--- Log opened Wed Mar 12 00:00:02 2014
00:00 <@klixa> i dont know how to play...sooo theyd be right
00:00 <@oddball> Oh, I know. :)
00:00 <@klixa> :)
00:01 <@oddball> Oh... funny story... JonnyX and she showed up to the Hypericon meeting this past Saturday.  They were talking about flaming Wilpig in channel or something, and Naienko blurted out "no, no, if you're going to flame anyone, flame Anarchival."
00:02 <@klixa> lmfao
00:02 <@oddball> Of course, she's not a raging bitch in person...
00:02 <@klixa> oddball: yeah i learned me and her have a jnutal RL friend
00:02 <@klixa> and i was all HOW CAN YOU STAND HER
00:02 <@klixa> and he was all "shes sane irl"
00:02 <@klixa> and i was all O-O
00:03 <@klixa> mutual*
00:03 <@klixa> why do they wanna flame Wilpig? wtf did he do?
00:04 <@oddball> Because, honestly, Wilpig has been a bit of an ass lately.  Also, a lot of what JonnyX knows about the stuff going on in channel has been from what she's told him, so....
00:05 <@klixa> Wilpig is a sweet precious angel; they are evil
00:06 <@oddball> Wait... I just realized that she's a walking embodiment of the greater internet fuckwad theory.
00:06  * klixa gets SuMo_D to help her make t-shirts
00:06  * klixa puts on a Team Wilpig shirt
00:06  * klixa tosses the team anarchival+johnnyx ones on the floor for whoever wants them
00:07 <@klixa> oddball: i think thats part of it..the other part is she has a few select people she acts sane around
00:08 <@klixa> so that when people tell them what she did they are like "nah, shed never do that"
00:08 <@klixa> she sucks up to people in control...like 2600 officers and stuff
00:09 <@oddball> No... I've hung out with her before/after meetings.  She behaves like a decent person in meat space.
00:09 <@klixa> weird
00:10 <@oddball> But, apparently, get her behind a keyboard and.... flaming asshole!
00:11 < aestetix> what's new pussycat
00:12 <@klixa> oh oho oho oh oh oh
00:12 <@oddball> aestetix: Apparently you showing up got klixa a bit over excited.
00:13  * aestetix hands klixa a towel
00:13 <@klixa> thats the next line of the song :|
00:16 <@oddball> I like my interpretation better. :p
00:17 <@SuMo_D> aestetix did you see the article I posted up there for you?
00:17 <@SuMo_D> it made me really happy to see Richard Serra on the list
00:18 < aestetix> yes
00:18 <@SuMo_D> and yeah.... she may be sane irl but I don't buy it... I think klixa's estimation of the situation with her trying hard to be sane with certain people at certain times makes sense
00:18 <@klixa> SuMo_D:  <3
00:18 < aestetix> SuMo_D: and uh.... yes, entitled google genertion kids should read that
00:19 < aestetix> It reminds me of the raver kids who said they wanted to be a professioanl dj
00:19 < aestetix> where most of the DJs I knew and booked had day jobs doing something else
00:19 <@SuMo_D> well where I went to art school it was pretty much a tenet that you would be multi-occupational
00:19 < aestetix> everything from tech to retail
00:19 <@SuMo_D> yep
00:20 <@oddball> SuMo_D: That's a distinct possibility.
00:21 <@SuMo_D> at SMFA it was really pushed, hey... you are an ARTIST in all your life, but yeah... its long hard road to get people to get your vision and making it work in multiple ways isn't "selling out" but you gotta choose what way works for you... just make it fuckin' work
00:21 < aestetix> yep
00:21 <@SuMo_D> but our school treated you as adults/artists day one
00:21 < aestetix> The challenge is that it's hard to do it, and a lto of people stop making art
00:21 <@SuMo_D> that's why so many people dropped out... I donno its changed though
00:22 <@SuMo_D> yeah I donno if its still true, but there as a book out some 10 years ago that took a survey that somethingly stupid like 90% of people with "art" degrees didn't make any kind of art 10 years out.... which... I could totally see
00:22 < aestetix> well
00:22 < aestetix> that's on them
00:22 <@oddball> There is a nasty tendency for people to be more themselves online where they feel like they don't have to worry as much about what others thinks... and it turns out that a lot of people are assholes.
00:23 <@SuMo_D> and by its changed I mean SMFA... last time I was there... it was more, errr... traditionalish? - it used to be it was really hard to get into... but then once you were in it was a free for all... you really had to pester teachers or get introductions to get into their classes - putting portfolios in their face.... had to organize your own shit every step of the way
00:24 <@SuMo_D> great training... for ya know... what you're going to do for the rest of your life if you're actually going to be an artist and make it work
00:24 <@SuMo_D> but yeah they dropped their standards a lot the last year I was there... cause they needed more money :( - and its.... different
00:25 <@SuMo_D> larger classes, not as many teachers, required core... bleh
00:25 < aestetix> SMFA?
00:25 <@SuMo_D> it was fucking traumatizing... but it was worth the experience... I donno I hope the kids going through now will say the same
00:25 < aestetix> something fine arts?
00:25 <@SuMo_D> School of the Museum of Fine Arts Boston + Tufts
00:25 < aestetix> ahhh
00:26 <@SuMo_D> aka the Museum school
00:26 <@SuMo_D> famous for no majors, and great artists... David Lynch was there for awhile
00:26 <@SuMo_D> Nan Goldin
00:27 <@SuMo_D> Cy Towmbly.... shit... I wish somebody would pay me to do Cy Twombly type drawings my whole life... that'd be awesome
00:27 <@SuMo_D> maybe one day...
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00:29 <@SuMo_D> Like I looooove this http://oaj.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/3/484/F9.large.jpg
00:30 <@SuMo_D> but trying to actually ummm sell that to the general public with a straight face.... well...
00:31 <@klixa> ok, in my best redneck voice "MY 3 YER OLD CCOULD MAKE THAT"
00:32 <@klixa> seriously tho, SuMo_D WHY do you love something like that? You dont feel the artist is duping us into thinking its art... and like laughing at us?
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00:32 <@oddball> That's kind of the way I feel about most modern art.
00:33 <@SuMo_D> no, its amazing
00:33 <@klixa> oddball: me too
00:33 <@klixa> SuMo_D: why is it amazing? explain this
00:33 <@SuMo_D> the feeling behind it
00:33 <@SuMo_D> the immediacy
00:34 <@klixa> i dont see either of those things
00:34 <@SuMo_D> the complexity of the drips yeah, love
00:34 <@klixa> what i see is "hmm... i wanna paint something...but i have no actual artisitc skill... so, hmm... tra lalalalalal"
00:35 <@SuMo_D> yeah, I know... and many people will agree with you, but I don't
00:35 < aestetix> you know it's funny
00:35 <@klixa> one example of my art to show i dont expect things to be uber reliastic http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs18/f/2007/131/4/3/masked_Bryce_by_xkldskpx.jpg
00:36 <@klixa> i dont like Polluck either
00:36 < aestetix> I hear people blaming capitalism for not being able to do what they want (art)
00:36 < aestetix> but then, often in situations where there's an art grant, the people who are able to do it don't
00:36 <@klixa> Pollock*
00:36 <@SuMo_D> and yeah... that's why I'm like... I make some shit like this, but yeah.... put it out there selectively cause yeah.... don't want to have this conversation
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00:37 <@SuMo_D> aestetix grants take money - application fees
00:37 <@oddball> klixa: I would pay for a hang yours a hell of a lot faster than the previous on.
00:37 <@SuMo_D> and only 2-3% get them
00:37 < aestetix> but what I'm getting at
00:37 < aestetix> Is that if someone is totally subsidized to make art
00:38 < aestetix> It's no guarantee they *will* make art
00:38 <@SuMo_D> yeah, you know the Netherlands has totally subsidized artists
00:38 <@SuMo_D> there's always the joke about the warehouses of state sponsored paintings
00:39 <@SuMo_D> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/255202_422026967834868_1812984600_n.jpg
00:39 < aestetix> uh
00:39 < aestetix> Is that a famous or respected painting? Before I make my comment about it
00:39 <@SuMo_D> go ahead
00:40 < aestetix> It looks like someone shat bloody poo all over a tree branch :p
00:40 <@klixa> that looks like my test pages
00:40 <@klixa> like when i get new paint or brishes
00:40 < NoFault> lol
00:40 <@klixa> and just wanna kidna see how they act
00:40 <@klixa> i should start uploading mine and selling them
00:40 < aestetix> And now I get to find out it is some million dollar painting
00:40 <@klixa> done by a 5 year old raised by chimpanzees
00:41 <@klixa> on a boat...while eating a plum
00:41  * klixa likes the colors tho
00:43 <@klixa> i think both painting would make neat backgournds...but as standalone pieces i just think stuff is missing
00:44 < aestetix> klixa: yeah, context always matters
00:45 <@Corydon76-home> Honestly, I think a lot of the art world is nothing more than an "Emperor has no clothes" situation.
00:45 < aestetix> (this is why I hate the ada inititiave.... there's no such thing as sexual language without context)
00:45 <@SuMo_D> yeah words are words
00:45 <@klixa> SuMo_D: i just want to say everyone likes different things, and even though i dont like either of those...someone does (like you) and i am sure we all like things you dont.. i do appreciate you sharing
00:46 <@SuMo_D> yep :) rock on
00:47 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: you don't think some people "appreciate" art, simply because it's "supposed" to be good, even when it looks like shit?
00:47 < aestetix> well
00:47 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: yes... but its kind of like country music.. you dont like the new pop stuff... whereas I do... so some people just genuinely like some things that otehrs dont
00:48 < aestetix> painting association can be a lot like word association
00:48 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: but in all fields, there are people liking stuff just to fit in
00:48 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: is that like developing a crush on someone because you heard they have a crush on you?
00:50 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: not really.  Crushes are temporary and involve no parting of a sucker and his money
00:50 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I think that is patently untrue.
00:50 < aestetix> Let's say I have a crush on someone, she knows it, and lets me buy her all kinds of stuff.
00:50 <@Corydon76-home> Crushes are by definition temporary
00:50 < aestetix> Well yes
00:50 < aestetix> The parting of money is what I take issue with
00:50 <@klixa> its nothing like a crush tho
00:51 <@klixa> its about fitting in with the status quo
00:51 <@klixa> "oh, al the other peopel like this...i must like it too to fit in"
00:51 < aestetix> klixa: yeah, btu how do you know if you really like something?
00:51 <@Corydon76-home> Precisely
00:52 <@klixa> aestetix: i think that's just something you know...usually... though someitmes you can be indecisive and not know
00:52 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I like things independently of what other people think
00:52 < aestetix> But take country music. Do you like newer stuff because it's good, or because it's better than older stuff?
00:52 < aestetix> Er, I got that in reverse.
00:53 < aestetix> And further, would you dislike new pop country music if you didn't have old music to compare it to?
00:53 <@klixa> i think that was directed at Corydon76-home, but as for me...i hear a song, i ether liek it or i dont....i dont htink about anythign else...its either pleasing or is not
00:53 <@Corydon76-home> I don't necessarily dislike the music.  I just think it's not country music.
00:54 < aestetix> You know
00:54 <@Corydon76-home> Dierks Bentley is indistinguishable from Justin Bieber
00:54 < aestetix> I just realized this is a bit of the Monty Hall problem
00:54 <@klixa> i have no issue with bieber Corydon76-home
00:54 < aestetix> Three doors, you open one, and are able to decide if you want to open another one
00:54 < aestetix> Does the closed door make your open door less appealing?
00:55 <@klixa> as for Dierks, i just really like that I hold on song... and i love this whole idea of having "jangle" in ones pocket
00:55 <@klixa> but mostly, super pretty melody
00:55 <@klixa> give me gooseumps
00:56 <@klixa> it physiologically affects me
00:56 <@Corydon76-home> Do geese get people bumps?
00:57 <@klixa> im gonn ago out on a limb and say no
00:57 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: how much of your enjoyment from sex comes because of the guy its with, versus how good his asshole feels?
00:58 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: the two are inseparable and not distinguishable
00:58 < aestetix> even if someone is really loose versus really tight?
00:59 <@Corydon76-home> If someone is really tight, I'm not having sex with him anyway
00:59 <@SuMo_D> Ok I gotta sleep night you guys - but I'll leave you with this - again... loves... http://media.voir.ca/pictures/41/41800_3.jpg
00:59 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z10lijMYVQw
00:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Thomas Hirschhorn - Its Burning Everywhere - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:00 <@notlarry> Dagmar: ping
01:00 <@SuMo_D> One of my favorites.... he a good job of talking about it there
01:00 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: have you ever had someone fart on your dick?
01:00 <@notlarry> klixa: you have been going down a lot tonight
01:00 <@notlarry> I mean your connection.
01:00 <@Corydon76-home> It's one of the downsides of having a big dick
01:00 <@SuMo_D> (not the same installation, but love them both Jumbo Spoons Big Cake is freakin' awesome though, the pic doesn't do it justice)
01:01 <@klixa> notlarry: the other night you pulled out....
01:01 <@klixa> notlarry: your fb frend request
01:01 <@klixa> :P
01:01 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: ok now I don't believe you
01:01 < aestetix> You might have to show your dick to notlarry to get a 3rd party verification
01:01 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Worse.  I've plumbed a guy deep enough to dislodge fecal matter, which ends it for me
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01:02 < aestetix> WAit, he wasn't totally cleansed?
01:02  * klixa covers hers eyes
01:02 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: You're welcome to come to Nashville, and I'll stick my dick in your mouth, and you can appreciate how big it is.  That work?
01:03 < aestetix> So do you have a long dick, or did he have a little ass?
01:03  * klixa covers aestetix 's eyes too
01:03 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Unfortunately, some guys don't
01:03 <@Corydon76-home> and usually they're the ones who eat lots of meat, so it's especially disgusting
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01:04 < aestetix> Seems like there's a hanky code for that
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01:04 < aestetix> klixa: do you know?
01:05 <@klixa> know what?
01:05 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I'm of the opinion that the only proper place for fecal matter is in the toilet
01:06 <@Corydon76-home> That said, I've met a few guys who enjoy being pissed on
01:47 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: have you ever tasted poo by accident?
01:47 <@klixa> aestetix: have you?
01:47 <@klixa> or was it on purpose?
01:50 < aestetix> no
01:53 <@klixa> aestetix: why do you ask personal/vulgar questions? do you want to know the answers of varios people or do you like to see where people's sharing limits are, or both? or neither?
01:54 <@klixa> and since you live in the bay... Have you ever had sex on the BART?
01:55 < aestetix> hehe
01:56 < aestetix> klixa: Corydon76-home said he was shameless, so to him I suspect they are not vulgar.
01:56 < aestetix> And actually no. BART is not really sanitary.
01:57 <@klixa> it's not sanitary cause too many people have sex on it :|
01:58  * klixa has never taken the  bart
02:03 < aestetix> klixa: and trust me, I could ask way more sensitive questions.
02:30 <@klixa> aestetix: i know...tho you never answered why you ask
02:37 <@Bahhumbug> Trolling is as trolling does?
02:37 <@notlarry> klixa: I could give you the bart
02:38 <@notlarry> klixa: I mean, if you think you could take it.
02:38 <@klixa> notlarry: i think the unicorn horn was already more than i could handle
02:39  * klixa thinks aestetix and notlarry are both the kinda people that would like Frank Zappa
02:40 <@notlarry> I bailed on a frank zappa concert cause the lesbian I was dating broke her ankle playing soccer
02:40 <@notlarry> Sold the tickets 15 minutes after the show started for more than I paid for them.
02:41 <@klixa> i used to listen to Joe's Garage when I was 12; my parents let me borrow it...thats when i realised i had bad parents
02:42 <@notlarry> "It was the darkest night, there was no moon in sight.  You know the stars weren't shining cause the skies too tight."
02:42 <@notlarry> "Why does it hurt when I pee? Why does it hurt when I pee?"
02:43 <@notlarry> I remember finding a vhs rental place in Alabama that had "Baby Snakes."
02:45 <@notlarry> Well, if you are not going to send me nekid pics I'm going back to league...
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07:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:02 <@Wilpig> damnit
08:02 <@Wilpig> my vpn login is all fucked this morning
08:05 <@Dolemite> derp
08:06 <@RangerZ> that damn clown pr0n always does it doesn't it... always changes your firewall settings
08:06 <@Shadow404> or other pron that wilpig is blind too
08:09 <@Wilpig> the login window won't show on screen.
08:09 <@Wilpig> I wish it were something as simple as firewall settings
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09:06 <@Shadow404> tumblr app is so laggy/buggy in feed view on android
09:08 <@Wilpig> Shadow404: https://www.tumblr.com/docs/en/android   email link at the bottom
09:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Push Notifications - Android Devices | Tumblr (at www.tumblr.com)
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09:10 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: not the issue
09:10 <@Wilpig> that is the quickest way into support.  :P
09:10 <@Wilpig> I know that isn't your issue
09:11 <@Shadow404> it loads the first two images on my feed, then the rest are blank
09:11 <@Wilpig> "email link at the bottom"
09:11 <@Wilpig> illiterate fuck
09:11 <@Shadow404> yeah, i just use browsrr in mobile mode
09:11 <@Shadow404> works fine
09:12 <@Wilpig> Shadow404: https://www.tumblr.com/docs/en/android
09:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Push Notifications - Android Devices | Tumblr (at www.tumblr.com)
09:12 <@Wilpig> click link
09:12 <@Shadow404> app is good for replies anf notifications though
09:12 <@Wilpig> click "email support"
09:12 <@Wilpig> my bad "Email us here"
09:12 <@Shadow404> nah, workaround is fine
09:12 <@Shadow404> illiterate fuck u say?
09:13 <@Wilpig> I didn't copy the words from the page exactly.  I knew the intention, asshat
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09:19 <@Shadow404> hehe
09:19 <@Shadow404> my intention is use the workaround
09:22 <@Shadow404> besides im just looking at pron at work anyways
09:23 <@brimstone> "workaround"
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09:23 < Synx|hm> I'm not sure how i feel about COSMOS
09:23 <@Shadow404> i havent seen the new one yet
09:23 <@Shadow404> was only on subscription chanels
09:24 < Synx|hm> ?
09:24 < Synx|hm> i got it OTA
09:25 < Synx|hm> it should have aired OTA and then also on NatGeo
09:27 < Synx|hm> aside... how the fuck have they not found MH370 yet!?!
09:28 <@Shadow404> grr, wasnt on fox here
09:28 <@Shadow404> and im ota as well
09:29 <@Shadow404> they wre showing a singing show rerun
09:29 <@Shadow404> more important or higher rating probably
09:29 < Synx|hm> that sucks
09:30 < Synx|hm> i cut the cord about 7 years ago :)
09:30 <@Shadow404> love atlanta market viewers.....
09:30 < Synx|hm> i assure you it cannot be worse than the viewers in Shreveport
09:30 <@Shadow404> yeah, got rid of it 2years ago
09:30 <@Shadow404> oh joy $3 bucks on amazon
09:31 <@Shadow404> even with prime
09:31 < Synx|hm> check usenet
09:32 < Synx|hm> id send you what i dvr'd but its not mpeg2 and HUGE
09:32 <@eryc> http://www.buzzfeed.com/mrloganrhoades/man-goes-to-magic-the-gathering-tournament-poses-next-to-but
09:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: Man Goes To "Magic: The Gathering" Tournament, Poses Next To Butt Cracks (at www.buzzfeed.com)
09:33 <@Shadow404> pig may get it eventually
09:37 <@Wilpig> it isn't in thetvdb so I wouldn't be getting it
09:37 <@Dolemite> Couldn't complete file move
09:37 <@Dolemite> oops, wrong window
09:38 <@Dolemite> Learn to download it yourself, illiterate fuck.
09:38 <@Wilpig> http://kickass.to/cosmos-a-space-time-odyssey-tv29336/
09:38 <@Dolemite> See?  Helpful link!
09:38 <@Dolemite> It was decent, but I thought it didn't quite live up to the hype.  At least for the first episode.
09:39 <@Dolemite> Focused too much on special effects for the first half, rather than communicating scince
09:39 <@Dolemite> science
09:39 <@Dolemite> Apparently the wireless keyboard battery is getting low, again.  It likes to miss letters since I type pretty quickly.
09:40 < Synx|hm> i got a logitech k400r and i am NOT impressed :(
09:40 < Synx|hm> the range is terrible i cant even make it to my couch
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09:41 <@Wilpig> i've got a logitch.  lemme see what i have.  it's been pretty good
09:42 <@Wilpig> Synx|hm: I have the same as you but i've had relatively good luck with it
09:42 <@opticron> I have a MK700 and I have no issues
09:43 <@Wilpig> was it you that was saying 2.4GHz is saturated where you are though?
09:43 <@opticron> only at home, not at work
09:43 <@opticron> the MK700 s at work
09:43 < Synx|hm> Wilpig: hrm... you useing it at a distance?
09:44 <@Wilpig> yeah across my room.
09:44 <@Wilpig> but the bluetooth dongle for it is out in the open 
09:44 < Synx|hm> bummer, wonder if its channel hopping or if i can force a channel change?
09:44 <@Wilpig> it's under ideal conditions
09:45 < Synx|hm> how do you link those things to different usb receiver dongles?
09:45 <@Wilpig> use a pc to reassociate it to a new dongle
09:45 < Synx|hm> ahh so you are saying i have to install the logitech software...
09:45 < Synx|hm> anything in there about channel's?
09:45 < Synx|hm> channels
09:46 <@Wilpig> yup
09:46 < Synx|hm> ok ill give that a go then
09:46 <@Wilpig> lemme look about the channels
09:46 < Synx|hm> spanks
09:46 < Synx|hm> i need to install the harmony one software anyways too :(
09:46 <@Wilpig> well fuck.  apparently my pc at home loaded updates and rebooted itself
09:46 <@Wilpig> will take a minute
09:47 < Synx|hm> as did mine, and it killed my PVR client
09:48 <@Wilpig> I havne't reinstalled it on this system yet, it seems
09:49 <@Wilpig> http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Mice-and-Pointing-Devices/Unifying-receiver-interference-with-WIFI/td-p/843472
09:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Unifying receiver interference with WIFI - Logitech Forums (at forums.logitech.com)
09:49 <@Wilpig> no option to change the frequency
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09:50 <@Shadow404> windows?
09:50 <@Wilpig> and lol at logitech for telling people to change the channel on their wifi without saying what channel the receiver is using
09:50 < Synx|hm> ya haha
09:51 < Synx|hm> i guess ill try putting the receiver on a usb extension if i can find one
09:54 <@Wilpig> Synx|hm: there are a few o fthem in the box next to my tv. help yourself
09:55 < Synx|hm> :)
09:59 <@brimstone> huh, the 3+ unifying receivers here are working without problems
09:59 <@brimstone> in this super busy, 37 AP network
10:00 <@eryc> you can use the wifi analyzer android app to see the freq
10:01 <@Mirage> I've also got "WiFi Analyzer" installed on my phone and I'd recommend it.
10:04 <@Wilpig> same here.  that thing is uber handy
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10:05 <@Wilpig> brimstone: how far away from the receivers are you using your stuff though?
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10:07 <@brimstone> the one on my desk is about 6"
10:07 <@brimstone> the others are about 3' or so
10:07 <@brimstone> only because they don't work any further away
10:10 <@Shadow404> eek @flatoday_jdean: NASA: Weather 70% "go" for 4:41am EDT Sunday Cape launch of Falcon 9/Dragon to ISS. Next day only 30% favorable, if necessary.
10:10 <@Mirage> Wilpig: oh..Frozen is something with the indexing, not the size, vbr, etc as assumed.
10:10 <@Shadow404> wrong channel
10:10 < Synx|hm> ya thats the key, it works great if i stand up in the middle of my living room but as soon as i sit on the couch im fucked
10:11 <@shapr> Goood morning peoples!
10:13 <@Wilpig> Mirage: gotcha.
10:14 <@Wilpig> i am beginning to hate this twit in systems engineering
10:14 <@Wilpig> I diagnosed and proved the midplanes on these systems are horked and he's convinced himself it's the motherboard and not the midplane
10:15 <@Wilpig> I pointed out his flawed testing methodology and was told just to let him finish and it would be clear.
10:15 <@Shadow404> gotta love processes
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10:33 < nachoguy> http://i.imgur.com/18WkbFB.jpg
10:40 <@Dagmar> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/14/03/12/1253218/how-do-you-backup-20tb-of-data <-- lol noob pirates
10:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: How Do You Backup 20TB of Data? - Slashdot (at ask.slashdot.org)
10:53 <@brimstone> huh, crashplan is free?
10:54 <@brimstone> oh, their storage bits are free for 30 days
10:56 <@Mirage> Wilpig: was he sure to upgrade the firmware for every piece of hardware in the system before starting his testing, regardless of whether that piece should have any impact on the issue?  If not, he failed step 1 of all the moronic steps that most vendors (esp IBM) harp on
11:07 <@Dagmar> AlertVU test is in progress for the paging part
11:07 <@Dagmar> Let's see if they bitch out and only test parts at once
11:08 <@Dolemite> Crashplan isn't free, but it's also not priced based upon the amount of storage used.  It's just slow getting it up there/back down.
11:08  * oddball waits for the appropriate servers to catch fire.
11:09 <@Dagmar> ...and there's signs of PHP code being used to generate the page
11:09 <@Wilpig> Mirage: I solved this particular issue a month ago but this guy thinks he knows better
11:09 <@Wilpig> there is a problem with the midplane and we can fix it by replacing the midplane but the lingering question was if it was a capacitance issue in the midplane and if replacing it is just a stopgap
11:10 <@Wilpig> isolating a chassis with the problem and leaving it powered off is the proper test but getting a complete chassis that we can take offline is a problem
11:12 <@Dagmar> Three minutes later the email alert comes in
11:13 <@Wilpig> something is eating battery on my phone this morning.  dropped 15% since I got to work
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11:18 <@Dagmar> Just called the NOC.  No, there apparently has not been a test of the "interrupt everything" software ITS wedges on people's desktops
11:18 <@Dagmar> I am not surprised
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11:20  * shapr hops quietly
11:20 <@shapr> benthemeek: WAKE UP!
11:20 <@shapr> It's MORNING TIME!
11:20  * shapr runs around like a hyperactive child
11:21  * Dagmar strikes shapr in the shins
11:21 <@shapr> ow!
11:22 <@eryc> Dagmar: what were you seeing before with comcast dns?
11:23 <@Dagmar> That they apparently were temporarily blocking DNS replies from nameservers in China.  Not exactly a big deal
11:23  * shapr hobbles like a hyperactive child
11:23 <@oddball> Awww.... the magic players are all butthurt over the guy that made that series of pictures of exposed butt cracks at a magic tourney.
11:23 <@Dagmar> the 021yy.org thing Hasselton cited was a red herring.  Nothing  should resolve that shit C&C server anyway
11:23 <@Wilpig> hrmmm http://www.statetheatrenj.org/tickets/calendar/view.aspx?id=5885&viewzones=true
11:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: State Theatre - Amy Schumer (at www.statetheatrenj.org)
11:23 <@eryc> ah i bet they added the servers to Bind's blackhole list
11:23 <@oddball> Apparently the guy has been banned from tourneys for 6 months for harrassment.
11:23 <@Dagmar> oddball: Maybe they should try not being such a pack of fat fucks
11:24 <@eryc> there is some weird chinese ddos going on the past month or so
11:24 <@eryc> it doesnt look like botnet traffic but in a way it looks like botnet traffic
11:24 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... that would be an option.
11:24 <@eryc> it seems to be more of a general nuisance
11:25 <@Dagmar> eryc: It's because the Chinese DNS server operators don't give a single fuck about whether or not their DNS servers respond to queries for the root zone, because it doesn't hurt _them_
11:26 <@eryc> well i've also seen ns1.google.com targetted
11:27 <@eryc> they have an endless supply of chinese domains they use and the target of the attack appears to be the NS record entries from the root
11:27 <@Dagmar> eryc: You *might* need more caffiene
11:28 <@eryc> i had to drastically increase the number of file descriptors/allowed sockets to handle the increased concurrency due to the timeouts caused by unresponsive dns servers
11:28 <@Dagmar> Vanderbilt's seen the DNS DDoS a few times now
11:29 <@Dagmar> Literally hundreds of chinese nameservers
11:29 <@Dagmar> I'd say blacklist every last one of the motherfuckers
11:29 <@eryc> it's very tempting
11:29 <@Dagmar> WHen they get tired of hearing their users and customers complain about it, then maybe they'll stop being dicks
11:29 <@eryc> it almost seems like its state sponsored
11:30 <@Dagmar> It might as well be.  It's nationalist bullshit.
11:32 <@eryc> i guess it could be botnet traffic if there is an out of band return channel
11:33 <@eryc> all the traffic with the dns queries is one way
11:34 <@Dagmar> If you were looking at the DDOS you'd knnow it
11:34 <@Dagmar> ...or you *should* know it.
11:34 <@Dagmar> It'll amount to numerous queries against '.' with the victimm's IP address spoofed as the source
11:35 <@eryc> yea that's a classic attack
11:35 <@eryc> this new one is much more brutal
11:35 <@Dagmar> If your'e seeing a bunch of replies, they're just targeting a different namespace
11:35 <@eryc> there's never any replies
11:35 <@eryc> they spoof every address on the internet
11:36 <@eryc> and target 3-5 chinese domains at a time with randomized subdomains
11:36 <@Dagmar> Hmm...
11:36 <@eryc> it almost like some naive attempt to take down the internet
11:36 <@eryc> or at least, the open resolvers
11:37 <@benthemeek> shapr: I'm trying... give me some of what you are having
11:37 <@Dagmar> Sounds more like they're probably trying to map the open resolvers
11:37 <@eryc> its pretty much unstoppable
11:37  * shapr emails coffee to benthemeek 
11:37 <@eryc> could be
11:37 <@eryc> but its been going constantly for a month now
11:37 <@eryc> they switch domains every few hours
11:38  * Wilpig dcc's benthemeek some crack
11:38 <@eryc> bind has an undocumented flag -S to set the max number of allowed sockets
11:38 <@eryc> if you don't increase that it quickly causes your server to stop responding to dns
11:39 <@Dagmar> Probably depends on what your configuration is in the first palce
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13:38 <@shapr> klixa: OH HAI
13:38 <@shapr> got energies?
13:38 <@klixa> yes, i haz energies!
13:39 <@shapr> YAY!
13:39 <@shapr> I have energies tooo!
13:39 <@klixa> awesome
13:39 <@klixa> the place im staying...it didnt hve energies for a minute...power went out
13:40 <@shapr> whoa, exciting
13:40 <@klixa> t was more exciting last night..there were 4 of us..we told ghost stories
13:40 <@klixa> the power ws out for a few hours
13:40 <@klixa> wind was blowing
13:40 <@shapr> that does sound like fun
13:42 <@klixa> yeah, normally everyone is buried in a laptop
13:42  * shapr buries klixa in a laptop
13:43 <@Dagmar> Ya'll need to learn about the magic that is third-party extended capacity batteries.
13:44 <@klixa> im a computer addict... sometimes its good for outside forces to interrupt my fix
13:44 <@Dagmar> Still, there's no excuse for an outage shorter than four hours to take laptop users offline
13:44 <@Dagmar> COMPUTE HARDERER!
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13:51 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: doesn't that assume that people are using their laptops for more than just a dumb connection to the Internet?
13:52 <@Dagmar> Nope.
13:52 <@Corydon76-home> Because unfortunately, that's pretty much what they've become.
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13:53 <@Corydon76-home> and unless your Internet connection and any switches are backed up with a solid connection, power going out also means a total lack of connectivity
13:53 <@Corydon76-home> s/solid connection/solid battery/
13:54 <@Dagmar> I was ready to work remotely all last Monday, even if power went down for about 80% of the city
13:55 <@Corydon76-home> Also assuming that Comcast replaced the battery in the neighborhood node in the last 3 years, or that's not going to be worth a damn, either
13:56 <@Dagmar> Sprint would have to go down as well
13:57 <@Dagmar> I actually drill for this shit once a quarter now
13:57 <@Corydon76-home> If I was at all concerned about it, I'd have a solar farm on my rooftop
13:58  * shapr farms the sun
13:58 <@Corydon76-home> If power is out that long, you need a way to recharge your batteries
13:59 <@Corydon76-home> What's your drill?  Flip the main breaker?
13:59 <@Corydon76-home> See what shits on itself?
13:59 <@brimstone> i should do that
13:59 <@Dagmar> To test my UPSes, yes.
13:59 <@Dagmar> fucking easy-mode, that
14:00 <@brimstone> at least every time daylight savings changes, have to reset those clocks anyway
14:00 <@Corydon76-home> brimstone: get an atomic clock
14:00 <@Dagmar> I think the only clocks I have that aren't WWIV- or NTP-synched live in the kitchen
14:01 <@Dagmar> Although with respect to the one in my lab, *fuck* those guys at the Tyson airport
14:01 <@brimstone> atomic oven clock
14:01 <@Dagmar> I couldn't tell you if my oven has a clock on it or not
14:02 <@Corydon76-home> Mine does.  No, I haven't reset it yet, nor the microwave
14:02 <@Dagmar> I like my microwave
14:02 <@Dagmar> If the power goes out and it loses time, it just stops showing a clock.
14:02 <@Dagmar> There's little point in sitting there blinking 12 or some shit
14:02 <@Corydon76-home> Clearly you don't like your microwave, or you'd have it on a UPS.
14:03 <@Dagmar> No, I like my UPSes which is why I don't put a microwave or a laser printer on them.
14:03 <@Corydon76-home> You think too small.  Get a 5kVA UPS for those
14:04 <@Dagmar> I got ninja sammich action
14:04 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, if you want 3.0kVA UPS, I know where you can get one for cheap
14:04 <@Corydon76-home> Talk to Howard White.  He's got several sitting in a storage unit
14:04 <@Dagmar> Um... No thank you
14:05 <@Corydon76-home> I replaced the batteries in one for just under $150
14:05 <@Corydon76-home> They're 2U units
14:06 <@Corydon76-home> I have two of those units here in my rack
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14:10 <@klixa> well the computers still worked...the internet was down tho
14:18 <@Mirage> Anyone running Puppet?
14:20 <@brimstone> chef4lyfe
14:20 <@Dagmar> http://i.imgur.com/vnEFTTZ.jpg
14:21 <@Wilpig> quick someone ghost brimstone. that was clearly a password!
14:22 <@Mirage> brimstone: Puppet needs to do a bit more QA testing.  They just released Enterprise 3.2.0 and the install/upgrade is broken.
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14:35 < aestetix> penis
14:35 <@Mirage> aestetix: black power!
14:37 <@shapr> vaina
14:40 <@klixa> dr. foot
14:40 < aestetix> wow
14:40 < aestetix> my friend just got in a twitter with
14:40 < aestetix> er, a twitter right
14:41 < aestetix> twitter fight
14:41 < aestetix> jesus
14:41 < aestetix> my friend just got in a twitter fight
14:41 < aestetix> with Roseanne
14:41 <@shapr> Barr?
14:41 < aestetix> yes
14:42 <@shapr> I once got in a twitter fight with a gender warrior.
14:42 < aestetix> and Roseanne blockd her
14:42 <@shapr> for using "guys" as a plural for humans
14:42 < aestetix> hahah
14:42 <@oddball> aestetix: That's one of those "even if you win, you lose" scenarios... 'cause you're still enteracting with Roseanne Barr.
14:42 <@shapr> Several gender warriors wrote nasty blog posts about me.
14:42 < aestetix> you should have said "sorry, I will refer to you as penises instead"
14:44 < aestetix> shapr: url?
14:44 <@shapr> eh, it was six+ months ago, dunno if I can find it.
14:44 <@shapr> It was Tim Chevalier, formerly Kirsten Chevalier
14:45 <@oddball> shapr: You're clearly a terrible human being, and you think all rape victims were asking for it.
14:45 <@shapr> Here's part of that whole thing: http://geekfeminism.org/2013/12/23/whats-wrong-with-assuming-that-programmers-are-male/
14:46 <@shapr> """It costs nothing to say “folks”, “y’all”, “engineers”, or “team” instead of guys. And yet, some people vociferously defend their usage of “guys” in this manner."""
14:46 < aestetix> oh jesys
14:47 <@shapr> My ex-wife also felt that I was insufficiently feminist... I think because I didn't want an open marriage.
14:48 < aestetix> shapr: you should point out to them that when we need help, we say "man ls" and not "woman ls"
14:49 <@klixa> shapr: if YOU had wanted the open relationship youd have also not been feminist enough
14:49 <@shapr> Emacs includes M-x woman support
14:49 <@shapr> klixa: good point
14:49 <@shapr> But she's gotten herself in bunches of trouble in the past six months, all by herself.
14:51 < aestetix> shapr: that reads off like one of those "so when you say ___, what you're *really* saying is ____"
14:51 < aestetix> To which I often respond "nope, I meant what I said"
14:51 <@shapr> Yeah, I just tried to dodge the flames until they died down.
14:54 <@klixa> ok, i read part of taht article but then i got bored
14:54 <@klixa> but i have NO issues calling people he/guys/male
14:54 <@klixa> thats actually technically correct for english anyway...the unkown has always been male
14:54 <@klixa> we dont have a neutral like some languages
14:54 <@klixa> so, this whole new trend of mailperson vs mailman is RETARDATION
14:54 <@shapr> Finnish doesn't even have gender, which makes for some amusing conversations
14:54 <@klixa>  /end my 2 cents
14:54 <@shapr> "Is he her wife?"
14:55 <@shapr> You just mentally drop all the English gender when Finns are talking.
14:55 <@klixa> finnish has no gender?
14:55 <@klixa> i cant even visuliase that
14:56 <@shapr> "Han on" He/she is
14:56 <@klixa> in german tho, 3 different "the"'s depending on gender
14:56 <@klixa> der, die , das
14:56 <@shapr> But they DO have an "object" gender for anything that's not a "real person"
14:56 <@shapr> and both pets and rocks fit into the object gender.
14:56 <@brimstone> and then all of the contractions
14:56 <@shapr> Interesting stuff, and really hard to learn
14:56 <@shapr> sauna = sauna
14:56 <@klixa> one of the coolest boks i read was "english grammar for students of german"
14:56 <@brimstone> contractions? what's the word for den and dem?
14:56 <@shapr> my sauna = saunani , at the sauna = saunassa , at my sauna = saunassani
14:57 <@klixa> shapr: that kinda reminds me of latin in some way
14:57 <@brimstone> klixa: i might have that book somewhere, i'll have to look
14:57 <@shapr> It gets craaazy weird when you put a bunch of stuff in there
14:57 <@klixa> brimstone: heh cool
14:59 < Synx|hm_> wow writing upstart scripts is crazy simple
14:59 <@Dagmar> Normal init scripts are simple
14:59 <@brimstone> upstart is so stupid
14:59 <@shapr> why so?
15:00 <@brimstone> reasons, i don't have time to discuss it now
15:00 <@brimstone> :(
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15:00 <@Dagmar> 1. You can't just kill a daemon if you want to stop it.
15:00 <@Dagmar> Upstart will immediately restart the fucking thing.
15:00 <@brimstone> it logs weird
15:01 <@brimstone> it can't run as not pid 1 in the 12.04 version
15:01 <@Dagmar> That one's exceptionally stupid.
15:01 <@Dagmar> ther'es nothing fucking special about pid1 at all
15:01 <@Dagmar> Goddamn noobs somehow decided it is
15:01 <@brimstone> i think that's changed in newer versions, but no one cares about post 12.04
15:01 <@brimstone> and now, no one cares about upstart at all
15:02 < Synx|hm_> well all i know is i dont have to change move or rename all sorts of symlinks in run level folders
15:02 <@Dagmar> You didn't have to do that before, dumbass.
15:03 < Synx|hm_> oh
15:03 < Synx|hm_> im init.d stupid obviously
15:03 < Synx|hm_> :(
15:03 <@Dagmar> That's very literally chkconfig's job
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15:05 <@brimstone> or update-rc.d
15:06 < aestetix> vagina
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15:25 <@Wilpig> http://nerdapproved.com/toys/horrible-friends-prank-this-guy-by-taking-apart-his-lego-millennium-falcon-video/#!zsoRt
15:30 <@Dagmar> justifiable hommocide
15:31 <@Wilpig> it was a pretty good joke
15:32 <@Dagmar> I though we already established you have questionable judgement about those kinds of things.
15:33 <@Dagmar> Something about obsidian trees
15:33 <@Dolemite> Ugh.  Where has this day gone?
15:33 <@Dolemite> Already 3:30
15:34 <@notlarry> fukc, just woke up
15:41 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: +1
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15:59 <@brimstone> https://pentestmag.com/build-your-own-pentesting-company-pentest-starterkit-012014/
16:12 <@Mirage> Wilpig: that's just evil
16:13 <@Wilpig> Mirage: you laughed
16:14 <@Mirage> Wilpig: Sarah took apart my 3d globe puzzle when we moved and i've been loathing having to put it back together again.
16:24 <@shapr> Anyone here uses keystroke macros in emacs?
16:25 <@shapr> I'm trying to figure out of people would use parse tree macros if they were available.
16:25 <@shapr> or if it's just me
16:32 <@klixa> just you...everyone else wants parse flower macros instead
16:32 <@shapr> psh
16:32 < aestetix> god I hate americans
16:33 < aestetix> well more specifically, americans who can't handle direct criticism
16:33 <@shapr> aestetix: I hate the fact that you hate that.
16:33  * shapr waits to see if aestetix self-hates 
16:33 <@Mirage> aestetix: news flash..people other than americans hve that same issue
16:33 < aestetix> I've been mediating between a german and an american
16:33 <@Wilpig> shapr: he's a cutter
16:33 < aestetix> the german is very blunt, and the american keeps taking it personally
16:34 <@oddball> You think that's uniquely an American problem?
16:34 <@klixa> aestetix: kinda like last night... the art
16:34 <@shapr> aestetix: could be worse, could be Dutch
16:34 <@klixa> im german
16:34 < aestetix> the art?
16:34 <@klixa> i had to work on not being blunt
16:34 < aestetix> klixa: you're from germany?
16:34 <@klixa> aestetix: yeah, she took it personally we didnt like it
16:34 <@oddball> klixa: Nah... I was with you on that.  That first painting sucked.
16:34 <@klixa> aestetix: i wasnt born there... but my father is..and we lived there awhile when i was a kid, etc
16:34 < aestetix> got it
16:34 < aestetix> basically what I have been dealing with
16:35 < aestetix> german makes a comment about project
16:35 <@Mirage> aestetix: could be worse...you could be mediating between Wilpig or NL and just about anyone
16:35 < aestetix> I spent the next day helping the american process it
16:35 <@klixa> oddball: yeah it did.. but it botheerd her we didnt like it...thats why i let her know i appreciated her sharing, cause i did... maybe not personal but like it fristtrated her
16:35 < aestetix> this has happened several times
16:35 < aestetix> the german is like "wtf? that was not personal"
16:36 <@oddball> klixa: Oh... I was tempted to tell her the truth.  The only people I can imagine hanging that are the douchebags that American Psycho or Fight Club was paroding.
16:36 <@klixa> aestetix: yeah, when i was 5 i drew a picture of a house and gave it to my teacher (in germany) and in the US, i would have got "oh thats nice honey" in germany "you forgot to draw curtains on the windows...windows have curtains"
16:36 < aestetix> klixa: yeah I'm used to germans now
16:37 < aestetix> yeah americans are way more gentle
16:37 < aestetix> if you have something that sucks, we'll say "that's nice, although have you considered this?"
16:37 < aestetix> germans say "that is shit"
16:37 <@oddball> klixa: And that when the kid should burst into tears over his/her parents not being able to afford curtains. :p
16:37 < aestetix> klixa: also, once I had context for the art piece I liked it
16:37 <@klixa> oddball: lol
16:38 <@klixa> aestetix: it just annoys me people doing stuff like having a canvas and making it whote (ie blank) and calling it art
16:39 < aestetix> klixa: keep in mind, I'm a student of john cage
16:39 <@klixa> aestetix: the stuff she showed was not that extreme...but, i mean maybe sometimes stuff like that looks cool but i dont see it as being ultra profound or anything
16:39 < aestetix> klixa: I only saw the one piece, and once I had context I appreciated it
16:39 <@klixa> aestetix: the tree one?
16:39 < aestetix> maybe?
16:40 < aestetix> I made a comment about it, and the comment turned out to actually be fairly spot on
16:40 < aestetix> just not in the way I had thought
16:40 <@klixa> yeah, its the one cause you said it looked like bloody poop thrown at a tree
16:40 < aestetix> right
16:40 <@klixa> i never heard /learned the context
16:40 < aestetix> oh, the painting was about handling illness and grief, iirc
16:40 < aestetix> in which case, it actually made quite a bit of sense
16:41 <@klixa> aestetix: i like abstract stuff, and poetic-ness, and dont need thigns to be literal, or precise, etc... but also...i dont need or even want art to make sense
16:41 <@klixa> why cant i just  like it cause the colors are pretty
16:42 <@klixa> or dislike it for the same kinda reason
16:42 <@klixa> *sometimes* if something has a cool meaning... it will trigger me to like it betetr
16:43 <@klixa> or... ok, one time i went to an exhibit in seattle...and it was the huge sculpture things made out of wood...they didnt look all that cool on paper...but actually being there... the feeling was amzing...they were huge and made you feel so small...and looked like alien landscapes that you got lost in, in person
16:44 <@klixa> ...all in all tho, i used to be a photographer..and i got sick of pretentious people at art galleries
16:44 < aestetix> but it's just like
16:44 < aestetix> imagine someone is pissed off at work, and nobody knwos why, and they think he's crazy
16:44 <@EnabrinTain> I had an art teacher once, who painted a canvas completely gold except for a 1cm line on the bottom of the canvas that was the color of Lead. then she put a pile of graphite on the floor under it
16:44 < aestetix> and it turns out he's overreacting to everything because his brother is in the hospital
16:44 < aestetix> suddenly the crazy makes a lot more sense
16:44 <@EnabrinTain> it was called "Alchemy"
16:45 <@klixa> aestetix: making sense doesnt make it suddenly pleasant th
16:45 <@klixa> tho*
16:45 <@klixa> aestetix: but i guess that depends on how you view art... as something to appreacite for its beauty, or as something to provoke thought
16:45 <@EnabrinTain> it irritated me because it said absolutely nothing to me
16:45 < aestetix> I never said it makes it pleasant
16:45 <@EnabrinTain> and I like the symbolism
16:46 <@klixa> aestetix: right. as i was speaking to you, i realised that my person appreciation of art involves enjoying it for its pleasantness
16:46 <@klixa> pesonal*
16:46 <@klixa> personal*
16:46 <@klixa> i collect paintings, artwork, music, etc based soley on it pleasing me
16:47 < aestetix> heh
16:47 < aestetix> I really like art that is challenging
16:47 < aestetix> which is why I am such a big fan of Philip Glass
16:47 <@klixa> i like challenging art too...but it has ot be pretty first
16:47 <@klixa> i like Glass...espeically his ackenaton thing
16:48 <@klixa> Acknaten*
16:48 <@klixa> but i like it first of all because it sounds nice
16:48 < aestetix> klixa: what about the piss christ?
16:48 < aestetix> or... whats it called... the virgin mary painted with elephant shit
16:48 <@klixa> if i *only* wanted challenging i would like Harry Partch's atonal stuff
16:49 < aestetix> that said, I do think there should be effort put into art
16:49 <@klixa> i really like what Partch was going for...but it still sounded horrible
16:49 < aestetix> just signing your name to a blank canvas is useless unless you have a reason for doing it
16:49 <@klixa> aestetix: yes, i agree there should be effort, i think that was what i was bothered by last night
16:49 < aestetix> in which case the art is actually not limited to the canvas
16:49 <@klixa> i referred to it as skill
16:49 <@klixa> pisschirst and elephant shit mary type stuff is JUST for shock value...i dont like shock for the sake of shock
16:50 < aestetix> I dont' agree with taht
16:50 < aestetix> goatse is just for shock value
16:50 < aestetix> whereas piss christ directly attacks an idea many people hold sacred
16:50 <@klixa> i woulnt have liked piss satan any better
16:50 <@klixa> or piss some random unkown
16:51 <@klixa> or any less for that matter
16:51 < aestetix> what about readymades?
16:51 < aestetix> like the fountain, etc
16:51 <@klixa> im not sure what you are tlaing about now
16:51 <@klixa> talking*
16:51 < aestetix> oh uh
16:51 < aestetix> lemme find the pic
16:51 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_%28Duchamp%29
16:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: Fountain (Duchamp) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
16:52 <@klixa> what do you mean by "readymade", tho in context i think it means found objects? is that the same thing?
16:53 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readymades_of_Marcel_Duchamp
16:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Readymades of Marcel Duchamp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
16:53 <@klixa> well, in general i dont knpw...that specific piece i dont like though
16:54 <@klixa> i have seen everyday objects that look cool tho...so some i would like... copper pipe is cool , for example... or like ok, my brother took a pic of a microwave and it looked like a face...lemme find it
16:58 <@klixa> i cant find it...but heres somethign i like http://www.all-story.com/issues.cgi?action=show_story&story_id=286
16:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: Zoetrope: All-Story: Back Issue (at www.all-story.com)
16:59 <@klixa> it remided me of how sometimes you look at a wall, or anythign rally...and paint will be chipped away or there will be cracks..and you can see images..like faces, etc
16:59  * shapr steals klixa's LSD
17:00 <@klixa> http://www.tomwaitskorea.com/image/tom_photo/Untitled-25.jpg so this one is hearts... anyway the oil stain pics are a lot like the drippy pic sumo linked... not much effort... tho, i like the oil pics
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17:12 < aestetix> klixa: got it
17:14 <@Bahhumbug> eryc: Thanks for the named -S hint; I was unaware of that.
17:15 <@benthemeek> http://www.reddit.com/r/pareidolia
17:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Pictures of stuff that look like stuff it's not. (at www.reddit.com)
17:15 <@benthemeek> There found it finally
17:15 <@benthemeek> there ya go klixa
17:16 <@klixa> yes! http://i.imgur.com/UBEAP0f.jpg
17:16 <@klixa> haha
17:16 <@klixa> i see that all the time
17:16 <@klixa> faces, faces...everhwere faces
17:17 <@benthemeek> In my reading I encountered a study once on newborns.
17:17 <@benthemeek> They were able to distingish faces
17:17 <@benthemeek> Im not sure how they tell
17:18 <@benthemeek> I think the eyes and mouth thing is just a built in genetic software pattern
17:18 <@klixa> it is
17:18 <@klixa> it;s why we see them everywhere
17:18 <@klixa> Sagan talks about that when talking about the face on mars (or maybe it was not saga)
17:18 <@benthemeek> If memory serves that was from the book "Sex, murder, and the meaning of life"
17:18 <@klixa> anywya...yeah, programmed to see faces everwhere
17:19 <@benthemeek> aparently most of the population reguarly day dreams about killing someone
17:19 <@benthemeek> another take away from that book
17:19 <@klixa> i used to...
17:19 <@klixa> i rember when i was 4
17:19 <@klixa> the lunchlady at presschool wouldnt give me a second slice of pizza..despite giving some boy a 4th slice
17:19 <@klixa> i was mad
17:19 <@klixa> so i miagined slicing her into cubes
17:19 <@klixa> and i imagined her cubed up body screaming
17:19 <@klixa> and me telling her "thats what you get for giving him pizza not me"
17:24 <@Bahhumbug> ...
17:25 <@klixa> and now....i wont even kill spiders...um, so i grew out of my sociopathy
17:25 <@klixa> :D
17:30 <@Mirage> benthemeek: i think that's pretty accurate for anyone in customer support of any type
17:30 < aestetix> klixa: the obvious thing to do is beat up the kid and take his pizza
17:30 <@klixa> aestetix: hindsight
17:32 < aestetix> well
17:32 <@Mirage> anyone else play tetris back in the day to the extent that you started seeing tetris shapes in random objects
17:32 < aestetix> you can still do it
17:32 < aestetix> just to a different kid
17:34 <@klixa> i can buy my own pizza now
17:43 < aestetix> penis
17:48 <@klixa> i can buy that if i wanted...but i dont
17:48 <@klixa> buy that too*
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18:47 <@Wilpig> http://digg.com/video/visualizing-dubstep-with-a-tube-of-fire
18:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: Visualizing Dubstep With A Tube Of Fire - Digg (at digg.com)
19:06 <@Dagmar> wilpig: So... Allensworth got the idea that to "verify" people they should post a screenshot of their Agent screen to the NI community
19:06 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Ten minutes later, I'm welcoming our newest level 12 player with 25 million AP, recently of Hawaii... McLovin
19:07 <@Wilpig> hahhaa
19:09 <@Dagmar> ...and to answer the unasked question, yes we could do that at PN, but someone would catch on fire
19:09 <@Dagmar> our people have technical sense, common sense, not so much
19:12 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: all i'm saying is that firetube + marshmallows
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19:20 < aestetix> dongle
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20:21 <@Wilpig> http://www.breadfish.co.uk/
20:23 <@klixa> http://cl.ly/image/3h1W3H3w0A0q/o
20:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: 1966957_4057267048152_1432805590_n.jpg (at cl.ly)
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21:01 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: Today I thought Vanderbilt was under attack from Terrorists , or Northerners
21:01 < aestetix> man 2600 must hate me
21:01 < RangerZ1> I got 4 calls from the Vandy Emergency Alert Phone # in quick order
21:05 < RangerZ1> but it doesn't leave a voice mail
21:05 < RangerZ1> b/c .... fuck reason
21:07 <@Wilpig> aestetix: we do
21:08 < aestetix> hehe
21:08 < aestetix> after the discussion I just staretd in #2600
21:08 < aestetix> +aestetix> for a shart, does it have to be poop from your body, or can it also be a mixture of fart gas plus something someone else put in your butt
21:10 < aestetix> it's a vlid question
21:10 < aestetix> it's a sex analogy to data ownership
21:15 < aestetix> ugh
21:15 < aestetix> twitter is going crazy about sexual assault again
21:15 < aestetix> with all these fauxminists who don't understand that it's not just a men->women thing
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22:28 < aestetix> SuMo_D: ping
22:28 <@SuMo_D> wha?
22:28 <@SuMo_D> wha you want
22:28 < aestetix> that critical themes conference
22:28 <@SuMo_D> yeah?
22:28 < aestetix> are they expecting a paper, or just a slideshow?
22:28 <@SuMo_D> slideshow
22:28 < aestetix> oh ok
22:28 <@SuMo_D> talk
22:29 <@SuMo_D> I'd double check...
22:29 <@SuMo_D> but yeah...
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