] has joined #se2600 00:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 01:00 <@SuMo_D> Also yeah... the creepy older guys... those are the dumbasses that can't take a hint usually 01:00 < aestetix> Would you say there are equally as many creepy older women? 01:00 <@SuMo_D> yes 01:00 < aestetix> really? 01:00 <@SuMo_D> equally... maybe a stretch but they're def out there... they may not hang out in bars 01:01 < aestetix> Maybe I just don't go to bars often enough. I hear LOTS of complaints about creepy guys though 01:01 <@SuMo_D> I donno NYC has a lot of creepy people maybe 01:01 <@SuMo_D> also.... ok... different girls have different tolerances of creepy 01:01 <@SuMo_D> I've been out with girls before that think "hello" is creepy sometimes 01:01 < aestetix> .... 01:02 <@SuMo_D> cause you know... we have boobs and hello = I want to rape you 01:02 < aestetix> right 01:02 < aestetix> I just hear a lot more complaints about guys 01:03 < aestetix> Maybe it's because I just shrug things off? 01:04 <@SuMo_D> my pinnacle creepy guy experience was a dude who I 1. was sitting at the end of the bar with a friend of mine, who happened to be a lesbian trying to brainstorm way for her to get connected to the community cause she was new to the area... 2. we moved to get away from. 3. he kept interrupting even though I kept literally telling him to FUCK OFF and 4. he pulled my pony tail 01:05 <@SuMo_D> and then he was like whoa!!! when I spun around pushed him back and then caught myself before punching him in the face... 01:06 <@SuMo_D> also he was maybe mid 50s with a Ed Hardy shirt on.... 01:06 < aestetix> Well it's like 01:06 < aestetix> That snuggling service 01:06 < aestetix> Apparently most of their clients are over 50 and divorced men 01:07 <@SuMo_D> yeah... I think this guy still had his wedding ring on fucking creepo 01:07 < aestetix> What I'm getting at 01:07 < aestetix> I keep hearing that men are evil and need to change their ways, blah blah blah 01:07 < aestetix> And woe is me if I suggest there might be more to the picture 01:09 <@SuMo_D> there's always more to the picture 01:10 <@SuMo_D> but like Dagmar said above... sometimes those parts of the picture are not my problem... 01:10 < aestetix> tell that to the twitter fauxminists 01:10 < aestetix> yep! 01:10 < aestetix> that's why I installed a twitter filter 01:11 < aestetix> So I don't have to see 22 year old white rich girl privilege angst unless I *want* to 01:12 < aestetix> on that note I'm gonna go watch porn 01:12 <@Wilpig> adjusting to an overnight schedule blows! 01:12 <@SuMo_D> look I'm sorry you can't get laid random dude... that's not my problem, but you putting your hands on me without permission is my problem, you making my transgender friends feel like shit is my problem, you dismissing my ideas of my boobs, yeah... my fucking problem and I will confront you about it 01:12 * Wilpig lays a hand on SuMo_D's shoulder 01:13 <@SuMo_D> but then that gets me the agro bitch label... 01:13 < aestetix> "I don't care if you founded snapchat...." 01:14 <@SuMo_D> is there porn on snapchat? 01:15 <@Wilpig> is there anything but porn on snapchat? 01:15 <@Wilpig> isn't that its entire purpose in existing? 01:15 <@SuMo_D> I've never really paid attention to it 01:15 <@Wilpig> i've never used it but my understanding is that you can send a picture to someone else with a time limit 01:16 <@Wilpig> and if you try to save it, it notifies the other person 01:18 <@SuMo_D> ha yeah so it is instaporn 01:19 * SuMo_D snapchats wilpig a picture of his severed hand 01:21 * Wilpig pokes SuMo_D with his stump 01:21 <@Wilpig> i'd ask if you wanna try fisting, but i'd need you to lend me a hand 01:21 <@SuMo_D> lol - I guess that's what 3D printers are for 01:21 <@Wilpig> I wonder if I can submit irc logs to that tumblr aestetix linked 01:22 <@Wilpig> I haven't checked aestetix's tumblr lately 01:23 <@SuMo_D> no clue 01:23 <@SuMo_D> ok I should sleep 01:23 <@Wilpig> no sleeping tonight 01:24 <@SuMo_D> why are you working? 01:24 <@Wilpig> I need to try and stay up til at least 10 or 11 01:24 <@SuMo_D> oh are you on the west coast? 01:24 <@Wilpig> gonna be working 10 - 8 this week for some network stuff 01:25 <@Wilpig> we don't usually have overnight coverage except for on call but this is a special set of circumstances 01:26 <@SuMo_D> The Chinese hacked the servers so they can brainwash everyone with their control of worldscutestcats.tumblr right? 01:26 <@SuMo_D> that seems special 01:26 <@Wilpig> heh 01:27 <@Wilpig> http://meanwhileathq.tumblr.com/ <-- that's the one to watch 01:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Meanwhile... at HQ... (at meanwhileathq.tumblr.com) 01:27 <@SuMo_D> so what's the word on Phreaknic? 01:28 <@Wilpig> I'm not supposed to say anything about it cause I don't know anything and i'm overly negative 01:28 <@Wilpig> and the person in charge is actively ignoring anything that comes outta my mouth 01:29 <@SuMo_D> since when do you do what you're supposed to do? 01:29 <@Wilpig> never 01:29 <@Wilpig> unless there's a woman telling me what to do, in that case I generally do as i'm told 01:30 <@SuMo_D> so.... tell me what's going on 01:30 <@Wilpig> someone started making a shitty website. http://phreaknic.info/newnash2600 01:30 <@Wilpig> but it's based on wordpress and the api is still open so that would be bad if it ever went live cause you know... hackercon and all 01:30 <@SuMo_D> I was going to say it loops pretty wpressy 01:31 <@Wilpig> the hotel contract has been signed, but nobody has actually seen the terms, and it is with the millenium maxwell house in nashville 01:31 <@SuMo_D> cool so its actually in Nashville this year 01:31 <@Wilpig> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5BXoaeDi2ujQ2g0Rl9xcEk3dkU/edit?usp=sharing 01:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: PhreakNIC Proposal.pdf - Google Drive (at drive.google.com) 01:31 <@Wilpig> in theory 01:32 <@SuMo_D> so... the thing with that I don't get is, why would you guys who live there spend money on a room, and isn't that most of the conference? Or is it worth shelling out that money just to party there for the weekend 01:32 <@Wilpig> now if that is the deal they agreed to, someone needs to be finding 10g rather quickly or be setting up plans to declare bankruptcy for the non-profit come november 01:32 <@Wilpig> when you live there you get a room so you can drink and not drive 01:33 <@Wilpig> or if you're an organizer you're staying there the entire time in case problems come up, etc so you get a room to be close 01:33 <@Dagmar> http://imgur.com/gallery/hVwAf67 01:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Oh Thailand... - Imgur (at imgur.com) 01:35 <@Wilpig> heh 01:35 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jquetefdsv8i1ne/Screen%20Shot%202014-05-30%20at%2012.07.47%20PM.png 01:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - Screen Shot 2014-05-30 at 12.07.47 PM.png (at www.dropbox.com) 01:38 <@Wilpig> fuck. today is just now saturday, not sunday 01:55 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 01:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 01:57 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 01:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 02:03 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 02:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 02:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 02:37 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:51 < aestetix> vagina 02:58 <@northrup> ham walet 04:06 -!- sync350 [~sync@50.180.253.61] has quit [Quit: wtfsleepomg] 07:53 <@Dickie> hairy axe wound 08:00 <@RangerZ> "Things on Wilpig's ass for 400 Alec" ? 08:00 <@RangerZ> nope... sorry vagina rules that one out 11:38 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 12:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 13:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 13:36 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 13:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 13:42 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600 13:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 13:43 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 13:52 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 13:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 13:56 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:08 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 15:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 15:49 -!- sync350 [~sync@50.180.253.61] has joined #se2600 15:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 16:12 -!- sync350 [~sync@50.180.253.61] has quit [Quit: wtfsleepomg] 16:19 -!- strages__ is now known as strages 16:48 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 16:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 16:49 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 17:10 < aestetix> Ok. 17:11 < aestetix> Question: how many of you know who Plutarch or Herodotus is? 17:16 <@Dagmar> Dead greeks, right? 17:16 < aestetix> yes 17:18 -!- sync350 [~sync@50.180.253.61] has joined #se2600 17:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 17:20 < aestetix> Dagmar: you just proved yourself smarter than 90% of americans 17:29 <@Dagmar> This is a thing I am already familiiar with. 18:19 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 18:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 18:23 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 18:35 -!- sync350 [~sync@50.180.253.61] has quit [Quit: wtfsleepomg] 19:34 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 19:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 19:45 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc1JGMxeI6U 19:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Wider Parking Spots Just For Women (Theyre Pink, Too!) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 19:51 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:52 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 19:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 19:55 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 19:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 19:56 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 20:40 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: u backing up stuff? 21:40 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 21:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 21:43 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 22:24 < aestetix> RangerZ: http://powersfulmath.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/who-or-what-broke-my-kids/ 22:35 -!- sync350 [~sync@50.180.253.61] has joined #se2600 22:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 23:49 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] --- Log closed Sun Jun 01 00:00:11 2014