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00:00 <@Dagmar> Replace the entire set of legal principles surrounding it with 'civil unions' and tell people to stop arguing
00:00 <@Corydon76-home> Did the ancient Greeks get married?  Tell me how worship of their gods came into marriage ceremonies?
00:00 <@Dagmar> The ancient greeks were a long ways away from the middle ages.
00:00 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, but the ancient Greeks had marriage, and it was NOT a religious instituion
00:01 <@Dagmar> ...and to be perfectly honest, _forcing_ the religious people to accept the definition of marriage as anyone+anyone wasn't going to work.
00:01 <@Corydon76-home> It's not anyone+anyone
00:01 <@Dagmar> We're not sending pairs of guys into battle anymore either.
00:01 <@Corydon76-home> Siblings are still prohibited from marriage
00:02 <@Dagmar> To greater or lesser degrees, yeah, and for a pretty specific reason--even if it's primarily just because it's 'taboo'
00:02 <@Corydon76-home> It's taboo because it leads to greater birth defects and mental retardation
00:04 <@Corydon76-home> Also, if marriage is solely under religion, that would mean that atheists cannot get married.
00:05 <@Dagmar> ...and I'll point out that anyone who wants to can get married by a judge.
00:05 <@Corydon76-home> And a judge is not a religious leader.  Hence, civil institution
00:05 <@Dagmar> So clearly, this tie in to _law_ is not, strictly speaking, marriage or religious.
00:06 <@Dagmar> A 'civil union' is much more apt.
00:06 <@Corydon76-home> You do realize you're advocating for "separate but equal", right?
00:06 <@Dagmar> No, I am not.
00:06 <@Dagmar> I rather explicitly was arguing something _else_ entirely up above.  Scroll up.
00:07 <@Dagmar> I'm flat out arguing that marriage should _not_ be enshrined into law.
00:07 <@Corydon76-home> Ah.  You're arguing for an ideal that is not based in reality.  Carry on in your fantasy.
00:08 <@Dagmar> See, this is the reason no one can have a fucking reasonable discussion about it.
00:08 <@Dagmar> Things degenerate to insults with a quickness.
00:08 <@Corydon76-home> Neither extreme of the two sides is going to accept your "compromise"
00:08 <@Dagmar> Hence vut the baby in half and move on
00:09 <@Dagmar> s/vut/cut/
00:09 <@Corydon76-home> Marriage advocates don't want a separate institution; they want marriage.  Marriage foes don't want ANY legal recognition of same sex relationships.
00:09 <@Dagmar> ...and with that attitude, no one's going to get anywhere.
00:09 <@Corydon76-home> In seeking to satisfy both sides, you satisfy neither
00:09 <@Dagmar> Do you have a clue what I'm referring to about cutting the baby in half?
00:10 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, marriage advocates are getting somewhere.
00:10 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, but as I said, you're asking to make a compromise that neither side will be satisfied with, and since you aren't a party to the litigation, there's no reason for a judge to pay your argument any attention.
00:11 <@Dagmar> They're not going to compromise.
00:11 <@Dagmar> This argument willl go on until a whole bunch of people have died from old age
00:11 <@Corydon76-home> Correct.  But the law is on the side of the marriage advocates.
00:11 <@Dagmar> ...which is why we need to _change_ the law.
00:12 <@Corydon76-home> Why would legislators seek to satisfy exactly nobody?  That's not a winning formula for winning reelection.
00:12 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, wait, they'd satisfy you.
00:12 <@Dagmar> If the argument about "marriage" being between a man and a woman only is going to go on forever, then to hell with it.  The law doesn't need to enforce a _religious doctrine_.
00:12 <@RangerZ> about the mozilla thing
00:13 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Because in about 200 more years or so, this is where it's going to be.
00:13 <@Corydon76-home> It's not.  It's enforcing a secular institution called marriage.
00:13 <@Dagmar> This argument will _never_ end
00:13 <@Corydon76-home> It pretty much already has.
00:13 <@RangerZ> I honestly think that its just a tipping point issue, public has said 'fuck it, its over , gays have rights', so quickly that most people who don't know what to do, are just caught flat footed
00:13 <@Corydon76-home> The premier organization opposing same sex marriage admitted last week that the cause is lost.
00:13 <@RangerZ> b/c there aren't _more_ gays
00:13 <@Dagmar> Motherfuckers decided 500 years ago that some pamphlets a bunch of hucksters brought back under extreme diress was the 'word of god'.
00:13 <@RangerZ> other than aestetix
00:13 <@Dagmar> Clearly they are capable of sticking to stupid conclusions for _hundreds of years_
00:14 <@Dagmar> s/diress/duress/
00:14 <@RangerZ> leave Joseph Smith alone
00:14 <@RangerZ> he saw golden tablets
00:14 <@Dagmar> Hell, I'm not talking about Joseph Smith, I'm talking about the New Testament.
00:14 <@Corydon76-home> That would be 1700 years ago
00:14 <@Dagmar> King James very literally threatened to cut off a bunch of people's heads if they didn't bring him a bible he could use.
00:14 <@Corydon76-home> 313 AD, Council of Nicene
00:15 <@Dagmar> Well, congratulations it's 11:13 and I don't give a fuck if it was 10,000 years ago
00:15 <@Dagmar> These idiots have stuck with it for longer than our natural lifespans
00:15 <@Dagmar> Multiple natural lifespans
00:15 <@Corydon76-home> So your point is that we should give in to idiots?
00:16 <@Dagmar> No, my point is we should tell the idiots to piss off and that we're not going with their definition or with the word they use anymore
00:16 <@Corydon76-home> That's pretty much what is happening in the courts
00:16 <@RangerZ> “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”
00:16 <@Dagmar> If they want to have their "marriages" their way, they can have it their way
00:16 <@Dagmar> If some churches want to marry gay people, great.  Good for them.  It's some progress.
00:17 <@RangerZ> once the scientific revolution started, churches started to lose
00:17 <@Dagmar> It's perfectly fucking useless to get the courts involved in it anymore
00:17 <@Dagmar> 200 years from now churches will almost _certainly_ be seen as a primitive throwback
00:17 <@RangerZ> we need the 28th amendment
00:17 <@RangerZ> corp. are NOT people, and public financing
00:18 <@RangerZ> http://www.wolf-pac.com/
00:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Wolf PAC (at www.wolf-pac.com)
00:18 <@RangerZ> the only really overt political thing I'm actually in favor of right now
00:21 <@Dagmar> Damn.
00:21 <@Corydon76-home> Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.  --Pericles
00:21 <@Dagmar> I was hoping it had something to do with unleashing wolves on politicians.
00:21 <@Dagmar> Perhaps even dickwolves.
00:22 <@Dagmar> The first time an AI tries to get married, this shit's just going to start all over.
00:23 <@Dagmar> Count on it.
00:23 <@RangerZ> leave Wilpig out of this
00:23 <@RangerZ> thats just cruel
00:23 <@RangerZ> lol
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00:30 <@Dagmar> Soo... comcast apparently broke their fucking DNS servers
00:32 <@Dagmar> No wait, level 3 did
00:32 <@Dagmar> The 4.2.x.x servers are no longer responding to me and a few other people
00:33 <@Dagmar> IF this site works... http://pcsupport.about.com/od/tipstricks/a/free-public-dns-servers.htm
00:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Free & Public DNS Server List (Updated April 2014) (at pcsupport.about.com)
00:33 <@Dagmar> wrong chan
00:54 <@eryc> sometimes the 4.2 servers go away but they usually come back
00:58 <@RangerZ> hey Dagmar, you familiar with cgroups ?
01:00 <@RangerZ> or anyone really
01:05 <@Dagmar> What are cgroups?
01:05 <@Dagmar> Hmm... looks like container magic
01:05 <@Dagmar> Nope
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07:29 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:20 <@Bahhumbug> http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html
08:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: [RFC PATCH] cmdline: Hide "debug" from /proc/cmdline (at lkml.iu.edu)
08:20 <@Bahhumbug> Linus++
08:28 <@brimstone> what program are they talking about?
08:28 <@brimstone> systemd?
08:39 <@rattle> There are many things I don't like about systems.
08:40 <@rattle> systemd .. I think it's a sign that even auto spell check doesn't like it.
08:40 <@brimstone> it's a good sign, it's terrible to try to search for programs with common names
08:41 <@brimstone> like how to do anything with screen, or chef
08:49 <@Dagmar> https://medium.com/p/3c613ea188d7
08:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Brendan Eich, We’ve Failed You. I’m Sorry. — Medium (at medium.com)
08:58 <@Bahhumbug> brimstone: Fallout from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935#c11 really
08:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bug 76935 Do not parse "debug" command line parameter (at bugs.freedesktop.org)
08:58 <@Bahhumbug> Kay's as being of a douchebag as Lennart.
08:59 <@Bahhumbug> sigh, and my retardedness is off to a great start... s/as being/as much/
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09:51 <@benthemeek> aestetix: http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/04/03/2317257/whats-in-a-username-the-power-of-gamer-tags
09:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: What's In a Username? the Power of Gamer Tags - Slashdot (at games.slashdot.org)
09:52 <@Wilpig> benthemeek: he's either on the way to the airport or already there
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09:54 <@benthemeek> Ah
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10:12 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: You did see what Kay's initial 'I'm closing this' response was, right?
10:12 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: It's what got Theodore Ts'o commenting about it publicly, followed by Linus himself
10:15 <@Dagmar> Also, this is fairly condemning.  http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html
10:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: [RFC PATCH] cmdline: Hide "debug" from /proc/cmdline (at lkml.iu.edu)
10:15 <@Bahhumbug> Was that the "too many messages" one?
10:16 <@Bahhumbug> Yep - posted that one earlier.  For Linus that was actually quite reserved.
10:16 <@Bahhumbug> I was expecting much more of a tantrum.
10:16 <@Dagmar> No, that's the one where Linus says "I will no longer accept kernel patches/submissions from Kay until he stops being a tool"
10:17 <@Bahhumbug> Not that.  The initial "I'm closing this" response you mentioned.
10:18 <@Dagmar> No, Kay justified it with "Generic namespace belongs to no one, not just the first user"
10:18 <@Bahhumbug> Ahh, that.
10:18 <@Dagmar> Linus and Ts'o were pretty clear about "No, /proc/cmdline belongs to the kernel _first_ and is made available to userspace merely as a convenience"
10:18 <@Bahhumbug> Kay's an ass.  This is just making it more evident to a larger group of people.
10:18 <@Dagmar> Like, not only was Kay a dick, but he was 100% wrong
10:19 <@Bahhumbug> I love the ack'd patch that looks for commname of systemd.
10:20 <@Bahhumbug> I need a reason not to take a 3-day weekend.
10:20 <@Bahhumbug> And I can't find one.
10:21 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I don't think they realize the kernel devs could just render /proc/cmdline completely unreadable to systemd as well as block it's ability to write to dmesg
10:21 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: rm -rf /
10:21 <@Wilpig> gotta work now
10:22 <@Bahhumbug> Unless you have an alias that sets --preserve-root
10:22 <@Bahhumbug> Next.
10:23 <@Wilpig> dd if=/dev/zero of=/sda BS=1G COUNT=10
10:23 <@Wilpig> can't leave, must work.  some jerk zero'd drive
10:23 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, that won't be me.
10:24 <@Bahhumbug> I have some shit I can push off til Monday and a jesus call with developers and mgmt for one client that I don't give a shit about anyway as the developers are going to cry and not get what they want anyway.
10:24  * Bahhumbug takes the rest of the day off
10:24 <@Bahhumbug> Have fun at work, suckers.
10:25 <@Wilpig> I'm not working.  i'm headed into NYC to hang with aestetix
10:37 <@Bahhumbug> Penis?
10:37 <@Wilpig> heh
10:38 <@Wilpig> would you like me to pass along your regards?  haha
10:42 <@Bahhumbug> Nah, that's ok.
10:42 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks, though.
10:42  * Bahhumbug decides to go pick up downed branches.
10:42 <@Bahhumbug> Stupid storm.
10:42  * Bahhumbug &
10:43 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: if you cut down all the trees in advance, you won't have downed branches.
10:48 <@Dagmar> There we go.  One less friend of questionable judgment on FB.
10:49 <@Dagmar> Capone had the audacity to post a 'You're welcome' thing about Eich.
10:49 <@Dagmar> Fuck him.
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11:29 <@shapr> good morning?
11:29  * shapr wanders tiredly into the channel
11:29 <@shapr> I'm on my second cup of death wish coffee this morning.
11:29 < nachoguy> Urine and tears filtered through dried. ground excrement?
11:30 <@shapr> and blood
11:30 < nachoguy> I'm pretty sure that would make people wish for death
11:30 <@shapr> but no, I mean http://deathwishcoffee.com/
11:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: World's Strongest Coffee (at deathwishcoffee.com)
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11:51 <@eryc> shapr: i'
11:52 <@eryc> i'm drinking my first cup of deathwish
11:52 <@shapr> eryc: How do you like it?
11:53 <@eryc> i've been drinking it every day for months now
11:53 <@eryc> it's my favorite coffee
11:55 <@shapr> I love the taste, but I love the caffeine more
12:07 <@Wilpig> w00t!
12:07 <@Wilpig> tumblr is actively preparing to sue a known spammer
12:10 <@brimstone> neat
12:10  * brimstone leaks it to the news
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12:18 <@Wilpig> interesting.  apparently I get access to all the shit on lynda.com through yahoo for free
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12:22 <@Corydon76-home> Anybody in the Nashville area who does security / root kit analysis in here?
12:22 <@brimstone> what's lynda.com?
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12:27 <@Wilpig> tutorial site
12:27 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: we have had one that spoke at PN that you can contact.  Zymo ( erin shelton )
12:30 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: that works, thank you
12:31 <@Corydon76-home> Someone asked whether logs indicated a problem, and I pointed out that it's out of my area of expertise, so he asked for another PoC.
12:33 <@eryc> http://www.ebay.com/sch/babenotincluded/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
12:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: babenotincluded | eBay (at www.ebay.com)
12:34 <@Corydon76-home> I need to see one entitled "twinknotincluded"
12:54 <@Wilpig> https://internetweekny.com/page/techdigs
12:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Internet Week New York (at internetweekny.com)
12:54 <@Wilpig> you can see my boss playing xbox on that
13:06 <@Dagmar> FEAR!  FEAR!
13:06 <@Dagmar> http://www.oodaloop.com/osint/homelandsecurity/2014/04/03/google-ingress-game-players-subject-of-law-enforcement-fusion-center-alert/
13:09 <@Dagmar> http://thehackernews.com/2014/04/5-year-old-boy-discovers-microsoft-xbox.html
13:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: 5-year-old Boy discovers Microsoft Xbox Password Bypass vulnerability - The Hacker News (at thehackernews.com)
13:27 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: http://img.nux.ro/4TKm-fsckyousystemd.jpg
13:28 <@Bahhumbug> http://imgur.com/r/linux/RIdvuus
13:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: What Linus thinks of Kay Sievers - Imgur (at imgur.com)
13:38 <@Dagmar> Mirage: You guys are *next* lol http://imgur.com/r/linux/Is9vjRJ
13:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Lennart Poettering: "Systemd is about choice" - FreeBSD & Amiga ports coming ? - Imgur (at imgur.com)
13:45 <@Dagmar> Relataed http://imgur.com/r/linux/snrv4rF
13:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Kerbal Space Program documentation for Linux is a little sparse... - Imgur (at imgur.com)
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14:58 <@oddball> So... Any bets on whether or not there will be news that the contract was signed tonight?
15:02 <@brimstone> i bet $0 that it hasn't been signed
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15:35 <@Mirage> This missed up by ~.75 mi yesterday.. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2016846-tornado-approaching-double-a-baseball-game-creates-amazing-pictures
15:35 <@Mirage> er, missed us
15:41 <@Dagmar> If it *gets* signed tonight, I don't care.  Just as long as it's done.
15:42 <@Dagmar> I have a date at 8pm, but if I have to, I'm down for throwing Dru into a car and going directly to the hotel to get things signed if need be, so long as we're done by 8pm.
15:43 <@Dagmar> ANyone who attempts to interfere with my plans at 8pm will be used to provide new "leather" seat covers for my car.
15:48 <@brimstone> turning people into seat covers is a TON of work
15:48 <@brimstone> really chaps my hide
15:48 <@Dagmar> I'm willing to put in the effort
15:48 <@Dagmar> At least to test the pattern before I redo them with the roll of pleather I've got
15:49 <@Dagmar> This chick has been videocalling me
15:51 <@oddball> Dagmar: With that Ingress chick you were talking about the other day?
15:51 <@Dagmar> yeah
15:51 <@oddball> And yeah... I'm supposed to meet back up with Naienko and friends at 100 Oaks for Winter Soldier at 9:30.
15:51 <@oddball> Sweet.  Good luck.
15:52 <@Dagmar> Well, she's video chatting me.  I am pretty sure she likes me
15:52 <@Dagmar> Hilariously, she was just asking for my phone number last night
15:52 <@Dagmar> ...so she could get ahold of me when she's in town.
15:52 <@oddball> :D
15:53 <@Dagmar> I'm like "You realize you're worrying about the phone number of a guy you're just trivially video chatting to, right?"
15:53  * oddball waits for the psycho stalker ex to ruin things.
15:53 <@Dagmar> Fuck you
15:53 <@Dagmar> Don't even mention that
15:53 <@oddball> hehehe
15:58 <@Mirage> Lindsey would never do any such thing...
15:58 <@oddball> Watch her show up to the meeting.
15:59 <@Dagmar> That's okay.  I am not meeting Nadia at the meeting
16:00 <@Dagmar> I am, however, probably going to be meeting Cindy Franco at Corner Pub
16:00 <@Dagmar> Not a date, so I am not technically "double-booked"
16:02 <@Dagmar> Oh wow
16:02 <@Dagmar> http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/27/nintendo-terminating-wi-fi-service-for-ds-and-wii
16:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Nintendo Terminating Wi-fi Service For DS and Wii - IGN (at www.ign.com)
16:08 <@oddball> More reason to dislike online play.
16:09 <@Dagmar> Well, it means no more trading across basically any non-3DS Pokemon
16:09 <@oddball> aw... you will no longer be able to truly catch 'em all. :p
16:09 <@Dagmar> Yep.
16:09 <@Dagmar> The only saving grace there is that I wager the pokemon generator sites will *maybe* still work
16:10 <@Dagmar> I need to get on to utilizing one of those probably Sunday
16:10 <@Dagmar> You just change your DNS settings on the DS a little, go to the website, select your desired pokemon and stats, and it'll send them to you
16:11 <@Dagmar> ...and then I can punt them up into Pokemon Y using the new Pokemon bank
16:11 <@Dagmar> I will be getting my uknown back.
16:11 <@Dagmar> I am not particularly concerned about the rest
16:13 <@oddball> Of course, Nintendo has also decided to go with a friends list setup that is a bit paranoid for *me*.
16:15 <@Dagmar> Every time they don't they get burned.
16:15 <@Dagmar> You heard about SwapNote I'm sure
16:16 <@oddball> Not ringing a bell
16:16 <@Dagmar> They shut the damn thing down two days before I was going to throw a pile of miscellaneous things on the floor with a plaque reading 'JUNK' and take a picture of it
16:16 <@Dagmar> So like, SwapNote's functionality has been disabled.
16:16 <@Dagmar> VERY disabled.
16:16 <@Dagmar> it's one of hte built-in apps
16:17 <@oddball> ah
16:17 <@Dagmar> The idea was that you could scribble up semi-animated notes and send them to friends
16:17 <@Dagmar> You could also make them a 'streetpass' note
16:17 <@oddball> ohhh yeah....
16:17 <@oddball> I'm guessing there were animated dicks.
16:17 <@Dagmar> ...an as you used it more, more features would unlock, like color, and sound, and the ability to attach pictures
16:18 <@Dagmar> This went *way* beyond animated dicks.
16:18 <@Dagmar> Nintendo's announcement said that they were disabling it because people were using it to exchange FCs on forums and then send nastygrams to each other.
16:18 <@oddball> heh gotha
16:18 <@oddball> er gotcha
16:18 <@Dagmar> What was really going on was that people were taking pictures of their junk, attaching it to a note, and then setting tat as their streetpass note.
16:19 <@Dagmar> So... up to six random people would be treated to a 3D picture of sommeone's junk, all for the price of walking near a McDonalds
16:19 <@oddball> Because people are classy like that.
16:20 <@Dagmar> Considering how low res it was I thought it was kind of hilarious, which is why i was about to do a token 'junk' picture
16:20 <@Dagmar> A pile of actual junk
16:20 <@Dagmar> Can you imagine some parent hearing their kid say "Some weird guy sent me a picture of his junk"
16:21 <@Dagmar> ...except it's actually like, aluminum cans, scrap wire, and a couple of bricks.
16:21 <@Dagmar> ...and a little sign saying 'JUNK'.
16:23 <@oddball> Ok... I recently mainlined the Hellraiser series, and am now watching the Clone Wars.  I swear that the memory cube they're fighting over looks suspiciously like the puzzle box.
16:23 <@Dagmar> nope.  Just a fancy box.
16:24 <@oddball> Although... that would make an awesome crossover...
16:27 <@Dagmar> I _will_ be setting up a homepass relay at PN
16:27 <@oddball> oh god... the bad guy just asked Anikan to open the holocron, because he can't.  "open the box!"
16:28  * oddball wants to see Jedi vs Pinhead.
16:29 <@Dagmar> Seeing as how all those hooks just come out of the ether, as many as needed, my money's on Pinhead.
16:29 <@oddball> but it would be fun to watch.
16:30 <@oddball> Probably better than the actual "Pinhead in space" movie.
16:30 <@Dagmar> No, what happens "after" would be fun to watch
16:30 <@Dagmar> We so seldom got to see that
16:31 <@oddball> Jedi Cenobites?
16:32 <@Dagmar> Screaming.
16:32 <@Dagmar> Lots and lots of screaming.
16:33 <@oddball> ah, yes... that.
16:47 <@Dagmar> it really seemd like Pinhead had an especially empty place in his heart for other doctors
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17:57 <@Bahhumbug> Anyone got a fedora box handy?
18:01 <@oddball> Well, off to the meeting.
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19:12 <@oddball> oh, shit... contract is signed, and deposit given.
19:46  * brimstone wins for losing!
20:57 < notlarry> Started a league account, got to lvl 10, banned.
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22:32 <@Wilpig> oh I can't wait to see this contract.  2)  deposit?!
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