--- Log opened Mon May 05 00:00:48 2014
00:14 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: might be worth it, when I was managing several different wordpress sites for myself, and for the dept, and YSU-ACM, I was never more than 16hrs behind _any_ upgrade notification, kept me pretty secure. I even had a professional pen-tester(friend of mine) and a "hopeful future pen-tester" test one of them, and they weren't able to do anything, but I also disabled comments and a lot of other things that would allow you to 'in
00:15 < RangerZ> so... here's an interesting question... does anyone know of a database of past/present phishing URLs?
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00:37 < RangerZ> so if anyone is curious about the new test that google is doing with the URL being hidden http://www.researchgate.net/publication/221515859_Does_domain_highlighting_help_people_identify_phishing_sites/file/3deec5216eafd74e3a.pdf basically... it won't matter because users don't know to look at domain highlighting and even when told to look there, it didn't help them, b/c most changed their opinion to think it WAS safe when it wasn't :/
00:47 < RangerZ> http://www.cnet.com/news/at-t-to-take-gigabit-broadband-to-21-new-metro-areas/ didn't realize that nashville got put on AT&T's list of 'possible' metros to get their 1gbps service... what? they fear Google fiber that much? hehe
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02:19 < RangerZ> Dagmar: https://imgur.com/gallery/Bk0rbX9 youneed to record your bike riding....
02:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Motorbike crash at 140mph - Imgur (at imgur.com)
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02:36 < v4mp> http://gizmodo.com/programming-sucks-why-a-job-in-coding-is-absolute-hell-1570227192/all
02:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Coding Sucks: Why a Job in Programming Is Absolute Hell (at gizmodo.com)
02:36 < v4mp> "Somewhere there's a database programmer surrounded by empty Mountain Dew bottles whose husband thinks she's dead. And if these people stop, the world burns. Most people don't even know what sysadmins do, but trust me, if they all took a lunch break at the same time they wouldn't make it to the deli before you ran out of bullets protecting your canned goods from roving bands of mutants."
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04:15 < aestetix> penis
04:49 < RangerZ> http://undergroundmgzn.com/2014/04/15/man-ruins-game-thrones-series-novels-full-spoilers/
04:56 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&feature=youtu.be
04:56 < aestetix> wtf is this
04:56 < RangerZ> oration competition
04:58 < RangerZ> ofcourse it is crap, people purposely use gimmicks like this to win
04:58 < aestetix> what is CEDA
04:59 < RangerZ> a "debate club" group
04:59 < RangerZ> don't know what debate club is?
04:59 < aestetix> Isn't debate supposed to be coherent?
04:59 < RangerZ> thats the point, that video was trash
04:59 < aestetix> I know what debate is. That's some kind of ranting rap shit
04:59 < RangerZ> both were bad versions IMHO
05:21 < RangerZ> http://www.animeget.com/kyoukai-senjou-no-horizon-episode-8 mind you... this is a great example of a 'good' debate, but mind you it is anime... and in the middle of the season... so the entire thing is messed up (ignoring the fact that even among anime... this one is weird)... but the guy takes the POV that wasn't expected and makes the other girl 'debate' the side he really is trying to get across, lol. (gotta give him props for using som
05:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon Episode 8 English Sub - Anime Show (at www.animeget.com)
05:31 < aestetix> RangerZ: that video I posted....
05:31 < aestetix> It's like the krumping of debate
05:32 < RangerZ> lol
06:04 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/05/technology/no-regrets-for-the-founder-of-tumblr-after-yahoo-sale.html
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07:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:43  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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09:09 <@Dolemite> So did anybody see a signed contract for the hotel at the Nashville 2600 Meeting on Friday?  Or hear of a room block code?  Or see a new website?
09:09 <@Dolemite> Oh, wait, I think benthemeek sent out notes
09:15 <@oddball> Haven't seen the contract, but the hotel code should be 1410PNICON
09:15 <@oddball> Which... for somereason somebody posted to the PN Google group that damn near no one uses instead of the se2600 mailing list.
09:17 < aestetix> hmmm
09:17 < aestetix> I wonder if I just broke my computer
09:18 <@oddball> hmmm... that reminds me.
09:18 <@oddball> !seen JonnyX
09:18 <@GateKeeper> oddball: JonnyX was last seen in #se2600 31 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <jonnyx> Educational in either event.
09:19 <@oddball> Yeah... that's what I thought.
09:22 < aestetix> vagina
09:24 <@Dolemite> So I think JonnyX is seriously delusional if the thinks that those with kids of a certain age will bring their offspring along to PhreakNIC instead of taking said kids trick or treating.
09:25 < aestetix> jonnyx is actually pro-kids?
09:25 <@Dolemite> I will be at a scouting event that weekend, but if not, I would be at home taking my kids trick or treating instead of hanging out with a bunch of drunkards, and you all know how much I love the latter - especially when I can be one of the drunkards
09:26 <@Dolemite> I can see Decius going this year, and maybe next, but after that...  it will be prime trick or treating age
09:26 < aestetix> Does Decius have a kid now?
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09:26 <@Dolemite> yes
09:26 < aestetix> wow
09:27 <@oddball> Dolemite: Really... a bunch of us figured that you were one of the folks pushing for kid friendly stuff.
09:27 <@wilpig> aestetix: technically he has two now
09:27 <@wilpig> one is his
09:27 <@Dolemite> oddball: Nope, I have had very little contact with any of the PN planners this year
09:27 <@oddball> Ok... good to know.
09:27 <@wilpig> oddball: Why would dolemite be pushing for kid friendly?  he brought them before!
09:27 < aestetix> oddball: I'm all about kid friendly stuff, as long as it doesn't exclude things for me
09:28 < aestetix> then again, I consider kid friendly to be treating kids like adults, not watering down the conference
09:28 <@oddball> Of course, it appears that nobody has been having much contact with the PN planners so far this year.
09:28 <@Dolemite> Dru asked me a month or so ago to do 1 or 2 talks, and at that time I let him know that I wouldn't be able to make it
09:28 < aestetix> Couldn't you solve this by finding a 17 year old to be the official head of phreaknic to handle any liability issues?
09:29 <@shapr> GOOd MorNING!
09:29  * shapr hugs Shadow404 with great hugginess
09:29 <@Dolemite> aestetix: They would be unable to enter into any legally binding contract - so the 17 year old limitations would go both ways
09:29 < aestetix> fair enough
09:30 <@Dolemite> So Kraken, at one time the #2 supercomputer in the world, was shut down for the last time at the end of April
09:30 < aestetix> I don't understand why Americans get older and become really conservative.
09:30 <@shapr> Oh hey, I visited the Minneapolis makerspace this past weekend: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ShaeErisson/posts/J4CPt6vaJYw
09:30 <@Dolemite> Total computing hours over its lifetime:  4,119,827,652.7677
09:30 < aestetix> This also seems to happen when they get rich.
09:30 < aestetix> And in some cases, when they have kids.
09:31 <@shapr> aestetix: I also wonder about that.
09:31 <@Dolemite> aestetix: For many it's their coping mechanism as they try to reject change
09:31 <@shapr> Seems my friends from high school and college sit at home and stare at their mortgage or something.
09:31 < aestetix> I remember staying at a hotel in a small town in Italy
09:31 <@shapr> Dolemite: ah, that makes sense
09:31 < aestetix> I was convinced that it would shut down at 8pm like a small town in America
09:31 < aestetix> but sure enough, at 1am there were cafes open and people hanging out in the streets
09:31 <@Dolemite> You work hard all your life to achieve your goals, and as you approach that goal...  the game changes
09:32 < aestetix> Dolemite: that makes sense.
09:32 < aestetix> It's really bad in the bay area. One of the reasons IMHO for the housing/google bus drama is because of old hippies who turned conservative
09:32 <@shapr> Dolemite: because of that, I take my 'retirement' between jobs. I save up $10k or so and then have adventures for some months before I get another job.
09:33 < aestetix> shapr: that's the way to do it
09:33 <@shapr> I enjoy life while I'm still interested.
09:33 < aestetix> I remember Paris being open/active super late
09:34 < aestetix> NYC is open late for an American city
09:34 < aestetix> but kind of average for a european city
09:35 < aestetix> I wonder if all these scifi/hacking conferences that started in the late 80s and early 90s are gonna get stuck with the same issues Burning Man has dealt with
09:35 <@shapr> What issues?
09:36 < aestetix> The people in charge getting older, having kids, dealing with realities of life. There's also the issues that come with scaling.
09:37 <@shapr> It's good to pass on leadership while the original leaders are still excited, and the new leaders are more excited.
09:37 <@shapr> I did that with #haskell
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09:37 < aestetix> Also, some people may want to retire, and then you have the generations thing
09:38 < aestetix> yeah
09:38 < aestetix> That's hard though
09:38 < aestetix> There's a reason companies generally don't stay in the family more than 3 generations
09:40 <@shapr> I think it's hard to give up something you still love doing and leading, but you gotta do it or the community fails.
09:40 < aestetix> well
09:40 < aestetix> it's like raising a kid
09:40 < aestetix> a good parent knows when to let the kid be more independent
09:40 <@shapr> A cult of personality doesn't last past that leader. It works much better when the former leader(s) are still around, but are acting as an average participant.
09:40 <@shapr> aestetix: right, exactly
09:41 < aestetix> I speak as someone who started an event and had to pass it on to someone else for it to keep going :)
09:41 <@shapr> What was your event?
09:41 < aestetix> an event at noisebridge called "five minutes of fame"
09:41 < aestetix> basically a lightning talks thing
09:42 <@shapr> sounds nifty
09:42 <@shapr> The mailing list for noisebridge makes that space sound terrifying.
09:44 <@oddball> aestetix: I can think of two reasons businesses don't stay in the family after a couple generations: 1. the kids might just not be interested in running a company that does x/run a company period/run their parents company, and 2. the enheritance tax can sometimes pretty much require the kids to sell the company to pay the government.
09:45 <@oddball> The second most definately happened to my mom when my grandfather died.
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09:56 <@wilpig> this is the onlye way to rack equipment.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/y0s0ds6jzan9poz/2014-05-05%2009.50.01.jpg
09:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-05-05 09.50.01.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
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10:03 < aestetix> oddball: yep
10:04 < aestetix> I think it very often is that
10:04 < aestetix> the kid wanting indepdence
10:04 < aestetix> it's why some homeless people come from rich families
10:06 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: or because some rich people refuse to believe that mental illness could happen in their families...
10:09 <@Dagmar> wilpig: By which you mean "get it shipped all pre-installed"?
10:09 <@wilpig> Dagmar: yes
10:09 <@Dagmar> I can't really see a problem with that, myself
10:09 <@wilpig> they unbox it and roll it into place.  we connect the power cables and uplinks and done.
10:13 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: that too
10:13 < aestetix> This is fun. Working on a project with a german who is having trouble understanding why Americans take criticism personally
10:14 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: for example, I have a friend who was basically kicked out of his rich family because he is gay.
10:15 < aestetix> He wound up homeless on the streets of san francisco.
10:15 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I know people kicked out of families across the economic spectrum due to that.
10:15 < aestetix> fair enough
10:15 < aestetix> I have trouble beliving families still kick out people for being gay, but eh
10:15 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Most of those americans are fucking stupid is why
10:17 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: it is interesting that when someone says they are gay everyone brings up anal sex. As opposed to a guy who gets a girlfriend and everyone brings up marriage and family.
10:17 < aestetix> Kind of fucked up.
10:17 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you have trouble believing that because you live in Liberaland.
10:17 <@Dagmar> You should listen to some of these darling Belmont freshmen girls talk sometime
10:18 <@Dagmar> They bring up anal.
10:18 < aestetix> Dagmar: in what context
10:18 < nachoguy> s/bring up/offer/
10:18 < aestetix> "I wanna try anal!"?
10:18 <@Corydon76-home> If you go 20 miles outside of Nashville, you can find communities where you'd be surprised that the KKK doesn't still hold monthly meetings.
10:18 < nachoguy> monthly meetings are hard
10:19 < nachoguy> what with the palnning and all
10:19 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: does the KKK actually still exist?
10:19 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Yes
10:19 <@Dagmar> As in when they think no one is listening, they could probably embarass porn stars
10:19 < aestetix> wow
10:19 < nachoguy> aestetix: abso-fucking-lutely
10:19 < aestetix> Do they do rallies?
10:19 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, yes
10:19 <@Corydon76-home> There are still chapters of the KKK across the US
10:20 < aestetix> Like active chapters?
10:20 < aestetix> Not some website that hasn't been updated since 1996?
10:20 <@Corydon76-home> Granted, their numbers are far less than what they were in the 70s, but they still exist, and they still hold rallies
10:20 <@oddball> I don't think there's been a proper cross burning in a long time, but there are still active chapters.
10:20 <@Corydon76-home> Generally they eschew the white hoods these days, preferring collared shirts and ties
10:21 < aestetix> They must be Tarantino fans.
10:21 < nachoguy> some of them understand where they might not be so popular any more.  they're not anti-black anymore, they're just very pro-white, pro-segregation, pro deportation of non white christian folk
10:21 < aestetix> Group outings to see Django Unchained and all.
10:21 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, they've tried to soft-peddle the hate speech
10:22 <@Dagmar> ...but the real question is... are they anti-semitic?
10:22 < aestetix> Then again
10:22 < aestetix> the bay area is a super white area that pretends that it's pro diveristy
10:22 <@Dagmar> Dude, ride a fucking bus sometime
10:23 < aestetix> It's easy to say you're in favor of including black people when there aren't any around to actually show up at your events
10:23 < nachoguy> my favorite thing of the past few years is that every so often, the klan sponsers a strech of road for "adopt a highway".  THere's no way to stop them from doing so, and doin so gets the groups name on signs.  Usually the *DOT renames the road for a local civirl rights  person
10:24 <@Dagmar> Here in Nashville, I've been called 'honkey' and 'cracker' by assholes more than a couple of times
10:25 < aestetix> Dagmar: why?
10:25 <@Dagmar> I was wondering why it seemed to be out of the question in the Bay until I started looking closely at who all was on the bos
10:25 <@Dagmar> er bus
10:25 < aestetix> By black people, or other white guys?
10:25 < aestetix> Dagmar: depends on which bus.
10:25 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Because black people seem to be the biggest source of racist bullshit nowadays
10:25 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: the harmless type, just speech
10:25 < aestetix> Is that similar to how middle class white women are the source of fauxminist bullshit?
10:25 <@Dagmar> The buses I was on... in San Fran... looked to me like everyone was a minority
10:26 <@Dagmar> If there were 30 people on the bus, there were 27 skin tones
10:26 <@Corydon76-home> Pervasive, unspoken racism is far more insidious
10:26 <@Dagmar> Bullshit
10:26 < aestetix> YOu know
10:26 < nachoguy> Dagmar: obviously "those people" were the "help", and you shouldn't associate with the "help"
10:26 < aestetix> I define racism as viewing someone with ____ colored skin as not being human
10:27 < aestetix> Viewing them as different than you is not racist, IMHO, provided you recognize they are human
10:27 <@Dagmar> If there's three motherfuckers in a car listening to violent gangster rap who roll up next to you on the street while you're walking and say "Fucking cracker bitch" and "honkey motherfucker"... this is not "harmless"
10:27 < nachoguy> aestetix: what if you view them as human, but not humans you want to see, speak with or have to walk near
10:27 < nachoguy> like the Inuit
10:27 < aestetix> nachoguy: that gets complicated. My general answer is "then avoid places they are." For example, I generally don't go to stores where mommies and babies are.
10:28 <@Dagmar> If you're a white dude and you go anywhere near a rap show in this town, ther's about a 25% chance you're going to see some racists
10:28 < aestetix> But that doesn't mean I think mommies and babies are less than human.
10:28 < nachoguy> Dagmar: when you translate that, it' supposed to mean " Dear neighborly gentleperson, how are you this fine afternoon"?
10:28 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: I prefer to view it as "do you happen to have a gas filled bottle with a lit rag in the top handy?"
10:29 < aestetix> I feel kind of uncomfortable in the ghetto, but that's because I'm in a different culture, not because I"m surrounded by animals
10:30 < aestetix> Likewise, I feel uncomfortable in the suburbs.
10:30 < aestetix> nachoguy: is that a fair distinction?
10:31 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: The worse racists, though, are those who refuse to hire/promote people due to their race.
10:32 <@Dagmar> Those are far in the minority compared to the thugs on the street
10:33 < nachoguy> aestetix: yeah.  it's just when someone tries to define something as complex as racism in (please forgive the terrible pun) black and white terms, I always like to take a poke at it
10:33 <@Corydon76-home> My suspicion is that the pervasion of thugs on the street is due entirely to their being discrminated against in hiring, and having no alternative
10:33 <@Dagmar> Bullshit.
10:33 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: try getting a job with a felony on your record
10:33 < nachoguy> Corydon76-home: but you get the opposite, where there is a dept here where I work that would hire you if you had a pulse and were indian
10:34 <@Dagmar> There is no excuse for being a racist dick to strangers
10:34 < aestetix> Acually, here's a question
10:34 < nachoguy> some of these guys had never touched a computer that didn't have fisher price on it
10:34 < aestetix> Why are you required to report criminal history to an employer if you have already gotten out?
10:34 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I tend to agree with that assessment, but that cuts even when no words are spoken
10:34 < aestetix> IE you've served your time.
10:35 < nachoguy> aestetix: recidivism
10:35 < aestetix> huh?
10:35 < nachoguy> if you've gone to jail for financial crimes 3 times, but "paid your debt", I still don't want you working at my bank
10:35 <@Dagmar> ...and you can always go and get your record expunged if the offense was a minor one
10:35 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: because employers are not forbidden to ask such, and it goes to credibility
10:36 < aestetix> nachoguy: in that case maybe we need to re-evaluate the punishment for those crimes.
10:36 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: good luck with that, when the Justice Dept refuses to prosecute white collar crimes
10:36 < nachoguy> aestetix: what does check fraud below 10k get you, 5 years?
10:37 <@Corydon76-home> If all crime was prosecuted with the same vigor, that might work
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10:37 < nachoguy> bah
10:37 <@Dagmar> Well, let's shoot some bankers then
10:38 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: not denying that
10:38 < aestetix> just saying
10:38 < nachoguy> Dagmar, bankers aren't the only ones committing financial crimes
10:38 <@Corydon76-home> Our current US Attorney General is the author of a memo that says, consider the _economic_ effect of prosecuting a person, and consider not prosecuting them if that prosecution would have a net negative economic effect.
10:38 < nachoguy> money laundering, check kiting, hell, stolen credit cards
10:39 <@Corydon76-home> This is why the US AG will not prosecute the bastards on Wall Street that caused the last recession
10:44 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: didn't most of them settle out of court anyways?
10:45 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: only for civil legislation
10:45 <@Corydon76-home> Not criminal prosecution
10:45 <@Corydon76-home> err, civil litigation
10:45 < nachoguy> Hah, Samuel L Jackson as the next Doctor: "get these motherfucking daleks off this motherfucking planet!",  "Say exterminate again!  ",  "Did you see a sign in front of my house that said "dead Cyberman storage"? "
10:47 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: Bankers are the only ones engaging in wide-spread theft of homes.
10:48 <@Dagmar> I don't think a single bad thing would happen if we threw unethical bankers into jail cells.
10:48 <@Dagmar> Not one damn thing,.
10:48 <@Dagmar> ...aside from maybe there would be a substantially smaller number of fraudulent home foreclosures.
10:48 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I'll support that, as long as the cells are located in Guantanamo
10:48 <@Dagmar> Fuck that
10:49 < aestetix> So what's taking so long for criminal prosecution?
10:49 <@Dagmar> If we can outsource torture for the purposes of intelligence gathering, we can outsource this.
10:49 <@Corydon76-home> and the CIA is in charge of their interrogations
10:49 <@Dagmar> Turkish prisons are real nice this time of yeaar
10:49 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I'd prefer to assign each of them an al qaeda cellmate
10:50 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: actually, you're right.  Put them in a CCA-run prison, with a big horny black guy as their cellmate.
10:50 <@Dagmar> Nah, a genuine Turkish prison
10:51 <@Dagmar> If they were put into a CCA-run prison, they probably financed it.
10:51 <@Dagmar> They could get favors there.
10:51 <@Dagmar> It would also cost taxpayer money
10:51 <@Dagmar> ...and we don't need to encourage the CCA.
10:53 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Holder has decided that trying to prosecute the big wigs would put a damper on the economy, and he doesn't want to do that
10:53 <@Corydon76-home> As a result, the statute of limitations will expire on their crimes this fall, and they'll get away scot-free
10:55 <@Corydon76-home> Until we reform campaign finance laws such that corporations cannot contribute to election campaigns, there's not going to be a solution to this problem.
10:56 <@Corydon76-home> Politicians are beholden to their campaign contributors.
10:56 < aestetix> uhhh
10:57 < aestetix> "So, we've decided that in order to fix your infection, we'd have to cut off your foot. But you need that foot to walk, so we'll just let it go until the infection kills you."
11:00 <@Dagmar> This is why you should just shoot the foot off.
11:05 <@wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/34mqu1akgsh60nd/2014-05-05%2010.24.28.jpg
11:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-05-05 10.24.28.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
11:06 <@wilpig> 16 racks in total
11:06 < aestetix> Hmm.
11:06 < aestetix> What is the plural of ejaculation
11:06 < aestetix> "ejaculations" sounds wrong
11:07 <@Dagmar> "skeet"
11:07 <@Dagmar> ;)
11:07 < aestetix> haha
11:07 < aestetix> better skeet tha skat
11:07 <@wilpig> apparently for cinco de mayo they're having a fajita bar in the NY office.  this was the picture they attached to the announcement.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/smsg9coz3ctzghg/pwersombrero.gif
11:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - pwersombrero.gif (at www.dropbox.com)
11:07 <@wilpig> aestetix: bukake
11:12 < aestetix> ok, mysql question
11:12 < aestetix> if I promote a slave to master, the binary logs start ay log file 0, log position 0?
11:13 < aestetix> actually I think I just answerd my own question
11:13 < aestetix> reset master every time I put on a new master
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11:16 <@Dagmar> You'd better be damn sure they're in sync before you swap them
11:17 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, fuck your data integrity
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11:24 < aestetix> ok so
11:24 < aestetix> this isn't announced yet
11:24 < aestetix> but looks like I'm speaking at CFP :)
11:24 < aestetix> and yes to syncing
11:25 < aestetix> Dagmar: wouldn't it make sense to flush/lock tables on the master before promoting the slave?
11:26 <@Dagmar> If you like your data, you'll make damn sure they're in synch before you swap roles
11:26 < aestetix> right
11:26 < aestetix> the idea of flushing and locking the tables is to ensure no new data slips in while you ensure the slave is cauht up
11:27  * shapr flips the flushed table
11:31 < aestetix> Dagmar: at least I assume that's the correct protocol
11:32 <@Dagmar> The correct thing to do is to *not swap them*
11:32 <@Dagmar> You're doing something wrong if you ever need to swap their roles
11:36 < aestetix> well sure
11:36 <@Dagmar> They ain't like tires
11:36 < aestetix> but in the event of a hardware failure, etc
11:37 <@Dagmar> In teh event of a hardware failure, they should _already_ be in sync
11:37 <@Dagmar> They're supposed to remain in sync actually.
11:37 < aestetix> right
11:37 <@Dagmar> That's a great deal of the reason for the binary logs in the first place
11:37 < aestetix> right
11:37 <@Corydon76-home> What about databases in geographically (or electrically) diverse locations, and you have a power failure on the master, and need to make the slave into the new master?
11:38 <@Dagmar> Hopefully your shit is in sync
11:38 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, too fuckin' bad.
11:38 <@Corydon76-home> This is also why dual-master is a good thing.
11:38 <@Dagmar> What?
11:39 <@Dagmar> How so
11:39 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: that's kind of what I'm working on right now
11:39 <@Dagmar> master-master leads to race conditions
11:39 < aestetix> I have a master and two slaves. One of the slaves is in the same data center, mostly for reads
11:39 <@Corydon76-home> Because it doesn't matter where the transaction is committed... the binary logs trace the server ID with each statement, so both sides remain in sync even across power failures
11:40 <@Corydon76-home> and resynching is easy
11:41 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: a carefully designed database will mostly avoid those race conditions
11:41 <@Corydon76-home> This also speaks to designing your application to the particular features of the database
11:41 <@Dagmar> I would prefer not to wander into "unsupported configuration" space
11:42 <@Corydon76-home> Or alternatively, just provision your hardware in a way such that failure is impossible
11:42 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: remember, Dagmar is recovering from his previous gig
11:43 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: when did master-master mode on MySQL shift into unsupported configuration space?
11:43 < aestetix> master-master mode is extremely well supported and documented....
11:43 <@Corydon76-home> That's what I thought
11:43 < aestetix> Especially as of 5.5
11:44 <@Corydon76-home> Did I miss the jump to another database?
11:44 < aestetix> mysql 5.5 is way better than 5.1 at this
11:44 < aestetix> But I mean, still.
11:45 < aestetix> The high performance mysql book has a whole section dedicated to master-master replication
11:45 <@Corydon76-home> If you're in a situation where one server or another might have power issues, I would definitely go for master-master replication
11:46 < aestetix> so last week I had an issue where the master db went out
11:46 < aestetix> But that was becasue rackspace was doing maintenance that went wrong
11:46 <@Corydon76-home> Even if one direction is completely unused most of the time
11:46 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, first issue is that you're running mission-critical shit in outsourced infrastructure
11:47 < aestetix> As opposed to a colo?
11:47 <@Corydon76-home> Cloud is fine for infrastructure, as long as you own the cloud
11:47 < aestetix> heh
11:48 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: that's what VMware is:  a cloud infrastructure
11:48 < aestetix> yup
11:49 <@Corydon76-home> Google called me the other day to ask whether we had considered cloud infrastructure, and my reply was, as long as it's on our premises, we'll consider it
11:50 <@rattle> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cloud-to-butt-plus/apmlngnhgbnjpajelfkmabhkfapgnoai?hl=en
11:50 <@GateKeeper> Title: Chrome Web Store - Cloud To Butt Plus (at chrome.google.com)
11:50 < aestetix> Well, at least they won't leave you with any misconceptions about support.
11:50 < aestetix> (trick question.... google and support? hahahha)
11:51 <@Corydon76-home> But unless we shift to continuous power in our building and VASTLY improve our data service consistency, we aren't putting infrastructure in a colo.
11:51 <@Corydon76-home> rattle: what's the plus for?
11:51 <@rattle> Context awareness.
11:52 <@Corydon76-home> I had cloud-to-butt installed for about a week before it got annoying as hell
11:52 < aestetix> rattle: going to CFP this year?
11:52 < aestetix> or is timball?
11:52 <@rattle> I don't think I'm going.  Not idea re tim.
11:52 < aestetix> awww
11:52 < aestetix> well
11:52 < aestetix> you should at least come to HOPE
11:52 < aestetix> especially given the keynote
11:52 <@Corydon76-home> Is timball still at AmProg?
11:53 <@Corydon76-home>  / Sunlight
11:53 <@rattle> Sunlight, yeah.  He's been there for like six years now..
11:54 <@rattle> The datacenters in Nashville kinda suck.
11:54 < aestetix> He gets older, and the girls he chases stay the same age.
11:54 <@Corydon76-home> The way aestetix asked it, I thought he might be in Boston with you.
11:54 <@rattle> aestetix: It is kind of amazing..
11:54 <@Corydon76-home> And I was thinking... he's likely to get lost in the snowdrifts
11:54 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: oh. I just know they are friends.
11:54 < aestetix> hahah
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11:55 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I just know Timball loves licking toes
11:55 < aestetix> ...
11:56 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I think you missed the joke
11:57 <@Corydon76-home> (Timball has a foot phobia)
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12:01 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.waff.com/story/25428239/massive-gator-spotted-strolling-down-georgetown-co-road SFW
12:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Massive gator spotted strolling down Georgetown Co. road - WAFF-TV: News, Weather and Sports for Huntsville, AL (at www.waff.com)
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12:08 <@rattle> http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/
12:10 < aestetix> rattle: come to HOPE
12:17 <@rattle> I'm going to try.  I've got a lot of travel the next two months..
12:17 <@rattle> I've basically got a speaking engagement somewhere every other week.
12:22 < aestetix> rattle: it will be very interesting to see Ellsberg speak in front of a bunch of hackers.
12:27 <@Dagmar> Does anyone else in here try to use OOo Calc with _simple formulas_ and have it immediately perform like shit?
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12:47 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: careful that you don't have any circular references
12:48 <@Dagmar> There are none
12:48 <@brimstone> hula-hoops, olympic rings, ...
12:48 <@Corydon76-home> Any weird functions that you're using?
12:48 <@Dagmar> All of it's literally just "read the cell to the left, maybe add a few more characters"
12:48 <@Dolemite> I prefer onion rings, brimstone
12:48 <@Dagmar> There's some isblanks in there
12:48 <@brimstone> can't reference those either Dolemite
12:49 <@Dagmar> This is a spreadsheet I'm using to keep track of VMs I'm rolling out for someone.  It didn't need much
12:49 <@Dagmar> I just needed to autopopulate some columns to make it faster to fill out paperwork requests to other departments
12:51 <@Corydon76-home> I'd have to see the formulas, but that sounds like it shouldn't cause a loop
12:51 < aestetix> brimstone: hula hoops are sexist
12:52 <@brimstone> and onion rings aren't?
12:52 <@brimstone> who's the real victim here?
12:52 < aestetix> The github girl didn't complain about onion rings
12:52 <@brimstone> maybe if her parent's raised her better
12:52 <@Corydon76-home> She shouldn't have complained, period
12:52 <@brimstone> stay in school kids
12:53 <@Corydon76-home> At least not to allege sexual harassment
12:53 <@Corydon76-home> It sounds like a lot of people were being pressured by the founder's wife to work on her pet project, which had nothing to do with being discriminated against based upon gender
12:56 <@Corydon76-home> Github's situation is exactly the definition of a witch hunt, because once they were accused, they were guilty, and nothing is going to change the minds of a lot of people about that.
12:56 <@shapr> pretty much
12:57 <@brimstone> git clone witch hunt
12:57 <@brimstone> that was funnier in my head
12:57 <@brimstone> soryr
12:57 <@shapr> I mentioned a few weeks back that I got hit by a gender warrior for saying "These guys" when referring to a group of people that also included a female.
12:57 <@brimstone> gender warrior
12:58 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: clearly, you need some "Victim Card"s printed up, so you can pass them out.
12:58 <@wilpig> shapr: when in doubt use "those assholes"
12:58 <@brimstone> !!!
12:58 <@brimstone> i need a set of those
12:58 <@shapr> wilpig: good point, every gender I've seen has an asshole
12:58 <@brimstone> a Race Card, a Sexism Card
12:59 <@wilpig> after a few times of me referring to random groups as useless fucks, those assholes, etc they tend to not care if I don't use a gender neutral blah
12:59 <@brimstone> Obscure Culture Reference Card
12:59 <@shapr> wilpig: I appreciate your advice, and will implement that solution.
12:59 <@Corydon76-home> brimstone: "Victim" card covers pretty much everything.
13:00 <@wilpig> shapr: since you're not already seen as a bastard it's best to stick with these guys until you're challenged on it.  then indignantly say, "okay fine... these donkey raping shit birds, better?"
13:00 <@Dolemite> Stay clear of the term 'useless fucks' - I hear they are trying to get a organized as a religion, but being the usless fucks that they are, it is somewhat problematic
13:00 <@shapr> haha, ouch
13:01 <@shapr> reminds me of http://www.doesnotplaywellwithothers.com/comics/2014/pwc-229
13:01 <@shapr> which I think I found from a link here on #se2600
13:03 <@brimstone> some days, i love the internet
13:04 <@brimstone> most of the days it just frightens me
13:13 <@Dagmar> ahapr: yeah I have that shit bookmarked
13:14 <@Dagmar> I dropped it on someone in another channel who was being exactly that kind of twat
13:14 <@Dagmar> He's all about the use of the term 'cis'
13:15 <@Dolemite> Sounds like you need to print out a stack and just follow anarchival around until you've handed them all out...   say, about a 30 minute task
13:16 <@wilpig> doh!
13:16 <@wilpig> 13:16 < wilpig> shiting slot 3 to slot 1
13:16 <@wilpig> 13:16 < wilpig> shifting*
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13:23 <@Corydon76-home> But regardless, it's only a "witch hunt" if he's accused of something, and that fact is in dispute, and there's nothing he can say that will dispute their version of the events.
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13:23 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Privacy only belongs to corporations
13:23 <@Corydon76-home> Everybody agrees that he made the donation.  It is thus not a witch hunt.
13:23 <@Dagmar> Yes, he was being accused of being a "homophobe" and a "gay hater", among other things.
13:23 <@Dagmar> That's what makes it a witch hunt.
13:23 <@Dolemite> I know, instead of saying 'cis', we can say 'porch monkeys'
13:23 <@Dolemite> I'm bringing Porch Monkeys back!
13:24 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I never heard such an accusation
13:24 <@Dagmar> Considering they're both completely made-up terms, seems workable
13:24 <@wilpig> Dolemite: +1
13:24 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: I was seeing it rather frequently
13:24 <@Dagmar> If "porch monkeys" were actually a racist term, I'm pretty sure I'd have heard it from my relatives in Columbia
13:25 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I heard that accusation *many* times.
13:25 <@Corydon76-home> All I heard was that Mozilla employees didn't think they wanted to work for a guy who would have donated to the Prop 8 campaign
13:25 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: They'd already been working for him
13:25 <@Dagmar> For a long damn time in fact
13:25 < aestetix> THen again I have the pleasure of being stuck living around here.
13:25 <@Dagmar> He was the CTO before he was the CEO.
13:25 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: No, they were working for someone else.  He was a fellow employee, not at the helm of the company
13:25 <@shapr> How many execs would stay hired if all the employees had to agree with their approach to life?
13:26 <@Dagmar> This shit came up when he became the CTO and it blew over then because it's nothing and the people complaining foolishly allowed reasonable arguments to take place
13:26 <@Dagmar> When he became CEO they stuck with just making wild emotional appeals
13:26 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Doesn't matter
13:26 <@Dagmar> THe guy helped put together Mozilla's non-discrimination policy
13:27 <@Dagmar> It was _very_ clear he both interested in not discriminating in the workplace
13:27 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I don't think he necessarily should have gone because of the donation, just that it wasn't a witch hunt.
13:27 <@Dagmar> ...and was capable of actually not discriminating in the workplace, or someone would have had *some* story to tell
13:27 <@Dagmar> No "reason" was involved in the approach the naysayers took.  It was a witch hunt.
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13:28 <@Dagmar> If they could have had their way, they'd have had the guy's home foreclosed on.
13:28 <@Corydon76-home> I think that's pushing it a little far, don't you?
13:28 < nachoguy> http://imgur.com/mHYa09Z
13:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: As a white man from the rural south I hate this. - Imgur (at imgur.com)
13:28 < nachoguy> qusi on topic from before
13:29 <@Dagmar> if OkCupid wasn't stirrinng up shit just to get themselves in the press... if they *really* felt like they had to make a statement, they would have stopped using JavaScript on their site
13:29 <@Corydon76-home> Wanting the guy not to be in charge and wanting the guy homeless are two different things
13:29 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: You should have looked more closely at the shit that was being said then
13:29 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Why?  He wasn't the ONLY author
13:29 <@Dagmar> There was *lots* of hypocrisy coming from the 'cis'-term using crowd
13:29 < nachoguy> but it's also one of the reasons I enjoy going to old man barbers.  They're not hatefully racist, they're just several decades behind on what is and isn't proper terminology
13:30 <@Dagmar> hehe
13:30 <@brimstone> "he's a happy racist"
13:30 < nachoguy> that part of town's getting pretty dark, but the sports teams are improving, and we need that
13:31 <@Dagmar> https://www.google.com/search?q=mozilla+ceo+homophobe <-- note the level of bullshit going on in the hits
13:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: mozilla ceo homophobe - Google Search (at www.google.com)
13:32 < nachoguy> also, usually some derogatory things said about politicians
13:32 < nachoguy> and stories about "the good old days"
13:33 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: If I had a nickel for every article writer who was pissed off about the inflammatory headline their article was given...
13:33 <@Dagmar> It's not just the headlines
13:34 <@Dagmar> There were _plenty_ of entirely inflammatory articles, almost none involving reason or fair-dealing.
13:34 <@Dagmar> Eich gave no public explanation for the donation because 1) it's his private life and 2) the people asking were never apparently asking a reasonable question
13:35 < aestetix> Dagmar: I'd suggest that many of those people are super vitriolic to fend off any possible accusations that *they* might be racist.
13:35 <@Dagmar> Only seldom would anyone ever even admit to #2 being a factor, beause it was just too good to say "EICH REFUSES TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF"
13:36 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I just read one of the articles you linked.  Apparently, Eich also gave to Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign
13:36 <@Dagmar> You saw how long that shit went on with the old moron Imus
13:36 <@Corydon76-home> Apparently, that revelation is what caused his support on Mozilla's board to disappear overnight.
13:37 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: I doubt that.  Either way, it's _his right_ to back whoever he wants to, politically
13:37 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Yes it is.  But it's also the right of the Mozilla board to ask for his resignation for any reason whatsoever
13:37 <@Dagmar> Imus wasn't very smart.
13:37 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Actually, no, it's not
13:38 <@Corydon76-home> CEOs serve at the pleasure of the board
13:38 <@Dagmar> It's explicitly _illegal_ in California for them to take any action whatsoever against him because of any political donations he has mad.
13:38 <@Dolemite> The board has the right to ask for a resignation if the CEO becomes a distraction.
13:39 <@Dagmar> They can ask, but they were on dodgy legal ground
13:39 <@Dagmar> ...and howling masses of idiots don't listen to reason.
13:39 <@Dolemite> It really has nothing to do with the politics, and all about the kind of press that they receive
13:40 <@wilpig> Dolemite: so what you're saying is they had bad publicists?
13:41 <@wilpig> who else do we know with a publicist? hrmmm?  who was that?  
13:41  * wilpig stares are the sellout
13:41 <@wilpig> s/are/at/
13:41 <@Dolemite> wilpig: Pretty much
13:41 <@wilpig> wait a second.. did we find out about rattle's little secret while you were at datacenter world or before?
13:42 <@Dagmar> That reminds me that I need to call someone tonight
13:42 <@Dolemite> Since I have no clue who or what you're talking about
13:43 < aestetix> penis
13:43 <@SuMo_D> glorious penis
13:46 < nachoguy> hot sausage and mustard
13:46 <@Corydon76-home> Cold jelly and custard
13:46 < nachoguy> hah
13:47 <@Corydon76-home> nachoguy: I wouldn't have picked you for one to know showtunes.
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13:47 <@SuMo_D> wasn't the OK and Mozilla thing over a month ago?
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13:48 < nachoguy> dang, wrong window, again
13:48 <@SuMo_D> was just trying to see if I missed something new?
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13:49 <@Corydon76-home> Nothing new, just my use of the term "witch hunt" in regards to GitHub brought Dagmar trying to compare to Mozilla
13:49 < nachoguy> reference to a musical; don't recall which one
13:50 <@Corydon76-home> "Oliver!"
13:51 < aestetix> "Vagina!"
13:51 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: that's not the name of a musical
13:51 < aestetix> And yes, "please sir, can I have some more?" works
13:51 < nachoguy> it's half the name of a stage show
13:52 <@SuMo_D> it should be the name of a musical
13:52 < nachoguy> The aestetix monologues
13:52 <@SuMo_D> Vagina monologues to music
13:52 < aestetix> btw
13:52 < aestetix> I just got appointed to a government committee
13:53 < aestetix> To help oversee the privacy policy for the oakland surveillance center
13:53 <@Dagmar> Oh dear
13:53 <@Corydon76-home> The sex offenders list isn't a government committee, aestetix
13:53 <@Dagmar> heheh
13:53 < aestetix> hahah
13:54 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: you should join the committee for stupid jokes
13:54 <@SuMo_D> that's awesome aestetix
13:55 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I was rejected for being too witty
13:56 < nachoguy> aestetix: that'll last until some one asks what they should be surveiling, and you froth at the mouth  and start jumping around like Steve Ballmer yelling "vagina! vagina! Vagina!"
13:57 < aestetix> "Vagina.... I once knew a girl with vagina..."
13:57 <@wilpig> liar
13:59 <@wilpig> there's a committee for stupid jokes?    How is Notlarry not the president of that?
13:59 <@wilpig> or chair, or whatever
13:59 < aestetix> He's on the alcohol committee
14:01 < aestetix> speaking of committees, IDESG has been on fire today
14:01 < aestetix> There was a negative news article about IDESG, and in response the privacy committee was debating what to do, but they couldn't decide on what terminology to respond using because that's still locked in the taxonomy committe
14:02 <@SuMo_D> ha
14:02 <@SuMo_D> committes
14:03 < aestetix> SuMo_D: actually my favorite example of committee abuse
14:03 <@SuMo_D> they're so useful sometimes... and then there's the uhhhhh whooops there's something we need to respond to ? hmmmm
14:03 < aestetix> Occupy Oakland tried to organize itself by creating subcommittees for everything
14:03 < aestetix> But then they got into fights trying to figure out what the the subcommittees
14:03 < aestetix> And which action items should go into which committees
14:04 < aestetix> And yes, they all called themselves anarchists
14:04 < aestetix> And oh man, when someone suggested that a representative from every subcommittee report back to the main commmittee
14:04 < aestetix> "We can't have structure!"
14:04 <@SuMo_D> yep
14:05 <@SuMo_D> sounds about right
14:05 <@SuMo_D> when I'm well enough.... I'm going to be a benevolent dictator
14:06 <@SuMo_D> setup a computer lab and electronics build room, and be the Woman in charge.... I'm all for community... but it gets so ridiculous if people can't get on the same page or work together well
14:06 <@SuMo_D> might as well just run it as a business
14:07 <@SuMo_D> I donno we'll see if it actually works out that way... but right now seems like the best option
14:09 < aestetix> Most people I know who are fans of bureaucracy haven't seen the ways it can be abused.
14:12 <@SuMo_D> true
14:15 <@SuMo_D> So I recently replayed Final Fantasy 2 and Super Mario Brothers
14:15 <@SuMo_D> and they were awesome!
14:15 <@SuMo_D> but I remember them being so much harder....
14:20 < nachoguy> i started playing ff1 a while back on an emulator, but it was so damn slow I couldn't take it.
14:21 < nachoguy> the emulator ran quick enough, but every time one of the characters leveled up, I'd have to spend 3 minutes, going through the stat increases
14:21 <@SuMo_D> yeah they do have a different pace
14:21 <@SuMo_D> that's kinda what I like about them
14:22 <@SuMo_D> my friend gave me his DS and I tried playing a more contemporary RPG and I just couldn't get into it
14:22 <@SuMo_D> FF2 was so much more fun... but it just seemed so much shorter than I remember it
14:23 <@SuMo_D> maybe cause I didn't have to take turns with my brother this time
14:27 <@Corydon76-home> My boss just sent me his GPS coordinates (sfw): http://www.mapquest.com/?version=1.0&hk=2-G3QeyITR
14:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: MapQuest Maps - Driving Directions - Map (at www.mapquest.com)
14:28 <@SuMo_D> Did you guys see/sign this yet? https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/reclassify-internet-broadband-providers-common-carriers/4MrqLTlV
14:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Reclassify Internet broadband providers as common carriers. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government (at petitions.whitehouse.gov)
14:29 <@Corydon76-home> SuMo_D: I read the analysis of why the FCC chairman chose his direction, and I actually agree with it.
14:30 < aestetix> SuMo_D: no, because I don't sign online petitions.
14:30 <@SuMo_D> link?
14:30 <@Corydon76-home> Consider that a common carrier has a duty to connect from point A to point B.  Now consider the problem of spam.
14:30 < aestetix> I've kind of decided that they are all useless.
14:30 <@SuMo_D> and yes I didn't expect a terror squid to sign
14:30 < aestetix> haha
14:31 <@SuMo_D> and most of them are... but this is an actual whitehouse.gov one
14:31 <@SuMo_D> figured its a better shot
14:31 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: when was your first experience using a butt plug on someone?
14:31 < aestetix> SuMo_D: take a look at the petitions they havent' answered first :)
14:31 <@opticron> aestetix, you have to save those for AFTER work, remember?
14:31 <@Corydon76-home> SuMo_D: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-werbach/network-neutrality_b_5221780.html
14:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Perfect and the Good on Network Neutrality | Kevin Werbach (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
14:33 <@SuMo_D> thx
14:34 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I've never used such a thing
14:34 < aestetix> Wow, really?
14:34 <@Corydon76-home> Why would I?
14:34 < aestetix> On someone else? Maybe they requested it?
14:35 <@Corydon76-home> Your sexual experiences do not mirror mine.
14:35 < aestetix> s/Your/Shadow404's/
14:35 <@Corydon76-home> In a way, mine are a lot more tame.
14:36 < aestetix> What's your wildest fantasy?
14:36 <@Corydon76-home> My fantasies are inappropriate discussion for this channel
14:36 < aestetix> Do they involve Skydog?
14:37 <@Corydon76-home> God, no
14:38 < aestetix> What about wilpig?
14:39 <@Corydon76-home> That's your fantasy, not mine.
14:39 < aestetix> What, wilpig and skydog getting it on?
14:39 <@Corydon76-home> Again, your fantasy, not mine.
14:40 < aestetix> It's ok. The shadow is sensitive.
14:41 <@SuMo_D> oh, aestetix I forgot to ask, do you know a guy named Marco? I met him at Moogfest
14:42 < aestetix> ...... maybe?
14:42 < aestetix> Did he know me?
14:42 <@SuMo_D> he said he hangs around noisebridge
14:42 <@SuMo_D> yeah he thought he might
14:42 < aestetix> I don't know offhand.
14:42 <@SuMo_D> he does venerability testing and whatnot
14:43 <@SuMo_D> anyway he was babysitting the strangeloop installation, and he started talking about Defcon
14:43 <@Corydon76-home> He tests whether others have a high opinion of people?
14:44 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/venerable
14:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Venerable - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (at www.merriam-webster.com)
14:44 <@SuMo_D> ha whoops
14:45 <@SuMo_D> yeah I switch words... doh... something I do...
14:45 <@Corydon76-home> I should totally put venerability testing on my resume
14:45 <@Dagmar> What she really meant was 'venerial'.
14:45 <@SuMo_D> you totally should
14:46 <@Corydon76-home> venereal?
14:46 <@Dagmar> I like the idea of venerability testing, howeer.
14:47 <@Dagmar> er however
14:47 <@SuMo_D> http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/05/r-i-p-ipod-sony-unveils-cassette-tape-that-can-hold-64750000-songs/
14:47 <@SuMo_D> so this looks like a spoof.... but is pretty interesting
14:47 <@Dagmar> Someone finally put a freaking thumbdrive into a cassette adapter?
14:48 <@Dagmar> Oh... That's not a spoof
14:48 <@Dagmar> They just conveniently mention this is in LTO-space, not audio cassettes.
14:48 <@Dagmar> er fail to mention
14:49 <@Dagmar> Since it looks like this may be an "audiophile" site, it could easily be that they're just fuckin' stupid.
14:49 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, looks like they're idiots
14:51 <@Dagmar> I'd link it on my G+ page to highlight the rampant ignorance, but stupid people on the internet is unfortunately not newsworthy.
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15:06 <@Dagmar> LOL
15:06 <@Dagmar> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=34-101-329
15:06 <@Dagmar> Note the specs carefully
15:13 < nachoguy> Dagmar: it's criminally underpowered.
15:13 < nachoguy> besides that, what's up?
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15:22 <@Dagmar> _2Gb_ RAM?
15:24 <@Dolemite> Maximum allowed is 4 Gb, which is just as bad for Windows
15:24 <@Dagmar> It's almost like they *want* people to throw it out a window
15:25 < nachoguy> like I said, criminally underpowered
15:25 < nachoguy> I did miss the 4 G max though.  that's just wrong
15:43 <@Corydon76-home> and no wired Ethernet port
16:57 < nachoguy> Corydon76-home: most Macs don't have them either
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16:57 < nachoguy> they're too old fashioned
16:57 <@Corydon76-home> nachoguy: aren't they supported with a dongle, though?
16:58 < nachoguy> I assume so.  Not even Apple could be that narcissistic .
16:58 <@Dagmar> *giggle*
17:00 <@wilpig> I can confirm existence of a mac dongle for ethernet.
17:00 <@wilpig> I have many available to me here
17:00 <@Dagmar> heh
17:01 < nachoguy> wilpig: you have a handful of dongle?
17:01 <@Dagmar> heheh
17:02 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: USB or Thunderbolt port?
17:03 <@Dagmar> TMI
17:06 <@wilpig> thunderbolt
17:07 <@wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6rhyghrcgyo8ymt/2014-05-05%2017.07.04.jpg
17:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-05-05 17.07.04.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
17:07 <@wilpig> this one happens to be smashed
17:11 < frsilent> yah for irssi
17:14 <@wilpig> alright.  i'm getting the fuck outta here
17:15 < nachoguy> https://twitter.com/FartSandwich/status/462683022957875200
17:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / FartSandwich: I made a new friend today. ... (at twitter.com)
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17:33 < RangerZ> Dagmar: http://forum.swype.com/showthread.php?13052-Swype-makes-almost-4000-location-requests-every-day lol
17:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Swype makes almost 4000 location requests every day (at forum.swype.com)
17:44 <@rattle> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gjkivAf3
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17:50 <@Dagmar> rattle: I don't get how that's not on the FD list by now
17:52 <@rattle> Could be a hoax..
17:53 <@Dagmar> I begin to suspect as much since 5-6 days ongoing for something like this, and not a peep on FD?
17:53 <@Dagmar> I'd think by now the OpenSSH guys would have identified and obliterated the bug and we'd all be in patch-some-shit mode again
17:54 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Thhat has to be a bug.  The rate the queries are happening is just stupidly high
17:54 < RangerZ> yeah
17:57 < RangerZ> like the one comment makes, probably dead code, thats getting called wayyyyy too often
17:57 < RangerZ> or 'should be dead' more accurately
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17:59 < RangerZ> http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/05/04/google-shopping-express-is-coming-to-manhattan-west-los-angeles/8629199/ I for one know I would never go to walmart/target/walgreens/staples/grocery stores if this was an option in nashville
17:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google Shopping Express comes to NYC, west L.A. (at www.usatoday.com)
18:00 < RangerZ> I'd easily pay a 10% fee a month to not have to go shopping myself for that crap, especially if I can get it delivered to my door (not just the front office, though I might not mind that now with the cutie working at the office... lol)
18:02 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: I thought you had a gf already
18:02 < RangerZ> nah
18:03 < RangerZ> been single for since _last_ jan
18:03 < RangerZ> she wasn't mentally mature enough to marry, and she didn't want to move down here and 'leave her family'
18:04 <@Corydon76-home> Uh, wow
18:04 <@Dagmar> wow.  batshit crazy doesnt even begin http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/Rants/TAD/2014/04/Rant140429.html
18:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Temple Operating System (at www.templeos.org)
18:04 < RangerZ> so by June of that year, she was married, and living in Japan (To the 'friend' of hers who I'm _sure_ was torpedoing me since we met, b/c it was painfully obvious he liked her, etc)
18:05 < RangerZ> so he played the "grass is greener over here" type of card, and swept her off her feet, and they moved on base in japan, lol
18:05 <@Dagmar> I would suggest strong drink before looking directly at http://www.templeos.org/TempleOSV0207.html
18:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Temple Operating System (at www.templeos.org)
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18:07 < RangerZ> and the funniest part is... it really didn't bother me. (no honestly... it didn't)
18:09 < RangerZ> lol, b/c I already had figured it would happen eventually, but I will admit I was shocked, I figured He'd date her for a year or so first, b/c I felt like she was being 'told' things to say when we'd have talks about stuff.... stuff that wouldn't normally be of her own train of thought, or 'odd' wordings for her, etc...
18:11 < RangerZ> she's a great person, and I honestly hope the best for her, but she was too emotionally immature to handle an honest adult relationship. (lots to say there, but 'ehh') lol, She was 20 when I met her, and 23 when broke up, and I was first 'real' boyfriend ...etc... lol (so yeah... I'm single, hehe)
18:19 < frsilent> Dagmar: that guy's been linked to & posts on /r/programming quite frequently
18:19 < frsilent> believe I read that he is 100% serious & has several mental disorders
18:20 < frsilent> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1aqdxn/temple_operating_system_v100_released/
18:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Temple Operating System V1.00 Released : programming (at www.reddit.com)
18:22 < frsilent> to be fair a lot of the RE stuff I've read is pretty cryptic & borderline-crazy as well
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19:30 < RangerZ> ok... https://vulcan.isis.vanderbilt.edu/ thats pretty nice to see they actually got it working
19:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Vulcan (at vulcan.isis.vanderbilt.edu)
19:30 < RangerZ> distributed CAD collaboration tool
19:31 < RangerZ> guess its a 'framework' so it'll handle other non-cad stuff too *shrugs*
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20:19 < aestetix> Oh boy, this is gonna get fun.
20:20 < aestetix> The spy center Oakland wants to set up with grant money from the DHS
20:20 < aestetix> Sure enough, DHS wants people to sign an NDA.
20:26 < RangerZ> lol
20:26 < RangerZ> hope you 'have' to sign it for your new post
20:26 < aestetix> oh christ
20:26 < aestetix> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140503/04264427106/us-government-begins-rollout-its-drivers-license-internet.shtml
20:26 < aestetix> RangerZ: I will promptly tell them to go fuck themselves
20:26 < aestetix> them = DHS
20:28 < RangerZ> whats the problem I want everyone to use their government issued online ID, that will improve the quality of speech in here
20:28 < aestetix> haha
20:28 < RangerZ> just imagine if aestetix or crazypants had to deal with quote bots quoting what they say, and then putting it on fliers to their neighbors
20:28 < aestetix> I think we should force Dagmar to use his legal name. Nobody else.
20:29 < RangerZ> Leave Aiden Pearce out of this
20:30 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpLAdHv7TcQ
20:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: North Korea Releases Report On American Human Rights Abuses - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:33 < aestetix> RangerZ: the thing is
20:33 < aestetix> That article is about the org I'm involved in
20:33 < aestetix> I'm really amused at the spin the author has taken on it.
20:40 <@Shadow404> Catonic: clear skies tonight?
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20:46 < aestetix> RangerZ: I do like the idea of a stooge from DHS coming to make their case, and I'll sit there saying "states rights, bitch"
20:47 < RangerZ> you realize that states don't have rights , right?
20:47 < RangerZ> 14th ammendment hasn't been gutted entirely by the Roberts Court yet
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20:48 < RangerZ> interstate commerce, is still a PITA to libertarian fairytails
20:48 < RangerZ> (yes I spelled it tails, on purpose)
20:48 < aestetix> heh
20:48 <@Shadow404> aestetix: heh, shadow is sensitive
20:48 <@Shadow404> aestetix: diaf, srsly
20:48 < aestetix> Shadow404: what did I do
20:48 < aestetix> RangerZ: I also know that this is the oldest battle in the country's history
20:49 <@Shadow404> i read back
20:49 <@Shadow404> it was a convo with Corydon and buttplugs
20:49 < aestetix> And I'm willing to tell the big bad DHS to go fuck itself
20:49 < aestetix> And yeah, the Roberts Supreme Court has been something else.
20:51 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: what would you call the 11th Amendment, if not a state right?
20:52 < RangerZ> doesn't matter
20:52 < RangerZ> higher # amendments over-ride lower level ones
20:52 < aestetix> uh
20:52 < RangerZ> yes
20:52 < RangerZ> yes they do
20:52 < aestetix> You mean they over-ride amendments they are designed to replace
20:52 < aestetix> Such as the 21st over the 18th
20:52 <@Corydon76-home> The 11th Amendment privileges states from being sued by the citizens of another state
20:53 < RangerZ> if 28th amendment gets rid of freedom of speech it would be "constitutional"
20:53 < aestetix> (18th is prohibition, 21st ands prohibition)
20:53 <@Corydon76-home> and as far as I know, nothing overrides the 11th Amendment
20:53 <@brimstone> we only have states for tax reasons guys
20:53 < RangerZ> yes, that is correct , however it doesn't have to 'explicit' override
20:53 < RangerZ> brimstone: now a days, pretty much
20:54 < RangerZ> a 'state' is a an old term from the confederate states of america's constitution
20:54 < RangerZ> should just be province
20:54 < aestetix> brimstone: that just means that states need to start pushing back where it matters
20:54 < RangerZ> b/c US states are in no way 'states' like the "2 state solution" would be, lol
20:55 <@brimstone> and how generic is the name United States?
20:55 <@brimstone> i vote we call it Obamaland
20:55 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: that pretty much ended with President Lincoln
20:55 < aestetix> heh
20:55 < RangerZ> nah, ReaganLand
20:56 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: don't even get me started.
20:56 <@brimstone> Churchhillstonia
20:56 < RangerZ> fucking repblicans already tried to do it... to name ALL coastal waters in the US as 'Reagan free-water zone'
20:56 < RangerZ> or some BS like that
20:56 < aestetix> I just wish the people in power would pick good issues to fight the states rights battles
20:56 <@Corydon76-home> Nixonian states of America.  They're all about as corrupt
20:56 < aestetix> Not fucking abortion and health care
20:56 < RangerZ> aestetix: Republicans = Evangelical christians
20:57 < aestetix> you know
20:57 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: what about the original states rights issue of slavery?
20:57 < RangerZ> simple as that (for the base ~30% of the country or so)
20:57 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: or that
20:57 < RangerZ> or indentured servitude
20:57 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: the tarriff issue is way more reasonable
20:57 < RangerZ> aka student loans
20:57 <@brimstone> fuck yah! indentured servitutde!
20:57 < aestetix> RangerZ: I'd argue that the federal government doesn't even have much power anymore
20:57 < aestetix> It's all in the hands of corporations
20:57 < RangerZ> umm
20:57 < RangerZ> 'oligarchy'
20:58 <@Corydon76-home> Conservatives now have it in their heads to repeal the 19th Amendment
20:58 < RangerZ> which is why 28th HAS to be limiting influence of money
20:58 < aestetix> RangerZ: I would love to see that.
20:58 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: b/c they can't win the senate otherwise, but they can win a 'majority' of the states' elections...
20:58 < aestetix> Instead, I could see the GOP tring to push through a constitutional ban on same sex marriage or somehing
20:58 < RangerZ> obviously
20:59 < RangerZ> aestetix: trying? they already put it up for a vote
20:59 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: never going to happen.  The people don't approve constitutional amendments, only the state legislatures do
20:59 < aestetix> ok there you go
20:59 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, the GOP has lost on same sex marriage
20:59 < RangerZ> correction Corydon76-home, only state legislatures HAVE, not 'can'
21:00 < RangerZ> last amendment was approved by enough states-1 to have a const. convention for the ratification of it
21:00 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: Article V is very clear on that
21:01 < RangerZ> " or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, "
21:01 < RangerZ> yes.... yes it is
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21:03 < RangerZ> and the first state (New Hampshire) has already passed a state level call for a convention to pass a 28th amendment to 1) block $ = speech, say corporations are NOT people, and (one more thing I forget exact wording, but limiting personal donations to campaigns)
21:03 < RangerZ> you can end-run around the congress with the state-started convention
21:04 <@Dickie> 4) free mustache rides
21:04 < RangerZ> only for you and rhia
21:04 < RangerZ> you give, she receives
21:04  * brimstone gives RangerZ a Victim Card
21:05  * RangerZ shrugs
21:05 < RangerZ> not the first V-card I had for 20+ years
21:07 < RangerZ> but thank god not 30+ years like some of the people who have been in here
21:17 <@Dagmar> 0lol
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21:58 < RangerZ> yay for working from home until friday now ;)
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22:27 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL7S7eqqx2U&amp;feature=youtube_gdata holy fuck...  these kind of people need to just shot in the back of the head
22:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Schoolgirls Enslaved For Sale & Sex Brags Grinning Boko Haram Leader - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:20 < oddball> RangerZ: Were you the one that was telling me about continued militia run checkpoints around the Bundy ranch?
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23:28 <@klixa> i got ducks in my swimming pool
23:33 < oddball> You have a pool? Nice.
23:33 < oddball> Well, unless you're like Critch who has said "fuck it" to maintaining the thing.
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23:34 <@klixa> oddball: apartment
23:34 <@klixa> so its not my own personal pool
23:34 <@oddball> ah.... so someone else deals with that shit. :)
23:35 <@klixa> yeah
23:39 <@klixa> https://z-1-scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/q77/s720x720/10245394_274285692753630_5028632736193373211_n.jpg
23:41 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/24s9h1/my_niece_is_in_deep_shit_blogs_deleted_twitter/
23:41 < aestetix> Dagmar: you'll love this thread
23:45 <@klixa> too mcuh to read
23:46 < aestetix> it's a thread on social justice warriors
23:47 <@klixa> is that the opposite of a nimby?
23:48 < aestetix> Oh that's an interesting question.
23:48 < aestetix> I think nimbys at least come into contact with the people they scream about
23:49 <@klixa> so an SJW would be like the people telling me i was horrible for not wanting to drive through compton....yet have never left malibu/the valley ever
23:49 < aestetix> yep
23:50 < aestetix> Or they have the token black friend who they feel makes them justified in everything
23:50 <@klixa> their token froend was the whitest person ever in the hisotry of the world,  and a starbucks barista
23:51 <@klixa> he was *black* but only in skin color
23:51 < aestetix> ye
23:51 < aestetix> yep*
23:52 <@klixa> LA is more SJW and the bay is more Nimbby
23:53 <@klixa> i remember in berkely 2 years ago people complaining about cell signal YET not wanting cell towers anywhere near their homes
23:53 < aestetix> sounds about right
23:53 < aestetix> Like the people who go through your trash and then knock on your door and yell at you when they find one thing that should have been in recycling
23:54 <@klixa> we have a bbq smoker
23:54 <@klixa> and it puts out a TON of smoke...and yet someone complained about osmeone smoking a cigarette on my balcony
23:54 <@klixa> AS IF that could be noticed
23:54 < aestetix> haha
23:55 <@oddball> oh god... I have found the knife I'm buying when switchblades become legal in this state on July 1st: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_jPlq6oZVQ&feature=youtu.be
23:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Microtech Giant Halo 3X-- Huge Knife - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:57 <@oddball> and on related note... a FB friend of mine has posted a "white privlidge" article.  I'm tempted to comment "so... I'm supposed to appologize for the color of my skin?"
23:57 <@klixa> i like being white
23:58 <@klixa> everyone in this channel is white right? i dont wanna get called a racist or something
23:58 < aestetix> I'm not white
23:58 < aestetix> I'm irish
23:58 <@oddball> I'm mostly Italian.
23:59 <@klixa> thats white
23:59 < aestetix> And you do realize that until the 1960s irish was basically black
23:59 <@klixa> irish people are too pale to ever have been black :|
23:59 < aestetix> haha
23:59 <@klixa> if you mean politicaly, in new englandf they still often are seen that way
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