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00:54 <@RangerZ> ohh look SuMo_D paywalll on that site you linked, not gonna read, lol
00:54 <@SuMo_D> yeah... wilpig said that too... I didn't get one
00:54 <@SuMo_D> so weird
00:55 <@RangerZ> SuMo_D: also, You aren't girly enough for that christian school , you like building things
00:55 <@RangerZ> thats 'boys work'
00:55 <@RangerZ> LOL
00:55 <@SuMo_D> ?
00:55 <@RangerZ> such BS
00:55 <@RangerZ> ohh you didn't see that
00:55 <@RangerZ> hold on
00:55 <@SuMo_D> I saw it... but yeah :/
00:55 <@SuMo_D> tried to forget it
00:56 <@SuMo_D> sad it has to be associated with a Christian school :/ once can it be like... a Bahai school or something... **sigh**
00:56 <@SuMo_D> but not surprised
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01:13 < aestetix> vagina
01:15 <@Dagmar> Fuck me
01:15 <@Dagmar> I got the Landmark beta
01:15 <@Dagmar> They found a new way to make an annoying unskippable
01:16 <@Dagmar> I am watching full screen headshot video of some dev running his mouth
01:16 <@Dagmar> Zero fucks given about whatever he is trying to say
01:17 < aestetix> Wilpig: I told you to stop masturbating: http://i.imgur.com/1NOAOHr.jpg
01:17 < aestetix> (nsfw)
01:17 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/7seWKDN.jpg?1 ok this is awesome
01:50 <@SuMo_D> Dude... I didn't realize Patti Smith and Robert Maplethorp had such a close connection
01:50 <@SuMo_D> kinda puts a few things into perspctive
01:55 <@SuMo_D> Holy crap
01:55 <@SuMo_D> https://www.sparkfun.com/videos#all/WeQaNRgiwXQ
01:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Videos - SparkFun Electronics (at www.sparkfun.com)
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07:03 < aestetix> vagina
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10:31 <@Dagmar> Heh
10:32 <@Dagmar> There's a thread on reddit right now that's devolved into sheer wonderment that since drugs are traded in both imperial and metric measurements in the US, _potheads_ are the people most likely to be familiar with and adept at converting to/from the metric system
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10:35 <@Wilpig> damn potheads.  out to straighten out society
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10:52 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Already found a way to make other players mad in EQ Landmark.  Heh
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10:52 <@Dagmar> wilpig: I knew the maps "heals" but I didn't know how, and I didn't want to _deforest_ the place, so I chopped a bunch of trees down to one whack from destroyed
10:52 <@Dagmar> Turns out, you need to chop them all the way down for them to grow back.  lol
10:53 <@Dagmar> Someone was all "what fucking asshole left this ENTIRE GROVE one hit away from knocked over and didn't finsh them"
10:53 <@Dagmar> whooops.  lol
10:54 <@Wilpig> lol
10:54 <@Wilpig> that's great
10:57 <@Wilpig> this morning I can report without any doubt that none of my coworkers ever spent any significant amount of time playing tetris in their lives
10:57 <@Wilpig> this bothers me
11:07 <@Wilpig> damn i'm sweating too hard for a sunday morning
11:12 <@Wilpig> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYXBbREtRB0
11:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness - Too Early - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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11:17 <@Wilpig> that's enough of a break.  time to get this last pallet wrapped
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14:41 <@Dagmar> I think I just scared the fuck out of a smurf
14:41 <@Dagmar> lol
14:42 <@Dagmar> I offhandedly mentioned that I could steal and pillage a lot of their accounts.
14:42 <@Dagmar> He mouthed off.
14:42 <@Dagmar> ...and in case you're wondering, this came up because the subject of people cheating came up.
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14:42 <@Dagmar> He wanted to imply I was mad that I _couldn't_ do it
14:43 <@Dagmar> I explained how most of Ingress's traffic was over non-SSL connections because it's as protected as it needs to be... and that the majority of the requests is controlled by the nonce token
14:44 <@Dagmar> ...and that their phones are fucking gullible about free wifi and if I spoof the mac and ssid of a wifi connection they use (and in some cases just the ssid) and it looks like a valid internet connection, I can now sniff their traffic, steal the nonce cookie, and empty their game inventory out at a location of my choosing.
14:45 <@Dagmar> "The only reason I'm not ruining your fun is that I have _moral standards_."
14:45 <@Dagmar> I am about 95% sure that's fuckin' doable with two evening's fuckin' around
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14:50 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: This is like super-high-defintion Minecraft, but with monsters turned off
14:50 <@Dagmar> The basic voxel is also about four or five inches in size
14:51 <@Dagmar> THey do a weird thing with the edges so the surface looks "natural"
14:51 <@Dagmar> But you can, if you're patient, dig straight through an entire goddamn mountain
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15:05 <@SuMo_D> why the Fuck is #nomakeupselfie a thing
15:05 <@SuMo_D> I'm so pissed right now
15:05 <@Wilpig> some kinda retarded cancer something or other
15:05 <@Wilpig> slacktivism
15:05 <@SuMo_D> If you don't wear makup you look like cancer FUCK YOU
15:06 <@SuMo_D> not like body changes are complex when you pump poison through your veins
15:19 <@Dagmar> I HAVE AN IDEA
15:19 <@Dagmar> #woodchippersforcancer
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15:33 <@Corydon76-home> SuMo_D: who says they're telling the truth about no makeup?
15:34 <@SuMo_D> who is telling what truth Corydon?
15:34 <@Corydon76-home> SuMo_D: No makeup selfies?
15:34 <@SuMo_D> what truth are they telling?
15:35 <@SuMo_D> I don't understand what you're saying
15:35 <@Corydon76-home> I meant, why believe them when they say they're taking a selfie with no makeup?
15:35 <@SuMo_D> if they want to say hey... makeup cause it can be bad for you popularize http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/search.php?query=ELF for fucks sake
15:36 <@Corydon76-home> People lie all the effing time.
15:36 <@SuMo_D> or hey - support lookgoodfeelbetter.org who's been dealing with chemo and body image issues for 25 years
15:37 <@eryc> someone drank the haterade this morning
15:37 <@SuMo_D> yeah who the fuck knows if they are lying or not but the fact that its a thing that 100s of people are jumping on - lie or no, and making it a thing.... is grrrrrrr
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15:38 <@Corydon76-home> Eh, I tend not to worry about trends like that.  There's one sure thing about fads... they end.
15:38 <@SuMo_D> but the message it sends
15:38 <@SuMo_D> its so.... wrong
15:38 <@Wilpig> it's slacktivism
15:38 <@SuMo_D> klixa did you see my rant about the #nomakeupselfies on the F-book
15:39 <@Wilpig> makes stupid people feel like they are making a difference
15:39 <@Corydon76-home> It's wrong to expect people to find inner beauty without the aid of cosmetics?
15:39 <@SuMo_D> Its wrong to force that upon people as a definition of beauty/non beauty and that taking it off for one photo = solidarity with a cancer patient
15:40 <@klixa> SuMo_D: i did not see it, but i will look for it... i never wear makeup anyway...so all my selfies are makeup free
15:40 <@Corydon76-home> SuMo_D: What do you think about people who shave their heads as a sign of solidarity with cancer patients?
15:41 <@SuMo_D> shaving your head is a little more of a commitment than I took off my lipgloss
15:42 <@klixa> i dont get the whole idea of no makeup=ugly
15:42 <@klixa> also, they are kinda claloing cancer patients ugly...in a way
15:42 <@klixa> calling*
15:43 <@SuMo_D> and dealing with what a woman in particular goes though in this society for a few months is a few steps closer than... hey I am so pretty with my makeup but I'll make an exception and show off I can be ugly too - but yeah for a cause!
15:43 <@SuMo_D> that's part of how I take it klixa
15:44 <@Dagmar> THis is why I think #woodchippers4cancer is a great idea.
15:45 <@Dagmar> Slacktivists throw themselves into wood chippers to show they care.
15:45 <@SuMo_D> I like this idea Dagmar
15:45 <@klixa> um
15:45 <@Dagmar> There's fewer slacktivists, I'm less bored, everyone's happy.
15:45 <@klixa> #sadistic #scared of irc
15:45 <@Dagmar> It's not sadism if they're doing it on their own.
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15:46 <@Corydon76-home> Then it's masocism
15:46 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
15:46 <@Corydon76-home> err, masochism
15:46 <@klixa> it's sadism to *want* them to do it
15:46 <@Dagmar> No, that's _misanthropy_.
15:46 <@Corydon76-home> No, it's sadism to _force_ them to do it
15:47 <@klixa> what is it when you dont want to force it or inflict in it, ut delight in its occurrence?
15:47 <@klixa> but*
15:47 <@Dagmar> Misanthropy.
15:47 <@klixa> misanthropy just means you dislike humans...maybe all you want is for them to have something anoying happen
15:47 <@Dagmar> Anyway, enough fooling around indoors.  It's time to try to modify the bike's electrical system without starting a fire.
15:48 <@klixa> Schadenfreude
15:48 <@klixa> there we go
15:48 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Or electrocuting yourself
15:48 <@Dagmar> Meh.  12v system.
15:48 <@Dagmar> 7A battery.
15:48 <@Dagmar> Not much risk of electrocution
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15:48 <@klixa> dagmar is a Schadenfreude-er
15:48 <@Corydon76-home> 7A is enough
15:49 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy
15:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Misanthropy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
15:49 <@Corydon76-home> Especially with non-rubber shoes
15:49 <@SuMo_D> I think I'm going to airbrush stuff.... and work with saws and lasers.... with my makeup on....
15:49 <@SuMo_D> later
15:49 <@Dagmar> Considering I've had my hands on both the battery terminals at once rather often, I'm not very concerned.
15:50 <@klixa> Dagmar: ok, you are a misanthropist who experiences Schadenfreude at the idea of slacktivists in woodchippers
15:50 <@Dagmar> By the way, the 16mm waterproof buttons http://www.oznium.com/ are sweet
15:50 <@GateKeeper> Title: LEDs - flexible LED strips, LED modules, 12v LEDs (at www.oznium.com)
15:50 <@klixa> masochistic kamikazzee-esque slacktivists*
15:51 <@Dagmar> klixa: No, I experience a sense of progress.
15:51 <@Corydon76-home> and a sense that the average IQ just went up
15:51 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home++
15:52 <@Dagmar> Hence, progress.
15:52 <@klixa> i dunno, low iq people breed in excess
15:52 <@Dagmar> This is why they need more natural predation.
15:52 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: More candidates for Darwin Awards
15:52 <@Corydon76-home> Occasionally, low IQ people produce high IQ offspring... and vice versa...
15:53 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: my ex in college was super smart...parents were borderline retarded...i always insisted he was adopted or switched at birth...turned out he was the reslt of artifical insemination back in the day when the grad students provided th sperm...at vanderbilt
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16:26 <@Wilpig> Gotta call teh accountant tomorrow and give him all my stuff.  Looking like I am gonna get reamed good this year.
16:27 <@Wilpig> Total Charitable Donations:  $1786.95   Moving expense:  $2682.70
16:27 <@Wilpig> that isn't even gonna make a dent in lowering my income
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16:58 <@dc0de> sup 2600
17:00 <@Wilpig> no u
17:14 <@SuMo_D> http://www.sumodhasaposee.com/content/bin/images/large/031710_4748.jpg
17:14 <@SuMo_D> real no makeup selfie...
17:23 <@klixa> someone should spoof the ca,paign and have cancer patients all glammed up..like over the top tammy fae baker style makeup
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20:35 < aestetix> SuMo_D: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppxbsjo32j7n2p2/intro%20to%20identity%20theory.pdf
20:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - intro to identity theory.pdf (at www.dropbox.com)
20:35 < aestetix> tell me what you think
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21:07 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: btw, have you ever pissed in someone's ass?
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21:16 <@klixa> identity is an odd thing...all of us talk to people online that we have no idea who they are...yet we know them...for example
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21:28 < aestetix> klixa: like the paper?
21:33 <@klixa> aestetix: i think this part is interestin "the purpose of names, or labels, is to allow someone else to have power over you"
21:33 <@klixa> i knew someone once...online, and we got to know each other really well, but he woudl never tell me his *real* iddentity
21:34 <@klixa> err *real* name i mean
21:35 <@klixa> we had a lot of discussions about whther or not it meant i could actually know him or not... i mean, i know like everything about this person...except their name
21:39 <@klixa> at one point he asked why it mattered and i said something about how "If I don't know who you are (your name) if you quit getting on irc i wont know how to find you" and he point out that if he left it would mean he didnt want found, and that basically what i was saying is i didnt have the ability to stalk him :/
21:43 <@Wilpig> that person is aestetix, isn't it?
21:43  * aestetix nods
21:43 < aestetix> I have a lot more to write, but this is enough for these purposes
21:48 < aestetix> this reminds me of the party trivk I did once
21:48 < aestetix> you know the thing where you're at a party where you don't know anyone, so they're likely to forget your name?
21:49 < aestetix> I guess nobody has
21:53 < oddball> klixa: Pretty sure there are folks I know for years (specifically in the community) that don't known my "real name."
21:54 < oddball> And... well... some folks have common names like "John Smith."  Me on the other hand?  There are 3 other living people that share my last name.
21:54 <@klixa> im the only me
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21:55 <@klixa> my last name and first name are uncommon
21:55 <@oddball> Yeah... my legal name is truly unique.
21:55 < aestetix> "I'm nobody. Who are you? Are you nobody too?"
21:57 < aestetix> klixa: so you think I should expand on it and write more?
22:03 <@klixa> it kinda bouncers between identity and name..in a confusing to me way (im add and am holding a wiggly baby so my obsevstion may not be objective)
22:07 < aestetix> klixa: welcome to the current state of things
22:07 <@klixa> well...the section about jung...not sure how it relates to the rest
22:07 < aestetix> as in, nobody seems to have a fucking clue about what identity is, at least in the industry
22:07 < aestetix> ok
22:07 < aestetix> the bit about jung is "what is identity, anyways"
22:09 <@klixa> "In contrast, we can see what I call "Google's method"" <---then mauybe that should say "In contrast, Googles midel of IDENTITY is...blah blah blah
22:09 <@klixa> but thats where i get confused...i mean you talk abotu teh nymwars...so sometimes it seems like its a paper about names..other itmes one about identity
22:09 <@klixa> yet you state they are not the same thing
22:10 < aestetix> ok
22:10 <@klixa> they overlap...so i get the problem...i also intuitively know what you are saying... its just not very clear while reading
22:12 < aestetix> ok
22:20 <@Dagmar> THey don't overlap.
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22:20 <@Dagmar> People have simply grown used to conflating the two.
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22:21 <@Dagmar> Goddamn
22:21 <@Dagmar> Some of the banner ads on TPB have _really_ jumped the shark
22:21 <@klixa> well identuty is the thing itself, and the name is the label of the thing...
22:21 <@Dagmar> NSFW!1 http://www.3dpornvideos.com/game/index.php?t=xpb120600
22:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: League of Angels - Adult Gamers Only (at www.3dpornvideos.com)
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> There are ads on TPB?
22:22 <@Dagmar> I think I already know more than I want to about that game actually.
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> Wait.
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> There are ads on the internet?
22:22 <@klixa> wait.
22:22 <@klixa> there are ads?
22:24 <@klixa> fuck your way to victory?
22:24 <@Dagmar> Yeah the banner ad involved a few other unlikely pairings
22:25 <@Dagmar> It's probably like WarTune.  Horrible banner ads, no actual fooling around in the game.
22:25 <@Dagmar> Whatever happened to just _lying_ about subscriber numbers
22:28 < aestetix> So klixa
22:28 < aestetix> the point I was trying to get across is that identity is complex and nuanced, and names are just labels that help us to describe it
22:29 < aestetix> In the jung stuff, for example. you have the two types of identity, rational and emotional
22:29 < aestetix> and one idea is that rational identity is really just a set of names and symbols
22:29 < aestetix> Does that help clarify it more?
22:29 <@klixa> aestetix: i guess what  i dont understand...is teh mahority of the paper is about "real" names... and yet its called identity theory...but it seems to be just name theory...and then the jung paragraph is kinda thrown in (and not really needed)
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22:30 <@klixa> its not that i dont understand what you are saying...its just... what is this paper about? name or identity?
22:30 < aestetix> I just explained the connection :p
22:30 < aestetix> yes :)
22:30 <@klixa> yes, but your paper needs to
22:30 < aestetix> I thought I had
22:30 <@klixa> not clearly
22:31 < aestetix> bah ok
22:31 < aestetix> well I'll revisit that in a bit
22:31 < aestetix> I didn't even wnat to write this in the first place :p
22:31 < aestetix> fucking academics
22:31 <@klixa> aestetix: oh... well in that case its great, now time for you to move on ot bigger and better things
22:39 <@Dagmar> I wish this channel had more people knowledgable able stabilizing noisy power in a vehicle
22:41 < aestetix> what?
22:41 <@klixa> you have noisy power?
22:41 <@Dagmar> On the bike, yeah
22:42 <@klixa> are you sayong yourt engine is loud?
22:42 <@Dagmar> Nope.
22:43 <@Dagmar> There's just annoying electrical noise in the power fucking with the amp
22:43 <@klixa> oh..hmmm
22:43 <@klixa> i can ask someone about that for  you...hes not here right now tho
22:43 <@Dagmar> I'm going to hunt for a 12v stabilizer tomorrow
22:44 <@Dagmar> It should at least be easy to install since I have an actual power bus now
22:46 <@Dagmar> I may just scavenge some capacitors and hook them up
22:47 < aestetix> vagina
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