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01:51 <@RangerZ> Mirage: nice video
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03:50 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4l5w5_9ook this is the crap that drives a deeper and deeper wedge between the police and _everyone_ let alone minorities, but especially them
03:50 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cop Pulls Gun On Fifth Graders Building Tree Fort - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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08:01 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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10:00 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING PEOPLEZ!
10:01  * shapr hugs Shadow404 with great hugginess
10:01 < nachoguy> mr0nin'
10:01 <@Corydon76-home> "Good morning" is an oxymoron
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10:02 <@shapr> unless you had an amazing night before, right?
10:16 <@Dagmar> I guess at least this time we know exactly why all of freenode was restarted.
10:16 <@Dagmar> Luckily things are not as bad off at work as I was worried they might be
10:21 <@Dagmar> Considering that I'm pretty sure the annoucement about libtls being crap last month spurred the people who eventually found the heartbleed stuff
10:21 <@Dagmar> ...which means the Chinese have also had a month to consider the possibilities.
10:27 <@aestetix> Hmmm
10:27 <@aestetix> RangerZ: my academic talk went well. Now I'm looking at expanding/adding to the paper
10:28 <@shapr> aestetix: link?
10:29 <@shapr> I've given some academic talks, they're fun!
10:29 <@aestetix> shapr: the talk itself was not recorded
10:29 <@aestetix> But I can link you to the paper
10:29 <@aestetix> It's so wierd... academics value papers above talk recordings
10:30 <@shapr> ok, link me to the paper. I enjoy reading research papers.
10:30 <@aestetix> yeah I have a bunch of stuff to add to it
10:30 <@aestetix> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppxbsjo32j7n2p2/intro%20to%20identity%20theory.pdf
10:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - intro to identity theory.pdf (at www.dropbox.com)
10:31 <@aestetix> they wanted an 8-10 page paper
10:31 <@aestetix> I stopped where I did because I realized if I kept going it would be at least 30 pages, and it doesn't even begin to cover some of the stuff
10:32 <@aestetix> I should actually add PhreakNIC into that paper, since PhreakNIC is the first place I ever spoke on nyms
10:40 <@aestetix> shapr: lemme know what you think
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10:51 <@aestetix> oh wow
10:51 <@aestetix> https://www.hackerschool.com/blog/35-were-hiring-an-operations-person
10:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: Were hiring an operations person - Blog - Hacker School (at www.hackerschool.com)
10:51 <@aestetix> Speaking of transparency, we can pay between $50,000 and $60,000 a year, and we will give you stock options (~0.25%).
10:51 <@aestetix> that's like poverty level in NYC
11:02 <@Dagmar> Well, it's not like hackers need money or anything
11:03 <@Dagmar> That is _less than I am making here_
11:03 <@Dagmar> FUck them
11:03 <@Dagmar> Everyone knows ops staff sleep in alleys and eat lichen anyway
11:05 <@Dagmar> You sure that wasn't posted as an April Fools' joke?
11:15 <@Dagmar> lol http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4421494
11:16 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: Apparently they're banning somme of the OP champions outright hahah
11:28 <@aestetix> ok so
11:28 <@aestetix> heartbleed
11:28 <@Dagmar> Ver' bad juju
11:28 <@aestetix> is that affecting the openssl library only, or also certs?
11:28 <@Dagmar> Not immediately exploitable.
11:29 <@Dagmar> It affects the library and allows you to potentially snatch a copy of the secret keys
11:29 <@Dagmar> ...as well as possibly usernames and passwords still in memory
11:29 <@aestetix> ah ok
11:30 <@Dagmar> Basically, you get randomly select 64k chunks of process memory sent to you on demand until you're tired of collecting it
11:30 <@aestetix> so the issue is that because it can read memory, there is a chance an attacker might have access to all those things
11:30 <@Dagmar> There's a certainty that if an attacker pokes at it for about half a day they're going to get it
11:30 <@aestetix> right
11:30 <@Dagmar> ...and once they get it they can decrypt your SSL sessions, and potentially MITM your formerly safe SSL sessions
11:31 <@Dagmar> Meaning people who have serious concerns about espionage should go ahead and talk to their signers about a reissue with a new key, just in case
11:31 <@Dagmar> ...because this is neither preventable, nor _detectable_ normally.
11:31 <@Dagmar> The safe thing is to assume the compromise happened.
11:32 <@Dagmar> Something being neither preventable nor detectable is _very_ bad.
11:32 <@Dagmar> Recovering from a comprommise just means getting a new cert with a new key issued
11:32 <@Dagmar> Wlll not affect end users in the slightest to update that, and only takes a graceful apache restart to put into place
11:33 <@Dagmar> If we were vulnerable, I would be annoying someone on a weekly basis until we got at least our wildcard certs reissued.
11:35 <@Dagmar> https://www.mattslifebytes.com/?p=533
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11:40 < nachoguy> if you upgrade ssl, do you also need to reissue the certs?  or is the reissue certs only needed if you assume they were compromised?
11:40 < nachoguy> (I have certs that were generate with the old code but have not been put into production, do I need to re-generate them?)
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11:41 < polerin> daaaaayyyuumm.  XD
11:42 <@shapr> aestetix: really awesome so far
11:45 <@aestetix> thanks
11:45 <@aestetix> shapr: there is a LOT more I need to add
11:46 <@shapr> It fits with several things I've been thinking in the past few years.
11:46 <@aestetix> cool :)
11:47 <@aestetix> yeah, basically I was like "this is wrong...." and spent a few minutes trying to figure out a good and simple model that made more sense
11:47 <@shapr> I don't get all the pictures in evince on Ubuntu for some reason :-(
11:47 <@aestetix> oh heh
11:47 <@aestetix> ugh this is annoying
11:47 <@shapr> oh, I fixed it.
11:48 <@aestetix> I think I fixedheartbleed, but now I have to install go to make their stupid tool work
11:48 <@shapr> Didn't use LaTeX for this paper? :-)
11:48 <@aestetix> lol
11:48 <@aestetix> shapr: I tossed that paper together in 4 hours
11:48 <@aestetix> I did not know that academics give talks to promote papers
11:48 <@shapr> now you know :-)
11:49 <@aestetix> yeah
11:49 <@aestetix> well
11:49 <@aestetix> I will not write something unless someone reads it
11:49 <@shapr> I've only published .. one? paper I think. but I was active in the ivory tower academic world for quite some years.
11:49 <@aestetix> too many self-published rambling manifestos out there
11:50 <@shapr> I changed my legal name some years ago for reasons that are very much about the issue of identity, but aren't exactly on topic with this paper.
11:50 <@aestetix> well
11:50 <@aestetix> I need to write more, I guess
11:51 <@shapr> I'd also like to write a peer-to-peer name lookup service.
11:51 <@aestetix> heh
11:51 <@aestetix> there's an article my friend wrote that would interest you
11:51 <@aestetix> lemme find it
11:51 <@shapr> Where I could dereference your idea of a particular name, symbolic links sort of
11:51 <@aestetix> http://www.windley.com/archives/2014/04/on_names_and_heterarchy_.shtml
11:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: On Names and Heterarchy (at www.windley.com)
11:51 <@shapr> Ah yes, starting with hosts
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11:52 <@aestetix> one issue is that most geeks don't know the philosophy
11:52 <@aestetix> and most peple who know the philosophy are not technical
11:53 <@shapr> I first ran across the philosophy when the semantic web got popular in the tech world, I learned about ontologies and all that.
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11:53 <@shapr> but I changed my name long before that, I've been Shae Erisson for fifteen years.
11:54 <@aestetix> shapr: so, now that you've read it
11:54 <@aestetix> know of any academic places that would be interested in it?
11:54 <@aestetix> I still need to email my new faculty advisor with that question
11:55 <@aestetix> ok
11:55 <@shapr> You need to find a philosophy department with strong tech connections, or the other way around.
11:56 <@aestetix> I just verified the fix. Having someone test out the system to make sure it didn't break anything
11:56 <@shapr> Maybe IT Ethics?
11:56 <@aestetix> Step 2, deploy fix. Step 3, contact digicert for a new cert
11:56 <@aestetix> hmm
11:56 <@shapr> It's a neat paper, but ... oh hey, what about USENIX?
11:56 <@aestetix> I also submitted something to CFP
11:57 <@aestetix> hmm I'll look into usenix
11:57 <@shapr> They accept all sorts of nifty stuff that doesn't really fit elsewhere.
11:57 <@shapr> my recent favorite is: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/people/mickens/thenightwatch.pdf
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12:03 <@aestetix> shapr: did you finish it yet?
12:03 <@shapr> Your paper? yes
12:03 <@aestetix> ok
12:03 <@shapr> It's not very long or especially dense
12:03 <@aestetix> yeah I didn't even begin to touch all the issues going on with websites
12:03 <@aestetix> or with NSTIC
12:03 <@shapr> It's more an exploratory paper
12:04 <@shapr> If you want to turn it into a real academic publication, I'd suggest you dig through Google Scholar for some background research.
12:04 <@aestetix> heh
12:04 <@shapr> I'm sure you can rewrite this and sew together a bunch of references from CS and Philosophy.
12:04 <@aestetix> is this the part where I need to add in sources to make it look more academic? :p
12:04 <@shapr> Could be a really great fusion paper.
12:04 <@shapr> Yes, sources are there for a reason :-)
12:05 <@Dagmar> Sources = "I am not the only asshole you're arguing with"
12:06 <@aestetix> so sources are the academic paper version of trusting your public key?
12:06 <@Dagmar> mgodzilla: I expect most of the signers will be allowing a lot of free resigns for this
12:06 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
12:08 < polerin> so lemmie get this shit right, SSL cert revoc doesn't work right, OpenSSL is fucked and is leaking certs all over the damn net, and the only way to actually get most of those certs to detect as revoked would be to re-issue new root certificates, which would involve browser/OS updates.
12:08 <@Dagmar> Cert revocation works fine.
12:09 <@Dagmar> There is no need to replace root certs.
12:09 < polerin> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/05/13/how-certificate-revocation-doesnt-work-in-practice.html
12:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: How certificate revocation (doesnt) work in practice | Netcraft (at news.netcraft.com)
12:09 < polerin> ^^ not a thing?
12:09 <@Dagmar> People who have a concern just need to go to their signer and say "Here is a new CSR from my new key.  Reissue, plxthxbai~"
12:10 <@Dagmar> You don't particularly need to revoke the old cert.
12:10 <@Dagmar> You just have to stop using it.
12:10 < polerin> but if your old cert is compromised, wouldn't that lead to MITM vulnerabilities?
12:10 <@aestetix> don't forget changing passwords
12:10 <@Dagmar> You can tell your registrar to revoke it if you'd like
12:11 < polerin> aestetix: I'm not even starting down that way
12:11 <@Dagmar> ...and simply wait for the browsers to start checking the CRLs
12:11 < polerin> heh
12:11 <@aestetix> so yeah, I'm waiting for support to test my staging system
12:12 <@aestetix> when that's found to be good, I'll proceed with other things
12:12 < polerin> so in other words, right now the system's pretty fucked for this situation. Yay.  :P
12:12 <@aestetix> polerin: yep
12:12 <@Dagmar> Not really.
12:12 <@aestetix> digicert will be having lots of fun today
12:12 <@Dagmar> It's a highly unpleasant situation, but we've got a clear plan of remediation and mitigation
12:12 <@Dagmar> First step, patch.
12:12 <@Dagmar> Second step, reissue.
12:12 <@Dagmar> Third step, request revocation.
12:12 < polerin> Dagmar: so if browsers and other SSL consumers aren't checking the revocations, and a key is exposed, how would you protect against impersonation?
12:13 <@Dagmar> You don't.
12:13 <@Dagmar> You wait for the browsers to fix the problem.
12:13 < polerin> ok so it's fucked for right now
12:13 < polerin> :P
12:13 <@aestetix> Dagmar: the challenge is that that takes a while
12:13 < polerin> Like, I get that it'll get fixed in the future
12:13 <@aestetix> and for me, fucks my entire schedule of what I was going to do this week
12:13 <@Dagmar> Yes, but going forward, all the stuff the end-users need to do is doable
12:13 < polerin> but so many of our hits are from fucking IE 8 that it's not even funny
12:14 <@Dagmar> Well, great then.   IE8 actually checks the CRLs apparently
12:14 <@aestetix> so was this a new code commit? or did it just go unseen for years?
12:14 <@Dagmar> It almost makes up for all the other broken shit in the various other versions of IE
12:14 <@Dagmar> _almost_
12:14 < polerin> what I mean is that users don't update their shit, which means that the vulnerability is serious.
12:14 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Vulnerability was introduced in openssl 1.0.1
12:14 <@shapr> aestetix: I think sources are there so you can say "I'm extending the work of other people, here's how I've synthesized their ideas"
12:14 <@Dagmar> If users didn't update their shit they're acutally probably in good shape right now
12:14 <@aestetix> shapr: but I"m not :p
12:15 <@Dagmar> Practically none of our stuff was above 1.0.0
12:15 <@shapr> but you are
12:15 <@aestetix> Dagmar: ah ok
12:16 <@aestetix> shapr: well, I am, but it's not work by academics for the most part
12:16 <@Dagmar> If you were writing a paper for high school or college, you would be saying that because professors don't think students should be allowed to think for themselves.
12:16 <@shapr> aestetix: that's fine, but you can still cite them
12:16 <@Dagmar> Hardcore academia will do some thinking for themselves, and are expected to be able to defend their own conclusions.
12:16 <@aestetix> ok
12:16 <@Dagmar> Sources are there just to say "I didn't just make all this shit up"
12:16 <@aestetix> Like one person I will be citing is Lucky Green
12:16 <@aestetix> based on an hour long phone call I had with him about identity stuff :p
12:16 <@shapr> also, if you do see if others have taken similar tacks in the academic paper pushing world, you get more clout, you get to see if you're duplicating effort, you get to refine your own ideas.
12:17 <@aestetix> Although that part is not even in the paper yet
12:17 <@aestetix> true@
12:17 <@aestetix> true!
12:20 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar:  great, thanks.  We're going to be replacing all of our certificates now.
12:20 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: also, test it with the CLI tool
12:20 <@aestetix> because the heartblood website is giving false positives
12:20 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: link?
12:20 < NoFault1> https://gist.github.com/takeshixx/10107280
12:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: OpenSSL heartbeat PoC with STARTTLS support. (at gist.github.com)
12:20 < NoFault1> https://github.com/FiloSottile/Heartbleed
12:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: FiloSottile/Heartbleed · GitHub (at github.com)
12:20 <@aestetix> https://github.com/FiloSottile/Heartbleed
12:20 <@aestetix> that
12:21 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: If you were vulnerable and have a concern about espionage, yeah... you'll want to get your certs reissued just to be safe
12:21 <@Corydon76-home> We've already upgraded openssl to a non-vulnerable version.  The problem is that my boss is paranoid about security, and a potential breach is a breach, as far as he's concerned.
12:21 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: upgrading isn't good enough, because someone might have scanned your server's memory and nabbed the SSL cert/key
12:21 <@Dagmar> If someone managed to snatch the key, they could definitely do an interception later, and use that key to impersonate
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12:22 <@aestetix> I'm also probably going to ask all our users to log out and back in
12:22 <@Dagmar> If you reissue, the new key will still be trustable, and whether or not browsers handle the CRL properly is a problem on the browser end
12:22 <@aestetix> To get their session ids changed
12:24 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Just delete all the sessions on the server side
12:24 <@aestetix> fair enough
12:24 <@Corydon76-home> It's a little BOFHish, but it'll ensure all your users will have log in again
12:24 <@aestetix> I might want to send an email to everyone first :p
12:25 <@Dagmar> They'll figure it out.  ;)
12:25 <@aestetix> haha
12:25 <@Dagmar> ...if they even notice.
12:25 <@Dagmar> By now lots of people are used to occasionally having to relogin to servers
12:25 <@Catonic> wahoo.
12:25 <@Corydon76-home> If you want to be nice, you'd schedule the deletion for 15 minutes after COB.
12:27 <@Catonic> at
12:27 <@Corydon76-home> Specifically, to give them enough leeway for everybody to be done with whatever
12:28 <@Dagmar> Now we just wait for the clueless reporters
12:28 <@Corydon76-home> I don't work for government, and we don't always leave promptly at 5.
12:28 <@Dagmar> ...who will get their articles out maybe by Friday...
12:29 <@Dagmar> ...and we will all be saying "What... that?  We patched all that shit on Wednesday.  No longer an issue."
12:29 <@Corydon76-home> I'm sure if you call someone at News Channel 5, they can have it for the 6 pm news
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12:30 <@aestetix> well
12:30 <@aestetix> I just sent the CEO an email
12:30 <@aestetix> I'd rather he hears about it from me first than from the news
12:37 <@Dagmar> This is good.
12:37 <@Dagmar> I sent a five paragraph list of stuff to my new boss, just in case.
12:37 <@Dagmar> I know the old boss was an asshat and I was sorely tempted to see what keys I could snatch from some ITS stuff.
12:38 <@Dagmar> ...or, to be more sinister about it, see which servers were vulnerable and then wait until an entertainingly awkward time to inquire as to why they didn't get anything reissued.
12:38 <@Dagmar> In fact, if I wanted to make someone insane right now, I'd just mention this possibility to the poor girl who generally handles dealing with GeoTrust
12:39 <@Dagmar> Management tends to notice when she freaks out and runs in circles.
12:48 <@aestetix> sigh
12:48 <@aestetix> https://www.mattslifebytes.com/?p=533
12:49 <@Dagmar> I thought I linked that in here earlier
12:49 <@aestetix> oh
12:49 <@Dagmar> That's a fun toy he's got there
12:50 <@Dagmar> It's why we were saying "invalidate logins"
12:50 <@Dagmar> ("lololol"(
12:52 <@aestetix> I wonder how long the NSA has known about this
12:52 <@opticron> that is what I was thinking yesterday when I heard about this
12:53 <@aestetix> opticron: actually if you think about it, requesting SSL keys from companies is silly when they can just do this
12:55 <@aestetix> lol
12:55 <@aestetix> yahoo.com is vulnerable
12:55 <@aestetix> I just pulled this from yahoo.com
12:55 <@aestetix>  00000070  0a 41 75 74 68 6f 72 69  7a 61 74 69 60 bf 98 35  |.Authorizati`..5|
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12:59 <@Catonic> hey-o Shadow404
13:08 <@Shadow404> whats up yo
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13:11 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: heh, winblows is quoting 1 full day to finish that upload
13:12 <@Dagmar> The only time duration windows can get right is the three years between "give us money" and "give us more money"
13:14 <@Catonic> Shadow404: not a lot. Got to see Pima Air & Space in Tucson, forgot to check the leading edge of thier F-104.
13:14 <@Shadow404> ah cool
13:14 <@Shadow404> im uploading my pictures from the dc trip
13:15 <@Shadow404> got pics from, udvar-hazy and the air and space museum in dc
13:15 <@Catonic> sweet. looks like starfighters is coming along. how's the lesson plan going?
13:15 <@Catonic> niiiiiiiiiiice.
13:15 <@Shadow404> dad is no longr part of that group
13:15 <@Catonic> I think I remember you telling me that.
13:16 <@Catonic> I forget so much stuff today....
13:16 <@Shadow404> yeah, their website is worse than pn's or se2600's
13:16 <@Shadow404> updating that is
13:17 <@Catonic>  was messing around last night and read some neat stuff about ducted scramjets...
13:17 <@Catonic> too bad no one wants to go Mach 1+ except the military and intelligence circles.
13:18 <@aestetix> oh boy
13:18 <@aestetix> a customer just asked our twitter account when it would be fixed
13:20 <@Catonic> Shadow404: I've been up to my neck in SR-71 literature; realized the plane could do some things if not for the core of a jet engine sitting inside each nacelle.
13:21 <@Shadow404> sr-71 was one of the few planes equipped with RCS thrusters
13:21 <@Shadow404> cause it flew on the edge of space
13:23 <@Catonic> I thought the NF-104 had them; I don't remember seeing a mention of them in the SR-71 book or flight manual.
13:23 <@Catonic> http://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/manual/
13:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: SR-71 Online - SR-71 Flight Manual (at www.sr-71.org)
13:23 <@Shadow404> they did on the f104 but only certain models
13:23 <@Shadow404> that were designed for high altitude
13:23 <@aestetix> http://clients.dbee.com/coe/webcast/index.php?id=20140408-1&lang=en
13:24 <@aestetix> Snowden testifying at the EU
13:36 <@aestetix> this is the point when I discover how out-of-date our systems were
13:42 <@Dagmar> What sysems?
13:42 <@Dagmar> er systems?
13:52 < notlarry> wtf is DruCo?
13:52 < notlarry> oh, nvm
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14:29 <@Mirage> I think I should go home..I'm channeling my inner Dagmar too much today thanks to coworker idiocity.
14:30 <@Mirage> Coworker: "Maybe when we rebuild this box we should use LVM instead of a second disk."
14:30 <@Mirage> Me: "Maybe if you'd look, you'd notice it _is_ using LVM."
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14:41 <@Dagmar> lol
14:41 <@Dagmar> Man, if I buy this car, my insurance is going to go up!
14:41 <@Dagmar> Almost $500 a year, slightly more than twice what I'm paying on the beemer
14:42 <@Dagmar> Of course, it's worth about nine times what the beemerskate is worth
14:42 <@Mirage> And a little nicer too
14:42 <@Dagmar> This is true
14:43 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to call them back later and see if it being a convertible is having a serious impact
14:43 <@Mirage> I'm sure it being ~20 years newer has the most impact.
14:44 <@Shadow404> run the beamer into some water, collet insurance money, buy new car and pay insurance
14:44 <@Mirage> Insurance for my 2003 Civic is a little under what I pay on both of my '86 300ZX's
14:44 <@Shadow404> failed parking break or something
14:45 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure I could get someone to give me $1000 for it
14:46 <@aestetix> you know
14:46 <@aestetix> the thing that's really freaking out people
14:46 <@aestetix> the name "heartbleed"
14:47 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah, it's catchy
14:48 <@aestetix> I mean
14:48 <@aestetix> Trying to tell people about the DUAL_EC backdoor was hard.... nobody cared
14:48 <@aestetix> But telling them about HEARTBLEED
14:48 <@aestetix> that's scary
14:49 <@Dagmar> Dual_EC is only exploitable by the NSA, mostly.
14:49 <@Dagmar> *I* can exploit Heartbleed.
14:49 <@aestetix> yeah
14:49 <@aestetix> I already used it to learn one of my users paswords
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15:32 <@Dagmar> So...
15:32 < ytnexus> how bout them metd
15:32 < ytnexus> er mets
15:32 <@Dagmar> "Jujubes come in 5 delicious flavors..."
15:32 <@Dagmar> "Lime, violet, lemon, wild cherry, and lilac"
15:33 <@Dagmar> Seeing as how the box might as well be filled with brightly colored pencil erasers, this no longer suprises me
15:33 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure 'lilac' isn't a flavor, but violet definitely isen't.
15:34 <@Dolemite> yay, Ubuntu's latest distro for openssl is 1.0.1e
15:34 <@Dolemite> </sarcasm>
15:34 <@brimstone> i pulled down patched libssl for 12.04 earlier today
15:34 <@brimstone> works it seems
15:35 <@Dagmar> Kay is probably rejecting the packages because it really needs to be patched in the kernel.
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15:35 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile, Poettering probably isn't touching it because they're about to merge openssl into systemd anyway.
15:38 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck those asshats.
15:38 <@Bahhumbug> Just sayin'
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15:40 < ytnexus> why oh why do peopel call themselves "web developers" when they only work with WordPress and do not know what FTP is
15:40 <@Dagmar> Hell, man.  I'd be happy if they didn't know FTP.
15:40 <@Dagmar> We keep getting requests for that
15:40 <@Dagmar> "Sorry, we only do SCP"
15:46 <@Mirage> LOL.. http://centos.eecs.wsu.edu/6.5/isos/x86_64/
15:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Index of /6.5/isos/x86_64 (at centos.eecs.wsu.edu)
15:46 <@Mirage> oops, wrong link
15:47 <@Mirage> http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/vandals-target-smart-cars-san-francisco/nfTJb/
15:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: Fourth Smart car found flipped in Bernal Heights | www.ktvu.com (at www.ktvu.com)
15:47 <@Mirage> That's better
15:48 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar:  just tell them to use CyberDuck
15:48 <@Corydon76-home> I love the heck out of it, because it also supports things like S3 and Google Cloud Storage
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15:51 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'd have me a brand new human skin seat cover
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15:59 <@aestetix> ytnexus: do you consider someone a programmer who only works with HTML and CSS?
15:59 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I wouldn't, unless they're also doing Javascript
16:00 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: I tend to agree, although there are some amazing things you can do with CSS
16:00 <@Corydon76-home> There are some amazing things you can do with a paintbrush, but those people are artists, not programmers.
16:01 <@aestetix> what about html5?
16:01 <@Corydon76-home> What about <insert buzzword here>?
16:01 <@aestetix> lol
16:01 <@aestetix> fair enough
16:02 <@aestetix> well the reason I ask is that that one woma who emo-quit from github said she was a developer
16:02 < ytnexus> aestetix: sure if they are working with it, the person I was talking to did not even know how to do that. They were using the theme option to download the pre-designed themes, thats like me calling myself a linux adminstrator because I can add a new user through the GUI
16:02 <@aestetix> but from what I could tell, only did html and some css
16:02 < ytnexus> without knoing how to do anything else
16:02 <@aestetix> ytnexus: linus has a gui?
16:02 <@aestetix> er linux
16:02 < ytnexus> linux (typo and a terrible one)
16:03 < ytnexus> if I were in gnome using it's GUI interface to create new users
16:03 <@aestetix> why would you use gnome
16:03 <@Corydon76-home> I'm sure with a little elbow grease, Linus can be GUI (in your hand)
16:03 <@aestetix> also
16:03 <@aestetix> having a gui on a server seems like a bad idea, wasting all that precious memory
16:03 < ytnexus> aestetix: you see my point
16:04 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: not just memory, but also a ton more open ports that could have security holes
16:04 < ytnexus> they were doing everything wrong and were upset at what was going wrong, and were telling me "they knew what they were doing because they were a web developer"
16:04 < ytnexus> when all they needed to do was edit the wp-config, they could not figure out how to use cPanel's file managed after 45 minutes.
16:05 <@Wilpig> aestetix: she quit github cause she was being harassed by hulahoops
16:06 < ytnexus> then again, i hate phone support and bitch about it regardless if the person was smart or not
16:07 <@aestetix> and note that I am not saying women are not technical
16:08 <@aestetix> I am saying that that one particular woman was probably not a programmer
16:08 <@Corydon76-home> I don't have any knowledge of her, other than what's been in mainstream news.
16:09 <@Corydon76-home> And I think she claimed to be a developer, which is a different job
16:09 <@aestetix> well
16:09 <@aestetix> I know that a lot of programmers started calling themselves developers in the last 10-15 years
16:10 <@Bahhumbug> Because that's the industry buzzterm for 'em.
16:10 <@Corydon76-home> Software architects, database architects, programmers, graphic artists, and QA can all be developers, but a developer is not necessarily a programmer.
16:11 <@aestetix> ah ok
16:11 <@Bahhumbug> You lump artists in with developers?
16:11 <@aestetix> I never considered a graphic artist a developer
16:11 <@Bahhumbug> Neither did I.
16:11 <@Corydon76-home> And for that matter, not all programmers are developers
16:11 <@Wilpig> some of them are just hacks like dolemite and myself
16:11 <@Mirage> Since a good number of "Web Developers" are or at least started as Graphic Artists, it's not too much of a stretch.
16:13 <@Corydon76-home> If all you're doing is writing RPG, you're a programmer, not a developer, for example.
16:14 < ytnexus> buit what is their just write schell scripts?
16:14 < ytnexus> DMAN IT s/schell/shell
16:14 <@Bahhumbug> I don't see any tangible difference between "developer" and "programmer" these days other than most "developers" have a greater exposure to more languages / toolkits than did a "programmer" back when I was paid to do that.
16:14 <@Corydon76-home> If you're just writing shell scripts, you're probably a sysadmin
16:14 < ytnexus> Corydon76-home: yeah mostly useless unproductive shell scripts, like a RSS feeder
16:15 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: I view "developer" as being a wider term than programmer.
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> ytnexus: yeah, very few people are developing applications in shell script.  I'm sure it happens, though.
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> Anymore, that is
16:16 < ytnexus> Corydon76-home: i agree, but i do admit, it is a good place to start, helped me out. not that I would claim to be a programmer in any sense of the world.
16:17 <@Bahhumbug> sh -> perl -> python -> hack language of the day
16:18 <@Corydon76-home> ytnexus: oh, certainly.  But shell scripts are usually extremely fragile and buggy
16:18 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: do you shave your ass hair?
16:19 < ytnexus> Corydon76-home: oh yeah, esp when you are bored and try and write a ROT13 decryptor encryptor out of it
16:19 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: We are in work hours.  Ask later, after it gets dark in SF
16:19 <@Corydon76-home> ytnexus: You're insane, if you're trying to do character transliterations in shell script.
16:19 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: He'll probably be busy flipping Smartcars then.
16:20 < ytnexus> Corydon76-home: insane....no. Crazy with a huge helping of boredom, yes yes very
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16:20 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, I suppose you could do it with a single invocation of 'tr'
16:20 <@Mirage> ytnexus: That's normally the point where I go back and colorize my shell scripts
16:21 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: why?  You can do rot13 natively in bash with out outside calls.
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: and those scripts are why people think you're gay.  :-P
16:21 <@Bahhumbug> It won't be as slow as you might think when using builtins.
16:22 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: I normally don't run them through anything to make the all rainbows.
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: I'm sure it can be quite fast.  But I suspect it's also unreadable and unmaintainable.
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16:23 <@Wilpig> http://cpanayides.tumblr.com/post/82120930631/danoh-be-warned-i-think-wilpig-is-planning-a
16:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: danoh: be warned, I think wilpig is planning a... Won't the 'splodey hurt? (at cpanayides.tumblr.com)
16:24 <@Wilpig> just powered this rack back on after we recabled it and the second my boss announced he was powering it up I hit on the sysadmins with that
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: You're planning a coupe?  You're planning a small automobile?
16:25 <@Wilpig> apparently
16:26 <@Wilpig> i thought the same thing
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16:50 <@aestetix> vagina
16:51 < ytnexus> the other pink meat?
16:58 <@RangerZ> so you're a vegetarian now ytnexus?
16:59 <@Corydon76-home> I only eat bird... y'know, cock.
17:00 <@RangerZ> so the Canfield Fair (largest county fair in ohio) has a 6ft  rooster as the mascot
17:00 <@RangerZ> yeah... the jokes...
17:04 <@RangerZ> ohh wow... the captcha finally changed on /.
17:04 <@RangerZ> for the last 2 years or so, I had the same word every time
17:04 <@Wilpig> I don't understand.  What kind of jokes can you make about that, aestetix?
17:05 <@Wilpig> running late.  i'm outta here
17:05 <@RangerZ> which was amusing, but not good security, lol
17:24 < NotLarry> wow, I had forgotten how unfriendly mainframe connections were.
17:32 < NotLarry> I have people showing me my "new" mainframe interface.  I'm asking "so, what can I fuck up from here?" That seems like the first thing they should be telling me right?  What not to do?
17:44 <@Mirage> NotLarry: esp if they knew you.
17:53 <@rattle> This whole heartbleed thing is the future ...
17:53 <@RangerZ> "do not do rm -rf /"
17:53 <@rattle> ? of emo style naming for vulnerabilities.
17:55 <@RangerZ> i'm actually in favor of naming big bugs like this
17:55 <@RangerZ> allows you to have a common vernacular for PHBs saying "X is a problem"
18:10 <@Dagmar> Just when you thought things couldn't get ugly enough
18:10 <@Dagmar> http://rgxg.sourceforge.net/
18:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: rgxg - ReGular eXpression Generator (at rgxg.sourceforge.net)
18:10 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: WTF does your department do about ITAR-restricted visitors hitting your website?
18:11 <@Bahhumbug> Buries its head in the sand.
18:11 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: I'd be checking the calendar.  Mainframes?  Still?  Really?
18:11 <@Bahhumbug> Like everyone else on the planet?
18:11 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: One of our departments has been saddled with this obligation
18:11 <@Dagmar> I'm going to make them cough up the name of a specific person making this fucking requirement.
18:12 <@Dagmar> There is literally NO solution that I can find thus far that's not going to be hideous, in part because this shit is going through the LTMs.
18:12 <@Bahhumbug> You can't do anything about it.  It's not up to YOU it's up to the CONSUMER of the material.
18:12 <@Dagmar> I donn't have any choice but to use RewriteCond statements.  Three or four thousand ought to do it.
18:12 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: nothing
18:12 <@RangerZ> we don't host itar on a public website
18:12 <@Dagmar> This is why I want the name of a specific motherfucker to lean on
18:13 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Damn you people.
18:13 <@Dagmar> hehe
18:13 <@RangerZ> we're not fucking stupid
18:13 <@Dagmar> lol
18:13 <@RangerZ> thats 3~7 years in jail, PER incident
18:13 <@RangerZ> ./cite{TNstateProf}
18:13 <@Dagmar> Well, it hasn't slowed me down much has it
18:13 <@Bahhumbug> Every company pretends ITAR doesn't exist and just ignores it.  Even companies like Red Hat that do publish guidelines of who can and can't consume their materials doesn't do anything else than say you can't.  They don't in any way restrict it.
18:14 <@RangerZ> you can do the putty method
18:14 <@RangerZ> and say "don't download this if you are from X,y,z,a,b,c,"
18:14 <@Dagmar> I think that may be what I'm going to tell these people, but I suspect someone was just throwinng this ITAR shit up as a "wouldnt it be nice if we could make this someone else's problem" kind of thing
18:14 <@Dagmar> I am not their bitch
18:14 <@RangerZ> but really, there should be an air gap on any itar material
18:15 <@Dagmar> These people take orders for shit
18:15 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I'm thinking it's up to them to check the damn list before they ship shit.
18:15 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: fuck that, ISIS builds entire suites that are ITAR certified
18:15 <@Dagmar> Anyway, fuck it.  It's time for some goddamn coffee.
18:16  * Dagmar disappears in a puff of sulfurous smoke.
18:16 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: VEC should tell you what to do
18:17 <@RangerZ> Vanderbilt has an "export control" office
18:17 <@RangerZ> just email them and ask
18:17 <@RangerZ> make it an 'all innocent' email, and start shit rolling downhill
18:17 <@RangerZ> lol
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> It boils down to "bury your head in the sand and forget about it".  The onus remains on the consumer and not the exporter.
18:29 <@RangerZ> umm no
18:29 <@RangerZ> not with itar
18:29 <@RangerZ> other way around
18:31 <@aestetix> big long hairy
18:32 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Legally, perhaps.  Not in reality.  There is no real way for most businesses to block ITAR content.
18:32 <@Bahhumbug> You can cry air gap if you want, that doesn't work in practice.
18:33 <@RangerZ> yeah
18:33 <@RangerZ> but ITAR firewall is fine too
18:33 < NotLarry> W-185852A397-0107089304924805012546615563040822011747021130700226
18:33 <@RangerZ> but ehh
18:33 <@RangerZ> http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/04/08/2047253/comcast-takes-2014-prize-for-worst-company-in-america
18:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comcast Takes 2014 Prize For Worst Company In America - Slashdot (at news.slashdot.org)
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> What is an "ITAR firewall"?
18:34 <@RangerZ> segregated itar network
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> And that works... how?
18:34 <@RangerZ> ehh
18:34 <@RangerZ> not my problem
18:34 <@RangerZ> i just use it, not maintain it
18:35  * Bahhumbug shrugs
18:35 <@Bahhumbug> Than it's not relevant.
18:35 <@RangerZ> ehh, which is why I didn't say 'follow my guidance', i said 'contact [export control]' and be done of it
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> When someone can explain to me how, say, Red Hat, can prevent a student here in the US on a student visa from Iran download Fedora and bring it back to Iran I will consider it an issue.
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> Because in reality... it's not possible.
18:36 <@RangerZ> you're talking about 'open' software and other stuff
18:36 <@RangerZ> I'm not
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18:36 <@Bahhumbug> No.  I am talking about ITAR.
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> Crypto is covered by ITAR.
18:37 <@RangerZ> so are cotton balls
18:37 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, true :)
18:37 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks for the chuckle :)
18:43 <@aestetix> god
18:43 <@aestetix> finally finished updating the last ssl cert
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19:10 <@RangerZ> anyone have an irc/xdcc client they prefer ?
19:10 <@RangerZ> been using pidgin, but it really doesn't have the options I want
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19:15 <@brimstone> weechat 4 lyfe
19:15 <@Dickie> seconded
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19:22 <@Bahhumbug> kvirc
19:24 <@RangerZ> why you say that brimstone Dickie?
19:25 <@brimstone> i think that since irc is primarily a monospaced text only presentation, why not have it in the best monospaced text only presenter?
19:25 <@brimstone> plus, i can run it in screen/tmux
19:25 <@RangerZ> I used to use mirc a lot, and it had nice features, but I never wanted to pay for it, and I kinda just stopped using it when I went to linux desktop years ago
19:25 <@brimstone> also, weechat has prettier colors than irssi
19:25 <@RangerZ> ok, I'll check it out at some point
19:27 <@Dickie> customizability
19:27 <@Dickie> also
19:27 <@Dickie> COLORS
19:28 <@RangerZ> I like pidgin for chat still, also finch/screen
19:28 <@RangerZ> but we'll see
19:29 <@brimstone> i use weechat/bitlbee/tmux
19:29 <@brimstone> i got me my ircs, my twitters and my gtalks all in the same interface
19:29 <@brimstone> Single Pane Of Chat
19:29 <@Dickie> I can IRC from putty
19:30 <@Dickie> or other terminal emulators
19:30 <@Dickie> Which is super bitchin
19:33 <@brimstone> word
19:34 <@RangerZ> yeah
19:35 <@RangerZ> finch is pidgin's command line interface (same libpurple backend)
19:35 <@RangerZ> and it screens nicely too, and handles a lot of that, (not sure about twitter/gtalk(anymore))
19:36 <@RangerZ> and it has nice plugins, just not 'enough' customization  for me at this point
19:36 <@brimstone> there's a libpurple build of bitlbee
19:36 <@brimstone> if you're into that kinda thing
19:36 <@RangerZ> 'ehh'
19:37 <@RangerZ> I have just been using pidgin forever b/c I've been using pidgin forever
19:37 <@RangerZ> lol
19:38 <@RangerZ> since (w/e it was called... that plugged into the official AIM client and stopped it from being sucky) (might have been 'Waim' or something) died... and then I went to pidgin to handle msn/yahoo/aim all at the same time
19:39 <@RangerZ> I have just been lazy and used what I had known, and not really cared, lol... :/
19:41 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: kvirc is just like mirc except it doesn't suck and it's not payware.  There is even an mirc skin for it.
19:44 <@RangerZ> I'm familiar with mirc, but it doesn't have to mirc'y, I'm fine with just text also or it having choice of ssh/ui, etc
19:45 <@RangerZ> personally I'd love for a client to have a detachable/attachable UI to a core text based client
19:45 <@RangerZ> but that is more of a 'that would be cool' thing, rather than if I'd actually use it, lol
19:51 <@Bahhumbug> If you just want text irssi is still (in my opinion) the best text client out there.
19:52 <@RangerZ> want good xdcc support too
19:53 <@Bahhumbug> There are lots of scripts to do it.  I stopped doing xdcc back in the 90s, however.
19:54 <@RangerZ> yeah, anime is still done via that a lot
19:54 <@Bahhumbug> So there may well be clients that specialize in that type of functionality.
19:55 <@RangerZ> though honestly, i'm debating working on the torrentCDN I started, and finishing it up, and then possibly a pub/sub mechanism into it
19:55 <@RangerZ> via irc login or *shrugs*
19:55 <@RangerZ> who knows
19:56 <@brimstone> or you could just use weechat
19:56 <@RangerZ> stop it
19:56 <@RangerZ> what have we told you about logic
19:56 <@brimstone> early and often
19:56 <@RangerZ> lol
19:57 <@RangerZ> so a PN related, but directed at PN question
19:58 <@RangerZ> is there a site that tracks attendance of cons ?
19:58 <@RangerZ> I'm wondering if consolidation is going on b/c people can't afford to go to many, so they just pick 1~2 big ones a year
19:59 <@brimstone> there's lanyard.com
19:59 <@brimstone> i think
20:00 <@brimstone> there's @hackercons on twitter, but they don't track attendance
20:01 <@RangerZ> honestly didn't think there would be
20:01 <@RangerZ> b/c cons with low attendance wouldn't want to say so
20:23 <@RangerZ> omg... [Gohmert oddly responded: “The attorney general will not cast aspersions on my asparagus.”]
20:23 <@RangerZ> *twitch*
20:23 <@RangerZ> I'm fine with someone having a speech impediment , or something
20:23 <@RangerZ> but he's so fucking stupid
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21:48 <@oddball> I'm guessing this is of interest to folks here: http://gawker.com/topless-florida-woman-wrecks-mcdonalds-pauses-to-guzzl-1560811384
21:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Topless Florida Woman Wrecks McDonalds, Pauses to Guzzle Ice Cream (at gawker.com)
21:48 <@oddball> And yes... there's video
22:04 <@Dagmar>  wtf
22:06 <@Wilpig> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=456_1396780871
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22:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: LiveLeak.com - Topless chick goes crazy in Mcdonalds (at www.liveleak.com)
22:06 <@Wilpig> the liveleak video made me lol
22:06 <@oddball> Yeah... the video was embedded in my link.
22:06 <@oddball> Dagmar: I'm thinking... drugs.  Just a wild guess.
22:06 <@Wilpig> the youtube was censored wasn't it?
22:07 <@oddball> The tits were fuzzy.
22:07 <@oddball> So, yes.
22:08 <@Dagmar> People shouldn't smoke potpourri
22:11 <@Bahhumbug> But it smells SO good.
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22:45 <@Dagmar> You can watch it uncensored on liveleak
22:49 < NotLarry> Wow, a windows admin tried to throw "the NOC" (his quotes, not mine) under the bus today.  Turns out the windows team broke on call and didn't think to tell "the NOC."
22:51 < NotLarry> I wonder if he understands how often and how easily he could be mistakenly called in the middle of the night?
22:51 < NotLarry> "Sorry, I dialed the wrong on call, won't happen again."
22:52 <@oddball> heh
22:53 <@oddball> Oh, how's the new guy working out?
22:58 < NotLarry> I did not realize we were hireing from the goodwill pool.
22:58 <@oddball> oh dear
22:58 <@aestetix> ok so
22:58 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: do you ever shave your ass hair
22:58 < NotLarry> I must say this for him, he makes Ben look like Wilbur.
22:58 < NotLarry> been waiting all day for that question to come back.
22:59 <@oddball> Is Ben the house plant?
22:59 < NotLarry> roger roger
22:59 <@oddball> oh dear
22:59 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Nope
22:59  * oddball is now further upset that HR lost his application... twice.
22:59 < NotLarry> Wife woke me up last thursday with two black eyes and said "I need you to take me to the emergency room."  I was all fuck that.
23:00 <@oddball> Yeah.... that's a "go directly to jail" scenario.
23:01 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: ever fucked a guy with a shaved ass?
23:01 < NotLarry> wtf?
23:01 <@oddball> https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/1511739_625498597532395_1709435327315268720_n.jpg
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23:01 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: How would I know?
23:01 < NotLarry> lol
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23:02 <@aestetix> I assume that his ass would be covred with hair if not
23:02 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: btw that was an interesting conference
23:03 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: You need to see a few more guys with their clothes off.  Not every guy looks like a gorilla when naked.
23:03 < NotLarry> ok, we are cross training.  The guy helping me with mainframe is telling me to put a copy of the program I fucking found, downloaded, installed and configured to connect to the mainframe on my desktop.  He seemed offended when I told him I never saw my desktop.
23:03 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: do you like to fuck guys when they are face up or face down?
23:03 <@Corydon76-home> In fact, if you look like a gorilla when naked, I retract all my previous offers to have sex with you.
23:03 <@Dagmar> lol
23:03 <@aestetix> When did you offer to have sex with me?
23:03 <@Dagmar> IT'S A TRAP
23:03 <@aestetix> Are you sure that wasn't to Dagmar?
23:03 < NotLarry> He was talking to me.
23:04 < NotLarry> Thanks for fucking that up for me aestetix.
23:04 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: You really should ask him whether the Smithsonian is going to be upset when they find out the mainframe is missing
23:04 < NotLarry> that is one more guy I'm gonna have to fuck with my vote instead of my cock, way to help the cause aestetix!
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23:05 < NotLarry> *sigh*
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23:05 < NotLarry> I am really not having fun with these people...
23:06 <@aestetix> NotLarry: when you fuck a guy, do you prefer him to be face up or face down?
23:06 < NotLarry> aestetix: I really don't have a preference.
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23:06 < NotLarry> SuMo_D: stop that.
23:06 <@SuMo_D> I stop nothing
23:07 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: that was an interesting conference
23:07 <@oddball> Wait... the data center has a mainframe now?  I thought you guys finally got rid of the old shit when that one prof died and you could finally retire the VAX.
23:08 <@SuMo_D> oh oh oh! how was it aestetix
23:08 <@SuMo_D> that's right that was this last weekend
23:08 <@aestetix> it was not bad
23:08 <@SuMo_D> interesting good?
23:08 <@aestetix> I now have a faculty contact
23:08 <@SuMo_D> ok... not bad...
23:08 <@SuMo_D> that's not bad
23:08 <@SuMo_D> lol
23:08 <@aestetix> well it was different
23:09 <@aestetix> I'm not used to academics, so I can't say good or bad
23:09 <@SuMo_D> ha
23:09 <@SuMo_D> yeah...
23:09 <@aestetix> I enjoyed it though
23:09 <@SuMo_D> good!
23:09 <@SuMo_D> they're not really normal academics either...
23:09 <@SuMo_D> did you get good questions?
23:10 <@aestetix> ehhhh
23:10 <@SuMo_D> awwwww
23:10 <@aestetix> Well, yes. But they were not new to me.
23:10 <@aestetix> The questions, that is.
23:10 <@SuMo_D> well... you got a new notion in their heads...
23:11 <@aestetix> yes!
23:11 <@SuMo_D> did you go to other talks?
23:11 <@aestetix> a few
23:11 <@SuMo_D> anything interesting?
23:11 <@aestetix> btw http://craphound.com/gilmoreongmail.html this is fucked up
23:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: GIlmore on Gmail ToS (at craphound.com)
23:12 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: give me a few. I'm still looking at this thing about Google's ToS :)
23:12 <@aestetix> Short version: I'm happy I went, I learned a lot, and it's a stepping stone to more conferences :)
23:12 <@SuMo_D> :D
23:12 <@SuMo_D> I'm really happy to hear that
23:13 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Except that's pretty par for online services
23:13 <@aestetix> Dagmar: which says a lot about online services.
23:13 <@Dagmar> Yes, mainly that fuckers will sue for trumped up bullshit
23:13 <@Dagmar> He's being just dimwitted about part of it.
23:14 <@aestetix> I can't say whether the conference was good or not because I have nothing to compare it to.
23:14 <@Dagmar> "No human will read the content of your email in order to target such advertisements or other information without your consent, and no"
23:14 <@SuMo_D> well it wasn't a waste of your time so that = good in my head
23:14 <@Dagmar> This is PRECISELY becuase fuckwits were trying to sue Google over the fact that algorithms read your email to determine WTF ads to show
23:14 <@Dagmar> ...and they were trying to argue to the public that "OMG GOOGLE READS YOUR EMAIL"
23:15 <@SuMo_D> Did you ask about Rushkoff?
23:15 <@oddball> Dagmar: I thought it was a safe assumption that the owner of your email service may be reading your email.
23:16 <@Dagmar> "Government request" is there instead of "subpoena" or "judicial order" because the fucking NSA only makes "requests"
23:16 <@oddball> Have a problem with that?  Encrypt that shit and/or run your own server.
23:16 <@Dagmar> oddball: If paranoid fuckwits don't want to use Gmail they should go use something else and stop acting like the goddamn sky is falling
23:17 <@Dagmar> Google gets a LOT of motherfuckers trying to sue them
23:17 <@aestetix> nope
23:17 <@aestetix> Dagmar: I no longer use Gmail for precisely that reason.
23:17 <@Dagmar> That's fine
23:18 <@Dagmar> I can point to specific reasons for a lot of this shit tho
23:18 <@Dagmar> The "no automated processes" thing.
23:18 <@Dagmar> If they really and truly meant that, they wouldn't be doing POP
23:18 <@Dagmar> It's there ebcause of the fuckers who were using GMail as could storage
23:18 <@Dagmar> Rememebr those shitty apps?
23:19 <@Dagmar> s/could/cloud/
23:20 <@Dagmar> I can pretty much promise you that because of the lawsuits, they're going to ignore any mere "request" that doesn't pass muster with their legal team
23:21 <@Dagmar> Some of this other stuff is silly too
23:21 <@Dagmar> There's a thing sort of buried under the global access controls that will let you download all of your mail from Google at once
23:23 <@Dagmar> https://www.google.com/settings/takeout
23:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sign in - Google Accounts (at www.google.com)
23:23 <@Dagmar> Frankly a whole lot of Gilmore's fussing sounds like "get off my lawn you kids"
23:24 <@oddball> Oh, Dagmar, did you see that the CEO of OKCupid once donated money to a decidedly homophobic house representative?
23:24 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: oh also, I have at least another paper's worht of stuff
23:24 <@aestetix> to write that is
23:24 <@SuMo_D> awesome
23:24 <@aestetix> oddball: oh god are you serious?
23:24 <@aestetix> oddball: url?
23:24 <@oddball> http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/04/okcupid-ceo-donate-anti-gay-firefox
23:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: OkCupids CEO Donated to an Anti-Gay Campaign Once, Too | Mother Jones (at www.motherjones.com)
23:25 <@oddball> It's probably best for your sanity to not read the comments.
23:25 <@Dagmar> So... seeing as how they *do* allow you to bulk download all your stuff in an _efficient_ fashion, the takeaway is that "you will not use any robot, spider, other automated device, or manual process to monitor, cache, or copy any content from the Service." translates to "Don't do dumb shit with our servers."
23:25 <@Dagmar> Grabbing 4Gb of email one piece at a time would be decidedly stupid and computationally wasteful
23:26 <@RangerZ> and if nothing else, just take longer
23:27 <@Dagmar> oddball: That's fucking +gold+
23:27 <@RangerZ> oddball: thing is, he already replied about it, like any 'on top of it' CEO would have
23:28 <@oddball> RangerZ: Oh, has he?
23:28 <@oddball> Not that I give a shit, but...
23:28 <@RangerZ> plus it was the ranking member of the house committee on internet , so he basically admits, we were bribing him... mozilla's was just keeping shut
23:28 <@RangerZ> end of that article
23:28 <@RangerZ> the 'update'
23:29 <@Dagmar> Just the same... his answer is weasel-worded
23:29 <@oddball> Ah, when I loaded it, the update didn't appear.
23:29 <@RangerZ> ahh
23:30 <@Dagmar> ...and there's still the matter of at the root of this, in California it's actually _illegal_ to discriminate against someone based on their political donations.
23:31 <@RangerZ> fuck that
23:31 <@RangerZ> thats the POINT of making them public
23:31 <@Dagmar> Ah so that companies can fire people for donating to the campaign against prop 8?
23:31 <@oddball> By the same note, if it's ok to overlook one issue for others, how is it then not ok to overlook one issue when, from what I understand, Mozilla's CEO was not discriminating on the job and was doing a good job leading the company?
23:32 <@RangerZ> so you CAN discriminate against people/companies/etc you don't like (mind you not employees) but people in general
23:32 <@RangerZ> is it only 'employees' or is it just 'in general' ?
23:32 <@Dagmar> Employees
23:32 <@RangerZ> ahh, ok, thats reasonable
23:32 <@Dagmar> Mozilla couldn't say a thing to him about it
23:32 <@RangerZ> *shrugs*, he should be smart enough to not sue over it
23:33 <@RangerZ> b/c he'd just ruin his rep even more
23:33 <@RangerZ> b/c at this point he could go make a lot of money somewhere else
23:33 <@Dagmar> I still maintain there was nothing he could say about any of it
23:33 <@Dagmar> He was just as screwed over by irrational people as that idiot Don Imus was
23:34 <@oddball> yup
23:36 <@aestetix> I wonder when the next outrage will happen.
23:37 <@aestetix> On the plus side
23:37 <@aestetix> This is going to encourage elected representatives to allow the use of nyms
23:38 <@RangerZ> !seen dink
23:38 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ: I have not seen dink.
23:38 <@RangerZ> i thought that was the name he used
23:39 <@aestetix> I think the words "rational" and "bay area" are going through a divorce
23:39 <@RangerZ> aestetix: its not just bay area
23:39 <@RangerZ> bay area just has the 'problem' of having too many people with money
23:39 <@RangerZ> and everyone else being paycheck to paycheck
23:40 <@RangerZ> I had to laugh that my friend makes 44k out there
23:40 <@aestetix> So what happens if I buy a soda from a corner store that it turns out is a front for the mafia
23:40 <@RangerZ> and I have a nicer apt and a car here and she has neither there
23:40 <@aestetix> Am I now supporting the mob?
23:40 <@RangerZ> no
23:41 <@aestetix> 44k in the bay area?
23:41 <@aestetix> that's like.... poverty line
23:41 <@RangerZ> unless you know so beforehand, because you did a 'proper' transaction with the store
23:41 <@oddball> !seen jonnyX
23:41 <@GateKeeper> oddball: jonnyX was last seen in #se2600 28 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <jonnyx> Educational in either event.
23:41 <@aestetix> So what if the corner store near my house is run by a guy who is anti-gay, but I don't care because the next store is two blocks away
23:41 <@RangerZ> why would the president of the group that meets here, ever come in here?
23:41 <@Dagmar> aestetix: You've probably bought drinks at a bar that was a front for crime
23:42 <@oddball> RangerZ: no damn clue.
23:42 <@aestetix> and also wtf does being anti-gay have to do with running a corner store
23:42 <@oddball> aestetix: terror
23:42 <@RangerZ> aestetix: whats the point?
23:42 <@RangerZ> stop being a terrorist
23:42 <@aestetix> RangerZ: that's the natural extension of the logic with that okcupid ceo
23:42 <@aestetix> lol
23:42 <@Dagmar> Islamic terrorists running bodegas.
23:42 <@Dagmar> Except they'
23:42 <@Dagmar> ll still sell you a soda.
23:42 <@Dagmar> ...and some malt liquor.
23:42 <@RangerZ> aestetix: actually its not, b/c you already put you 'reason' in there "you were lazy"
23:43 <@oddball> Have you seen the movie Postal?
23:43 <@Dagmar> 'God Bless America' is more fun
23:43 <@Dagmar> It's a goddamn inspirational film.
23:43 <@RangerZ> if there were two stores next to each other, and both the same price/etc , choosing to go to the mozilla shop, instead of opera/chrome/etc then thats a fair comparison
23:44 <@oddball> Dagmar: For some reason, I thought you'd like that film. :p
23:44 <@aestetix> how about I use firefox because chrome is run by Google and I fucking hate Google
23:44 <@RangerZ> opera?
23:44 <@Dagmar> oddball: I'm looking forward to The Purge 2.
23:44 <@aestetix> RangerZ: it's not 2002 anymore
23:44 <@Dagmar> oddball: hopefully this time the lead wont' be a _pussy_
23:44 <@aestetix> RangerZ: am I expected to change my technology because news about some employee comes out, that is unrealted to functionality?
23:45 <@aestetix> I mean I don't think there's part of the Firefox installation agreement that says "I agree to oppose gay rights"
23:45 <@oddball> At least I shouldn't be able to complain that the lead was a dumbass and didn't properly prepare beyond not getting home before curfew.
23:45 <@Dagmar> The very fucking moment I saw some blonde headed twit in a fancy school jacket on my doorstep saying I should turn over someone who was wearing dogtags to be murdered because he was black and less than human... I would *absolutely* have a deep and abiding desire to Purge.
23:46 <@Dagmar> oddball: There is that, but that he had that box of beutiful weapons and didn't say "You know what?  It's time to shoot some people" and go grab them... *sheesh*
23:46 <@oddball> Especially when he then threatened my self and my family over the guy?  Yeah...
23:46 <@aestetix> RangerZ: also, what someone does in their personal life is their business.
23:46 < NotLarry> Seriously, this guy just started snoring
23:46 <@RangerZ> ohh, and Captain America 2 was actually really good, some very good non-bs storylines in it
23:47 <@Dagmar> I would literally have been setting up a turkey shoot by passing out guns to _everyone_ inside the house, and then flinging the doors wide open and yelling "COME ON IN"
23:47 < NotLarry> RangerZ: did you see enemy?
23:47 <@oddball> Dagmar: I still say weapon selection fail.  Especially the shotgun with that stupid chainsaw handle pump on it.
23:47 <@RangerZ> NotLarry: not yet
23:47 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: You need some video that looks like nuclear cloud footage on CNN and a complete disregard for his mental state
23:47 <@aestetix> penis
23:47 <@RangerZ> saw a review, its "funkyYYYyyYY" to say the least
23:48 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: If you put that shit on all the screen and then yelled "OH MY GOD" and woke him up...
23:48 <@Dagmar> Well, you'd probably want to disable the netcams first
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> hahahahaha
23:53 <@aestetix> Ok, time for another fill in the blank game
23:53 <@aestetix> "Corydon wants to ______ Dagmar's _____"
23:53 <@Bahhumbug> borrow his scooter?
23:53 <@aestetix> oh my
23:53 <@aestetix> Does Dagmar have a large scooter?
23:54 <@RangerZ> meet Dagmar's new girl
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> "new girl" doesn't fit.
23:54 <@Dagmar> If you thought Margaret was scary
23:54 <@Dagmar> You've NO idea what this girl could do
23:54 <@aestetix> you mean Anarchival?
23:54 <@Dagmar> Hell no
23:55 <@Dagmar> REmind me to beat the crap out of you for suggesting that
23:55 <@RangerZ> you mean when anarchival confuses her with one of your ex's and she pays the price?
23:55 <@aestetix> Dagmar: I thought you had a crush on her
23:55 <@aestetix> Or maybe she had the crush on you
23:55 <@Dagmar> You really intend to say this shit and come to Phreaknic?
23:56 <@Dagmar> ...and even continue living in the Bay area?
23:56 <@aestetix> heh
23:57 <@RangerZ> ohh pax east is this weekend, didn't realize that
23:59 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar - she admitted to having a crush on you.
23:59 <@Dagmar> *shudder*
23:59 <@Bahhumbug> And then something about "And then he opened his mouth."
23:59 <@Bahhumbug> Typican cuntspeak.
23:59 <@Bahhumbug> Typical, even
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