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00:22 <@Dagmar>  'I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber criminals and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the interview.'
00:22 <@Dagmar> BAHAHAHAH
00:24 < aestetix> tell them to do acid instead. it doesn't stay in your system as long
00:24 <@Dagmar> Well, it also doesn't show up on any reasonable drug test.
00:25 <@Dagmar> You can be *on* it and it won't turn up on urinalysis.
00:26 <@Dagmar> Two days after you've taken (a non-ludicrous dose) it's not even going to be detectable with a spectrographic analysis of your blood
00:26 <@Dagmar> ...because... fucking fantastically small amounts.
00:26 < aestetix> yep
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00:45 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: my ex's work tested for acid in all base drug tests
00:45 <@RangerZ> how 'well' it tests for it... I don't know
00:46 <@RangerZ> but if you include more 'tests' you can charge the people in rehab/drug court/etc more money and they have to pay to stay out of jail... or keep their jobs... etc
00:48 <@Dagmar> The _maximally effective_ dose is ~250 _micrograms_
00:48 <@Dagmar> That's about large enough for an angel to use as a seatcushion on the head of a pin
00:49 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hpU_Neg1KA
00:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: AMAZING STREET HACK - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:49 <@Dagmar> That's also about two hits of typical street blotter
00:49 <@Dagmar> It is _fantastically_ difficult to test for
00:49 <@RangerZ> watch_dogs viral marketing is going to just make people think 'hacking' is magic more and more
00:50 <@Dagmar> Odds are that unless they were doing a spectrographic analysis, the test was only going to detect if someone was frying so hard you could put your ear to someone's head and hear their brain frying
00:51 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Wow... That's kinda cool actually lol
00:52 <@RangerZ> yeah
00:52 <@Dagmar> The wrecks were truly over the top lol
00:53 <@RangerZ> yeah
00:53 <@Dagmar> I love how the chinese dude suddenly doesn't speak any English.  hehe
00:53 <@RangerZ> yeah... that was great
00:57 <@RangerZ> damn... the SCOTUS has put off the execution in Missouri , over fears of the new drugs not working, etc
00:57 <@RangerZ> that was due to start in ....5 minutes....
01:01 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIkkiyGKfA0
01:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Watch Dogs Parkour in Real Life in 4K - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:01 <@RangerZ> theres another one
01:02 <@RangerZ> unofficial, but such good source material concept, that I'm surprised there isn't more self-made semi-pro videos like that
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01:08 <@Dagmar> *grtuitous parkour roll*
01:08 <@Dagmar> A FIRE EXTINGUISHER?
01:08 <@Dagmar> SEriously?
01:08 <@Dagmar> That's their special effect when they're recording in 4K?
01:14 <@Dagmar> By the way... FRIDAYFRIDAYFRIDAY
01:16 <@RangerZ> whats friday?
01:16 <@Dagmar> XMEN
01:16 <@RangerZ> you setting fire to ITS?
01:16 <@RangerZ> ahh
01:17 <@RangerZ> if there is a godzilla/xmen double feature at one of the drive ins...
01:17 <@RangerZ> you know where I'll be
01:18 <@RangerZ> or Maleficent
01:18 <@RangerZ> ahh nvm... thats next fri
01:54 <@RangerZ> Shadow404: https://i.imgur.com/B8Icw6q.gif there ya go SFW
02:03 < aestetix> RangerZ: why does SCOTUS have authority over that?
02:04 <@RangerZ> cause it is the _supreme court_
02:04 <@RangerZ> duh
02:04 <@RangerZ> lol
02:04 < aestetix> Was it for a federal rime?
02:04 < aestetix> crime*
02:04 <@RangerZ> but really, because the act of taking a life is protected federally
02:05 <@RangerZ> including by states
02:05 <@RangerZ> states can only do it when it is 'fair'
02:05 < aestetix> why was it unfair? I haven't followed it at all
02:05 < aestetix> I just like to go "hey wait a second" whenever the federal level intervenes with the state
02:07 <@RangerZ> LONG story, but basically the drug manufacturer of the drug cocktails that we've used since the 70s has been closed in the US, and the only other place it is made is Italy and NL... and neither country is in favor of state-sanctioned murder... so the companies in those nations won't sell to the USA states for executions
02:08 <@RangerZ> so they have to experiment on new death row inmates and 'figure out' new drug combos
02:08 <@RangerZ> and so far... its not gone well
02:09 <@RangerZ> the 'problem' is that no doctor will help in the murder
02:09 <@RangerZ> so they only have prison guards with enough knowledge on how to put a line in... and they suck at that
02:11 < aestetix> I hope this guy doesn't fart: http://imgur.com/S8isSQr (nsfw)
02:49 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: I think they should switch to death penalty by dynamite.  Load up the prisoner with enough of an explosive charge to vaporize his body.  Quick and painless.
02:50 <@RangerZ> or death by -being sent to moon colony-
02:50 <@RangerZ> it worked for Australia
02:51 <@Corydon76-home> That's essentially asphixiation, and that's neither quick nor painless
02:51 <@RangerZ> nah, we'd set them up a real base
02:51 <@RangerZ> with water and air and all
02:51 <@RangerZ> just maybe some radiation poisoning
02:52 <@Corydon76-home> Carbon monoxide poisoning is not quick, but it is painless.
02:52 <@Corydon76-home> Radiation poisoning is also neither quick nor painless
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02:53 <@RangerZ> well, they can setup their own magnetic shields
02:53 <@Corydon76-home> Dynamite or carbon monoxide poisoning.  The latter is probably preferable
02:53 <@RangerZ> or just CO2 poisoning
02:54 <@RangerZ> they just go to sleep, and dry ice is put in the room with them
02:54 <@RangerZ> lol
02:54 <@RangerZ> OR
02:55 <@RangerZ> just not killing people
02:55 <@RangerZ> since most of the people who die are minorities, who couldn't afford better(more) lawyers
02:55 <@Corydon76-home> I agree that the death penalty is used too much, but there are still certain cases where I believe it's the best option
02:55 <@Corydon76-home> Sociopaths, mostly
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02:59 <@Corydon76-home> I also support the idea of using the sentence of death as being the most severe condemnation, even if the sentence is immediately commuted to life-in-prison
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03:36 <@RangerZ> https://imgur.com/gallery/zirUwCE
03:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: One Bandwith to Rule Them All - Imgur (at imgur.com)
07:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:09 <@Mirage> We have a summer intern that made me start wondering..what's the opposite of a "but'er face"?
09:10 <@brimstone> but'er butt
09:10 <@Mirage> nah..has to be all inclusive..or at least mostly.
09:11 <@brimstone> but'er body?
09:12 <@Mirage> she's got a cute face..but the rest is, um, extremely disproportionate
09:12 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: nice
09:12 <@Mirage> brimstone: yeah, but i've never heard that as a 'standard' classification
09:13 <@brimstone> http://butterbody.urbanup.com/1348074
09:14 <@Mirage> the definition doesn't really fit.  oh, well.
09:15 <@Mirage> She's definitely not overweight...she just has all the right curves in the wrong places..=)
09:25 <@Wilpig> is she something out of picasso's cubist period or something?
09:30 <@Mirage> Wilpig: I'd take a pic for you, but I don't wanna wind up in HR
09:31 <@Wilpig> if only you knew how many times i have had that thought.  lol
09:32 <@Dolemite> Every 15 minutes?
09:32 <@Wilpig> I could already hear the HR conversation now.  "but you dont' understand, the rule is pics or shens.  I had to have the pic to tell the story"
09:33 <@Wilpig> i really tried hard to get a copy of the video of tanya crashing on the scooter from facilities here
09:42 <@shapr> OH HAI PEEPS
09:43  * shapr hugs Shadow404 with great fervor
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09:47 <@Wilpig> the cleaning lasy here at the dc is always so happy.  it's disturbing
09:53 <@Dagmar>  Cleaning supply fumes
10:31 <@Shadow404> er, i have other theories
10:31 <@Shadow404> shapr: diaf
10:34  * shapr smothers the flames in hugs
10:34 <@Shadow404> heh
10:36 <@Shadow404> anyone got a suggestion for a program that can record a ppt file and video stream into a split window? instantly or merge after video recording, but i want the ppt and video to be split windows in a video file
10:37 <@Shadow404> i hope i explained that right
10:44  * shapr hops tiredly
10:55 <@Dagmar> dafuq
11:04 <@Shadow404> heh, from work: by behest of the VTI lords and ladies of the house verizon, thou art invited to an ice cream social
11:04 <@Shadow404> always tgought this place was a dictatorship
11:05 <@Shadow404> we all saw what happened at the red wedding which makes me hesitant
11:06 <@Shadow404> instead of mass executiins, ee get back to our desk to find a box with our personal stuff and a red slip...heh
11:13 <@Dagmar> wat
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11:34 <@Dagmar> good lord
11:37 <@Shadow404> u googled it?
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11:38 <@Dagmar> No.
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11:38 <@Dagmar> $user reports that "CAS authentication" from his servers isn't working and they think the network security people broke something in a firewall
11:38 <@Shadow404> red wedding is game of thrones reference
11:38 <@Dagmar> I have no idea what "CAS authentication" entails
11:38 <@Dagmar> I ask $user
11:38 <@Dagmar> No response, clearly they don't really even know
11:39 <@Dagmar> I try to attack the problem from the other end
11:39 <@Dagmar> Find sommeone who owns up to being responsible for it.  They evade the point as well about that port and hostnames are involved
11:39 <@Dagmar> Ten minutes later they tell me "Oh we're hearing that it doesn't work at the moment because of some firewall change"
11:39 <@Dagmar> What they heard was as a result of me asking around about it
11:40 <@Dagmar> ...but you know what... All the little checkboxes on my end now say "Waiting for reply from other group" so fuck it
11:41 <@Dagmar> There is no telling how long this problem can exist in this stuck state
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11:41 <@Dagmar> ...and I no longer give a fuck.
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11:44 <@Shadow404> this is vandy right?
11:44 <@Shadow404> so a while
11:44 < Goat21_HM> HELLLLOOOOO se2600!!
11:44 < Goat21_HM> Good Day friends!
11:44 < Goat21_HM> My AC just got fixed....i'm now typing to you with full erect nipples!
11:45 < Goat21_HM> *fully
11:45  * Goat21_HM waits for a Corydon response
11:47 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: It doesn't help that i'm also in the middle of self-eval paperwork hell as well.  That system screwed up and has no job description for me...and my job code just changed so apparently I filled in all the @#$@#$! blanks from the wrong job description criteria
11:47 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm starting to think pizza delivery is easy and doesn't involve this much paperwork
11:47 <@Dagmar> If you can't figure out how to eat the pizza, it ain't my fuckin' problem
11:53  * Dickie writes that down
11:56 < Goat21_HM> lol
11:56 < Goat21_HM> poor dagmar
12:14 <@Dagmar> That security auditor job is looking better by the day
12:14 <@Dagmar> It might be dull, but at least it's orderly.
12:18 < Goat21_HM> go fer it
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12:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Family guy - Alien [BG subs].avi - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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13:08 <@Wilpig> and the winner is... ME!
13:08 <@brimstone> \o/
13:08 <@Wilpig> my sister is officially knocked up.  I am the lone survivor
13:08 < aestetix> Wilpig: does she know who the father is?
13:08 <@brimstone> is there a father?
13:09 <@brimstone> maybe they just cloned her?
13:09 <@Dagmar> Let's just hope it wasn't Wilbur
13:09 <@brimstone> i'm sorry, that's really fucked up
13:10 <@Dagmar> Man I *love* doing online resizing of really massive (7Tb) filesystems
13:11  * aestetix notes Wilpig's lack of response
13:17 <@Bahhumbug> Well, I'm glad you won at the not getting knocked up game, Wilpig.  It might raise some eyebrows if you lost.
13:18 <@Dagmar> It would probably be good for some paid interviews with the tabloids tho
13:19 < aestetix> Dagmar: a spot right next to batkid
13:19 <@Dagmar> This is hilarious Haskell mockery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqvCNb7fKsg
13:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Programming - Why Haskell is Great - 10 minutes - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:19 <@Dagmar> Note the guy's desktop
13:26 <@Dagmar> set swedish = intersperse f
13:32 < aestetix> Wilpig: is your sister hot?
13:32 <@Dagmar> phttps://twitter.com/slfritchie/status/468302135457636352
13:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / slfritchie: Hand-crafted IP packets with ... (at twitter.com)
13:36 < aestetix> ok
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13:36 < aestetix> given Wilpig's lack of response, I have to conclude that his sister is ugly, and he knocked her up
13:56 <@Wilpig> aestetix: i'm sure it's her husband
13:57 <@Wilpig> my lack of response was due to me being afk getting lunch
13:57 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/transpassing
13:58 <@Wilpig> just to show that I am a supportive caring sibling I sent my sister a text "heard you're knocked up.  HAPPY BIRTHDAY!"
13:59 <@Wilpig> yesterday was her birthday 
13:59 < aestetix> almost all of them are MTF
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14:19 <@Mirage> Anyone have an imbarassing or incriminating pic of Dru that I can drop on the nashville2600.org site?
14:20 <@Mirage> er, embarassing.
14:23 <@Wilpig> vandy getting slashdotted today
14:24 <@Wilpig> Mirage: I probably have one somewhere but i'll have to dig.  surely someone has that picture of him and dag that gets pushed around anything someone says embarassing
14:29 <@Mirage> Yeah, but that's already out there.  I don't think posting that as the main page on the nashville2600.org site would make him move any quicker on sending me his ssh key
14:31 < aestetix> Mirage: the pic of him kissing Dagmar
14:32 <@Mirage> aestetix: um..Pig altready suggested that
14:33 < aestetix> oh
14:33 <@Wilpig> Mirage: if you're waiting on him I wouldn't fuckin' worry about it
14:34 <@Wilpig> it's on him to act
14:35 <@Bahhumbug> Didn't someone say that a family member was croaking?
14:35 <@Mirage> Wilpig: VU getting ./'d...  um..who cares.  I'm only dissapointed that I don't have a hidden webcam in Hill to watch the fun as Hogan and everyone freaks the fuck out,.
14:39 <@Dagmar> Wheres the /. article?
14:39 <@Wilpig> http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2014/05/liberating-devices/
14:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Liberating devices from their power cords | Research News @ Vanderbilt | Vanderbilt University (at news.vanderbilt.edu)
14:39 <@Mirage> Wilpig: I will admit, though, that I am rather curious as to whether Sean has rebuilt the news site, or if it's still my old one that I tweaked the hell out of.
14:39 <@Wilpig> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/05/21/1226241/step-toward-liberating-electronic-devices-from-their-power-cords
14:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Step Toward Liberating Electronic Devices From Their Power Cords - Slashdot (at hardware.slashdot.org)
14:39 <@Dagmar> Oh don't worry.  They're probably blaming us for it
14:40 <@Dagmar> Seeing as how I haven't gotten an email about load from the server yet, the problem is likely still the LTM throttling the shit out of things
14:40 <@Mirage> Dagmar: I just hit the link and refreshed it a couple times..seems pretty responsive
14:40 <@Wilpig> I didn't get through the first time
14:40 <@Wilpig> came up fine the next two times i hit it
14:40 <@Dagmar> Yes, but www is down.  lol
14:41 <@Mirage> I _know_ Sean 'refactored' that shit.
14:42 <@Wilpig> then there is this nonsense we mocked last night.  http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/05/21/1548256/att-hacker-weev-demands-one-bitcoin-for-each-hour-he-spent-in-jail
14:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: ATT Hacker 'weev' Demands One Bitcoin For Each Hour He Spent In Jail - Slashdot (at yro.slashdot.org)
14:43 <@Bahhumbug> [19:12:58] <@Bahhumbug> Fuck weev.  Fuck his restitution.  Fuck his bullshit post.
14:43 <@Wilpig> most of them are mocking him
14:43 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: so much anger.
14:43 <@Bahhumbug> Your "buddy" is a raving asshole.
14:43 <@Bahhumbug> So, again, fuck him.
14:43 <@Shadow404> diaf
14:44 <@Bahhumbug> diatf, thank you very much.
14:44 <@Dagmar> Note the name of the commpany involved is 'TRO LLC'
14:44 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: don't pull me into this.
14:44 <@Bahhumbug> You're already in it.  Next time, don't comment.
14:44 <@Dagmar> It's like Moriarty signing his name as Arty Penis
14:44 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I was just commenting on your anger.
14:45 < oddball> Ok... I remember some folks giving me grief over the general reaction of the gun community over the latest "smart" gun.  Here's something that won't win any gun owners over to the smart gun... the company that's making them has patented a way to deactivate the gun remotely.
14:45 < aestetix> https://turbotaxcpaselect.intuit.com/history-of-taxes/
14:45 < oddball> Everyone in this channel should know why that's a bad idea.
14:45 <@Wilpig> I hadn't seen that company name anyway, dag
14:46 <@shapr> VAINA
14:46 <@Dagmar> Yeah it's clear weev is delberately trolling the justice department
14:46 <@Dagmar> Also seems like he's trying to get them to hand over DPR's bitcoin wallets.  Heh
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15:23 <@Wilpig> I've suffiently dulled this drill bit and need another
15:28 <@Dagmar> Maybe you should try using a better drill bit this time
15:31 <@Wilpig> or just not try to drill steel, period.
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16:02 <@Wilpig> just a tidbit from my calendar...  damnit
16:02 <@Wilpig> Viacom Cocktail Party
16:02 <@Wilpig> Wed, May 21, 5:30pm – 7:30pm
16:15 < aestetix> so ebay is hacked
16:15 < aestetix> I gotta say
16:16 <@opticron> wow
16:16 < aestetix> I almost wonder what the point of having passwords is with all these hacks
16:16 <@Wilpig> took them a while for a good one
16:17 <@Wilpig> aestetix: how would you approach the problem differently and be easy on both sites and consumers?
16:17 < aestetix> the only actual answer I can see is using a password manager
16:17 <@Wilpig> the obvious answer to me is each person would have a private key/cert something but that would have to follow you around anywhere you used the net, phone, computer, etc.  that's a giant pita but it wouldn't be a password
16:17 < aestetix> and even that doen'st work well
16:18 < aestetix> yeah...
16:19 < aestetix> or having a split password, or a PIN for the password
16:19 < aestetix> and keeping the extra part on another server
16:19 <@Wilpig> you could do that now by splitting the users password hash in half and storing it in two places
16:19 <@Wilpig> that still wouldn't stop everything
16:19 < aestetix> right
16:20 < aestetix> as much as I hate to say it, this actually becomes a case in favor of federated logins
16:21 <@Wilpig> as long as the main point doesn't get cracked then that is a good answer
16:21 < aestetix> right
16:21 < aestetix> the problem with that is it's a single point of failure
16:27 < aestetix> Wilpig: does tumblr do anything like that?
16:30 < aestetix> man
16:30 < aestetix> this hot chick I know just sent an email to a list about how often she gets STD checks
16:30 < aestetix> which means she has a lot of sex
16:30 < aestetix> hmm
16:30 <@Wilpig> I don't know what they do with the auth stuff
16:32 < aestetix> well
16:32 < aestetix> there seems to be this whole login with facebook thing, that google, and yahoo are both competing against
16:33 < aestetix> what's even better is a group of hot girls talking about how much they love sex
16:57 <@Bahhumbug> Yahoo is still a "thing"?
16:57 <@Bahhumbug> (Nothing personal, Wilpig)
16:57 <@Wilpig> they pay me asshat
16:58 <@Wilpig> :D
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17:01 <@Bahhumbug> I really don't get their business model at this point.  I just don't see how they make money.
17:04 <@Wilpig> selling ads
17:04 <@RangerZ> selling user statistics too
17:05 <@Wilpig> and that
17:05 <@RangerZ> thats as valuable if not more than ads outright
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17:08 <@RangerZ> so I log in to pay my comcast bill
17:09 <@RangerZ> and I get an offer for 2 year contract to get 99$ cable TV w/ HBO and Showtime and 105MBps internet
17:09 <@RangerZ> looks like comcast is scared of cable-cutters like myself switching to google fiber when it comes (we passed the first phase of that btw, and are now in the 2nd)
17:12 <@Dickie> lol, contracts
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17:16 < aestetix> ok so
17:16 < aestetix> how old can you be to live with your parents and have it still be socially acceptable
17:16 <@RangerZ> pretty much Dickie
17:16 <@RangerZ> I'd actually do 1 year, because it'll take that long to get fiber from downtown to out where I live... at least
17:16 <@RangerZ> but nto 2
17:16 <@RangerZ> not*
17:18 <@RangerZ> right now, I can get phone + the 'real' cable channels (what they call 140+) for 12$ more a month, over internet, and I'm debating that, b/c all that for 99$ isn't too bad, I do like having cable TV, and the land line, but 'ehh' lol
17:19 <@RangerZ> sorry for 26$more a month, math is hard when tired, lol
17:19 < aestetix> is 25 too old? or can you be in your 30s?
17:22 <@RangerZ> aestetix: for what?
17:22 <@RangerZ> ohh
17:22 <@RangerZ> NOW
17:23 <@RangerZ> 40
17:23 < aestetix> lol
17:23 <@RangerZ> easily
17:23 < aestetix> really?
17:23 <@RangerZ> yeah, I stayed at home through undergrad (and I started late)
17:23 < aestetix> 40 seems old
17:23 <@RangerZ> which is why I said 40 is too old
17:24 < aestetix> so 39 is ok?
17:24 <@RangerZ> if I could be living at home right now, I would be (ignoring the fact that I just moved my mom out of her place, etc) but I'd be saving up money and paying off debts, etc.
17:24 < aestetix> heh
17:24 < aestetix> sounds like the moral of the story is to skip college (thus skip debts) and make your way as an entrepreneur
17:24 <@RangerZ> but... my mom treats me like an adult (sometimes) where as other people's parents can't do that
17:25 <@RangerZ> I've actually been thinking up new houses that would accommodate families living together but not "together" like we think
17:25 < aestetix> like group housing?
17:26 < dsmouse> aestetix: I think skipping college is a good idea; or at least it worked for me
17:26 <@RangerZ> << background in mechanical and architectural drawing (and was taught by grandfather who was engineer/architect, let alone in school too)
17:26 < aestetix> dsmouse: I tend to agree
17:26 < aestetix> I think college used to mean something positive
17:26 < aestetix> now it is a symbol of debt and unemployment
17:26 < dsmouse> once upon a time....
17:27 < dsmouse> and PhD.s in Gender Studies
17:27 <@RangerZ> aestetix: "skipping" school can work for some people, and isn't 'everything' it is cracked up to be... but it still has a lot of value... the problem is the costs now are out of whack
17:27 < aestetix> well
17:27 < aestetix> nothing wrong with gender studies, provided that your intent is not to use it to get an engineering job or something
17:27 < dsmouse> I'm poking at academia not gender studies
17:27 <@RangerZ> gender studies would actually be very helpful in socia-economic studies, etc
17:28 < aestetix> sure
17:28 <@RangerZ> but yeah
17:28 < dsmouse> but a PhD in it, all you can do is work for a university somewhere
17:28 <@RangerZ> nah
17:28 <@RangerZ> think tanks
17:28 <@RangerZ> or charities
17:28 < aestetix> A phd in the humanities means you've studied important questions, etc
17:28 <@RangerZ> most PhDs get hired out of academia now
17:28 < aestetix> well usually
17:29 <@RangerZ> especially computer related ones
17:29 <@RangerZ> by big companies in those fields (AI, networking, etc)
17:29 <@RangerZ> amazon, google, apple, FB, etc... all love to hire PhDs
17:29 < dsmouse> Should I have gone with a PhD in English Lit instead?
17:29 <@RangerZ> if you wanted to work for Oxford , yes
17:29 <@RangerZ> lol
17:30 < aestetix> dsmouse: I'm a big fan of english lit
17:30 <@RangerZ> but my friend has her English Lit degree from UC Berkeley
17:30 <@RangerZ> and she can only make 40k in san fran
17:30 <@RangerZ> lol
17:30 < aestetix> If more CS students studied it, we woudln't have nearly the issues in the bay area we do
17:30 <@RangerZ> aka... she's poor
17:30 < dsmouse> aestetix: sure, but it's not a profession :)
17:31 < aestetix> A lot of those courses are focused on "what happened when we did this?" and "what would happen if we did this?"
17:31 <@RangerZ> yes it is, textbook writers, reviewers, etc...
17:31 <@RangerZ> not a 'HUGE' industry employee wise, but there is always a field for any job
17:32 < aestetix> dsmouse: it likely will not get you a 9-5, but having good writers is important
17:32 <@RangerZ> she even worked for one of the textbook publishers in the bay area, just not a lot money in it 'for the area'
17:32 <@RangerZ> but 40k/yr in cleveland or pittsburgh, is enough to buy a house
17:32 < aestetix> I mean, we're dealing with this surveillance system shit in Oakland, and I'll tell you, all the sci-fi books come in handy right now
17:32 < aestetix> and questions of morality, etc
17:33 < dsmouse> I wonder how many authors have degrees in lit
17:33 <@RangerZ> a lot actually
17:33 < aestetix> dsmouse: also, I don't think a degree should be a career path, so much as studying a topic because you're interested in it
17:33 <@RangerZ> my undergrad holds a huge english lit competition every year, and a lot of the authors are english majors
17:34 <@RangerZ> << won 2nd place in poetry for HS division one year...
17:34 <@RangerZ> lol
17:34 < dsmouse> lol
17:34 < aestetix> IE you don't study english lit to get a job, you study it because you're interested in learning more about the area and discussing it
17:34 < dsmouse> (indeed)
17:34 < aestetix> The entire phenomenon of going to collge to get a job comes from the baby boomers
17:35 < dsmouse> sooo much wrong comes from them
17:35 < aestetix> I mean, it's not a bad idea, until fucking everyone tries to do it
17:35 <@RangerZ> and being that well versed in English written history, will inform you how to write good 'new' material... be it technical manuals... or text books..... or whatever
17:35 < aestetix> And you set up a social stigma against being a plumber or something
17:35 < dsmouse> that and "yoursepcialism"
17:36 <@RangerZ> its like "computer science", you don't learn to be a software engineer from a CS degree, its just something you're qualified to do if you decide to focus on that area yourself
17:36 < dsmouse> yea
17:37 < dsmouse> people that signed up for CS because that's where the money was ruined that too
17:37 <@RangerZ> you don't get an 'english' degree to be a book reviewer... just one of the fields you can go into
17:37 <@RangerZ> literally 'art history' is about the only degree that only has 2 options
17:37 <@RangerZ> museum or professor
17:37 < aestetix> When you have a culture where "success" is defined by how much money you make, it logically follows that an english degree will not bring you success.
17:37 <@RangerZ> everything else is building a skill set
17:38 < aestetix> But I think that says more about the culture than anything.
17:38 <@RangerZ> well when we don't pay k-12 teachers enough to live.... then yeah we have problems
17:38 <@RangerZ> 3~4x teacher pay
17:38 <@RangerZ> and make it a competitive job
17:38 <@RangerZ> and a LOT of things would just solve themselves
17:38 < dsmouse> to be fair, I know some k-12 teachers who didn't deserve to be paid enough to live
17:39 < aestetix> RangerZ: we'll be able to pay them better once we know how well they are doing, thanks to NCLB :)
17:39 <@RangerZ> yes, but they were only kept around b/c you, me and aestetix (god help us all) didn't want to be teachers b/c of the shit pay
17:39 < aestetix> yeah I should be a teacher
17:39 < dsmouse> that and I can't teach worth shit ;)
17:39 <@RangerZ> if I could get 60k/year teaching math and programming in HS, i would right now
17:39 < aestetix> Hey kids, today let's learn how to say vagina on irc
17:40 < dsmouse> \/@G1|\|@?
17:40 <@RangerZ> dsmouse: good, now sit in the corner
17:40 < dsmouse> awww.
17:40 <@RangerZ> facing away from the rest of the class
17:40 <@RangerZ> and no eating the glue
17:41 < dsmouse> No way! I remember what happened last time I left my butt facing y'all
17:41 <@RangerZ> http://steamcharts.com/search?q=watch_dogs mother fuckers... I hate how review copies are out
17:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Search - Steam Charts (at steamcharts.com)
17:41 <@RangerZ> but the reviews of the game don't come out until the game launches
17:41 <@RangerZ> such BS, I'm getting tired of that with game publishers
17:41 < dsmouse> I don't game much
17:42 <@RangerZ> I've actually been following the 'industry' part of it
17:42 <@RangerZ> b/c I might start making youtube videos
17:42 <@RangerZ> so I've been looking at how different people do it, and how to make it both informative and not boring
17:43 < dsmouse> so... a gaming vblog?
17:43 <@RangerZ> nah, I'm assisisting in 2 MOOCs, ~40,000 students each
17:43 < dsmouse> which?
17:44 <@RangerZ> and gaming has surprisingly high production value for youtube, so I've just been looking into they organize videos, and other stuff, plus I just 'like' gaming, so its interesting to me, etc.
17:44 <@RangerZ> https://www.coursera.org/course/posa
17:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Coursera.org (at www.coursera.org)
17:45 <@RangerZ> https://www.coursera.org/specialization/mobilecloudcomputing/2?utm_medium=courseDescripTop
17:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Coursera.org (at www.coursera.org)
17:45 <@RangerZ> actually just all 3 of those (unlisted on first one that already passed)
17:45 < dsmouse> hm
17:45 < dsmouse> I've done stanford's crypto course there
17:45 <@RangerZ> https://www.coursera.org/course/mobilecloud
17:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Coursera.org (at www.coursera.org)
17:45 <@RangerZ> POSA is a great class if you want to learn advanced software design patterns
17:46 < dsmouse> 5:45
17:46 < dsmouse> time for me to split
17:46 <@RangerZ> but if you don't code... kinda 'ehh'
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18:16 <@RangerZ> aestetix: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2014/05/dictator-not-found.html
18:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google Search Results: Dictator Not Found : The New Yorker (at www.newyorker.com)
18:17 <@RangerZ> 'right to be forgotten'
18:17 <@RangerZ> you should have a field day with that
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, that's going to happen.
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18:25 < aestetix> heh
18:25 < aestetix> http://imgur.com/gallery/uhjzW
18:25 < aestetix> another round of ugly tattoos
18:28 < aestetix> wow
18:28 < aestetix> http://www.bizarremag.com/tattoos-and-bodyart/tattoos/8686/matt_gone.html
18:28 < aestetix> “I could only do small amounts at a time, so I just kept the tattoo gun buzzing on my ass for as long as possible,” laughs Matt. “I wanted to do a proper job, so I used all the breath in my body to push my ass out and tattoo the little donut inside the hole. The ink actually reaches up about a quarter-inch inside.”
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18:30 <@RangerZ> just imagine if he gets arrested
18:30 <@RangerZ> police would beat him just for wasting their time photgraphing all that
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18:31 < aestetix> Maybe it would inspire them to get tattoos
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19:45 < aestetix> penis
19:51 < eryc> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/25541737/32-year-old-houston-man-sues-stripper
20:00 < aestetix> oh man
20:00 < aestetix> in case ebay wasn't enough
20:00 < aestetix> http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/21/us/hackers-public-utility/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
20:15 <@Wilpig> this is the best way to get windows games on osx.  http://store.steampowered.com/streaming?snr=1_41_4__42
20:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Steam In-Home Streaming (at store.steampowered.com)
20:15 <@Wilpig> that's just good shit right there
20:23 < aestetix> Hmm.
20:23 < aestetix> I wonder if I can get a custom made dildo
20:23 < aestetix> Whose face should go on it?
20:25 <@RangerZ> ware
20:25 <@RangerZ> or weev
20:26 < aestetix> I was thinking Corydon76-home
20:26 <@RangerZ> why? you can have him inside you easily enough come PN
20:26 < aestetix> And make a Skydog butt plug
20:26 <@RangerZ> https://imgur.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/K6ksGg0
20:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2 industries - Imgur (at imgur.com)
20:27 < aestetix> Is that the same Richard Wright who wrote Native Son?
20:27 <@RangerZ> no clue
20:40 <@Wilpig> bah.  my main desktop isn't showing up in the list of steam pcs 
21:12 < aestetix> What do you do if you're swimming in a public pool, and you see a cloud of brown goo suddenly appear around a 10 year old?
21:16 <@Wilpig> aestetix: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1400720235172.jpg
21:17 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: That's another candidate for removal from the gene pool.
21:18 <@Wilpig> agreed
21:18 < aestetix> And yet, that candidate will probably have many kids.
21:18 <@Wilpig> but I also think people like that need to be made into examples for others
21:19 <@Bahhumbug> How about starting with removing her ability to breed?
21:20 <@Wilpig> I cannot get this steam in-home-streaming to work
21:20 <@Wilpig> bah!
21:22 <@Wilpig> lol http://i.4cdn.org/b/1400721715829.jpg
21:24 < aestetix> I wonder if Julian Assange has had sex since he's been in the embassy
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21:48 <@Shadow404> tmobile is on my last nerve
21:48 <@Shadow404> gonna take 24hr to 14 days per them to get unlock code from manufacturer
21:48 <@Shadow404> i bet they get the code and dont forward it to persuade you to not to switch when your ready
21:49 <@Shadow404> delay tactic
21:53 < aestetix> Sadly tmobile is the only provider that's not evil
21:54 <@Shadow404> their phone plans are way to expensive for what i use
21:54 <@Shadow404> im switching to straight talk for a few months to try them out
21:54 <@Shadow404> from what i can see, i can save about $30 a month, which over time adds up
21:54 <@Shadow404> and get pretty much what i have now
21:55 <@Shadow404> i rarely go over 2gb on the phone, so i dont need 5gb
21:55 <@Shadow404> and their cheaper plan at tmobile is a rip off still
21:55 <@Bahhumbug> _All_ mobile plans are a rip off.
21:55 <@Bahhumbug> The profit margins are simply stupid.
21:56 < aestetix> They don't force you into a contract though
21:56 <@Bahhumbug> Can't you get a nice discount from Verizon?
21:56 < aestetix> unlike Verizon
21:56 <@Bahhumbug> I've got verizon.  I've never once had a problem in the 10 or so years I've been with 'em.
21:57 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: the discount id receive is still more than i pay at tmobile for a relative plan
21:57 <@Shadow404> kinda sad
21:59 <@Bahhumbug> What % do they knock off for being an emp?
21:59 <@Bahhumbug> My wife's got a 14% discount for being a county employee.
21:59 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm, 11%?  Might be 11%.
22:02 <@Shadow404> 11
22:03 <@Shadow404> er, id have to check, but i dont feel like pulling my laptop out right now
22:03 <@Shadow404> 11 sounds about right
22:03 <@Shadow404> but still, its like $90 for a relative plan to what i have right now
22:03 <@Shadow404> or $45 on straight talk
22:03 <@Bahhumbug> That's lame.  You'd think VZN emps would have a better deal than random county employees.
22:04 <@Shadow404> yep, you would
22:04 <@Shadow404> but again, i could be wrong, ill update you tomorrow
22:04 <@Shadow404> the discount still isnt worth the switch though
22:04 <@Shadow404> especially since id have to get a new phone
22:04 <@Shadow404> gsm to cdma
22:08  * Bahhumbug nods
22:10 < aestetix> oh boy
22:10 < aestetix> So there is this woman I met last time I was in NYC
22:10 <@Shadow404> vagina?
22:10 < aestetix> She works for Google, and claims to have started OWS. She believes Google should just take over the US government.
22:10 < aestetix> That was.... something else.
22:10 < aestetix> And then I saw this.
22:10 < aestetix> http://9to5google.com/2014/03/20/occupy-wall-street-co-founder-appoint-eric-schmidt-ceo-of-america/
22:12 <@SuMo_D> Hey guys, I'm trying to get the code for a lasertag setup but I think the links are broken
22:12 <@SuMo_D> http://www.muonics.net/blog/index.php?postid=26
22:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Theodore Watson - Laser Tag 2.0 - How To - Download and Source Code (at www.muonics.net)
22:12 <@SuMo_D> can somebody check and see if its not just me? - it just redirects to the OF website
22:19 <@Bahhumbug> Broken.
22:22 < aestetix> http://thebaffler.com/blog/2014/05/mouthbreathing_machiavellis
22:22 < aestetix> god that headline is awesome
22:22 < aestetix> "Mouthbreathing Machiavellis Dream Of A Silicon Reich "
22:24 <@SuMo_D> Thanks Bahumbug
22:24 <@Bahhumbug> This is the same "tech industry" that couldn't be collectively fucked to review, arguably, the most important piece of infrastructure software around?
22:24 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks, but no.  I'll stick with our broken government.
22:24 <@Bahhumbug> SuMo_D: Anytime :)
22:25 < aestetix> yep
22:25 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: at least our government in theory lets us have oversight and regulation
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23:15 < eryc> SuMo_D_: http://forum.openframeworks.cc/t/how-to-download-l-a-s-e-r-tag-application/14748/4
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