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03:08 < aestetix> penis
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14:09 < aestetix> Dagmar: http://www.dancesafe.org/get-involved/local-chapters/
14:09 < aestetix> you should start one
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15:53 <@Dagmar> No one dances out here anyumore.   It's all fucking hipster douchebags pogoing
15:53 <@klixa> when did hipsters take over? and how? everytime they are talked about, its people hating on them... who are these people that not only do NOT hate in hpsters but actively decide to be one?!?!
15:54 <@Bahhumbug> Those are called "the insane".
15:54 <@klixa> which leads  me to winder...are hipsters self aware? do they know they are hipsters?
15:54 <@Bahhumbug> Not if you use enough fire.
15:54 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug++
15:55 <@klixa> poising the PBR supply should knock out some
15:55 <@klixa> poisoning*
15:56 <@Dagmar> Yes but that might also affect people who are taste-blind or poor
15:56 <@Bahhumbug> That's a problem... how?
15:56 <@Bahhumbug> Yuo are saving them from continued PBR.
15:56 <@klixa> poor people drink steel reserve
15:57 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Roughly (really, really rough ballpark) how many servers and how many services (and are those primarily active or passive) is nagios handling at VU without crying about it?
16:03 <@Dagmar> 600
16:03 <@Dagmar> It's mainly a matter of the number of service checks
16:03 <@Dagmar> ..and bandwidth
16:04 <@Dagmar> I had to "harden" a lot of those tests to deal with flaky SNMP response because we were having osme issues with a CERTAIN PERSON who was too scaredy to raise the size of the incoming UDP buffers
16:04 <@Dagmar> ...but eventually I just said "fuck it" and jacked up those limits anyway
16:05 <@Dagmar> If you're doing a lot of UDP stuff with gigabit ethernet, the standard buffer sizes _won't_ keep up
16:05 <@Dagmar> 100base-T is what those window buffers are tuned for
16:06 <@Dagmar> I am *not* impressed with the thought that just because SNMP is UDP and packets don't come back occasionally that there's something wrong with UDP.
16:06 <@Dagmar> ...not when the network engineer guys are swearing up and down they don't max out their routeres
16:06 <@Dagmar> *shem*
16:06 <@Dagmar> er *ahem*
16:07 <@Dagmar> Fucktard Hogan was talking about getting a bunch of managers together to "discuss" the "risks" involved before consenting to that change.
16:07 <@Dagmar> There's no way to say this but this way:
16:07 <@Dagmar> Fuck that.
16:08 <@Dagmar> That fat fuck wouoldn't listen to me if I told him the sun was on fire, and getting a room full of idiots together to "discuss" something that didn't have a single fucking clue about would have been a massive waste of everyone's time.
16:08 <@Dagmar> Fucking retards.
16:09 <@Dagmar> I put some quiet little iptables rules in to count packets and see we were definitely hitting the max the original buffer sizes would handle
16:10 <@Dagmar> The only issue with Nagios is if you have multiple data centers, there's no way to have multiple nagios instances automatically figure out which fucking DC is the appropriate one to do the test from
16:19 <@Wilpig> it's about time to get ready to go see amy schumer
16:26 <@Bahhumbug> Does Icinga have support for that?
16:26 <@Bahhumbug> Hogan doesn't seem very technical.  Just sayin'
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16:27 <@Dagmar> Hogan is about as bright as a mechanical mouse.
16:28 <@Dagmar> I told the motherfucker explicitly "flaming computers will fall from the sky" and he thought it wasn't a serious thing I was describing.
16:28 <@Dagmar> This was in relation to our SAN fabric and storage unit being egregiously overloaded.
16:29 <@Dagmar> I knew it was about to overload again, and told him explicitly when it would start bursting into flames two weeks in advance.
16:29 <@Dagmar> He did jack and shit about it.
16:29 <@Dagmar> As a result I got to spend another 48 hours rebooting shit over and over
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> heh
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> Vandy could sure use a gene cleansing.
16:35 <@Dagmar> I'd like to see them give everyone competency exams in the field of their position, and then reshuffle people based on that.
16:35 <@Dagmar> Hogan would be emptying trash cans.
16:41 < aestetix> klixa: Dagmar it's true, we all hate the millennials
16:41 < aestetix> that is, anyone under the age of 25 right now
16:41 <@Dagmar> I don't hate them.
16:41 <@Dagmar> I just think they're a terrible waste of space and oxygen.
16:42 <@Corydon76-home> I don't, either.  I think they make terrific fuck toys.
16:43 < aestetix> So maybe the best word for them is "disposable"?
16:43 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, no, I would never dispose of fuck toys after just one use.
16:43 < aestetix> They are like a more stupid version of the baby boomers
16:43 <@Corydon76-home> Not even.  They just have different priorities
16:44 < aestetix> priorities such as self-indulgence, fad-chasing, sharing stupid photos, getting obsessed and angry over unimportant issues...
16:44 <@Corydon76-home> and given how badly Generation X has fucked over the long term economy, it's not surprising
16:45 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: My generation did the same thing
16:45 <@Corydon76-home> So did the baby boomers.  Remember the 60s?
16:45 <@Corydon76-home> And the 70s?
16:45 <@Corydon76-home> And the 80s?
16:45 < aestetix> So you're saying this is just a thing that 20somethings go through
16:45 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, it is.
16:45 < aestetix> possibly due to the way our marketing economy works
16:46 <@Corydon76-home> It's called growing up, and every generation, with the possible exception of the Depression era kids, did it
16:46 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I think that's the generation it *started* with. Or maybe right after them.
16:46 <@Corydon76-home> Well, the Depression era kids grew up a whole lot faster, because there was no opportunity to be lackadaisical
16:47 < aestetix> Since before then we didn't have this notion of "adolescent"
16:47 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Sure, we did, in the teens and 20s
16:47 <@Corydon76-home> As in, from about 1905-1929
16:48 < aestetix> heh
16:48 <@Corydon76-home> It just skipped a generation, due to the Depression
16:48 < aestetix> What I am saying is that the term itself wasn't created until around 1900
16:49 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, but we always had young people who acted that way, although it wasn't as wide a cultural phenomenon until later
16:49 < aestetix> sure
16:49 < aestetix> But we didn't have an economy that encouraged and praised it
16:50 <@Corydon76-home> It was with the advent of suffrage for women and greater equality amongst the population that it became possible
16:50 < aestetix> The argument I've heard is that it came with compulsory education
16:50 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, I'd say that we had an economy that encouraged and praised it ever since capitalism became prevalent
16:51 <@Corydon76-home> Because the ability for parents to provide beyond the basic means meant that children no longer had to grow up quickly
16:51 < aestetix> Well
16:51 < aestetix> As I have said before, it is not possible for feminism and the nuclear family to coexist
16:52 <@Corydon76-home> Now, the millenials' children will probably have to grow up as quickly as the Depression era kids, because capitalism has run its natural course and very few of those kids will be able to provide for their kids
16:52 < aestetix> Heh.
16:52 < aestetix> Assuming they have kids.
16:53 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: but the problem with the concept of the nuclear family is that it was invented in the 50s with the popularization of television
16:53 <@Wilpig> god damn hard links are handy as fuck sometimes
16:53 <@Corydon76-home> People have NEVER predominantly lived in nuclear families
16:53 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: agreed
16:54 < aestetix> I'm a big fan of cohousing
16:54 < aestetix> For example, I'd love to have a kid, but I do not want to have to raise it
16:54 < aestetix> So if I could have a kid, and have it raised by the people in the house who love raising kids, I'd be happy
16:54 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: well, not just that, but elderly grandparents, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, etc.
16:54 < aestetix> right
16:55 < aestetix> Adults who are able to can work, and the grandparents can teach lessons to the kids
16:55 <@Corydon76-home> Somebody in every family has always had the case of not being able to take care of themselves independently and had to cohabitate with other family
16:55 < aestetix> That also goes into the question of where the housing market comes from
16:55 < aestetix> Because I'm pretty sure the idea of moving out of your parents place and buying your own house is really new
16:56 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: btw, going back to an earlier point, if the millenials don't have kids in as large numbers as their predecessors, that in itself could spell doom for the current Social Security system
16:56 < aestetix> True, true.
16:56 < aestetix> Well I don't think they will. For one, they are all burdened by student loans, with a shitty job economy.
16:57 < aestetix> It's hard enough to pay your own bills, let alone raise a family.
16:57 <@Corydon76-home> So most will likely wait until 30 to start a family, if they do at all
16:57 <@Corydon76-home> But even then, consider that a lot of people are "surprised" by the arrival of kids
17:05 < aestetix> Unrealted
17:05 < aestetix> http://imgur.com/a/J6mo2
17:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mustang Free Bookstore - Imgur (at imgur.com)
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17:55 <@Shadow404> whats up freaks and geeks
17:55 <@Shadow404> see what i did there....its a ryhyme
17:58 <@Shadow404> aestetix: not all of us have student loan debt
18:24 < aestetix> Shadow404: you're under 25?
18:25 < aestetix> student debt got way worse in the last 5-10 years
18:31 < aestetix> Shadow404: do you cleanse your colon before butt play?
18:40 < aestetix> hmmm
18:40 < aestetix> http://www.dailydot.com/technology/julie-ann-horvath-quits-github-sexism-harassment/
18:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Daily Dot - Sexist culture and harassment drives GitHubs first female developer to quit (at www.dailydot.com)
18:40 < aestetix> So I haven't completely finished reading about this, but I'm trying to figure out what the specific incidents were.
18:41 < aestetix> "I didn't like his tone" is not an incident. "He kept asking to see my tits even after I told him to stop" absolutely is.
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19:19 <@Dagmar> aestetix: There's rather a lot to be said of somsone feeling the need to vent anonymously
19:20 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Also, being pro-Adria == not right
19:21 < aestetix> Dagmar: yes, but that wasn't anonymously
19:21 < aestetix> github was named
19:21 < aestetix> Had she posted this on a website without naming herself, that would be one thing.
19:22 <@Dagmar> WEll, I suppsoe they could have taken all proper nouns out but then it's kind of hard to talk
19:22 < aestetix> Or said she's dealing with a lot of issues, but didn't mention where, that's also something.
19:22 <@Dagmar> No, it was someone other than her who started using iSecret
19:22 < aestetix> Instead, she quit her job and shamed github in the process.
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19:22 < aestetix> iSecret?
19:22 <@Dagmar> Yes the greenshirt thing halfway down the article
19:22 <@Dagmar> That was someone bitching about her
19:22 < aestetix> oh right
19:23 < aestetix> Ohhhhhhh.
19:23 < aestetix> But was that posted before or after this became public?
19:23 <@Dagmar> But this does sound rather like she's managed to burn enough bridges that she's quitting before being fired
19:23 <@Dagmar> Before
19:23 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/444646082857820160/photo/1 this right?
19:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / nrrrdcore: .@getsecret told me they took ... (at twitter.com)
19:24 <@Dagmar> aestetix: She wasn't named there.  ...and I rather feel like her wanting that person silenced is a bit of censorship
19:24 < aestetix> right
19:24 < aestetix> Ok I misinterpreted what you said
19:25 < aestetix> I thought you were suggesting that Julie whatever should not have needed to vent anonymously.
19:25 <@Dagmar> Nope
19:25 < aestetix> Which was quite confusing
19:25 < aestetix> So yeah I agree with you
19:26 < aestetix> If that post was not in fact accurate, right now there would be people popping up and saying "uh, whoever that was was talking out of their ass"
19:35 < aestetix> Dagmar: https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/444662613020913665
19:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / nrrrdcore: The shitty thing about all ... (at twitter.com)
19:35 <@klixa> aestetix: i found a way to increase productivity:  Pegina
19:36 <@Dagmar> That sounds like some futanari crap to me
19:39 < aestetix> ugh
19:40 < aestetix> https://medium.com/the-magazine/4c423793a831
19:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hacked Off — The Magazine on Medium — Medium (at medium.com)
19:57 <@Dagmar> She stepped up as the biggest badass of crypto when she founded CryptoParty
19:57 <@Dagmar> If she weren't up her own asshole over listening to the feminist dipshits, she'd realize _that_ was why she got hassled.
19:58 <@Dagmar> *I'd* fucking get hassled if I did that
19:59 <@Dagmar> But nooo.... instead of realizing it would happen to _anyone_ who doesn't make an effort to lead _from the shadows_ she decided it _had_ to be because she's a girl
20:00 <@Dagmar> If she said *one thing* about crypto that someone thought was even a little bit wrong, she was going to get targeted for it
20:00 <@Dagmar> Doesn't matter if she was a girl or not
20:00 <@Dagmar> She doesn't realize that the overwhelming thing is that these fuckers are insane-o jackasses when it comes to anyone who they think has broken clue
20:01 <@Dagmar> If you try to run something that would presume you have a special skill, you'd better be ready to _defend_ that impression
20:42 <@klixa> hmm, i didn't know that "she who must not be named" has an alternate identity as the founder of crypto party
20:44 <@Dagmar> Different person
20:44 <@klixa> i know
20:44 <@klixa> but they share a spirit
20:44 <@klixa> "No, women stay the hell away from hacker spaces, conferences, and tech initiatives because of ongoing experiences of misogyny, abuse, threats, put-downs, belittlement, harassment, rape.”"
20:44 <@klixa> cant forget the rape
20:45 <@Dagmar> "Victim mentality"
20:45 <@Dagmar> You know, in some cities, you can be raped three times before you even get to your mailbox.
20:45 <@Dagmar> It's that bad.
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20:46 <@klixa> sweden is becoming that way
20:46 <@klixa> i hear
20:47 <@Dagmar> Dear fucking god http://www.wtvf.com/story/24985283/chicago-river-dyed-green-for-st-patricks-day
20:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: Chicago River Dyed Green For St. Patrick's Day - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports (at www.wtvf.com)
20:47 <@Dagmar> Some people are just not very smart
20:50 <@brimstone> "The union has done the dyeing since 1962"
20:50 <@brimstone> i hear the chicago river is pretty dead anyway
20:51 <@Dagmar> Hmm... WONDER WHY THAT IS
20:56 < aestetix> http://tomnichols.net/blog/books-articles-etc/
20:56 < aestetix> This guy has had some fascinating comments on the Ukraine thing.
21:20 <@sdodson> they dye rivers green all over the place
21:28 <@shapr> klixa: wat?!
21:28 <@klixa> shapr: me and benthemeek were just talking about you and math duality
21:29 <@klixa> like literally just now
21:29 <@eryc> WHOA
21:30 <@klixa> ikr
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22:03 <@shapr> srsly?
22:04 <@shapr> klixa: you confuse me
22:04 <@klixa> yes seriosly... anyway, sorry i confuse you :/
22:20 <@Wilpig> That was a good show
22:30 < aestetix> klixa: do you sit down to pee?
22:30 < aestetix> The main reason I ask is how women forget to flush after they pee
22:31 <@klixa> aestetix: yes i sit down
22:31 < aestetix> guys I can see... you piss, shake it off, then wander away
22:31 <@klixa> theres only logical explanation imo
22:31 <@klixa> thats if you go right after someone and its still filling uo with wtaer
22:31 <@klixa> so you wash uyour hands first
22:31 <@klixa> then forget
22:32 < aestetix> why woudl you wash your hands first
22:32 <@klixa> bored...waiitng
22:33 < aestetix> I mean have you encountered this?
22:33 < aestetix> The telltale sign is a piece of toilet paper floating in an otherwise virgin toilet
22:38 <@Wilpig> aestetix: the urinals we have at the dc you don't flush.  nasty things don't use water at all
22:43 < aestetix> Are they just like tin cans?
22:45 <@Wilpig> they are like normal urinals just with some weird valve on them
22:46 <@Wilpig> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Waterless_urinal_%28Armitage_Shanks,_UK%29.jpg
22:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: File:Waterless urinal (Armitage Shanks, UK).jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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23:53 <@Dagmar> Amusing.
23:54 <@Dagmar> Some spoofers made three links that go all the way around the globe somehow
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