--- Log opened Tue Mar 11 00:00:01 2014 00:00 < aestetix> Does giving a public lecture count as teaching a class? 00:01 <@shapr> Neat, a book I own is selling for as low as $598 and as high as $3316 00:04 -!- sdodson_ [~Scott@twdp-174-109-245-131.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 00:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sdodson_] by ChanServ 00:05 < aestetix> heh 00:06 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07 -!- sdodson [~Scott@twdp-174-109-245-131.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:08 < aestetix> I was planning to spend tonight learning how to create a .deb package 00:08 < aestetix> instead I'm arguing on twitter 00:10 <@Bahhumbug> As much as I despise twitter it's arguably a better use of your time. 00:10 < aestetix> well no 00:10 < aestetix> I need to learn this because I'm doing a small contract gig that requires creating a .deb package 00:10 < aestetix> ;) 00:10 <@Bahhumbug> My condolences. 00:10 < aestetix> It was one of those "how hard can it be?" moments 00:11 <@Bahhumbug> Can I get an RSS feed of g+ updates? 00:11 * Bahhumbug supposes he can go google that 00:12 <@Bahhumbug> And the answer is yes, I can. 00:12 <@Bahhumbug> Bleah, no, not really :/ 00:15 < aestetix> now I'm litsening to george carlin instead of doing the work 00:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 00:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 00:35 < aestetix> man 00:35 < aestetix> noisebridge is so funny 00:36 < aestetix> 21:38 <@aestetix> Someone was caught sleeping in the space, so someone took their photo and posted it to the mailing list 00:36 < aestetix> 21:38 <@aestetix> At which point someone else piped in that taking photos of people without their consent is un-excellent 00:36 < aestetix> I wonder if the idiots posting to that list know there are thousands of people being endlessly entertained by it 00:40 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you wanna have some fun, get a couple mechanical alarm clocks to set off where people are sleeping in the space... 00:41 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I don't go there anymore, but yeah that would be lulzy. 00:42 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: just buy a bunch and leave them in the space 00:43 <@Corydon76-home> And label them with that intention 00:43 < aestetix> something else that would be funny 00:43 < aestetix> a little computer/speaker device that plays the Mighty Mouse theme song, really loudly 00:43 < aestetix> maybe a furby 00:43 < aestetix> and set it next to them, and then activate it remotely 00:43 < aestetix> "HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY!!!" 00:44 <@Corydon76-home> I was going to say a bed shaker 00:44 < aestetix> or that "Good morning, good morning!" song 00:45 < aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB2yiIoEtXw 00:45 < aestetix> this song 00:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: 1080p HD "Good Morning" ~ Singin in the Rain (1952) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:45 < aestetix> actually 00:45 <@Corydon76-home> I've heard that homeless people absolutely detest country music. One of the McDonald's in Nashville piped country music through their outdoor loudspeakers to deter the homeless from hanging out there. 00:45 < aestetix> that song would be perfect 00:46 <@Corydon76-home> How about some "Hello Darling" by Conway Twitty? 00:46 < aestetix> hahah 00:48 <@shapr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yeFfwzVtUQ 00:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: CAUGHT ON VIDEO: Semi Goes Airborne; Erupts into Fireball in Indiana - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:48 <@shapr> That's how my dates have gone lately. 00:51 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I'm listening to that now. 00:51 < aestetix> I have never heard it. 00:51 < aestetix> And yeah that would make a homeless guy cry 00:51 <@Corydon76-home> What, "Hello Darling"? 00:51 < aestetix> yes 00:52 <@Corydon76-home> George Jones will do it, too 00:52 <@Corydon76-home> Or Tammy Wynnette 00:52 < aestetix> Are they also country musicians? 00:52 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, yes. 00:52 < aestetix> I am clearly clueless about country music 00:53 < aestetix> except for garth brooks 00:53 <@Corydon76-home> No, no, this is country music from the 50s and 60s 00:53 <@Corydon76-home> GOOD country, not that pop music wannabe crap 00:54 < aestetix> by not clueless I mean I know the name 00:54 <@Corydon76-home> If it doesn't include the use of a steel guitar, chances are it's not good 00:55 <@Corydon76-home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYQViYm92hg 00:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: George Jones-He Stopped Loving Her Today.... - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:57 <@notlarry> Well, Ben is at least gonna be late cause he is pulled over. 00:58 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: This will make someone cry, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpKH_xMdHuA 01:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: GEORGE JONES - She Thinks I Still Care - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:03 < aestetix> hahaha 01:05 <@Corydon76-home> And this is classic George: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKeZc61DLY 01:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: George Jones - If Drinking Dont Kill Me - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:05 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: are you drunk or something 01:05 <@Corydon76-home> You know he was pulled over drunk driving his tractor to the liquor store, because his driver's license was suspended in Franklin, TN, right? 01:06 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: Nope, not had a drop in a week 01:06 <@klixa> ok, well if its country music link night then, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV40NzkqJrw&feature=kp 01:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dierks Bentley - I Hold On - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:06 <@klixa> that song makes *me* cry :/ 01:07 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: Isn't he a new country singer? 01:07 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: yes 01:07 < aestetix> I'm tempted to go to Noisebridge just to unleash some of this onto unsuspecting sleepers 01:08 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: it sounds like pop music, not country 01:08 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: i know 01:08 <@klixa> ok i can link some old country 01:08 <@Corydon76-home> In others words, it's crap 01:08 <@klixa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNpLSaCirj8 01:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Waylon Jennings - Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:08 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:08 <@Corydon76-home> That'll work 01:08 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: i LOVE the I hold on song...so what if its pop...its niiiice 01:09 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: the problem is that pop swamped the country music scene, so there's no country music that sounds like country music anymore 01:09 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: yeah its kina like bistro stule blew cheese 01:09 <@Corydon76-home> A Southern accent is not sufficient to make it country music. 01:10 <@klixa> yeah, it kinda tastes like bleu cheese...but its super mild 01:12 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 01:12 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:12 <@klixa> i like hank williams jr too... but the rest of teh country i like is pop country 01:13 <@Corydon76-home> Waylon is more of the Texas/Louisiana sound 01:13 <@Corydon76-home> More influenced by cowboy poets and the honky tonk 01:14 <@klixa> damn, young hank is hot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd9OkjATHwI 01:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hank Williams jr (Cant you see) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:14 <@Corydon76-home> I prefer Senior 01:14 <@klixa> bleh, my father used to take me to teh bar when i was 11 (he was a performer) and they would alwyas play "there s a tear in my beer" and that kinda stuff 01:14 <@klixa> the radio i mean 01:15 <@Corydon76-home> and Junior has really alienated himself by going on Fox and proving how narrow minded and hateful he can be 01:15 <@klixa> i know nothing about him personally 01:15 <@Corydon76-home> Learned nothing from the Dixie Chicks that you DON'T INSULT YOUR FANS. 01:16 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: You misspelled racist inbred redneck mother fucker, I believe. 01:17 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: Careful. I'm an inbred redneck motherfucker, too 01:18 -!- Catonic [~catonic@167.sub-70-193-65.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:18 <@Corydon76-home> Well, fatherfucker, to be more accurate 01:18 <@klixa> inbvred redneck motherfuckers FTW 01:19 <@Corydon76-home> My inbred genes are just from the 17th century 01:20 <@Corydon76-home> These are the hazards of having just 13 families settling Maryland 01:20 < RangerZ1> eryc: you been keeping up with the android MOOC? 01:21 <@Corydon76-home> The guy I was named after married his first cousin, for example. 01:21 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-home: so apparently 1/10th of all married persons on earth are married to their first cousins 01:21 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has joined #se2600 01:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dickie] by ChanServ 01:21 <@Corydon76-home> That's scary. 01:22 < RangerZ1> I heard that stat, and was really surprised until I thought about africa and asia 01:22 < RangerZ1> apparently marrying your first cousin doesn't increase disease likelyhood like we thought it did 01:22 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, that's the problem with having limited mobility 01:22 <@klixa> so you were name after Corydon the first 01:22 <@klixa> lol 01:23 <@Corydon76-home> I was named after Lt. Col. Tench Tilghman, second military aide-de-camp to Gen. George Washington. 01:23 <@klixa> that is a supe rinteresting name 01:23 <@klixa> tench tilgham 01:24 -!- opticron [~opticron@pianoben.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:24 <@Corydon76-home> Works better when you spell it correctly 01:24 <@klixa> oh sorry 01:25 <@klixa> tilghman 01:25 <@klixa> that happens to me too, mine is kirstin...and it gets corrupted into kristin a lot 01:25 <@Corydon76-home> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tench_Tilghman 01:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tench Tilghman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 01:28 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:28 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 01:30 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32 -!- opticron [~opticron@pianoben.ch] has joined #se2600 01:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o opticron] by ChanServ 01:33 < RangerZ1> I enjoy "Michael" 01:33 < RangerZ1> "He who is like God" lol 01:34 <@klixa> that was random 01:34 < RangerZ1> nah, talking about names 01:34 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has joined #se2600 01:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dickie] by ChanServ 01:35 < aestetix> RangerZ1: but marrying your first cousin does indicate a limited dating pool 01:40 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=912DKxD0H1U 01:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tammy Wynette - "D-I-V-O-R-C-E" - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:40 < aestetix> speaking of marrying cousins 01:40 < aestetix> I don't understand why everyone loves baby photos 01:41 < aestetix> a baby is a slobbering nugget that pukes, shits, and creates legal liability 01:43 <@shapr> Corydon76-home: oh hey, I used to work with you. That's why you seem so familiar. 01:44 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: You did? 01:44 <@shapr> Yup, you make excellent bread. 01:44 <@Corydon76-home> Digium? 01:44 <@shapr> yup 01:45 <@Corydon76-home> Where did you work, support? 01:45 <@shapr> yup 01:46 <@Corydon76-home> Ah 01:48 <@Corydon76-home> You could have worked in marketing, sales, custom dev, HR, or administration, and I still wouldn't remember. I tend to be very focused and shy except to a select few 01:49 <@Corydon76-home> and even then, I'm a bundle of nerves in large groups 01:50 <@klixa> im the opposite...i get nervous one on one (unless i knpw them well) 01:51 <@klixa> pm's even make me nervous sometimes 01:51 <@klixa> but when theres a lot of people...i feel fine...cause i then i feel less pressure...theres other people to focus on too... 01:51 <@Corydon76-home> While I was at Digium, you might even have caught me wearing a clothespin on a finger or another bunch of pinched skin 01:52 <@Corydon76-home> Or trying to be inconspicuous stabbing myself in the arm with a fingernail 01:53 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: Yeah, that assumes I can blend into a crowd. I tend not to, and where I'm in a large crowd, it's usually because I have to be there, because I'm speaking 01:54 <@Corydon76-home> Once I get going, I'm fine, but the anticipation is killer 02:01 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07 -!- dc0de1 [~jnoble@ip68-107-30-207.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08 -!- dc0de1 [~jnoble@ip68-107-30-207.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 02:11 -!- dc0de1 [~jnoble@ip68-107-30-207.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:11 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: you hate babies, right? 02:12 < aestetix> Wilpig: msg 02:12 -!- dc0de1 [~jnoble@ip68-107-30-207.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 02:17 <@Bahhumbug> Kids are fine as long as they are someone elses. 02:19 < aestetix> There's just another round of friends coupling off and having babies 02:19 < aestetix> it's annoying 02:20 <@Dagmar> They're best at 450 degrees, ten minutes per pound 02:20 < aestetix> hahaha 02:20 <@Bahhumbug> I am trying, so very very hard, not to laugh at that. 02:20 <@Bahhumbug> And failing so very miserably. 02:22 < aestetix> btw 02:22 < aestetix> there's a bbq at phreaknic this year again, right? 02:23 <@Bahhumbug> I thought the new hotel was not keen on that? 02:23 < aestetix> what 02:23 < aestetix> awwww 02:23 <@Bahhumbug> Don't quote me on that. 02:24 <@Bahhumbug> That's only what I recall hearing. 02:24 < aestetix> damn 02:24 < aestetix> and here I was all hungry for grilled baby 02:24 <@Bahhumbug> You're in Oakland; you should be able to find some local to you. 02:25 < aestetix> grilled baby, not protesters 02:26 <@klixa> grilled protestors 02:27 -!- dc0de1 [~jnoble@ip68-107-30-207.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:27 <@Bahhumbug> You sure they're not the same? Some of the images I've seen of some of those protesters makes them look to be kids. 02:27 < aestetix> klixa: they usually smell overripe, just like the food t hey eat 02:27 < aestetix> ash to ash, dumpster to dumpster 02:28 <@Bahhumbug> Does "hipster" come from "hippy protester"? 02:28 < aestetix> that's a good question 02:28 <@Bahhumbug> (That's actually a serious question.) 02:28 <@Bahhumbug> Seems like it might make some sense, though. 02:29 < aestetix> well 02:29 < aestetix> I thought the term hipster came from the 1950s 02:29 < aestetix> before we really had hippies 02:29 <@klixa> beatnicks were teh prehippies 02:30 <@Dagmar> I only want to know what my bag limit is 02:30 <@Dagmar> ...and that it's greater than 0. 02:31 <@Bahhumbug> Been playing GTA again? 02:32 <@Dagmar> No that's for killing children 02:34 <@klixa> and hoes 02:35 <@klixa> gotta kill the hoes too 02:35 <@Corydon76-home> I think hipsters came from the 70s, when people dressed like hippies, but didn't live the lifestyle 02:36 <@klixa> hipster is like emo... invented recently but given a fake hstory to seem like it goes back 20+ years 02:37 <@Corydon76-home> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_%281940s_subculture%29 02:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hipster (1940s subculture) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 02:38 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: that sounds a bit like what's going on in Berkley right now 02:38 < aestetix> The people who keep saying they are liberal but are actually very conservative 02:38 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: it's really not surprising 02:39 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: yeah 02:39 < aestetix> One of the reasons the bay area is in the mess it's in is because of all these old hippies who got rich from tech, and turned into nimbys 02:39 <@Corydon76-home> Except that you're falling into the same trap. The opposite of conservative isn't liberal. The opposite of conservative is radical. 02:40 < aestetix> heh, fair enough 02:40 <@Corydon76-home> All conservativism really is is an opposition to change, or at the minimum, an opposition to QUICK change, preferring slow change over a long period. 02:41 * aestetix nods 02:41 <@Corydon76-home> The opposite of liberal is fascist 02:42 <@Corydon76-home> Or at minimum, authoritarian 02:42 <@klixa> whats a nimby aestetix 02:42 <@Corydon76-home> Acronym for Not In My Back Yard 02:43 <@klixa> oh 02:43 <@klixa> ok 02:43 <@Corydon76-home> As in, people who think integrated housing is the right way to go, as long as it's not their neighborhood which is integrated. Not in my back yard. 02:44 <@Corydon76-home> It's a subtle sort of racism or classism 02:44 <@Dagmar> I'll stick with the more simplified "everyone is probably an asshole" categorization system. 02:45 <@Corydon76-home> Nuclear power is the way to go, but please put that plant 1,000 miles away from my home. 02:46 <@Corydon76-home> Gentrification is killing our cities, but don't impose rent control on the building _I_ own. 02:46 < aestetix> yep 02:47 < aestetix> Like all these idiots I hear shouting free tibet who don't know who the dalai lama is 02:47 <@Corydon76-home> Shared commuting is the way to go, but don't let Google buses pick up passengers in my neighborhood. 03:03 -!- Corydon76-home [~quassel@c-69-137-93-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:27 -!- Catonic [~catonic@167.sub-70-193-65.myvzw.com] has joined #se2600 03:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 03:56 < RangerZ1> if anything I'd just charge fb, google, etc to use the bus depots 03:57 < RangerZ1> and support them expanding it 03:57 < RangerZ1> and make them pay a % fee that goes into providing more buses for other citizens, etc... but thats using too much common sense 03:57 < RangerZ1> and we can't have that 04:10 -!- Catonic [~catonic@167.sub-70-193-65.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:15 < aestetix> RangerZ1: what would be awesome 04:15 < aestetix> is if I could pay a monthly fee to use the Google bus 04:16 < aestetix> I mean tbqh we're having a major issue with private companies being treated as public right now 04:16 < aestetix> IE people using Google and Facebook as public forums, etc 04:32 < RangerZ1> ohh no 04:32 < RangerZ1> i didn't mean that 04:33 < RangerZ1> I meant that Google could use the bus depots and let _only_ their employees on if they wanted 04:33 < RangerZ1> but _any_ bus service could do the same 04:33 < RangerZ1> which means you could join a bus co-op or some other company that would best serve you, and they all pay into providing better public transit normal buses 04:35 < RangerZ1> 'sorta' a privatization scheme, but not really, since I'm not generally in favor of those, however I am in favor of the gov't leasing its property (such as publicly funded bus stations/pickups) and putting that profit back into those locations/services 04:36 < RangerZ1> we'd have to prevent shit like NJ is getting famous (again) for, like cutting the yearly lease price of a parking lot from 1m$/year down to 1$/year, because the committee head had the company doing the leasing as a client... whooops, lol 04:37 < RangerZ1> facebook and google already pay a fee for using the bus lanes, etc as far as I know in san fran... but its obviously not enough to make people happy. 04:55 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-68-47-228-247.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:58 -!- NoFault1 [~NoFault@c-68-47-228-247.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:44 <@Shadow404> geeks 06:45 <@Shadow404> what would be a good parody movie title for a linux focused action movie. 06:49 <@Shadow404> this is for a linux 101 class 06:49 <@Shadow404> at work 07:24 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has joined #se2600 07:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 07:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:42 <@Shadow404> great, doles here... 07:42 <@Shadow404> what would be a good parody movie title for a linux focused action movie. 07:43 <@Shadow404> co worker is doing a 101 class and wants a creative title 07:52 <@opticron> A Kernel of Truth 08:08 <@Wilpig> heh 08:11 <@brimstone> *The Kernel 08:11 <@brimstone> In a world... 08:11 <@brimstone> ... one man... 08:11 <@brimstone> ...and a monolithic kernel... 08:12 <@opticron> ...can save it... 08:12 <@opticron> IT WANTS THE TRUTH TO BE FREE, TOM 08:13 <@opticron> brimstone, The Kernel of Truth sounds more like a SG-1 plotline 08:13 <@brimstone> doesn't it? 08:15 <@opticron> Colonel Jack O'Neill contracts a disease that allows him to speak only truths and know the truthiness of others. 08:16 <@opticron> but that's more The Colonel of Truth 08:16 * brimstone chokes 08:22 <@Wilpig> Jack O'Neil? Stargate much? 08:24 <@opticron> not since they killed off all the spin offs 08:28 <@Shadow404> i like it 08:28 <@Shadow404> and so it shall be named 08:28 <@Shadow404> "A Kernel of Truth"... a 101 class 08:29 <@Shadow404> thx opticron from my coworker 08:32 <@opticron> np :) 08:32 <@Shadow404> spinoffs aside from the first season of the starship thingy were crap 08:33 <@brimstone> Gatetrek? 08:33 <@Shadow404> atlantis was a horribly done zombie variant 08:38 <@opticron> yeah and universe (Gatetrek Voyager) was horrid 08:39 <@Wilpig> Universe had a great storyline to it. the problem was how slow paced it was 08:39 <@opticron> I agree 08:39 <@opticron> it had potential 08:39 <@brimstone> NEED MORE CG! 08:39 <@opticron> and then they weighed it down with intense amounts of drama 08:39 <@Wilpig> The only way it was gonna get a second season was to be more action packed which they tried at the end but it was too late and they just didn't gain the audience they needed 08:40 <@Wilpig> third season* 08:40 <@brimstone> GO TO PLANET, FUCK SHIT UP, DANIEL FIXES IT, GO HOME 08:40 <@brimstone> BEST STORYLINE 08:40 <@opticron> yep, the first season burned enough people too early on and the second started to get better, but it was far too late 08:47 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 08:48 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:50 <@Wilpig> http://time.com/16735/ban-bossy-sheryl-sandberg-banned-words/ 08:55 <@opticron> oh, she can ban "bossy", but that means I get to use the words I use for men and she will like that less "control freak asshole" comes to mind 08:56 <@opticron> but if she's fine with that level of feminism, so am I 08:56 <@Wilpig> I heard about that on the radio this morning and just couldn't believe the nonsense 08:56 <@Dagmar> "particularly for residents who were not native English speakers." 08:56 <@Wilpig> they had woman after woman calling in talking about how stupid this was and that if a woman is going to be a leader she isn't gonna give two shits about what other people say about her. she is gonna lead because she has the drive to lead 08:56 <@Dagmar> MOtherfucker those are _latin_ 08:58 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: your logic has no place here 08:58 <@opticron> yeah, I saw it this morning on the "news" at the gym 09:08 <@Shadow404> whats a good wsy to filter for tekeworking jobs when browsing the job sites? 09:08 <@Shadow404> *teleworking 09:14 <@brimstone> wfh.io 09:17 <@Shadow404> ty, exactly what i was looking for 09:26 <@Wilpig> dear god... my coworker sucks at cabling a rack 09:27 <@Wilpig> anyone want to take a guess as to which part of this I just redid? https://www.dropbox.com/s/2p92i93yfi16uqh/2014-03-11%2009.26.59.jpg 09:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-03-11 09.26.59.jpg (at www.dropbox.com) 09:31 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-142-139.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 09:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 09:31 <@Catonic> AT&T can lick a fetid goat taint. 09:36 <@Wilpig> Catonic: any particular reason? 09:39 -!- Corydon76-home [~quassel@c-69-137-93-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-home] by ChanServ 09:43 <@Catonic> well... my DSL went down 09:43 <@Catonic> after it didn't come back on Monday, I called them to open a ticket. But they wouldn't take one without me being at the modem to complete testing. 09:44 <@shapr> Goood morning peoples! 09:45 <@Catonic> So I called them this morning... 46 minutes later, my backup DSL modem is online, and my old DSL modem is dies when it goes into DSL sync. Which it didn't do before. And, I caught a section in the logs where it was logged into by a 64.x.x.x address remotely before it went tits up 09:45 <@Catonic> But AT&T politely informed me my modem was defective, and offered to sell me a replacement modem for $75. 09:45 <@Wilpig> sounds like typical big isp shenanigans 09:46 <@Catonic> 1) You called me a liar. 2) You broke my shit. 3) You blamed me for it. and 4) You're disclaiming any responsibility for the four days of downtime I experienced before you killed my modem. 09:46 <@Dagmar> Catonic: So hard reset it 09:46 <@Catonic> I'm looking for firmware updates when time allows. 09:46 <@Catonic> apparently the modem -- in .au -- is ADSL2 capable. 09:48 <@Catonic> Dagmar: I've reset it to factory defaults a few times. I suspect they pushed an update to it which was corrupted. 09:48 <@Catonic> but... it's not a modem they support... yet somehow they were able to fux0r it. 09:49 <@Catonic> the real kicker? The modem doesn't terminate the PPPoE session. The modem was in bridge mode until I configured it to connect so I could get through the stupid script they have on Tier 1 09:51 <@Dagmar> So next time don't let them login to it 09:51 <@Catonic> It's one of those modems they have, so they have backdoor passwords and shit 09:52 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:52 <@Catonic> If you actually own your own modem and know it inside out and sideways, they won't do anything on tech support but a truck roll, and they'll threaten you with a $35+ fee if there isn't a problem 09:53 <@Catonic> and these are the same dickholes who provisioned my DSL line on a 20,000 ft cable 09:53 <@Catonic> excuse me, 25kft 09:53 <@Catonic> ADSL doesn't train beyond 19KFT, period. 09:54 <@Catonic> I've rolled this around about every way I can and I cannot find a way around it. Either I pay them, or I pay them through someone else and the other providers have worse access agreements. 09:54 <@Catonic> Megapath basically says "we reserve the right to restructure our business and revenue models." 09:56 <@Catonic> If 2000 was the height of dotcom, freedom, liberty and consumer choice, 2012+ is the beginning of the dark ages. 09:57 <@Catonic> I don't really like to bitch, piss, and moan, but damn if I'm not good at it. 09:59 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01 <@Corydon76-home> Catonic: sounds like, in your case, it really would benefit you if the FCC reclassified Internet access as a telecommunication service 10:01 <@Corydon76-home> That would mean they would once again have to allow any device to connect to their network 10:10 <@Catonic> Corydon76-home: I would benefit from AT&T being broken back up and reclassified instead of taking advantage of regulatory capture as they have since the post-cold-war days. 10:11 <@Catonic> I need some sort of reverse access, but short of VPN into a Pi in colo, I can't see a way to do it. 10:12 <@Catonic> internet over cell won't allow inbound connections unless you pay $500 up front. And then you still have 5+G shenanigans. 10:13 <@Catonic> really, truly... the customers would benefit the most from an open infrastructure and/or competition in the last mile space. 10:13 <@Catonic> but the minute anyone discovers a market that hasn't been tapped, telco comes barging in in five years or less with a low price to capture customers. 10:14 <@Catonic> once competiton has been neutralized, the prices go up 10:16 <@Corydon76-home> Catonic: who's your local cable provider? 10:17 <@Corydon76-home> Comcast is pretty terrible here, but at least they're not AT&T 10:26 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 10:34 < nachoguy> my AT&T is pretty nice 10:39 <@Corydon76-home> nachoguy: when was the last time you had an outage, and how good were they about acknowledging the problem and fixing it? 10:39 <@brimstone> nachoguy: it seems as your AT&T is changing your text as you send it 10:39 <@brimstone> it looks like you said your AT&T was "pretty nice" 10:40 <@Corydon76-home> My only real gripe about outages with Comcast is that they fail to provide any sort of advance notification for planned outages 10:41 <@brimstone> we had route issues on our home comcast connection yesterday around lunchtime 10:41 <@brimstone> the website always said "All good!" and no notification about it 10:42 <@brimstone> maybe business will be better 10:42 <@Corydon76-home> I've had signal issues over the last several days, and when I called, I heard that Comcast was doing planned upgrades on the network 10:43 < nachoguy> Corydon76-home: 2 years ago, pretty good. issue wasn't strictly their fault (Tree trimmers from the city hit the wire). but they came out and ran a new line no issue. 10:43 <@Dagmar> You actually took that answer from them? 10:43 <@Dagmar> Corydon: Here's a little game you can play. If they don't know where you are yet, ask them where these "upgrades" are taking place. 10:43 < nachoguy> the wire wasn't cut, but apparently it was only periodically connecting things, so signal looked up/down and all over the place for strength 10:44 <@Dagmar> That "upgrades" are causing problems is a bullshit story they've been using for years, and we know they do not actually upgrade a fucking thing over there. 10:44 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, they don't connect me to someone until they've established what my account is 10:44 <@Dagmar> Then call them liars stsraight up. I do. 10:44 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: last night at 2 am, I got an automated message to that effect 10:45 <@Corydon76-home> as well as an ETA for when they expected to be done (worst case scenario) 10:45 <@Dagmar> *sigh* 10:46 <@Corydon76-home> So they expected to be out from 2 am to 6 am, and they were done by about 3:30 10:46 <@Corydon76-home> I agree that they used to be pretty horrible, but they've gotten better. 10:47 <@Dagmar> They're still liars. 10:47 <@Corydon76-home> and given that it went down nearly 2 am on the dot, I'm fairly confident that it was, indeed, a planned outage 10:47 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: it's hard to get worse and stay in business 10:47 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: when you have monopoly power, you could get a whole lot worse 10:48 <@Corydon76-home> See AT&T's miserable network based upon Windows 10:49 <@shapr> Neat, AWS supports ECC on the load balancers now. 10:52 <@Catonic> Corydon76-home: brighthouse. They are not net neutral 10:53 <@Catonic> I find it pretty goddamn funny that my DSL modem was solid for MONTHS and then, at 6PM on a Friday, abruptly stopped working. 11:00 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.12.96] has joined #se2600 11:34 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 11:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 11:37 * benthemeek looks around for alive people... *crickets* 11:37 <@klixa> morning benthemeek 11:37 <@benthemeek> And good morning to you m'lady 11:38 <@benthemeek> Has shapr put out a optimistic skippy greeting today so far and I missed it? 11:38 <@klixa> no, he has been slacking 11:47 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING 11:47 * shapr throws optimism at klixa and benthemeek 11:47 * klixa has an optimism overdose 11:47 * shapr optimizes klixa 11:48 <@klixa> :D 11:54 -!- Guest93358 [~diz@c-76-22-170-8.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:54 -!- diz_ [~diz@c-76-22-170-8.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 12:11 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.12.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15 * benthemeek adds shapr's optimism to his coffee and hopes it helps 12:15 <@shapr> hurrah! 12:15 <@klixa> that's not optimism...its adderall 12:15 <@shapr> Is not 12:16 <@shapr> is OPTIMISM 12:16 <@klixa> err, yeah...optiimism!!! and not adderal 12:16 * shapr throws optimism at klixa 12:16 <@klixa> nope...not adderall at all 12:17 <@klixa> why do i have lag? WHYYYYY 12:18 <@Neoteric> anyone on this channel work here ? http://www.icitizen.com/ 12:18 <@Neoteric> or know someone that works there ? 12:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Home | iCitizen (at www.icitizen.com) 12:18 <@Neoteric> or can get me in contact w/ their nerds ? 12:19 <@shapr> klixa: only three seconds 12:20 <@klixa> i htink it might be longr than that at times... 12:38 <@oddball> I am amused: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/10/Gay-Black-Republican-Selling-Guns-Online-for-Bitcoin 12:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Meet the Gay Black Republican Selling Guns Online for Bitcoin (at www.breitbart.com) 12:38 <@shapr> klixa: one second! 12:39 <@klixa> 1 second/s/18 minutes 13:01 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-68-47-228-247.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 13:01 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-68-47-228-247.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 13:21 <@Mirage> 11:16 * shapr throws optimism at klixa 13:22 <@Mirage> Good thing the glass was half-empty 13:24 <@shapr> hahah 13:24 <@shapr> Mirage: you so funny 13:38 <@Dolemite> WTF!? 13:38 <@Dolemite> lmfgtfy.com is no longer online :( 13:39 <@Dolemite> Hopefully this is temporary 13:39 <@klixa> Dolemite: hows the contet going? 13:40 <@Dolemite> Officially down 20 lbs. at the midpoint weigh-in 13:40 <@klixa> yay! congrats Dolemite 13:40 <@Dolemite> There is one guy starving himself. He has lost 1 lb. per day. 13:40 <@klixa> i didnt even know that was possible to lose 1 lb a day 13:40 <@klixa> hes not losing fat tho... so hes hurtung himself 13:40 <@Mirage> klixa: probably involves a knife 14:02 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.12.96] has joined #se2600 14:08 < aestetix> appears twitter broke 14:09 -!- strages__ is now known as strages 14:09 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Google Chrome Beta is a massive fail right now, too 14:12 < aestetix> Twitter signed me out of my account, and wouldn't let me log in 14:12 < aestetix> I knew it was broken when I clicked on "forgot password" and the site broke 14:13 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7381006 and now this 14:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Is Twitter down for anyone else? | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) 14:27 <@Mirage> aestetix: no great loss there 14:27 <@Dolemite> klixa: I dunno, he's got a Sandy Claws belly, too 14:28 <@klixa> lol, sandy claws 14:28 <@RangerZ> http://www.crytek.com/news/conference-attendees-can-also-see-a-brand-new-mobile-game-extra-engine-updates-and-much-more-at-crytek-s-booth 14:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: CRYENGINE adds Linux Support as Crytek Prepare to Offer New Possibilities at GDC | Crytek (at www.crytek.com) 14:28 <@RangerZ> well thats nice to see 14:29 <@RangerZ> meaning Star Citizen will go to Linux/MAC 14:33 <@Dolemite> You know, if PhreakNIC dates have been set, it would be a good idea for [an officer] to update the Facebook page since it can be updated much more quickly than a full website redesign for phreaknic.info (which still should come later). 14:34 * shapr cackles happily 14:35 <@shapr> klixa: Eh, I lost 1 pound a day for about 10 weeks 14:35 <@klixa> 10 weeks? so you lost 70 pounds? 14:35 <@klixa> took me like 7 months to do that 14:36 <@shapr> Yes, I lost 70 pounds in 10 weeks. 14:37 <@klixa> shapr: have you kept it off? 14:44 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 14:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 14:53 <@shapr> klixa: Yeah, if I don't exercise regularly my weight drops towards 210 14:54 <@shapr> At this point I'm just trying to build muscle. 14:54 <@klixa> protein 14:54 <@shapr> I'm trying. 14:59 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: you know, you're an admin for the Facebook page, too, right? 14:59 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-home: I am, but I'm not an officer 15:00 <@Dolemite> Nor have I been asked by any officers to grant them administrative rights 15:00 <@Dagmar> Sorry I completely spaced about the meeting on Friday 15:00 <@Dagmar> If there's anyone that needs killing I'll get right on it first thing next month 15:00 * shapr fires up Left 4 Dead 2 for the killing 15:01 <@Dagmar> shapr: I wasn't talking about videogames. 15:01 <@shapr> aww 15:05 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:05 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has joined #se2600 15:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dickie] by ChanServ 15:06 * shapr hugs Dickie for great goodness 15:10 <@Mirage> Wilpig: it's annoying how much space those new things in that place are. i'm re-encoding them. 15:10 <@Wilpig> well... I started getting the higher quality versions of things 15:10 <@Wilpig> so yeah they are bigger 15:11 <@Wilpig> some jerk that pays me showed me the better looking versions and got me to getting them 15:12 <@Mirage> Frozen is the only one that pisses off my mythtv box. not sure if it's the atom, the ion2, or the Wireless N that's having the issue with it. 15:12 <@shapr> movies? 15:12 <@shapr> oh 15:12 <@Wilpig> prolly the ion 15:13 <@Mirage> I haven't tried in the den yet on the one that has the radeon in it. 15:13 <@Wilpig> this is why 15:13 <@Wilpig> Video Resolution 1080p 15:13 <@Wilpig> Duration 1:42:12 15:13 <@Wilpig> Bitrate 7614 kbps 15:13 <@Wilpig> Width 1920 15:13 <@Wilpig> Height 856 15:13 <@Wilpig> Aspect Ratio 2.20 15:13 <@Wilpig> Container MKV 15:13 <@Wilpig> Video Frame Rate 24p 15:13 <@shapr> Are you streaming that from another box? Is there such a thing as re-encoding on the fly? 15:14 <@Mirage> I can watch 1080i OTA off my HDHomerun just fine. 15:14 <@Wilpig> shapr: I can stream it straight from my server or plex and reencode on teh fly down to something smaller 15:15 <@Mirage> shapr: i thnk dolemite had some bit of hardware that did mpeg->h.264 on the fly 15:15 <@shapr> huh, almost makes me wish I watched movies so I could play with the software. 15:16 <@Dolemite> I have an HD-PVR that takes component video and encodes h.264 on the fly 15:16 <@Dolemite> interface is USB 15:16 <@Mirage> Wilpig: i'm using ffmpeg to drop it down to 720p, makes a huge diff on footprint. 15:17 <@Mirage> of course i'm doing it command-line, so i won't get to see how it looks until i get home tonight. 15:18 <@Wilpig> yes that it does. the difference on my tv between sd and 1080 is negligible but on the monitor at work I can see a huge difference 15:19 <@Mirage> Wilpig: seen Grown Ups 2 yet? 15:19 <@Wilpig> Mirage: yes. it's in that place where I put things too 15:20 <@Wilpig> it's not bad. seen worse 15:20 <@Mirage> I watched it on Showtime. It was good for a sequel...better than I expected. 15:20 <@Wilpig> did you go see the wind rises yet? 15:21 <@Mirage> nope 15:21 <@Wilpig> it is most excellent 15:21 <@Dolemite> Ok, later kids! Time to head ou. 15:21 <@Dolemite> out 15:21 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:23 <@Mirage> Wilpig: historical drama? no tentacles? 15:24 <@shapr> hysterical drama? MY FAVORITE 15:25 <@Mirage> hysterical drama: Any "serious" film staring Jim Carrey or Wil Farrel 15:25 <@shapr> :-) 15:27 <@Mirage> Wilpig: the English Dub casting is impressive. 15:31 <@Dagmar> Man those doctors in Florida really piss me off. 15:31 <@Dagmar> Intubating little kids because of LSd 15:31 <@Dagmar> Pfft. 15:31 <@Dagmar> That's madness. 15:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32 <@Dagmar> "What *should* they have done?" Practically the same thing you do with bored ravers. Give 'em some crayons and some juice boxes, put them in a soothing room someplace and wait it out while you keep them from doing something incredibly weird like trying to climb into an air duct or trash can. 15:33 <@Dagmar> This shit ain't hard. 15:33 <@shapr> I wonder if I'd fit in an air duct. 15:33 * shapr looks 15:33 <@Dagmar> If they were acutally on LSD, which I doubt unless that family was eating the meat _raw_--the intubation probably caused some fairly heavy trauma 15:34 <@shapr> hm, not any around here 15:34 <@brimstone> https://www.facebook.com/phreaknic/posts/759742667390152 "This content is currently unavailable" 15:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Content Not Found (at www.facebook.com) 15:34 <@brimstone> good tweet guys 15:34 <@shapr> Man, I want to go to phreaknic 15:34 <@brimstone> then go 15:34 <@shapr> OK! 15:34 * shapr buys a ticket 15:35 <@shapr> ok, how do I buy a ticket? 15:36 <@Corydon76-home> Not on sale just yet 15:37 <@Wilpig> Good they sent the call for papers to the guy that doesn't check his email! Excellent choice! 15:44 <@Corydon76-home> He wants to run speakers; we shall let him. 15:44 <@Wilpig> he doesn't check his fucking email 15:44 <@Wilpig> this is a known fact 15:45 <@Corydon76-home> Well, then he'll fail to put on a good con, and we'll know that for next year 15:45 <@Wilpig> i've still yet to see a contract and he just announced a date and hotel 15:45 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 15:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 15:48 <@Corydon76-home> We've got plenty of time for that yet 15:48 <@Dagmar> DOn't be foolish 15:48 <@Corydon76-home> Nothing becomes critical until August 15:48 <@Dagmar> Ain't nobody got time fo dat 15:49 < nachoguy> There's a date? 15:49 <@Corydon76-home> Halloween weekend 15:50 < nachoguy> Seriously? 15:50 <@Dagmar> Gosh... The news today is just astonishing... 15:50 <@Corydon76-home> Yep 15:50 <@Dagmar> You mean people set up _insecure_ Wordpress sites? 15:50 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: is there any other kind? 15:50 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: there is such a thing as a _secure_ wordpress install? 15:51 < nachoguy> this smells a lot like PN 13 15:51 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: yes, but basically, you'd never know it was wordpess unless they told you 15:51 <@Mirage> Dagmar: lies! 15:51 <@Corydon76-home> nachoguy: except with more planning 15:51 <@Dagmar> Maybe we should make it simple for people. 15:51 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: I think we call those webpages 15:51 < nachoguy> Corydon76-home: PN 13 had more planning? 15:51 <@Wilpig> pn13 had planning? 15:51 <@Dagmar> "IF YOUR SOFTWARE ALLOWS SOMEONE TO MAKE A SERVER TALK TO ANOTHER SERVER WITHOUT AUTHENTICATION, YOU ARE W FUCKWIT." 15:51 <@Corydon76-home> nachoguy: Please. PN13 was tossed together at the last minute 15:52 <@Mirage> Actually, wordpress in and of itself is fairly secure, the modules and templates people install on top of it are where most of the crazy comes in. 15:52 <@Wilpig> 13 was the stupid alien right? 15:52 < nachoguy> I was just looking at the it's fact that it's on Halloween weekend and the person in charge doesn't seem to be talking to anyone else or returning communication 15:52 <@Corydon76-home> Yep 15:53 < nachoguy> PN 13 is the only one I've skipped since 6 15:53 <@Corydon76-home> nachoguy: he is communicating with others 15:53 <@Mirage> Was that the year someone got removed as president? 15:53 <@Corydon76-home> He's just been avoiding IRC, to avoid a flamewar 15:53 <@Wilpig> and just not answering email because he doens't answer email 15:54 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: I think that was 9 or 11 15:55 < nachoguy> Corydon76-home: really, I thought that that was also 13 15:55 <@Mirage> They all just kind of blend together 15:56 <@Corydon76-home> nachoguy: at the end of the year, yes, not in the middle 15:56 < nachoguy> ah 15:56 -!- nachoguy [~boster@198.46.132.189] has left #se2600 [] 15:56 <@Wilpig> in the middle of the year was 9 15:56 <@Wilpig> at the end of the year was after 14 15:56 <@Corydon76-home> After 13 15:57 <@Corydon76-home> 14 was my year 15:57 -!- nachoguy [~boster@198.46.132.189] has joined #se2600 15:57 <@Wilpig> you headed up 15 didn't you? so it was after 14 15:57 <@Corydon76-home> No, 14 15:57 <@Wilpig> so nl did 15, 16, 17? 15:57 <@Dagmar> Eighteen and fifty cents! 15:58 <@Corydon76-home> 14 was justice, 15 was the id badge, 16 was the Mayan, and 17 was the redesign of 3 15:58 <@Mirage> Wilpig: I'm sure they all looked 18 15:59 <@Corydon76-home> 10 was liberty, 11 was robot, 12 was HHGG, 13 was alien 15:59 <@Dagmar> Is this PN18? 15:59 <@Corydon76-home> Yes 15:59 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: yes this is 18 15:59 <@Dagmar> If so, has someone suggested "The Wait Is Over" 15:59 <@Dagmar> Wait, we probably can't use that one 15:59 <@Corydon76-home> PN18: Finally Legal 16:00 <@klixa> barely legal=better 16:00 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, was about to say 16:00 <@Dagmar> That would _really_ be pushing our luck 16:00 <@Dagmar> At least with 'the wait is over' we've got plausible deniability 16:00 < nachoguy> "Barely legal = better" --Klixa 16:00 < nachoguy> should put that on the tshirt 16:00 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: we've still got plausible deniability 16:01 <@Dagmar> No, with 'barely legal' as a byline, we might get flak from Hustler 16:01 <@Dagmar> _especially_ _if_ _we_ _start_ _outranking_ _the_ _porn_ 16:01 <@Corydon76-home> I doubt we even register on their radar 16:02 <@klixa> Dagmar: stole all the _ 's 16:02 <@Dagmar> Well, at a few points we've had higher pagerank than Freaknic for 'Freaknix' 16:02 <@Dagmar> er 'Freaknic' 16:02 <@Wilpig> "I can vote!" 16:03 * klixa listens to alice cooper "IM 18!" 16:03 <@Dagmar> 'ROCK THE GOTE' 16:05 <@Corydon76-home> PhreakNIC 18: Drafted 16:06 <@Wilpig> ^ 16:06 <@Dagmar> Perhaps "Time to head to Canada" 16:06 <@klixa> conscientios objector 16:07 <@Corydon76-home> PhreakNIC 18: burning our draft cards since 2014. 16:07 <@klixa> still cat buy vodka 16:08 <@Corydon76-home> PhreakNIC 18: still "water" after all these years 16:08 <@klixa> time to move out of the bsement 16:09 * notlarry had that single 16:11 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, dear god, the weather is AWESOME outside 16:11 <@notlarry> Corydon76-home: fuck off! 16:11 <@klixa> https://www.dropbox.com/s/eg3bredjhk9s7vd/very%20rough%20draft.jpg this is what Wilpig and i kinda not seriosuly came up with one day 16:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - very rough draft.jpg (at www.dropbox.com) 16:12 <@Shadow404> random phreak question 16:12 <@notlarry> Who's name was at the top of the whiteboard at phreaknic 4 16:13 <@notlarry> was that random enough for you? 16:13 <@Shadow404> is it pissible to get a 56k modem to work over a cordless phone to a hardwire receiver? 16:13 <@Shadow404> possible 16:13 <@Shadow404> heh 16:13 <@notlarry> no 16:14 <@notlarry> I mean, you could probably wire up something to the tranceiver, but the phone base is what communicates with the pbx, the phone to base is a straight up audio wireless 16:15 <@Shadow404> how do u dial numbers on the remote handset then? 16:15 <@Shadow404> tones or does it control a dialer on the receiver? 16:22 <@notlarry> good question. You should get get an audio coupler for it. 16:27 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.12.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:27 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.12.96] has joined #se2600 16:29 <@Dagmar> Damnit there was a badass demo on ycombinator last night and now I can't find it 16:30 <@Dagmar> Massive clusters of floating node maps on the screen 16:32 <@Dagmar> I *thought* it was called anchorjs but that's apaprently wrong 16:34 < aestetix> Dagmar: https://www.oximity.com/article/RightsCon-Event-Report-Anonymity-Pseud-1 16:34 < aestetix> The writeup didn't capture everything in the panel, but it's good nonetheless 16:36 < aestetix> how the fuck is phreaknic on year 18 16:38 <@Wilpig> aestetix: the exhaulted one, jonnyx, has kept it running for 18 years with no help from anyone. all praise to him 16:39 <@Dagmar> Did anyone else see what I was talking about last night? It was beautiful 16:39 <@Dagmar> It wasn't sigma.js but very similar 16:40 <@Wilpig> dag, between my food poisoning and the daylight savings douchebaggery i went home last night and passed out 16:41 <@Dagmar> Here we go 16:41 <@Dagmar> http://arborjs.org/halfviz/#/date-with-destiny 16:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: arbor.js » halfviz (at arborjs.org) 16:41 <@Dagmar> Motherfucking awesomeness 16:41 * klixa gives Wilpig some peppermint tea 16:42 <@Dagmar> THe main site is (obviously) here: http://arborjs.org/ 16:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: arbor.js (at arborjs.org) 16:42 <@Dagmar> Note that one apparently doesn't do anything but hand it a data structure 16:43 <@Dagmar> It works out the proper shape on the fly 16:43 <@Dagmar> *probably* doesn't work for shit on IE or netbooks 16:44 * shapr gives klixa some Laphroaig 16:44 * klixa is drunk now 16:44 <@shapr> yay! 16:44 <@Dagmar> One may also grab a node and drag it somewhere to reposition it, and the whole thing moves 16:47 <@Dagmar> Still not as awesome as http://arborjs.org/halfviz/ 16:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: arbor.js » halfviz (at arborjs.org) 16:47 <@Dagmar> @#$@# 16:49 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:55 -!- NoFault1 [~NoFault@c-68-47-228-247.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:58 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-68-47-228-247.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59 <@notlarry> So, we have an administrator walks by me wearing a pink shirt and I say "I've got that book." "What book?" "The pink shirt book." and what I get is that slightly tilted look the dog gives me when he sees me masterbating. wtf? Who are these people? 16:59 -!- rattleX is now known as rattle 16:59 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@74.10.169.50] has quit [Changing host] 16:59 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 16:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 17:00 <@shapr> yay drama! 17:00 <@klixa> notlarry: damn, how young are they 17:00 * shapr saddles up the drama llama 17:01 <@notlarry> Not young enough to not know. 17:01 <@shapr> heh 17:01 <@notlarry> Shit, that is mentioned in a movie somewhere too isn't it? 17:01 <@rattle> Well, I just remembered about an hour ago that I'm keynoting a conference on Thursday. 17:01 <@shapr> My library has a copy of the dragon book, and I have a copy of the wizard book. 17:01 <@rattle> And this is funny, because I forgot what city it was in. 17:01 <@shapr> rattle: at least you didn't show up TOTALLY unprepared! 17:01 <@klixa> notlarry: yeah, in hackers 17:02 <@rattle> So I had to figure that out.. Then frantically book travel. 17:02 <@rattle> So yeah, I'm an idiot. 17:02 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: You should get this book http://i.imgur.com/INBvStO.png 17:02 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has joined #se2600 17:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dickie] by ChanServ 17:02 <@shapr> Yay! Dickie is back from outer space! 17:07 <@klixa> shapr: but it doesn't matter...cause you aren't that chained up little girl still in love with him 17:08 <@notlarry> Dagmar: :) Saw that yesterday. 17:09 <@notlarry> shapr: No he's not. 17:09 <@notlarry> He is still in outer space 17:10 <@notlarry> Dagmar: cp/m. peeking and poking to do code. jfkm 17:13 <@notlarry> Convincing my business partner that a book with this cover was needed - http://cache1.bdcdn.net/assets/images/book/large/9780/1315/9780131510517.jpg 17:14 <@klixa> i think a book with nyan cat unicorn notlarry is needed 17:17 <@notlarry> I got your nyan cat unicorn horn right here... 17:21 * klixa swoons 17:21 <@klixa> you're such a romantic notlarry 17:26 -!- brimston3 [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 17:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimston3] by ChanServ 17:27 -!- kive_ [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-caxuqkrmtaoxqlhw] has joined #se2600 17:27 -!- kive [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vikhglkjirenptbt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:27 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:28 -!- Mirage [~mirage@23-115-72-18.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:28 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 17:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:33 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: eryc, Dementia_, @sdodson_, @SuMo_D, x86Daddy, Synx|hm 17:38 -!- Netsplit over, joins: sdodson_ 17:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sdodson_] by ChanServ 17:39 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: heath, NoFault1, @GateKeeper, @benthemeek, kive_, v4mp, nachoguy, @rattle, strages, @Dickie, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 17:39 -!- eryc [~eric@internetjanitor.com] has joined #se2600 17:39 -!- eryc [~eric@internetjanitor.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:39 -!- eryc [~eric@unaffiliated/internetjanitor] has joined #se2600 17:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o eryc] by ChanServ 17:41 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 17:41 -!- kive [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjuyuvltyofqcthy] has joined #se2600 17:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @Dickie, strages, heath, nachoguy, @benthemeek, @Bahhumbug, @rattle, @GateKeeper 17:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:43 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.12.96] has joined #se2600 17:44 -!- Dementia [~sara@69.50.133.60] has joined #se2600 17:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dementia] by ChanServ 17:45 -!- v4mp [~v4mp@unaffiliated/v4mp] has joined #se2600 17:45 <@Dagmar> LOOOOL 17:45 <@Dagmar> What year is it? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/microsoft_adobe_patch_tuesday/ 17:45 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmedafkcrmktmllx] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: It's 2014 and Microsoft Windows PCs can still be owned by a JPEG • The Register (at www.theregister.co.uk) 17:45 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sszpyxxyfxgxotcu] has joined #se2600 17:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o EnabrinTain] by ChanServ 17:48 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-68-47-228-247.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:02 <@northrup> damn that's sad 18:03 -!- brimston3 is now known as brimstone 18:06 < aestetix> northrup: do you have a friend named grumman? 18:12 < aestetix> http://ov3y.github.io/2048-AI/ 18:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2048 (at ov3y.github.io) 18:37 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.12.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:37 < aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfFxNTGUopg 18:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Feinstein: CIA Spied on Intelligence Committee (Full Speech) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 19:15 <@Dagmar> Interesting. 19:16 <@Dagmar> Hassleton's right. Comcast DNS does seem to be fucking up lare 19:16 <@Dagmar> ar large 19:29 <@Dagmar> I *suspect* it's tied to an ill-considered attempt to block a DDoS from lame Chinese DNS servers. 19:39 -!- Corydon76-home [~quassel@c-69-137-93-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:41 -!- Corydon76-home [~quassel@c-69-137-93-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-home] by ChanServ 19:41 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-68-47-228-247.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 19:41 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-68-47-228-247.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:44 < aestetix> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-March/042804.html 19:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: [Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Sleeper in the DJ Booth (at www.noisebridge.net) 19:44 < aestetix> this email is hilarious 19:47 <@brimstone> it's nice to know i can always sleep at noisebridge 19:48 < aestetix> there is so much hilarity in that email thread 19:50 <@brimstone> i'll just write "no pictures" on a bit of paper and lay it on me 19:50 <@brimstone> ZzZz 19:52 <@Wilpig> brimstone: your paper also needs to read "not asleep" 19:53 <@brimstone> or "Sleep hacking" to open that wound 19:53 < aestetix> hahaha 20:09 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: poke 20:10 <@Wilpig> Shadow404: yeah i'm here give me a few. working on another problem for a paying customer 20:10 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: cool cool 20:11 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19 -!- Mirage [~mirage@23-115-72-18.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 20:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ 20:19 <@Mirage> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nor/4315402256.html 20:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: best of craigslist: Large Power Fist paperweight (at www.craigslist.org) 20:22 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 20:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 20:34 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 20:35 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:42 <@eryc> Dagmar: what did you see fucking up on comcast's dns servers? 20:42 <@eryc> we're just absorbing that stupid chinese ddos.. 20:46 <@Wilpig> any registrar cheaper than 1and1.com for .photography domains? they're selling them for $14.99 a year 20:53 < aestetix> .photography? 20:53 < aestetix> are you kidding me? 20:54 < aestetix> how many people can even spell that 20:55 <@Shadow404> anyone over the age of 8 20:55 < aestetix> Shadow404: are you getting a .buttplay domain? 20:56 -!- GateKeeper [~gatekeepr@unaffiliated/gerdesas/bot/jrd-bots] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:56 -!- GateKeeper [gatekeeper@unaffiliated/gerdesas/bot/jrd-bots] has joined #se2600 20:56 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o GateKeeper] by ChanServ 20:56 -!- heathjs [quassel@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:6e5b] has joined #se2600 20:56 -!- heathjs [quassel@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:6e5b] has quit [Changing host] 20:56 -!- heathjs [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #se2600 20:57 -!- Weredickie [~Dickie@75.76.59.66] has joined #se2600 20:58 -!- rattleX [~rattleXx@74.10.169.50] has joined #se2600 20:58 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:58 -!- heath [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:59 <@Wilpig> aestetix: I don't care for the new TLDs I think it was a horrible decision made by people that have no business being involved with the inner workings of the net 20:59 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:59 <@Shadow404> aestetix: if ICANN releases that sure 21:00 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: like politicians 21:00 <@Wilpig> precisely 21:01 < aestetix> Wilpig: also, the whole $100k down payment to get a TLD 21:01 < aestetix> ICAAN has made some really fucking bad decisions lately 21:01 -!- strages_ [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pldvjvvlyfgldyqx] has joined #se2600 21:01 <@Shadow404> aestetix: they got infrastructure to pay for 21:01 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-arhpukzulofxqpdq] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:01 -!- strages_ is now known as strages 21:01 <@Shadow404> but i sorta side with you on decisions 21:02 -!- nachoguy [~boster@198.46.132.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:03 -!- kive_ [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qrjmdmustmwpcjuw] has joined #se2600 21:03 <@Shadow404> klixa: ping 21:04 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04 -!- kive [sid19953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjuyuvltyofqcthy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04 -!- kive_ is now known as kive 21:04 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has joined #se2600 21:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Bahhumbug] by ChanServ 21:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Bahhumbug] by GateKeeper 21:05 -!- rattleX [~rattleXx@74.10.169.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:05 -!- nachoguy [~boster@198.46.132.189] has joined #se2600 21:06 <@klixa> Shadow404: pong 21:07 <@klixa> i used to live near ICAAN 21:07 <@klixa> speaking of taht 21:10 <@Mirage> Wilpig: Weird Science is a bad for me. 21:11 <@Wilpig> didn't play? worked fine for me 21:11 <@Wilpig> watched it a few times now 21:11 <@Mirage> ~40m in it just starts buffering and hangs w/ MPC and VLC 21:11 <@Wilpig> that was the one that locked up my damn wdtv though 21:12 <@Wilpig> no wait tha twas wargames 21:12 <@Mirage> I'll grab it again and see 21:12 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12 <@Wilpig> if you want I can get you an ssh connection to that server and you can scp it off or rsync it off 21:13 <@Mirage> i'll worry about it next time...or not 21:15 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 21:19 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@74.10.169.50] has joined #se2600 21:23 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: its working now 21:23 <@Shadow404> th 21:23 <@Shadow404> *thx 21:31 < aestetix> Shadow404: what's the biggest device you've ever shoved into your butt? 21:32 <@Mirage> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nor/4315402256.html 21:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: best of craigslist: Large Power Fist paperweight (at www.craigslist.org) 21:32 < aestetix> haha 21:32 <@Shadow404> does it ever end aestetix? 21:32 < aestetix> Shadow404: not if you go deep enough 21:33 <@Shadow404> lawl 21:33 < aestetix> Mirage: that's a new meaning to black power 21:40 <@eryc> how is that on best of craigslist.. it's obviously fake 21:56 -!- Weredickie is now known as Dickie 21:56 -!- heathjs is now known as heath 21:56 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@75.76.59.66] has quit [Changing host] 21:56 -!- Dickie [~Dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has joined #se2600 21:56 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dickie] by ChanServ 22:08 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 22:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixak] by ChanServ 22:22 -!- klixa_ [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 22:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa_] by ChanServ 22:22 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:25 -!- klixak [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:35 -!- klixa_ [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:36 <@Dagmar> Oh hell I drove right past this http://www.wtvf.com/story/24949226/pedestrian-struck-by-train-in-downtown-nashville 22:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Pedestrian Struck By Train Near Downtown Nashville - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports (at www.wtvf.com) 22:36 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 22:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 23:05 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 23:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 23:43 <@oddball> http://imgur.com/gallery/kdTRYCu 23:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD - Imgur (at imgur.com) 23:50 <@SuMo_D> http://www.brobible.com/life/article/magic-the-gathering-tournament-funny/ 23:52 <@oddball> I know a few Magic players, and... yeah... 23:53 <@oddball> One of which is the one that told me that the Wii fit board has a max load.. and he found out the hard way. 23:54 <@oddball> It apparently basically calls you a fat fuck and reboots. 23:56 <@klixa> i am NEVER going to a magic tournament now SuMo_D 23:56 <@klixa> not that i ever was anyway 23:56 <@klixa> but def not now 23:56 <@SuMo_D> I donno there's a place near me that has tourneys was going to try to drop in one day 23:56 <@oddball> klixa: Also, notice that I think I saw *one* girl in the backgroud of any of those pictures. 23:57 <@SuMo_D> I remember when I was the girl trying to get everyone to play when it first came out 23:57 <@klixa> oddball: good point i would get raped 23:57 <@SuMo_D> buy we all gave up quick... cause yeah.. $$$ 23:57 <@SuMo_D> aestetix this one is for you http://mentalfloss.com/article/52293/11-celebrated-artists-who-didnt-quit-their-day-jobs check out #2 23:57 <@GateKeeper> Title: 11 Celebrated Artists Who Didnt Quit Their Day Jobs | Mental Floss (at mentalfloss.com) 23:58 <@oddball> Yeah... I use to play, but I quickly realized that there was a significant amount of "he with the most disposable income wins." Although, there are sealed deck tourneys that avoid that particular issue. 23:58 <@SuMo_D> that sounds like it'd be fun 23:58 <@SuMo_D> but yeah been years since I played 23:59 <@oddball> klixa: More like you'll have half the room trying to tell you how to play. They're either trying to hit on you, or think that you can't possibly know what you're doing because you're a girl. 23:59 <@klixa> oddball: i was making fun of she who must not be named...but yeah --- Log closed Wed Mar 12 00:00:02 2014