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07:47 <@Dagmar> loool
07:48 <@Dagmar> I emailed a reminder to one of the DBAs that I was proceeding with patching two of their prod systems (at six in the fucking morning)
07:48 <@Dagmar> His response: "This was scheduled for next Wednesday"
07:48 <@Dagmar> All I can think is... "Too fuckin' bad.  The patch calendar says '5/14 - 6am'"
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07:50 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:57 <@Dagmar> Fuck today.  I'm going back to bed for 20 minutes and starting over.
07:57 <@Dagmar> Apparently I wasn' supposed to patch two of these boxes until next week
08:15 <@Shadow404> diaf shapr
08:15 <@Bahhumbug> Preemptive strike?
08:15 <@Shadow404> figured id get a jump on that
08:15 <@Shadow404> yep
08:15 <@Bahhumbug> :)
08:19 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: don't be bitching about going back to bed.  I didn't get home til after 3am this morning and my alarm went off very rudely at 6:30
08:19 <@Bahhumbug> And what were you doing until 0300?
08:20 <@Shadow404> ....
08:20 <@Wilpig> FOZZY!  https://www.dropbox.com/s/i2d9z8fbrriu2j8/2014-05-13%2020.10.51.jpg
08:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-05-13 20.10.51.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
08:20 <@Wilpig> and then Buckcherry  https://www.dropbox.com/s/vqwfcerhfy3q2pt/2014-05-13%2021.30.54.jpg
08:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-05-13 21.30.54.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
08:20 <@Wilpig> Then the tumblr office that was all empty and kinda creepy.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/x6893fu8d5q5mog/2014-05-13%2022.45.11.jpg
08:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-05-13 22.45.11.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
08:21 <@Wilpig> then there was a train ride that missed the connecting train by about 2 minutes so I got fucked on the 12:22 train home and had to wait for the last train of the night which was at 1:40am
08:21 <@Wilpig> OH!  and I ripped my shorts like night.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/162k5u4zgdcsobl/2014-05-14%2002.23.24.jpg
08:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-05-14 02.23.24.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
08:24 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: is that a good enough excuse/timeline?
09:01 <@Bahhumbug> Works for me.
09:07 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: those ripped shorts look like the perfect excuse for buttsecks
09:34 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: has there been any word out of the crack team that was working on the website on making something that isn't shitty?
09:51 <@Dagmar> So... NetSec pushed out an update to the VPN client that is apparently breaking about half our customer's shit
09:52 <@Wilpig> woooooooo!
09:52 <@Dagmar> The good news is that since half of them were hired out of the fucking Help Desk that they'll be well experienced with calling a vendor for techncal support
09:52 <@Dagmar> HIlarious, I'm not having any problems with the update
09:52 <@Dolemite> rofl
09:52 <@Dagmar> er Hilariously
09:52 <@Wilpig> testing and rolling out updates in stages is totally overrated
09:54 <@Dagmar> Testing in stages is only for load testing, don't you know
10:37 <@aestetix> Wilpig: for all NYC's glory, there are many ways where it simply and utterly fails at its one redeeming characteristic, efficiency.
10:37 <@aestetix> Sometimes I think NJTransit is just NYC's way of telling Jersey to go fuck itself
10:38 <@aestetix> Oh boy, this is gonna be fun. A lawyer from Google will be at the conference where I'm speaking at about NymRights.
10:41 <@Wilpig> heh
10:42 <@Dagmar> Good
10:46 <@rattle> Taking an NJTransit bus is an adventure unlike any other..
10:47 <@Wilpig> you got that right
10:47 <@rattle> Also, the last NE Corridor NJTransit train out of NYC on a Friday or Saturday night, is well, AMAZING.  As long as you can tolerate crazy people and the smell of vomit.
10:47 <@Wilpig> last night I saw two chicks making out, a horde of lady gaga fans in various stages of undress
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10:54 <@aestetix> were they hot?
10:55 <@Wilpig> one meh, the other yes
10:55 <@aestetix> was one of them anarchival?
10:55 <@Shadow404> n that cade they werent hot
10:55 <@Shadow404> maybe one was
10:57 <@Wilpig> none of them were anarchival
10:57 <@Wilpig> I wouldn't be on irc right now.  i'm sure if I had run into her that late, on the train, when I was already annoyed, blood would have been shed
10:59 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I wonder if that update had anything to do with the OpenSSL null-deref vulnerability that was published in the last week
11:00 <@Corydon76-home> When everybody is vulnerable, that's a good reason to push out an update to everybody and not worry about the consequences
11:02 <@aestetix> Well that was cute
11:02 <@aestetix> Had our first "hacking" attempt
11:03 <@aestetix> Someone running a bot against us trying to find "win.ini"
11:04 <@aestetix> I'm kind of curious how many servers actually run Windows to make that search fruitious
11:04 <@aestetix> Since if I see a system with IIS I run screaming.
11:04 <@aestetix> And who the hell would install apache on windows
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11:07 <@Dolemite> aestetix: You'd be surprised how many times we have Europeans on the openDCIM mailing list asking about running XAMP (Apache on Windows)
11:09 <@Wilpig> Dolemite: did you look at the guy that signed up fot the list last night?
11:09 <@aestetix> wait
11:09 <@Dolemite> I saw your link to device42, but haven't specifically looked him up
11:09 <@aestetix> XAMP? something apache mysql php
11:09 <@aestetix> please tell me x is not xp
11:10 <@Dolemite> yeah, not sure why they use x for the first letter
11:11 <@Wilpig> his email domain redirected to device42
11:11 <@Dolemite> I see that
11:11 <@Dolemite> they do have some contributions to open source
11:11 <@Dolemite> so there may be some collaboration
11:12 <@Dolemite> Well, pretty much all of it is scripting to import data into device42
11:13 <@Dolemite> but still, that's ok.  I've been vocal about how commercial apps would be smart to develop a migration tool/path from openDCIM to their solutions
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11:17 <@Wilpig> I figured it might be them just watching the mailing list to see what people want
11:22 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ziaj9gtrtdctmyh/Screen%20Shot%202014-05-14%20at%2011.22.24%20AM.png  <-- from an internal memo
11:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - Screen Shot 2014-05-14 at 11.22.24 AM.png (at www.dropbox.com)
11:24 <@aestetix> http://javarevisited.blogspot.sg/2014/05/10-articles-every-programmer-must-read.html
11:28  * shapr throws sticks into the channel
11:29 <@Shadow404> diaf
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11:46 <@aestetix> Shadow404: penis
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11:53  * shapr burns the sticks
11:57  * Corydon76-home throws a stick of pure magnesium into the pile
12:00 <@shapr> whee!
12:01  * shapr adds LiPos to the conflagration
12:06  * Corydon76-home adds a block of sodium for good measure
12:07 <@Corydon76-home> Anybody want to throw water on it?
12:08  * Wilpig pees on it
12:10 <@aestetix> God
12:10 <@aestetix> US health care is so bad
12:13 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: in what way?
12:13 <@Dolemite> Thanks, Obama!
12:14 <@Corydon76-home> In terms of being able to afford it or in terms of the outcome?
12:14 <@aestetix> yes and yes
12:14 <@aestetix> Dolemite: Obama made some things better and some things a lot worse
12:15 <@Corydon76-home> What things are a lot worse?
12:15 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: treating health care in general as a for-profit industry.
12:15 <@Dolemite> s/Obama/The Congress who sent him an approved Bill written by lobbyists/
12:16 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: how about this. If you have insurance, try getting reimbursed for things like therapy.
12:16 <@Dolemite> Of course, he had the option to not sign it, so he's partially to blame, too
12:16 <@aestetix> It's astonishing to what lengths insurance companies will go to deny you.
12:16 <@Dolemite> aestetix: US Healthcare is the absolute best in the world.  If you can afford it.
12:16 <@aestetix> Dolemite: and if you have time to deal with the bullshit.
12:17 <@aestetix> I'm partly complaining more about insurance than health care.
12:17 <@aestetix> Although health care itself has its own slew of issues.
12:18 <@aestetix> Another fun example is patents on prescription drugs.
12:18 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I have to ask you... you're just discovering this now?
12:18 <@aestetix> No.
12:18 <@benthemeek> aestetix: Arent those patents really short term?
12:19 <@benthemeek> Like a fe wyears or something?
12:19 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: 7-14 years
12:19 <@benthemeek> :-/
12:19 <@aestetix> benthemeek: it's short term for some things, but it's not short term if you need the drug and you have to pay the brand name price for those 7 years.
12:19 <@Corydon76-home> 7 years, with an option to extend for a second 7 years
12:19 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: no, just had an experience that's unleashing a flood of anger.
12:20 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: there's no such thing as needing one particular drug
12:20 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: unless the drug manufacturer has a monopolgy on it.
12:20 <@Corydon76-home> Drugs are treatments, not cures
12:20 <@benthemeek> That is such a tricky thing
12:20 <@aestetix> I agree.
12:20 <@benthemeek> I mean I understand that universitys are given research funding to find treatments
12:21 <@Corydon76-home> The only exception to that are vaccines
12:21 <@Corydon76-home> Therefore, there's always another treatment available
12:21 <@benthemeek> that funding drives better research but then they are patented for seven years. Would as much innovation and research happen without the patents?
12:21 <@benthemeek> That is the question
12:21 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: also, I've had to deal with a lot of issues with this, and there's tension because the bay area is increasingly filled with 22 year olds whose idea of a medical emergency is a hangover.
12:23 <@aestetix> One of my favorite examples... a friend needed a surgery, that her insurance approved, but she couldn't get the surgery without getting a medical exam, that the insurance would NOT approve.
12:23 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: the proliferation of advertisements asking patients to "ask you doctor about..." indicates the patent system is having the opposite effect.
12:24 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: that sounds more like she received conditional approval for the surgery, on the condition of getting an exam to prove medical necessity
12:24 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: right.
12:24 <@aestetix> That's what I mean.
12:24 <@Corydon76-home> So she had approval for neither the exam nor the surgery
12:25 <@aestetix> But you see my point, hopefully.
12:25 <@Corydon76-home> Nope
12:25 <@Corydon76-home> Most likely, she hadn't met her deductible, which the exam would have come under
12:25 <@aestetix> Insurance companies exist to make money.
12:26 <@Corydon76-home> The whole point of deductibles is to make people reluctant to pursue medical care until it's necessary
12:26 <@aestetix> So they were basically forcing her to pay for an expensive exam that was not covered to deter her from doing something that would cost them more.
12:26 <@aestetix> It's not *that* big a deal if you can afford the exam.
12:26 <@Corydon76-home> They were forcing her to make a decision to only have the exam when it was medically necessary
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12:27 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: and so if she couldn't afford the exam, and decided against going through with things, and the situation wound up getting way worse...
12:27 <@aestetix> Because that's what happens.
12:27 <@Corydon76-home> It's not the greatest method of reducing bottlenecks to the system, but it's an effective one
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12:27 <@aestetix> It doesn't reduce bottlenecks. It reduces the amount of money insurance companies have to pay out.
12:28 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: propose a better system that doesn't have college students going to the doctor for hangovers
12:28 <@aestetix> They exist to make profit, not to help health care.
12:28 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: I propose doctors get sticks to beat stupid people with
12:29 <@Wilpig> "you came in here for a hangover.  now you need a cast cause I just beat your ass"
12:29 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: I'd rather have doctors getting stuck with hangover students than people dying because they couldn't afford an exam to get a surgery they needed.
12:29 <@Dolemite> Sounds like aestetix' friend would be one of the first recipients of that stick
12:29 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: then find a way to pay for it
12:29 <@Shadow404> obamacare is working wonders, there are no issues and the roll out went perfectly, no technical glitches, hail emperor obama
12:29 <@Dolemite> You keep saying that phrase, but I don't think you know what it means.
12:29 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: I'd be a lot happier paying for that if the money went to the doctors and not the insurance companies.
12:30 <@Dolemite> If she has seen a medical professional who stated that the surgery is required, then she has had an exam.
12:30 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: agreed
12:30 <@aestetix> Dolemite: you would logically think that is the case.
12:30 <@Dolemite> If she has decided on her own, because she read it on a celebublog, that she needed surgery, then it's 99% unlikely that she needs it.
12:30 <@Catonic> Guten Tag!
12:30 <@aestetix> Dolemite: also agreed.
12:30 <@Corydon76-home> The doctor doesn't need to bill for the exam.  The doctor chooses to bill for it
12:30 <@Dolemite> Catonic: Toot 'n gag!
12:31 <@aestetix> Dolemite: in this situation the insurance company required the exam, unrelated to the doctor.
12:31 <@Catonic> touche'
12:31 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you say that like you believe that politicians won't accuse doctors of being greedy bloodsuckers
12:31 < eryc> are they removing her vagina?
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12:32 <@aestetix> I'm simply saying that our insurance industry is set up to make money by screwing over people who won't navigate their bureaucracy.
12:32 <@aestetix> haha
12:32 <@Shadow404> seriously, lets socialize the us already and rely on state funded healthcare
12:32 <@Shadow404> that works well
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12:32 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: our entire economy is set up to make money.  Period.
12:32 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: agreed.
12:32 <@Corydon76-home> Why does anybody expect insurance companies or doctors to be the sole exclusions to the economy?
12:33 <@Dolemite> it's called 'Capitalism'
12:33 <@aestetix> Well, firefighters, teachers, police, etc come to mind
12:33 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: when you perform IT functions at cost, I'll have more sympathy for your argument.
12:34 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: have a better argument?
12:34 <@aestetix> And note that this is less of an argument and more of a rant
12:34 <@Corydon76-home> The firefighters, teachers, and police all expect to be able to retire somebody based upon their savings from making more than what is required to live.
12:35 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I simply don't dispute that insurance companies are permitted to make a profit, and I think the ACA had a wonderful idea of limiting how much that profit can be
12:35 <@aestetix> Sure.
12:36 <@aestetix> When I say "for profit", I mean extortion, not "enough to pay the bills and have a decent life"
12:36 <@Corydon76-home> It put a number of the worst insurance companies out of business immediately
12:36 <@aestetix> Which is probably why the GOP hated it so much.
12:36 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: then you may be surprised that just about none of the insurance companies left meet your definition
12:36 <@aestetix> If a doctor is highly skilled, I have no issue with them making lots of money.
12:37 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: do you mean the most recent round of ACA?
12:37 <@aestetix> The pre-existing conditions bit helped enormously.
12:38 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I mean when the initial law came into effect that limited insurance companies from less than 80% of their premiums going to health care
12:38  * aestetix nods
12:38 <@aestetix> I know a new round of reforms went in Jan 1 of this year, I dont' recall which reforms thoug
12:38 <@Corydon76-home> When 20% of premiums covers administrative costs and profit, that's extremely thin profit margins
12:39 <@Wilpig> aestetix: they have to pay off medical school
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12:40 <@aestetix> lol
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12:40 <@Corydon76-home> Doctors are also limited in their payments from insurance companies.  Outstanding surgeons don't get paid more than shitty surgeons
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12:45 <@shapr> !quote
12:45 <@GateKeeper> shapr: quote <company symbol>
12:45 <@shapr> !quote YHOO
12:45 <@GateKeeper> shapr: The current price of YHOO is 34.47, as of 12:30pm EST.  A change of +0.07 from the last business day.
12:45 <@shapr> !quote GOOG
12:45 <@GateKeeper> shapr: The current price of GOOG is 528.81, as of 12:30pm EST.  A change of -4.28 from the last business day.
12:45 <@Wilpig> hey!  don't make me look at yahoo stock prices
12:46 <@Wilpig> I have serious money tied up there and don't want to have a panic attack when that shit goes down
12:46 <@aestetix> !quote FB
12:46 <@aestetix> huh
12:47 <@shapr> Wilpig: ha
12:47 <@Wilpig> I have more than 1000 shares.  that's a significant
12:47 <@aestetix> !quote MSFT
12:47 <@aestetix> it's not working for me
12:47 <@Wilpig> the bot hates you
12:48 <@Wilpig> !quote MSFT
12:48 <@GateKeeper> Wilpig: The current price of MSFT is 40.2401, as of 12:33pm EST.  A change of -0.1799 from the last business day.
12:56 <@rattle> !quote FEYE
12:56 <@GateKeeper> rattle: The current price of FEYE is 27.07, as of 12:41pm EST.  A change of +0.05 from the last business day.
13:05 <@Catonic> hey rattle, how ya doin? Still in DC?
13:08 <@rattle> Boston area..
13:09 <@rattle> Btw, change I might be in Huntsville June 4-5..  Not sure though.
13:10 <@Corydon76-home> That weekend I'll be up in PA
13:12 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: hershey highway?
13:12 <@NotLarry> Wow, I am now incomfortable working here.  Time to read up on the whistleblower act.
13:13 <@NotLarry> fm, gtg
13:13 <@Wilpig> what now?
13:13 <@Catonic> rattle: I'm based out of Birmingham now. Made it eight years with the company tomorrow.
13:13 <@aestetix> Catonic: you are old
13:14 <@Catonic> I can't believe I haven't gotten myself fired yet. Came close.
13:14 <@aestetix> Catonic: curious.... do you belong to a church?
13:14 <@aestetix> Since apparently that's really common to do in the south
13:22 <@aestetix> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/13/the-oh-so-fragile-class-of-2014-needs-to-stfu-and-listen-to-some-new-ideas.html
13:22 <@aestetix> This article actually makes some good points.
13:27 <@Catonic> aestetix: atheist. I share Nietzsche's ideas on religion.
13:48 <@Corydon76-home> "Religion is a pile of dog shit. While it might act to fertilize a tree into bearing good fruit, there are frankly better fertilizers available."
14:09 < eryc> what are the better fertilizers?
14:13 <@Wilpig> tomorrow is gonna be fun
14:26 <@Wilpig> wow.  that's a response from dink
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14:33 <@shapr> !track TSLA
14:33 <@shapr> !quote TSLA
14:33 <@GateKeeper> shapr: The current price of TSLA is 192.0501, as of 2:18pm EST.  A change of +1.8901 from the last business day.
14:38 <@Dolemite> Wilpig: What, you got a response from dink on something?
14:39 <@shapr> dang, TSLA is going up even more!
14:39 <@Wilpig> no.  he responded to Corydon76-home on the help list yet I still can't get any responses.  he did repond to my email though.  so it's not like he can say he didn't see it
14:41 <@Corydon76-home> They're working on getting the PN website up, but they're not going to respond to your inflammatory posts
14:42 <@Wilpig> If it's based on that shit site then they need to rethink it
14:42 <@Wilpig> clearly
14:42 <@Wilpig> I've offered help but they've refused it
14:42 <@Corydon76-home> Why?
14:42 <@Corydon76-home> Why is that site shit?
14:42 <@Wilpig> have you looekd at it?
14:43 <@Corydon76-home> Looks fine to me
14:43 <@Wilpig> it doesnt' know if it's phreaknic or nashville 2600 for one
14:43 <@Wilpig> the menus are garbage and disappear when you hover them
14:43 <@Wilpig> the headings on most of the pages are blended in with the background
14:43 <@Wilpig> it's slow as fuck
14:43 <@Wilpig> it's open to xmlrpc events
14:43 <@Wilpig> there isn't any real information there, especially considering they've been working on it for three months
14:44 <@Wilpig> it's a plain god damned template with no inspiration or anything to it
14:44 <@Corydon76-home> They haven't been working on it for 3 months, and yes, it's a template.  The template is the point of it
14:44 <@Wilpig> Right we need a template so any jackass can add content to it because we have an army of people that need t upload content
14:45 <@Corydon76-home> They're not looking for a radical design.  They want a design that makes people feel good about showing it to administrative types
14:45 <@Corydon76-home> A very boring conventional design, yes.
14:45 <@Wilpig> because of the way that template and wordpress instance is setup it will be shit for google to index
14:46 <@Wilpig> they can make a site that looks nice and isn't a plain shitty template
14:46 <@Corydon76-home> So what you're saying is, because Google can't index it well, we'll get worse attendance than last year?
14:46 <@Wilpig> no I'm saying because google can't index it, it should be rethought
14:46 <@Wilpig> every little bit counts
14:46 <@Corydon76-home> Uh, right...
14:47 <@Wilpig> You saying every little bit doesn't count?
14:47 <@Wilpig> so the money I set aside for nashville 2600 I should .... use it for myself!  k
14:48 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, you should.
14:48 <@Wilpig> but then again, since I can't get any kind of response I jus tplan on sitting on that cash anyhow.  why would I continue to support an organization that doesn't want my help
14:48 <@Corydon76-home> Why, indeed?
14:48 <@Wilpig> it's all getting funded from the small business whatever the fuck from there in anshville and grants and magic money!
14:49  * Wilpig sprinkles the room in fairy dust laced with hopes and dreams
14:49 <@Wilpig> because I believe that it should continue despite the twits that are currently pushing their own agenda
14:50 <@Corydon76-home> As Decius, you're going to need to let jonnyx fail on his own terms this year, and if he fails, only then should you come back and have legitimate criticisms
14:50 <@Corydon76-home> Right now, you're coming across as trying to run the con with your own agenda, rather than letting the elected leaders do it
14:51 <@Corydon76-home> and that's why they're refusing to engage with you
14:52 <@Corydon76-home> They explicitly don't want a flame war, because that just drives people away, and it won't get anything done.
14:52 <@Wilpig> I sat back and tried to point out the issues they were going to run into that was run flat into fuck you, you don't know what you're talking about
14:52 <@Corydon76-home> It's the way the message is delivered, not the message itself.
14:53 <@Wilpig> heard that my entire life.  
14:53 <@Wilpig> my answer to that has been consistently, grow a thicker skin and get over yourself
14:53 <@Corydon76-home> Or they could just ignore you, which seems to be the way they're going.
14:54 <@Wilpig> I'm not putting on kid gloves to ease someone in the right direction.  when they are fucking up correct them once, when they fail to adjust rub their nose in it,  continue to fail be a beligerant asshole
14:54 <@Wilpig> but if you're saying they will continue to ignore me, then I should schedule a trip to nashville
14:54 <@Corydon76-home> You're complaining that your message is not being heeded, because in the way your message is delivered, they're refusing to acknowledge you.
14:54 <@Wilpig> or I should just say fuck it all 
14:55 <@Corydon76-home> So if you want someone to acknowledge your criticisms, then deliver it in a better way.
14:55 <@Corydon76-home> Or you could continue on the present brash course and get no acknowledgement.  It is your choice.
14:57 <@Wilpig> they aren't going to acknowledge me then fine.  the facts are there, the points have been made, all I have to do is sit back and watch the crash.  you and I both know full well if it fails this year then it is dead
14:58 <@Corydon76-home> BTW, the observation was made at the last meeting that at this time last year, SDC was already selling tickets.  Their website apparently hasn't been updated since last October.
14:58 <@benthemeek> My opinion: I don't think it will fail.
14:58 <@Wilpig> that's usual for him
14:58 <@Wilpig> benthemeek: have you seen the contract?
14:59 <@Corydon76-home> I also don't think it will fail
14:59 <@benthemeek> Its like asking for obama's birth certificate at this point
14:59 <@Wilpig> no it really isn't
14:59 <@benthemeek> its there I think its on a share
14:59 <@benthemeek> but no I havent seen it
14:59 <@Wilpig> it's looking for the phrase that "the con can and will operate 24x7 for the weekend of x"
15:00 <@Wilpig> if that phrase doesn't exist then I can tell you with enough attendance it will jsut get shut down
15:00 <@Dolemite> Wilpig: There's your straw man - "with enough attendance"
15:01 <@Wilpig> at that point your guests that are paying 30% more for the hotel costs alone will be told that they can't continue the whatever they were planning on doing all night and I would encourage them to just fucking leave
15:01 <@Wilpig> honestly it could be shut down with the right 10 people in any given room
15:01 <@benthemeek> It is a legitimate concern that we cant keep going at all hours, but Jonnyx says he had that discussion with the staff
15:01 <@Wilpig> discussion doesn't fucking matter
15:01 <@Wilpig> if it isn't in writing.  IT DIDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN!
15:02 <@Corydon76-home> As opposed to last year, when it was in writing that we shut down at 2 am?
15:02 <@Wilpig> as opposed to last year when we didn't have a signed contract?
15:02 <@benthemeek> So they might not let us come back next year, but I for what its worth I do trust his word on that
15:02 <@Dolemite> However, Wilpig, we've had that in writing in the past and it didn't matter.
15:02 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: so by that logic, since we kept going last year all night, then no contract is the way to go
15:02 <@Wilpig> we have, but when it is in writing we can go back to that writing to push the point
15:03 <@Dolemite> Case in point - the Ramada Inn Downtown, where they double booked the rooms with some Sunday School classes.
15:03 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: last year we were dealing with a sales person that actually wanted us there and enjoys dealing with us
15:03 <@Corydon76-home> Two years ago, our contract stated we shut down at 2am, and we still kept going all night
15:04 <@Corydon76-home> This year, we're dealing with a salesperson that wants us there and enjoys dealing with us
15:04 <@benthemeek> Wilpig: I think this year we are dealing with someone similar. They gave us a really good discount on the normal price of a room.
15:04 <@Wilpig> It did, but we also didn't have the bar in that agreement.  when we got hte bar they were fine with 24x7
15:04 <@Corydon76-home> We have a bigger hotel this year, with about triple the space
15:05 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: this year you're dealing with a sales person that wants a deal,  you have no idea how much they want us there until the time for the event comes and their true colors are shown
15:05 <@Corydon76-home> And we won't even have all the space.  We're aware that other groups will be there.
15:05 <@benthemeek> Wilpig: I am sure things will go wrong, but I dont think they will be any more wrong than usual :)
15:06 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: it's anarchival's family.  If it doesn't go to plan, she'll make hell for that person for the rest of their days
15:06 <@Wilpig> there is optimism and then there is just putting on blinders and charging forward
15:06  * benthemeek remembers the church group needing that room last year and the bar on sunday morning the year before
15:06 <@Corydon76-home> If she pisses you off, imagine how bad it would get for a family member
15:06 <@Wilpig> You're putting shit in crazypants's lap.  How many fucking ways can that go sideways?!
15:07 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: I remember that well
15:08 <@Dolemite> Isn't being related to anarchival already hell for the rest of their days?
15:08 <@Dolemite> So.  When we having GeekNIC this Fall?
15:08 <@Wilpig> not if they all suffer from the same mental disorders.  then it's just another day at the reaces
15:08 <@Wilpig> races*
15:08 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: I was thinking July sometime
15:08 <@Dolemite> ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS?
15:08 <@benthemeek> Wilpig: I have been disturbed by some of the things Anarchival has said her and on twitter.. BUT she is a member of the tech community her in nashville and is well known.
15:08 <@Dolemite> er, I mean, ok, sure, do tell, Corydon
15:09 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: It's only gay if the balls touch
15:09 <@benthemeek> Did you see this? https://data.nashville.gov/ I think that just happened yesterday and that is the portal she has been working on for over a year
15:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Nashville | Open Data (at data.nashville.gov)
15:09 <@benthemeek> (Her picture in on the page with the mayor
15:09 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-home: July is crowded enough in Gatlinburg that everybody will be gay, because all balls will be touching
15:09 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: Hey, that sounds like a plan, then
15:10 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: how about the weekend after Labor Day, then?
15:11 <@Dolemite> It's mainly going to be a question of how many of you want to come up and how expensive hotel rooms are.  Between the bookends of Memorial Day and Labor Day, prices are quite inflated
15:11 <@benthemeek> Thats not very far from phreaknic is it?
15:11 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: about 6 weeks
15:12 <@Dolemite> Dragon Con is Labor Day Weekend, too
15:12 <@Corydon76-home> Enough time to replenish monthly funds
15:12 <@Corydon76-home> Oh.  Not enough time to replenish monthly funds after DC
15:13 <@Dolemite> But FYI, that weekend (9/5-9/7) is when rates do start to drop.  The Westgate from last year is $99/night, and the River Terrace from 2 years ago is $79/night.
15:14 <@Wilpig> I liked the river terrace
15:14 <@Dolemite> yeah, I think I prefer it
15:14 <@Wilpig> yeah it was kinda dumpy
15:14 <@Dolemite> But location was better
15:14 <@Wilpig> but the balcony over the little creek was quite nice
15:14 <@Wilpig> and the location was much better
15:14 <@benthemeek> My family loved the westgate.. but that was solely due to the water park
15:15 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, being able to walk everywhere and not pay for parking in town is good
15:15 <@Dolemite> They have a free shuttle between the two in case anybody wants to go swimmin' - they're owned by the same company
15:15 <@Dolemite> Dining options were much better at River Terrace since you were in downtown Gatlinburg
15:16 <@Dolemite> I'll keep looking around to see what would work.
15:18 <@Dolemite> alright, I'm out of here
15:18 <@Dolemite> later
15:37 <@Shadow404> diaf
15:37 <@Shadow404> mmkthx
15:38 <@Mirage> Shadow404: http://www.thriveboston.com/counseling/pyromania-therapy-facts-and-fictions/
15:45 <@Shadow404> already in thetapy
15:45 <@Shadow404> kthx
15:45 <@Shadow404> therapy
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17:04 <@aestetix> vagina
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17:16 <@Mirage> Wilpig: Dallas Comicon this weekend.."Meet the creators of Cyanide & Happiness at booth #1151"
17:16 <@Wilpig> nice!
17:16 <@Wilpig> you going?
17:17 <@Wilpig> which ones are going is the next question.
17:17 <@Wilpig> rob
17:18 <@Wilpig> http://explosm.net/comics/author/Rob/
17:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #0 - Explosm.net (at explosm.net)
17:18 <@Mirage> http://www.fanexpodallas.com/fan-expo-news/meet-the-creators-of-cyanide-happiness-at-dallas-comic-con/
17:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: MEET THE CREATORS OF CYANIDE HAPPINESS AT DALLAS COMIC CON | Dallas Comic Con - Presented by Fan Expo Dallas (at www.fanexpodallas.com)
17:18 <@Mirage> Looks like Rob, Mike, and Dave
17:18 <@Wilpig> http://explosm.net/comics/3286/
17:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #3286 - Explosm.net (at explosm.net)
17:19 <@Wilpig> Dallas Fan Expo		May 16-18
17:19 <@Wilpig> Come say "hi" to Rob as he draws for you, and be extra creepy about it because that's funny. Booth 1151. 
17:20 <@Wilpig> you really should go.  the whole thing would be fun
17:21 <@Mirage> And of course Stan "The Man" (attention whore) Lee will be there.
17:21 <@Wilpig> he needs to die already so there won't be anymore cameos
17:22 <@Wilpig> did you see the thing I posted the other day about the jay and silent bob cartoon movie ?
17:22 <@Mirage> no
17:22 <@Wilpig> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2783020
17:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Jay and Silent Bob's Super Groovy Cartoon Movie (2013) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
17:23 <@Wilpig> cock knocker shows up again from their first movie but this time instead of it being mark hammel it's voiced by the chick that did bubbles on the powerpuff girls
17:23 <@Wilpig> laughed my ass off
17:24 <@Wilpig> and the reason I brought that up... stan lee makes a damned cameo in it
17:24 <@Mirage> of course
17:25 <@Wilpig> alright.  I think that's enough time wasted here.  I'm gonna head to see seether and black stone cherry now
17:26 <@Wilpig> Mirage: if you are interested in that, even slightly, it's in that place where I put things
17:27 <@Mirage> Wilpig: rgr
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17:35 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: behind the condom dispenser in the mens restroom?
17:51 <@aestetix> how fucking old is Stan Lee now?
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