--- Log opened Thu May 22 00:00:02 2014 00:02 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I assume earlier you meant openssl? 00:03 < SuMo_D_> thanks eryc!!! 00:04 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: Yep. 00:57 -!- vaneck_ is now known as vaneck 00:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o vaneck] by ChanServ 01:01 < aestetix> sigh 01:02 < aestetix> spent the last hour trying to figure out why this fucking process won't start 01:02 < aestetix> it won't create a pid. it's annoying 01:03 < aestetix> now *why* it won't create a pid is another question 01:13 <@Bahhumbug> pid or pid file? 01:13 < aestetix> pid file 01:13 <@Bahhumbug> What platform? 01:13 < aestetix> ubuntu 01:14 < aestetix> strace keeps showing a file not found error when trying to access the pid 01:14 <@Bahhumbug> And therein lies your problem. 01:14 < aestetix> heh 01:14 <@Corydon76-home> File not found typically means the parent directory doesn't exist 01:14 <@Bahhumbug> It's cute how people try to make that POS act like a real platform. 01:14 < aestetix> right 01:14 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: the init process creates the pid file. Or at least, it's supposed to. 01:15 < aestetix> I have another system that works fine, been tracing config files to see if I can find a difference 01:15 * aestetix sighs 01:16 <@Corydon76-home> Why would the init process create a pid file? 01:16 <@Bahhumbug> upstart creates it. 01:16 <@Bahhumbug> upstart is owned by init. 01:16 <@Bahhumbug> Well, on that POS upstart _is_ init, isn't it? 01:16 < aestetix> I think. 01:17 < aestetix> Well init.d 01:17 <@Corydon76-home> I thought the startup script created the pid file 01:18 <@Bahhumbug> If it's upstart than upstart should be handling it. 01:18 <@Corydon76-home> and if the startup script says to put the pidfile in a directory that doesn't exist, that would be the problem 01:18 <@Bahhumbug> If it's upstart in sysv mode bash will be doing it. 01:18 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: on the working system, it creates the directory before putting in the pidfile 01:19 <@Bahhumbug> ... 01:19 <@Bahhumbug> That doesn't sound right. 01:19 <@Bahhumbug> Not arguing as I don't run toy OSes, but that just sounds like a poor design. 01:19 < aestetix> heh 01:19 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: what are you running, then, AIX? 01:19 < aestetix> OpenBSD? 01:20 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: he said it wasn't a toy OS 01:21 < aestetix> heh 01:21 <@Bahhumbug> Everything that I manage / care about is CentOS. 01:21 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, yes, the Linux for people who can't afford RHEL 01:22 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, no. 01:22 < aestetix> What is the differnce between RHEL and CentOS? 01:22 <@Corydon76-home> There's no other reason to run CentOS 01:22 < aestetix> Besides support 01:22 <@Bahhumbug> There is a reason that RHEL acquired CentOS' marks. Innovation in the cloud realm. 01:22 <@Bahhumbug> There's a _LOT_ of reasons to run CentOS vs RHEL. 01:23 <@Corydon76-home> The whole point is that you can use packages that are otherwise built to run on RHEL, but if you don't want to spend the money for RHEL, you go for CentOS 01:23 * Bahhumbug shrugs 01:23 <@Bahhumbug> I am not going to debate this with you except to say you're not seeing the full picture and really don't know what it is you're speaking of. 01:23 * Bahhumbug goes to watch tv 01:24 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, that's why I manage RHEL and CentOS boxes in our cluster 01:24 <@Corydon76-home> It's the Linux we run when FreeBSD won't work for the task 02:13 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 02:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 03:09 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 03:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 03:14 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:59 < aestetix> Wilpig: found another nsfw picture of your gf: http://i.imgur.com/2yTZBUZ.jpg 04:01 < aestetix> wow 04:01 < aestetix> this is a site 04:01 < aestetix> http://www.ilovegirlfarts.com/post/97/thin_thong_farts_with_allison/ 04:39 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: That's nice. You still don't get the CentOS ecosystem. I would suggest reading up on recent developments in Xen4CentOS, the various SIGs that are being formed, the new transparency in the project itself, the statements from Red Hat regarding the partnership, etc. 04:39 <@Bahhumbug> It's quite a bit more than "free w/ no support". 04:52 -!- klixxa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqxocolovvviiahq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:37 -!- Dolemite_ is now known as Dolemite 07:38 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 09:12 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: Given your pejorative about Ubuntu being just a toy OS, I think you fail to understand the Ubuntu ecosystem. 09:14 <@Wilpig> ubunutu hit their goal of making it easy to transition from windows to a *nix desktop for joe anyuser. anything past that is beyond their scope, imo 09:15 <@brimstone> Wilpig: have you looked at ubuntu's MaaS? 09:16 <@Wilpig> nope 09:16 <@brimstone> talking about beyond scope of switching from windows... 09:17 <@Wilpig> yeah that's far beyond it. that is similar to collins 09:18 <@Wilpig> http://tumblr.github.io/collins/ 09:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Collins - Infrastructure Management for Engineers (at tumblr.github.io) 09:18 <@brimstone> you had mentioned collins before 09:27 <@Dickie> My wife's friend named her daughter Collins. 09:27 <@Dickie> I think that's weird. 09:28 * Dickie participates 10:02 <@Dagmar> You are fucking kiddinng me. 10:02 <@Dagmar> https://it.vanderbilt.edu/security/secure-communications/remote-access/junos-pulse-android.php 10:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Junos Pulse - Android Instructions | Remote Access | Secure Communications | Security | Vanderbilt IT | Vanderbilt University (at it.vanderbilt.edu) 10:03 <@Dagmar> Can anyone else see what's wrong with that page? 10:04 <@Shadow404> pulse sucks, its just slightly more secure than novell netware 10:04 <@Dagmar> Look at #9. 10:05 <@Dolemite> Heh 10:05 <@Dolemite> We're too cheap to buy a certificate signed by a recognized CA! 10:05 <@Dagmar> Actually, I think our idiots fucked it up 10:05 <@Dagmar> I get the cert warning *sometimes*, but the fucking app refuses to show me a motherfucker thumbprint on the cert 10:05 <@Dagmar> We have a Geotrust cert. 10:06 <@Dagmar> I know goddamn well my phone *has* the CA cert for it 10:06 <@Dagmar> This is just incompetence 10:06 <@Corydon76-home> If you're too cheap to buy a cert, then get an annual cert from startssl 10:06 <@Dagmar> The thing is probably carping that it doesn't have the correct key 10:06 <@Dagmar> Very quietly, in all capitals, in a log file somewhere. Over and over. 10:07 <@Dagmar> But hey... it's not like security engineers should be required TO READ SHIT 10:08 <@Corydon76-home> I love how at the top it says a VPN account is no longer required, which is contradicted by step 8. 10:16 <@shapr> good morning? 10:16 * shapr hugs Shadow404 with much happiness 10:18 <@Dagmar> We have retarded children working for us in that department 10:19 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 10:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 10:20 <@Dagmar> http://dagmar.evilgiggle.com/~dagmar/failingatsecurity.png 10:22 <@Dagmar> I'm pushing that up to imgur later tonight 10:22 <@Dagmar> Hell I might even post the fucker to Reddit 10:28 <@Wilpig> you need to show more of the page to get the context 10:29 <@Wilpig> the average person is going to think you mean don't click accept on an untrusted cert not the whole writing it down to tell people to do it 10:29 -!- Goat21_HM [~SyntaxErr@ip70-160-52-211.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #se2600 10:29 < Goat21_HM> GOOOOD MORNING FRIENDS!!!! 10:31 <@Wilpig> can we get all friends of goat to raise their right hand, please? 10:32 <@shapr> howdy Goat21_HM ! 10:32 < Goat21_HM> HAH! 10:33 * Dolemite puts hands in pocket 10:33 * Goat21_HM sighs 10:33 * Dolemite plays pocket pool 10:33 < Goat21_HM> You'll be sorry!! When your dead skeleton bodies are crying!! 10:34 <@shapr> wait what? 10:34 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@192.249.59.215] has quit [Changing host] 10:34 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@unaffiliated/dasunt] has joined #se2600 10:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dasunt] by ChanServ 10:34 -!- dsmouse [~pjones@66.45.4.254] has joined #se2600 10:45 * Goat21_HM kicks @Wilpig in the junk 10:47 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: Considering that the message is precisely DON'T CLICK ACCEPT ON AN UNTRUSTED CERT that seems fine to me 10:47 <@Wilpig> that message is okay but some people use self signed certs. they don't use them on forward facing applications like vpn clients 10:48 <@Dagmar> Then they can be idiots 10:48 <@Dagmar> They're not my fucking problem 10:48 <@Corydon76-home> If you're using an internal CA, you ought to add that cert to your various clients 10:48 <@Dagmar> Also, if they have enough sense to know how to use a fuckin' self-signed cert, they know how to make devices accept it 10:48 <@Dagmar> This particular case is just rampant idiocy 10:49 * dsmouse wonders what y'all are talking about 10:49 <@Wilpig> dsmouse: your mom 10:49 <@Dagmar> Look at step #9 https://it.vanderbilt.edu/security/secure-communications/remote-access/junos-pulse-android.php 10:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Junos Pulse - Android Instructions | Remote Access | Secure Communications | Security | Vanderbilt IT | Vanderbilt University (at it.vanderbilt.edu) 10:49 <@Dagmar> Fucking idiots 10:49 <@Dagmar> Anyway, someone who can afford the VPN appliance this software works with isn't going to balk at spending $100 for a fuckin SSL cert 10:50 < dsmouse> surely $20? 10:50 <@Corydon76-home> Again, StartSSL... free 365 day signed cert... 10:50 <@Dagmar> DOES IT REALLY FUCKING MATTER HOW MUCH SOMEONE PAYS FOR IT? 10:50 <@Dagmar> Jesus holy fucking christ people 10:51 < dsmouse> yes, cheaper is less of an excuse :) 10:51 <@Dagmar> The appliances cost a few thousand 10:51 < dsmouse> and yes, that's stupid 10:51 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, free means no excuse like "I forgot to provide for that in my budget" 10:51 <@Dolemite> The whole point is that you're telling people to accept an untrusted certificate. On purpose. 10:51 <@Dagmar> Dolemite++ 10:51 <@Dagmar> It is *offensively* wrong 10:52 < dsmouse> I got that beat 10:52 <@Dagmar> You might as well be putting out flyers saying "STRANGERS HAVE GREAT CANDY" and distributing them around grade schools 10:52 <@Dolemite> Given the amount of money wasted at VU ITS on everything except for coffee ** (don't get me started) it's no big deal to buy a "real" cert. 10:52 <@Dagmar> ...and they have a "real" cert 10:52 <@Dagmar> They're just idiots who have somehow fucked it up 10:52 <@Shadow404> heh, dyndns still trying to convert basic to paid members 10:53 <@Dolemite> oh lawd 10:53 <@Shadow404> apparently didnt get migration quota 10:53 <@Dagmar> ...but the pulse app is a piece of shit that doesn't let you look at the fucking certificate closely enough to let you make an intelligent/informed decision about it 10:54 < dsmouse> wells fargo sent me a "secure email", with a html attachment, and instructions to download it, and click on it to view 10:54 < dsmouse> *legit* not phishing! 10:54 <@Dagmar> LART time 10:55 < dsmouse> and they used a CISCO product to do it 10:57 < dsmouse> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s340/sh/72e51121-5bd8-42fe-a865-2c95d6318bc3/2f268b06141807f3f36b951cbde0046a/res/7a74eca5-a6c6-4779-9c9f-66ebd815b75a/noname.png?resizeSmall&width=832 10:57 < dsmouse> see if you can see that 10:59 < dsmouse> http://goo.gl/200KoG 10:59 < dsmouse> shorter 11:00 < dsmouse> and the CISCO product was for Aetna, sorry 11:00 <@Dagmar> I can 11:01 <@Dagmar> Maybe we need to set up a blog somewhere and just let people post this stupid shit with explanations why it's fucking stupid 11:01 <@Dagmar> At least if your'e viewing a web page your browser knows not to execute shit from it outside a sandbox 11:01 <@Dagmar> Except if you're using IE and the fucking documents have been DOWNLOADED then IE thinks it's totally fucking fine to just execute whatever the fuck the HTML askss for 11:02 <@Dagmar> So that's aggressively insecure bullshit they're doing there 11:02 < dsmouse> http://goo.gl/kQ82YF. 11:02 < dsmouse> That's even better 11:03 <@Dagmar> Jesus 11:04 < dsmouse> http://goo.gl/kQ82YF is better. It's payload is http://goo.gl/G7L5Ui 11:05 < dsmouse> enter your password to this random HTML file I mailed you and it'll take you right to our site! 11:05 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:06 < dsmouse> so, on a scale of 1 to fucking stupid, they're a 10 11:06 < dsmouse> It's PERFECT training to make sure users fall for phishing 11:06 <@Corydon76-home> We already have a site for that: thedailywtf.com 11:07 < dsmouse> oooh! 11:07 < dsmouse> Yes, I'll tell them 11:11 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:29 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.147.152.2] has joined #se2600 11:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:37 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:51 -!- Goat21_HM [~SyntaxErr@ip70-160-52-211.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [] 12:02 -!- frsilent_ is now known as frsilent 12:03 -!- frsilent is now known as Guest691 12:04 -!- dsmouse [~pjones@66.45.4.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13 -!- Guest691 is now known as frsilent 12:13 -!- frsilent [~frsilent@69.175.32.202] has quit [Changing host] 12:13 -!- frsilent [~frsilent@unaffiliated/frsilent] has joined #se2600 12:14 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.147.152.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:10 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 13:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 13:12 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:12 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 13:12 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 14:14 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.147.152.2] has joined #se2600 14:28 < aestetix> vagina 14:51 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: I'm am sorry. I can not in good faith consider ubuntu to be anything other than a toy. _Every_ _Single_ release to date has had one or more issues that would be considered release blockers by any platform other than Canonicals. They've shipped every release with issues. You can attribute this to shit poor engineering or to their idiotic release schedule, but the point remains. 14:53 <@oddball> You mean other than Unity? (after they adopted that horrific... thing) 14:57 <@Bahhumbug> Broken X, broken drivers, broken PA and I can't recall the most recent but it was a doozy as well. 14:58 <@Bahhumbug> Much is probably due to their enforced and intractable release schedule. Hard release schedules are just a complete fail to begin with - you will inevitably release with issues, often big ones. 14:59 <@Bahhumbug> And, for the record, I AM FUCKING SICK OF THIS FUCKING HEAD COLD. 15:01 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: 25% 15:01 <@Shadow404> still, more expensive for a relative plan 15:02 < aestetix> heh 15:02 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I will admit I can't argue with that. 15:03 <@shapr> VAINA 15:03 <@Bahhumbug> Shadow404: That's a _nice_ discount. It may not be what you're looking for, but that's pretty sweet, really. 15:03 <@shapr> please? 15:03 <@Bahhumbug> angina? 15:03 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: also, the ppa system. 15:04 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: what's the difference between CentOs and RHEL though? 15:04 < aestetix> I thought it was just support 15:04 <@Bahhumbug> I don't have a problem with PPA, really. It's no different than Fedorka's new COPR system or the SuSE OpenBuild platform when you get right down to it. 15:05 < aestetix> PPAs are useful because the Ubuntu system is way too slow to include new versions, but I've had ppas break on me in not fun ways 15:05 <@Bahhumbug> CentOS is providing dev and value adds that RHEL is not able (or willing?) to do. Their cloud efforts, for one. Xen4CentOS as another. The various SIGs such as the cloud SIG or the storage SIG. 15:06 < aestetix> What are their cloud efforts? 15:06 <@Bahhumbug> It's no longer a case of CentOS being RHAT's downstream; CentOS is now upstream for various aspects. 15:06 < aestetix> Too bad sdodson isn't here 15:06 <@shapr> I hear that Fedora's COPR system config files are called COPRolites 15:07 <@Bahhumbug> Or mgalgoci. 15:08 <@Bahhumbug> I am not in a position to speak towards their cloud efforts as I am not involved nor following it that closely. In a (possibly wrong) overview they are making CentOS images and the underlying tooling available for most of the common cloud platforms / infra. 15:08 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: Every distro has issues. RHEL5 shipped with gcc 4.2, a completely brain-dead compiler 15:09 < aestetix> Ubuntu is largely responsible for bringing Linux into the mainstream though 15:09 <@shapr> I thought that was Android? 15:09 <@Bahhumbug> The centos-devel list archives can give you a better idea of things than I can. 15:09 <@Corydon76-home> Think about that... an LTS enterprise-grade distro, shipped with a majorly broken compiler 15:09 <@shapr> People keep saying this might be the year of Linux on the desktop, but Linux stole the smartphone instead. 15:09 <@Bahhumbug> Think about this. It build the distro. 15:09 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I generally distrust any "cloud" systems unless I have access to them 15:09 <@Bahhumbug> So perhaps it's not as broken as people say? 15:09 <@Bahhumbug> The _big_ problem with gcc was back in the RHL days. 15:10 <@shapr> I trust cloud systems, as long as it's my personal VPS. 15:10 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: it was broken in multiple ways. 4.1.2 was fine. 4.2.1 was not. 15:10 * Bahhumbug shrugs 15:10 < aestetix> shapr: right. As long as I have root access. 15:10 <@shapr> right, exactly 15:10 <@Bahhumbug> It bootstrapped the disto. 15:10 < aestetix> And can set up disk encryption, and make sure I have access to the ssl cert being used for secure API auth 15:10 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: so if you code around the bugs, you're fine? 15:10 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: I am not a fan of "the cloud". Not even a bit. 15:10 <@Corydon76-home> One could say the same thing about any other release of any other distro or OS 15:11 <@Corydon76-home> "Windows ME is fine, as long as you code around the bugs" See? 15:11 <@shapr> I've setup up too many colo boxes, I like my VPS more. 15:12 <@Bahhumbug> pts/0 root@frodo:/centos/5/os/i386# find /centos/5/os/x86_64/CentOS -name \*.rpm | wc -l 15:12 <@Bahhumbug> 3662 15:12 <@Bahhumbug> The broken compiler built all of that. 15:12 < aestetix> YOu're running as root? 15:12 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not saying that version was without fault. But a 10 year lifetime EL platform was built on it. 15:12 <@Bahhumbug> I always run as root. 15:13 < aestetix> I hope you don't make many typos. 15:13 <@Corydon76-home> A broken clock is right twice a day 15:13 <@Bahhumbug> I don't. 15:13 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: typos are just as bad when you prefix it with 'sudo' 15:13 <@Bahhumbug> I've been doing this since '81. In that time I've made one truly bad mistake. 15:13 < aestetix> fair enough 15:13 <@Corydon76-home> Only one? 15:13 <@Bahhumbug> Which means I am about due. 15:13 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: do you have root login enabled? 15:13 <@Bahhumbug> Yep. 15:13 <@Bahhumbug> Dell sysvr4. 15:13 < aestetix> On port 22? 15:14 <@Bahhumbug> I removed /etc. 15:14 <@Corydon76-home> Did you have backups? 15:14 <@Bahhumbug> Easy enough to rfs mount /etc from another machine, copy, fix the 5 or 6 truly important config files, and go on with life. 15:14 <@Bahhumbug> (yes, rfs. I am that old :/ ) 15:14 <@Corydon76-home> That's not a truly bad mistake, then 15:15 <@Bahhumbug> Production box. It could have been catastrophic. 15:15 <@Bahhumbug> And no, we did not have backups at that point. 15:15 <@Bahhumbug> We did the next day after picking up a tape drive. 15:15 < aestetix> Well, is losing the /etc directory bad if all your processes are already in memory and don't need to reload config? 15:15 < aestetix> Assuming you never plan to reboot 15:15 < aestetix> And you have no power outages 15:16 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: For various maintenance functions, locked down to keys only and limited to management interfaces / vpn only. 15:16 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: ah ok 15:16 <@Bahhumbug> This was in '92; not everything was contained fully in memory :) 15:16 < aestetix> Brute forcing a key is a bit harder than a password. 15:16 <@Bahhumbug> It's more an issue of the Next Big SSH / SSL hole. 15:17 < aestetix> well we should get one in about 8 years right? 15:17 <@Bahhumbug> With the advent of config management tools it is less and less a necessity to provide remote root. 15:17 < aestetix> IIRC the debian one was in 2006 15:17 <@Bahhumbug> @fisaco 15:17 <@Bahhumbug> @fiasco 15:17 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm, used to be there. 15:18 <@Bahhumbug> did Manoj ever hang out around here when he was still in town? 15:19 <@Bahhumbug> (Manoj Srivastava in case the name wasn't familiar, ex Debian project secretary) 15:20 <@Corydon76-home> I don't think he did 15:20 <@Corydon76-home> He was more of the nlug crowd 15:23 * Bahhumbug nods 15:23 <@Bahhumbug> I kinda miss him. 15:24 <@Bahhumbug> He was the one person that I knew I could always get a blunt and honest answer from. 15:31 < aestetix> I'll give you blunt answers. 15:35 <@Corydon76-home> When he said blunt, he didn't mean "laced with pot" 15:42 < aestetix> wow 15:42 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2014/may/22/pentagon-report-snowden-leaks-damage-report 15:42 < aestetix> That's one of the most redacted documents I've ever seen 15:43 <@Dagmar> Well, at least they've learned to not do it with a PDF overlay 15:43 < aestetix> haha 15:44 <@Dagmar> As far as I care, their "damage" is just too bad 15:44 <@Dagmar> Seeing as how the bulk of it was their ability to spy on just everyone at once with no oversight, big fuckin' deal 15:44 <@Dagmar> THey should not have been doing this in the first place 15:45 <@Dagmar> It's like someone claiming Visa is abusing them by turning off their credit card after it's gone way past it's limit 15:50 < aestetix> heh 15:50 < aestetix> I kind of wanna make a fake Office Clippy thing 15:50 < aestetix> "So it looks like you're about to leak classified documents!" 15:52 <@Bahhumbug> "And how would you like me to disseminate this material for you?" 15:58 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 15:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 15:58 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C70QRbawN8 15:58 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 15:58 < aestetix> I've never heard this song before 16:02 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@68-115-132-166.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 16:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 16:06 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@68-115-132-166.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@68-115-132-166.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 16:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 16:12 < aestetix> ok 16:12 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@68-115-132-166.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:12 < aestetix> What's the cheapest phone I can get that can save SMS and contacts to an SD card? 16:12 < aestetix> Wondering if a sidekick can do that 16:18 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@68-115-132-166.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 16:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 16:19 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Do any phones actually save them on the SD card at all? I thought it was either the GSM card or internal storage only 16:19 <@brimstone> nokias used to 16:19 <@Corydon76-home> I haven't had a nokia since before they included SD cards at all 16:20 <@brimstone> oh, SD 16:20 <@brimstone> n/m 16:20 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: that's what i'm trying to figure out 16:20 < aestetix> I'm blown away that nobody supports this. 16:21 < aestetix> It seems like a no brainer to me. 16:21 < aestetix> My SIM card only has room for 200 contacts. So if my phone dies, what am I supposed to do? 16:21 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Why would they? Seems like it would be easier to use cloud storage, which is backed up and more reliable than an SD card 16:21 < aestetix> I guess they are pushing the cloud. 16:22 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: because I don't want to use the cloud. 16:22 <@Corydon76-home> When I get a new phone, the contacts are instantaneously synced from the cloud 16:22 < aestetix> The cloud often means google 16:22 < aestetix> And I don't want Google having all that info 16:22 <@Corydon76-home> That's precisely what it means 16:22 <@Corydon76-home> LOL 16:23 <@Corydon76-home> Between the phone company and Google, the phone company is far more evil 16:23 < aestetix> Yes. 16:23 < aestetix> And my SD card is not evil. 16:23 <@Corydon76-home> and they have access to everything on your phone 16:23 <@Corydon76-home> Period 16:23 < aestetix> Or my personal server, if I wanted to set up there. 16:24 < aestetix> So it looks like my best hope for a phone that works the way I want is an arduinophone. 16:25 <@Corydon76-home> Knock yourself out 16:33 <@brimstone> it'd be neat to build an arduino or raspi phone 16:33 <@brimstone> probably shit to use 16:38 < aestetix> My ultimate issue with the cloud is not them having my data 16:39 < aestetix> It's their ability to cut me off from my data, and me not being able to do anything about it. 16:39 <@brimstone> the only thing you can do is make constant backups and be prepared to switch to a different cloud 16:40 < aestetix> You mean like making backups to an SD card? :) 16:40 <@brimstone> yup :) 16:41 < aestetix> So from an efficiency point of view... 16:42 < aestetix> just saying 16:44 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: btw, I think I have a damned good reason not to trust google 16:58 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Yes, but you have a far better reason not to trust the cell phone company 17:00 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@68-115-132-166.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@68-115-132-166.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 17:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:00 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: but I'm not forced to use Google to make phone calls 17:00 < aestetix> And I trust tmobile more than say verizon because they are german based 17:02 <@brimstone> but they're not now, not in the states at least 17:03 < eryc> http://www.dogeos.net/ 17:04 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you do know that T-Mobile is in talks to be acquired by Sprint, right? 17:05 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@68-115-132-166.static.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:05 * aestetix sighs 17:05 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: how many telephone companies will be left? 17:08 < aestetix> Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T? 17:09 <@brimstone> a billion MVNOs that resell Sprint and T-Mobile 17:09 <@brimstone> more hands, same number of pots 17:29 <@Wilpig> now i'm concerned. my boss just handed me my knife back after making it very clear he was wiping his fingerprints of 17:29 <@Wilpig> off 17:31 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msvm0JRGGD4 17:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Playing Gang Missions in Watch Dogs - IGN Live Gameplay - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 17:31 <@RangerZ> this is so wrong... 17:43 < aestetix> Ok so 17:44 < aestetix> Any business person would tell you that having all your revenue coming from one source is not good practice, right? 17:49 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.147.152.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:50 <@RangerZ> aestetix: depends, is that one source a gullible bay area group of 20~30 somethings? 17:50 < aestetix> hahahaha 17:51 < aestetix> I was actually more commenting on the Metafilter/Google thing 17:51 <@RangerZ> metafilter? 17:51 < aestetix> http://searchengineland.com/metafilter-penalized-google-192168 17:53 <@RangerZ> ehh 17:53 <@RangerZ> not a problem 17:53 <@RangerZ> they just suck at SEO 17:53 < aestetix> RTFA :) 17:53 <@RangerZ> nah 17:53 <@RangerZ> lol 17:54 <@RangerZ> but I did actually skim it, its not Google's problem, its theirs 17:54 <@RangerZ> if they rely on google for most of their traffic, then it sucks for them 17:54 < aestetix> Which is why I said.... 17:54 < aestetix> Relying on one source for all your revenue is not good practice. 17:55 <@RangerZ> I'm becoming more of a fan of 'direct advertising' (misnomer) in videos/sites 17:55 <@RangerZ> 1st party ads I guess is the other name 17:56 <@RangerZ> I was amazed to learn that websites have these things called "ads" 17:56 <@RangerZ> and if sites weren't still being hit with mal-ware ads... I might unblock 'well-behaving' ads 17:57 <@RangerZ> but it is a security hole to allow ads to run now 17:57 <@RangerZ> plus it eats up bandwidth 19:19 < aestetix> penis 19:44 <@Dagmar> These two things are related. 19:45 <@Dagmar> http://wod.wowhead.com/item=112154 19:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Simplyswift Treads - Item - World of Warcraft (at wod.wowhead.com) 19:45 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_dyOxAfEzI 19:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Powdered Toast Man FULL - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 19:46 <@Dagmar> Equip: Disengage no longer has a cooldown. 19:51 <@Dagmar> "Disengage" makes the hunter bounce back about 15 yards or so, and works in midair. 19:51 <@Dagmar> With those boots, you can derp yourself all over the map... in _reverse_ 19:51 <@Dagmar> Wilbur and Mirage will understand for sure. 20:00 <@Wilpig> doesn't surprise me 20:02 <@Dagmar> I'm going to see about whether or not this is available to me yet. 20:02 <@Dagmar> It would be worth it just to shout "POWDERED TOAST MAAAAAAAN!" and fly away, in reverse 20:03 <@Dagmar> ...or perhaps, "POWDERED TOAST DWAAAARF!" 20:09 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600 20:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 20:11 <@Wilpig> I was talking to one of the HR girls this afternoon and she tells me that she's been swamped because on monday she will be onboarding 19 new employees 20:11 <@Wilpig> I laughed at her and asked if she'd like for us to arrange a top hat, whip, and a wooden chair for monday 20:18 < aestetix> good god 20:18 < aestetix> how many employees does tumblr have? 20:19 <@Wilpig> those are mostly summer interns 20:19 <@Wilpig> but something liek 250 ? 20:19 < aestetix> damn 20:20 < aestetix> It's so hard to understand why you need 250 employees to run a blog widget site 20:20 <@Wilpig> it's alarming how many of those people are in sales / marketing 20:20 < aestetix> huh 20:20 < aestetix> What does tumblr do with sales and marketing? 20:20 <@Wilpig> ad sales 20:21 <@Wilpig> we were talking about them today and laughed because we've all clicked on some of the ads not realizing they were ads 20:21 < aestetix> huh 20:22 < aestetix> can you give an example of an ad you don't think is an ad? 20:22 <@Wilpig> looking for one now 20:22 < aestetix> ok 20:24 <@Wilpig> well I can't find one right now 20:24 < aestetix> ok 20:25 <@Wilpig> they will pop up in the tumblr feed occasionally and the only way you can spot them is a little dollar sign in the upper right hand corner 20:25 <@Wilpig> I think the one that got me was an animated pair of pants, and the one that got my boss was something with converse 20:28 <@Wilpig> aestetix: http://staff.tumblr.com/post/86351862310/year-one 20:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tumblr Staff (at staff.tumblr.com) 20:28 < aestetix> ok 20:28 < aestetix> where's the ad? 20:29 <@Wilpig> I still haven't found one. I got distracted 20:29 < aestetix> lol 20:34 <@Wilpig> how can this pop on your screen and you not get distracted? http://philamuseum.tumblr.com/post/86328742391/patrick-romanced-his-dreams-and-made-them-come 20:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Philadelphia Museum of Art | Our Story (at philamuseum.tumblr.com) 21:54 -!- benthemeek1 [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 21:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek1] by ChanServ 21:58 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @benthemeek 23:19 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 23:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 23:29 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 23:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 23:42 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] --- Log closed Fri May 23 00:00:03 2014