--- Log opened Fri May 09 00:00:51 2014
00:01 <@Dagmar> Damnit this Wildstar beta client is not going to be done downloading tonight
00:01 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Yeah they've made a terrible mistake with that app
00:05 < RangerZ1> ok wtf... the default 'music' app doesn't play MP3 on my S3
00:05 < RangerZ1> wtf
00:06 <@Dagmar> Huh?  yeah it will
00:06 <@Dagmar> Google Play Music definitely will
00:07 <@Dagmar> ..and if you install CM10.2, Apollo will as well
00:07 <@Dagmar> You just gotta stick 'em in a folder named Music in the phone or preferably the SDcard
00:10 < RangerZ1> hmm
00:10 < RangerZ1> odd
00:10 < RangerZ1> must be some weird encoder , neither google play music or the samsung music app could play it
00:10 < RangerZ1> but ES file explorer's media player could
00:20 <@Dagmar> I've *no* idea what you've done to those poor mp4s then
00:21 <@Dagmar> er mp3s
00:22 <@Dagmar> If they're not truncated in some way, they *should* play with the Play app
00:22 <@Dagmar> I've encoded like 65 CDs now with Fre:ac and LAME doing the encoding at Q0.  They all play fine on everything
00:23 <@Dagmar> You *might* want to hit up the Play store and make sure everything is updating properly if you just flashed in a new CM or something
00:23 <@Dagmar> I don't know if 11.x plays music properly or not.  There were bugs with *all sound* stopping working which sent me back to 10.2 in a hurry
00:59 <@aestetix> vagina
01:05 <@aestetix> well then
01:06 <@aestetix> I am now on a government committee
01:06 <@aestetix> and wow they do not know anything about tech
01:10 <@aestetix> I wonder what would happen if I dropped acid and then sat on a committee hearing
01:11 < RangerZ1> you'd be elected mayor
01:11  * RangerZ1 points to Toronto 
01:14 <@aestetix> haha
01:21 < RangerZ1> http://dontcallitafastlane.com/#/lol
02:41 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
02:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixak] by ChanServ
02:49 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
02:50 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
02:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixak] by ChanServ
02:50 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit]
02:50 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:51 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
02:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ
02:55 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
04:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
04:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ
04:30 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:30 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
04:30 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ
04:32 <@aestetix> wilpig_: http://imgur.com/1MoYfE0
04:32 <@aestetix> nsfw
04:34 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
05:37 <@aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/253p2s/lets_share_bloody_period_stories/
06:16 -!- frsilent [~frsilent@unaffiliated/frsilent] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
07:32 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqrbszjfdtihezzh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
07:46 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:34 -!- Zero-|Work [~zerominus@68.208.149.253] has quit []
08:38 -!- ZeroMinuS [~zerominus@68.208.149.253] has joined #se2600
08:54 < wilpig_> aestetix: impressive
09:26 -!- frsilent [~frsilent@69.175.32.202] has joined #se2600
09:26 -!- frsilent [~frsilent@69.175.32.202] has quit [Changing host]
09:26 -!- frsilent [~frsilent@unaffiliated/frsilent] has joined #se2600
09:27 -!- rhia [~rhia@50.106.41.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
09:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
09:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ
09:39 -!- rhia [~rhia@50.106.41.178] has joined #se2600
09:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rhia] by ChanServ
09:57 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600
10:03 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:46 <@Shadow404> woot, new juicessh update is alot less buggy
11:00 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.137.235] has joined #se2600
11:16 < nachoguy> you lika da juis?
11:36 < nachoguy> anyone have a portable bluetooth keyboard that they like using with an android device?  I've got this one:http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/bluetooth-illuminated-keyboard-k810  It's not the most portable thing, but other than that, rather nice
11:45 <@Catonic> yeah
11:45 <@Catonic> I got it at fry's on discount in PHX for $30
11:45 <@Catonic> thing would have saved my life if I'd bought it before I needed it.
11:47 <@Catonic> I dropped my phone after stepping out of the PHX airport, right after I confirmed visual on my transport
11:56 <@oddball> nachoguy: I guess the question is what Android device?
11:57 <@oddball> I have an awesome keyboard for my Transformer. :P
12:10 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.137.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
12:16 < nachoguy> oddball: note 2
12:18 <@oddball> damn... that's not big enough to fit in an iPad case.  You can sometimes find some good keyboard/case combos on clearance for the ipad.
12:18 < nachoguy> ah, yeah.  I was looking for something a little smaller perhaps.  THe logitech is about ipad sized
12:19 < nachoguy> s/smaller/smaller or foldable/
12:19 <@oddball> It wouldn't suprise me if someone made a case/keyboard combo for the Note 2.  I tend to like those since it means that I *will* have the keyboard with me.
12:20 <@oddball> I have a wee little kayboard that I keep in my car that's about the size of my cell phone.
12:20 <@aestetix> haha
12:20 <@aestetix> I love this "limit the FCC to dialup speed" movement
12:20 < nachoguy> hahm you're right
12:20 <@aestetix> wilpig_: you should do that on tumblr
12:20 < nachoguy> oddball: actually, that's what I'm looking for recommendations for
12:21 < nachoguy> what's the make/model of the little keyboard?
12:21 <@oddball> Damnit... you're going to make me go get it, aren't you...
12:21 <@oddball> hold on.
12:22 < nachoguy> oddball: nah\
12:22 < nachoguy> no need to run for the car
12:22 < nachoguy> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IJZO73E/ref=s9_hps_ft_g107_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-4&pf_rd_r=067G73F3WG5AA5EMJ1QD&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_p=1513573222&pf_rd_i=1001053871
12:24 <@aestetix> wilpig_: you should do that on tumblr
12:26 <@oddball> I think this is what I have (same manufacturer, but the alt keys are blue on mine) http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wireless-Keyboard-Android-Smartphone/dp/B0043862N4/
12:27 <@oddball> Honestly, it was the cheapest little bluetooth keyboard the Fry's in Chicago had.
12:27 <@oddball> That case/keyboard combo should work for you.
12:27 < wilpig_> "this is honestly one of my favorite events to do, where we get to make children cry"
12:29 < wilpig_> Yahoo! has a float for the pride parade and has invited tumblr to get on the float
12:29 <@shapr> I want to hack up those victim cards in LaTeX
12:32 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: so it turns out that committees have a very different code of conduct than I am used to :p
12:33 <@aestetix> I thought it was quite funny that they pride themselves on efficient process when in fact the process makes things take way longer :)
12:35 <@aestetix> also, they really do not appreciate interrupting the committe chair by saying "penis" randomly
12:38 <@Catonic> LOL
12:38 <@aestetix> lawyers != efficient.
12:38 <@aestetix> programmers are way more efficient
12:38 <@Catonic> "I just have one question for the witness: Penis?"
12:39 <@Catonic> "I object!" "Grounds?" "Penis!" "You can't object by penis. You know this."
12:40 <@Corydon76-home> Lawyers also seek perfect arguments.  Programmers merely seek an answer.
12:41 <@oddball> aestetix: "committe" and "efficient" tend to be mutually exclusive.
12:41 <@Corydon76-home> Programmers are thus like the police, QA like the grand jury, and the intended audience like the jury.
12:42 <@aestetix> To me, perfection involves metrics and statistics
12:42 <@aestetix> You don't need to argue that nginx is faster than apache. Just show server response times.
12:42 <@Mirage> to me perfection involves noone calling or emailing me to have to reconfigure or otherwise fix something
12:43 <@Catonic> true.
12:43 <@Catonic> you're paying a lawyer $250/hr
12:43 <@Bahhumbug> Cheap lawyer.
12:43 <@Corydon76-home> Metrics and statistics are fundamentally incompatible with perfection.  Those are merely descriptions of how far short of perfection something falls (while possibly being better than other things that fall short of perfection)
12:44 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: Nah, that's about right for non-courtroom time
12:45 <@Corydon76-home> It's $400-$500/hr for court time
12:45 <@aestetix> god
12:45 <@Bahhumbug> Maybe down here in the middle of nowhere TN.
12:45 <@aestetix> so they make a lot of money
12:45 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Not really.  Consider how much time they have that are not engaged in billable hours
12:45 <@aestetix> so for an 8 hour court date a lawyer could make $4k?
12:46 <@Corydon76-home> Could bill that amount, yes
12:46 <@Corydon76-home> But there are a lot of hidden costs to that
12:47 <@Catonic> there's a surplus of lawyers at the moment tho
12:47 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: in general, or a specific kind of lawyer?
12:47 <@Corydon76-home> He cannot bill transportation or dry-cleaning or the printed materials that have to be submitted in triplicate to the court
12:48 <@aestetix> It was also interesting that everyone else on the committee was in a button down if not wearing a tie
12:48 <@Corydon76-home> Plus most lawyers are NOT trained in court time and have to contract that part out
12:48 <@aestetix> And I had a tshirt and a hoodie
12:49 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: the associates at a law firm I recently worked with billed their time at $175/hr.  That's in Nashville, and they took only corporate clients
12:49 <@Corydon76-home> The principal of the firm billed his time at $250/hr
12:49 <@Corydon76-home> Unless he had to go to court, in which case it was $400/hr
12:50 <@Corydon76-home> It's also worth noting that's merely income for the firm, and it has a lot of expenses, like rent and security infrastructure
12:50 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: and what's a typical programmer rate?
12:51 <@Corydon76-home> Here in Nashville, typical consulting rate for any computer consulting is $150/hr during business hours
12:51 <@Corydon76-home> That's also what I charge for programming from the comfort of my home office
12:53 <@Corydon76-home> If I'm required to be on-site, or if I have to be there during off-hours, I may increase it somewhat, mostly as an attempt to get them to work with me during normal business hours.
12:59 <@Corydon76-home> I think I've quoted $200/hr in the past for work that is required to be performed at night or on the weekend.
13:03 <@Corydon76-home> I believe some people quote $225/hr (being time-and-a-half from the standard billing rate)
13:22 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: ever encountered guys who have funny bends in their penises?
13:22 <@Bahhumbug> Why don't you just go hang out in a gay bar and ask?
13:22 <@aestetix> like a cock elbow
13:22 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers.
13:22 <@Mirage> Bahhumbug: no shit
13:22 <@Bahhumbug> Frankly this fucking trolling is getting annoying.
13:23 <@Bahhumbug> I used to think you amusing.  Now you're just an annoyance.
13:23 -!- aestetix was kicked from #se2600 by Mirage [How many times does Corydon76-home have to tell you "after work hours"?]
13:23 -!- aestetix [~aestetix@173.203.197.247] has joined #se2600
13:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o aestetix] by ChanServ
13:26 <@Bahhumbug> I was gonna punt him to #gaybar but someone already owns it.
13:35 <@Mirage> Quality could be better, but this is pretty interesting.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GWTBsNlvL0
13:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Burning Gas Crater Of Darvaza: The Door to Hell - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:36 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.137.235] has joined #se2600
13:39 <@shapr> yay morning?
13:39 <@shapr> dang, it's afternoon
13:41 <@aestetix> so the next fauxminist thing is about to happen
13:42 <@aestetix> https://twitter.com/shanley/status/464811276422901760
13:42 <@aestetix> they are waging war on snapchat
13:44 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3]
13:45 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600
13:45 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
13:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
13:52 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
13:54 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
13:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
13:59 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
13:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixak] by ChanServ
14:00 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
14:07 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
14:13 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:17 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:19 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:22 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:22 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:23 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:25 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:28 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:30 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:30 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:32 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.137.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
14:34 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:35 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:35 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
14:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ
14:38 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:38 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.137.235] has joined #se2600
14:39 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:42 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:43 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:46 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:47 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:48 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:50 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:53 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:54 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:56 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:57 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
14:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
15:00 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
15:01 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
15:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
15:04 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:05 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qekiyqlzfodnwsbt] has joined #se2600
16:05 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qekiyqlzfodnwsbt] has quit [Changing host]
16:05 -!- klixa [uid861@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600
16:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
16:05 -!- klixa [uid861@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Changing host]
16:05 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qekiyqlzfodnwsbt] has joined #se2600
16:05 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by wilhelm.freenode.net
16:06 <@oddball> looks like klixa is still having connection issues.
16:06 <@klixa> yeah
16:06 <@klixa> im using a hotspot and its kinda far form me
16:06 <@oddball> Ah.... yeah... that'll do it.
16:06 <@klixa> its weird tho, it stays connected and shows full bars but net, torrents, irc all stop
16:06 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3]
16:06 <@klixa> beter than no net tho :)
16:09 <@oddball> You travelling, or is this your current normal connection?
16:21 <@klixa> oddball: for now, current normal connection
16:21 <@oddball> bah... suck.
16:21 <@klixa> its only for a few weeks... i need to pay a deposit and like past bill from 10 years ago to get net :/
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: you should get one of these:  http://smile.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-PicoStation-2-4GHz-802-11g-Access/dp/B0055PKSG6/
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> I can walk around the property and get full signal everywhere.
16:28 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: im using a public hotspot; the only thing i can control is my reception...not the broadcast
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> Get a pringles can antenna, then
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> Or other directional
16:29 <@klixa> thats what they are called...i kept trying to google it yesterday and kept getting the same kinda of thing you linked
16:29  * klixa googles directional antennas
16:30 <@Mirage> www.pringles.com
16:30 <@Mirage> =)
16:31 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: the current antenna is likely omnidirectional
16:31 <@Corydon76-home> btw, the unit I just linked can be used in repeater mode.
16:32 <@klixa> i can only put it maybe 5 feet closer than i already am tho
16:35 <@Corydon76-home> Ah
16:38 <@benthemeek> Klixa: Curious does it make a difference if you are on your balcony or with the window open?
16:38 <@benthemeek> (IE: no glass between you and the AP)
16:39 <@klixa> benthemeek: it doesnt seem to affect it
16:39 <@klixa> i havent gone on the balcony tho
16:39 <@klixa> i found where the hotspot comes from tho last night
16:40 <@benthemeek> There is this coating on some glass I have read that really messes with wifi signals
16:40 <@klixa> theres a map that says where its at, but like i walked by the building when i went to the grocery store...its 300 feet from me aprox
16:40 <@benthemeek> Yeah sounds like you need a cantanea
16:40 <@klixa> well, i will sit out on the balcony later and see how it acts...but its been raining lately (no, it wasnt raining the first few days when signal still had issuues)
16:41 <@klixa> i can put the cantenna outside on balcony and aim it at towards wifi source
16:42 <@benthemeek> but as you  built in wireless  doesnt have an external port to plug an antanea into I would imagine. You could make a  hemisphere out of alluminum foil and sit inside it... :P
16:43 <@klixa> i hve external antennas somewhere
16:43 <@klixa> and usb ones
16:43 <@klixa> i have a bag of stuff like that, i should be able to find something to use
16:43  * benthemeek imagines the days of rabbit ears on tv sets wrapped in aluminum foil and snickers
16:43 <@klixa> i alwyas used a safety pin in tv's
16:44 <@klixa> i would take a wire, wrap it around a saftey pin and stick the safety pin into the coax jck thing
16:44 <@klixa> i started doing that when i was 7...no idea where i got that idea
16:44 <@benthemeek> I wish I had actually learned the physics behind antenna design actually. I bet Hams do
16:45 <@klixa> hams know nothing...hams are food :|
16:45 <@benthemeek> :|
16:45 <@klixa> i imagune you could read about antennas and know the physics by the end of today
16:46 <@benthemeek> I grew up without a television but I did some pretty weird things to pick up far away FM radio stations as a kid
16:46 <@benthemeek> Had to hear my "Adventures on Oddessy"
16:47 <@klixa> lol
16:47 <@klixa> art bell is the only radio thing i listend to really
16:47 <@klixa> i was up all night and bored...i wish i had net bac then
16:47 <@benthemeek> I listened to him every now and then
16:48 <@klixa> i also called radio stations
16:48 <@benthemeek> Nothing like aliens etc to help you stay awake
16:48 <@klixa> and sometimes i would call random wrong numbers
16:48 <@klixa> the peson who helped me move to MTSU was someone i met by calling a random number
16:48 <@klixa> its amazing i wasnt murdered
16:48 <@Mirage> Doctor Demento!
16:50 <@klixa> benthemeek: i have Firefly now... im going to finally watcg it....after all these years of people telling me to watch it
16:50 <@klixa> it better not suck
16:50 <@brimstone> you can watch all of firefly in a day
16:50 <@brimstone> 12 hours i think?
16:50 <@brimstone> 11.5 or something
16:51 <@brimstone> don't start now, start first thing tomorrow morning
16:51 <@klixa> i NEVER watch stuff in the morning
16:51 <@klixa> and why woudl i wanna watch them all in one day
16:51 <@brimstone> cuz they're that good
16:52 <@klixa> i dont have netflix personality disorder
16:52 <@Bahhumbug> You're going to want to marathon them.
16:52  * benthemeek nods
16:52 <@Bahhumbug> Once you start you will find it hard to stop anyway.
16:53 <@benthemeek> I dont know the first is sort of dry but after the train robbery its all you can to do not to stop
16:53 <@klixa> i just asked n8 if he has watched it, and he was like "yeah it sucks" :/
16:54 <@Bahhumbug> n8, whoemever he is, has no taste.
16:54 <@klixa> lol
16:54 <@benthemeek> This is a person of whom you repects opinion on entertainment?
16:55 <@klixa> no, this is the person i was gonna hev watch them with me
16:55 <@klixa> have*
16:56 <@benthemeek> Well I can speak for no others but my favorite all time shows: Firefly, startrek, Terminator: The sarah connor chronicles
16:56 <@benthemeek> Star Trek maybe cheating but I like just about all of them equally :P
16:58 <@klixa> did you see Terra Nova
16:58 <@klixa> i liked it, but they cancelled it
16:58 <@benthemeek> I managed 3 or 4 episodes but never finished it
16:58 <@Corydon76-home> It was good for about the first 4 shows and then it went downhill
16:58 <@benthemeek> Unless I can do the marathon thing I dont really watch tv much now-a-days
16:59 <@Corydon76-home> The pilot had a lot of promise, but they took a story that could have been good and stretched it out way too long
16:59 <@klixa> i think part of why it went downhill was because it was gonna be cancelled so they squuezed a bunch of stuff into fewer eps than originally intended...or maybe they just had a very bad writer/planner i dunno
16:59 <@benthemeek> Yeah the teenage angst was a bit much
16:59 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: that's not the reason.
17:00 <@klixa> ok
17:01 <@Corydon76-home> The way the shows go, they have the creator who writes the pilot and comes up with the overall story arc.  And then, the show is handed over to a showrunner, whose job it is to ensure that story arc lasts the entire season
17:01 <@benthemeek> Anyone know what is wrong with this syntax in bash?     if [[ ! -d "$IncomingHistory/$datefolder/$hourfolder"]]
17:01 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: ok if thats hwo they work then the showrunner sucked
17:01 <@Corydon76-home> That's why you get all that other crap that is mostly recycled stories from previous TV shows
17:01 <@Mirage> benthemeek: missing space before ]]
17:02 <@benthemeek> Dude, you are my hero. I was pulling my hair out
17:02 <@klixa> i tried to watch under the dome and that other show wit teh terrfaromed earth and aliens...coudlnt get into eother one
17:02 <@benthemeek> ty kind sir
17:02 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: you don't want to double up the '['/']', as well
17:02 <@klixa> that was it
17:03 <@klixa> Defiance
17:03 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: i was about to comment on that..but then realised that it may be overkill, but it shouldn't break it
17:03 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, but it'll also make it less portable
17:03 <@Mirage> true
17:03 <@benthemeek> I dont understand the difference between the [ and [[
17:04 <@benthemeek> I just heard it was best to do both in practice
17:04 <@Corydon76-home> "[" is portable.  "[[" is a bash-ism
17:04 <@benthemeek> ahhhh
17:04 <@Mirage> doubles are mostly only needed when doing booleans or evaluating multiple statements.
17:04 <@Corydon76-home> "[" is actually shorthand for the "test" command and the "]" is simply added for balance
17:05 <@Mirage> if you do anything with && or || you have to use double
17:05 <@Corydon76-home> So in configure statements, you'll actually see the word "test" used, instead, because it's more portable
17:07 <@benthemeek> nods
17:08 <@Bahhumbug> Or you can stuff it all inside the '[' / ']' using -a (and) and -o (or)
17:08 <@benthemeek> around here everything it mostly written in ksh
17:08 <@Corydon76-home> Right, which is why you ought to avoid bash-isms as much as possible
17:09 <@benthemeek> I know you are right... but I hate using ksh
17:09 <@benthemeek> :P
17:09 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: [[ is also required in tcsh/csh
17:11 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: are you sure?  I'm not seeing its use documented in the original csh.
17:12 <@Mirage> I was first introduced to it writing shell code on FreeBSD ages ago (4.2-4.3) in csh
17:14 <@Bahhumbug> [[/]] vs [/] was one of the porting issues when moving crap from bsd to sane platforms years ago if memory serves.
17:14 <@Corydon76-home> Ah.  FreeBSD used tcsh, not the original csh.
17:15 <@Mirage> Yeah, they called the shell csh, but it was really tcsh
17:15 <@Corydon76-home> Unless you worked on Solaris or another commercial Unix system, you probably weren't exposed to the original csh
17:15 <@Corydon76-home> and even then, a lot of commercial Unix systems went with Korn shell, instead.
17:15 <@Bahhumbug> 4.3 / 4.4 both carried standard csh
17:15 <@Mirage> When i think solaris, i think ksh
17:16 <@Corydon76-home> C shell used parentheses for conditionals
17:17 <@Mirage> Bahhumbug: if memory serves, the default "csh" was a simlink to the "tcsh" binary back then
17:17 <@Corydon76-home> Yep
17:18 <@Corydon76-home> Or a hard link, possibly
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> I can't confirm; it's possible I guess.  I didn't think tcsh was even out in 4.3 days.
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> And I can't imagine Berkeley defaulting to it.
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm, 4.3 was '87.
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> So perhaps it was out.
17:18 <@Corydon76-home> Why not?  It was designed to use a lot of the same syntax as C itself
17:19 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: FreeBSD 4.3, not BSD 4.3
17:19 <@Bahhumbug> Because Berkeley was anal?
17:19 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, who cares about *bsd.
17:19 <@Corydon76-home> FreeBSD project was only started in 1993.
17:19 <@Bahhumbug> I was talking 4.3 straight from CSRG.
17:19 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, but Mirage was talking about FreeBSD
17:20 <@Bahhumbug> I purposely forget that *bsd even exists.
17:20 <@Bahhumbug> I really only care about platforms people actually use :)
17:20 <@Corydon76-home> Why?  All 3 projects are still around
17:20 <@Bahhumbug> Not for long.
17:20 <@Corydon76-home> Okay, so that narrows it to 2 projects (open and free)
17:20 <@Mirage> /bin/csh, /bin/tcsh: tcsh(-6.10.00 on FreeBSD4.3, -6.11.00 on 4.5, -6.12.00 on 4.7), root login shell per default
17:21 <@Mirage> http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/shells/
17:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: various system shells (at www.in-ulm.de)
17:21 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: supposdly csh to tcsh became a hardlink w/ FreeBSD 5.x
17:23 <@Corydon76-home> I wasn't using FreeBSD in the 5-7 days
17:24 <@Corydon76-home> I'm currently in the process of upgrading an 8.3 box to 8.4
17:24 <@Mirage> Yeah, I saw the EOL a few days ago.
17:25 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, and they promptly broke ports for 8.3
17:25 <@Corydon76-home> Which I needed to be fixed in order to fix openssl
17:27 <@Corydon76-home> I'm rather annoyed that their LTS option is only 2 years long
17:28 <@Mirage> have a good weekend...i just got told i can go home..=)
17:31 <@Corydon76-home> Yay
17:32 <@Dagmar> This is good.  Wildstar is *very* polished
17:33 <@Dagmar> Finally someone's bringing both 1) a quality MMORPG out and 2) not trying to make a fucking clone of WoW
17:37 <@oddball> Damn shame it's put out by NCSoft.  Fuck them.
17:37 <@Dagmar> Yeah I would normally agree
17:38 <@Dagmar> Carbine was taking so long I figured I'd look into it and Wildstar is _very_ polished
17:38 <@Dagmar> ...although they're seriously taking a page from Firefly's book in the way the exile faction behaves
17:39 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mr3ur7EWLU
17:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: WildStar Faction Reveal: Exiles [HD] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:40 -!- rhia [~rhia@50.106.41.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
17:40 <@Dagmar> You'll get a kick out of one of the comments when they're detailing the races on that side.  Heh
17:42 <@oddball> Looks like fun, but... again... fuck NCSoft.
17:42 <@Dagmar> They've got Pandaria-quality graphics everywhere
17:42 <@Dagmar> Good thing Blizzards upping the ante this winter
17:42 <@oddball> And I'm glad someone's making a not-WoW clone, 'cause, honestly, there's a lot that can be improved with WoW.
17:44 <@oddball> bwahahaha: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/citizen-pulls-drunken-cop-locks-cruiser/
17:53 -!- rhia [~rhia@50.106.40.233] has joined #se2600
17:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rhia] by ChanServ
18:02 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:09 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.137.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
18:40 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, fuck:  http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/9/5699958/federal-court-overturns-google-v-oracle
18:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Federal court overturns Google v. Oracle decision, setting disastrous precedent | The Verge (at www.theverge.com)
18:42 <@Bahhumbug> That's an understatement.
18:42 <@Bahhumbug> Wonder how much many got put into that judge's pockets.
18:48 < RangerZ1> nah
18:49 < RangerZ1> never blame corruption when being incompetent can work just as well
18:50 <@Bahhumbug> This is Oracle.  They have deep pockets and billions to be made off this.
18:51 < RangerZ1> well, if you think GPL3 is valid, then interfaces are copyrightable
18:51 < RangerZ1> thats the entire point of 3, so that you can't compile against (use the api of) GPL3 code without making your code gpl3
18:51 <@Bahhumbug> Is Java gpl3?
18:52 < RangerZ1> no, but the idea that APIs are copyrightable is the fundamental basis of GPL3 (the way I think about it at least)
18:53 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, so it doesn't come into this at all, then.
18:56 < RangerZ1> i disagree, I consider linkers, and all that as nothing but APIs (hell even machine code can be considered an API) , so the point of GPL3 is that you can't use an API of a GPL3 copyrighted program b/c they "own" that API, which is the same argument of Oracle
18:57 < RangerZ1> I actually think both are bogus
18:59 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600
19:10 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:24 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:29 <@Corydon76-home> I don't think GPL3 actually argues that the API is copyrightable, only the particular implementation of that API
19:30 <@Corydon76-home> This idea that APIs are copyrightable is entirely new, arising from the Oracle case alone, and the existence of the GPL3 predates Oracle's argument in this case.
19:31 <@Corydon76-home> The appeals court did, however, suggest that while the API is copyrightable, the use of them with a different implementation may constitute fair use, which means a lack of infringement.
19:33 <@Corydon76-home> The district court should be able to demonstrate that the total lines of the API constitute less than 10% of the work, which is the statutory amount below which fair use is possible.
19:49 <@Bahhumbug> How can that be a tangible quantity given that APIs change over time.
19:49 <@Bahhumbug> (Not arguing, I am actually quite curious how a 10% figure could be applied in this context.)
20:33 <@NotLarry> ok, taking an Oculus Rift on a roller coaster to get the "real" feal of a roller coaster may be the most dumbest thing ever.
20:37 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:40 <@Dagmar>  Yes but a "real" roller-coaster can't be made of boobies
21:02 <@Bahhumbug> heh
21:09 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
21:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ
21:19 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:19 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
21:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ
21:24 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
22:08 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Quit: womp womp]
22:21 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600
22:24 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
22:25 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600
22:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ
22:44 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600
22:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ
22:47 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
22:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ
23:23 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:24 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
23:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ
23:28 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
23:35 -!- rhia [~rhia@50.106.40.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
23:47 -!- rhia [~rhia@50.106.40.233] has joined #se2600
23:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rhia] by ChanServ
--- Log closed Sat May 10 00:00:51 2014