--- Log opened Thu Apr 10 00:00:25 2014 00:00 <@Dagmar> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/846545/1988-isuzu-i-mark/ 00:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tarzan_49's 1988 Isuzu I-Mark in Coquitlam, BC (at www.cardomain.com) 00:00 <@Dagmar> I find it amusing that all the people on this site have the fancy engine 00:00 <@Dagmar> The four cylinder "sport" model 00:01 <@Dagmar> Mine was silver. 00:01 <@Dagmar> I was once pulled over in Murfreesboro (while doing 55 exactly) who tried to tell me he clocked me at 93mph 00:01 <@Dagmar> I laughed in his face. 00:02 <@Dagmar> With the pedal _all_ the way down, on a flat stretch of interstate, the car topped out at 88mph 00:02 <@Dagmar> I told him he could write the ticket if he wanted to, but I would just go into court and contest it by handing the judge the keys 00:02 <@klixa> lol 00:03 <@Dagmar> The locals would drive on I-40 between Lebanon and Hermitage at a _minimum_ of 85mph 00:03 <@Dagmar> It was fucking terrifying in that car 00:03 <@Dagmar> You're in the RIGHT lane and motherfuckers would be rushing up on you at 90 like you could even *hope* to speed up 00:04 <@klixa> one of the many reasons i like bigger cars 00:04 <@klixa> after i started driving bigger cars, people quit doing that 00:04 <@klixa> semis are still jerks sometimes, but thats about it 00:04 <@Dagmar> That was _exactly_ why I opted to take the ostensibly shorter route that involve just twisty backroads with crazy rednecks doing 65mph 00:05 <@Dagmar> klixa: I would like a *gun* mounted on my can now 00:05 <@Dagmar> klixa: Too many dipshits in SUVs and big trucks that think it's funny to cut off the tiny little BMW 00:05 <@Dagmar> If one of them fucks up and hits me it'll be _real_ funny as they pick all their teeth up with broken fingers 00:06 <@klixa> i dont get why people are such assholes when they drive 00:06 <@Dagmar> They steadfastly do not believe in the existence of people like me. 00:07 <@Dagmar> Also... no. https://www.verticaldoors.com/products/smart_fortwo_450_1998-2007_2dr_vertical_lambo_doors.html 00:07 <@klixa> one time, some car was honking a bunch cause i was going to slow (i was going proper speed) then passed me and flipped me off...this was in Pacific Palisades...soem yuppy...anyway... i was n a bad mood that way, so i chased them and honked non stoppe and stayed really close and did this a few blocks and scared the fuck out of them... 00:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: SMART FORTWO 450 1998-2007 2DR Direct Bolt on Vertical Lambo doors conversion kit US made and US patented (at www.verticaldoors.com) 00:07 <@Dagmar> Just... no 00:07 <@klixa> thats the only time i ever did anythign like that...im usually ... calm 00:07 <@Dagmar> I ignore them. 00:07 <@klixa> thats the only time i didnt ignore 00:08 <@Dagmar> If they *hit* my car, on the other hand, let's just say *someone's* going to the hospital with serious injuries 00:08 <@klixa> they flipped me off too, when they no...it just irked me...cause everyone is brave when they are zooming past 00:08 <@klixa> no=honked* 00:08 <@klixa> im confrontational 00:08 <@klixa> i dont need to be speeding away from someone to speak my mind...so it just pisses me off when others do it 00:08 <@klixa> kinda like, online...peopel on here wil be bitches and assholes...knowing in real life most would piss themselves 00:09 <@Dagmar> I rest comfortably in the knowledge that I wouldn't really have any sort of moral quantry about beating someone senseless for endangering me needlessly 00:09 <@Dagmar> Would not bother me one bit 00:10 <@Dagmar> I dont' recall ever being obligated to care what some random asshole on the interstate thinks about a damn thing 00:11 <@Dagmar> Hell, in college, IN that I-mark, I deliberately led some idiots who were chasing me around campus deep into the heart of fucking "Mysterious Banjo Territory" Columbia, TN, flipped my lights off, and disappeared 00:11 <@Dagmar> You can't follow someone in the dark down a dusty gravel road if they turn off their lights 00:11 <@klixa> "Mysterious Banjo Territory" lololol 00:11 <@Dagmar> Not unless you like driving into trees 00:11 <@Dagmar> klixa: I'm not even joking 00:12 <@Dagmar> There used to be parts of columbia where you'd see a house maybe every two or three miles, and they'd be dilapidated shacks with like nine dead cars in the yard 00:12 <@Dagmar> ...and I was right. 00:12 <@Dagmar> These guys were not about to stop at ANY of these houses at 1 in the morning and ask for directions. 00:12 <@Dagmar> They made it back to campus about 11am 00:13 <@Dagmar> Found me. 00:13 <@Dagmar> Busted out laughing 00:13 <@klixa> who laughed? you or them? 00:13 <@Dagmar> They did 00:13 <@Dagmar> They had no idea places like that existed 00:13 <@Dagmar> The subject of banjos came up 00:13 <@klixa> wth? where were they from 00:14 <@Dagmar> ...and they were also mystified that they'd followed me for a good 45 minutes, and then suddenly... *poof* I was gone 00:14 <@Dagmar> I knew those backroads _well_. I drove past one of my aunt's houses 00:15 <@Dagmar> Some people don't travel very far at all 00:15 <@klixa> speaing of weird stuff... when i was at MTSU...some dude took me to some nowheresplace...as he talked about jimson weed...then we drove through this area where there was an optical illusion of a blue flame...apprently its some place many people know about...it was eerir 00:15 <@Dagmar> ...and mind you, this was *well* before GPS satellites were even up 00:15 <@klixa> eerie* 00:15 <@Dagmar> So, no phone, no compass, no travel map. 00:15 <@Dagmar> I lost them so far out in the back country you couldn't even spot light pollution 00:16 <@Dagmar> They had a lot of time to think about who was responsible for what there. :) 00:17 <@klixa> why were they chasingyou? 00:17 <@Dagmar> They were trying to be dipshit rednecks and scare the punk guy 00:17 <@Dagmar> ...and I casually fucked them harder than they even thought possible 00:18 <@Dagmar> I drove like a goddamn lunatic then 00:18 <@Dagmar> SkyDog could actually confirm that I have in fact deliberately made an almost ninety degree turn with passengers in the car 00:19 <@Dagmar> More than once 00:19 <@Dagmar> I drifted on fresh asphalt 00:20 <@klixa> *nods* 00:20 <@Dagmar> So, basically I led these guys into the deep nowhere, down a very long dusty gravel road so there would be clouds of dust behind me, and when I got near one of the turns, I killed the lights, floored it, I could see by moonlight, went just past the turn, powerslid the car around in the gravel, then doubled back the other way 00:20 <@Dagmar> I just ducked off into some trees for a bit 00:21 <@Dagmar> They could only really follow the blinding dust cloud 00:21 <@Dagmar> Suddenly, no more dust cloud, and no more *car* either, and no place they could see I'd gone 00:21 <@Dagmar> :) 00:21 <@klixa> i think thats hilarious 00:21 <@klixa> obviously they did too 00:22 <@klixa> even if it happened TO me...it'd be funny 00:22 <@Dagmar> ...and they had no fucking *idea* how to get back to Murfsreesbro 00:22 <@Dagmar> Those roads are the borders between ancient property lines that followed creeks and drunken cows 00:22 <@Dagmar> If you can't navigate by the stars, you're pretty fucked 00:23 <@klixa> its easy to get lot in normal spots out there...on non backroas 00:23 <@klixa> lost* 00:23 <@klixa> i hate columbia 00:24 <@Dagmar> Once they went passed me I saw them slow down, could hear them talking, and then keep going 00:25 <@klixa> did you have that izuzu back then? 00:25 <@Dagmar> That's what I was in 00:26 <@Dagmar> One of the more lunatic things I'd practiced around Lebanon was making the car swap ends in gravel 00:26 <@Dagmar> Far freaking easier on gravel than asphalt 00:26 <@klixa> thts fun to do in the snow 00:27 <@Dagmar> That's part of why I was doing it 00:27 <@Dagmar> I didn't want to wind up stuck in the ditch because the tires lost traction for some reason 00:28 <@Dagmar> So far, I've managed to not do that 00:28 <@klixa> you need 4x4 00:28 <@Dagmar> ...although I have "abandoned the road" at "significant velocity" voluntarily before 00:28 <@klixa> then you never get stuck in ditches 00:28 <@Dagmar> ...cuz it was either that or crash into a boat on a trailer that had swung out in front of me coming straight at me 00:29 <@Dagmar> klixa: Suuuure you don't 00:29 <@Dagmar> klixa: I've been in places around here looking down at the bottom of a hill and see five SUVs in the same ditch 00:29 <@Dagmar> So you know at least four people said "Oh, he's a putz. I can make that. I have four-wheel drive." 00:29 <@klixa> thats because most people with SUV's are yuppies and get them as fashion statments or something 00:30 <@Dagmar> The correct answer is: Never drive on hills covered in ice. 00:30 <@klixa> oh... nothing is immune to ice 00:31 <@klixa> i wa sjust talking about a ditch in general....not ice ditch 00:31 <@Dagmar> Well, my Accord might as well have been immune to ice 00:31 <@Dagmar> I could get _up_ hills if they weren't very steep 00:32 <@Dagmar> ...and I never drove faster than about 1 mph on ice 00:32 <@Dagmar> The only time someone stopped me was going up the south end of second avenue, slow and steady. Some dude walked out in front of the car and stood there 00:33 <@Dagmar> Trying to tell me I couldn't make it all the way up the hill. 00:33 <@Dagmar> "How exactly do you think I got up _to_ you, man?" 00:33 <@Dagmar> I did have to yell at some people on the far side tho. hehe 00:34 <@Dagmar> Idiots leaving the Mix Factory, at the bottom of 80 yards of a slight downgrade, *playing* on the ice in the street 00:34 <@Dagmar> "I would hate to run someone over at two miles an hour but damn get out of the way!" 00:35 <@Dagmar> Randy would have lost his shit if I'd spun the car 00:35 <@klixa> i wonder what would happen if you got hit by a car at 2mph 00:35 <@Dagmar> It would have gotten the idiots out of the street without me yelling tho 00:35 <@Dagmar> klixa: Not a whole hell of a lot 00:35 <@Dagmar> That's a slow walking pace 00:36 <@Dagmar> I could control the car as long as the wheels were rolling, not sliding 00:36 <@klixa> well cars are heavy and the person woudlnt stop it if they got hit... 00:36 <@Dagmar> Theyd' wind up riding the hood for a bit 00:37 <@Dagmar> If I'd tried to stop the car, well... that wasn't likely to be possible 00:37 <@klixa> so it fling them in the air a bit rather than knock them down? 00:37 <@klixa> i know a fast hit doees that...fligs people into the air 00:37 <@Dagmar> If they braced themselves at that speed it wouldn't even knock them over 00:37 <@Dagmar> They'd just slide 00:37 <@Dagmar> Two miles an hour 00:37 <@klixa> lol 00:38 <@Dagmar> THis wasn't a steep hill on either side 00:38 <@Dagmar> Id' actually come *up* the steep side of it 00:38 <@Dagmar> The other side was just sloped enough you weren't likely to be able to stop easily 00:38 <@Dagmar> I had to creep down it, or I was likely to slide 40-50 feet 00:39 <@Dagmar> Even on ice you can get away with creeping as slowly as the idle will let you, provide it's flat 00:40 <@Dagmar> Starting again if you stop is the main problem 00:40 <@klixa> are you familiar wiht the cardboard trick? 00:40 <@Dagmar> The car going into gear has a tendency to make the wheels slip immediately, and then you just don't go anywhere 00:40 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I've used cat litter before, too 00:41 <@Dagmar> because motherfuckers like to get carried away and slide half off the road and make *me* have to stop 00:41 <@Dagmar> Last ice storm I got stuck in my own neighborhood because of that. Perfectly flat ice. 00:42 <@Dagmar> The idiot behind me started honking. I got out and told him "If you'd like to go instead of honking, just get out and push my car a foot, damnit" 00:43 <@Dagmar> He had to see the fact that I was sitting on well-polished ice to realize I wasn't kidding 00:43 <@Dagmar> This was when metro learned that salt does not *work* anymore at 10F 00:44 <@Dagmar> Their brine trucks were just polishing the roads 00:45 <@Dagmar> THey'd shined about half of west nashville before realizing they had a problem 00:46 <@klixa> did he end up pushing you or did you stay stuck? 00:46 <@Dagmar> He came back and pushed me. heeh 00:46 <@klixa> cool :) 00:46 <@Dagmar> He _almost_ wound up getting stuck next to me lol 00:47 <@Dagmar> ...which is why he came back. heh 00:47 <@klixa> it's weird...but in places like nashville (or when i was in texas) snow and ice is way more dangerous and/ord causes way more issues (roads, etc) than in places with way more snow like colorado 00:48 <@Dagmar> People can use chains there 00:48 <@Dagmar> No one has them here. 00:48 <@klixa> wel that, and snow ploughs... they are out running around all the time clearig the roads 00:48 <@Dagmar> Technically only the post office and emergency vehicles are allowed chains or studded tires here 00:48 <@klixa> plows*? however you spells it 00:48 <@Dagmar> ...but I've never seen the cops come down on anyone for using them when they're needed 00:49 <@Dagmar> We don't really get snow here anymore. Generally it's 1-2 inches of ice or ice pellets or freezing rain 00:49 <@Dagmar> Super fun stuff 00:50 <@Dagmar> Every 3-4 years when people can use sleds it makes the news 00:50 <@klixa> i remember my first winter in ohio....i w sso excited by all the snow 00:51 <@klixa> i alwyas hated that about nashville... this year it was barely even cold while i was there 00:51 <@klixa> it was humid...in december...at night 00:52 <@Dagmar> If I get this fortwo, I'm going to have to scout my route to work for windbreaks 00:54 <@klixa> whats it like to sit in one? are you comfortable when you are in it? 00:54 <@Dagmar> I've no idea yet 00:55 <@shapr> hi klixa 00:55 <@klixa> hey shapr! 00:55 <@shapr> how's life? 00:55 <@klixa> its getting better...im in salt lake city now...got here this morning 00:55 <@shapr> cool, sounds like you're having fun travel adventures 00:56 <@klixa> i dunno about *fun*... but...yeah trvaling 00:56 <@shapr> well, fun is where you get it 00:56 <@klixa> the actual driving part is not fun 00:56 <@klixa> i slept in a ford exploder last night 00:58 <@klixa> Dagmar: i could not imagine driving to , say, Seattle in one of thos fortwo's 00:58 <@klixa> shapr: how about you? hows life? 00:58 <@klixa> i feel like i should be drinking coffee now that you are here 00:58 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure it would involve regular stops in bars 00:58 <@Dagmar> ...or just maybe shipping the fucking thing in a large fed-ex box 00:58 <@klixa> a POD 00:58 <@klixa> hah 00:59 <@Dagmar> Yes it would fit in the back of any trailer 00:59 <@Dagmar> I could have it shipped 00:59 <@Dagmar> I *do* know people are fucking up the heads driving them like that 00:59 <@Dagmar> I have nothing like that in mind 01:00 <@Dagmar> Maybe Atlant, and not in a big hurry 01:00 <@klixa> they are great in cities... like... the bay is VERY crowded...so they are great for the bay 01:00 <@klixa> in extremely urban cngested areas...anywhre else id be scared id get run over 01:01 <@Dagmar> It's a roll cage lined with airbags strapped to a couple of axes with an engine in the back 01:02 <@Dagmar> s/axes/axles/ 01:08 <@shapr> klixa: life is srsly weird lately 01:08 <@shapr> I drove to Seattle and back once. 01:08 <@shapr> something like 45 hours one way 01:09 <@shapr> I also drove to Boston and back. 01:09 <@klixa> oh i got an iPhone 4 for $50... it needs a $20 new dock connector to work perfect...the data is kaput...but still chrges 01:09 <@klixa> i have done that too shapr 01:09 <@shapr> I think that was only 35 hours or something 01:09 <@klixa> i didnt drive 45 hours straight thi 01:09 <@klixa> my longest stretch, w/o sleep, was larami wyoming to indianpolis, IN 01:09 <@shapr> Nah, I did drive more than 24 hours on the way back from Seattle 01:10 <@shapr> had some exciting hallucinations the second solid day of driving 01:10 <@shapr> decided I would get a hotel room immediately 01:10 <@klixa> when i was 14, my parents went out of town...and i stayed up all weeken...on day 3, it was like i was walking on a cloud 01:10 <@shapr> I went into an interstate rest area, and they had the weirdest urinals I'd ever seen 01:10 <@shapr> they sort of small and high up on the wall of the bathrooms 01:11 <@shapr> I peed in one and sort of stood back to try to figure out what was wrong with those urinals 01:11 <@shapr> after a minute or two some guy walked in... 01:11 <@shapr> AND PUT HIS HANDS IN THE URINAL 01:11 <@klixa> lmfao 01:11 <@klixa> i think i know the punchline 01:11 <@shapr> when he turned the water on, I realized I needed sleep right away 01:12 <@klixa> oh, speaking of lol-ing...there is a facebook age called skeletor is love 01:12 <@klixa> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Skeletor-is-Love/160936384061795 01:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Skeletor is Love (at www.facebook.com) 01:12 <@klixa> it makes me lol 01:13 <@shapr> that's pretty random 01:13 <@shapr> klixa: obvious punchline, right? 01:14 <@klixa> well...you led me to it! 01:16 <@shapr> :-) 01:16 <@klixa> soooo... why is life weird? 01:23 <@klixa> bbl...baby awakw 02:49 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 02:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 02:55 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:17 <@Dagmar> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963 03:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Gmane -- Re: FYA: http: heartbleed.com (at article.gmane.org) 03:22 <@klixa> do you ever sleep 03:34 <@Bahhumbug> Time enough to sleep when you're dead. 03:37 <@klixa> thats not sleep....thats death 03:37 <@klixa> you dont dream when you are dead 04:04 <@Bahhumbug> You don't know that. 05:38 -!- Vyrus001 [~Vyrus001@209.159.137.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:38 -!- Vyrus001 [~Vyrus001@209.159.137.117] has joined #se2600 06:15 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52 <@aestetix> vagina 07:53 -!- v4mp [~v4mp@unaffiliated/v4mp] has joined #se2600 07:57 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:04 < v4mp> ^ 08:13 <@Shadow404> oh god 08:13 <@Shadow404> kill me now 08:14 <@Shadow404> asked to sit in on a presentation by infosys on SDLC 08:14 <@Shadow404> *was asked 08:14 <@Shadow404> i can barely make out what this guy is sayong through his accent 08:17 <@Wilpig> I did something bad last night. I knowingly downloaded a troma film 08:17 <@Shadow404> troma? 08:17 * Wilpig kicks Shadow404 in the nuts 08:17 <@Wilpig> oddball knows, i'm sure several others do as well 08:17 <@Shadow404> what? 08:18 <@Shadow404> these new fangeld fads confuse me 08:18 <@Wilpig> this is not new 08:18 <@Shadow404> i must be getting old 08:18 <@Wilpig> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troma_Entertainment 08:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Troma Entertainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 08:19 <@Wilpig> http://www.troma.com/ 08:20 <@Shadow404> ah 08:20 <@Shadow404> low budget riffs 08:20 <@Shadow404> didnt u have a riff on hunger games? 08:21 <@Shadow404> was that troma? 08:21 <@Wilpig> no 08:21 <@Shadow404> oh 08:21 <@Wilpig> that was just some shitty movie 08:24 <@aestetix> hehe 08:24 <@aestetix> I <3 Tromeo and Juliet 08:28 <@Dolemite> Years ago Troma had a sale on their entire collection - any DVD for like $4. I picked up about 8 of them. 08:28 <@Dolemite> Including one with Samuel L. Jackson in it 08:28 <@Wilpig> They have a few digital downloads on their site which is sweet but the format they chose is kinda the suck 08:28 <@Wilpig> 504MB mp4 08:31 <@aestetix> nice 08:32 <@Wilpig> https://www.tromashop.com/troma-entertainment/digital-downloads 08:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Troma Shop » Digital Downloads - Troma Entertainment (at www.tromashop.com) 09:11 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 09:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 09:22 <@Wilpig> This is a big bag of nope. http://www.starlandballroom.com/events/detail/249131 09:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Starland Ballroom :: Hyperglow - America's Largest EDM Glow Experience w/ Paris & Simo (at www.starlandballroom.com) 09:28 <@Dickie> Sponsored by Bud Light 09:28 <@Dickie> FUCKIN PARTY 09:29 <@Shadow404> anything sponsored by bud light has to be classy for sure 09:29 <@Shadow404> right? 09:43 <@shapr> Gooood morning! 09:43 * shapr hugs Shadow404 09:51 <@aestetix> vagina 09:51 <@Shadow404> yeast infection 09:56 <@shapr> aestetix: CELIBACY 10:05 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:11 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 10:13 <@Dagmar> Aw... poor poor Crimsonfly 10:13 <@Dagmar> He's getting all upset now that I'm no longer letting him slide when he says dumb shit 10:13 <@Shadow404> i need an alternate twitter account to be a jackass to certain people 10:14 <@Dagmar> Perhaps if he weren't a dick to people he views as in his way, and maybe practiced a little more personal integrity, we wouldn't be having this problem. 10:16 <@Dagmar> Also, I'd *really* like to know how the hell sommeone did this http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=37242&endYear=2015&modelCode1=FORTWO&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=1981&makeCode1=SMART&searchRadius=100&showcaseListingId=0&mmt=%5BSMART%5BFORTWO%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=331310812&Log=0 10:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cars for Sale: 2013 smart fortwo Coupe in Campbellsville, KY 42718: Coupe Details - 331310812 - AutoTrader.com (at www.autotrader.com) 10:16 <@Dagmar> Note the *notched rims* 10:16 <@Dagmar> wtf 10:18 <@Dagmar> How the fuck do you even _do_ that 10:21 <@Dagmar> The fuck has happened to lfg 10:22 <@Dagmar> Seems like they're taking a shot at Penny Arcade and PvP 10:25 <@opticron> wow...those rims 10:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm wondering if it was somehow *dropped* off a trailer or what 10:26 <@Shadow404> hrmm, ran into a curb sideways? 10:26 <@Dagmar> With both wheels? 10:26 <@opticron> tipping one doesn't even do that... 10:27 <@Shadow404> those things are deathtraps in crash tests 10:27 <@Shadow404> no crumple zone room 10:27 <@Dagmar> [citation needed] 10:27 <@Shadow404> id have to find the results 10:27 <@aestetix> Ok, so. If there is no god, then where do we come from? 10:28 <@Shadow404> it was on the consumer magazine 10:28 <@Shadow404> consumer reports 10:28 <@Shadow404> aestetix: stardust 10:28 <@aestetix> Besides Shadow404's butt plugs 10:28 <@Shadow404> heh, sh 10:29 <@Shadow404> aestetix: should i ask my mistress to give u a report of this weekends activities? 10:29 <@aestetix> ok 10:29 <@Shadow404> heh 10:29 <@aestetix> I'm sure everyone else here wants to know too 10:30 <@Shadow404> im sure that isnt true 10:30 <@aestetix> I'm sure Corydon76-home and Dagmar want to know. And probably Wilpig 10:31 <@Corydon76-home> Leave me out of your curiosity, aestetix 10:31 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: The only bad thign I saw about smarts inn crashes were high speed accidents, where basically, you're not getting through without a scratch anyway 10:32 <@Dagmar> 45mph and below there's no problem 10:34 <@Shadow404> remind me tonight and ill look for the article 10:35 <@aestetix> Ok, here's an more interesting question. 10:35 <@aestetix> Is it possible for a word to be literal, or are all words metaphors? 10:35 -!- imB1t [~imBit@unaffiliated/imbit] has joined #se2600 10:36 -!- imB1t [~imBit@unaffiliated/imbit] has left #se2600 [] 10:37 <@klixa> aestetix: hmm 10:37 <@klixa> never thought about it, but it seems you could make *any* word int a metaphor 10:40 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has joined #se2600 10:53 <@Mirage> Dagmar: you should enjoy this one... http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg128161.html 10:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Re: FYA: http://heartbleed.com/ (at www.mail-archive.com) 10:53 <@Dagmar> TdR? 10:54 <@Dagmar> Yeah. I think that doubled as a warning shot to Poettering and Sievers 10:54 <@Dagmar> ...just because of his precise choice ofr verbiade 10:54 <@Dagmar> I linked that post ftom Gmane in here last night 10:55 <@Mirage> The freebsd-security list has been somewhat amusing the past couple days. 10:59 <@shapr> OH YEAH? Well YOU'RE amusing! 10:59 <@shapr> I've never been very good at insults. I think that's okay. 10:59 <@klixa> it is ok. 10:59 <@shapr> hi klixa! Enjoying the Mormons? 11:00 <@klixa> i heart mormons shapr 11:00 <@klixa> i just learned im not to old to join the military 11:05 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.197.234] has joined #se2600 11:06 <@shapr> klixa: I am! 11:08 <@klixa> i dont think my love of miltary clothes is a good enough reason to join tho 11:19 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:22 <@Wilpig> so... our new MOMA ID cards came in and I got the mail 11:22 <@Wilpig> the envelope had one for me, and one for floyd 11:22 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tl9a76oy1em6nkd/XBpEpZtVW9 11:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - Thursday, Apr 10 (at www.dropbox.com) 11:22 <@Wilpig> my boss just called me an asshole 11:23 <@Dagmar> Looks like they're getting to know you pretty well 11:23 <@Wilpig> I laughed. still laughing. waiting for floyd to come upstairs 11:25 <@Wilpig> at least give me some credit for getting the card stuck to the 20' ceiling 11:28 <@Corydon76-home> How the hell did you manage to do that? 11:28 <@Corydon76-home> 15 foot pole? 11:31 <@Wilpig> coat rack 11:31 <@Wilpig> tape onthe back of the card. small piece on the front to attach to the coat rack 11:32 <@Wilpig> put the coatrack back in place with a coat on it to look like we did nothing 11:37 <@shapr> Wilpig: that's really funny :-) 11:53 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has joined #se2600 12:07 <@Mirage> Has anyone run into a host where `hostname` and `hostname -s` works fine, but any other flag yields "hostname: Unknown host" 12:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa: https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1016371_262409340581165_555280517_n.jpg 12:15 <@Dagmar> Mirage: It sounds like the file that contains the FQDN that the init scripts are reading to use hostname to set the FQDN with isn't populated 12:15 <@Dagmar> It's /etc/HOSTNAME on Slackware but I've no idea what distro you're using there. 12:15 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.197.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:16 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:17 <@Dagmar> Still caffienating here so let me double-check 12:19 <@Dagmar> Okay. My mistake. 12:19 <@Dagmar> The FQDN part comes from /etc/hosts via a glibc call 12:19 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Make sure you've got the thing's hostname tied to it's FQDN in /etc/hosts and the issue should go away. 12:23 <@Dagmar> Tee hee. *popcorn* time. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7566069 12:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Drop Dropbox | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) 12:30 <@aestetix> penis 12:32 <@Dagmar> aestetix: You see the URL? Condoleeza Rice being appoined to the board at Dropbox? 12:32 <@Dagmar> LULS 12:32 <@aestetix> and I saw drop-dropbox.com 12:33 <@Dagmar> yeah. Cuz she did sort of help start a _war_ under pretenses that were, if not _false_, significantly distanced from reality that you could safely call a "major fuck up" 12:35 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: that's as silly as boycotting Firefox because a homophobe got appointed CEO. 12:35 <@Dagmar> Yeah but you can't have dead people brought back on grounds of unconstitutionality 12:35 <@Wilpig> some people are retarded sheep 12:36 <@Corydon76-home> You can't bring back dead people by making her resign, either 12:37 <@aestetix> Ok so 12:37 <@Dagmar> I just like that it's going to have a lot of people getting very conflicted over whetehr or not their behaviour WRT to Eich was even remotely appropriate. 12:37 <@aestetix> I really wish we could see a mob demanding a reason for putting her in that position 12:37 <@aestetix> Rather than simply asking for her removal 12:37 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: it's free speech, and free speech can be ugly sometimes. 12:37 <@aestetix> I'd be really interested to find out why they decided on her. 12:38 <@Dagmar> THey want someone who can properly lubricate for the KGB sodomization of client privacy 12:38 <@aestetix> I'm also interested in how many people who are crying wolf are actually dropbox users. 12:38 <@Dagmar> s/KGB/DHS/ 12:38 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: If I asked you to name the board at Google, could you do it? Or Apple? Or HP? Or OKCupid? 12:38 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: no, but I'm not calling for them to step down either. 12:38 <@Corydon76-home> Hell, could you name the board at your own employer? 12:38 <@aestetix> My employer has no board. We're a startup :p 12:39 <@Corydon76-home> If it's a corporation, it has a board. 12:39 <@aestetix> Well, I know the founders, and our investors, if that counts. 12:39 <@aestetix> In any case 12:39 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Could you name the board of Dropbox BEFORE Rice was elected to serve? 12:39 <@aestetix> It seemslike there should be a series of questions you ask before calling for someone to step down. 12:40 <@aestetix> nope 12:40 <@Corydon76-home> If you don't know who else is on the board, it's ridiculous to single one person out 12:40 <@aestetix> I agree. 12:40 <@aestetix> I'm suggesting that rather than calling for her to resign, the mob should be asking questions about it. 12:41 <@Corydon76-home> Mobs don't ask questions. That's why they're mobs 12:41 <@aestetix> yep 12:42 <@Corydon76-home> I don't care if they want to criticize Rice. They're going to get criticism back for being idiots. That's how free speech works. 12:43 <@Corydon76-home> Same with Eich. 12:43 <@aestetix> Also agreed. 12:44 <@Corydon76-home> I don't believe Eich was forced out, just that he was unable to deal with the criticism 12:45 <@shapr> Eh, I bet he was strongly encouraged to step down. 12:45 <@Corydon76-home> I suppose you can see that as force, but it's passive, not active. 12:45 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: I could believe that. 12:46 <@aestetix> I have been asking a lot lately, why Americans tie our sense of self-identity to our work 12:46 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: It's still comes down to free speech, and the opposition wanted to shut that down. 12:46 <@shapr> I agree 12:46 <@aestetix> Also, the thing is, if you're not actually hurt by it, boycotts can only last so long. 12:47 <@aestetix> Like a student outraged about injustice in the middle east. They will probably run out of steam in a couple days 12:47 <@aestetix> Unless their brother or sister is in war over there. 12:47 <@Corydon76-home> In all likelihood, the people who stop using Dropbox are the people who never spent a dime with the company. Who do they think they're hurting? 12:55 <@brimstone> my company stopped long before this, for other dickish reasons 12:59 -!- heathjs is now known as heath 13:00 <@Dagmar> https://www.peereboom.us/assl/assl/html/openssl.html :D 13:00 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has joined #se2600 13:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mog] by ChanServ 13:00 <@brimstone> You have asked Iceweasel to connect securely to www.peereboom.us, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. 13:02 <@brimstone> Dagmar: Received heartbeat response 13:03 <@brimstone> i know trust nothing on that site, forever 13:03 <@brimstone> *now 13:03 <@Dagmar> Dude it's a self-signed cert 13:03 <@Dagmar> Learn to use the certificate examination buttons 13:03 <@brimstone> that's only the first issue 13:03 <@Dagmar> Are you logging into it? 13:03 <@brimstone> the second is that it's still vulnerable to heartbleed 13:04 <@brimstone> but he's slamming openssl 13:04 <@brimstone> (he, i assume) 13:04 <@Dagmar> Are you *sure* it's vulnerable? 13:04 <@brimstone> Received heartbeat response: 13:04 <@brimstone> ^B@^@^C^BSC[<90><9D><9B>r^K^L+<92>H<97>Ͻ9^D^V 13:04 <@brimstone> <85>^C<90><9F>w^D3^@^@f^T 13:04 <@brimstone> "!^@9^@8^@<88>^@<87>^O^E^@5^@<84>^R^H^\ESC^@^V^@^S^M^C^@ 13:04 <@brimstone> ^S ^_^^^@3^@2^@<9A>^@<99>^@E^@D^N^D^@/^@<96>^@A^Q^G^L^B^@^E^@^D^@^U^@^R^@ ^@^T^@^Q^@^H^@^F^@^C^@^A^@^@I^@^K^@^D^C^@^A^B^@ 13:04 <@brimstone> ^@4^@2^@^N^@^M^@^Y^@^K^@^L^@^X^@ ^@ 13:04 <@brimstone> ^@^V^@^W^@^H^@^F^@^G^@^T^@^U^@^D^@^E^@^R^@^S^@^A^@^B^@^C^@^O^@^P^@^Q^@#^@^@^@^O^@^A^AAppEngine-Google; (+http://code.google.com/appengine; appid: s~feedly-social) 13:04 <@brimstone> Host: www.peereboom.us 13:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sign in - Google Accounts (at code.google.com) 13:04 <@brimstone> Accept-Encoding: gzip 13:04 <@brimstone> D^K<85>:$Kz^T<93>&րD<89>^P]3^O^O^O^O^O^O^O^O^O^O^O^O^O^O^O^Ondombit/3339 13:04 <@brimstone> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,sdch 13:04 <@brimstone> Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.8,es;q=0.6 13:04 <@brimstone> ^X[G^B1<9E>^Rh`^<80>m^E<9A>.^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M<86>Ae^T^C^A^@^A^A^V^C^A^@0^T^@^@^L<9D>b2O<96>^R<8D>OA<94>~^O[^@<89>7S^?<86>^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K^K.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; PPC) 13:04 <@brimstone> X-OperaMini-Phone: ? # ? 13:04 <@brimstone> Forwarded: for="83.149.9.204:24764" 13:04 <@brimstone> X-OperaMini-Phone-UA: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; PPC) 13:04 <@brimstone> H<95>D^F<97><8F>} ͺ^R<8F>U[<82>©^B^B^B 2.3.4; fr-fr; GT-I9001 Build/GINGERBREAD) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1 13:04 <@mog> brimstone, pastebin 13:04 <@brimstone> X-OperaMini-Phone: Android # 13:04 <@brimstone> Forwarded: for="193.253.170.133:5523" 13:04 <@brimstone> totes sure bro 13:05 <@brimstone> mog: we don't have time, people on the internet are wrong 13:05 <@mog> lol 13:05 <@mog> brimstone, your client doesnt automagically do that 13:05 <@Dagmar> brimstone: Wait, did you just dump that with an attack tool? 13:05 <@brimstone> Dagmar: i admit to nothing online 13:05 <@Dagmar> brimstone: I ask because I only see TLS reneg showing up as an extention 13:06 <@brimstone> Dagmar: i'm seeing user requests showing up 13:06 <@Dagmar> This is not good 13:06 <@Dagmar> fuckfuckfuck 13:06 <@brimstone> welcome to my week 13:06 <@Dagmar> You know what... I'm going to go get my bike and forget all about this crazy shit for awhile 13:07 <@Dagmar> brimstone: When you do the s_client -connect -tlsextdebug thing, do you see heartbeat showing in the list? 13:07 <@Dagmar> i'm pretty sure the guy running peereboom.us is going to give exactly 0 fucks about what you're dong 13:08 <@brimstone> what's that thing? 13:08 <@Dagmar> You've never used openssl CLI? 13:08 <@Dagmar> openssl s_client -connect www.peereboom.us:443 -tlsextdebug 13:08 <@brimstone> TLS server extension "heartbeat" (id=15), len=1 13:08 <@Dagmar> Dafuq 13:09 <@brimstone> i've used openssl CLI, didn't know about the -tlsextdebug flag 13:09 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.197.234] has joined #se2600 13:10 <@Dagmar> What IP address are you showing? 13:10 <@Dagmar> I wonder if openssl has to have support for it to be able to report properly of it's existence 13:10 <@brimstone> 70.114.226.246 13:10 <@brimstone> i'm seeing peereboom.us in the cert that came back 13:11 <@rattle> http://i.imgur.com/CpjQnJO.jpg 13:11 <@Dagmar> Okay 13:12 <@Dagmar> Apparently you have to do the test with openssl's s_client using a version of openssl that understands TLS hearbeat 13:12 <@Dagmar> I thought for a moment Comcast was MITMing my shit 13:12 <@brimstone> neat, didn't know that 13:12 <@Mirage> Dagmar: Sorry, got dragged into a meeting. it's a RHEL box, and the hostname is set in /etc/sysconfig/network. 13:12 <@Dagmar> brimstone: It's often helpful to be able to use the s_client thing to grab certs and see WTF 13:12 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Needs to be set in /etc/hosts 13:13 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I just changed 10.3.1.1 fw.kung.foo fw to say 10.3.1.1 fw.fuck.you fw and dnsdomainname told me to fuck off. 13:13 <@Dagmar> ;) 13:13 <@Mirage> None of the other hosts built w/ the kickstart have it in /etc/hosts and it works fine. 13:13 <@brimstone> i used to have to pipe it back into openssl x509 -noout -text, but looks like they auto do that now 13:15 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Worry about why they're working later. 13:15 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I just changed the /etc/hosts file on a RHEL box I'm about to turn over to someone to make sure RH didn't refactor sommething as fundamental as glibc 13:15 <@Dagmar> Mirage: hostname uses /etc/hosts to determine the fqdn 13:15 <@Mirage> Dagmar: It's breaking the post-config script because it can't resolve 'hostname -d` or `hostname -f` 13:16 <@Mirage> Dagmar: it's in DNS 13:16 <@Dagmar> DNS is not used for that 13:16 <@Dagmar> hostname never invokes DNS 13:16 <@Mirage> Dagmar: that's not how it's working on the hosts that are working correctly/ 13:16 <@Dagmar> 10.152.21.7 asm40ld.ea.Xanderbilt.edu asm40ld 13:17 <@Dagmar> [root@asm40ld robertpf]# dnsdomainname 13:17 <@Dagmar> ea.Xanderbilt.edu 13:17 <@Mirage> Probably just going to blow away the VM and re-kickstart it..but I wanted to figure out wtf the issue is first. 13:17 <@Dagmar> The only thing I changed 13:17 <@Dagmar> You might have some cray-cray in /etc/nsswitch.conf, but I doubt it 13:17 <@Mirage> Checked..it's the default 13:18 <@Dagmar> So populate it in /etc/hosts and watch the issue disappear 13:18 <@Dagmar> I was under the impression RHEL was supposed to populate /etc/hosts properly by itself 13:18 <@Mirage> It's supposed to all be automated. that defeats the purpose. 13:18 <@Dagmar> I'm certianly doing nothing to the file here 13:19 <@Mirage> Dagmar: lol 13:19 <@Mirage> [root@cms-jump01 ~]# cat /etc/hosts 13:19 <@Mirage> 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost4 localhost4.localdomain4 13:19 <@Mirage> ::1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost6 localhost6.localdomain6 13:19 <@Mirage> [root@cms-jump01 ~]# hostname -d 13:19 <@Mirage> cmslab.vce.com 13:19 <@Mirage> [root@cms-jump01 ~]# hostname -s 13:19 <@Mirage> cms-jump01 13:19 <@Mirage> [root@cms-jump01 ~]# hostname -f 13:19 <@Mirage> cms-jump01.cmslab.vce.com 13:19 <@Dagmar> dafuq is going on with hostname. *reads manpage* 13:20 <@Mirage> Dagmar: and now you understand this is driving me nuts. 13:20 <@Dagmar> When the 13:20 <@Dagmar> hostname -a, -d, -f or -i is called will gethostbyname(3) be called. 13:21 <@Dagmar> blah blah so it consults /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/host.conf to decide whether to read information in /etc/sysconfig/network or /etc/hosts 13:21 <@Dagmar> So they HAVE dicked with it 13:22 <@Dagmar> This is not what the vanilla version of the package does 13:23 <@Mirage> I gave up being suprised by the RedHat-isms quite some time ago. 13:23 <@Dagmar> That's still probably not it tho because I just redid the "fuck with /etc/hosts" test a couple different ways 13:23 <@Dagmar> Same result 13:23 <@Dagmar> Fo that matter /etc/sysconfig/network only has the short name in the HOSTNAME variable 13:23 <@Dagmar> ...which is proper 13:23 <@Dagmar> Yeah. Fuck it. 13:24 <@Dagmar> The box is possessed. Send the whole VM to /dev/null and spin up a fresh one without broken capacitors. 13:24 <@Dagmar> goddamn cheap chinese caps 14:42 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 14:54 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:55 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:24 <@aestetix> well that's good 15:24 <@aestetix> I interviewed at this place a couple months ago..... friend referral 15:24 <@aestetix> wound up not getting the job 15:25 <@aestetix> they just laid off a bunch ofpeople 15:25 <@aestetix> well it worked out for me, at least 15:28 <@aestetix> admittedly, one question I like to ask companies is "how do you make money" 15:28 <@aestetix> it's amazing how often there isn't a good answer 15:31 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@192.249.59.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:32 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@192.249.59.215] has joined #se2600 15:38 <@Shadow404> aestetix: prostitution 15:42 < RangerZ1> Shadow404: but aestetix's solution to everything is prostitution 15:42 < RangerZ1> every time he says 'penis' or 'vagina' its what he paid for that day earlier (or what he is going to pay for later) 15:45 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 16:11 <@Dagmar> Okay, so I *know* Dolemite is being a smartass about privatekeycheck.com, but I don't know about James Reader. 16:22 <@RangerZ> https://rt.openssl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=2167&user=guest&pass=guest 16:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: #2167: openssl-1.0.0-beta5 - fails if used from multiple threads and with SSL_MODE_RELEASE_BUFFERS (at rt.openssl.org) 16:22 <@RangerZ> ...lol... 16:23 <@RangerZ> yeah... who would use static code analysis or run their integration tests on a variety of systems ....nah 16:23 <@RangerZ> [Tue Feb 09 16:38:17 2010] still open 16:32 <@aestetix> heh 16:33 <@aestetix> I just got an email promoting the Atlas Shrugged part 3 movie 16:33 <@Dagmar> Sweet! 16:34 <@klixa> i dont like ayn rand 16:34 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:34 < RangerZ1> aestetix: atlus shrugged is such a great book 16:34 < RangerZ1> lets morons think they are right about society 16:35 < RangerZ1> and that libertarianism would actually work, because 'everyone in society is a fair actor' 16:35 < RangerZ1> or some nonsense like that 16:35 <@klixa> RangerZ1: 13:34:01 klixa: i dont like ayn rand 16:35 <@Dagmar> It just highlights that blind adherence to an ideology is cultural suicide 16:36 <@Dagmar> Corruption is the greater enemy. 16:36 <@Dagmar> Not capitalism. 16:36 <@Dagmar> Not communism. 16:36 <@Dagmar> Not socialism. 16:36 <@Dagmar> Not marxism. 16:36 <@Dagmar> Corruption. 16:36 <@klixa> i dont like that people less intelligent than me are living better lives and making more money 16:36 <@Shadow404> how do u defeat corruption? 16:36 <@Dagmar> All those people with their little systems of belief and behaviour. Corruption is the sole thing fucking any of them up. 16:36 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: You hunt and skin corrupt people. 16:36 < RangerZ1> lies, we don't have corruption in our system, billionaires being able to give millions of dollars to every politician is 'freedom' 16:37 <@Dagmar> ...or you walk the fuck off and start over, skimming the cream from the top and hope for the best because you left a lot of corruption behind. 16:37 <@klixa> even within my family i have seen this phenomena...i have 2 older brotherrs, 9 months apart, same major...the less intelligent one (but aprox 20 iq points) makes more money, has nicer house, better life... 16:37 <@klixa> but=by* 16:38 < RangerZ1> b/c he's better at socializing with people? 16:38 < RangerZ1> or corrupt ? 16:39 <@klixa> hes better at conforming 16:39 < RangerZ1> ofcourse , that means he's better at socializing 16:40 <@klixa> ok 16:40 < RangerZ1> which is the #1 determining factor (# of social contacts in the area of your business) for success of a company 16:41 < RangerZ1> (which I found odd at first, but it slowly started to make sense) 16:41 <@klixa> i know one thing...when you at like a know it all people hate you 16:42 <@klixa> hell, when you just know stuff they dont, they hate you...and when you try to show them they are wrong...they hate you 16:42 <@klixa> stupidity is valued for some reason 16:42 < frsilent> RangerZ1: yeah man...I hear you there 16:43 < frsilent> working around the restaurant industry & see it time & time again 16:43 < frsilent> shittier products being chosen over their competitors based on who knows who 16:43 <@klixa> people suck like that 16:43 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: I should reread it 16:43 <@aestetix> I read it uhhhhh over 10 years ago 16:43 < RangerZ1> the entire concept is a joke 16:44 <@klixa> i have a friend...who sometims tells me his problems...and he gets mad when i take the other persons side...i just take the side i think is right...but he thinks i shoudl alwtas take his side 16:44 < RangerZ1> the 'government' saying you can't use "better" steel, in railroads 16:44 < RangerZ1> and she wants to use "high quality" steel 16:44 < frsilent> klixa: meh, there's still a fine line between being brighter than someone & being a condescending asshole that makes a company less efficient because nobody wants to work with you 16:44 <@brimstone> klixa: you should always argue against him 16:44 < RangerZ1> tsk tsk tsk, how dare she 16:44 <@brimstone> ALWAYS 16:45 < frsilent> RangerZ1: I see it in how Micros has a stranglehold on big restaurants & it's such an absolute piece of shit 16:45 <@klixa> brimstone: thats how i feel when i get annoyed....ytaht i just wanna take the opposing side out of spite...but no...i dont 16:45 < frsilent> same with positouch 16:45 < RangerZ1> yes/no 16:45 < RangerZ1> they have a stranglehold b/c they have the business 16:46 <@klixa> frsilent: yeah, there is a fine line... but, sometimes you have to be an asshole to get people to listen...people take their ideas personally... people will defend their right to be wrong 16:46 < RangerZ1> which sounds like doublespeak, but 'its what everyone uses' 16:46 < RangerZ1> is important 16:46 < frsilent> same with our ipad product my company makes, there's better alternatives but a lot of restaurants choose us based on our owner 16:46 < RangerZ1> good for you frsilent 16:47 < RangerZ1> whats your better alternatives? can i get their website? and pricing info? 16:47 < frsilent> for a long time I was thinking "no wayyyy they'd choose us" 16:47 < RangerZ1> ;) lol 16:47 < frsilent> lol 16:47 < frsilent> Ziosk for one 16:48 < RangerZ1> there is a company that does mutli-device email and calender stuff, for small/medium sized businesses, and it does great sales, but has crap product I've heard 16:48 < RangerZ1> I know a bunch of people how have/do work there 16:48 <@Dagmar> Fucking LinkedIn is flirting with disaster 16:49 <@Dagmar> I jsut got *another* email from someone wanting to put me in their network 16:49 <@Dagmar> ...except I have no fuckin' clue who this cat is 16:49 <@Wilpig> is it me? 16:49 < RangerZ1> and if I ever need a ~40/year coding job back home, then its where I'm applying for a stop gap measure, lol 16:49 <@Dagmar> If you install their app, and don't read the details _very_ carefully, it will email _all_ the people in your contact list. 16:50 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: No, some Erik Olson guy I do not recognize 16:50 <@Dagmar> Apparently xorgnak at gmail 16:51 <@Dagmar> Never heard of them before, but they're a coder of some stripe or other 16:51 <@Dagmar> Probably one of my G+ smurf stalkers 16:52 <@klixa> smurf? 16:52 <@Dagmar> THe other faction in INgress 16:52 <@Dagmar> There's more than a few of them who think they're going to get valuable intel if they follow the Enlightened players on Google Plus 16:52 <@Dagmar> Mainly, I just lead them up the primrose path. 16:53 <@Dagmar> ...and deliberately piss them off. 16:53 <@Dagmar> This last Sunday I deviated WILDLY from my norm of never leavinng west Nashville, drove all the way up to Clarksville, and leveled the whole place 16:53 <@Dagmar> THen I went home and posted to my G+ feed "Ahhh... another relaxing Sunday at home. I got sooo much done." 16:54 <@Dagmar> ...because the people who are amenable to the idea of GPS spoofing would be absolutely LIVID that I so flagrantly spoofed my GPS to level all their portals. 16:54 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that I have a selfie of me in front of City Hall. 16:55 <@Dagmar> I have told them before, if I say something to them directly, they can take it as gospel. 16:55 <@Dagmar> If they _overhear_ something, it's precisely what I want them to know and only suffering and pain will come of listening to it. 16:59 * benthemeek is sad he missed out on a conversation discussing Atlas Shrugged 16:59 <@benthemeek> I have read that book three times 16:59 <@benthemeek> And liked it less each time lol 16:59 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.197.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00 <@Dagmar> You're not supposed to be entertained by it. 17:00 <@aestetix> I remember that it turned me into an asshole. 17:02 <@benthemeek> I was. I thought the ideas were fascinating... at first. Then I read more and got a bit more critical thinking going. Read it again a few years later. Then wash repeat and this last time like two years ago I thought how amazingly over simplified it makes things and I doubt I will ever read it again 17:02 <@Dagmar> s/asshole/realist 17:02 <@aestetix> The other thing I remember is that most people who criticize it don't understand her work. 17:02 <@Dagmar> That's not oversimplification. 17:02 <@Dagmar> That's you no longer thinking "Man this is bullshit" because of all the bullshit you grew up listening to 17:02 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: The most basic problem with libertarianism is that it presumes that most people act rationally, which is demonstrably not true. 17:02 <@aestetix> ALthough regarding her philosophy, I got about an hour and a half into one of her audiobooks before systematically refuting all of it. 17:03 <@benthemeek> That was how i experienced it aestetix. In audio book 17:03 <@aestetix> The challenge with her work is that it embraces Aristotle, and by extention Plato. 17:03 <@aestetix> And she embraces the idea that there's such a thing as a perfect form for things. 17:03 <@benthemeek> It dismisses the need for a levathon 17:03 <@aestetix> I don't agree with that, and therefore her entire philosophy falls apart for me. 17:03 <@benthemeek> exactly what Corydon was saying 17:04 <@aestetix> Well there's also the concept that there's such a thing as a rational actor. 17:04 <@Dagmar> Oh just put the thing on shuffle 17:04 < RangerZ1> hell simple game-theory destroys her ideology 17:04 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.197.234] has joined #se2600 17:04 <@aestetix> Rational implies reason, which implies logic. 17:04 <@Dagmar> Hey now, I'm a rational actor. 17:05 <@aestetix> And she implies that if something is logical, then everything that disagrees with it is illogical. 17:05 <@Dagmar> It's not my fault there's just a lot of people who would better serve society from the bottom of a garden. 17:05 < RangerZ1> aestetix: no it doesn't , it implies A _logic_ not 'your' _logic_ 17:05 <@Corydon76-home> There are some people who act rationally the vast majority of the time, and everybody acts rationally some of the time. 17:05 <@Wilpig> failed logic shouldn't count as logic 17:05 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: is there such a thing as A logic? 17:05 <@benthemeek> I have been reading "the better angels of our nature" and how our using government as a "neutral" thrid party to use punishment and reward have worked so well 17:06 <@benthemeek> (at making life better in general) 17:06 < RangerZ1> yes, there are many different 'logics' 17:06 <@Dagmar> Dont' make start feeding the garden here. 17:06 <@aestetix> Let me rephrase that. Is logic something that exists outside of us, or something that exists because of us. 17:06 <@aestetix> When I say "that is reasonable" am I really saying "that is reasonable TO ME"? 17:06 < RangerZ1> A as in 'an logic(an hero)' not A is a signifying logic 17:06 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: The problem with assuming one logic is that it assumes one set of facts and that all of your presumed facts are, in fact, true. 17:06 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: agreed 17:07 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07 <@aestetix> So if something that is logical to person A is not logical to person B 17:07 <@Corydon76-home> Logic is simply the process by which conclusions are drawn from a set of suppositions 17:07 <@aestetix> Is it nontheless logical? 17:08 <@Corydon76-home> It can be, yes. 17:08 <@Dagmar> Reminder: truth and validity are separate 17:08 <@aestetix> heh yeah 17:08 <@Dagmar> http://legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/courses/log/tru-val.htm 17:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Peter Suber, "Truth and Validity" (at legacy.earlham.edu) 17:09 <@aestetix> Let me put it another way. 17:09 <@Corydon76-home> Logic is a conditional conclusion based upon a set of suppositions. If suppositions differ for two different persons, then their logical conclusions can be contradictory 17:09 <@benthemeek> Did anyone else here see the socratic dialog yesterday on reason on TED? 17:09 <@aestetix> Would Socrates forms exist if we did not? 17:09 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 17:09 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: agreed. 17:09 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: which points to the conclusion that logic is subjective. 17:09 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you're essentially asking if a tree falling in the forest makes a sound 17:09 <@benthemeek> http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_and_rebecca_newberger_goldstein_the_long_reach_of_reason 17:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Steven Pinker and Rebecca Newberger Goldstein: The long reach of reason | Talk Video | TED.com (at www.ted.com) 17:09 <@aestetix> Heh. 17:09 <@RangerZ> logic isn't subjective, there are just DIFFERENT types of logic, in math alone 17:10 <@RangerZ> let alone philosophy 17:10 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if the person who hears it is blind and deaf? 17:10 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, logic isn't subjective, because given the same suppositions, two person would come to the same conclusion 17:10 <@aestetix> Now I want to introduce the buddhists to Helen Keller 17:10 <@benthemeek> aestetix: lol 17:11 <@RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mathematical_logic 17:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Category:Mathematical logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 17:11 <@aestetix> RangerZ: agreed 17:11 <@aestetix> I think that objective truth is the same thing as the infinity. 17:11 <@aestetix> The summation of all subjective truths. 17:12 <@RangerZ> and given the same suppositions, different answers can be obtained in philosophy, just ask the Muslims and Christians about Christ 17:12 <@Corydon76-home> The problem therein is sufficiently defining the suppositions such that two persons will make the identical conclusion 17:12 <@aestetix> And a night with Corydon76-home 17:12 <@klixa> im now the proud owner of this thing http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81j2finhGbL._SL1500_.jpg 17:12 <@RangerZ> Muslims agree he did everything Christians think he did, but that he himself was only a profit(hehe) 17:13 <@aestetix> klixa: please tell me that's the great american challenge 17:13 <@klixa> um... 17:13 <@RangerZ> klixa: its an American Gladiator Infant training center 17:13 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: but you're talking about two incomplete sets of suppositions 17:13 <@klixa> RangerZ: lol 17:13 <@Corydon76-home> There are additional suppositions that lead Muslims to believe Jesus is a prophet 17:14 <@RangerZ> true, and that was my point, b/c no one ever 'accounts for all suppositions' in real life 17:14 <@RangerZ> (leave Turing and Von Neumann out of this, they don't count) 17:14 <@RangerZ> lol 17:19 <@RangerZ> therefore what might make perfect logical sense to 'us' ... like not re-using the same buffers in a LIFO buffer cache, without 0ing them out... requires perquisite knowledge, that others might not have 17:19 <@RangerZ> lol 17:19 <@Dagmar> Philosophy isn't about formal logic. 17:20 <@Dagmar> It's about making some shit up that sounds good. 17:20 * Dagmar waits for the bobber to bounce. 17:20 <@benthemeek> Cynic ;) 17:21 * benthemeek points at his link above in case anyone didnt notice. Really good stuff 17:22 <@Dagmar> I'm sure babies love it 17:24 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:24 <@aestetix> benthemeek: the whole reason/empathy argument sounds a lot like the structure vs chaos argument 17:29 <@benthemeek> I am ignorant of the structure/chaos argument. I am fascinated with why violence and equality are improving worldwide century by century and year by year. Reason, and the inability to hold contradicting values in my our minds seems a good hypothesis to me 17:30 <@Dagmar> It doesn't matter. Chaos rules. 17:30 <@Dagmar> Order is precious because it's astonishing there's any of it at all. 17:33 <@aestetix> benthemeek: I don't know that it improves things. 17:33 <@aestetix> It simply changes what we find acceptable. 17:34 <@benthemeek> aestetix: what things? 17:34 <@benthemeek> infanticide? minority genocide? 17:36 <@benthemeek> Its a terrible irony to me that perhaps the very thing we lament (people all adapting to norms in our society) has brought about the most tolerance and appreaciation for diversity in it 17:37 <@benthemeek> 100 years ago there were no taboos about literally beating the devil out of children. Or beating wives who didn't do their duties properly before that. 17:37 <@benthemeek> Now those ideas are such a part of our "norms" we cant accept them any longer 17:37 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 17:38 <@aestetix> benthemeek: and as a result we have helicopter parents afraid of their children getting a scratch on their knee ;) 17:38 <@benthemeek> Now the new taboo seems to be focused on bullying and perhaps homosexual persecution. When those ideas take over we will move on to the next new taboo 17:38 <@aestetix> Also, I'm not sure I would say things are fantastic when we live in a country that puts young adults into life long indentured servitude by means of student loans 17:39 <@RangerZ> aestetix: thats slowly stopping 17:39 <@RangerZ> Oregon for example 17:39 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I will grant you that its far from perfect and there is much room to go. In general as a rule though life is better for us all 17:39 <@RangerZ> and Ohio is looking into something similar 17:40 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I am struck that many are afraid to celebrate how far we have come just because there is still a big distance to go 17:40 <@aestetix> Also, what happens when the tolerance police become intolerant themselves. 17:41 <@aestetix> How far have we come from what? And where are we going? 17:41 <@benthemeek> Stupid things to be sure. Like suspending kids for bringing water guns 17:41 <@RangerZ> b/c 60k is going to be a full or mostly full year of my income when I graduate 17:41 <@aestetix> When we make something socially unpopular, people simply revert to private and underground channels for it. 17:41 <@benthemeek> but as taboos firmly establish themselves into our mental framework we move further away from things that before caused violence and suffering 17:41 <@RangerZ> at start 17:42 <@aestetix> I mean there are groups who think that we won't be OK until we eradicate pornography. 17:42 <@aestetix> And how much agency do you really have when you work for a large company? 17:42 <@RangerZ> and at that much, i'm ~2x the national average, but no where close to most law/med school students 17:42 <@benthemeek> aestetix: there are. Adult sex workers are also persecuted etc. But even that is improving and more accepted 17:42 <@aestetix> I suggest we replace one tyranny with another :) 17:42 <@klixa> aestetix: no one forces those kids to get loans 17:43 <@klixa> people can work and pay for school... or only get loans, etc 17:43 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you KNOW he meant 's/tyranny/trany 17:43 <@aestetix> klixa: have oyu seen tuition prices lately? 17:43 <@klixa> aestetix: not for the entire country 17:43 <@klixa> i now some ares are insane.. but many are not 17:43 <@klixa> areas* 17:44 <@RangerZ> tuition at my school literally doubled in the 9 years between when I graduated HS, and graduated school (took 4 years off in between HS/college) 17:44 <@RangerZ> and Ohio's state constitution puts a cap on 6% increase each year at state univ. 17:44 <@RangerZ> so they DO the 6% 17:45 <@benthemeek> aestetix: tuition is outrageous, however I can see it staying privatized much longer. I imagine in our life times probably within the next 20 years that will be fixed. It will have to be or it will collapse 17:45 <@benthemeek> cant* 17:47 <@Dagmar> Nah, slaves will keep signing up for the gilded cage 17:48 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: I don't think so because many other countries are actually producing highly educated people with state money who are in demand. 'Merica will catch up 17:48 <@RangerZ> http://www.salon.com/2013/07/11/oregon_students_partner/ 17:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Oregon may have solved the student loan crisis - Salon.com (at www.salon.com) 17:49 <@RangerZ> if you make 60k/year and do so for 20 years, thats still only 36k repaid to the state 17:49 <@benthemeek> The only thing that should stop a person from higher education is their learning abilities and limitations (IMHO) 17:49 <@RangerZ> also... yay... off Comcrap's rented cable modem 17:51 <@klixa> community colleges= about $4000 a year... pell grant is 5,000 a year 17:51 <@klixa> so, community colleges can still be paid for without loans 17:51 <@klixa> plus each state has an additional gramt amount 17:52 <@klixa> state schools are about 8000 for a cheap one... leaving only $3000 a year for student to come up with...then for both another 1500/year for books 17:53 <@klixa> in tn, they add an additional $2000 for the grant amount, for example 17:54 <@klixa> 5, 730 t be precise on the pell 17:56 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:59 <@aestetix> I am a big fan of community colleges 18:00 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 18:02 <@RangerZ> and it helps if you actually re-setup to route through your router... 18:10 <@benthemeek> route add default gateway 192.168.0.1 :P 18:10 <@benthemeek> actually i didnt include the route in that 18:10 * benthemeek google the command. Its been a while 18:11 <@benthemeek> route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0 18:13 <@benthemeek> one a totally related note I have had to write a script for the MAC users who connect to the sonicwall vpn here because once connected it wont route any of the traffic to the vpn. 18:13 <@benthemeek> pain in the butt to figure that out 18:13 <@benthemeek> People want their macs though 18:13 <@RangerZ> why? 18:13 <@klixa> osx users :P 18:13 <@RangerZ> i mean why won't it route 18:13 <@benthemeek> it doesnt add a route 18:14 <@RangerZ> not why would people want osx 18:14 <@benthemeek> you can do a netstat -rn and its not there 18:14 <@klixa> osx is better than windows :P 18:14 <@benthemeek> its bizzare 18:14 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: That other countries are doing it is precisely why the people benefiting from the indentured servitude system here will argue that we need to keep enslaving everyone 18:14 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that these things do not make any sense 18:14 <@klixa> this country is gonna collapse and become 3rd world 18:14 <@RangerZ> nah 18:14 <@benthemeek> klixa: unless you are connecting to a sonicwall vpn 18:15 <@Dagmar> We're already third world in a few ways 18:15 <@RangerZ> 3rd world will become even worse off when we colapse 18:15 <@klixa> get out while you still can...NSA, TSA...we're doomed 18:15 <@RangerZ> child mortality 18:15 <@RangerZ> number of people we imprison 18:15 <@RangerZ> people who believe in angels 18:16 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q49NOyJ8fNA 18:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Newsroom "America is not the greatest country in the world anymore" 2012 TV series - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 18:16 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: I think you are saying that (if i am understanding) that other countries are just pushing people through it without them having the merit or ability to earn it? 18:16 <@benthemeek> That is a concern 18:16 <@klixa> no, i think hees saying that americnas are very xenophobic 18:16 <@benthemeek> there should be strict standards if it is *free* 18:16 <@benthemeek> ah 18:16 <@klixa> and like to remain as different as possible as other countries 18:17 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201905173421345&l=04080bd404 18:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Photo (at www.facebook.com) 18:17 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: No, other countries are getting people through college without saddling them with inescapable debts at outrageous interest rates that ensure they will remain in debt for the next third of their lives 18:18 <@Dagmar> So, since the other countries are still putting people through college, we need to keep charging ridiculous amounts, since, after all, banks are still willing to loan people the money. 18:19 <@Dagmar> ...and you can't charge _less_ because it would let "the wrong sort" in. 18:19 <@Dagmar> I am not even kidding about that. 18:19 <@Dagmar> That's actually part of the reason Chancellor Gee left. 18:19 <@Dagmar> People *complained* when he tried to lower tuition. 18:21 <@klixa> people in the US have this idea that people need to EARN/DESERVE everything... instead of having basic rights... 18:22 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.149.197.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22 <@klixa> the us disagrees with no man is an island...everyione is an island,..fend for yourself motherfucker 18:25 <@RangerZ> klixa: of course they do, who the hell are you to think that your child 'deserves' the right to to an education, and to not have poisoned formula/food/toys, pshh 18:25 <@RangerZ> ;) 18:26 * klixa hangs her head in shame for wanting too much :/ 18:26 <@klixa> lol 18:26 <@RangerZ> brb 18:26 <@klixa> our government subsidises corn...i really think this all the evidence anyone needs to know the US is evil 18:27 <@RangerZ> corn is fine 18:27 <@klixa> no 18:27 <@RangerZ> the problem is ethenol 18:27 <@RangerZ> corn needs to go back to 'regular' cash crop 18:27 <@klixa> corn's cheapness is why junkfood is so damn cheap 18:27 <@klixa> also, the cows, etc are eating corn 18:27 <@klixa> which is making them messed up, and we eat them 18:30 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:30 < RangerZ1> also, kinda surprised that Colbert is going to take over for Dave on CBS when he retires next year 18:30 < RangerZ1> wonder if he'll stick with his 'colbert report' persona 18:31 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:44 < RangerZ1> he's going to have to 'act normal' because even now a lot of conservatives believe that he's an actual conservative 18:44 < RangerZ1> just playing it up more than he needs for laughs 19:11 <@aestetix> penis 19:19 <@aestetix> http://trustedfederal.omnovia.com/archives/176070 19:34 <@aestetix> You guys might like that 19:34 <@aestetix> It's the talk I gave at IDESG 19:34 <@aestetix> the government identity thing 19:46 <@Dickie> ass 19:46 <@Dickie> titties 19:46 <@Dickie> ass n titties 19:47 <@Dickie> We having PN this year, or The Con Formally Known as PN 19:47 <@Dickie> If we have PN, the theme should be Prince 19:47 <@Dickie> I'M CLEVER 19:50 <@Dickie> Just don't put rattle on the badge again 19:50 * Dickie is still mad 19:53 <@klixa> aestetix: i like that shirt 19:53 <@aestetix> oh the mickey mouse shirt? :p 19:54 <@klixa> more like random mouse wearing a gas mask...but ok 19:54 <@klixa> i have a deadmau5 shirt (dont care one way or the ther about band) but teh mouse part is a circuit board 19:57 <@aestetix> klixa: that room was full of government types, if you can't tell :p 19:58 <@klixa> do you find that those types listen to you? (due to your *casual* appearence) 19:59 <@klixa> i ask due to your appearence, i mean* 19:59 * klixa cant multitask either... 20:07 <@klixa> dna names... 20:07 <@klixa> fingerprint name woudl make ore sense 20:07 <@klixa> more* 20:09 <@klixa> dna name is retarded...fingerprint name... ok, now thats settled... so so cute: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/22518066857207307/ 20:17 < RangerZ1> umm aestetix, that page requires username/pass 20:18 < RangerZ1> sorry, 'first and last name' 20:19 < RangerZ1> which i find REALLY funny b/c of your talk 20:20 <@klixa> i put in something fake 20:20 <@klixa> and yes, i thought that was funny too 20:45 <@Wilpig> damnit i need to get up and get this place straightened up before the housekeeper comes tomorrow 20:46 < RangerZ1> ... 20:46 < RangerZ1> ok 20:46 < RangerZ1> I'll bite 20:47 < RangerZ1> how many women you have tied up in your bedroom 20:47 <@Wilpig> 0 20:47 < RangerZ1> ohh ok, they are in cages in your living room then 20:47 <@Wilpig> it would be kinda crazy to have some woman tied up in here knowing i have the housekeeper coming tomorrwo 20:48 < RangerZ1> thats my point 20:50 <@Wilpig> last I checked i'm not crazy though 20:50 <@Wilpig> I haven't tried to move klixa in or anything 20:51 < RangerZ1> ...not yet... 20:51 < RangerZ1> she has to come visit first 21:10 <@aestetix> vagina 21:11 <@klixa> moving me in would be crazy? o.O :( 21:16 < RangerZ1> klixa: think about it, would you let yourself move in? 21:16 <@klixa> well, my baby could use a younger ginger brother or sister 21:17 < RangerZ1> see, thats why he won't let you in 21:17 <@klixa> but our children would be beautiful!!!! 21:17 < RangerZ1> besides, female line determines haircolor more than male 21:17 <@klixa> i have nearly black hair; my baby is blonde 21:17 < RangerZ1> so? 21:17 <@klixa> why does female line determine it more? 21:18 <@klixa> you get half of each parents DNA 21:18 <@klixa> how did hair color end up being form fem side 21:18 < RangerZ1> b/c hair color is not a 'straight mendel' gene 21:18 <@klixa> what kind is it 21:18 < RangerZ1> it involves more than one gene, in complex ways 21:18 <@klixa> well all traits usually involve more genes, ie allels 21:18 < RangerZ1> and thats found on the X chromo 21:19 <@klixa> well, she has his hair 21:19 <@klixa> and you know, men contibute an X too when its a girl 21:19 < RangerZ1> blonde is actually a normal recessive gene, but red isn't 21:19 <@klixa> so maybe that hair color hting only applies when you ahve a boy 21:20 < RangerZ1> and female gingers are the only good gingers ;) 21:20 <@aestetix> I thought gingers didn't have souls 21:20 < RangerZ1> who cares if they are pretty females? 21:20 <@klixa> well, baby #1 has enough soul... baby #2 can be soulless 21:21 < RangerZ1> I just assume females have no souls and that they will eventually kill me and take my money 21:21 <@aestetix> I wonder if ginger babies have ginger poop 21:21 <@klixa> no 21:21 <@aestetix> what color poop do they have? 21:21 <@klixa> grene/yellow like all all other babies 21:22 <@klixa> my beautiful baby, at 5moths old (so lke a week ago) https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/q77/s720x720/10154357_263170003865199_1639115593_n.jpg 21:22 < RangerZ1> congrats, she actually isn't ugly, and is cute 21:22 < RangerZ1> unlike most baby pics 21:22 < RangerZ1> lol 21:22 <@aestetix> wait 21:23 <@aestetix> you tell me what color baby poop is, and then link me to a pic 21:23 <@aestetix> sicko 21:23 <@klixa> its green or yellow; http://www.babycenter.com/baby-poop-photos 21:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Baby poop A visual guide - Photo Gallery | BabyCenter (at www.babycenter.com) 21:24 <@aestetix> why did you have that handy 21:24 <@klixa> i googled it 21:24 < RangerZ1> You know... I love how Feedreader has stopped development at v3.14... lol 21:25 <@klixa> i used the search term "normal baby poop" ... i actually had to look it up before...to amke sure hers was normal...cause when you breastfeed its suuuper runny 21:25 <@aestetix> This is not making me want to have a kid 21:25 <@klixa> and...i wanted to make sure it was ok and she wasnt sick...anyway as a new parent, the dr's ask you this stuff every visit 21:25 <@klixa> how often, the color, the conistencey, etc 21:25 <@klixa> aestetix: just make the woman do all that stuff 21:26 <@aestetix> do their poops smell too? 21:26 <@klixa> yes 21:26 <@aestetix> Is that what the "new baby smell" is? 21:26 <@klixa> no 21:26 <@klixa> new baby smell is a nice smell...nothing to do with poop 21:28 <@aestetix> So doctors actually ask you about the baby poops? 21:28 <@klixa> yes...its one of the factors that lets them ascertain the baby's health 21:29 < RangerZ1> aestetix: yep 21:29 < RangerZ1> anyone who has taken care of a baby fore more than a few hours, will know this 21:29 < RangerZ1> smell too 21:30 < RangerZ1> sudden change in 'anything' relating to a baby is cause for concern 21:31 <@aestetix> Babies are like these little balls of flesh that cry, puke, and poop 21:32 <@klixa> they also smile, laugh, make noises, give you hugs, lick your face, stick theor tounge out at you, wave, etc 21:32 <@aestetix> my cat can do that 21:33 <@klixa> your cat desnt share 50% of your DNA :P 21:33 <@klixa> well..maybe *your* cat might... 21:33 <@klixa> heres her new toy http://cl.ly/image/3R021f0w0G30 21:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: IMG_0544.jpg (at cl.ly) 21:34 <@Wilpig> klixa: that looks like a horrible cat toy 21:35 <@klixa> lol 21:35 < RangerZ1> http://www.twitch.tv/roberts_space_ind_ch_1 going to be showing off Dog Fighting Module soon 21:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitch (at www.twitch.tv) 21:35 < RangerZ1> for Star Citizen 21:45 <@aestetix> ok can someone explain this to me 21:45 <@aestetix> this guy was complaining about not having a girlfriend 21:45 <@aestetix> but then said he refuses to use okcupid because he's too good for it 21:45 <@Dickie> I know that feeling. 21:45 <@aestetix> note that he doesn't get out much 21:46 <@aestetix> I think he mostly stays home and plays videogames whne he's not at work 21:46 <@Dickie> He'll meet someone on WoW 21:48 <@aestetix> Of course 21:48 <@aestetix> He lives in mountain view, so on the offchance he's social enough to go to a bar, he finds other startup guys also looking to get laid 21:48 < RangerZ1> http://www.twitch.tv/roberts_space_ind_ch_1 starting now, if you are curious 21:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitch (at www.twitch.tv) 21:49 <@aestetix> Is it possible for male babies to get erections? 21:49 < RangerZ1> yes 21:49 <@aestetix> can they ejaculate? 21:49 < RangerZ1> fetuses can get'em 21:49 < RangerZ1> no 21:49 < RangerZ1> no fluid production yet 21:49 <@aestetix> huh 21:49 <@aestetix> can they have orgasms? 21:50 < RangerZ1> thats up for debate 21:50 < RangerZ1> it actually caused issues in congress 21:50 <@aestetix> hahaha 21:50 < RangerZ1> b/c republicans tried to use it as reasons for why to ban abortion 21:50 <@aestetix> How old do you have to be before you can ejaculate? 21:50 <@Dickie> puberty? 21:50 < RangerZ1> puberty IIRC 21:50 <@aestetix> brb masturbation 21:52 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 21:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 21:55 <@aestetix> https://www.eff.org/fight 21:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Organizing Resources | Electronic Frontier Foundation (at www.eff.org) 21:55 <@Dagmar> Oh well. Someone bought the car I was looking at. 21:58 <@Wilpig> that stinks 21:59 <@Dagmar> It's not a big deal. There will be others. 21:59 < RangerZ1> the Delorian ? 21:59 <@Dagmar> no 21:59 < RangerZ1> lol 22:00 < RangerZ1> now that I've gotten used to the LCD speed readout 22:00 < RangerZ1> I don't think I can go back to 'normal' speedometer anymore 22:05 < RangerZ1> especially since I'm a huge user of cruise control on the high way, just 'set it and forget it' 22:06 < RangerZ1> and a better readout than an analog display 22:15 <@opticron> I need to install cruise on my car 22:15 <@opticron> my lead foot got me a ticket recently 22:29 <@Wilpig> you could just hire a driver instead. it would be more fun to say things like "jeaves... to the grocery" than to actually drive there 22:32 <@opticron> the expensive grocery is within walking distance (2ish miles) 22:32 <@opticron> the cheaper ones are not 22:54 < RangerZ1> yeah, my mom gets pissed at me 22:54 < RangerZ1> b/c I set cruise AT the speed limit 22:55 < RangerZ1> and I don't think she's ever driven below the speed limit, other than traffic or accelerating 22:56 < RangerZ1> but I haven't had a ticket in like 10 years 22:56 < RangerZ1> so its worth it 22:58 <@Wilpig> I haven't had a ticket in at least that long as well and I routinely drive 10-15 over the limit 22:59 <@Wilpig> I have been pulled over on a number of occasions though. 23:24 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig's learned that officers are willing to look the other way in exchange for a blowjob. 23:27 <@Wilpig> nope. but the night the cop pulled me over and I was raving over having heat in my truck I probably came close to being committed 23:38 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: do you prefer to give or recieve blowjobs? 23:39 <@Corydon76-home> Give 23:39 <@Wilpig> okay so I just fired up "Return to Nuke 'Em High Volume 1" and I swear to god the narrator is stan lee 23:39 <@aestetix> Do you deep throat? 23:41 <@Wilpig> it is stan lee 23:41 <@Corydon76-home> Nope 23:41 <@aestetix> What's the most someone has ejaculated into your mouth? 23:44 <@aestetix> Or do you not let them come in your mouth 23:47 <@Corydon76-home> How exactly do you proposing measuring what you swallow? 23:47 <@aestetix> Maybe by number of spurts. 23:48 <@aestetix> I mean, did it fill your mouth and drip out? 23:48 <@Corydon76-home> You do it once, and tell me if you can tell how many spurts past the first one. 23:48 <@Corydon76-home> Once, yes 23:49 <@aestetix> That must have been a lot of cum 23:49 <@aestetix> Did you swallow all of it? 23:50 <@Corydon76-home> Nope, the stuff which leaked out wasn't swallowed 23:51 <@aestetix> http://imgur.com/QCpTjkz I'm not sure if that's legal 23:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: [NSFW] Saw this in a store in Japan, only $100! - Imgur (at imgur.com) 23:54 < RangerZ1> aestetix: it is 23:54 < RangerZ1> b/c its 'cartoony' 23:55 < RangerZ1> you can pretty much get away with anything in japan as long as the person is 12~13 y/o+ (age of consent(SP?) in parts of japan) and animated 23:57 < RangerZ1> also, gay prostition is not illegal, only "true" sex 23:57 < RangerZ1> between a man and a woman 23:58 <@klixa> isnt gay sex illegal in general? 23:58 < RangerZ1> nope 23:58 < RangerZ1> it was a proud part of tradition there, just like in the rest of the world, they just don't pretend otherwise 23:59 <@klixa> aestetix: do you prefer to give or recieve oral sex? 23:59 < RangerZ1> klixa: you forgot receiving end's gender 23:59 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: are you the dominant/male in your relationshio? 23:59 < RangerZ1> klixa: wow... 23:59 < RangerZ1> the fact that dominant = male, the way you asked it, is kinda funny --- Log closed Fri Apr 11 00:00:08 2014