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00:01 < aestetix> Dagmar: every study I have seen shows otherwise
00:01 < aestetix> Well let me rephrase that
00:01 < aestetix> Every good study
00:02 < aestetix> There are some studies that show that names determine content, but they are crap studies
00:02 <@Dagmar> To me it doesn't matter if it makes _some_ people behave
00:02 <@Dagmar> You and I both know there's plenty of assholes who don't consider themselves to have any reputation capital to lose in the first place
00:02 <@Dagmar> There'll always be plenty of those around
00:03 < aestetix> well sre
00:04 <@Dagmar> So the thing they're mostly proposing to "fix" the problem of evil people isn't going to be effective
00:05 < aestetix> yep
00:05 < aestetix> Korea proved that
00:05 < aestetix> They passed a law requiring legal names on the internet
00:05 < aestetix> And repealed it in 2012
00:05 < aestetix> because it didn't work
00:17 <@RangerZ> my understanding was that they couldn't get the technical part of it working
00:17 <@RangerZ> *shrugs*
00:17 <@RangerZ> though its probably both
00:18 < aestetix> RangerZ: it was also ineffective
00:18 < aestetix> IIRC, 0.5% change in comment quality
00:47 <@RangerZ> so they had 0.5% 'acceptable' comment quality by the end? lol
00:47 <@RangerZ> not bad from going from 0% -_-
01:54 <@SuMo_D> sup lovelies
01:55 <@SuMo_D> aestetix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUj3hVWdpv0&list=RD9HrxhSnr2Ls
01:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Portlandia - Social Bankruptcy - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:14 <@SuMo_D> scared you all away cause I called you lovelies huh?
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03:36 <@RangerZ> SuMo_D: btw, i've never 'hacked' those laser lights
03:36 <@RangerZ> but worked on them
03:36 <@RangerZ> and 'real' moving lights
04:00 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/215nw5/seriousmale_sexual_assault_victims_may_we_hear/
04:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: (Serious)Male sexual assault victims may we hear your stories? : AskReddit (at www.reddit.com)
04:08 <@SuMo_D> well that's a depressing thread...
04:12 < aestetix> well
04:12 < aestetix> It's good to see that sexual assault is not just Man->Woman
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04:14 < aestetix> SuMo_D: while it's sad, it's good that they are speaking up
04:14 < aestetix> More people need to realize that sexual assault is not just about women
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08:15 <@Wilpig> http://accidentalgoatse.tumblr.com/post/80554258416
08:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Accidental Goatse (at accidentalgoatse.tumblr.com)
09:42 <@Wilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ytRWSYxgpk  why is virgil so shiny?
09:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: LootCrate opening! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:47 <@Dagmar>  He's also mirror reflected
09:57 <@Wilpig> that too
09:57 <@Wilpig> and on my laptop the sound was out of sync but that could just be my laptpo
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10:10 <@Mirage> Sound is out of sync for me as well.
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10:23 <@shapr> Gooood morning peoplez!
10:35 <@Wilpig> lazy... piece of shit!
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10:41 < Dolemite> Wilpig: Finding more cabling done by your coworker?
10:41 <@Wilpig> no.  i'll explain in a sec
10:52 <@RangerZ> http://whiteguyswearinoculusrifts.tumblr.com/
10:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: White Guys Wearin' Oculus Rifts (at whiteguyswearinoculusrifts.tumblr.com)
10:53 <@RangerZ> new kink for Dolemite and aestetix
10:58 <@Dagmar> goddamn people
11:00 <@Dagmar> Some dude on this forum is probably going to get pissed with me for calling him a 'nonconfrontational Indian', but fuck him
11:00 <@Dagmar> He hired some developer to build his website, which he then *uploads* to the GoDaddy hosting service
11:01 <@Dagmar> Later he asked the dev to make some changes, and the dev just went and did them.
11:01 <@Dagmar> Now he's asking if there was some way people could hack sites, and says he doesn't want to ask the developer what they did because they might get upset.
11:01 <@Dagmar> I'm like, "Dude, pay the fuck attention to what you upload."
11:02 <@Dagmar> He probably constructed the site in fucking Wordpress or Drupal and gave that to the bizdev guy to upload
11:06 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: the very last picture on that.  lol.  dude looks like he just stroked out
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11:07 <@Wilpig> so we have this dumbfuck that has been wasting time working on this issue with dell.
11:08 <@Wilpig> we isolated the problem over a month ago to something in the midplane.  dell has confirmed they think there is residual power causing issues in that area but none of the chassis's we have here have the required debug headers on the boards to get the real information that dell needs
11:09 <@Wilpig> so this jackass has convinced himself that he knows better than all the rest of us and has decided it isn't a problem with teh chassis and is actually a problem with the node itself.
11:10 <@Wilpig> he has even gone as far as to get dell to send out hard drives by another manufacturer to try and see if that would have any effect, which of course they did not
11:10 <@Wilpig> this morning... he was supposed to test these new drives but he couldn't figure out how to remotely power on these nodes. *sigh* moron... so I powered the four on, got each into utility mode and notified him they were ready
11:11 <@Wilpig> he tests the disk throughput then contacts me to tell me he's done testing but would like for me to collect some logs from each of the four nodes and submit them to dell
11:11 <@Wilpig> LAZY FUCK!  YOU WERE JUST ON THOSE NODES!  WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU COLLECT YOUR LOGS WHILE YOU WERE THERE?!?!
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11:15 <@RangerZ> ohh come on Wilpig
11:15 <@RangerZ> expecting someone to care
11:15 <@RangerZ> you should know better than that, your apathetic self ;)
11:16 <@Wilpig> it isn't expecting him to care.  it's me expecting him to not be a lazy fuck or be aware that i have no problem taking a bat to his knees
11:16 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: So you have a new houseplant?
11:16 <@Wilpig> not in my dept, thank god
11:16 <@Wilpig> but he does seem similar
11:17 <@Mirage> On a completely separate note..one of my coworkers has decided to start in on some security coursework stuff and this morning asked me if i was familiar with this website he'd gone to that was mentioned several times in the class...the site was 4chan.   he's now scarred for life.  LOL
11:17 <@Dagmar> hahahah
11:17 <@Wilpig> lol
11:17 <@RangerZ> hehe
11:17 <@Wilpig> hopefully you mocked him
11:17 <@RangerZ> send him to 2chan
11:17 <@RangerZ> /vip/
11:17 <@Wilpig> Mirage: does he know of goatse? tubgirl? 2girls1cup?
11:17 <@RangerZ> it'll be in japanese, and will still scar him
11:18 <@RangerZ> meatspin, lemon party, etc
11:18 <@Mirage> oh, and the best part..apparently his wife walked into his "office" while he was checking it out.
11:18 <@RangerZ> lol
11:18 <@Dagmar> So... he'll be needing a good attorney then
11:19 <@RangerZ> or some leather and chains
11:22 <@RangerZ> Wilpig: did you buy D3's expansion?
11:23 <@RangerZ> i've been playing lately, and its actually fun... how dare they
11:23 <@RangerZ> lol
11:23 <@Mirage> Is that out?
11:23 <@Dagmar> Probably
11:23 <@Dagmar> I know they had like a 200% XP weekend or something to celebrate
11:23 <@Dagmar> I've not even bothered to check out Loot 2.0
11:24 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: yes I did, but I haven't had time to look at it
11:24 <@Wilpig> Mirage: it will be out tonight at midnight?
11:24 <@Wilpig> the 25th?
11:24 <@Wilpig> what is today?
11:24 <@RangerZ> yeah tonight at midnight EST
11:24 <@Mirage> monday
11:24 <@RangerZ> the 24th
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11:29 <@Mirage> "Adventure Mode" is supposed to add in the random maps that all the other version had by default, right?
11:30 <@Dagmar> There's non-random maps?
11:34 <@Mirage> I guess i didn't play enough the second run through to see much of anything change after beating it the first time.  The maps all seemed the same to me..some areas had variation, but not enough to make it interesting.  The objectives seemed to be in the same place.
11:35 <@Dagmar> They were about the only parts of the maps that weren't variable
11:36 <@RangerZ> i really didn't look too much into adventure mode, but it seems to be more of a 'clear the waves' of monsters type thing, but i'm not sure
11:37 <@Mirage> I definitely never saw the kind of variation between runs that you'd see in Diablo and Diablo 2.
11:38 <@RangerZ> ahh, adventure mode = story has been removed, and you can just keep moving from place to place without having to deal with BS missions
11:38 <@RangerZ> Mirage: apparently the new act has a lot more randomization to it
11:39 <@RangerZ> but thats just what they said, i'll tell you in a few days or so
11:39 <@Mirage> I'll probably buy it. if nothing else, just because i've played all the other diablo titles/expansions
11:43 <@Bahhumbug> I wonder how many tens of millions they make off of people that do just that; buy the new content just because they've played all the rest.
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12:29 <@Corydon76-home> <facepalm>  Davidson county clerk is running renewals processing as root.
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12:37 <@shapr> klixa: hi!
12:37 <@klixa> hey shapr
12:37 <@klixa> vegas baby!
12:43 <@shapr> You're in Vegas? Sounds exciting!
12:44 <@shapr> But you can't tell us what happens there, right?
12:51 <@klixa> lol
12:52 <@shapr> I had some adventures in Vegas
12:54 <@klixa> too bad you cant tell us about them
12:55 <@Dagmar> wheeee
12:55 <@klixa> im here for a month...so...guess i wont be talking much
12:56 <@Dagmar> Maybe if they didn't want em running diagnostic collections on a dozen machines at once they shouldn't have given me a list of a dozen machines at once
12:57 <@klixa> hmmm...so the secret to getting Dagmar to do things is lists
12:57  * klixa hans a list to Dagmar saying 'get klixa a lattte
12:57 <@Mirage> Just tell him that it can't be done, he'll be forced to do it in order to prove you wrong.
12:58 <@Dagmar> Someone got a look at my screens over here
12:58 <@klixa> Mirage: heh
12:58 <@Dagmar> I'm kicked back trimming my nails.  Windows scrolling like mad.
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13:09 < Dolemite> I'll be in Vegas in 4 weeks.  Apparently you're prepping the town for my awesomeness.
13:12 <@klixa> Dolemite: im not sure 4 weeks is enough time then Dolemite
13:12 < Dolemite> true dat
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13:13 <@klixa> Dolemite: how's the contest going? (or if its alredy over how did it go)
13:14 < Dolemite> The contest is a fucking joke and I've got 18 more days of free food to shovel in
13:15 < Dolemite> The "administrator" of the contest has fucked up a lot of peoples numbers, including mine, and has yet to fix all of the errors.  Our best guess is that she tried to sort her spreadsheet and didn't sort the whole region - only one column
13:15 <@Wilpig> how is it a joke?
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13:16 < Dolemite> Additionally, they also allowed contestants who weren't even classified as overweight, so even though they can't lose a large number of pounds, any that they do lose are a huge percentage - which is what they're basing the points off of
13:16 <@klixa> Dolemite: thats kinda not fair :/
13:17 < Dolemite> The current leader is a 125 lb. marathon runner who hired a personal trainer to kick her ass at the gym every day.  I ask you, how is that a good testimony for Genghis Grill?
13:17 <@Dagmar> Umm...
13:17 <@shapr> umm
13:17 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't worry about that much
13:17 < Dolemite> But yeah, I'm just enjoying my free food while I #shillforthegrill
13:17 <@klixa> Dolemite: well on the bright side you got free food and lost some weight :)
13:18 < Dolemite> I'm losing my 2-4 lbs. per week and by next February I will be at my target weight
13:18 <@Dagmar> If they lose 25 pounds they're likely to be heading for the ER
13:18 < Dolemite> Dagmar: She didn't lose 25 pounds, but she did drop 15% body weight in the first 30 days
13:19 < Dolemite> I lost more pounds, but only a third of the percentage
13:19 <@Dagmar> So she lost 18 pounds.
13:19 <@shapr> klixa: Hey, I'm down from a 42 inch waist to a 36 inch waist in only six months!
13:19 <@klixa> shapr: yay :)
13:19 <@klixa> shapr: although thats only a half yay
13:20 <@shapr> Why only half?
13:20 <@shapr> oh, right
13:20 <@shapr> reasons
13:20 <@klixa> yeah
13:22 <@klixa> i have become an espresso addict as oppoed to coffee... which costs lke 3x as much :/
13:41 < Dolemite> And you should drink less than 1/3 of, by volume
13:51 <@Dagmar> You need to order the "coffee flavored coffee"
13:51 <@klixa> then i can go talk to a haiku riting motherfucker
14:13 <@Dagmar> Yes.   Explain to them that thrift stores actually aren't a good place to shop for attractive clothing.
14:16 <@klixa> well, that's the problem you see... they aren't like us... they want to be _un_attractive o.O so, it requires altering their entire world view
14:16 <@Dagmar> There's a much easier way to fix that,
14:17 <@Dagmar> ALl they ahve to do so is say "I've been feeling like experimenting with being a hipster, and I'd like you to take this cricket bat and beat it out of me."
14:18 <@Dagmar> I've got oodles of time to help the afflicted with their self-improvement efforts.
14:18  * klixa orders some cricket bats
14:18 <@Dagmar> My favorite is sticking my fingers through the earholes
14:18 <@klixa> here, go save the word from hipsters
14:18 <@Dagmar> What are they going to do about it?  *nothing*
14:19 <@klixa> those ear hols are disgusting
14:19 <@Dagmar> heh
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14:32 < notlarry> ok
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15:11 <@Dagmar> There we go.
15:11 <@Dagmar> That should be fun.
15:13 <@Dagmar> I just publicly threatened to eat a bunch of climate change deniers.
15:14 <@Dagmar> Like, specifically I told them to keep their neighbors appraised of their whereabouts and their address forms updated, because when we have to resort to cannibalism to make up for the lack of dietary sources caused by the sun roasting all the crops, I'll be making a tour of their homes and bringing the good cutlery.
15:14 <@Dagmar> If you're not a scientist, then you should shut the fuck up about science things, or prepare to be eaten.
15:15 < notlarry> You know the good news about Vanderbilts new health insurance plan?
15:15 <@Dagmar> Nope
15:15 < notlarry> Me either.
15:16 <@Dagmar> I wasn't aware there was any news about it
15:16 < notlarry> The change from BCBC to Aetna
15:22 < notlarry> Since my doctor is is in the Aetna network, but not a Vanderbilt doctor I have to pay my full office visits till I hit the $1k deductable.
15:22 <@Dagmar> So unlike wives, you can have more than one doctor
15:22 < notlarry> It seems that shopping around for a doctor is now a thing in Tenn
15:23 < notlarry> Thinking my Canadian Citizenship is looking better and better.
15:35 <@Mirage> notlarry: that's be the only thing about you looking better
15:35 <@Mirage> s/that's/that'd/
15:46 <@Dagmar> Should be intestingn to see if any of Jason Paisley's idiot climate arguers keep this shit up
15:47 <@Dagmar> I've no intention or expectations of making them change their opinions.
15:47 <@Dagmar> What I'm going to do is make them sorry they were ever involved in such an argument in the first place.
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15:48 <@Wilpig> but Dagmar, snow.
15:48 <@Dagmar> What kind of snow would you like?
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15:48  * Wilpig touches his nose
15:49 <@Dagmar> My favorite victim is the one who claims outright that the human race can't possibly change the climate of the entire planet.
15:49 <@Dagmar> My answer to that is simple.
15:49 <@Dagmar> "Give me ten medium-sized nuclear warheads and I'll show you."
15:50 <@Wilpig> for teh record.  Virgil claims he was shiny in the video because he just got out of the shower and had applied aftershave lotion and it wasn't from anything bukake related.
15:50 <@Dagmar> ...but I'm tired of seeing these dipshits bicker back and forth
15:50 <@Dagmar> It's time to end the argument by making everyone sorry they ever got into it.
15:51 <@Wilpig> I can't see any good coming from you having nukes though
15:51 <@shapr> whee!
15:51 <@shapr> fun bug fix
15:51 <@shapr> couldn't create a unit test to fix it because the UI code was the problem
15:51 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: I assure you I can radically change the climate of the planet with ten of them.
15:51 <@Dagmar> Probably less, actually
15:52 <@Wilpig> which countries would be losing?
15:53 <@Wilpig> OH GOD!
15:53 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure all of them
15:53 <@Wilpig> I just clicked a virgil link at work
15:54 <@Wilpig> http://t.virgil.gr/post/80108228045/people-say-they-like-it-when-i-upload-pictures-of
15:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Virgil's tumblr chatter (at t.virgil.gr)
15:54 <@Dagmar> I ain't clicking on that
15:54 <@shapr> nor will I
15:54 <@shapr> I have not the bravery required.
15:54 <@Wilpig> I haven't scrolled down
15:55 <@shapr> What kind of snow? I want BLUE snow!
16:04 <@shadow404> two blue enter!
16:04 <@shadow404> Wilpig: i bet strick just got a chub
16:07 <@Mirage> Heh, a coworker is about to have a conniption fit because i use `egrep` and `grep -E` interchangably.  Apparently it confuses him.
16:08 <@shadow404> make a random global system value equal the same command for even greater fun
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16:20 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: do hard links also confuse him?  In many cases, they are exactly the same binary.
16:21 <@Dagmar> Hard links are teh evil
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> lol
16:21 <@Dagmar> okay cool
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> I understand why not, but it would be really nice if we could hard link directories.
16:22 < aestetix> So this quora thing has gotten really interesting
16:22 <@Dagmar> *shudder*
16:22 < aestetix> The arguments those guys are using is very eye opening
16:23 < aestetix> They are nearly identical to what Google was saying. "If you don't like it, go somewhere else."
16:23 <@Dagmar> Are they citing the number of kittens that are killed every time someone uses a psudonym
16:23 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure that report was made up
16:24 < aestetix> So what's happening
16:24 < aestetix> Is that I cited evidence against them, they told me the evidence was not valid for them,.
16:24 < aestetix> or relevant to their site
16:25 <@Dagmar> This is why people can't continue to be allowed to conflate identity and reputation
16:26 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: null mounts work just fine for directories
16:27 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: that is ruthlessly evil.  I love it.
16:35 < aestetix> Man
16:35 < aestetix> these guys are the silicon valley equivalent of republicans
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16:39 < notlarry> Mirage: ikr
16:39 <@Dagmar> In other words, they're stupid.
16:40 <@Dagmar> Feel free to cut straight to asking them "So, you feel that axe murderers should have the right to track down and prey upon people they don't like?"
16:40 < notlarry> Dagmar: There is a very nice spot in the North Sea where one nuke at the proper depth should change the climate.
16:40 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: Do tell
16:40 < notlarry> Dagmar: And if what I've read is correct, signifigantly reduce the number of living assholes on the planet.
16:41 < notlarry> Dagmar: Great, I'm gonna have to go google this...
16:41 <@Dagmar> heh
16:42 < notlarry> oop, north atlantic, my bad
16:43 < notlarry> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20011119/
16:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: NASA GISS: Research News: Ocean Circulation Shut Down by Melting Glaciers After Last Ice Age (at www.giss.nasa.gov)
16:44 < aestetix> Dagmar: so those guys are basically not going to listen to anything I say unless I spend a month using their service.
16:45 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure they get a referral bonus for every person they retain to the site
16:45 <@Dagmar> As a company they're hurting for members now
16:45 < aestetix> Well it's like... they accused me of just barging in
16:45 < aestetix> Im like.... go ahead and do a search for my name
16:45 <@Dagmar> Yes and their growth as a site has basically stopped
16:45 < aestetix> Oh?
16:45 < aestetix> Interesting.
16:45 < aestetix> When did that happen?
16:46 <@Dagmar> So the important thing is that they're going to be desperate to do anything to attract more users
16:46 <@Dagmar> Do a little digging into their last year of existance
16:46 < aestetix> It's funny that they're so stubborn about this, then.
16:47 <@Dagmar> I didnt' even know who the fuck they were until you mentioned them, beyond that they seemed like one of those sites on news.ycombinator where the people were all huffing VC money
16:47 < aestetix> got yeah
16:47 <@Dagmar> I imagine by now they can't go to Starbucks without trying to encourage the baristas to use the site
16:47 < aestetix> Yeah. The only reason I mentioned it in here or knew about that chat mself was because a friend of mine who works there let me know about it
16:48 <@ShadowHntr> Dagmar: what did i miss?
16:48 < aestetix> But I do think the feedback I'm getting from them is valuable.
16:48 <@Dagmar> ShadowHntr: huh?
16:48 <@ShadowHntr> the current conversation
16:48 < aestetix> It does sound a bit like "it's my party I'll cry if I want to"
16:48 <@ShadowHntr> i used up my history buffer trying to find out what you're talking about
16:49 < aestetix> ShadowHntr: http://rage-against-quora.quora.com/Real-Names-Redux
16:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Real Names Redux - Rage against Quora - Quora (at rage-against-quora.quora.com)
16:49 <@Dagmar> You didn't buy the PgUp key accessory with this keyboard
16:49 < aestetix> some od the discussion I'm having on there
16:49 <@Dagmar> Ah
16:49 < aestetix> One point seems to be, if someone is convinced they are right, no evidence is going to unconvince them.
16:50 <@ShadowHntr> Dagmar: pgup only goes so far with most clients
16:50 < aestetix> I suspect you guys run into this with religious idiots.
16:50 <@ShadowHntr> aestetix: heard that dozens of times
16:50 <@Dagmar> Holy shit dude
16:50 <@Dagmar> "All users of Quora have to sign up as individuals, but they are free to write answers representing their company or organization. They can state in their answer that they are answering on behalf of a firm if they'd like (just like how you see news articles with quotes from someone in PR at a company)."
16:50 <@Dagmar> I do believe I mentioned this explicitly last night
16:50 <@Dagmar> Good lord
16:51 < aestetix> Dagmar: you mentioned what? The bit about evidence?
16:51 <@ShadowHntr> would a reputation be any better, like what's done on stackexchange?
16:51 <@ShadowHntr> reputation system
16:51 <@Dagmar> The bit that this allows companies to do whatever the fuck they want by simply posting as a "representative"
16:52 < aestetix> ShadowHntr: reputation systems are hard. And one thing is that everyone does them differently, so that persistent reputation is nearly impossible
16:52 <@ShadowHntr> too bad federated identity systems never really got off the ground. :P
16:52 <@ShadowHntr> or am i misusing my terminology
16:52 <@Dagmar> As a person, they're requiring you put up your "personal" reputation as capital, but they are explicitly waiving that for acts of corporate entities
16:52 < aestetix> I'm a bit offended by how quickly those guys are ignoring all my arguments because I haven't made posts on Quora, but 1. it's not my problem 2. it sounds like it won't be their problem soon enough
16:52 <@Mirage> What the hell format is this for identifying an SSL cert? YmEwMGE1YjkkQ049MTAuMTIxLjgwLjM1LENOPUtaT1ZCMDFTQU4wMVNQQSxPVT1DTEFSaWlPTg==
16:53 <@Mirage> It's not a fingerprint or hash...
16:53 <@ShadowHntr> Mirage: um, public key maybe?
16:53 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Looks like a partial PEM encode
16:53 <@ShadowHntr> that sounds about right, but i'm no ssl expert
16:53 <@Dagmar> Clearly it's PEM but what the fuck number is under there, there's no telling without more context
16:53 <@ShadowHntr> maybe it's just a fragment?
16:54 <@brimstone> is it an encoding of the modulus?
16:54 <@Dagmar> That's my htinking... like the last line of hte cert or something because someone doesn't grok thumbnails
16:54  * ShadowHntr retreats - too much math ;)
16:54 <@brimstone> nope, something else: ba00a5b9$CN=10.121.80.35,CN=KZOVB01SAN01SPA,OU=CLARiiON%
16:54 <@ShadowHntr> um
16:54 <@Mirage> Navisphere sticks that "id" into an XML with a copy of the full cert.
16:54 <@ShadowHntr> that sounds more like an LDAP context
16:55 <@brimstone> CLARiiON
16:55 <@ShadowHntr> CN, CN, and OU
16:55 <@ShadowHntr> i remember doing that type of thing to get access to my school's computers in high school, since they used Novell NetWare
16:55 <@Dagmar> lol
16:55 <@ShadowHntr> .CT=kw.hs.ksd,CN=smitha******,OU=ksd,
16:55 <@ShadowHntr> etc.
16:56 <@ShadowHntr> and they properly used it as well
16:56 <@Mirage> brimstone: what'd you run to get that output?
16:56 <@ShadowHntr> i remember all the teachers using GroupWise for groupware and email
16:56 <@ShadowHntr> lol
16:57 <@Mirage> brimstone: that's the Issuer..but with extra info.  I'd think the "ba00a5b9" would be the hash, but it's not.
16:58 <@ShadowHntr> how long is a fingerprint, typically
16:58 <@ShadowHntr> much longer then that, i imagine.
16:58 <@brimstone> Mirage: maybe a serial?
16:59 <@ShadowHntr> are you sniffing traffic on your SAN at work?
16:59 <@ShadowHntr> ;)
16:59 <@brimstone> dunno about the $ delimiter
16:59 <@Mirage> brimstone: nope.. Serial Number: -1174362695
16:59 <@brimstone> o.O negative number?
17:00 <@Mirage> brimstone: yeah..self-signed cert by the hardware.  God forbid a trusted internal CA might be used for certs.
17:00 <@brimstone> Mirage: single CAs are a sham anyway
17:01 < notlarry> Dagmar: I think I'm just making up false memories now.
17:01 <@ShadowHntr> you do that with sites anyway, why not this?
17:02 <@Mirage> brimstone: If we'd had a trusted CA cert installed on this monitoring server and used it for issuing the certs on all the monitored devices, I wouldn't be having the 'invalid cert' errors being thrown left/right.  We've got the cert from the hardware imported and trusted now, but it shouldn't have been necessary.
17:25 <@Mirage> So, has anyone else taken up the reins for GeekNIC?
17:26 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: if we can do it in July, I think that's a possibility
17:27 <@Mirage> Let me know when/if a date is set so I can see if I can swing time off to come out.
17:31 <@oddball> Ah... so Dol has decided he's not doing it anymore?
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17:36 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Just the dates this year didn't work out for his schedule
17:36 < aestetix> vagina
17:36 <@oddball> ah
17:37 <@ShadowHntr> aestetix: flappy bird
17:37 < aestetix> haha
17:38 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: so instead of him trying to organize for an event he won't be able to attend, he has stepped aside
17:39 <@oddball> Which is understandable.
17:41 <@Corydon76-home> I'm happy to participate and call around to hotels and find rates, but I'm not great for organizing activities and stuff like that.
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17:49 <@shadow404> diaf
17:52 <@Dagmar> Heh the climate deniers are steadfastly ignoring me now
17:54 <@shadow404> heh
18:01 <@klixa> there is no such thing as climate
18:33 <@Wilpig> Mirage: jay was hitting me up about doing current river this summer
18:34 < aestetix> Wilpig: btw, will I see you next friday?
18:35 <@Wilpig> gonna try
18:35 < aestetix> cool
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20:04 <@Dagmar> IF IT LOADS this is an interesting proposition http://www.auroracoin.org/
20:05 <@Dagmar> eddyb: Who would have thought a significant portion of 330,000 people hitting a website _all at once_ might pose load problems.  ;)
20:05 <@oddball> heh
20:05 <@Dagmar> Yeah they guy's like "...and it's down."
20:05 <@oddball> So... how did that compus alert test go?
20:06 <@Dagmar> They didn't do the desktop test from what I could tell.
20:06 <@Dagmar> Cowards.
20:07 <@oddball> So... I can see it now.  Actual campus-wide event happens, and the news will pounce on the fact that the "campus alert" system had a complete meltdown.
20:09 <@Dagmar> THey didn't the last time
20:10 <@Dagmar> You do remember one of the major reasons I got the hell out of ITS, right?
20:10 <@Dagmar> They had a VUalert event and they _failed_
20:10 <@Dagmar> _Utterly_
20:10 <@Dagmar> ...and considering I tried to get people to let me prepare for it, _needlessly_.
20:16 < aestetix> Dagmar: that isn't an issue depending on how the website is set up
20:16 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Hence why I wanted to _prepare_ for it.
20:16 <@Dagmar> A couple of virtual nodes bogged down with php, redirection mechanisms, and mod_security was _not_ going to handle potentially 20,000 visitors at once.
20:17 < aestetix> unless those nodes have 32 gigs of ram each
20:17 <@Dagmar> Especially not when the load balancers were configured to only allow 250 connections per second through.
20:17 < aestetix> and ssd drives
20:17 <@Dagmar> A couple of stripped down servers only doing static content would have been able to do it fine.
20:18 < aestetix> although mod_security implies apache, which means there will be a heavy process loadup time
20:18 <@Dagmar> You don't need SSD drives when the entirety of the content is less than a half a meg of data
20:18 < aestetix> oh
20:18 < aestetix> is there any database connection?
20:18 <@Dagmar> Dude I can serve 1,600 requests a second from this box.
20:19 < aestetix> Dagmar: but yes. The reason I'm a sysadmin for a system that doesn't go down is because I spent the first 5-6 months here basically tuning the systems nonstop
20:29 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yes, but wasn't that event a test?
20:31 <@Wilpig> oddball: all the more reason that it should have been more prepared
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20:36 <@Dagmar> oddball: No.  It was *not* a test.
20:37 <@Dagmar> VUPD actually had reason to believe someone might be coming to the medical center with a bomb of some kind
20:37 <@Dagmar> It was appropriate to let the campus body know something _useful_.  ...not show them a server timeout.
20:38 <@oddball> Dagmar: Ah, ok.
20:38 <@Dagmar> So literally when the thing happened, people got notified that a 'device' was coming to the medical center via a large creepy warning display on their computer, which said to click on www.v.e for more information
20:38 <@Dagmar> Maybe 100 people actually saw something
20:39 <@Dagmar> ...out of 33,000 people who got this notification.
20:39 <@oddball> Still... false alert bomb scare... I was thinking of something on the national news level of a school shooting or something.  Where you have a bunch of "experts" analysing the situation.
20:39 <@Dagmar> THey got off _lucky_ in that it wasn't an actual bomb
20:39 <@Dagmar> ...and they continued to refuse to acknowledge that it was a serious problem.
20:40 <@Dagmar> Apparently the only way to make them see tehy have a problem is for some emergency to happen VUPD needs to contact everyone about, and then some people get hurt because ITS promised something they couldn't deliver
20:40 <@Dagmar> I'm not willing to be a part of that.
20:41 <@Dagmar> *FUCK* them
20:41 <@oddball> Yeah... well... these were the same people that bought a new expensive awning to put over the rear door and failed to notice that it funneled the rain onto the electronic keypad.
20:41 <@Dagmar> Oh that was the actions of only one or two people
20:41 <@Dagmar> There's a whole _bunch_ of people who failed involved with VUalert
20:41 <@oddball> Yeah... but it was kind of the general mind set.
20:42 <@Dagmar> Hell, dude... The SMS messages were the only thing that went out properly.
20:42 <@Dagmar> They didn't even look closely at the service agreement they had with the _outside vendor_ to send the alert emails and were initially trying to blame the _45 minute delay_ in sending the emails on the sendmail boxes.
20:43 <@Dagmar> The outside provider was contracted to handle those because they felt Listserv wasn't capable of doing it
20:43 <@Dagmar> ...except Listserv _already_ does mass mails of that magnitude twice a week
20:43 <@oddball> right
20:44 <@Dagmar> If it were left to me, *someone* would have had their ass *fired* or at least see a reduction in responsibilities for that level of failure.
20:45 <@Dagmar> The person I figure is most responsible was made a Director.
20:45 <@oddball> Yeah... that was a royal cock up.
20:46 <@Dagmar> Should the ridiculous happen and he be given seniority over D. Boone in the EAI/ITS final merge to VUIT, I will tender my resignation immediately.
20:46 <@Dagmar> That was just the last straw for me
20:46 <@Dagmar> I will _not_ work under Hogan or Johnson in any capacity until they learn how to be adults and acutally get shit done
20:47 <@Dagmar> Sean told me "On this is just a bunch of drama and it will all blow over" when I talked to him about the settings in the load balancers.
20:47 <@Dagmar> I nearly shit myself
20:48 <@Dagmar> Those were almost _exactly_ his words
20:48 <@Dagmar> The possibility of an explosive on campus has thirty thousand people wandering in circles and fear, and he thinks it's just a bunch of drama.
20:49 <@Dagmar> That's simply irresponsible
20:50 <@oddball> Well, beyond that, it's as simple as "why did we set up a broken system, and why are we keeping a known broken system."
20:50 <@Dagmar> Oh, they were keeping it because the people who fucked it up in the first place were sure it could be fixed.
20:50 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile they people who actually took it seriously were being steadfastly sidelined.
20:51 <@Dagmar> People can play their little political games all they want, but the moment it crosses the line into endangering people's health & welfare it's gone too far
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21:06 <@Dagmar> SuMo_D: Aren't you generally in Vegas?
21:07 <@SuMo_D> Dagmar I went to Middle school and High School there
21:07 <@SuMo_D> haven't really been back in awhile...
21:07 <@Dagmar> Ah okay.  I just figured you might be interested in knowing klixa was there
21:07 <@SuMo_D> klixa did I see you're there now for a bit?
21:07 <@SuMo_D> yeah I saw that mentioned earlier
21:07 <@klixa> SuMo_D: yes, i am here for a few weeks
21:08 <@klixa> staying with a friend
21:08 <@SuMo_D> I left roughly '01 its a totally different town now... but yeah... still home
21:08 <@SuMo_D> I miss red rock
21:08 <@SuMo_D> Oh!
21:08 <@SuMo_D> you should take the little one to Bonnie Springs
21:08 <@Dagmar> I *suspect* Maverick might be able to become a karmic millionaire if he puts this on Reddit https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10009866_671598682885700_305917228_n.jpg
21:08 <@SuMo_D> that would be a fun day trip for you guys
21:08 <@SuMo_D> lots of animals and mountains and fun stuff
21:08 <@klixa> i will have to look into it then
21:09 < notlarry> wtf?
21:09 < notlarry> Literary and Artistic Works"
21:10 < notlarry> well, that did not go well
21:10 <@Dagmar> They wanted you to pose for a "sitting" again?
21:10 <@SuMo_D> its an old ranch, used to be a town, pretty much the closest thing Vegas has to a zoo
21:11 <@SuMo_D> I heard they finally shut down the zoo... :/ and yeah its right next to the red rock look, which is really fun to drive... I used to go up there between my CCHS classes
21:13 < aestetix> vagina
21:15 <@SuMo_D> This place is great too http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g45963-d123923-Reviews-Spring_Mountain_Ranch_State_Park-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html
21:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Spring Mountain Ranch State Park - Las Vegas - Reviews of Spring Mountain Ranch State Park - TripAdvisor (at www.tripadvisor.com)
21:19 <@klixa> SuMo_D: some of the casinos have super huge nice aquariums...i like those a lot
21:20 <@SuMo_D> yeah, the... oh man... the shiny gold one at the end of the strip
21:20 <@SuMo_D> that opened right before I left... they have a  really cool one
21:20 <@SuMo_D> they have the thing where you can walk through the tube with the sharks overhead
21:23 <@SuMo_D> but yeah, hope you're having fun there :)
21:24 <@SuMo_D> The Mirage... that's right
21:24 <@SuMo_D> that's the one with the walk under water aquarium
21:36  * aestetix keels over and dies
22:02 < aestetix> http://valleywag.gawker.com/vc-justifies-investing-in-blue-bottle-coffee-by-calling-1550674682
22:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: VC Justifies Investing in Blue Bottle Coffee By Calling It a Movement (at valleywag.gawker.com)
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22:26 < aestetix> Ok so Dagmar
22:26 < aestetix> Here's a question I've been pondering
22:26 < aestetix> "Are there situations in which it is not harmful, and even helpful, to control the names people are allowed to use?"
22:28 < aestetix> It's challenging because it's ultimately telling a company they have no right to set their own policy.
22:28 <@Dagmar> I can't think of any except in the cases of deliberate impersonation attempts, or flamebaiting
22:29 <@Dagmar> er nevermind
22:29 < aestetix> And I do not believe in telling a company that, for the most part. But what happens if the general public doesn't view them as a company, but a public forum?
22:29 < aestetix> So there's a disparity between what the company does, and how it's perceived.
22:29 <@Dagmar> What they're trying to do is just flawed
22:29 < aestetix> I agree.
22:29 < aestetix> But the question is, do they have to listen to me?
22:30 < aestetix> If the company is a public forum, then yes. If they are a private entity, then no.
22:30 <@Dagmar> Probably not, but I suspect they're somewhat doomed anyway
22:30 < aestetix> Oh yeah. I'm more looking at this as a general theme.
22:30 < aestetix> If I walked into McDonalds and demanded they change their policies, they would laugh at me and show me the door.
22:31 < aestetix> But it is clear to me that McDonalds is a private company, not a forum for free speech.
22:31 < aestetix> Quora/Google/etc are not as clear-cut.
22:45 <@oddball> Well, part of McDonald's business model isn't based on the unsolicited communications of others.
22:45 <@oddball> Do they have to listen to you? nope.  Their sandbox, their rules.
23:25 < aestetix> oddball: they also offer a clear service and charge for it.
23:25 < aestetix> Whereas most of these website things are "free"
23:26 < aestetix> IE if I paid someone to go to a venue, I would not assume I had free speech there, I would assume whoever owned the venue controlled that.
23:44 <@oddball> For some reason, I'm reminded about the fact that Michael Z. Williams was suspended for using the word "chigger."
23:52 < aestetix> yep
23:55 <@oddball> (and yes, he was using it in the correct way.)
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