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00:04 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: does hdparm with with ext4 or just ext3?
00:04 <@Corydon76-home> It works directly with the disk driver, as it's an ioctl
00:05 <@Corydon76-home> Remember, it's accessing the underlying partition, as you're operating on the mount point
00:05 <@aestetix> god it
00:07 <@aestetix> apparently there is sparm
00:07 <@aestetix> sdparm
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00:28 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, lovely.  Power supply has failed on the gateway, which is why the secondary UPS was overloaded.
01:04 <@Corydon76-home> Happy Zombie Jesus Day
01:04 <@aestetix> indeed
01:05 <@aestetix> now I get to stare at rsync for 4 hours
01:14 <@Corydon76-home> Have fun
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01:27 <@aestetix> http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-you-ever-tried-to-sell-a-diamond/304575/?single_page=true
01:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Have You Ever Tried to Sell a Diamond? - Edward Jay Epstein - The Atlantic (at www.theatlantic.com)
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01:47 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: btw, does it usually take longer to copy one big file than say 50 small files, all adding up to the same size?
01:48 <@aestetix> So 1 150 gig file versus 50 10 gig file
02:28 <@RangerZ> aestetix: no
02:28 <@RangerZ> other way around
02:29 <@RangerZ> file open/closes take longer than transfer or bytes
02:29 <@RangerZ> not 10GB obviously
02:30 <@RangerZ> but i'd say a open/close of a file, is ~=to transfering of ~1KB from USB to HDD (I've actually ran this test before by accident)
02:31 <@RangerZ> had a zip file with 1000s of small files, decompressed before transferring, and it would have taken hours
02:31 <@RangerZ> copying of the zip, took like 2min
02:33 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, the secondary reason for that is that with the access of a single file, sequential reads are incredibly fast.  When you need to close one file and open another, the OS doesn't have a clue what block is going to be read next.
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02:34 <@RangerZ> over a faster connection, it might be more noticeable, FTP over lan, would take an even bigger % hit than USB
02:34 <@Corydon76-home> Thus, no caching and the additional hit of a disk seek
02:34 <@RangerZ> the more 'small' files you have
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02:34 <@RangerZ> yes/no Corydon76-home
02:35 <@RangerZ> the way caching works is it pulls in the entire line into memory
02:35 <@RangerZ> so if the next file is the next bits, then you're actually fine
02:35 <@RangerZ> but no guarantee of that
02:35 <@Corydon76-home> In the case of a filesystem copy, it may be more efficient simply to unmount both filesystems and copy the raw blocks, then expand the filesystem on the new device to encompass the entire space of the device.
02:36 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: in the case of filesystem reads, though, the reads are all done in terms of disk blocks
02:37 <@Corydon76-home> and due to filesystem design, most filesystems don't allow different files to coexist within a single disk block
02:38 <@RangerZ> yeah, my friends ended up taking an adv. Unix/C programming course, where they _wrote_ the code to do that exact operation, on ext2, making the fucking info tables for the FS, and all... it was kinda funny to watch them kill themselves doing it, lol
02:38 <@Corydon76-home> ReiserFS is one example where that is permitted, though typically only the ends of various files (the tails)
02:39 <@RangerZ> ok, I can see that, FS is actually the only part of a kernel I haven't written before (Not a single kernel, but different parts at different times)
02:39 <@RangerZ> processes/ram mang. is where i spent my time :(
02:39 <@RangerZ> b/c that has fucking uses... lol
02:40 <@Corydon76-home> Filesystem management is actually very similar to memory management
02:40 <@RangerZ> good exercises in memory mang. and multi-threading, but 'hands on' not so much
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02:41 <@aestetix> RangerZ: you should work on hurd
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02:42 <@RangerZ> yeah no... I actually did some work on its predicessor MACH
02:42 <@RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)
02:43 <@RangerZ> wrote a honors paper describing its internals, and other shit, then ran out of time, and never did the other half of the paper describing a monolithci kernel
02:43 <@RangerZ> lol
02:44 <@RangerZ> thankfully, I took more honors classes than I needed, so I just said 'screw it, I need sleep' lol
02:45 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: what's the most number of times you've ejaculated in one day?
02:47 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, dear god, we were into a good discussion of filesystems, and you had to spoil it, didn't you?
02:47 <@aestetix> It's topical.
02:47 <@RangerZ> no, no its not
02:48 <@RangerZ> Corydon76-home: but doesn't linux and bsd both have a good predictive caching scheme for memcache
02:48 <@RangerZ> where it loads more than just blocks, but 'lines' of blocks
02:49 <@RangerZ> thereby considering each 'block' an 'address' as you would in RAM?
02:50 <@Corydon76-home> As long as they are contiguous on disk, yes
02:51 <@RangerZ> hmm, looks like this is still an open research topic
02:51 <@RangerZ> I thought it was further along
02:51 <@RangerZ> but either way aestetix
02:52 <@RangerZ> if your system doesn't use transactions
02:52 <@aestetix> http://chortle.ccsu.edu/AssemblyTutorial/Chapter-09/ass09_2.html who can tell me what's wrong with this page
02:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Starting SPIM (at chortle.ccsu.edu)
02:52 <@Corydon76-home> Also, as long as the next several disk blocks are the same track, although switching tracks isn't really a big problem, either.
02:52 <@RangerZ> your DB can get _horribly_ corrupt
02:52 <@aestetix> RangerZ: it does use transactions.
02:52 <@RangerZ> aestetix: it isn't HTML5 compliant
02:53 <@aestetix> RangerZ: I was going to say "They are using Windows Me to teach a class"
02:53 <@RangerZ> duh
02:53 <@RangerZ> lol
02:53 <@RangerZ> actually you have to, when teaching assembly ...sorta...  b/c newer OSes do some things that will make you cry if you don't understand them
02:54 <@Corydon76-home> Either of you know how to get Windows 7 on a system that doesn't have a DVD drive, nor does it have a bootable USB bus?
02:54 <@RangerZ> ASLR address space layout randomization
02:54 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: network boot?
02:54 <@RangerZ> yeah
02:55 <@RangerZ> also, if it _can_ run win7, i'd check the bios
02:55 <@Corydon76-home> Windows 7 install permits network boot?
02:55 <@RangerZ> all win OSs do
02:55 <@RangerZ> since like 98SE or something
02:55 <@aestetix> I have no idea
02:55 <@RangerZ> maybe 2000
02:56 <@Corydon76-home> The CPU will support WIndows 7.
02:56 <@RangerZ> http://www.ccboot.com/network-boot.htm
02:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: How to Network Boot Windows XP, Windows 7, Vista with Network Boot Software - CCBoot (at www.ccboot.com)
02:56 <@Corydon76-home> It's a 1GHz PIII
02:56 <@RangerZ> pretty sure bios has to support the network boot also
02:57 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, yeah... it's a good question
02:58 <@aestetix> Ok so maybe I'm getting older and jaded
02:58 <@aestetix> But all these "disturbing" movies seem to be directed by ex-catholics
02:58 <@RangerZ> 'disturbing' to who?
02:58 <@aestetix> I was watching "Begotten" and it just seemed.... over the top.
02:58 <@aestetix> RangerZ: It was on a list of "disturbing" movies.
02:59 <@RangerZ> aestetix: but that doesnt really mean a whole lot , just being 'ex catholics'
02:59 <@aestetix> Well Catholics have this whole guilt and rebellion thing
02:59 <@aestetix> And they seem more likely to create movies that are doing some sort of sacrelige
03:00 <@aestetix> And I mean.... a movie title like Begotten
03:00 <@RangerZ> b/c 1) its hollywood 2) catholics are #1 religion(denomination) in USA 3) catholics actually go to CCD or catholic school (a lot of them)
03:00 <@aestetix> And the movie has all these fucked up things that involve a christ figure
03:00 <@aestetix> I'm kind of likke "Ok. I get it. You have some issues with religion...."
03:00 <@RangerZ> so they know their religious symbolism , and know how to use it
03:01 <@aestetix> I guess I find it more annoying than disturbing.
03:01 <@RangerZ> but yeah, there is definitely a lot of people who were just rebelling
03:01 <@aestetix> I guess I"m more interested in character development and having things happen to characters I can relate with
03:02 <@aestetix> Than someone taking a knife and slicing their stomach open and spilling their guts, and filming the whole thing in grainy black and white and having funny noises
03:02 <@RangerZ> yeah, you can see that shit in oakland live on thursdays
03:02 <@aestetix> haha
03:03 <@aestetix> well I can see how it's appealing to someone who has a vague understanding of theology
03:03 <@RangerZ> the general US populace ?
03:03 <@aestetix> indeed.
03:04 <@RangerZ> best way to make someone an atheist, have them read the bible
03:04 <@aestetix> Most people who say that haven't ;)
03:04 <@RangerZ> i haven't read it cover to cover, agreed
03:04 <@aestetix> I mean, there are some really interesting things you could ask. Eco's Name of the Rose covers some of them.
03:05 <@RangerZ> but I have read the quaran (nice translations online, despite them being 'blasphemous'), and other holy works
03:05 <@aestetix> I'm far more interested in the dilemmas of theology than watching that crap.
03:05 <@aestetix> haha
03:05 <@aestetix> Also, Fellini gets into some of the dilemmas in his works.
03:05 <@aestetix> I guess it's just.... there are ways to be really deeply disturbing without being so gawdy about it.
03:06 <@RangerZ> but IMHO, story of Job, Noah, genesis(Both stories, including Lilith), and Sodom & Gemora (sp?) is enough to know how you stand on the bible
03:07 <@aestetix> Uh, Noah is part of Genesis. And Genesis has a lot more than just basic creation.
03:07 <@RangerZ> Jefferson Bible = philospophical work of great value, bible = politlcal work from 3rd cent. CE
03:07 <@aestetix> Although yes, Lilith is important.
03:07 <@aestetix> Calvin's bible is also interesting.
03:07 <@RangerZ> haven't read that one
03:07 <@aestetix> I have part of it, I haven't gotten through it all though.
03:08 <@aestetix> John Calvin. Of Calvinism.
03:08 <@aestetix> It's less a bible, and more that he wrote commentary on every book of the bible.
03:08 <@RangerZ> yeah i know, just haven't gotten to it
03:08 <@aestetix> I also have Augustine's City of God laying around.
03:08 <@aestetix> I should put that next to my Nietzsche anthology.
03:08 <@RangerZ> and by 'genesis' I meant the 7 days account, which is what people use to refute radiometic dating, etc
03:09 <@aestetix> Heh.
03:09 <@RangerZ> my room-mate for a summer was one of those people
03:09 <@aestetix> My favorite take on that is actually Scopes Monkey trial.
03:09 <@RangerZ> he thought it was funny that people thought oil was from millions of years ago
03:09 <@aestetix> Do you know if that's where gap theory comes from, actually?
03:09 <@aestetix> I haven't found (or looked for) gap theory before Clarence Darrow.
03:09 <@RangerZ> 'god of the gaps' ?
03:10 <@aestetix> No, it's the idea that genesis mentions the word "day" before god created light and dark
03:10 <@RangerZ> lol
03:10 <@aestetix> And the implication that the first day could be several billion years
03:11 <@RangerZ> actually I'm a Deist , b/c I see no reason to believe that a clock-maker god didn't/doesn't exist
03:11 <@aestetix> I'm a Discordian :)
03:11 <@RangerZ> b/c gods know... I get fucked by karma if I even look at someone crosseyeed
03:11 <@RangerZ> but other people can get away with murder, both fig. and lit.
03:12 <@aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gap_creationism
03:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Gap creationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
03:12 <@RangerZ> also... the idea that earth is only 6500 years old
03:12 <@aestetix> well there we go
03:12 <@aestetix> Gap creationism became increasingly attractive near the end of the eighteenth century and first half of the nineteenth century, because the newly established science of geology had determined that the Earth was far older than common interpretations of Genesis and the Bible-based Flood geology would allow.
03:12 <@RangerZ> makes me instantly realize that you aren't worth listening to in any discussion
03:13 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: I'm an atheist, at least until someone provides actual proof for a god existing
03:13 <@RangerZ> Corydon76-home: weev was in jail for months, b/c he is a prick, thats proof enough for me
03:13 <@RangerZ> ;) LOL
03:14 <@RangerZ> but seriously, deist/agnostic is basiclly the same thing
03:14 <@Corydon76-home> I love that his release on a technicality pissed him off to no end, however
03:14 <@aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial
03:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: Scopes Trial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
03:14 <@RangerZ> just if you lean more likely/unlikely
03:14 <@aestetix> There's a fantastic movie (and book and play) about this called Inherit the Wind
03:14 <@RangerZ> ohh I didn't know that, I saw how he said 'come get me' to FBI
03:14 <@RangerZ> saw that news headline, and didn't bother reading it
03:14 <@RangerZ> lol
03:16 <@RangerZ> so my mom actually grew up not 'understanding' the difference between the 'science' dates, and the 'religious' dates
03:16 <@RangerZ> and she'd get in trouble for asking
03:16 <@RangerZ> b/c honestly, no one knew how to answer her properly, so they just told her to stop asking
03:16 <@RangerZ> and thats among _pretty progressive family in the 70s_
03:17 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: yeah, weev wants to be retried in the new venue, which won't happen due to double jeopardy
03:17 <@RangerZ> honestly i'm glad it got overturned
03:17 <@RangerZ> such a bad fucking precident
03:17 <@Corydon76-home> Uh, it got overturned on a technicality
03:18 <@RangerZ> so?
03:18 <@Corydon76-home> So it set no precedent.
03:18 <@RangerZ> thats my point
03:18 <@RangerZ> i'm glad it _did_ get overturned, b/c it was such a bad precedent , if it had held
03:19 <@Corydon76-home> In other words, the specific interpretation by the prosecutors was not overturned, so they're free to pursue the same case in the future
03:19 <@RangerZ> yes, but they won't have WEEV to use it agianst
03:19 <@RangerZ> i hope...
03:19 <@RangerZ> he was basically the _best_ case defendant for them
03:19 <@Corydon76-home> They don't abandon lines of argument until a court tells them that line of argument is bullshit
03:20 <@Dagmar> Heh
03:20 <@RangerZ> personally part of me wants to be a DA, just so I can bring bad cases, and purposely get good precedents set
03:20 <@Corydon76-home> So they're free to go after the next guy who uses curl in a loop
03:20 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: the danger with that is that you might actually succeed
03:20 <@RangerZ> yeah i know
03:21 <@RangerZ> but I don't have to _do_ any arguement
03:21 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: So... when I started out playing Ingress tonight my first stop was some Nazarene church that was closed, way on the west side of town
03:21 <@Corydon76-home> And I believe you actually CAN be the DA
03:21 <@RangerZ> i can
03:21 <@Dagmar> Literally I am one mile away from the place, start getting notifications some smurf was blowing it up
03:21 <@RangerZ> no requirement of law degree
03:21 <@RangerZ> i've looked it up
03:21 <@Dagmar> There will be no subtlety of rolling up on the dude in this empty lot, so I stop at the Thorntons and get a soda
03:21 <@Corydon76-home> Right, because Constitutionally, no further qualification is permitted
03:22 <@Dagmar> Apparently I pulled into the church parking lot about thirty seconds after the smurf left
03:22 <@Dagmar> "Do you fucking deliver, man?"
03:22 <@Dagmar> They _know_ I live in on the west side of town, but that was laughably sudden retaliation
03:23 <@RangerZ> I know the DA, and most of the judges back home, and sheriff, and county engineer... etc... none of them have 'requirement' but thankfully they are all qualified , lol
03:23 <@RangerZ> lol, nice dag
03:24 <@Dagmar> I was half-expecting the cops to come hassle me
03:24 <@Dagmar> I went by five different churches, and the fifth one I think *maybe* the cop was used to people pulling into that particular spot in the parking lot
03:24 <@Dagmar> He drove right past me, ignored me completely
03:25 <@Dagmar> Either that or the Scion has the same invisibility field that the scooter does
03:25 <@RangerZ> could be he thought the car was empty
03:25 <@RangerZ> lights out?
03:25 <@RangerZ> if super-pacs, etc still exist in a few years... I'm honestly debating of having a super-pac setup that has a kick-starter funding , and have my mom run the super pac, and not have any -direct communication between me and the super pac
03:25 <@Dagmar> Well, of course
03:26 <@Dagmar> Someone managed to get Rocket Fizz made into a portal
03:26 <@Dagmar> I swear I think Niantic has my name on a list of people whose submissions will always be rejected
03:26 <@RangerZ> and then run for congress or OH senate, etc, lol
03:27 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: That is not a terribly bad idea actually
03:27 <@RangerZ> I'd have all my views stated, say that I'm up for debate, and all that, and that I want campaign finance laws, etc
03:28 <@RangerZ> basically be the tech/anti-legal bribery candidate
03:28 <@RangerZ> half this channel would probably fucking donate, let alone if real outreach was done
03:29 <@Dagmar> Being that I trust your judgement more than umm... all of the Senate combined... probably so
03:29 <@RangerZ> make a mockery of super-pacs in the doing so, have basically my entire family part of it
03:29 <@RangerZ> nope, I don't tell them what I want done
03:29 <@RangerZ> etc
03:30 <@RangerZ> appoint dagmar as my executive aide, so he can be a congressional aide
03:30 <@RangerZ> imagine that...
03:30 <@RangerZ> the havoc that would create
03:31 <@RangerZ> LOL
03:31 <@Dagmar> s/havoc/panic/
03:31 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: at least you don't have any dirty laundry that prevents you from being elected
03:32 <@RangerZ> not really, no , I don't
03:32 <@Dagmar> I can supply any such dirty laundry needed.  :)
03:32 <@RangerZ> ^
03:32 <@Dagmar> My closet looks like a Grateful Dead concert
03:32 <@Dagmar> ...although it's all terribly minor stuff
03:33 <@RangerZ> but the closets sitting NEXT to your's
03:33 <@RangerZ> cinco-de-mayo parades
03:34 <@Dagmar> Don't you mean Dia de los Muertes?
03:34 <@RangerZ> yeah...
03:35 <@Dagmar> I still can't park this car properly
03:35 <@RangerZ> honestly, i thought may5th _was_ that day
03:35 <@RangerZ> learn something new every day
03:36 <@Dagmar> Well, if it's any consolation, there's an achievement in WoW associated with that
03:36 <@Dagmar> I have consistently forgotten to go and /dance with the one NPC every fucking time
03:36 <@Dagmar> ...but hey, it only took me six years to get the Talk Like A Pirate Day achievement
03:36 <@Dagmar> Same deal there.  One NPC and I keep derping off
03:37 <@RangerZ> lol
03:37 <@RangerZ> the scion have too small of a turning radius?
03:37 <@RangerZ> throwing you off?
03:37 <@Dagmar> Dude it might as well spin on point
03:38 <@Dagmar> I am used to having to cut the wheel hard to parallel park
03:38 <@Dagmar> If I do that, I'll just be backing into the space sideways
03:38 <@Dagmar> it can do a u-turn in less than three parking spaces
03:39 <@Dagmar> In a normal pull-in space, if I pull all the way in, it "hides"
03:39 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, my Beetle is the same way
03:39 <@Corydon76-home> in terms of turning radius
03:39 <@Dagmar> I had to get out and look to see if I was parked properly on Gay St. earlier
03:40 <@Dagmar> I was.  It just looked wrong because there was five feet of space in front of me
03:40 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: you really shouldn't do that, unless you want to piss off EVERY fucking person who thinks there is a spot open, then realizes
03:40 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: It also makes the car real fun to *find*
03:40 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: same issue with anybody who rides a motorcycle, though
03:41 <@RangerZ> Corydon76-home: they aren't real drivers, you can ignore them both on the streets and in parking ltos
03:41 <@Dagmar> Well, on a motorcycle you can tell you're in about the right spot because you can see everything
03:41 <@RangerZ> lots*
03:41 <@RangerZ> lol
03:41 <@Dagmar> This car doesn't have a rear window so much as it has portholes
03:42 <@RangerZ> i enjoyed his 'tire puncture repair kit' instead of a spare, or even a donut
03:42 <@Dagmar> I poked at the manual enough to figure out how to turn "econo" mode on
03:42 <@Dagmar> MPG is creeping up past 29 now
03:42 <@RangerZ> nice
03:43 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: The Fortwo gets 42mpg without even trying
03:43 <@RangerZ> with Dagmar driving it?
03:43 <@RangerZ> b/c that might be the deciding factor
03:43 <@RangerZ> lol
03:43 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: I expect I'll hit 36 soon.  I'm only slowly getting the hang of the CVT and any sort of constant speed
03:43 <@Dagmar> If I *blink* I wind up going from 30mph to 45mph
03:44 <@Dagmar> Tomorrow I'll figure out how to use the cruise control or I'm going to get tickets
03:45 <@Dagmar> One of the linear gauge modes on the display panel shows directly how much gas is going into the engine
03:45 <@RangerZ> did you figure out the washer fluid situation?
03:45 <@Dagmar> Not yet
03:46 <@Dagmar> I think you're right about hte part that flips up tho
03:46 <@Dagmar> Otherwise I'll be pouring it in through a vent and that seems a bit messy
03:48 <@Corydon76-home> The thing about the Fortwo is that it has trouble accelerating up hills.
03:48 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl7rwV33ElI would have been helpful
03:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2012 | Scion | IQ | Hood Release | How To By Toyota City - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
03:48 <@Dagmar> This thing has no problem accellerating
03:49 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: the other thing I'd suggest is putting a second person in the vehicle
03:49 <@Corydon76-home> Because on vehicles with better gas mileage, that makes a ton of difference
03:51 <@RangerZ> you have the 'tray' under the passenger seat
03:51 <@Corydon76-home> The Fortwo also accelerates up hills if the only person in the vehicle is the driver.
03:51 <@Dagmar> If I were that worried about other people I would have gotten something that seats 4 instead of 3.
03:52 <@Corydon76-home> It seats 3?
03:52 <@RangerZ> yeah, has a 'back seat'
03:52 <@RangerZ> technically 4
03:53 <@RangerZ> but one behind the driver is a joke
03:53 <@Corydon76-home> How small does the third person have to be?
03:53 <@RangerZ> lol
03:53 <@Dagmar> 4 if someone has *no* legs
03:53 <@Dagmar> There is literally a maximum of two and a half inches behind the driver's seat
03:53 <@Dagmar> I can jsut about get my netbook bag back there
03:54 <@RangerZ> dagmar
03:54 <@RangerZ> http://www.astonmartin.com/cars/aston-martin-cygnet
03:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Aston Martin Cygnet (at www.astonmartin.com)
03:54 <@RangerZ> lol...
03:54 <@Dagmar> *boggle*
03:54 <@Dagmar> I wonder who copied who there
03:54 <@RangerZ> same car
03:55 <@RangerZ> literally just different front symbol, and interior differences
03:55 <@Dagmar> Well, just about
03:55 <@Dagmar> No the grill is different and it lacks the "pads" that are on the corners
03:55 <@Dagmar> ...but every damn thing else is pretty close to identical
03:56 <@RangerZ> personally... I'd put the aston marton badge on your car, and just screw with car people
03:56 <@RangerZ> lol
03:56 <@Dagmar> heheh
03:56 <@Dagmar> There is some major bullshit involved in that hood
03:56 <@Dagmar> It has intake vents
03:56 <@RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_iQ  "Also called	Scion iQ Aston Martin Cygnet"
03:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Toyota iQ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
03:57 <@RangerZ> lol
03:57 <@RangerZ> AHHH
03:57 <@RangerZ> fleet emission regulation
03:57 <@Dagmar> Oh holy crap it IS the same car
03:57 <@Dagmar> LOL
03:57 <@RangerZ> thats why
03:57 <@RangerZ> I wasn't kidding
03:58 <@RangerZ> that makes sense
03:58 <@RangerZ> still a weird way to get around regulations, but ehh
03:58 <@RangerZ> lol
04:00 <@Dagmar> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Anthracite-Wheel-Centre-Badge-Black-Inlay-/271354693186?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Wheels_tyre_Trims_Trims_ET&hash=item3f2e000642
04:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Anthracite Wheel Centre Badge (Black Inlay) | eBay (at www.ebay.co.uk)
04:00 <@Dagmar> I am *so* tempted
04:00 <@RangerZ> i would
04:00 <@RangerZ> just to screw with people
04:00 <@Dagmar> It would kill people at the office
04:00 <@RangerZ> then mod it... to have LED behind it
04:00 <@RangerZ> so its lit up
04:01 <@Dagmar> I would have to come in early so I could park it by the doors in from the parking garage, and just wait for the freakouts to begin
04:01 <@RangerZ> don't forget back one also
04:01 <@RangerZ> but yeah...
04:03 <@Dagmar> I'll have to homebrew lo-jac the car if I do that
04:03 <@RangerZ> lol
04:03 <@Dagmar> Car thieves aren't car thieves because they're smart people
04:03 <@RangerZ> .... if you _really_ want to be smart ass... a mechanical switching system
04:03 <@Dagmar> Someone would steal it thinking it was an Ashton Martin
04:03 <@RangerZ> flip a switch, and different log
04:03 <@RangerZ> logo*
04:04 <@RangerZ> but thats WAAAAYYY too complicated for a joke
04:04 <@Dagmar> I think I'll stick with just researching how much EL wire I can put o nit
04:04 <@Dagmar> Those regs were kinda weird when I last looked at them
04:05 <@Dagmar> ...although I still suspect I may be standing in front of a judge yelling "Who the fuck thinks the cops have "Tron" cars now?"
04:05 <@RangerZ> lol
04:05 <@RangerZ> make a 'not a cop' area spelled out
04:05 <@RangerZ> on the hatch
04:05 <@RangerZ> LOL
04:05 <@Dagmar> lol
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04:06 <@Dagmar> There's a possibility a matrix display might find it's way back there
04:07 <@RangerZ> http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l478/kclai_0303/DSC03672-1.jpg
04:07 <@RangerZ> could do something like that too
04:07 <@Dagmar> Oh.  I had to completely _disable_ Apollo to get Google Music to become the default player
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04:07 <@RangerZ> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--7LYXJTJb--/18lsqzx03iwd6jpg.jpg and I find this way sexier than it should be...
04:08 <@RangerZ> wait nvm... yes it should be
04:08 <@RangerZ> lol
04:08 <@Dagmar> There would be no 'virtual' in what I'd like to do with her
04:09 <@Dagmar> Oh!  Freakshow alert!
04:09 <@Dagmar> Downtown is presently having a Horror and Tattoo convention
04:10 <@RangerZ> lol
04:10 <@RangerZ> and an anmie con
04:10 <@RangerZ> thats a great combo
04:10 <@RangerZ> lol
04:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah but that's not downtown
04:10 <@Dagmar> Otherwise I think there would be panic
04:11 <@RangerZ> ohh I thought it was
04:11  * RangerZ shrugs
04:11 <@Dagmar> MTAC is in Franklin or somethign I think
04:11 <@RangerZ> ahh
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04:11 <@Dagmar> Maybe M'boro, just not downtown
04:12 <@Dagmar> I did see some little tool trying to pick a fight with someone who was clearly from the tattoo and horror con
04:12 <@Dagmar> The guy just blinked at him, like, "Are you kidding me?  I could swallow you."
04:13 <@Dagmar> All I could think was "This is a man who wants to be unconcious and doesn't have enough money to drink his way there"
04:14 <@Dagmar> I firmly believe if someone is not even 5'4 should ever pick a fight with a guy who is 6'scary
04:14 <@Dagmar> s/if/that/
04:15 <@RangerZ> also s/ever/never
04:15 <@Dagmar> Something like that yes
04:15 <@RangerZ> but anyways, i'm off to sleep, later
04:15 <@Dagmar> Same here
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05:34 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: you never answerd my questions :/
10:26 <@Corydon76-home> You're right.  I haven't.
10:31 < oddball> RangerZ: For a couple years, MTAC and the tatoo and horror convention were right next to each other.  I think there was actually a special price if you wanted to go to both of them.
10:31 < oddball> But MTAC is in M'boro this year.
10:32 < oddball> Oh... and hey!  Look at that!  People didn't say "fuck going to M'boro" and stay away in droves.
10:35 < oddball> It's... almost like people were willing to drive 30minutes for a weekend long activity.
10:39 <@Dagmar> oddball: Apparently, Ashton-Martin also sells my car, rebadged
10:39 <@Dagmar> oddball: I'm not sure I know what to think about that
10:40 < Catonic_> you have a car?
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10:42 < oddball> Aston-Martin does?  Really?
10:42 <@Catonic> Dagmar: how's life? Still working at the salt mine?
10:43 < oddball> That car doesn't fit their style at all.
10:44 <@Dagmar> oddball: Apparently they sell it so they'll have the minimum necessary gas-efficient vehicle in their portfolio
10:44 < oddball> It's not on their website.
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10:44 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_iQ#Aston_Martin_Cygnet
10:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Toyota iQ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
10:44 <@Dagmar> They stopped last year
10:45 <@Dagmar> Looks like there's not many of them, but probably still some new ones yet to be sold lol
10:46 <@oddball> So... it took them two years for the drugs to wear off and ask themselves what the fuck they were doing.
10:47 <@oddball> heh... they sold 150 of them in those 2 years... instead of the projected 8000.
10:48 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Suggested rebadging my car and I'm actually seriously considering it
10:48 <@Dagmar> er s/://
10:49 <@oddball> Oh god yes, it would be funny as hell to have an Aston Martin iQ.
10:52 <@oddball> Well, I should go get ready for Easter lunch with the family.  By which, I mean go do some meditation techniques to stop me from leaping over the table and strangle my sister.
10:52 <@Catonic> why?
10:53 <@oddball> It's my sister.
10:53 <@Catonic> ok.
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10:54 <@oddball> My mom actually told me that she would be willing to forgoe a Christmas gift from me if my sister and I could just get along this year.  I opted for the gift.
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10:54 <@Bahhumbug> Smart man.
10:55 <@oddball> 'cause there's only so much biting of my tongue that I can do until I don't have a tongue anymore.
10:55 <@Bahhumbug> Might I suggest a piece of duct tape applied carefully over her mouth?
10:55 <@Bahhumbug> If you can't hear her you won't have to bite your tongue.
10:55 <@Catonic> and some vicodin
10:56 <@Bahhumbug> Hell, or _just_ the vicodin.
10:56 <@oddball> I've been told that's not polite
10:56 <@oddball> ok, time for shower.
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11:36 <@Wilpig> Who's not got anything planned around say... May 1st through the 9th?
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11:55 <@oddball> I don't think I do... maybe going to the RenFair... why?
11:56 <@Wilpig> Dawn's real trial begins around the 1st
11:56 <@Wilpig> http://www.t-g.com/story/2018399.html
11:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Shelbyville Times-Gazette: Local News: Trial dates set in Walls murder (10/29/13) (at www.t-g.com)
11:59 <@oddball> Dawn?
12:01 <@oddball> Bah, time for me to go deal with the family.
12:07 <@Wilpig> She's my friend that used to work at steak and shake until she hired one of the cooks from there to kill her dad
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15:44 <@Catonic> wow.
15:44 <@Catonic> Wilpig: remotely justified, i.e.: abuse?
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16:14 <@RangerZ> oddball: Just imagine dagmar pulling into some car show, with an martin branded car
16:14 <@RangerZ> and just making every one of them just jaw drop
16:15 <@RangerZ> (don't know where around here has weekened car gatherings, but I'm assuming there are places)
16:30 < oddball> There are... although, they're classic cars.
16:31 < oddball> I think the Sonic up in Mt. Juliet has one on a regular basis.
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16:34 <@Dagmar>  Mirage would flip if he saw this
16:34 <@RangerZ> I would enjoy just putting up cameras in his car, and recording people's reactions, lol
16:35 <@Dagmar> Some tool is going on about how evil it is OpenBSD feeds keys to the prng for extra entropy
16:35 <@Dagmar> ...because the prng's driver might well report this to some evil agency.
16:35 <@Dagmar> OPENBSD DOES NOT USE BINARY BLOBS FOR EXACTLY THIS REASON
16:35 <@RangerZ> did he look at the prng's code?
16:35 <@RangerZ> lol
16:35 <@Dagmar> No, he's just an idiot.
16:37 <@Dagmar> I was going to be nice, but on second thought i've got to edit my response
16:37 <@Dagmar> because that was just a fucking stupid thing to say
16:38 <@Dagmar> My initial response was "if someone manages to compromise the PRNG they probably should stop trying to Rube Goldberg their way around and just steal the private key"
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16:57 <@RangerZ> if the prng was owned, we'd have bigger problems than just single keys being stolen also
17:01 <@Dagmar> Yeo
17:01 <@Dagmar> er yep
17:02 <@Dagmar> I just wound up advising the dude to leave this type of analysis to the people who know what they're doing
17:02 <@Dagmar> ...because he also mentioned _Windows_ in there.
17:02 <@Dagmar> Talking about how a screenscrape gets fed into the PRNG on Windows.
17:02 <@Dagmar> Windows users are using goddamn binary blob *network drivers* most of the time
17:09 <@RangerZ> well thats interesting, Amazing Spiderman 2 came out in the UK this weekend
17:09 <@RangerZ> but like 2 weeks for release here
17:39 <@oddball> Yeah... they've been doing that shit lately.
17:44 <@oddball> Doesn't make sense to me, but there's a number of blockbuster type movies that they've done that with.
17:45 <@oddball> Although, I guess they don't expect as much out of this Spiderman 2 if they're releasing it now.
17:47 <@aestetix> penis
17:50 <@aestetix> oddball: why?
17:50 <@aestetix> The first spiderman movie, IMHO was amazing
17:50 <@aestetix> Wow, no pun inended
17:50 <@aestetix> intended*
17:50 <@aestetix> Thats said, I was disappointed with Captain America 2
17:55 <@oddball> Really?  I thought Capt. America 2 was awesome.
17:56 <@aestetix> It had less of the narrative and more "shoot em up" stuff in it.
17:56 <@aestetix> Or maybe I just have a thing for killing Nazis.
17:57 <@oddball> And the box office expectation is based on the release date.  Studios don't usually release the big movies in the spring.  They usually schedule them for the summer or Christmas.
17:57 <@oddball> I thought this movie had plenty of narrative.  Probably more than the first one.
17:57 <@aestetix> But not as much Nazi killing.
17:58 <@oddball> True.
17:58 <@oddball> Lots of Hydra killing, though.
17:58 <@aestetix> god
17:58 <@aestetix> Imagine if it was a Nazi Hydra
17:59 <@oddball> Well, that was the case in the first movie. :p
18:03 <@aestetix> ok who wants to play a riddle
18:03 <@Wilpig> Catonic: from what the paper is reporting there was quite a bit of abuse.  it went on to say that this trial probably wouldn't be happening if dawn or her mom killed him.  this is complicated because they got an outsie party to kill him
18:03 <@aestetix> You give a room full of teenagers a tape measure. An hour later, war breaks out. What happened?
18:09 <@aestetix> Wilpig: want a shower? nsfw http://i.imgur.com/dOkWlV3.gif
18:14 <@oddball> aestetix: The natural progression of a dick measuring contest?
18:15 <@aestetix> oddball: yep
18:16 <@oddball> Wilpig: Sounds like suck all the way around.
18:17 <@aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/16p3ra/iama_broke_my_penis_during_rough_intercousre_with/
18:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: IAmA: "Broke" my penis during rough intercousre with my gf. Aka corpus cavernosum penile fracture : IAmA (at www.reddit.com)
18:21 <@aestetix> http://huzlers.com/valentines-day-tragedy-teen-masturbated-56-times-straight-dying-heart-attack/
18:36 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE3WxpO4jW0#t=2149
18:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Arena Commander-PAX East and Beyond - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:36 <@RangerZ> fucking gorgeous
18:40 <@aestetix> So apparently there is a market for transwomen who have not had their operation. An entire market of vaginas you can put over your penis and "become" a woman.
18:40 <@RangerZ> aestetix: 'sure' you 'just' found this out
18:41 <@aestetix> well
18:41 <@aestetix> I'm not a transwoman
18:41 <@aestetix> And I can thank reddit for this one
18:41 <@RangerZ> 'sure'
18:41 <@aestetix> http://www.cinderelladream.net/
18:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Male To Female Transgender, Transvestite, Crossdresser Shopping - FemSkin, Wigs, Latex, Silicone, Vee-Strings (at www.cinderelladream.net)
18:41 <@RangerZ> Me thinks you ask too many questions about Corydon76-home's dick...
18:42 <@aestetix> Lol
18:42 <@RangerZ> you know... honestly... I'm just not curious at all about that
18:42 <@aestetix> That's just because he's shameless
18:42 <@aestetix> I've asked questions to klixa as well
19:06 <@aestetix> Dagmar: http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/23ij7t/for_the_third_time_in_two_years_feminists_at_a/
19:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: For the third time in two years, feminists at a major Canadian university interrupt a male issues lecture on campus. The feminists yelled and talked over the lecturer, blew air horns in the lecture room, and later pulled a fire alarm to sabotage the lecture. : videos (at www.reddit.com)
19:18 <@oddball> Those evil men were clearing oppressing them.
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19:23 <@Wilpig> everytime I see shit like that I see the scene from PCU with the feminists chanting "hey hey, ho ho, this penis party has got to go"
19:29 <@oddball> pretty much
19:32 <@RangerZ> personally I'd look into getting them arrested for descrimination
19:32 <@RangerZ> or hate crimes based on sex
19:33 <@RangerZ> and spelling... who kneeds that todah
19:37 <@oddball> RangerZ: Descrimination?  Hate crime?  Not going to happen as long as it's against white males.
19:37 <@RangerZ> who says you have to tell the cops its against white males when you call swat?
19:37 <@RangerZ> lol
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19:44 <@RangerZ> plus I'd purposely have a bunch of black guys
19:44 <@RangerZ> so that they could say 'race' also
19:44 <@RangerZ> but thank god I'm too lazy for all that nonsense....
19:52 <@Bahhumbug> You're just scared that crazy bitch will start a jihad against you.
20:01 <@RangerZ> thats besides the point
20:01 <@RangerZ> lol
20:03 <@Bahhumbug> Heh
20:07 <@Wilpig> just clarifying but there is only one "crazy bitch" that we speak of, right?
20:09 <@Bahhumbug> I know more than one, but the only one that matters here is the banned nutbag.
20:14 <@oddball> Wilpig: A few of us have collected a couple crazy bitches in our lives, no?
20:14 <@Wilpig> oddball: that goes without saying.  most of them i'll refer to by name though
20:15 <@oddball> true
20:15 <@RangerZ> ^
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20:24 < RangerZ1> http://hacknashville.com/ anyone going to this?
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21:35 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: it seems that "hack" has become the same thing as "intro programming"
21:35 < RangerZ1> actually I was going to say "rapid application development"
21:35 < RangerZ1> but same line of thought
21:35 <@oddball> does seem that way.
21:36 < RangerZ1> well to 'most' people, even programming _is_ hacking (in our definition) the computer
21:36 < RangerZ1> b/c you _are_ making it do what seems like 'magic' to most people(even themselves)
21:39 < RangerZ1> << been thinking about this lately, b/c I'm applying for a fellowship on distance learning/online learning
21:44 <@oddball> Which mostly just means that people are once again misusing a term that has a specific meaning.
21:44 <@oddball> Similar to folks that refer to any black pistol as a Glock.
21:44 < RangerZ1> oddball: but all black pistols ARE glocks
21:44 < RangerZ1> duh
21:44 < RangerZ1> lol
21:47 < RangerZ1> but actually, I don't think it 'is' a wrong use of the term, in a way , but I'm thinking about it at a higher level than what 'we' would use
21:47 < RangerZ1> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hack
21:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hack - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (at www.merriam-webster.com)
21:47 < RangerZ1> has a bunch of different variations
21:47 <@oddball> True.
21:48 < RangerZ1> "  to write computer programs for enjoyment" instead of " a usually creative solution to a computer hardware or programming problem or limitation"
21:49 <@oddball> Although, I've seen Merriam Webster define goblin as "a type of elf."
21:49 < RangerZ1> but my point was that to laypeople ... "programming" DOES = hacking (in not just the 'enjoyment' way)
21:49 < RangerZ1> well it is... in parts of eastern mythology...
21:49 < RangerZ1> think indian/japanese cross over of oni
21:50 < RangerZ1> but anyways, I think a nice article could be written up on the distinction between the different types of 'hack'
21:55 <@aestetix> woot
21:55 <@aestetix> I think HOPE is going to release our new website soon
21:55 < RangerZ1> lies
21:55 <@aestetix> the new website is fucking awesome
21:55 < RangerZ1> cons don't have websites
21:55 <@aestetix> better than the stupid pirate map
21:59 < RangerZ1> thank god... someone accidentally let a tech article slip through /.
21:59 < RangerZ1> http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/04/21/0017239/42000-prosthetic-hand-outperformed-by-50-3d-printed-hand
21:59 <@aestetix> actually
21:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: $42,000 Prosthetic Hand Outperformed By $50 3D Printed Hand - Slashdot (at science.slashdot.org)
21:59 <@aestetix> does anyone here have an iPhone?
21:59 < RangerZ1> aestetix: ben does now I think
21:59 <@aestetix> well actually
21:59 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: you have a smartphone of some sort?
22:00 < RangerZ1> like 5 within 10ft
22:00 <@aestetix> ok
22:00 < RangerZ1> including tablets
22:00 <@aestetix> msg
22:00 < RangerZ1>  k
22:00 <@oddball> aestetix: I've got an iPad.  I think I might have an older iPhone collecting dust somewhere around here.
22:01 <@aestetix> I have an iPad :)
22:23 <@aestetix> vagina
22:25 <@aestetix> fuck you candy crush
22:37 <@oddball> The only way to win is not to play.
22:39 <@Dagmar> Well, there's also *cheating*
22:46 <@aestetix> I don't get folks who say you can only get far by paying money
22:55 <@Dagmar> s/you/they/
22:55 <@Dagmar> It'll make more sense that way
23:15 <@aestetix> heh
23:15 <@aestetix> yes
23:16 <@aestetix> I've gotten to like level 150 because I have patience and am incredibly stubborn
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23:18 <@Dagmar> God damn what a jackass
23:19 < RangerZ1> oddball:
23:20 < RangerZ1> whoops
23:20 < RangerZ1> oddball: did you know the Wii U tablet has an NFC tag reader on it?
23:20 <@Dagmar> No, this twat named Benjamin Schulz
23:20 <@oddball> I did not know that.
23:20 <@Dagmar> He's hollering about the sky falling WRT OpenSSL patches tht the OpenBSD guys are doing, and I gave him a rather polite "warning shot"
23:20 < RangerZ1> imagine a poke'mon version of skylanders , where you don't need the 'base', you just use the tablet
23:20 <@Dagmar> I told him he should leave this type of analysis to actual experts, but noooo he doesn't want to listen
23:21 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: tell him that as someone who _has_ studied both networking security and cryptosystem design, I know better than say jack shit without over a month of review into a codebase/design
23:22 < RangerZ1> people are just so stupid when it comes to 'expert systems' that they think they know :/
23:22 < RangerZ1> but yeah, oddball I could see a ton of ways to make that NFC amazingly cool, and actually justify the tablet
23:24 <@Dagmar> https://plus.google.com/108799184931623330498/posts/9qvX8pxE763
23:25 < RangerZ1> "Pokémon Rumble U" apparently _does_ use NFC
23:25 <@Dagmar> The dude is a whole box of tool
23:25 <@Dagmar> Fuck him fuck him fuck him fuck him
23:26 <@Dagmar> I hate it when people start hollering about the sky falling when they don't know the first fucking thing of which they speak
23:27 <@Dagmar> He goes on about the OpenBSD guys "comments" and then cites THE ENTIRE FUCKING CHANGELOG from freshbsd, referring to it as "showing dozens of other critical bugs"
23:27 <@Dagmar> http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/01f41ed5b37037b963c0de2c25a84f35390455a2
23:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-01f41ed5b37037b963c0de2c25a84f35390455a2 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits (at freshbsd.org)
23:27 <@Dagmar> Surely that is terrifyingly critical
23:28 <@Dagmar> They removed some fucking ifdefs that wrappered a crufty Cray-specific workatround
23:28 <@Dagmar> There's a whole bunch of those kinds of fixes in there
23:29 <@Dagmar> Hell the first thing he said to me pisses me off
23:29 <@Dagmar> "The prng may be a Hardware card."
23:29 <@Dagmar> NO ONE USES A HARDWARE PRNG FOR FUCKS SAKE
23:29 <@Dagmar> Why the fuck would you want extra hardware to get shitty random numbers?
23:30 <@Dagmar> I think in those cases, even the executive secretary to the *janitor* at a company making a hardware RNG chip is allowed to come and take your lunch money
23:31 <@Dagmar> Not to mentiont hat i can't really see someone installing a hardware RNG without also installing a fucking crypto accellerator card
23:32 <@Dagmar> fuckity fuck fucking fuck
23:34 <@oddball> RangerZ1: Eh, there have been some games that have made good use of the Wii U's tablet.  Zombie U uses it for your item bag, Dynasty Warriors uses it as a map, etc.
23:35 < RangerZ1> i meant the NFC part of it
23:35 <@oddball> Oh, yeah.
23:35 <@oddball> Of course, the big problem with the Wii U is that there *still* aren't that many games out for it.
23:35 < RangerZ1> yeah
23:35 < RangerZ1> and won't be
23:36 < RangerZ1> ubisoft has basically said 'fuck it'
23:36 < RangerZ1> we're not going to bother developing for non-x86
23:37 <@oddball> I am impatiently waiting for Bayonetta 2.
23:37 <@oddball> I'm guessing Ubisoft and Nintendo probably also got into fights over using the network.
23:38 <@Dagmar> Mmm... Bayonetta
23:38 <@oddball> Ubisoft wants to railroad people into using their online service, and Nintendo is super ultra paranoid about network connections.
23:39 <@Dagmar> I have no problem saying "fuck it" to Ubisoft
23:40 <@Dagmar> ...but the major "problem" with the Wii U there was that having the second screen *only* available on the Wii U made things difficult if not illogical to port to other platforms
23:42 <@oddball> Well, the non-exclusive titles will pretty much entirely be initially designed for another platform and then ported over anyways.
23:44 < RangerZ1> the batman game used it well
23:44 < RangerZ1> as an inventory/map
23:44 < RangerZ1> from what I hear
23:44 < RangerZ1> but Nintendo's problem is that they are an old Japanese company
23:45 < RangerZ1> and Japanese societal pressure are at work within the company(not as bad as Korean...) but still counter productive in a lot of ways
23:45 < RangerZ1> we need new IPs
23:45 < RangerZ1> we need networking that makes sense
23:46 < RangerZ1> we need parental controls out the ass, so that kids can only play with other "kids" the parent knows of, etc
23:46 < RangerZ1> but we need innovation, in both HW _and_ SW
23:46 <@Dagmar> We need a remote head explosion protocol with both server and client implementations.
23:46 < RangerZ1> capcom is facing the same issue, they wouldn't let another new MegaMan be made
23:47 < RangerZ1> so the creator went to kickstarter and said "please make it rain money in here" and god clapped his hands and said "let it be so"
23:47 <@Dagmar> lol
23:48 <@Dagmar> I like that metaphor
23:49 < RangerZ1> an old BBH tech wrote a legendary tech report once, that I found when I fixed the DB/php and made it so you could search by 'words' *gasp* and the _entire_ report was "guest didn't have internet access, so I clapped my hands twice and said let it be so, and it was so."
23:50 < RangerZ1> 'and so it was'*
23:50 < RangerZ1> but yeah... lol
23:50 <@Dagmar> Well, mainly it was the "make it rain money in here"
23:50 < RangerZ1> but yeah, thats basically true too
23:50 <@Dagmar> ...cuz kickstarter kind of frequently makes EA look like complete bitches
23:50 < RangerZ1> chris roberts had to build an ark
23:51 < RangerZ1> ^see above Dagmar statement
23:51 < RangerZ1> lol
23:51 < RangerZ1> they are over 42million in funding
23:51 <@Dagmar> EA: "WE THREW $22MM AT ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE NAD IT DOESN'T SUCK MUCH"
23:51 <@Dagmar> RSI: "We asked nicely and were give more money than some small countries have."
23:54 < RangerZ1> and sony (other than playstation brand) is in same situation
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23:55 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I replied to that ben schulz, btw
23:55 <@Dagmar> I need to un-angry up my blood before I even think about looking at that thread again
23:57 <@Dagmar> Also, there's some scratches on my driver's side door handle
23:59 < RangerZ> that sucks
23:59 <@Dagmar> I'm going to try to obtain some touchup paint and not kill many people
23:59 <@oddball> Dagmar: Touch up paint, and then get some of those transparent stickers to protect it.
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