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00:08 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: you're artsy
00:08 < RangerZ1> you know any good artists locally?
00:10 < RangerZ1> looking for UI stuff (android at first, but possibly iCrap later(You can tell how much I love the idea of having to buy a fucking mac to be able to program an app))     But also some simple graphics for branding of some of the stuff I'm going to be open sourcing
00:10 < RangerZ1> after Doug's latest mooc, we might be dropping all the stuff I've been working on
00:10 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: oh btw
00:11 <@aestetix> I think I'm forking some of the nym research into the data broker direction
00:11 <@aestetix> Because I think that's actually the answer to "why do we have real names policies"
00:11 < RangerZ1> making your own OAUTH server? then
00:11 <@aestetix> No other answer even comes close to making sense.
00:11 <@klixa> what is the answer?
00:11 <@aestetix> No, more looking deeply into Axciom, Experion, etc
00:12 < RangerZ1> obviously klixa moving to NJ
00:12 <@klixa> the concept of having a way to find people and take their money
00:12 <@aestetix> klixa: they need to names so that they can match queries from data brokers
00:12 <@aestetix> has nothing to do with local advertising
00:12 <@klixa> ok
00:12 < RangerZ1> ohh
00:12 < RangerZ1> hold on
00:14 < RangerZ1> http://www.turningtechnologies.com/
00:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: Audience Response Systems | Turning Technologies (at www.turningtechnologies.com)
00:14 < RangerZ1> audience response?
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00:14 <@aestetix> not even
00:14 < RangerZ1> like that?
00:14 <@aestetix> worse than that
00:14 < RangerZ1> ohh you don't get it
00:14 <@aestetix> But taht's probably part of it
00:14 < RangerZ1> i've _seen_ the code for that
00:14 <@aestetix> oh?
00:15 < RangerZ1> its a MS office plugin, like 800 lines of code
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00:15 <@aestetix> This is more like... scraping facebook and selling data to credit reporting agencies
00:15 < RangerZ1> ohh
00:15 <@aestetix> So here's the thing
00:15 <@aestetix> Let's say I'm a credit agency and I get data from your DMV
00:15 <@aestetix> And I turn around and get some other information from Facebook
00:15 <@klixa> so if you have a common name like john smith, it must cause all kinds of confusion
00:15 <@klixa> for data brokers
00:15 < RangerZ1> yeah, I'm all about preventing that shit from happening
00:15 <@aestetix> I want to make sure all the fields match up
00:16 < RangerZ1> klixa: thats why you have to use SSN for so much
00:16 <@aestetix> klixa: eh, not when you also list your school, your workplace, etc
00:16 < RangerZ1> even though it legally isn't an identifier
00:16 <@aestetix> klixa: https://panopticlick.eff.org/
00:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Panopticlick (at panopticlick.eff.org)
00:16 < RangerZ1> the problem is we _don't_ have a real _unique_ ID for each citizen other than SSN
00:16 <@klixa> i coudlnt believe the people in your audience were suggesting using DNA to replace names aestetix
00:17 <@klixa> that was a bit out there imo
00:17 <@aestetix> heh
00:17 <@aestetix> you watched the vid?
00:17 <@klixa> i mean, if you plan to go that direction...fingerprint makes wya more sense
00:17 < RangerZ1> DNA changes
00:17 < RangerZ1> stupid fucks
00:17 < RangerZ1> lol
00:17 <@aestetix> well it could be a unique identifier :p
00:17 < RangerZ1> retro-virus FTW, "i'm sorry officer, the guy you are looking for isn't me, see... my DNA is different"
00:17 <@klixa> i watche dthe vid
00:17 <@klixa> well i watched half..then it froze
00:17 <@aestetix> lol
00:18 <@aestetix> what did you think
00:18 < RangerZ1> I couldn't be bothered, b/c it rquired a _real_ first/last name
00:18 < RangerZ1> sorry
00:18 < RangerZ1> ;)
00:18 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: actually it's on youtube now
00:18 <@aestetix> I linked to the video on nymrights.org
00:18 < RangerZ1> which I found HILARIOUS
00:18 < RangerZ1> lol
00:18 < RangerZ1> actually just didn't have time, at the time
00:18 <@klixa> aestetix: i liked our mouse shirt, thats what i htought
00:18 <@aestetix> lol
00:18 <@aestetix> hahah
00:18 <@klixa> and the dna guy was stupid
00:19 <@klixa> your*
00:21 <@klixa> yeah the name login was funny RangerZ1
00:21 <@klixa> i put in klixa as my name
00:21 < RangerZ1> i put in john smith
00:22 <@klixa> since i am in utah, i would have put in joseph
00:22 <@aestetix> hahaha
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00:34 < RangerZ1> "During his four years in office, Johnson broke 17 tie votes, a record exceeded by only one of his vice-presidential successors.  When not presiding over the Senate, Johnson could regularly be found in Kentucky, operating his tavern." quotes are amazing
00:34 < RangerZ1> https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Senate_Elects_A_Vice_President.htm
00:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > Senate Stories > 1801-1850 > The Senate Elects a Vice President (at www.senate.gov)
00:35 <@aestetix> heh
00:35 <@aestetix> I've only read up through master of the senate
00:35 <@aestetix> which ends basically in 1960
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00:56 <@aestetix> klixa: you should come to the next plenary
00:56 <@klixa> where can i get info about it
00:57 <@aestetix> idecosystem.org
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01:30 <@klixa> the next one is in maryland
01:36 <@rhia> RangerZ1, if White Power idgits are considered wacco by the conservative right wing, why does the Tea Party spend so much time and money courting them?
01:36 < RangerZ1> b/c they don't 'admit' it
01:36 <@rhia> don't care about admission,
01:36 < RangerZ1> they use dog whistles instead of the word 'blacks' or 'hispanics'
01:37 < RangerZ1> they think its crazy to ADMIT it
01:37 < RangerZ1> lol
01:38 <@rhia> RangerZ1, i'm you're mom's age, from the Jim Crow south, you don't need to teach me about dog whistles
01:39 <@rhia> i'm asking why you to explain your earlier statement
01:39 < RangerZ1> and I just did, they think its crazy to 'admit' to being racist
01:39 < RangerZ1> not that 'being racist' is bad
01:41 <@rhia> that's not crazy, that's planned politics
01:41 < RangerZ1> i agree
01:42 < RangerZ1> my point was 'if you want to lose as many people on twitter as possible go 'white power' , not even the far right will admit to that
01:42 <@rhia> pfft, sadly, by doing that you'd GAIN a ton of unwanted followers
01:43 < RangerZ1> lol, yep
01:44 <@rhia> be honest, say 'Twitter is for twits, i'm out of here and if you respond or follow me, you're a bigger twit than average"
01:45 <@rhia> insult your followers on the internet, the internet NEVER forgets or forgives
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01:46 <@rhia> or, just ... don't create the fan/follower base to begin with ..
01:48  * rhia says from the viewpoint of never having a friendster or myspace account, let alone a megalithic/megalomaniac facebook or twitter acount
01:50 <@rhia> yes, i said friendster, yes, i said myspace ... i already said i was old ;)
01:53 <@rhia> (twitter has it's uses, i have not had to any reason thus far to avail on those uses, so, i don't need it, and no-one misses that i'm not on it, fair enough deal)
01:58 <@rhia> i haven't spoke here in many months, no one missed me .... how much less would the entire world care about my (or any random human's) day to day affairs?
01:59 <@rhia> there are pushing 7 Billion humans on this planet, if you are special enough, the internet will find you
02:00 <@rhia> if you alienate a few by being brutally honest .. well, by golly gee... tough tits
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02:04 <@aestetix> apparently it's easter weekend
02:05 <@rhia> RangerZ1, but, you still haven't answered why the TP spends so much time and money courting the white supremacists , just said why they would be (even more) stupid to ever admit it
02:08 <@rhia> aestetix, yeah, easter ... when certain devout members of a particular subset of an Abrahamic religion show their respect for a crucified god figure by coloring and hiding symbols of a completely different theology and then feasting on meat labeled by their holy book as unclean ...
02:10 <@rhia> how many xtians have a huge ham in the oven for tomorrow's dinner?
02:10 < RangerZ1> huh
02:11 < RangerZ1> yes I have
02:11 <@rhia> and how many xtians have spent the last few days coloring eggs and making up easter baskets for the kidlings?
02:11 < RangerZ1> b/c they will vote for TP
02:11 <@rhia> RangerZ1, but WHY do they vote for it?  .. you're supporting a circular argument
02:12 <@rhia> RangerZ1, short answer, they court it _because_ it IS their base
02:13 < RangerZ1> sort of, because you are asking two different things, that lead back in on each other, 1) why do TP go after racists -> because racists will only vote for TP basically now, 2) why do right wing not 'say' they are racists -> b/c it is politically suicide, because they limit themselves to 'declared' racists
02:13 <@rhia> it's not a separate demographic, it IS their demographic
02:13 < RangerZ1> that is correct
02:13 < RangerZ1> i don't see the point you are trying to make
02:14 < RangerZ1> i was agreeing with you
02:14 <@rhia> RangerZ1, just clarification
02:14 < RangerZ1> ...ok...
02:16 <@rhia> RangerZ1, sorry, have spent far too long dealing with political ass coverage, ambiguity pisses me off
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02:17 <@rhia> the TP SHOULD be unmasked for being what they are, instead of hiding behind the more respectable (HAH!) coatails of the RNC (which they despise)
02:18 <@rhia> blame the GOP for embracing the Goldwater initiative
02:18 < RangerZ1> ohh I agree, but the split in the republicans is going to 1) either destroy the republicans as a national party for a decade, and allow them to reform 2) be held off by billionaires
02:19 <@rhia> the TP IS and HAS BEEN since day one the party of White Supremacists
02:19 < RangerZ1> yep... and? lol thats a pretty much given
02:20 <@rhia> and are a wholly owned subsidiary of corporatist america, but are too stupid to know it, whereas the GOP/RNC are willing and eager partners with corporatist america
02:21 <@rhia> sadly, so are the centrist democrats
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02:23 <@rhia> watched a 40 year old episode of an old murder/mystery series the other day about corporations owning this country .... the more things change, the more they stay the same
02:23 < RangerZ1> i agree, which is why 28th amendment needs to get private money out of politics
02:24 <@rhia> RangerZ1, which 28th amendment? there are dozens of '28th amendments' hovering around, none of which are close to approaching a real amendment
02:24 <@rhia> don't use a number, use a descriptive name to push it
02:24 < RangerZ1> http://www.wolf-pac.com/ this is the one I'm referring to
02:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Wolf PAC (at www.wolf-pac.com)
02:25 < RangerZ1> but lessig just started a similar plan, but his is a different approach
02:25 <@rhia> repeat: don't use a number, use a descriptive name to push it
02:26 < RangerZ1> I still want to see exact wording
02:26 < RangerZ1> but we'll see
02:27 <@rhia> i've seen 28th refer to pro NRA, and anti-NRA, and even veganism .... saying that people want a 28th means nothing
02:28 <@rhia> saying that people want to amend the Constitution to get money out of politics means something
02:28 < RangerZ1> rhia: wtf, I just re-read what I wrote... I _said_ 'get money out of politics'
02:28 <@rhia> you said " which is why 28th amendment "
02:29 < RangerZ1> "(1:23:15 AM) RangerZ1: i agree, which is why 28th amendment needs to get private money out of politics "
02:29 <@rhia> people stop at  "28th amendment "
02:29 <@rhia> and i meant what i said
02:29 < RangerZ1> not my fault 'people' don't read
02:29 <@rhia> <rhia> saying that people want to amend the Constitution to get money out of politics means something
02:29 < RangerZ1> but either way, I'm going to sleep
02:30 <@rhia> with that attitude, the 28th amendment might very well become the veganism one
02:31 <@rhia> not your fault that people dont' read, yes, is your fault not understanding and taking into consideration that people don't read when promoting an idea
02:33 <@rhia> "people" are  sheep is not a personal fault, not understanding that people are sheep and handling the herd intelligently  is
02:34  * rhia wanders off to bed muttering about tech/hacker intellectual elitism and why i don't speak in here more . .. 
02:35 < RangerZ1> "people" above meant only you
02:36 < RangerZ1> just so we are clear
02:36 <@rhia> RangerZ1, love you too
02:36 <@rhia> i had read, as my responses indicated,
02:36 < RangerZ1> you were complaining that the first part of my sentence didn't make sense, b/c you cut off the 2nd part
02:36 <@rhia> anywhich, RangerZ1 YOU are not my enemy
02:36 < RangerZ1> i agree, which is why i don't get what burr got stuck to your ass tonight, lol
02:38 <@rhia> RangerZ1, i'm testy, and grouchy, and politically incorrect tonight due to numerous issues completely unknown to you and beyond any of your control .... and i apologize for expressing my own frustration by arguing with you
02:38 < RangerZ1> its fine, its just odd, get some sleep, lol
02:38 <@rhia> hugs? or at least friendly handshakes and good nights?
02:39 < RangerZ1> i've wary of giving hugs to people in this channel, lol
02:39 <@rhia> RangerZ1, sleep ... i ... have ... vague memories of that, i thing
02:40 < RangerZ1> either FBI might take it the wrong way, or a shiv in the back is possible 50/50 chance on which one...
02:40 <@rhia> RangerZ1, i is an old lady, hugs are just hugs with me <G>
02:40 < RangerZ1> lol
02:40 <@rhia> g'nite ... thanks for the mental gymnastics
02:40 < RangerZ1> lol, np, night
02:52 < RangerZ1> HOLY FUCK... fuck MS buying skype
02:52 < RangerZ1> to 'get more help' you need to login
02:52 < RangerZ1> but my problem is... I can't log in...
03:00 <@rhia> welcome to the borg, er, microsoft ...
03:00  * rhia ninja-hugs RangerZ1 and slinks off in search of the elusive thing called 'sleep' 
03:01 < RangerZ1> lol
03:01 < RangerZ1> night
03:08 < RangerZ1> finally logged in, but only b/c had one-pass with it backed up
03:08 < RangerZ1> guess they never thought about someone who wouldn't want to 'merge' all their contacts into one list...
03:08 < RangerZ1> silly people like that don't exist :/
03:09 <@aestetix> penis
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04:06  * kive ninja-hugs rhia in her sleep.
04:06  * kive dances the creep...
04:51 < RangerZ1> http://www.electrictoolbox.com/empty-google-chrome-cache-fix-waiting-for-cache-error/
04:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: How to empty Google Chrome's cache to fix the "waiting for cache" error (at www.electrictoolbox.com)
04:51 < RangerZ1> so apparently I had this issue, and its not uncommon
04:52 < RangerZ1> chrome's "cache" mechanism hangs apparently (wtf devs)
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12:08 < RangerZ1> anyone setup a freeNAS setup before?
12:12 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, have one here
12:12 <@Corydon76-home> You want your root disk to be tiny -- like, a USB flash drive
12:13 <@Corydon76-home> And then your actual storage is on a separate disk.
12:14 <@Corydon76-home> The technical reason for this is that your disk storage is expandable to multiple disks, and once you add that second disk, there's no way to guarantee that an upgraded kernel will be within the space of the first physical disk, which is necessary for booting.
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12:20 < RangerZ1> how you like it compared to 'real' nas solutions
12:21 <@Corydon76-home> You assume I've had the opportunity to administer "real" NAS solutions.
12:22 <@Corydon76-home> but in terms of the interface, it's really good
12:22 <@Corydon76-home> Almost everything you need to do is available from the web interface, but just in case, they provide a console, so you can do more.
12:23 < RangerZ1> http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Apr-0-2014/Week--end-a4pril_19/index-landing.html 169.99$ for 4TB drives if anyone is interested
12:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Newegg.com - 48Hrs Only: $169.99 WD 4TB HDD, 10% OFF Select Windows Operating Systems (at promotions.newegg.com)
12:25 <@Corydon76-home> The initial reason I installed FreeNAS here is that we use it at work for our NAS solution, and I needed the ability to mock up issues.
12:25 <@Corydon76-home> Which has served us well before
12:25 <@brimstone> boo, 5400rpms
12:26 <@Corydon76-home> But now, I use FreeNAS for Peaches' Mac backup
12:26 <@Corydon76-home> There's a nice little setting that allows you to present a mountpoint to OS X and make it look like TimeCapsule.
12:26 <@Corydon76-home> All integrated directly into FreeNAS, nothing extra needed to be done.
12:33 < RangerZ1> yeah, i saw that
12:33 < RangerZ1> brimstone: its for NAS
12:38 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72voApJJi8o I love when TN makes the Internet news....
12:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Republicans Block Funding To Process Rape Kits - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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15:38 <@aestetix> I hate mysql
15:50 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: what's the strangest thing you've ever stuck your finger into?
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16:55 <@Dagmar> Okay, this is sort of unusual
16:55 <@Dagmar> Just picked up a CD at BestBuy (occasionally someone still bothers pretending to sell CDs), went to the car, popped it in...
16:55 <@Dagmar> ...the stereo shows me the text name of the track.
16:56 <@Dagmar> No packet radio service involved.
16:56 <@Dagmar> 2012 car, 2014 CD so it's not like there could possibly be some hashed database
16:56  * Dagmar begins teh googling
16:58 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-Text
16:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: CD-Text - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
17:15 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: its meta data
17:15 <@RangerZ> yeah ^
17:17 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: you should look into HD radio for it also.... And I need to look into the thing I was reading about years ago, that restaurants/etc put in that captures a 2nd radio stream that doesn't have any of the 'commercials or talking' that normally is present, only 'music'
17:17 <@RangerZ> << No idea what it was/is called, but remember reading about it like 10 years ago, lol
17:27 <@shapr> RangerZ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System
17:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Radio Data System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
17:28 <@RangerZ> shapr: yeah, thats for meta data, but you know the 'other channel' thing I was talking about?
17:28 <@shapr> I've never heard of that.
17:29 <@shapr> I thought restaurants purchased music so they didn't have commercials
17:29 <@shapr> I thought it was a for-pay stream of some sort.
17:29 <@RangerZ> a receiver was several hundred dollars, so "way out my price range" back in HS, etc
17:30 <@RangerZ> who knows, maybe i completely misunderstood *shrugs*
17:30 <@RangerZ> good thing no one does radio hacking or anything anymore
17:31 <@RangerZ> or comes into the channel when they say that is their focus area... *cough*nashville2600president*cough*
17:31 <@RangerZ> lol
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18:12 <@sdodson> aestetix, why?
18:12 <@RangerZ> he never learned SQL normal forms
18:12 <@RangerZ> 'lol
18:15 <@RangerZ> actually I don't know, but I tend to find people who have problems with SQL itself, don't understand normalization, and that those who have problems with databases as a whole... are just dealing with databases, lol
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18:51 <@Dagmar> https://plus.google.com/111871911020322579096/posts/GFapG6amPwq
18:51 <@Dagmar> Okay yes, it was mean to post that
18:51 <@Dagmar> ...but if I don't sleep well at night, why should anyone else.
19:03 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: I emailed Bruce Schneier that news story....
19:03 <@RangerZ> since he's been on a rant about 'bad over-reactions'
19:19 <@RangerZ> "tls: oversized record received with length 20527 "
19:19 <@RangerZ> umm... someone's TLS is broken bad...
19:20 <@RangerZ> hmm, nvm, looks like they use starttls...hmmm
19:23 <@Dagmar> WHat news story
19:23 <@Dagmar> Oh well
19:29 <@RangerZ> the Heartbleed "virus" guy
19:54 <@Dagmar> Ah
19:54 <@Dagmar> WTVF cut most of the crazytalk out of the written story
20:01 <@Dagmar> http://imgur.com/gallery/kltKaPb
20:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: anon drinks a different whey protein - Imgur (at imgur.com)
20:01 <@Dagmar> *tears*
20:15 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: This is for you http://imgur.com/gallery/vfi7FD3
20:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: It...... just..... keeps…… getting. …. better! - Imgur (at imgur.com)
20:29 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdvx68Lv6gg source
20:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: Super Selfie - The Dark Knight Dances - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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21:01 <@aestetix> RangerZ: because tiny things break replication and make it impossible to recover
21:19 <@RangerZ> lol
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22:56 <@aestetix> http://vimeo.com/78314194
22:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Stanley Kubricks Boxes on Vimeo (at vimeo.com)
22:56 <@aestetix> I forgot how much I loved his work.
23:00 <@Wilpig> it is quite brilliant
23:01 <@Wilpig> now I wanna watch a clockwork orange
23:01 <@Wilpig> again
23:01 <@aestetix> he did spartacus right?
23:01 <@aestetix> I think that's the one major movie he did I haven't seen
23:02 <@aestetix> I'd have to look though
23:02 <@aestetix> i used to own the box set of his stuff
23:02 <@aestetix> it sadly has been lost to time
23:05 <@aestetix> the life of a sysadmin. I run a script that takes six hours, and I could be reading all the classics of modern times
23:05 <@aestetix> instead I am playing candy crush
23:16 <@Wilpig> you could be watching da vinci's demons like I am right now
23:18 <@aestetix> what is that?
23:18 <@Wilpig> show on ifc, I think
23:19 <@Wilpig> tells a story where leonardo divinci was also some type of explorer that could see through time when he gets on an opium bender
23:19 <@Wilpig> it isn't as bad as it sounds
23:19 <@aestetix> haha
23:20 <@Wilpig> http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=259669
23:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Da Vinci's Demons: Series Info (at thetvdb.com)
23:21 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: What in god's name are you running that takes 6 hours?
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23:39 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: copying a half terabyte of database files from a hdd to an sdd
23:40 <@aestetix> It's actually probably closr to 4.5 hours
23:40 <@aestetix> If you have a suggestion for making it faster, I am all ears.
23:42 <@Corydon76-home> Nah, file operations are the one thing that generally can't be made faster.
23:42 <@aestetix> sigh
23:42 <@aestetix> I figured as much
23:42 <@aestetix> We would have done this long before it hit a half terabyte, but SSDs are expensive
23:43 <@Corydon76-home> I don't know if you have DMA switched on in the driver, but that can speed up copies by quite a factor
23:44 <@aestetix> How can I check?
23:44 <@aestetix> Assume ubuntu
23:45 <@aestetix> Thankfully I don't think anyone is needing to use our system at 10pm on a saturday night
23:46 <@aestetix> Maintenance on twitter must suck
23:46 <@Corydon76-home> hdparm is the usual utility
23:46 <@aestetix> Ah ok
23:46 <@aestetix> yeah
23:47 <@aestetix>  -d   Get/set using_dma flag
23:47 <@aestetix> I assume that's the option you mean?
23:47 <@Corydon76-home> But check whether it's already set, first
23:52 <@aestetix> ugh the drive doesn't work with hdparm
23:52 <@aestetix> probably because I'm using luks
23:57 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, yeah, encryption will definitely slow down accesses
23:58 <@aestetix> I might just disable that.
23:58 <@Corydon76-home> Everything has to go through that intermediate buffer in order to be decrypted
23:58  * aestetix nods
23:58 <@aestetix> luks has so far proven to be super fast though
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