--- Log opened Thu May 15 00:00:56 2014 00:25 <@Dagmar> http://www.wtvf.com/story/25520679/20k-worth-of-marijuana-seized-during-traffic-stop-in-rutherford-co 00:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: $20K Worth Of Marijuana Seized During Traffic Stop In Rutherford - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports (at www.wtvf.com) 00:25 <@Dagmar> ~$31 a quarter 00:31 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 00:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 00:36 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:42 -!- klixa_ [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 00:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa_] by ChanServ 00:42 -!- klixa_ [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13 <@oddball> Dagmar: You around? Got a quick camera phone question. 01:14 <@Dagmar> Ask 01:15 <@oddball> My mom's iPhone has started to have a fairly serious green color shift. Quick google search shows a lot of folks have had this issue, but no real solution. I know you mentioned purple colorshift could be heat issues. Ever heard of problems causing green? 01:15 <@oddball> (best I could find was some folks thinking it might be software related.) 01:16 <@Dagmar> Take a photo of darkness. 01:17 <@oddball> Ah, if the green shows up, it's a damaged lens? 01:17 <@Dagmar> Gaussian blur a few times in gimp to get rid of the sparkles, if the green tint is present and _even_ it's software 01:17 <@Dagmar> If it's uneven (worse/better in the middle/edges) then it's probably the camera failing 01:17 <@oddball> ahhh... gotcha. 01:18 <@oddball> Thanks. Will do. 01:18 <@Dagmar> De nada 01:34 <@oddball> I.. wut? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPNVhGbw_Sg 01:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: ABCs Galavant - Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 03:00 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 03:08 <@NotLarry> ok getting 6.82GB/min transfer rate. 03:16 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@192.249.59.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@192.249.59.215] has joined #se2600 03:41 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 03:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 03:46 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:53 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:06 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:24 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:29 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 05:20 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: http://www.angryduck.com/pics/political_correctness_is_like.htm 05:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: political correctness is like (at www.angryduck.com) 05:38 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 05:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 05:43 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:48 <@aestetix> Bahhumbug: yep 06:12 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hczwwkqujjospwky] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:42 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:06 <@Wilpig> no u 08:15 -!- aestetix [~aestetix@173.203.197.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:39 <@Wilpig> Whoa. did not see that coming 08:39 <@Wilpig> just watched legit from last night and they ended it with Jim Jeffries getting shot in a parking lot. 09:14 -!- aestetix [~aestetix@173.203.197.247] has joined #se2600 09:14 < aestetix> ugh 09:15 < aestetix> I wonder if we'd have DRM in firefox if Eich hadn't been ousted by the mob 09:17 <@Corydon76-home> lol. Way to pull together two completely unrelated events 09:20 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: if as CEO he would have fought against it... 09:21 <@Corydon76-home> The market demands that Firefox put DRM-enabling technology into the browser 09:21 < aestetix> Who is the market? 09:21 <@Corydon76-home> Consumers, dude 09:22 < aestetix> And not massive media companies that want DRM? 09:23 <@Corydon76-home> Consumers who would avoid using Firefox if it didn't work for their Netflix or other media streaming 09:23 <@Corydon76-home> In the end, it's the consumers who choose 09:23 < aestetix> But firefox has been around for a long time 09:23 <@Corydon76-home> So was Netscape 09:23 < aestetix> Without DRM, that is. 09:24 < aestetix> So basically, tragedy of the commons. 09:24 <@Corydon76-home> Uh, not the classic tragedy of the commons 09:25 <@Corydon76-home> More like keeping up with the joneses 09:25 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure Vonnegut had a short story about this topic :) 09:25 < aestetix> (keeping up with the joneses) 09:26 <@Wilpig> in the end the consumers have had DRM forced upon them, the media creators are demanding it and forcing software manufacturers to comply 09:26 < aestetix> Uh 09:26 < aestetix> I'd say the media distributors 09:26 <@Wilpig> actually that's not right 09:26 <@Wilpig> yes the distributors 09:27 <@Wilpig> we've seen cases of people like louis c.k. that have made their own shit, put it on the web drm free and made a killing directly in the face of what the current norm is 09:27 <@Corydon76-home> The creators are forcing it on the distributors 09:27 < aestetix> So basically, rather than being angry at Mozilla, it makes sense to be angry at MGM/Fox/etc 09:27 <@Wilpig> the distributers are forcing it because they want the profit for moving it 09:28 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I wish they would embrace the grateful dead model 09:28 <@Wilpig> https://buy.louisck.net/ 09:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: LouisCK.net (at buy.louisck.net) 09:28 <@Corydon76-home> Take enough drugs to kill yourself? 09:28 < aestetix> hahaha 09:28 < aestetix> No, all their music was free, but the concerts you had to pay for 09:29 <@Wilpig> $5, no drm <-- that's damn near free 09:29 < aestetix> I talked with someone at Mozilla actually this past monday 09:29 < aestetix> And basically said point blank I'd be willing to pay $10-20 a month to not have DRM 09:29 < aestetix> And that money would go to Mozilla 09:30 <@Corydon76-home> Well, you're in luck, because there won't be DRM in Mozilla as distributed, even in the future 09:30 < aestetix> yay 09:30 < aestetix> Where does teh DRM come into play? 09:31 <@Corydon76-home> The code they're adding is still open source. It downloads a plugin from Adobe on the fly and runs it in a sandbox 09:31 <@Corydon76-home> That's the DRM code 09:32 < aestetix> Such as.... what's it called 09:32 < aestetix> The microsoft thing 09:32 < aestetix> silverlight 09:33 < aestetix> How does Adobe come into this? 09:33 <@Wilpig> flash? shockwave? pdf? 09:38 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:38 < aestetix> so books DRM 09:38 < aestetix> ebooks* 09:41 <@Corydon76-home> Doesn't matter who the provider of the DRM is. It's still loaded on the fly and run in a sandbox 09:43 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:49 < aestetix> that was delightful 10:50 < aestetix> the garbage truck messed up and dumped a whole dumpster full of stuff 10:54 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: correct me if I'm wrong here... the actual issue seems to be that all these companies are recognizing that everything goes through the browser now, and are pushing their old standards in? 10:54 < aestetix> IE Netflix DRM is the new region coding for DVDs 10:55 <@Corydon76-home> The actual issue is that media companies think that piracy indicates lost revenue. 10:56 < aestetix> Well, there is that too. 10:56 < aestetix> I"m just reading a bunch of comments that say w3c is the real idiot here. 10:56 <@Corydon76-home> Which it does, if the piracy is paid for. But most piracy on the Internet isn't. 10:56 <@Dolemite> DRM is mainly a holdout for the few industries that have teenagers as their largest audience. 10:56 < aestetix> But yeah. I thought, for example, that MS loves piracy 10:56 <@Wilpig> that's assuming that everytime someone gets a copy of that file they wrongly assume it would have been a sale to begin with 10:56 < aestetix> Since pirated copies of Windows all over the place means that companies need to build software for Windows 10:56 <@Dolemite> Louis CK made a killing because his audience is adults who don't mind paying for something they see value in 10:57 <@Wilpig> I say teenagers would gladly pay for shit as long as it is easy 10:57 <@Wilpig> look at steam, itunes, etc 10:57 < aestetix> Wilpig: as proven by the app store 10:57 < aestetix> But teenagers only pay for things that are like a dollar 10:57 <@Wilpig> and they would buy movies if they were $5 10:57 <@Wilpig> below $10 is still an implulse purchase decision 10:58 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: Nobody really wants to buy (and store) movies. You do it because the rental fees would otherwise be more expensive 10:59 <@Wilpig> studios thinking that you should pay $30 to watch a movie on your phone, another $30 to watch it on your tv, another $30 for another device, is the problem 10:59 <@Wilpig> if you have a service like itunes where you buy once and you have it in your digital library for life you don't have to store them 10:59 <@Corydon76-home> Well, but you're still storing it; it's just a bit easier 10:59 <@Wilpig> as long as they stay relevant they still have a revenue stream to pay for the storage fees, etc 11:00 <@Dagmar> dafuq is with slashdot today 11:00 <@Wilpig> I store because i'm a data packrat, if I am gonna watch something again why waste the bandwidth to stream it again 11:00 <@Corydon76-home> the movie is downloaded to your drive when you watch it, and it stays there until you wipe your drive 11:00 <@Dagmar> They have an article on a Comcast VP "predicting" usage caps of 300Gb coming in the next five years 11:01 <@Dagmar> No one seems to realize they're already here 11:01 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: 500GB 11:01 <@Corydon76-home> They're only in limited markets 11:01 <@Dagmar> "The cap would start at 300 GB and cost the customer subscriber an extra 10 USD for 50 GB." 11:01 <@Dagmar> ...and I can assure you it's fucking 300Gb here. 11:01 <@Corydon76-home> Comcast is predicting that they'll roll it out to all of their territories by the end of 5 years 11:01 < aestetix> Wilpig: I buy games for $5-10 a lot 11:02 <@Dagmar> Unless they _raised it_ since the last time they were bothering me about it 11:02 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Right, but after 5 years, Comcast expects it to be at 500GB 11:02 <@Dagmar> WHat does that matter? 11:02 <@Corydon76-home> It doesn't matter for us, since we're one of the test markets where they already have the cap 11:03 <@Dagmar> Nothing here says 500gb: http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/14/comcast-wants-to-put-data-caps-on-all-customers-within-5-years/ 11:03 * brimstone went business 11:07 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: this is why the Aereo case is a big deal, right? 11:08 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/05/comcast-plans-data-caps-for-all-customers-in-5-years-could-be-500gb/ 11:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comcast plans data caps for all customers in 5 years, could be 500GB | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) 11:10 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Uh, have you not paid attention to that case at all? 11:10 < aestetix> I have 11:10 < aestetix> I listened to the hearing 11:11 <@Corydon76-home> Aereo is a big deal because they're trying to avoid paying retransmission fees 11:14 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: That has nothing to do with the article on Slashdot I was talking about. _NOthing_. 11:20 <@Dagmar> Nor do I even give a fuck about it 11:20 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, yes. Because when it comes to news, Slashdot is the arbiter of truth. 11:21 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 11:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 11:27 <@Dagmar> Whatever. Stop being a pedant. 11:28 <@Corydon76-home> Who's being pedantic in requiring that we only look at a single site's reporting of a story, instead of talking about the entire news story? 11:29 <@Dagmar> You are. 11:29 <@Dagmar> \I was commenting on the fact that no one on Slashdot seems to have noticed the "predicted" caps are already in place in most of their markets 11:30 <@Dagmar> You wanted to correct the value I cited. 11:30 <@Dagmar> The value I cited was _already correct_ 11:31 <@Corydon76-home> If the predicted caps were in place in most of their markets, why would it take 5 years for them to implement caps in the remainder of them? 11:32 <@Corydon76-home> We're a _test_ market. The majority of Comcast's customers don't yet have usage caps. 11:33 <@Corydon76-home> And you cited 300GB as being the cap at the end of 5 years, which is not what was said. 11:38 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:42 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:48 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Quit: benthemeek] 11:49 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 11:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 11:55 <@Wilpig> f/w 15 11:55 <@Wilpig> bah 11:57 <@Wilpig> anyone else see the irony in this? http://staticsitegenerators.net/ 12:04 -!- giezr [~giezr@184.75.212.2] has joined #se2600 12:27 <@shapr> BAD MORNING 12:27 <@shapr> FUCK EVERYBODY 12:30 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: application error? 12:31 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: only if you use lube 12:32 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: they generate static sites, but aren't using one themselves 12:32 <@Wilpig> not for their primary site at least 12:33 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: http://www.lubezilla.com/pjur-analyse-me-3-4-oz-100-ml.html 12:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: LubeZilla Pjur Analyse Me! Silicone Based Anal Lubricant 3.4 oz / 100 ml (at www.lubezilla.com) 12:47 < aestetix> shapr: you sat to take a poo but the toilet seat was up? 12:55 <@Wilpig> damn dc is putting me to sleep 12:56 <@shapr> Wilpig: white noise from the fans is too calming? 12:57 <@Wilpig> that and i'm sitting on the edge of a hot aisle so i'm warm too 13:01 -!- ZeroMinuS [~zerominus@68.208.149.253] has joined #se2600 13:18 < aestetix> man 13:18 < aestetix> I look at a lot of wierd stuff online 13:18 < aestetix> but for some reason I can't watch videos of people breaking their bones 13:19 < aestetix> Wilpig: do some cocaine 13:23 <@benthemeek> Wilpig: Every DC I have ever been in for more than a couple of min has me yawning. Something about the noise. 13:25 * Dolemite hands benthemeek some ear plugs 13:26 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: That's what caffeine is for 13:27 <@Corydon76-home> I'm constantly sitting next to a tower of rack mount machines with their fans humming 13:28 < aestetix> also, vagina 13:28 <@Corydon76-home> No, I'm not sitting next to vagina 13:29 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 13:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 13:32 <@benthemeek> the temperature seems to be a factor too. They are all just cool enough that I want to wear long sleves ror a light jacket... and then ZZZZZZZZ 13:40 <@oddball> benthemeek: Yeah... you've got a room full of white noise generators. 13:40 <@Corydon76-home> Right, the key is to keep moving in the DC, so movement keeps you warm. If sleepiness makes you stop, the cold wakes you back up 13:41 <@oddball> While I was working at the Vandy NOC and our stations were still in with the servers, I had to consume large quantities of caffine to stop from nodding off. 13:42 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Good excuse. ;-) 13:43 <@oddball> Well, that and playing ALL the flash games. :p 13:44 <@Corydon76-home> I like loud music. There was a neat app that comes with Asterisk called muted that reduces the volume to 20% when a phone is ringing, then raises it back up to full after hangup 13:51 <@oddball> Of course, then we had to hold the illusion that we were actually doing work, so we'd get chastized ever-so-often for playing flash games. 13:52 <@shapr> I've never worked at a NOC, but I'm okay with that. 13:52 <@shapr> aestetix: vaina 13:52 <@oddball> shapr: It's decent pay, but is mind-numbingly boring. 13:52 <@shapr> yeah, I couldn't handle that 13:53 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: isn't that what side projects are for? 13:53 <@oddball> yep 13:53 <@oddball> and books 13:53 <@oddball> and movies. 13:54 <@oddball> Honestly, my biggest issue (and what made me leave) was the 12.5 hour workdays starting at midnight. 13:54 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, I can understand that. 13:55 <@oddball> Ensured that I was working under permenant sleep deprivation, and I never really got to do anything on my days off other than sleep. 13:56 <@shapr> I had that kind of job at Digium, didn't much enjoy it. 13:57 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: Tech support, wasn't it? 13:57 <@shapr> yup 13:57 <@shapr> The day job part was fine, I enjoyed it. 13:57 <@Corydon76-home> I'm surprised you didn't try to escalate to the second floor at Digium 13:57 <@shapr> 7pm to 7am shifts made me hate everyone. 13:58 <@shapr> Corydon76-home: I considered it, and they probably would have hired me, even with my lack of C skills. 13:58 <@shapr> but I wanted to finish my bachelor's degree 13:58 <@Corydon76-home> Well, IT is also second floor 13:58 <@Corydon76-home> and QA 13:58 <@shapr> Digium doesn't have an IT department anymore, got folded into dev 13:59 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, really? 13:59 <@shapr> Yeah, I heard that a few weeks back from one of the former IT guys who's now part of dev. 13:59 <@oddball> shapr: See... at least on your days off, with a 7pm-7am shift, you're awake about the time people are wanting to hang out at night. 14:00 <@oddball> midnight-noon means you're waking up about the time people are heading to bed. 14:00 <@shapr> I decided I'd rather work days whatever that cost me. 14:00 <@oddball> Yeah... I took a pay hit to go somewhere else. 14:00 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: you remember the one outage at Digium that stopped the company cold? 14:00 <@shapr> Yup 14:01 <@shapr> no internet, no company 14:01 <@Corydon76-home> Nope, that wasn't it 14:01 <@Corydon76-home> Jabber 14:01 <@Corydon76-home> Everybody there uses Jabber to communicate. When the Jabber server went offline, people panicked 14:02 <@shapr> Here we use hipchat, it's way better. 14:02 <@shapr> I'm amazed that the guys who make JIRA can make something that doesn't suck. 14:02 <@Corydon76-home> Peer-to-peer? 14:02 <@shapr> Nah, it's a paid jabber/google hangouts equivalent 14:02 <@shapr> with lots more features 14:03 <@Corydon76-home> Ah. Still, if the server goes down, you're fucked 14:03 <@shapr> yup 14:03 <@Corydon76-home> If a peer-to-peer chat client existed and was relatively efficient on the network... 14:04 <@Corydon76-home> Unfortunately, a lot of them do a ton of broadcast traffic and don't scale well 14:04 <@shapr> The big problem is that IP doesn't do multicast well. 14:04 <@shapr> I still haven't come up with a good fix for that either. 14:05 <@shapr> Corydon76-home: probably makes more sense to base a p2p chat client on something like mnesia 14:05 <@shapr> that is, closer to the IRC network approach of clients connecting to servers, and servers peering with each other. 14:05 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, there's a ton of chat clients that are essentially built on top of IRC 14:06 <@shapr> kinda sad, IRC is a crappy protocol 14:06 <@shapr> 512 chars, no encoding... GO! 14:06 <@Corydon76-home> Tinychat, for example, uses IRC, though it hides everything from you 14:06 <@shapr> I went to visit the very first IRC server in Oulu once. 14:07 <@Corydon76-home> Encoding is the responsibility of the end nodes, in any case 14:07 <@Corydon76-home> If everybody agreed to use UTF-8, it would work fine 14:08 <@shapr> I'll agree to that :-P 14:10 <@Corydon76-home> You mean because you have characters in your name that don't appear on your keyboard? ;-) 14:30 <@Corydon76-home> https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10289905_947976858565101_4590348660406411006_n.jpg SFW 14:34 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-home: And very true 14:36 <@Corydon76-home> Isn't Dementia a Rams fan? 14:37 <@Dolemite> Yes, that's her home town 14:37 <@Corydon76-home> I suppose she could be a Bears fan, now. 14:49 <@Dolemite> She's not really a football fan from what I gather 14:49 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 14:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 14:50 <@shapr> howdy klixa, where have your travels led you this day? 14:51 <@klixa> shapr: i am in the bay..the edge of it 14:51 <@shapr> SF bay area? 14:51 <@klixa> yeah 14:51 <@shapr> cool! 14:51 <@shapr> I've never been there. 14:51 <@klixa> come visit :D 14:52 <@Dolemite> I'm coming to visit in June, but I think you said you'd be gone by then 14:52 <@Dolemite> Moved in with wilpig or something like that 14:53 <@klixa> ha 14:53 <@klixa> speaking of Wilpig, i smoked a pork shoulder last night 14:56 <@shapr> I'm thinking of moving closer to Huntsville, but that's about all the moving I'm doing at the moment. 14:56 <@shapr> On the other hand, I am very likely moving somewhere far away in December. 14:59 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-43-6.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 14:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 14:59 < aestetix> penis 14:59 <@shapr> vaina 14:59 <@shapr> Anyone recommend a good geoip service? 15:03 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: doesn't everybody use MaxMind? 15:04 <@Corydon76-home> That's the source of the geoip libraries in Linux/BSD 15:05 <@shapr> Not everyone uses it, but Google searches imply it's the best option so far. 15:05 <@shapr> I figured I'd ask around. 15:06 <@Corydon76-home> I think their strategy of making their libraries widely available, integrated, and providing a "lite" version of their database for local querying was a very useful method of ensuring everybody used it 15:08 <@Corydon76-home> There are PHP and Perl modules that directly use libgeoip, which queries the maxmind database 15:09 <@Mirage> "the average house in Sacramento is selling for $237,000, compared to $909,000 in San Francisco"...wtf..is minimum wage out there like $200k/yr? 15:09 <@Corydon76-home> Pretty much every language, actually: https://github.com/maxmind/ 15:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: MaxMind ยท GitHub (at github.com) 15:10 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: most people rent, not own 15:10 <@Corydon76-home> Only about 25% of the SF residents own their own homes 15:10 < aestetix> Yep. 15:10 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: yeah..and your avg monthly rent is higher than a mortgage payment 15:10 <@Corydon76-home> Higher than a mortgage payment in Tennessee, yes 15:11 < aestetix> If you have a mortgage, can the bank raise it? 15:11 <@Corydon76-home> But people out there aren't exactly known for having the common sense to realize that if the CoL is that high, you're better off living in Tennessee 15:11 <@Mirage> who in the hell is going to rent out a house for less than the monthly mortgage payment? that's just stupid. 15:11 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: raise what? 15:11 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: they come here for the image that's been sold to them. 15:12 < aestetix> Raise your mortgage payment. 15:12 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you realize it's a contract, right? 15:12 < aestetix> Although that would just pay off your mortgage more quickly. 15:12 < aestetix> Yes. 15:12 <@Mirage> aestetix: unless you went for a variable rate loan, the only fluctuation you should really see is from the taxes. 15:12 <@Corydon76-home> and contracts have specific clauses in them, right? 15:12 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: and insurance 15:12 <@Mirage> yeah 15:13 < aestetix> Which is also why most of the people who come here have nothing to talk about but their stupid startups. 15:13 < aestetix> They have been sold a dream and want to live it. 15:13 <@Corydon76-home> They'd be better off starting their businesses where they lived before 15:13 < aestetix> And that's the founders, which is the higher tier. 15:13 < aestetix> The lower tier are the twitter employees who moved here to work for a company started by one of those founders. 15:14 < aestetix> At least the founders have status and equity. Most employees work nonstop and then at events they just gloat about where they work. 15:14 < aestetix> Google employees are also notorious for this. 15:14 <@Corydon76-home> I'm honestly surprised at a lot of those high-tech companies who haven't realized they're wasting massive amounts of money being situated in Silicon Valley, not to mention making it really easy for other companies to poach their employees 15:15 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: it's because it's living the dream. 15:15 < aestetix> Logically and economically, it makes no sense. 15:15 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Remind me where you grew up and where you live now? 15:16 < aestetix> Heh. "grew up" doesn't work well for me, but I've lived in the midwest, and the east coast. 15:16 <@Corydon76-home> Why, where'd you grow up? 15:16 < aestetix> I was born in kentucky, lived for many years in missouri and surrounding states 15:17 <@Corydon76-home> and where are you living now? 15:17 < aestetix> bay area 15:17 < aestetix> Although I didn't come here because of a job or anything. 15:17 <@Corydon76-home> See, when I say it makes no sense, being in Tennessee, that makes sense. When you say it, living in the Bay area, it makes none. 15:18 < aestetix> Well, it depends. 15:18 < aestetix> I came here before the boom, and I live in a rent controlled apartment. 15:18 < aestetix> Although the general cost of living is getting so high that I'm looking at moving away. 15:18 <@Mirage> and you pay how much for how many sq ft? 15:18 < aestetix> Because, as you said, it's fucking stupid. 15:18 <@Corydon76-home> Rent controls are why SF is so screwed up 15:19 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: rent skyrocketed during the first dotcom rush and never went down. 15:19 <@Corydon76-home> There's a ton of people living there that if they were paying market rates, they couldn't afford to live there 15:19 < aestetix> That is correct. 15:19 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Yes, rent did go down, just not to reasonable levels 15:19 < aestetix> Ok, that's fair. 15:19 < aestetix> But now it's at insane levels. 15:20 < aestetix> As in, the medium rent I think triped in the last four years. 15:20 < aestetix> tripled* 15:20 <@Corydon76-home> I'd tell you to move to Nashville, but I doubt this town could satiate your sexual appetite 15:20 < aestetix> hahah 15:20 < aestetix> Well, there are a number of reasons I'm looking to move away. 15:21 < aestetix> All the artists and such are moving away because they can't afford it. 15:21 < aestetix> Or, they have abandoned being artists and gotten tech jobs because it's the only way they can afford to stay here. 15:21 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Tennessee has NO personal income tax. Think about that for a second or two. 15:21 < aestetix> The only issue I have with Nashville is that I don't like cars. 15:21 <@Corydon76-home> You can use the MTA 15:21 < aestetix> Although I do find the accent quite charming. 15:22 <@Dolemite> Go back to DC 15:22 <@Dolemite> ride the Metro everywhere 15:22 < aestetix> Dolemite: I've debated that. 15:22 < aestetix> Or NYC. 15:22 < aestetix> It's really sad that NYC has a lower cost of living than SF right now. 15:23 <@Dolemite> Or if you want warm weather, Miami at least has a pretty decent bus system 15:23 < aestetix> Heh. 15:23 < aestetix> The other thing I like about the south.... I imagine there aren't as many tone police there. 15:23 <@Mirage> http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2014/03/27/how-much-to-afford-a-1-bedroom-apartment-in-san-francisco/ 15:24 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-living-calculator.aspx 15:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cost of Living comparison calculator (at www.bankrate.com) 15:24 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: or are you just trying to get me to move to Nashville? :p 15:24 <@Corydon76-home> If you made $100k in SF, equivalent salary in Nashville would be $56k 15:24 <@Mirage> According to the diagram at the bottom, there's not a huge difference between NY and CA as far as CoL goes. 15:24 < aestetix> Jesus. 15:24 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I don't care one way or the other 15:24 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25 < aestetix> So if I get a bay area salary and live in nashville, I'm rolling. 15:25 <@Corydon76-home> Yep 15:25 <@Dolemite> aestetix: You could move to Nashville and bring some new blood to Nashville 2600 that it's crazy pants 15:26 <@Mirage> That's true most places that arn't in the New England States, CA, or Hawaii 15:26 < aestetix> what's crazy pants? 15:26 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Ask wilpig 15:26 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 15:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 15:26 <@Dolemite> klixa knows about crazy pants 15:26 < aestetix> btw 15:26 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 15:27 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Get off my lawn 15:27 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, for that matter, you could move to Oak Ridge and work for Dolemite. 15:27 * SuMo_D tie dyes some pants for everyone.... crazy pants for all 15:27 <@klixa> i tie dyed the shirts already 15:27 <@klixa> the unmatching ones 15:28 <@SuMo_D> :) 15:28 <@Corydon76-home> My good news this week is that I only have 10 months until a massive increase in income. 15:28 <@klixa> this kid makes me feel like an underachiever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3FLjb6CBqw 15:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Romanian Folk Dances, No.1 Stick game, by Bela Bartok - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 15:28 <@klixa> :/ 15:28 <@Wilpig> aestetix knows who crazy pants is 15:28 < aestetix> wait 15:28 <@Wilpig> she fuckin' hated him 15:28 < aestetix> is crazy pants whatshername? 15:28 < aestetix> hahahaha 15:29 <@Corydon76-home> Amber Adams 15:29 < aestetix> god 15:29 <@Corydon76-home> Two more invocations and she shows up 15:29 < aestetix> You're putting her photo on the phreaknic badge, right? 15:29 <@Wilpig> no idea what will be on a badge 15:30 < aestetix> a picture of a vagina 15:31 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, the badges this year will be shaped like a penis 15:31 <@Wilpig> pretty sure even thinking that is against the code of conduct 15:32 <@Corydon76-home> I don't give a shit. I'm an organizer. 15:32 <@Corydon76-home> I has ze power to throw people out for perceived violations of the CoC(k) 15:33 <@SuMo_D> yeah... if you guys have penis badges I'm not coming... sorry 15:33 <@SuMo_D> I can see penis closer to home on Halloween weekned 15:33 <@SuMo_D> and yeah don't need one in laminated plastic 15:33 <@Corydon76-home> SuMo_D: See "trolling" 15:33 * SuMo_D shrugs 15:34 <@Corydon76-home> Plus this week I'm in the process of going off my meds, which means I'm dealing with the side effect of being massively horny 15:34 <@Wilpig> CODE OF CONDUCT! 15:34 <@Wilpig> I NEED AN ADULT! 15:35 * Wilpig runs away 15:38 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, 3-D penis badges that double as sexual toys would be awesome swag 15:43 <@Corydon76-home> Don't you agree, Wilpig? 15:45 <@Wilpig> I don't see how those would be useful 16:12 <@Wilpig> anyone heard anything about this new show on amc called "halt and catch fire" ? 16:21 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 16:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 16:37 <@SuMo_D> has anybody been watching HBO's Silicon Valley show? 16:37 <@SuMo_D> gotta love a good paradoy.... 16:38 <@SuMo_D> I'm not sure if its quite good... but its not horrible 16:38 <@SuMo_D> has its points 16:38 <@Wilpig> SuMo_D: my buddy jason talked me into watching it 16:38 <@Wilpig> it's meh 16:39 <@Wilpig> it has its moments but just hasn't hooked me like "I gotta watch that" 16:39 <@SuMo_D> yeah 16:39 <@SuMo_D> I really was hoping it'd be better 16:39 < eryc> I GOTTA WATCH THAT SHIZ 16:52 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 16:55 -!- kive [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqcgvmerieijodup] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58 -!- kive_ [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-djuxyifhjsplhyox] has joined #se2600 17:00 <@klixa> like Silicone Valley 17:07 < aestetix> I think Corydon76-home's badge should be a penis 17:11 <@klixa> 90 degrees outside 17:12 < aestetix> klixa: where are you? 17:12 <@klixa> aestetix: martinez 17:12 -!- strages__ [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxzsudjjrejtklph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12 < aestetix> where is that? 17:12 <@klixa> like 20 min from you 17:12 <@klixa> east 17:12 < aestetix> which way? 17:12 < aestetix> huh 17:12 < aestetix> you should come by and say hi 17:12 -!- kive_ [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-djuxyifhjsplhyox] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:13 < aestetix> It seems like you keep getting carted off to these god forsaken places 17:13 <@klixa> lol 17:13 <@klixa> yeah :/ 17:13 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ocdkppqrffwidfyq] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:13 <@klixa> its better than petaluma tho 17:13 <@klixa> at least this is still part of the bay...its the edge tho 17:17 < aestetix> What about a phreaknic badge shaped like a donkey taking a poo 17:17 < aestetix> And have it be a PCB so you can put a blinky light where the poo is 17:25 -!- strages__ [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wyvfsqnlmdoykvkm] has joined #se2600 17:27 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zmuhjtmkzadcaroc] has joined #se2600 17:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o EnabrinTain] by ChanServ 17:28 -!- kive_ [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-adyhpmjuwidcbmlh] has joined #se2600 17:52 < aestetix> mateinone.com 17:52 < aestetix> this site is cool 17:54 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: ...] 17:57 -!- giezr [~giezr@184.75.212.2] has quit [Quit: poof] 19:05 <@benthemeek> I have been playing around 19:06 <@benthemeek> What do you guys think ? https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_9KJUhBP8CBLVpSNzVZWTJKaDQ/edit?usp=sharing 19:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: b1phreaknic.png - Google Drive (at drive.google.com) 19:06 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: for what? 19:07 <@benthemeek> Just messing with logos 19:08 <@benthemeek> I dont know/remeber the font we are supposed to use 19:08 <@benthemeek> Dagmar's unease at the parody of the Hacker Inside logo left me uneasy as well so I didn't include it. The rest are all creative commons images 19:15 < aestetix> you lose geek points for using google drive 19:18 <@benthemeek> i was expecting that from you aestetic 19:18 <@benthemeek> but i dont have drop box or whatever the cool kids use these days on this linux box 19:18 <@benthemeek> its open to anyone with the URL 19:19 <@benthemeek> you dont have to be a google + person... i think 19:21 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: we're supposed to use a royalty-free font 19:22 <@Corydon76-home> I mean, if you're going to be pedantic about not using the HI logo 19:22 <@benthemeek> Thats a ubuntu font 19:22 <@benthemeek> I can change it 19:22 < aestetix> god these college kids are young 19:22 <@benthemeek> like I said I coudlnt remeber the one we had 19:22 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: It's called fresh meat. 19:22 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: if they still have zits, they're too young for me 19:23 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: I haven't actually paid all that much attention to all the IP issues when it comes to PhreakNIC 19:23 <@Corydon76-home> We generally are a small enough target that nobody bothers with us 19:23 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Oh, well, apparently I'm too young for you, then 19:24 < aestetix> YOu have teenage zits? 19:24 <@Corydon76-home> I have a regimen I use to reduce zits, but I still get them. 19:24 < aestetix> I don't like the idea of fucking my little sister. 19:24 < aestetix> Or, increasingly, my daughter. 19:25 <@Corydon76-home> Daddy-Son sex is hot. 19:25 <@Corydon76-home> Not actual incest, just the whole intergenerational thing. 19:25 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: would you want to fuck your dad? 19:25 < aestetix> Or I guess, someone his age 19:26 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I'm 38, and I don't have a problem with fucking 18yo guys 19:26 < aestetix> What about 58 year old guys? 19:26 < aestetix> Or do you like to be daddy? 19:27 <@Corydon76-home> Now you're getting the picture 19:27 <@benthemeek> I only found that hacker emblem this afternoon 19:27 <@benthemeek> I had no idea it was so popular or what it meant 19:27 <@benthemeek> I have never seen the game of life before 19:27 <@benthemeek> Maybe thats old hat to all the poeple with CS degrees in the world 19:27 <@Corydon76-home> Which emblem are you talking about? 19:28 <@benthemeek> The first one on the right 19:28 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, the glasses? 19:28 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: so you have a father-son fetish, where you're the father. 19:28 <@benthemeek> Uh 19:28 <@benthemeek> sorry left 19:29 <@benthemeek> looks like a go board 19:29 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, Game of Life is from way back 19:29 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Not a fetish 19:29 <@benthemeek> Its called the glider 19:30 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I think it's quite flattering when a guy young enough to be my offspring wants my dick 19:31 < aestetix> So do you like.... hang around college campuses wearing a trenchcoat, looking for freshmen? 19:31 <@Corydon76-home> That said, I've never actually had daddy-son sex, just had people tell me about their fantasies with me 19:31 <@Corydon76-home> Nope 19:32 <@Corydon76-home> Well, wait, I actually have had daddy-son sex, when I was in college, with a guy about 25 years older than me 19:33 < aestetix> They just tell you? 19:33 < aestetix> So they play a cocktease? 19:33 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: most of them are too far away to do anything about it 19:34 < aestetix> Oh wait. So you don't ever actually meet them in person? 19:35 <@Corydon76-home> and even if they aren't, the fantasy is usually far more satisfying than the actual act 19:35 < aestetix> That reminds me of okcupid when a few women in their late 30s had to post "I am *not* a cougar!" 19:35 < aestetix> (unrelated to me) 19:36 <@Corydon76-home> I don't know why anybody really needs to put a label on it. You like what you like, and that's all there is to it 19:37 <@Corydon76-home> Now, there are the creepy ones where the guy is jailbait, and then I have to remind the kid that I cannot participate in the fantasy, due to that. 19:38 < aestetix> Is fantasy illegal? 19:38 <@Corydon76-home> and it gets really creepy when a 16yo is telling you everything he'd like to do to you, and you are legally not permitted to say anything back. 19:38 < aestetix> Provided you don't actually fuck them 19:38 < aestetix> Maybe it's soliciting? 19:39 <@Corydon76-home> You're not allowed to vocalize a fantasy with them. It's considered 'grooming' and is illegal in many places. 19:40 < aestetix> Do you get a lot of young guys wanting you to play daddy? 19:40 < aestetix> Like..... do they come from broken homes? Or have abusive fathers? 19:41 <@Corydon76-home> I have no idea what makes some young guys fantasize about that, but they come from across the socioeconomic realm, and there's nothing about abuse or broken families that distinguishes them 19:42 <@Corydon76-home> I know some whose parents are divorced and some whose parents are together 19:43 <@Corydon76-home> I actually don't know any that were abused, and I would understand why abuse by an authority figure might make someone not interested in that fantasy 19:44 < aestetix> Hmmm. 19:44 < aestetix> I could see it in a kid who has a military father who is always gone. 19:44 < aestetix> And wants an older man to discipline him 19:44 < aestetix> (I have run into this with LSD before where people fall into "kid mode" 19:44 <@Corydon76-home> See, the problem is that you're thinking Freud's theories held any water. Freud was a loon. 19:45 < aestetix> heh 19:45 < aestetix> I'm not saying that it *will* happen. 19:45 < aestetix> Just that it's a reasonable explanation for some occurences. 19:46 <@Corydon76-home> You can try explaining it however you like, but the fact is, until someone comes up with a theory that has predictive capabilities, rather than being simply explanatory, it's anybody's guess. 19:46 < aestetix> Well, it could also be the kid saying "I like older men because it reminds me of my military father." 19:46 < aestetix> If anything, I'd suggest it's an archetype. 19:47 <@Corydon76-home> Freud's theories were the essential witchhunt theory, in that anything you said confirmed his theories, and if you denied it, he'd come up with some explanation about why he was still right. 19:48 <@Corydon76-home> I doubt someone reminding them of their father would be a reason to eroticize a type of person 19:48 < aestetix> Do you also discount Jung? 19:48 < aestetix> I agree that Freud was kind of a nut. But I think Jung was onto something. 19:49 <@Corydon76-home> Now what it could be is that the person exemplifies what they wish they could have had in an authority figure 19:49 < aestetix> Right. 19:49 < aestetix> Where the father is a symbol they are using to explain an archetype they desire. 19:50 <@Corydon76-home> Could even be because a particular authority figure rejected them at a certain age that they wished for a similar person who didn't reject them 19:50 < aestetix> "I'm into someone who is like my father." Not actually having their father come along and fuck them. 19:50 <@Corydon76-home> No, not like their father, but more about what they wish their father could have been 19:50 < aestetix> Sure. 19:51 <@Corydon76-home> So it's the contrast more than the similarities which recommend him 19:51 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: have you done much shadow play? 19:51 < aestetix> (not Shadow404 play) 19:51 <@Corydon76-home> I have no idea what that is 19:51 < aestetix> You're familiar with Jung's idea of the shadow? 19:52 <@Corydon76-home> Nope 19:52 < aestetix> Ah, ok. 19:52 < aestetix> You know about conscious and unconscious? 19:53 < aestetix> Ok wikipedia is entirely unhelpful here. 19:53 <@Corydon76-home> Most of the theories about the unconscious are bullshit 19:53 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_%28psychology%29 19:54 < aestetix> Unconscious here more refers to emotion 19:54 <@Corydon76-home> The best that can be said about the unconscious is that it is the sum of our inclinations for which we have forgotten the original reason 19:55 < aestetix> Shadow play involves the interaction with the shadow as seems to be described on that page 19:55 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: exactly. 19:56 < aestetix> Another way to put it is "known" and "unknown" 19:56 < aestetix> Eh.... maybe "rational" and "irrational" 19:56 <@Corydon76-home> Nope, not necessarily irrational 19:56 < aestetix> The conscious is basically definitions... descriptions 19:56 < aestetix> So if you say "I'm happy" the word happy is a symbol describing an emotion you're having 19:57 <@Corydon76-home> I sleep on the left side of my bed. I'm sure there was a perfectly rational reason for why that is my side, but I've long since forgotten it 19:57 < aestetix> Well sure 19:58 < aestetix> Do you feel unsafe trying to sleep on the right side? 19:58 <@Corydon76-home> When I put on pants, left leg first, always. I'm sure there's a reason for that, but I don't remember. 19:58 < aestetix> And it feels correct? 19:58 <@Corydon76-home> Nope, I can sleep on the right side just fine. I just don't. 19:59 <@Corydon76-home> Or if I do, I go back to the left side the next night 19:59 < aestetix> Maybe unsafe isn't the right word 19:59 < aestetix> Then again, words are hard. 20:00 < aestetix> And yes, forgotten things is a perfectly valid of the unconscious 20:00 <@Corydon76-home> Many people who have particular dietary habits continue them long past remembering the original reason for having adopted that diet 20:00 < aestetix> Let's say when you were 2, you saw a video of a snake biting someone. Now you have a fear of snakes but can't remember right. 20:00 < aestetix> remember why* 20:01 < aestetix> A lot of shadow play is about edging around those fears and exploring them. 20:01 <@Corydon76-home> I have a fear of snakes because of some asshole with a toy snake who kept blocking my path as a toddler 20:02 <@Corydon76-home> When you cannot step OVER a toy because it's too high, you can be trapped by the oddest things 20:02 < aestetix> Right. Or maybe you avoid a certain place because someone yelled at you there once. 20:02 < aestetix> Or because your parents told you not to go there, before not listening to them was cool. 20:03 <@Corydon76-home> Or the belief that the church altar had an electrocution danger, because my father used the same phrase to talk about that area and electrical outlets 20:03 < aestetix> heh 20:03 < aestetix> So a lot of shadow play is focused around playing with fears. Maybe it's to make the fears less scary, and maybe it's because you enjoy the thrill of confronting them. 20:04 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, I've thought about a great deal of my own false belief sets 20:04 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, I don't confront fears. I debunk them. 20:04 < aestetix> For example: I know someone who is a descendant of slaves, who really likes roleplay where someone assumes being her master, whipping her, and calling her names 20:05 <@Corydon76-home> Somehow, I doubt that has anything to do with her ancestry and more to do with upbringing 20:05 < aestetix> Albeit things like that are really intense. Also goes with military role play. 20:05 < aestetix> Well sure. 20:05 < aestetix> But this notion of "slave" is part of her known identity. And not a very happy one. 20:06 <@Corydon76-home> If being subjugated is the forbidden fruit... then that is sought 20:06 < aestetix> There's a kind of thrill in being able to explore that, and then when the play ends, knowing that you survived it. 20:06 < aestetix> And at this point I suspect folks in here want to hear about things other than shadow play. 20:07 <@Corydon76-home> Later 20:07 < aestetix> You want to talk more about it later? 20:09 < aestetix> benthemeek: sorry about that :p 20:22 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 20:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 20:50 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:41 -!- ZeroMinuS [~zerominus@68.208.149.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:44 -!- ZeroMinuS [~zerominus@68.208.149.253] has joined #se2600 22:17 <@Dagmar> Suhweeet! 22:18 <@Dagmar> The Walking Dead: Season TWo, episode three is out --- Log closed Fri May 16 00:00:56 2014