--- Log opened Wed May 07 00:00:49 2014
00:12 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/fEdCLcd.jpg
00:12 < aestetix> Dagmar: you'll appreciate that
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01:03 <@Dagmar> heheh
01:10 < aestetix> So I have an idea I'm gonna try to get occupy oakland to do
01:10 < aestetix> that may wind up making national press
01:12 <@Dagmar> Oh dear
01:12 <@Dagmar> You're going to have them all shave, wash their hair, dress tidily, and use deodorant?
01:12 < aestetix> hahahah
01:12 < aestetix> no
01:13 < aestetix> Twitter has become sort of a symbol for everything bad with the current bubble
01:13 < aestetix> The made the city change the tax law, they are pushing away the homeless, they are not bringing more money to the city, and the product doesn't actually do anything beneficial.
01:14 < aestetix> So I think it would be fun to set up a renegade soup kitchen right in front of Twitter headquarters.
01:14 < aestetix> Gonna talk with some occupy oakland folks on thursday about it
01:16 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure that's really going to accomplish anything useful
01:16 < aestetix> Sure it will.
01:16 <@Dagmar> You'll get some people lunch.
01:16 < aestetix> It's hilarious, gets the occupiers arrested, and makes the police and twitter look bad
01:17 < aestetix> I can't wait to see photos of the police taking food away from homeless people and throwing it into the trash, with the twitter logo in the background
01:19 <@Dagmar> Problem
01:19 < aestetix> what
01:19 <@Dagmar> The use of the image you have in mind would be disingenuous at best
01:19 < aestetix> oh?
01:19 <@Dagmar> This is supervillany dude
01:19 <@Dagmar> No one involved would be wanting that to happen
01:19 <@Dagmar> Yet you would have created the situation whereby it would happen
01:21 <@Dagmar> Make them go badger the city about setting up more soup kitchens
01:22 <@Dagmar> You could do more "damage" with footage explaining in detail the number of roadblocks that need to be overcome _just to feed some people_
01:22 < aestetix> heh
01:22 < aestetix> on that note, I am going to bed
01:22 < aestetix> also, vagina
01:22 <@Corydon76-home> Nah, I agree with aestetix, as long as he manages to get some photojournalists to show up
01:23 <@Corydon76-home> If no journalists, no story
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03:06 <@RangerZ> so apparently there is a law in NJ that if ANY smart gun is ever sold in the USA
03:06 <@RangerZ> that NJ cops have to within 3 years... switch to all smart guns
03:07 <@RangerZ> so thats why NRA is against smart guns ever being sold
03:07 <@RangerZ> I've NEVER wanted to open a gun store before...
03:08 <@RangerZ> I'd open it and only sell the 1 smart gun, and maybe shotguns and rifles
03:09 <@RangerZ> so that "let cops use it for 5 years before I'll put it on my gun" argument go out the window... LOL
03:10 <@RangerZ> actually I think its stupid for that NJ law to exist, the law should be that when the NJ dept. of safety has certified that the gun is secure and reliable... that they have 3 years to fully switch
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03:32 <@RangerZ> also... FUCK the Koch brothers... they DO NOT get to fucking mess with the Columbus, Ohio Zoo... which is a fucking national treasure... Ohio Zoo is thankfully north enough to be able to house both Summer AND Winter animals in close to their national habitats... (And you can see them) So they paid to have fucking lying fliers mailed out saying that property taxes would go up 105%... when it was the "zoo portion" of the tax would go up 105%
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03:34 <@RangerZ> the anger I have right now (because it was barely defeated, b/c otherwise I would be mailing a gloating letter to AFP) is so fucking much right now... I .... UGHHHH
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04:22 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: wilpig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T368fZkmjLQ hows this as an intro guide?
04:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Gnomoria Beginners Tutorial - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
04:22 <@RangerZ> b/c honestly I started it up... and was like... "Wtf do I do "
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07:40 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:29  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:30  * Shadow404 kicks aestetix 
08:30 <@Shadow404> did u seek help yet?
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08:36 <@wilpig> what's he getting help for?
08:45 <@Shadow404> generally being aestetix
08:46 <@wilpig> I don't think that's a treatable condition
08:47 <@Shadow404> agreed, uts like herpes, never really goes away
08:47 < RangerZ1> they might have made a breakthrough on that recently actually
08:47 < RangerZ1> so there is hope yet for aestetix
08:47 <@Shadow404> which strain?
08:48 <@Shadow404> cold sores or genitals?
08:48 < RangerZ1> not sure, I only read the title , I think it was the family, a 'better' understanding
08:48 < RangerZ1> which includes both
08:49 <@Shadow404> majority of u.s. has cold sores
08:49 < RangerZ1> same with HPV
08:49 < RangerZ1> but you can't test males, only females
08:50 <@Shadow404> did not know that
08:50 < RangerZ1> yeah
08:50 <@Shadow404> so u could carry and not know?
08:50 < RangerZ1> you probably ARE carrying
08:51 < RangerZ1> its over 50%
08:51 < RangerZ1> of US adults
08:51 <@Shadow404> yeah, true
08:59 <@SuMo_D> Did any of you guys ever get into Second Life (or still into it?)
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09:04 <@wilpig> SuMo_D: I mocked it a great deal, does that count?
09:04 <@SuMo_D> lol - yes... it does... I did too
09:05 <@SuMo_D> I'm watching a documentary on people obsessed with it...
09:05 <@RangerZ> some people make their living off of it
09:05 <@RangerZ> selling shoes in game
09:05 <@SuMo_D> yeah
09:05 <@RangerZ> i was kinda amazed at that
09:05 <@SuMo_D> I've heard that for years
09:05 <@SuMo_D> and wondering if its still true
09:06 <@RangerZ> probably only the top 1% of players or something
09:06 <@RangerZ> it cant support THAT many people
09:06 <@SuMo_D> yeah, now that the world is populated
09:06 <@RangerZ> thats what gold farming for wow, so wilpig can buy the gold is for
09:06 <@RangerZ> hehe
09:06 <@SuMo_D> I had a guy ask me to go on a date in second life once
09:08 <@SuMo_D> I went in once check it out but I couldn't really figure out the interface
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09:08 <@SuMo_D> like you could fly around... but I didn't really get what to do with it
09:09 <@Corydon76-home> It's basically the ability to build a life when you're stuck in a dead end job in the real world
09:10 <@SuMo_D> it seems like the adult minecraft to me
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09:21 < aestetix> oh boy
09:21 < aestetix> can you all wait for Google Classroom?
09:21 < aestetix> http://www.google.com/edu/classroom/
09:22 <@Corydon76-home> I can't wait until Burger King delivers to my area, because I'm not lazy enough yet.  https://bkdelivers.com/
09:24 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: that sounds like the people in texas who get in their cars and drive 15 feet to the mailbox
09:25 <@Mirage> lol.. http://www.lfgcomic.com/tda/strip/12/
09:25 <@RangerZ> Corydon76-home: actually a fast food delivery is a great business plan, a guy I know back home did it, he would get ...15% or something, 10minimum fee... and he'd go pick up lunch for companies, etc
09:26 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: I'm not saying it's not a good business plan.  I'm saying that it's an indicator for laziness.
09:28 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: What's wrong with the bot this morning?
09:29 <@Mirage> RangerZ: Some cab companies will do that for people.  Friend of mine's dad drove a taxi and had a couple shut-ins who regularly called in orders for fast food deliveries.
09:30 <@Bahhumbug> http://google.com
09:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google (at google.com)
09:30 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.lfgcomic.com/tda/strip/12/
09:30 <@RangerZ> Bahhumbug: little late, lol
09:31 <@RangerZ> Mirage: beat ya to it, lol
09:31 <@Bahhumbug> I don't care about the link.  I'm testing the bot on a url that previously failed.
09:31 <@RangerZ> ahh
09:31 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix is and will remain ignored by the bot; I don't need his shit in my logs.
09:32 <@Mirage> RangerZ: beat me to responding to you?
09:32 <@Bahhumbug> Mirage's url (the one just above) failed due to a unicode issue.
09:32 <@RangerZ> nvm, I thought he was posting the url for 'shiggles'
09:33 <@Mirage> Bahhumbug: I'm glad to hear that the bot dislikes the reformatted LFG site as well.
09:33 <@Bahhumbug> There are underlying unicode issues with this particular instance of the bot.  I strongly suspect that is the only reason it didn't spit a url title.
09:34 <@Bahhumbug> I've had it on my list of things to fix but I need to push a new package and I'm far to lazy on my off-hours to deal with it.
09:34 <@Bahhumbug> s/to lazy/too lazy/
09:35 < aestetix> you know, the title can also serve as a warning to people not to click on links
09:36 <@Bahhumbug> The fact that it came from you is really all the warning that one needs.
09:36 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: so is it also ignoring links from me?
09:36 <@Bahhumbug> No.
09:36 <@Bahhumbug> There are underlying unicode issues with this particular instance of the bot.  I strongly suspect that is the only reason it didn't spit a url title.
09:37 <@Bahhumbug> If you get a title be happy.  If you don't *shrug*.
09:37 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, it missed 3 in a row.  I figured that was a sign something was wrong.
09:37 <@Bahhumbug> @channel ignore list #se2600
09:37 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: '*!~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival', '*!~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone', and 'aestetix!*@*'
09:37 <@Corydon76-home> What's the bot coded in, anyway?
09:37 < aestetix> heh
09:37 <@Bahhumbug> I don't remember why brimstone is on there.
09:37 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm.
09:37 < aestetix> @channel ignore list #se2600
09:38 <@Bahhumbug> @channel ignore remove *!~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone
09:38 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command
09:38 <@Bahhumbug> I don't recall adding that.  Strange.
09:38 < aestetix> @channel ignore remove aestetix
09:38 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah.  Like that's going to work.
09:38 <@Bahhumbug> You're ignored.
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09:38 < notaestetix> @channel ignore remove aestetix
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09:39 < aestetix> oh well
09:39 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: If it's a language I know, I might volunteer to work out the Unicode issues
09:39 <@Bahhumbug> It's python.
09:40 <@Bahhumbug> The issue is that the bot was in-placed upgraded btetween supybot-gribble and my packaged supybot-limnoria.
09:40 <@Bahhumbug> The issue is not in the backing code, it's in the configuration for _this_ particular instance.
09:40 <@Corydon76-home> Ah
09:41 <@Bahhumbug> I just need to spin up a new instance, migrate data, rename and be done with it.
09:41 <@Bahhumbug> I re-added it to the todo list.
09:41 <@Bahhumbug> It will get done sometime before 2038.
09:41 <@Corydon76-home> BTW, my new AP serves the hammock perfectly:  http://smile.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-PicoStation-2-4GHz-802-11g-Access/dp/B0055PKSG6
09:42 <@Corydon76-home> Despite the description, it does all 3 b/g/n
09:44 <@Corydon76-home> Top distance rated at 32.5 miles (outdoors)
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10:20 <@shapr> good morning?
10:26 <@Corydon76-home> You sound like you're uncertain
10:26 <@wilpig> we're slowly chipping away at his happy side and bringing him back down to earth with the rest of us
10:27 < aestetix> shapr: do you want it to be a good morning?
10:28 <@shapr> sure
10:29 < aestetix> You could probably make it happy with a few msgs with Corydon76-home
10:30 <@Corydon76-home> Leave me out of this
10:30 < aestetix> ok maybe wilpig is available
10:31 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: does that Ubiquiti management software always need to be running, or is it just used for configuration?
10:32 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: it's just used for configuration
10:32 <@Corydon76-home> It's actually running Linux under the covers
10:33 <@Corydon76-home> and uses a POE injection kit, so you could run an installation entirely with centralized POE.
10:35 <@Mirage> I don't see anything in the datasheets about VLAN support.   I saw that it has Guest configuration options.  Do you know if supports VLAN tagging?
10:35 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, it does
10:36 <@Mirage> Yeah, I saw the PoE injector.   That's one bitch I had about the Cisco I've got...the injector is separate because they expect you to use a switch with PoE.
10:36 <@Corydon76-home> On the Network tab, you have to enable Advanced mode to see the VLAN Network section.
10:36 <@Mirage> Of course even the PoE switches are only capable until you buy the additional external power supply.
10:37 <@Corydon76-home> They do warn you that the unit is only for "professional" installers.
10:38 <@Corydon76-home> Which basically means they're not going to hand-hold the morons
10:38 <@Mirage> yeah..it's pretty hard to determine which wire you have connected to the switch and which goes to the AP.   Only a profession can trace the cables properly.
10:38 <@Corydon76-home> But if you want to, you can disable the automatic mode and manually enter the antenna gain and cable loss
10:39 <@Mirage> Wait..which is for professionals.."Advanced Mode" or the PoE injector?
10:40 <@Corydon76-home> Also, the unit arrives by default configured for infrastructure mode.  You have to turn off their "AirMAX" tech in order to use it with laptops and cell phones
10:40 <@Corydon76-home> The whole unit is for professional installers
10:41 <@Corydon76-home> Ubiquiti is designed for the business market, not the home market
10:41 <@Dagmar> I just uncircled someone today because they're a fuckinng vlogger
10:41 <@Dagmar> I can't wait to hear them wail "WHY DID YOU UNCIRCLE ME?"
10:41 <@Corydon76-home> Also by default, it's in Station mode instead of AP mode
10:42 <@Dagmar> My answer is going to be "your meaningless drivel is affecting my pagerank"
10:42 <@Dagmar> ;)
10:42 <@wilpig> straight from NYC  I bring you "we're having WHAT for lunch?!"
10:42 <@wilpig> Today we're having Chinese Soul for lunch.
10:42 <@wilpig> Here is a peek at the menu...
10:42 <@wilpig> General Soul's Wangz
10:42 <@wilpig> Jerk veggie lo mein
10:42 <@wilpig> Mac & Cheese
10:42 <@wilpig> Brown Sugar BBQ Pork
10:42 <@wilpig> Chocolate Brownie Egg Rolls
10:42 <@wilpig> Garden Salad
10:42 <@Mirage> I'm pretty suprised by the pricing.   As a general rule, I don't take hardware too seriously when I see "Enterprise" and a price under $300
10:43 <@brimstone> Jerk vegie lo mein
10:43 <@brimstone> Garden Salad
10:43 <@Dagmar> Not a "tossed salad"?
10:43 <@wilpig> brownie egg roll.  WTF?
10:44 <@wilpig> I also asked what kinda fucked up chinese place is this?
10:44 <@Dagmar> Southwest Asian Fusion
10:45 < aestetix> what is a brownie egg roll
10:45 < aestetix> that sounds disgusting
10:45 <@Dagmar> It's a piece of brownie wrapped in eggroll and deep-fried probably
10:51 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: They also have a "EdgeMAX" router for under $100 (though only 3 ports for that config)
11:18 <@shapr> aestetix: You forget that I desire only female attention.
11:20 <@rattle> Dolemite: I've got folks in your neck of the woods today attending some doe security conference.  Got any food recommendations I should make to them for Oak Ridge?
11:23 <@wilpig> the caffeteria
11:23 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFeoS41xe7w
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11:24 <@wilpig> rattle: he's actually off at the xenobiological sample cold storage facility right now as well
11:27 <@Mirage> rattle: Ghengis Grill =)
11:28 <@wilpig> lol
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11:35 < eryc> but do they have brownie egg rolls
11:41 <@Dolemite> rattle : The Other One - Diner, Deli & Dive
11:42 <@Dolemite> Best burgers around
11:44 <@shapr> Man, I haven't visited ORNL in years
12:03 < nachoguy> "General Soul's Wangz"
12:05 <@shapr> I attended ORNL the first two years after it was created.
12:07 <@Dolemite> Uh, how old are you?
12:08 <@shapr> Now you have to guess :-P
12:08 <@shapr> no no, ORNL-AU
12:08 <@shapr> associated universities
12:08 <@Dolemite> ORAU is quite different from ORNL
12:09 < aestetix> Dolemite: 13
12:09 <@shapr> Dolemite: it wasn't so different the first year or two :-P
12:10 <@shapr> I had some really smart teachers, and some of them were even good at teaching!
12:12 <@Dolemite> Well if you were here when ORNL was created and you were born that day, you would be 71 years old.
12:13 <@shapr> I'm not that old
12:13 <@Dolemite> ok, off to lunch
12:15 < Catonic_> I'm not that young.
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12:46 <@wilpig> Eggroll brownie.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/krpi5mooccbeft5/photo1.jpg
12:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - photo1.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
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13:44 <@Mirage> wilpig: i thnk that would be better if it were served hot and a'la mode
13:49 <@wilpig> http://meanwhileathq.tumblr.com/post/85032844660/hoenr-whatkiiixfishlikeson-mengxilu
13:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Meanwhile... at HQ... — hoenr: whatkiiixfishlikeson: mengxilu: ... (at meanwhileathq.tumblr.com)
14:06 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: any tips for handling unwelcome morning wood?
14:07 <@Corydon76-home> A sharp pair of tin snips should take care of that problem.
14:07 <@Corydon76-home> Just make sure you cut close to the root.
14:08  * benthemeek snorts with laughter
14:10 < aestetix> Wait, does that mean you can't get hard if you have no testicles?
14:10 < aestetix> Can you still get horny?
14:10 <@Bahhumbug> How does his statement equate to "no testicles"?
14:11 < aestetix> Oh wait, you mean the dong part.
14:12 < aestetix> I wonder if you could get a phantom boner.
14:13 <@Bahhumbug> Cut it off and find out?
14:13 < aestetix> Well it makes logical sense.
14:14 < aestetix> The same way that someone who has his arm amputated could get an itch on his no longer elbow
14:14 < aestetix> In fact, that could make the problem worse. Phantom morning wood.
14:17 < aestetix> Well that seemed to grind everything to a halt. No pun intended.
14:17 <@Corydon76-home> I agree with Bahhumbug.  You should cut it off and see.
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14:26 <@Dagmar> aestetix: You know what makes that stop?  Being dead.
14:27 <@Dagmar> aestetix: It's at once nature's little "POST test" as well as a strong suggestion that it's time to get out of bed and look for a breeding partner.
14:27 < aestetix> wait
14:27 < aestetix> I thought being dead gave you post mortem wood
14:27 <@Dagmar> No, that's just something idiots say.
14:27 <@oddball> If it bothers you that much, just lop it off.
14:28 <@Dagmar> (behold my great diplomacy!)
14:28 <@Dagmar> Rigor mortis affects muscle tissue.
14:28 <@oddball> Oh, wait... that's what started this whole thread... nevermind.
14:28 <@Dagmar> Your wang is not muscle tissue.
14:30 < nachoguy> http://imgur.com/a/jUT6w/noscript
14:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: What a bad decision looks like. Forever. - Imgur (at imgur.com)
14:31 < aestetix> nachoguy: should I click that?
14:34 <@Dagmar> That depends on how offended you are by really bad ink work.
14:36 <@Corydon76-home> The grammar fails are epic
14:36 < aestetix> Oh god.
14:36 < aestetix> The glasses
14:37 < aestetix> wow the monster guy
14:38 <@Corydon76-home> "Never don't give up"
14:39 < aestetix> you know
14:39 <@oddball> Ah... facial tats... how to tell everyone in the world "I'll never have a job beyond flipping burgers" with just a glance.
14:40 < aestetix> I realize I've said before that every under 25 should be exterminated.
14:40 < aestetix> But maybe natural selection will work that out for me.
14:41 <@oddball> aestetix: how old are you?
14:41 < aestetix> Over 25 :)
14:41 <@oddball> So... 26?
14:41 < aestetix> That is a possible interpretation.
14:42 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: That's not true.  They can also get jobs at Earthbound
14:42 <@oddball> heh
14:42 < aestetix> The game?
14:42 < nachoguy> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-koch-brothers-are-trying-to-ban-an-entire-transit-technology?trk_source=recommended
14:42 <@oddball> aestetix: chain store for hippies that shop at malls.
14:43 < aestetix> oh god
14:43 < aestetix> Is that like a spinoff of hot topic?
14:43 <@oddball> nachoguy: There's more to the story than the Koch brothers.
14:43 <@Corydon76-home> No, home decorations made in the third world
14:43 <@Corydon76-home> Only stuff I tend to buy there are made with recycled electronics boards
14:44 <@Corydon76-home> Lots of carvings, though
14:44 <@oddball> For example, a large majority of the people that actually lived on/near the proposed AMP route were against it.
14:44 < nachoguy> oddball: I'm sure
14:44 <@Corydon76-home> It's basically a shop to help cure liberal guilt.
14:45 < aestetix> So it's a trinket shop?
14:45 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: basically
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14:46 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: I'd be more in favor of a subway/train/monorail system
14:46 <@oddball> And since a large portion of the route went through rather influential areas, I'm pretty sure a number of the residents of those influential areas contacted their friends in the state legislature.
14:46 < aestetix> But isn't a mall the manifestation of everything that creates the guilt that would lead someone to buy trinkets there?
14:47 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: eh, the primary financial opposition to AMP is a car dealership
14:47 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: See, I would have been for AMP if it went down Charlotte.  It going down West End just made no sense.
14:47 <@Corydon76-home> Big surprise, there.  Someone who profits on automobile sales is opposed to a useful transit system.
14:48 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Isn't the point to connect homes with businesses?
14:48 <@oddball> I can tell you that I go through those neighborhoods often, and saw an aweful lot of "say no to AMP" signs.
14:48 < aestetix> oddball: maybe go through and put signs that say "Yes to fossil fuels" next to them.
14:48 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: AMP doesn't solve that problem
14:49 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: It was going to connect East Nashville to St. Thomas.  It would have made more sense to connect East Nashville to Nashville West.
14:50 <@Corydon76-home> I want a mass transit system based on electricity, rather than one based upon fossil fuels
14:50 <@oddball> It also would have taken out the middle turn lane on West end, and I don't see how they could add the loading/unloading platforms without removing one or more other lanes.
14:50 <@oddball> There's a section of Charlotte that would need to be expanded, but, in my opinion, needs to be expanded anyways.
14:51 <@wilpig> getting a less costly fossile fuel system in place would show it's value to the city and allow conversation for a more expensive greener solution
14:51 <@oddball> And would go through neighborhoods where there's a much higher likelyhood of people actually using the system.
14:51 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: but we already have an MTA bus system.  Why is another bus the solution to showing the cost effectiveness of that?
14:51 < aestetix> And possibly allow black people to go to neighborhoods where racist white people live
14:52 <@Corydon76-home> The Nashville STAR has already shown the cost effectiveness of a train.  Expand the train.
14:52 <@oddball> aestetix: The other road I'm talking about is the next major road over.
14:52 <@Corydon76-home> (into a subway system)
14:53 <@oddball> Yeah, I'd like a subway/rail system as well.  The big probelem is getting the real estate to build the damn thing.
14:53 <@oddball> And, unfortunately, a subway system would be rather expensive to build since it would be pretty much entirely carved out of the bedrock.
14:54 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Eminent domain is precisely how that's supposed to be done
14:54 <@oddball> Yep... that's great... and how much a fit would you throw if it happened to be your house that got taken via eminent domain?
14:55 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Same fit as if they took my house to build an interstate highway
14:56 <@oddball> I didn't say it was impossible, just that it would be a bitch to do it.
14:56 <@Corydon76-home> btw, Peaches' grandfather had that happen to him when I-40 was built
14:57 <@Corydon76-home> They also tried low-balling the property value in court, which he had a fine time disputing...
14:57 <@oddball> That's pretty standard.
14:58 <@Corydon76-home> They tried saying his property didn't have running water or electricity, so he showed the judge his shower and refrigerator
14:58 <@Corydon76-home> and then after he won in court, he helped all of his neighbors do the same.
14:59 <@oddball> good for him
15:00 <@Corydon76-home> Anyway, I'd rather Nashville build a useful subway system than spend tens of millions on AMP
15:00 <@shapr> I wish the southeast had good mass transit
15:01 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: it does.  It's just privately run.
15:01 <@shapr> taxis?
15:01 <@shapr> airplanes?
15:01 <@Corydon76-home> Greyhound
15:01 <@Corydon76-home> and Superbus
15:01 <@shapr> Doesn't get me around inside the city though
15:01 <@Corydon76-home> Hoof it
15:02 <@Corydon76-home> Or ride a bike
15:02 <@Corydon76-home> If more people walked in the southeast, we wouldn't have a massive obesity crisis
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15:03 <@oddball> I'll agree with you on that.
15:04 <@shapr> I need a geared hub for my unicycle.
15:04 < aestetix> How bad is a "crisis"?
15:04 <@oddball> That or fighting for the absolute closest parking space possible in front of a store.  It really irritates me when I'm riding with someone that hunts for 15 minutes for the closest spot.
15:04 <@shapr> aestetix: just browse the people of walmart website
15:04 < aestetix> oh god
15:04 < aestetix> that website scares me
15:05 <@shapr> oddball: public transit would help with that too
15:05 <@shapr> cars are expensive. I lived seven years without one in Sweden & Finland, I much preferred that.
15:05 <@shapr> The stockholm subway might take me two hours to get from one end of the city to the other, but I could read research papers and code during that time.
15:05 <@oddball> Yeah... unfortunately, that's not really a possibility in this town.
15:06 <@oddball> I know a couple people who don't own cars, and you know what they do? bum rides from friends.
15:06 <@shapr> Stockholm subway had a nice option where you paid $1000 a year for unlimited rides.
15:06 <@oddball> cool
15:06 <@Corydon76-home> That's not a bad price
15:07 <@Corydon76-home> I'd pay that if there was a reliable subway system in Nashville
15:08 <@shapr> All the mass transit 'season pass' options I've seen have been cheaper than buying and maintaining a car.
15:10 <@Corydon76-home> Even if you still had a car in the outskirts, the savings on parking fees alone would make that worth it
15:10 <@shapr> Yeah, I paid $500 for tickets and impound release once in Boston
15:10 <@shapr> for a car worth $1000
15:25 <@rattle> FYI peeps, hiring like mad over here.  Some remote roles available.  https://www.bit9.com/company/careers-bit9/
15:35 <@Dagmar> I'd like to see Nashville build a subway system, but in addition to limestone, there's a shitload of undocumented tunnels
15:36 <@Dagmar> Not to mention limestone's affinity for radon gas
15:37 <@wilpig> http://www.t-g.com/story/2080303.html
15:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Shelbyville Times-Gazette: Local News: Another Walls daughter testifies against mother (05/07/14) (at www.t-g.com)
16:07 < eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1sXuHnf_lo
16:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Deldo - Vibration Control and Teledildonics Mode for Emacs - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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17:04 < aestetix> hmm
17:05  * aestetix takes a look at rattle's thing
17:06 < aestetix> rattle: ugh it's windows based?
17:16 <@rattle> Bit9 console runs on Windows.  CarbonBlack on Linux.  Both support Windows, Mac, and Linux endpoints.
17:24 < aestetix> I was like wtf is SQLIO
17:24 < aestetix> then I saw it was for SQL Server.
17:24 < aestetix> So I know that there's at least one business that uses SQL Server :p
17:35 <@Corydon76-home> There are a lot of businesses on SQL Server.
17:35 <@Corydon76-home> It tends to be used for a lot of billing applications
17:36 < aestetix> What advantages does it have over mysql or postgres?
17:37 < aestetix> Or is it just "We're a microsot house. We're going to use the microsoft database."
17:37 <@Corydon76-home> It has a pretty interface that idiot managers can point to.
17:37 <@oddball> What advantage does MS-SQL server have?  It's made by MS and not free.
17:37 <@oddball> Seriously... a lot of businesses will dismiss something out of hand if it's free/cheep.
17:37 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: btw, you know that SQL Server wasn't even originally written in-house by Microsoft, right?
17:38 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: given their history, that's not surprising.
17:38 <@Corydon76-home> They didn't even BUY another company.  They licensed a copy from Sybase.
17:38 <@Dagmar> I can't think of anything they actually developed in-house first
17:38 < aestetix> Including DOS
17:38 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Windows
17:39 <@rattle> W8's metro interface!  :)
17:39 < aestetix> god
17:39 <@Corydon76-home> Later.  I have to go outside and fawn over Peaches' new car.
17:39 < aestetix> Actually, can SQL Server do things like explain?
17:39 < aestetix> or created nested indexes
17:40 <@rattle> MSSQL isn't actually that bad.  It's good a good toolset.  Performance is decent.  Configuration, tuning, clustering, etc..  All fairly easy.  That said, I'd still rather use mysql and postgres for most things..
17:40 < aestetix> I don't know how you'd do that through a GUI
17:41 <@rattle> The SQL Management Studio app that comes with it is actually quite nice in some regards..  It's basically what all the other GUI front ends for other databases chase after.
17:41 < aestetix> I used MSSQL at one point in 2006/2007
17:41 < aestetix> then I got better
17:41 < aestetix> There's a gui frontend for mysql, I can't remember what it's called
17:42 < aestetix> Does SQL Server have the equivalent of a buffer pool?
17:42 <@rattle> Since 2008 it's been alright..  Before that it wasn't all that great.
17:43 <@rattle> I'd really like to talk shit on it..  But MS has really came a long way with it.
17:44 <@rattle> We've got databases that are several terabytes with some serious loads..  And MSSQL does infact get the job done in some places where many of the OSS alternatives would eat themselves.
17:44 < aestetix> oh fun
17:44 < aestetix> rattle: no option to shard?
17:45 <@rattle> Oh, we shared all to fuck and back.
17:45 <@rattle> And use stuff like these:  http://www.virident.com/products/flashmax/
17:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: PCIe SSD Flash Drives & Storage Class Memory Solutions - FlashMAX II - Virident Systems (at www.virident.com)
17:46 < aestetix> Also, does SQL Server work with filesystems besides NTFS?
17:46 <@rattle> And use systems with terabytes of ram.
17:46 <@wilpig> virident, you bastards!
17:46 <@wilpig> their current version is much better than previous though
17:46 <@wilpig> we've only had to send back one this month!
17:46 <@rattle> nod
17:47 < aestetix> YOu know what's funny
17:47 <@wilpig> a midget stripper?
17:48 < aestetix> I've worked with mysql a lot. I've pretty much gone through the whole high performance mysql book
17:48 < aestetix> But I still know jcak shit about it
17:48 < aestetix> I wonder if I should take a DBA class
17:49 < aestetix> rattle: are you open to postgres devs? I have a friend who is brilliant with it and just got laid off
17:49 < aestetix> He'd have to be remote though
17:50 <@rattle> Not sure.  I know the CarbonBlack server backend is Postgres/Solr.  I'm not sure if they need staffing over there though..
17:50 < aestetix> ok
17:52 <@rattle> I think the team on that side has their architecture nailed..  I know right now they are doing the testing to prove out that it scales up to 350k endpoints..  I've heard it's going ok..
17:53 < aestetix> oh btw rattle
17:53 < aestetix> end of september I'm giving a talk at harvard
17:53 < aestetix> you should come to it
17:54 <@rattle> Definitely.
17:54 <@rattle> Make sure to email me the info..
17:54 < aestetix> ok
17:58 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: if you could castrate me, how would you do it?
17:58 < aestetix> Quick and easy? Use a special tool?
18:00 <@rattle> MSSQL.
18:00 < aestetix> rattle: that's cruel and unusual punishment.
18:00 <@rattle> Isn't it though?
18:01 < aestetix> I was just curious because I was watching a video of someone castrating a steer.
18:01 < aestetix> I didn't realize testicles had so many layers of skin
18:02 <@benthemeek> rattle: You still using bit9?
18:02 < aestetix> They plopped out sort of like hard boiled eggs
18:03 <@benthemeek> me just back scrolled
18:03 <@benthemeek> ah I see
18:07  * Dagmar clears the window
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18:33 < eryc> anyone have a good credit card with rewards?
18:33 < eryc> i'm trying to diversify my spending portfolio
18:33 <@Bahhumbug> Glancing at backscroll...
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> A subway is a truly idiotic idea for Nashville.
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> Even cut and cover, the cheapest of subway building methods, would be stupidly expensive.
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> A good bus and feeder system makes far more sense.
18:35 < eryc> what does that have to do with steer testicles
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20:02 <@RangerZ> http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2591369
20:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Multipath TCP - ACM Queue (at queue.acm.org)
20:02 <@RangerZ> that could be NICE
20:02 <@RangerZ> but we'll have to see how well it actually is implemented (if ever)
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20:06 <@Bahhumbug> We can't even get wide acceptance of ipv6.
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20:20 <@RangerZ> Bahhumbug: but on the up side
20:21 <@RangerZ> your bot worked and linked right
20:21 <@RangerZ> ;) lol
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21:32 <@RangerZ> aestetix: about google-class
21:32 <@RangerZ> its called black-board
21:33 <@RangerZ> every univ/college uses it or a compet.
21:37 <@RangerZ> its a good thing in general, and now that google doesn't scan any -edu- accounts at all for learning
21:37 <@RangerZ> its not a bad thing
21:38 <@RangerZ> but it kinda sucks too, b/c then it shifts the cost to the students
21:38 <@RangerZ> which makes this a wet dream for conservatives
21:38 <@RangerZ> etc
21:45 <@RangerZ> if passing out papers is taking too much time away from preparing for tests... then I think we have _bigger_ issues than the need for a OAK or BlackBoard system
21:45 <@RangerZ> Bahhumbug: you have kids right? Did you know you can opt your kids out of a (some|a lot) of the testing they have to do now?
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21:55 <@Bahhumbug> Me?
21:56 <@Bahhumbug> Kids?
21:56 <@Bahhumbug> Are you fucking high?
21:56 <@brimstone> state won't allow him
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21:56 <@RangerZ> ohh, I thought you stole some at one of the early PNs
21:57 <@RangerZ> there are stories running around
21:57 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Wife works in primary education.
21:57 <@Bahhumbug> Never been to a PN, so that's obviously an accurate rumor.
21:57 <@RangerZ> or like statistics, made up on the spot, lol
21:59 <@wilpig> can I get a kid? 
21:59 <@wilpig> like what do you do with them?  are they tasty?  need bbq sauce?
21:59 <@RangerZ> where is klixia?
21:59 <@Bahhumbug> I would sell them as labor.
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22:24 < eryc> https://24.media.tumblr.com/2e5bc04265ad0aad1d68a55b822d74f1/tumblr_mzqw12uAIL1r539hzo1_400.jpg
22:27 <@wilpig> how about a NSFW tag there.  dick
22:28 < eryc> how is that nsfw
22:28 <@brimstone> the "dick" part
22:28 <@brimstone> well, it's safe for wilpig
22:28 <@brimstone> everything is on tumblr
22:30 <@wilpig> hate you guys
22:30 < eryc> <3
23:33 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: so I guess you're the second person within the group to work for a porn company...
23:36 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km1AhFkt4Dk
23:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Meet The Man Obama Hired To Kill Net Neutrality - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:36 <@RangerZ> b/c the head of the cable lobbying group is the former FCC chair
23:36 <@RangerZ> and the current chair is the past head of the cable lobbying group...
23:36 <@RangerZ> wait...
23:36 <@Corydon76-home> I think that's a little overblown, actually
23:37 <@RangerZ> yes/no
23:37 <@RangerZ> the "revolving door" is the problem
23:37 <@RangerZ> because we can't allow 'academics' into government
23:37 <@RangerZ> we have to have 'industry people' , etc
23:37 <@Corydon76-home> The current chairman actually has a good idea for how to do network neutrality without going full common carrier, which has its own set of problems
23:38 <@Corydon76-home> Academics nowadays are just as bad, if not worse, than industry insiders
23:38 <@RangerZ> thats another issue entirely, which I agree needs addressed, but we don't fund basic research enough so... yeah..
23:39 <@Corydon76-home> The problem is with the university administrations' push for prominence from their faculty, and as a result, the only people in academia who qualify are egomaniacal ideologues
23:39 <@RangerZ> ok, so what are the 'problems' with classifying ISPs as common carrier?
23:39 <@RangerZ> the fact that they can't offer QOS ?
23:39 <@Corydon76-home> Common carriers have one duty, to deliver from point A to point B, without discrimination.
23:40 <@Corydon76-home> Right?
23:40 <@RangerZ> don't play games, just say it
23:40 <@Corydon76-home> If an ISP is a common carrier, how does it deal with spam?
23:40 <@Corydon76-home> Or malware?
23:40 <@RangerZ> thats fine
23:41 <@Corydon76-home> Or hacking attempts?
23:41 <@RangerZ> I'd settle for no QoS over allowing Comcast to set limits on my shit
23:41 <@RangerZ> 'hacking' of the ISP
23:41 <@RangerZ> they call the FBI
23:41 <@RangerZ> hacking of a customer? their problem
23:41 <@Corydon76-home> What about DoS attacks?
23:42 <@RangerZ> look, I get your point, but I'm fine with giving special 'you can' white lists to the ISPs after declaring them common carrier
23:42 <@RangerZ> we gave that to AT&T
23:42 <@Corydon76-home> That's not how common carrier works
23:42 <@RangerZ> and by proxy, all the baby bells
23:42 <@RangerZ> who the fuck says it isn't, we can _re-write_ the laws
23:43 <@RangerZ> but common carrier is a better starting point
23:43 <@Corydon76-home> Now you're talking about getting something through Congress.  Good luck getting that without vastly changing the landscape to favor industry wants
23:43 <@RangerZ> so lets not do anything, great...
23:44 <@Corydon76-home> Common carrier is a worse starting point than information service
23:44 <@RangerZ> because women could never get the right to vote, b/c they didn't have the right to vote...  (There have been bigger uphill battles)
23:44 <@Corydon76-home> But the chairman IS doing something.
23:44 <@Corydon76-home> It's just something the purists don't like, but the court has already said that what the purists want is a no-go.
23:44 <@RangerZ> no it hasn't
23:45 <@RangerZ> it said to just re-classify them common carrier
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23:45 <@RangerZ> yes, that has issues
23:45 <@RangerZ> but change it, and then let people see the problems
23:45 <@RangerZ> I'm fine with real-life experiments
23:45 <@RangerZ> lol
23:45 <@Corydon76-home> The court said the FCC could re-classify as common carrier, if the FCC wanted to regulate the service more.
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23:45 <@Corydon76-home> But that comes with bigger problems.
23:46 <@Corydon76-home> Vastly changing the regulatory environment is going to have a ton of bad effects.
23:46 <@Corydon76-home> What Chairman Wheeler has proposed lets ISPs have one concession, while keeping non-discrimination policies intact.
23:47 <@RangerZ> maybe, maybe not, but I personally don't give a rats ass as to how 'disruptive' it is to the big ISPs
23:47 <@Corydon76-home> It's also disruptive to consumers' experiences
23:47 <@Corydon76-home> In terms of spam, malware, etc.
23:47 <@RangerZ> I'm fine with making comcast/etc's CEOs, etc... be made to walk through fire
23:48 <@RangerZ> then with that much disruption, we'd be able to get a bill through congress
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23:48 <@RangerZ> easiest way to get a bill through congress... make a congressman late on their flight home
23:48 <@Corydon76-home> Again, not without gutting all chance of network neutrality, because their lobbyists have more money than consumer advocates
23:49 <@RangerZ> sure, again, your circular logic on that is flawless
23:49 <@Corydon76-home> Working within the present regulatory framework and stopping new regulations from getting through Congress is the best bet we have for network neutrality
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23:50 <@RangerZ> ehh
23:50 <@RangerZ> either way, its going to be shitty for us
23:50 <@RangerZ> we need to get the fucking money out of politics before anything changes
23:50 <@Corydon76-home> We'd have to reform campaign finance, first, and get a new crop of Congress critters who don't have history with industry fundraisers, first
23:50 <@Corydon76-home> Jinx.
23:50 <@RangerZ> and with that, I'm going to go do some more coding :/ *dances for joy at making archetypes*
23:51 <@RangerZ> ugh
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