--- Log opened Thu Apr 03 00:00:19 2014 00:10 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 00:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 00:15 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, I love Wednesday evening storms, when you can't tell the difference between somebody rolling their garbage cart to the curb and rolling thunder. 00:15 <@Dagmar> I like that I can open the patio door without inviting the Yellow Menace into the apartment 00:16 <@Corydon76-home> The yellow menace? A cat? 00:19 <@Dagmar> POLLEN 00:22 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 00:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 00:26 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36 <@SuMo_D> Thinking of putting this in for the Defcon art contest https://www.flickr.com/photos/90777409@N02/13595802604/ 00:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Defcon22-1 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com) 00:36 <@SuMo_D> thoughts? 00:46 <@Dagmar> Maybe boost the contrast on the word Defcon but other than that I think you've got a pretty good shot already 00:46 <@Dagmar> Heh look what I found https://www.dnalounge.com/gallery/2001/08-10/22.html 00:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: DNA Lounge: d:CODE, 10 Aug 2001 (at www.dnalounge.com) 00:47 <@oddball> Dagmar: Looks like you had been dancing an aweful lot before that pic was taken... 00:52 * shapr sighs 00:52 <@Dagmar> About two hours I think 00:53 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 01:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:03 <@SuMo_D> yeah I was thinking DEFCON needed a bit more contrast 01:03 <@oddball> Well... shit. There's been another mass shooting in Ft. Hood. 4 dead (including the gunman) and 16 wounded. 01:04 <@SuMo_D> wasn't sure about the eyes... maybe a little less? 01:04 <@SuMo_D> awwww DNA lounge <3 01:10 <@SuMo_D> how about this https://www.flickr.com/photos/90777409@N02/13596209234/ 01:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Defcon22-2 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com) 01:12 <@SuMo_D> I miss Seattle... where there were so many more options for gas masks.... 01:13 <@SuMo_D> but yeah... this one is so much more functional... and I donno are resperators gas masks or are they separate categories? 01:13 <@oddball> Home Depot and the local army/navy store not working for you on that front? 01:14 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's much more legible 01:14 <@SuMo_D> there were 3 stores on our street in seattle that had gas masks of about 8 different styles... the goth scene is still very much alive there.... 01:14 <@SuMo_D> its kinda non-existent here :/ 01:14 <@SuMo_D> The theme is "behind the curtain" 01:15 <@SuMo_D> I think the fog stuff kinda alludes to a curtain? 01:18 <@SuMo_D> got till the 14th... was just playing around, if I have time maybe I'll make a few more. 01:20 <@SuMo_D> :) http://www.boredpanda.com/metal-cats-alexandra-crockett/ 01:28 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 01:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:33 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:07 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:11 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 03:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 04:16 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:21 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 05:07 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 05:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 05:12 <@RangerZ> lol @ topic 05:28 <@Shadow404> m$ goat simulator 05:28 <@Shadow404> tell me thats an april fools joke 05:28 <@Shadow404> or just a really bad choice to scrape the bottom of barrel 05:34 <@Bahhumbug> Nope. It's legit. 05:34 <@Bahhumbug> There was even a beta :) 05:34 -!- rhia [~rhia@173.85.105.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:16 <@RangerZ> nope, it was a tech demo that some company did, for ... something... 06:16 <@RangerZ> and it got leaked online outside who they meant it to go to , and it got viral 06:16 <@RangerZ> so they said 'well fuck it... we'll sell that shit.... if you're willing to pay' 06:16 <@RangerZ> LOL 06:32 <@aestetix> http://2600.com/?q=content/daniel-ellsberg-keynote-hope-x 06:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: DANIEL ELLSBERG TO KEYNOTE AT HOPE X | 2600 (at 2600.com) 06:32 <@aestetix> This one is real :) 06:39 <@RangerZ> https://github.com/id-Software/DOOM-3-BFG holy fuck... I didn't know idTech 4 was public and GPLd 06:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: id-Software/DOOM-3-BFG ยท GitHub (at github.com) 06:52 <@aestetix> RangerZ: gonna come to HOPE now? 07:54 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:22 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 09:16 <@Wilpig> anyone wanna take bets on whitey getting jumped at this show? http://www.axs.com/events/249751/george-clinton-parliament-funkadelic-tickets?skin=starland&src=AEGSTAR_ENEWSEWR040214AEG001 09:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: George Clinton & Parliament Funkadelic tickets in Sayreville at Starland Ballroom on Fri, Aug 22, 2014 - 7:00PM (at www.axs.com) 09:27 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING PEOPLES! 09:28 <@shapr> This is a great day for Death Wish Coffee! 09:28 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:28 * shapr cranks up the caffeine 09:30 <@shapr> https://twitter.com/sadserver/status/448498925859647490 09:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / sadserver: If you watch a movie of your ... (at twitter.com) 09:57 <@aestetix> Bahhumbug: you gonna come to HOPE? 10:00 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:24 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: NYC? 10:24 <@aestetix> Bahhumbug: yes 10:24 <@Bahhumbug> Actually, it's location doesn't matter. The answer is no. 10:24 <@aestetix> Bahhumbug: even with the keynote? 10:24 <@Bahhumbug> Then the answer is an even more resounding no. 10:24 <@shapr> What's the keynote? 10:24 <@aestetix> Daniel Ellsberg 10:26 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: In the event you've not detected it in the time I've been here... I'm not overly fond of my fellow man. I try to avoid large crowds these days because I have this strong urge to punch people in the throat. 10:26 <@aestetix> haha 10:26 <@Bahhumbug> And since the odds of someone deserving a throat punch go up considerably with the size of the crowd... it's just not a good thing. 10:27 <@shapr> What's wrong with punching people in the throat? 10:27 <@aestetix> Bahhumbug: if it helps at all, NYC is where Occupy started 10:27 <@Bahhumbug> Really... I'm too fucking old to go to jail. 10:27 <@Bahhumbug> NYC is on the "Don't Go There If Yuo Want To Stay Out Of Jail" list. 10:27 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing good can come of a visit to NY. 10:27 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing :) 10:28 <@brimstone> unlike Bahhumbug, I'm rather excited to visit NYC again 10:28 <@Bahhumbug> My wife would be _really_ put out with me if she got a call from the NYPD. 10:28 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: thx for that 10:28 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm? 10:30 <@aestetix> ugh 10:30 <@aestetix> The place I'm staying with.... they have the new Hofstader book 10:30 <@aestetix> Which seems to be yet another "I swear I can do more than GEB!" effot 10:46 <@shapr> What's this one about? 10:47 <@aestetix> Hofstadter masturbating to analogies 10:51 <@Wilpig> gotta love xkcd. they are damned creative sometimes 11:03 <@Dagmar> what the fuck 11:03 <@Dagmar> http://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cnames-at-a-domains-root 11:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root | CloudFlare Blog (at blog.cloudflare.com) 11:03 <@Dagmar> Isn't this the King Kong defense? 11:08 <@Bahhumbug> What could possibly go wrong? 11:08 <@Dagmar> I'm serious. 11:08 <@Dagmar> read the section "The inflexibility of DNS" 11:09 <@Bahhumbug> This: " in reality I don't like the idea of technical issues preventing us doing what we think is right." 11:09 <@Bahhumbug> Hi. Go fuck yourself. 11:09 <@Dagmar> Behold as it takes a big hit of something super-strong right as it transitions to "CNAMEs For the Win" 11:09 <@Bahhumbug> Everything about dns lately is pissing me off. 11:10 <@aestetix> oh that's funny 11:10 <@aestetix> Apparently my friend Alex Polvi is involved 11:10 <@Bahhumbug> New cTLDs; rampant dns abuse; the changes to whois; etc. 11:12 <@aestetix> Bahhumbug: everything about DNS until now wasn't pissing you off? 11:13 <@Bahhumbug> Not really. 11:14 <@Dagmar> This is truly insane 11:14 <@Bahhumbug> Things were fine until ARIN decided to fuck everything up for the almighty buck. 11:14 <@Dagmar> EVen their explanation doesn't really make sense 11:14 <@Bahhumbug> Go drop that in #bind and see what happens? 11:15 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: that's when the politicians got involved 11:19 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, no. This was nothing more than Curran and the board seeing dollar signs. Have you seen the cost of the new corporate TLDs? 11:19 <@Bahhumbug> $250k and you can get .rmsstench 11:19 <@Bahhumbug> or .arinsucks 11:20 <@Bahhumbug> And then you can try to get a browser to grok http://.arinsucks 11:20 <@Wilpig> the politicians got involved and decided that shit needed to be run by other folks, then the bullshit of corporate lobbiests were pulled into the mix through that channel and the money making scheme was born 11:20 <@Bahhumbug> That's going to go over really, really well. 11:20 <@Wilpig> the answer is clear. kill all politicians 11:21 <@Bahhumbug> The answer is clear: keep corporate interests (and yes, ARIN is a corporation) out of technical issues :) 11:21 <@Wilpig> see previous statement 11:21 <@Bahhumbug> But I'm fine with a mass culling as well. 11:21 * Wilpig hands out pitchforks 11:21 <@Bahhumbug> :D 11:25 <@aestetix> I still want .goatse 11:25 <@aestetix> Actually 11:25 <@aestetix> is .terrorist taken? 11:25 <@Wilpig> did they make .tix into one? 11:26 <@Corydon76-home> Bind needs an option to block entire TLDs 11:26 <@Dagmar> it has one 11:26 <@aestetix> what about .obama 11:26 <@aestetix> so you could have thanks.obama 11:27 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I know it has an option to block wildcards at the TLD level... didn't know about blocking entire TLDs, though 11:28 <@Dagmar> You just throw in a fake fucking zone and you're done. 11:28 <@Bahhumbug> ^ bingo 11:28 <@Dagmar> It's really that simple. 11:28 <@Bahhumbug> Hi. I am authoratative. No. You can't have that record. 11:29 <@Dagmar> More like "Yeah, oh I'm auth for .goatse and my zone is empty so have this nice NX response as a consolation prize. It'll be good for at least a week. Bai!" 11:29 <@aestetix> FUCK 11:29 <@aestetix> really 11:29 <@Bahhumbug> heh 11:29 <@aestetix> the music they are playing on this IDESG webcast 11:29 <@aestetix> between talks 11:30 <@aestetix> is bad country music 11:30 <@Bahhumbug> Bieber? 11:30 <@Dagmar> "Every breath you take..." 11:30 <@aestetix> I may issue a complaint 11:30 <@EnabrinTain> WE NEED MOAR GUN CONTROLL 11:30 * EnabrinTain arme babby 11:30 * EnabrinTain goes back to lurking 11:32 <@aestetix> you know 11:32 <@aestetix> I would give out my ccount so all of you could log into the IDESG webcast 11:32 <@aestetix> but god it is so boring 11:33 <@Corydon76-home> I'm not sure what the right answer to gun violence is, but it doesn't start with the concept of "everybody is a rational creature" 11:33 <@Bahhumbug> Arm everyone. Wait a year. Things will be nice and peaceful from that point on. 11:33 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: I'm a fan of giving everyone a gun. 11:34 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.150.148.247] has joined #se2600 11:34 <@Corydon76-home> Only thing that will do is make shootings so commonplace that it will no longer be news. 11:35 <@Corydon76-home> Think about giving a 14yo girl who is overloaded with emotion a gun. Yeah, think about that for a second. 11:35 * Bahhumbug hands out a gun 11:36 <@Bahhumbug> If _everyone_ was armed she wouldn't do anything except perhaps kill herself. 11:36 <@Corydon76-home> You're thinking rationally 11:36 <@Corydon76-home> That's the mistake 11:36 <@EnabrinTain> this is how we kickstart human evolution 11:36 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Which is why violent crime has gone down over the past 30 years while gun ownership has gone up? 11:37 <@Bahhumbug> There is a comparison of Houston and Chicago. The numbers are simply ridiculous. 11:37 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Crime of every kind has gone down over the last 30 years, starting exactly 18 years after abortion became legal 11:37 <@oddball> And, for the record, Fort Hood is one big gun free zone unless you're on duty and that duty requires it. 11:38 <@Corydon76-home> Desperate people no longer being forced to have kids, means less kids growing up to be desperate. What a concept! 11:38 <@Bahhumbug> Chicago, until recently, had no legal handguns by citizens and no gun shops in city limits. Houston had a bazllion gun shops, lots of people with conceal/carry, and Chicago had like 50x the amount of homicides. 11:38 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Amazing how someone managed to get multiple guns into a gun free zone. 11:39 <@oddball> Maybe it's because those signs don't do a god damn thing if the person is willing to break the law? 11:39 * EnabrinTain installs Harkonen Heart Plugs in everyone 11:40 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: I haven't read anything about the shooting since last night. Are they now saying that he had more than the one pistol? 11:40 <@Corydon76-home> _Everybody_ is willing to break the law. This idea of there only being lawbreakers and respect for the law is a fallacy of false dichotomy 11:40 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: yep, he shot himself with a small firearm 11:41 <@Bahhumbug> What a waste. 11:41 <@oddball> "small firearm" does not equal pistol? 11:41 <@Bahhumbug> Now we can't torture the SOB for a few months. 11:41 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: the reports were that he drew a separate weapon for suicide 11:41 <@oddball> I knew it followed the usual pattern of "shoot up unarmed populace until armed response shows up, then kill self." 11:42 <@Corydon76-home> Since the MP had the drop on him for his primary 11:42 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Ah, ok. 11:43 <@aestetix> Dagmar: that said, we're gonna try to stream the IDESG stuff for nyms 11:43 <@aestetix> IE you can watch me troll NIST 11:43 <@oddball> Last night, things were still very much in misinformation mode. A general did a press conference stating that the guy used a 9mm, while most of the news stories I saw were reporting a .45. 11:43 <@Corydon76-home> That's what I heard this morning on NPR 11:44 <@brimstone> InfoSecDog: 2600 tomorrow night? 11:44 <@Dagmar> heheh 11:46 <@oddball> I have an internal rolling clock of when to believe details of news reports. 11:47 <@oddball> Number of those shot tends to not be accurate for a few hours, weapon(s) used tend to take at least a day or two, etc. 11:49 <@Corydon76-home> Number of shots isn't going to be accurate for a few weeks 11:49 <@Corydon76-home> Not until they find all the rounds fired 11:49 <@Corydon76-home> Or at least all of the shell casings 11:50 <@Dolemite> Was the handle on the pistol black? I heard that black handles are EVIL. 11:50 <@oddball> heh 11:51 <@oddball> Oh... my favorite is that apparently the general (presumably the base's command officer) was asked several times if folks were allowed to carry on base, and he essentially responded with "I don't trust my soldiers to carry weapons." 11:52 <@Dolemite> SMH 11:52 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: what was the actual quote? 11:54 <@oddball> Not exactly. It was something like "No. Personel are not allowed to conceal carry, and I think that is the right decision." 11:54 <@Dagmar> They should carry their weapons openly. 11:54 <@Dagmar> ...and at all timmes. 11:55 <@Dagmar> It's a fucking military base. 11:55 <@oddball> Ah.. here's the quote: "I don't think soldiers should have concealed weapons on base." 11:55 <@Dolemite> Yes, and their job is to defend our country. They should be as familiar with their firearms as their genitalia. 11:56 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: there's a difference between open carry and concealed carry, though 11:56 <@Corydon76-home> The base commander only said something about concealed carry 11:56 <@Dolemite> I agree, and I am wondering why the hell they aren't open carrying everywhere 11:58 <@oddball> The army has a rule dating back to the Clinton administration stating that you're not allowed to carry a weapon on a base unless you're on duty as an MP or guarding something of significant importance to require arms. 11:58 <@Dagmar> Well, clearly that's a long time-honored rule 11:59 <@oddball> note: It was not due to a Clinton excecutive order, but was declared by the head of the Army at the time. 11:59 <@Dagmar> what... twenty whole years? 12:00 <@Dolemite> I declare that the United States of America is something of significant importance to guard with the use of deadly force. 12:00 <@Corydon76-home> Right, and of course, we don't expect soldiers to comply with a General Order. 12:00 -!- rhia [~rhia@173.85.105.192] has joined #se2600 12:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rhia] by ChanServ 12:01 <@oddball> I will say that my dad told me of a period that the Air Force decided that *everyone* had to carry a firearm while on duty. He found carrying a Beretta on his hip with the shitty holsters the military defaults to really damn annoying as he was doing legal work (he was a JAG). 12:01 <@Corydon76-home> We run our military like a bunch of cowboys, with no clear chain of command, and soldiers can just go off and do whatever they like, right? 12:01 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: So... you'd be ok with them open carrying, but not concealed? 12:01 <@Dagmar> These Cloudflare people are just high 12:02 <@Dagmar> I guess we know what's making their "clouds" 12:02 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: I'd be okay if neither side of the gun control debate made this about a lack of common sense regulations. 12:03 <@oddball> ok, just asking for clarification. 12:04 <@Corydon76-home> We are _never_ going to prevent all deaths. Ever. Anytime someone makes the argument that something will prevent deaths, they are seriously smoking something illegal. 12:04 <@oddball> I've just had to deal with people that have cited the earlier Ft. Hood shooting stating that "it's a fucking military base, and guns didn't stop it." 12:05 <@Corydon76-home> It's a fucking tragedy on multiple levels. But at the end of the day, nothing related to gun regulation was going to stop it. 12:06 <@Corydon76-home> Maybe the guy should've been committed for mental evaluation. But that's a medical decision, not one related to firearms regulations. 12:08 <@Corydon76-home> That's the right place to have this discussion, not whether more guns should be permitted on base, or whether he should have been permitted to purchase that weapon. 12:09 <@oddball> I've seen reports that the guy was actually being treated for some psychological issues, but that they were no where near the "this guy is about the flip out and kill everyone" stage. 12:10 <@oddball> Ah... yeah... he was having problems sleeping. 12:11 <@oddball> Which rates up there with... "it's Tuesday" as far as mental issues go. 12:23 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.150.148.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: he self-diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injury, and they were in the process of diagnosing PTSD 12:28 <@Corydon76-home> They noted on NPR this morning that TBI normally occurred to drivers when they were in the vicinity of a roadside bomb being detonated 12:30 <@oddball> Yeah... although I've read reports that they checked him out for brain injury and couldn't find anything. Of course, they could have missed something... 12:31 <@Dagmar> TBI = "I hurt mah brain" in Fancy-nese 12:31 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: aka concussion, whiplash, etc. 12:32 <@Dagmar> Whiplask is generally damage to the neck 12:32 <@Dagmar> er whiplash 12:32 <@oddball> Yeah... whipash is to the neck. 12:33 <@oddball> er whiplash 12:33 <@Dagmar> oddball: BY THE WAY 12:33 <@Dagmar> oddball: Guess what the Circle K by Bongo has now 12:34 <@oddball> Hookers and blow? 12:34 <@Dagmar> Full Throttle as a _fountain drink_. 12:34 <@Dagmar> One can actually get it in a 64oz jug and no one tries to arrest me for it. 12:35 <@oddball> So.... they're wanting people's hearts to explode? 12:35 <@Dagmar> The kids at Bongo were speculating that it'll last until someone hurts themselves. 12:35 <@Dagmar> My response: "I'll tell you who's going to get hurt. Annyone trying to get between me and that fountain." 12:35 <@Dagmar> I'm considering going there for lunch today 12:36 <@oddball> heh 12:43 <@oddball> Damnit... Naienko is leaning on me to skip the 2600 meeting tomorrow to watch the new Capt. America movie. 12:51 <@Dolemite> That's ok, I'm sure you won't miss any factual, er I mean actual, news. 12:51 <@oddball> heh 12:55 -!- klixa-mobile [~klixa-mob@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 12:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa-mobile] by ChanServ 12:58 -!- klixa-mobile [~klixa-mob@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 13:19 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: check my IP 13:28 <@Wilpig> ? 13:28 <@Wilpig> it's mine? 13:53 <@oddball> I'm going to predict that, come the meeting, it will be announced that the contract is "almost signed." 13:54 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:54 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.150.148.247] has joined #se2600 14:04 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600 14:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 14:08 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.150.148.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:09 <@Mirage> heh, i just saw an ssh error I'd never seen before, whch was caused by an issue with resolving the logged in uid against ldap. "You don't exist, go away!" 14:09 <@oddball> gotta love open source error codes. 14:10 <@Mirage> qmail was always good for a chuckle 14:40 <@Dagmar> Oh hell yes 14:40 <@Dagmar> Theo T'so weighs in 14:40 <@Dagmar> er Ts'o 14:40 <@Dagmar> https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/K7ijdmxJ8PF 14:40 <@Dagmar> ...and LKML goes down 14:42 <@Dagmar> A small bit of the blowback shown elsewhere https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935#c11 14:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bug 76935 Do not parse "debug" command line parameter (at bugs.freedesktop.org) 14:44 <@Dagmar> The core of the issue is that if you set the parameter 'debug' to be passed to the kernel, systemd _reads it as well_] 14:44 <@Dagmar> Linus is going to wind up weighing in on this one 14:44 <@Dagmar> "NO, you can't fucking take over the kernel command-line arguments." 14:45 <@Dagmar> But hey... maybe their next project is to absorb the kernel into systemd so it can boot faster 14:46 < frsilent> Corydon76-home: haven't been keeping up with the discussion here but that guy was a POG 14:46 < frsilent> & desk jockey 15:00 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.150.148.247] has joined #se2600 15:01 <@Corydon76-home> frsilent: the news from this morning said that he was a truck driver in Iraq 15:05 < frsilent> that doesn't mean much =\ 15:06 < frsilent> I haven't really looked into the issue a whole bunch but I've had some buddies telling me that he didn't do too much 15:08 < frsilent> & I just hate how the news will spin out "Iraq Veteran" like he's somehow a victim of ptsd 15:09 < frsilent> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/02/fort-hood-shooter-had-mental-health-problems/7237489/ 15:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Fort Hood shooter Ivan Lopez had mental problems, saw no combat in Iraq (at www.usatoday.com) 15:13 <@Dagmar> Some people at CNN need slapping because they keep going on about how the government "has not yet ruled out terrorism" 15:14 <@Dagmar> I would like to point out that the government has also not yet ruled out homosexuality, excess sweeteners, or Justin Beiber as the cause. 15:14 <@oddball> because yes. Yes they have? 15:15 <@oddball> frsilent: It's a fair angle to ask about since he thought he had a hidden head injury from his service... even though there's no record of him actually seeing any action over there. 15:16 < frsilent> I agree, it's just frustrating that the "veteran" thing gets promoted into news stories like this because of some outlier fuck 15:17 < frsilent> that I don't think is actually consistent with the demographic they're being labelled as 15:20 <@oddball> Well... they think that the first Rambo movie was non-fiction and happens often. 15:21 <@oddball> Of course, I was just talking in another channel about my buddies and I going down the list of "your kid might be a mass murderer if..." after Columbine and declaring that it's a miracle we hadn't gone on shooting sprees yet. 15:27 <@Dagmar> Goddamn hippies 15:27 <@Bahhumbug> oddball: I "almost signed" the same as, or at least similar to, "almost pregnant"? 15:27 <@Dagmar> Fucking short bus on FB yammering about how if we keep putting things into our bodies to protect us from viruses and whatnot, "nature will find another way in" 15:28 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: huh? 15:28 <@Dagmar> I just went straight to "Shut your fucking hole you talking monkey." 15:29 <@oddball> Tell them to tell that to small pox. 15:30 <@Dagmar> Acutlaly I concluded with 'DO YOU WANT AN EPIDEMIC OF BUBONIC PLAGUE? BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU GET AN EPIDEMIC OF THE BUBONIC PLAGUE.' 15:30 <@Mirage> aestetix: just for you..(audio NSFW...headphones recommended) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex8eilkWxgM 15:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Billy Connolly - On a plane to Australia - Funny story - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 15:30 <@Bahhumbug> Meh, helps when the first word is actually spelled right :/ It was just a stupid joke about the contract. 15:32 <@oddball> Dagmar: Slightly off target, but did you tell this individual about this site? http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ 15:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: How do vaccines cause autism? (at howdovaccinescauseautism.com) 15:32 <@Wilpig> the jews 15:35 <@oddball> Oh wow... So apparently enough people have asked CNN why they failed to cover Cali. State Sen. Yee's arrest that they decided to respond. They're response? "That's a state level story... We don't cover those." So... now people are now listing issues with state senators that they've covered in the past. 15:37 <@oddball> (Yee is the staunchly anti-gun and anti violent video game state senator that got arrested for selling machine guns) 15:47 <@shapr> wait, srsly? 15:48 * Catonic belches 15:48 <@oddball> Which part? Yee getting arrested or CNN trying to claim that they never report on the ongoings of state level politics? 15:49 <@oddball> Cause both are fairly hysterical if you ask me. 15:49 <@oddball> Yes, this is an opinion piece, but it's pretty hard to argue with the facts laid out in this USA today article: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/04/01/fbi-guns-leland-lee-column/7081115/ 15:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: The media hate Republicans: Column (at www.usatoday.com) 15:50 <@oddball> ...and clearly the author has a bit of a biased point of view himself. 15:55 <@shapr> I get hysterical too sometimes. 15:55 <@shapr> but then, I don't write articles about it 15:59 <@oddball> Yee was the golden boy of Moms Demanding Action, MAIG, the Brady Campaign, etc... and it turns out he was running guns for political contributions. I think that was part of the plot for Shoot'em Up. 16:02 <@shapr> ouch https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-steps-down-as-mozilla-ceo/ 16:02 <@shapr> 16:03 <@oddball> shapr: So... why is he stepping down? 16:03 <@shapr> as far as I can tell, gender warriors 16:04 <@oddball> Did he say women need to get back in the kitchen or something? 16:05 <@shapr> I think he disagrees with homosexuality or something. 16:05 <@shapr> I couldn't see all the details from the flames surrounding them. 16:09 <@Catonic> lawd 16:12 <@Bahhumbug> Annnd we have a winner: [15:08:12] is it better to comment auth required pam_shells.so out or add /sbin/nologin to /etc/shells 16:13 <@rattle> Wow. I feel like some giant battle was suddenly won. Microsoft just released the .NET compiler under the Apache 2.0 license. 16:14 <@Bahhumbug> So no more broken Mono? 16:15 <@shapr> holy wow! 16:15 <@shapr> rattle: link? 16:16 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps this: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/03/28/142228/microsoft-releases-aspnet-mvc-under-the-apache-license 16:16 <@Bahhumbug> ? 16:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Microsoft Releases ASP.NET MVC Under the Apache License - Slashdot (at developers.slashdot.org) 16:24 <@oddball> shapr: Ah... apparently he donated $1k for the California Prop8 campaign against same sex marriage in 2008: http://venturebeat.com/2014/04/02/the-public-trial-of-mozilla-ceo-brendan-eich-interview/ 16:26 <@Bahhumbug> He violated the Don't Be A Dick rule. 16:26 <@brimstone> it's a hard rule 16:26 <@Bahhumbug> hahahaha 16:26 <@Bahhumbug> I needed that. 16:26 <@Bahhumbug> Thank you. 16:26 <@brimstone> np 16:31 <@rattle> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkT9oBcCQAAHIAV.jpg:large 16:31 <@rattle> It appears Miguel de Icaza has pulled off what ten years ago would have seemed impossible. 16:34 <@oddball> hahaha... apparently reason.tv posted this "checkpoint refusal video" on April 1st. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB_l6sLxNj4 16:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: You Wont Believe This Border Patrol Checkpoint Refusal Video - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 16:38 <@oddball> I would like to believe that the guy in the car was actually one of those douche bags that rolls up to a check point and decides to be as difficult as possible. 17:21 <@Dagmar> rattle: What... made .NET not suck? 17:22 <@Dagmar> Ohh... now I see 17:22 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Actually, he wasn't a dick. He gave them $1000 and that's about the extent of the "story" 17:24 <@Dagmar> The only thing going on now is that we're seeing the loudmouthed-asshole faction of the 'tolerance and coexistence' crowd demonstrating that they're perfectly capable of being intolerant, hypocritical dickbags by going on a never-ending witch hunt. 17:24 <@Dagmar> The dude keeps his personal and business lives separate 17:25 <@Dagmar> But, you know, the loudmouthed-asshole factions would never allow anyone to behave like a responsible adult and get away with it. 17:25 <@oddball> Honestly, it seems like a fairly common trait. 17:25 <@Dagmar> Gotta have pitchforks and torches 17:26 <@Dagmar> OkCupid can suck a dick because it looks like they did their little thing on April 1st so that if people called them out for stirring up drama just to draw attention to themselves, they could claim it was just a bad April Fool's joke 17:26 <@Dagmar> Eich has basically refused to respond to the crazy-ass allegations because (and I would concur) none of those people are interested in a reasoned discussion. They're just looking to be dicks. 17:27 <@Dagmar> Personally, I agree with it. 17:27 <@Dagmar> The law shouldn't protect gay marriages. 17:27 <@Dagmar> The law shouldn't protect _any_ marriages anymore. 17:28 <@Dagmar> The religious wackjobs want to argue that it's between a man and a woman only, and it *is* a religious tradition, so they've *actually* got a point for once. 17:28 <@Dagmar> Separation of church and state would seem to indicate that this means the law shouldn't be enforcing their beliefs. 17:29 <@Dagmar> The solution that solves all this shit is to take protection of 'marriage' out of the law books entirely, and define the formal familial joining of two consenting adults, be they man, woman, transgender, nongender, or pluralgender as a 'civil union'. 17:30 <@Dagmar> Give _that_ the protection it deserves and tell everyone to just shut the fuck up and go about the business of being happy. 17:30 <@Bahhumbug> They will never be happy. 17:30 <@Bahhumbug> They need something to rail against. 17:30 <@Dagmar> That's just fuckin' tough then. 17:30 * Bahhumbug shrugs 17:31 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not necessarily arguing with you. 17:31 <@Dagmar> Demanding the law redefine a religious tradition to suit their interests is NOT going to make churches change their mind about homosexuality. 17:31 <@Dagmar> "It won't make daddy love you." 17:31 <@Dagmar> There's a whole lot of people fishing off the wrong pier with tat. 17:31 <@Bahhumbug> If everyone would mind their own business and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing the US might actually be a nice place again. 17:31 <@Wilpig> but hugging a pole and taking off your clothes to modern music will 17:32 <@Dagmar> So, much like the problem of endless pockets of racism, with no one making an attempt to get along, we're just going to have to wait for a whole lot of dumbasses to die of old age. 17:32 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, and frankly? Fuck the "churches"; I've little regard for what they think about that or much of anything else. They're the ones that should be minding their own fucking business. 17:33 <@Bahhumbug> Can we help them along 17:33 <@Bahhumbug> ? 17:33 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: They're pretty much proving we're making a mistake by using law to protect what is primarily a religious institution. 17:33 <@Dagmar> They only reason they're even marginally right is purely by accident. 17:33 <@Bahhumbug> The only reason they are breathing is really purely by accident as well. 17:34 <@Bahhumbug> At least for the most part. 18:44 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.150.148.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:39 -!- FNG [826c1875@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.108.24.117] has joined #se2600 19:42 -!- FNG [826c1875@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.108.24.117] has left #se2600 [] 19:43 -!- FNG_Skewl [826c1875@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.108.24.117] has joined #se2600 19:43 < FNG_Skewl> o/ 19:44 * Wilpig punches FNG_Skewl in the nuts 19:44 < FNG_Skewl> WTF dude I just came for the cookies. 19:44 <@Wilpig> oh. my bad 19:45 <@Wilpig> we have cookies? 19:45 < FNG_Skewl> All is forgivin, I have children. 19:45 < FNG_Skewl> ohh my mistake. This isn't the brony channel... I came here for pig and beer. 19:46 <@Wilpig> testing this file that I remuxed earlier to make sure that english is now the primary audio language and the english subs are forced for the foreign parts 19:47 < FNG_Skewl> Anyone have experince with "Work breakdown charts? 19:49 < FNG_Skewl> So making a foreign movie into english with english subtitils? 19:54 <@Wilpig> bah! it isn't forcing this subtitle track even though I set it to force 19:54 <@Wilpig> and no I haven't ever done that 20:02 < FNG_Skewl> Senior design is 50% Adminstrative, 30% Documentation 15% Journal Entries, 5% Making shit happen. 20:03 <@brimstone> sounds like my senior project class 20:05 < FNG_Skewl> Same class, but at least he have a guy who likes to make coffee and tea. 20:05 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: what's the smallest dick you've ever seen 20:05 <@aestetix> how long 20:06 < FNG_Skewl> I assume he was talking about the overall displacment if you put it in water. 20:07 <@aestetix> Measuring penis size by water displacement? 20:07 < FNG_Skewl> Yea. You never done it/ 20:35 <@Wilpig> sign me up! http://www.hammacher.com/Product/12185 20:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Flying Fire Breathing Dragon - Hammacher Schlemmer (at www.hammacher.com) 20:46 < FNG_Skewl> Only $60,000! I can build one for maybe 1% of that... and it can shoot fire while flying. 20:53 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53 -!- brookshi1e [mbrooks@hijacked.us] has joined #se2600 20:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brookshi1e] by ChanServ 20:53 -!- brookshi1e [mbrooks@hijacked.us] has left #se2600 [] 21:25 <@Dagmar> Fucking pinheaded dipshit asshats 21:25 <@Dagmar> Eich stepped down. 21:41 -!- FNG_Skewl [826c1875@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.108.24.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:07 <@Dagmar> aestetix: https://imgur.com/gallery/hcYLxHO 22:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Privileges - Imgur (at imgur.com) 22:13 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:22 -!- InfoSecDog_ [~user@ec2-54-225-52-188.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #se2600 22:24 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@ec2-54-225-52-188.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:49 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 22:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 22:59 <@RangerZ> PS Now beta here I come... 22:59 <@RangerZ> should be interesting 23:02 <@Dagmar> The what beta? 23:02 <@RangerZ> playstation Now 23:02 <@Dagmar> A PS4 thing? 23:02 <@RangerZ> streaming of PS3 (for now) games over the internet 23:02 <@Dagmar> Ohh 23:02 <@Dagmar> I just got http://www.discogs.com/Pink-Floyd-Wish-You-Were-Here-Trance-Remixes/release/664905 in the mail 23:03 <@RangerZ> also, if anyone DOES want a PS4, let me know 23:03 <@Dagmar> Ripping it now. THEN I'll try to figure out which release it is 23:03 <@RangerZ> i know a place with several for sale 23:08 <@Dagmar> Sweet crap it's even the 1993 pressing from the look of it 23:08 <@RangerZ> lol 23:09 <@Dagmar> You just have no idea 23:09 <@Dagmar> There were only about 1,000 of these made 23:09 <@RangerZ> thats good 23:09 <@Dagmar> You ever listen to Pink Floyd? 23:09 <@RangerZ> 'ever', yes 23:09 <@RangerZ> but do I purposely ever turn them on, no 23:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah stick around about 30 more minutes 23:11 <@RangerZ> I don't have anything against them, I just never seemed to 'catch' the fever that everyone else did about them 23:11 <@Dagmar> Ever listen to The Orb? 23:11 <@RangerZ> *shrugs* 23:11 <@RangerZ> i'm _horrible_ when it comes to bands 23:11 <@RangerZ> I'm sure I have 23:11 <@RangerZ> just don't pay attention most of the time 23:11 <@RangerZ> It was until I was 17 until I could recognize bands/songs 23:12 <@RangerZ> and even then only a few 23:12 <@Dagmar> Little Fluffy Clouds ring a bell? Perhaps Blue Room? 23:12 <@RangerZ> let me youtube them 23:12 <@RangerZ> b/c thats really honestly how i could tell 23:17 <@RangerZ> yeah, i've heard that before 23:17 <@RangerZ> it gets remixed a lot in .DE house 23:17 <@RangerZ> but i've heard the original before 23:17 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Eich really didn't have a choice. 23:17 <@RangerZ> didn't know who performed it 23:19 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip68-107-30-207.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 23:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 23:23 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Yes. And that's _bullshit_ 23:23 <@Dagmar> Bitches want to go on a witch hunt instead of trying to think 23:23 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: http://dagmar.evilgiggle.com/~dagmar/Pink%20Floyd.7z 23:24 <@Corydon76-home> It wasn't a witch hunt. He really did make that donation, and nobody else was caught up in the scandal. 23:25 <@RangerZ> honestly, he could have stopped it by saying "i'm sorry, i've learned my lesson" or some other BS 23:25 <@Corydon76-home> And the groups boycotting him, who originally called for his resignation backed down and only asked for an apology 23:25 <@RangerZ> but he didn't learn rule #1 of crisis mang. he didn't get out infront of it 23:26 <@Corydon76-home> Or how about, "At the time, I thought I was defending traditional marriage, but my friends have educated me on the subject. If the campaign were held today, I would not donate." 23:27 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:30 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: yep, at the point at which senior Mozilla employees were calling for his resignation, he was done for. You cannot effectively manage an organization without the respect of the workers. 23:31 <@RangerZ> yeah 23:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 23:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 23:33 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has joined #se2600 23:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dickie] by ChanServ 23:38 <@Dagmar> No, it was a witch hunt because he made a $1,000 donation to a political fund, and these brickbats went straight to accusing him of homophobia and discriminatory practices and hatred 23:40 <@Dagmar> Someone _could_ have followed through on the hint that he would have discussed it if someone _reasonable_ asked about it 23:40 <@Dagmar> ...but clearly no one was interested in bothering with that 23:53 <@Corydon76-home> A witch hunt implies that he did not do what he was accused of doing 23:54 <@Corydon76-home> There is no dispute on that point. He did it. The question is, is that a valid thing for the head of an organization that needs to work with diverse stakeholders? 23:54 <@Dagmar> No, they were on a witch hunt for a homophobe. 23:55 <@Corydon76-home> I'm not sure how you can look at the facts of the situation and come to that conclusion 23:55 <@Dagmar> ...and even if he was, if he was capable of separating that from his professional life and his responsibilities as CEO, what's the problem? 23:56 <@Dagmar> Dude, *I* think they should have kept running the way prop 8 was going and followed it to it's logical conclusion 23:56 <@Dagmar> It's even possible he didn't give a shit one way or the other and someone he knew just asked him to make a donation 23:56 <@Corydon76-home> His responsibilities as CEO are to work with multiple stakeholders. If multiple stakeholders refuse to work with him, then he cannot do his job effectively. 23:56 <@Dagmar> The _logical_ conclusion is that the religious asshats actually had a legitimate argument 23:57 <@Dagmar> That marriage is a primarily religious institution, which means the religious heads get to set _those_ rules and definitions. 23:57 <@Dagmar> THEN we can have a discussion about whether or not protecting a _religious_ institution is actually enshrining a religious principle into law. 23:57 <@Dagmar> ...which is something we should _not_ be doing. 23:57 <@Corydon76-home> But marriage ISN'T a primarily religious institution. It's a civil institution 23:57 <@RangerZ> civil unions should be all the goverment does 23:57 <@Dagmar> Get fucking "marriage" as the religious people define it _out_ of the law books entirely. 23:58 <@Dagmar> No, Marriage has been a religious institution for centuries 23:58 <@Corydon76-home> The only reason religion ever became intertwined is because in the Middle Ages, religion became intertwined with government. 23:58 <@Dagmar> _Centuries_ 23:58 <@Corydon76-home> Marriage has been a civil institution for millenia 23:58 <@Dagmar> It's an unpleasant problem to be sure, but to sum it up, sometimes you have to cut the baby in half 23:59 <@Dagmar> No, it's been both a religious institution and a civli issue, but it's been primarily a religious institution 23:59 <@Dagmar> If we can't get the religious jerks to back off on the man+woman thing, then it's time to strike it from the law books. --- Log closed Fri Apr 04 00:00:06 2014