--- Log opened Tue Mar 04 00:00:55 2014
00:19 < NoFault1> So I walked into the MDF at work to swap the tapes for off site rotation and notice one of the rack doors are open. Walked over and saw sticky notes on two of the servers with the admin user name and  pass .....
00:25 < NoFault1> Wouldn't be as much of an issue if my boss hadn't caved and allowed half the facility execs to have access
00:28 <@oddball> oh dear.
00:30 <@shapr> SuMo_D: I'm gonna do it anyway
00:32 < NoFault1> oddball: Now that I think of it facilities has access because all of the environmental systems are on the wall in there. Yep, not ok.
00:33 < NoFault1> To clarify, executives in the facility and facilities personnel have access.
00:37 <@SuMo_D> shapr go for it... just not in my machine ;)
00:38 <@shapr> aww
00:38 <@shapr> Can I visit your machine and try it anyway? :-)
00:40 <@SuMo_D> you can visit it.... but no touchy
00:40 <@shapr> aw, ok
00:40 <@shapr> I'll probably use the Huntsville makerspace laser cutter anyway.
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00:41 <@shapr> I've used it for a bunch of things (even cutting glass!) so I'm comfortable with its operation.
00:41  * shapr klix on klixa 
00:41 <@shapr> klixa: it's late, go to sleep!
00:41  * shapr goes to sleep
00:41 <@klixa> no you
00:42 <@shapr> ok, you convinced me
00:42  * shapr &
00:42 <@klixa> ok
00:42 <@SuMo_D> shapr that's awesome
00:43 <@SuMo_D> what kind is it?
00:56 <@klixa> pacific time zone sux...its not even 10pm but irc is dead
00:56 < NoFault1> klixa: nuh uh
00:56  * oddball lurks
00:56 < NoFault1> just mostly dead
00:57 <@klixa> ok, it's in a coma...
00:57 < NoFault1> vegetative or induced?
00:57 <@klixa> induced...because it fades every day
00:57 <@oddball> That's what you get for in on Pacific time and hanging out in a "southeast" channel. :p
00:57 <@klixa> i know :/
00:58 <@klixa> why couldnt nashville NOT be humid and have an ocean...
00:59 < NoFault1> My problem is I work seconds so kids in the morning and irc is slow by the time I get off and I have yet to get irc to work around the blocks at work mostly because I haven't the time
00:59 <@oddball> On the plus side, our ground tends to stand the fuck still. :p
00:59 < NoFault1> Yep
00:59 <@klixa> i have never felt an eqrthquake the entire 7 years i have been here
00:59 <@klixa> 7-ish rather...give or take
01:00 <@oddball> Oh... sorry, I thought you were in southern Cali.
01:00 <@klixa> oddball: i usually am
01:00 <@klixa> it doesnt shake down there either
01:00 <@klixa> most of the earthquakes are in areas no one lives...like out in yeh desert
01:00 <@klixa> also most are tiny
01:01 <@klixa> i have never felt one tho
01:01 <@oddball> Really?  I thought that small quakes happened fairly regularly down there (not everyday, but...)
01:01 <@oddball> ah, gotcha
01:01 <@klixa> they do happen everyday
01:01 <@klixa> 30-ish a day last i looked at a map thing
01:01 <@klixa> but, they are *tiny*
01:02 <@klixa> and remote
01:02 <@klixa> http://www.data.scec.org/recent/
01:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Recent Earthquakes in California and Nevada - Index Map (at www.data.scec.org)
01:03 <@klixa> an example :
01:03 <@klixa> A micro earthquake occurred at 0:05:07 AM (PST) on Monday, March 3, 2014.
01:03 <@klixa> The magnitude 1.5 event occurred 1 km (1 miles) NE (45 degrees) of Hawthorne, CA.
01:03 <@klixa> The hypocentral depth is 9 km ( 6 miles).
01:04 <@klixa> micro...
01:08 < NoFault1> penis
01:10 <@klixa> great, we have 2 aestetix 's now
01:10 <@klixa> :)
01:11 < NoFault1> klixa: you made it too easy
01:11 <@klixa> ok
01:12 <@klixa> NoFault1: what kinda work do you do
01:14 < NoFault1> Desktop/Server Support somewhere between tier 3 and the sys admins
01:16 <@klixa> fun
01:16 < NoFault1> meh
01:16 <@klixa> explains why you have no irc time at work
01:16 < NoFault1> My co-workers refuse to learn and have all been there for at least 5+ years
01:17 < NoFault1> One of them refuses to touch any scripts I write because he doesn't believe I know what I am doing. Oh he has had the same title for 13 years
01:18 < NoFault1> ...and he doesn't know anything about scripting.
01:18 < NoFault1> Did I mention our file/print server is a full 08R2 install with Java
01:18  * NoFault1 shudders
01:19 <@klixa> i cant imagine having same job all that time and not knowing everyting about it
01:19 <@klixa> and zomg my firend's gf is stupid as hell
01:19 <@klixa> shes claiming her friend escaped WW2 germany...but like her friend is way too young
01:19 <@klixa> she seems to think the nazi thing happened 20 years ago or somethin
01:20 <@klixa> i dont udnertstand why some people just like ot make up crazy stuff
01:20 < NoFault1> so her friend is ~ 70?
01:20 <@klixa> no, her friend is like 25
01:20 < NoFault1> Yeah, I think you might be onto something there.
01:21 <@klixa> she does this all the time...though usually not stuff so bltant..i am over hearing her through the wondow talking to someone else
01:21 < NoFault1> Did you inform your friend that the gf needs to be cut loose so natural selection can take place?
01:21 <@klixa> the firend isnt any better really
01:22 < NoFault1> ouch
01:23 <@klixa> lol
01:23 <@klixa> people
01:23 < NoFault1> klixa: so what do you for work?
01:24 <@klixa> they are drunk...thats part of the issue
01:24 <@klixa> i dont work officially... but i fix computers often, i just dont do it wiht enough frequency to have a reliable income form it
01:25 < NoFault1> I used to but some solid store fronts opened up and the volume declined drastically so I sold my soul to a corporation
01:25 <@klixa> yeah, alot of store fronts do the stuff for free now too...like staples, best buy, various places will insytall ram free if you buy it form them
01:26 <@klixa> my last couple of times were all data recovery
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01:26 < NoFault1> I still get the occasional senior citizens by word of mouth and they always pay well and provide baked goods.
01:27 <@klixa> heh, baked goods
01:28 <@klixa> i havent dont anything since before my baby was born; shes 4 months now
01:30 < NoFault1> First?
01:32 < NoFault1> brb
01:39 <@klixa> yeah my first...
01:40 < NoFault1> It can be challenging thats for sure
01:42 <@klixa> i find it incredibly easy actually
01:42 <@klixa> my friend, we're both the same age (35) and she just had her first too...and her expereince is a bit different
01:43 <@klixa> shes worried about EVERYTHING
01:43 <@klixa> she finally took her baby in public hiurs after getting her first vaccines...i didnt bother telling her vaccines dont have an instant affect
01:44 < NoFault1> Their breathing when they sleep is what freaks me out
01:45 <@klixa> yeah, i often check to make sure mine is ok
01:45 <@klixa> shes so still
01:45 <@klixa> most of the time i am holding her///like right now shes sleeping in my lapt
01:46 <@klixa> and shes never more than 5 feet away from me ever
01:48 < NoFault1> Just wait until she can talk back
01:48 <@klixa> she already does! lol
01:48 <@klixa> shes very vocal...and animated
01:48 < NoFault1> I was thinking more like back talk
01:49 < NoFault1> My son will be 5 in april
01:49 <@klixa> i wasnt supposed to be able to have kids...so...im even looking forward to the bad stuff
01:49 < NoFault1> That's how we are with our second
01:51 <@klixa> i woulnt mind having more...btu the father and i are having issues (we were together 13 years..pregnancy/baby seemed to be too much stres for him)
01:51 <@klixa> hes nearly 50
01:51 < NoFault1> It was hard for me and my drinking went way up the first few months
01:54 <@klixa> my bf reacted by cheating, wanting to leave me, and doing some drugs briefly...
01:54 <@klixa> well ex...we're not together atm..we're "roommates"
01:55 <@klixa> im just... ignoring everything for awhile
01:59 < NoFault1> And then?
01:59 < NoFault1> Or haven't got that far yet?
01:59 <@klixa> yeah, havent got that far
01:59 <@klixa> one one hand, 13 years is a LONG time...
02:00 <@klixa> on*
02:00 <@klixa> but..im one of the most easy going people normally and i forgive/forget easily..... but i cant stop thnking about what he did
02:00 <@klixa> it plays in my mind over and over again all the time...and it happened in december
02:01 < NoFault1> But at the same time it is no longer just yourself you have to look out for
02:03 <@klixa> well, from a practical view point, the best thing to do is get over it and stay
02:04 <@klixa> hes a good father
02:05 <@klixa> anyway, yeah...im not trying to make any decisons atm...im still under the influence of excess estrogen and stuff and dont wanna make any decisions
02:06 < NoFault1> Yeah that does make it tough
02:13 <@klixa> im falling asleep.... night
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07:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:30 <@Wilpig> no u
07:31 <@Dolemite> Oh go slice some of your belly off and fry it up
07:31 <@Dolemite> I need some bacon
07:32 <@Wilpig> I have a bag of bacon jerkey right here on my desk
07:32 <@Dolemite> Heh, you can definitely tell that I didn't walk around the pond or go to the gym at all yesterday.  As of 7:32 AM I already have 60% as many steps taken as I did for all of yesterday.
07:33 <@Wilpig> slacker
07:34 <@Dolemite> I walked in the snow a few weeks back.  It's the sleet that I couldn't handle.
07:34 <@Dolemite> Wet and frozen.  Plus the boardwalk over one section of the pond (about 200') looked to be iced over.
07:34 <@Wilpig> then you could have gone ice skating
07:34 <@Wilpig> now you're just making excuses.  who are you? president of nashville 2600?
07:35 <@Dolemite> And then Mr. 8 wanted me to help him with a project, so I decided to do that instead of go to the gym.
07:35 <@Dolemite> Wilpig: Former
07:35 <@Dolemite> I need to figure out who to officially ask to borrow the pig box
07:35 <@Wilpig> I'd say Corydon76-work would be sufficient
07:35 <@Dolemite> It doesn't sound like they're going to need it this PhreakNIC, and I could sure use it this summer with scouts
07:36 <@Dolemite> And I'll be in Nashvegas on March 20 for the AFCOM TN Meeting...   so if I could arrange a pickup, that would be awesomesauce
07:36 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-work: You there?
07:37 <@Wilpig> Dolemite: I added Real Genius to my movie store last night
07:37 <@Dolemite> You didn't already have that one?
07:37 <@Wilpig> weird right?
07:37 <@Dolemite> I've got it in a box on DVD somewhere.  heh.
07:38 <@Wilpig> I didn't have that, wargames or weird science and I own all of them on dvd
07:38 <@Dolemite> I'm going to start weeding through my XViD encoded movies and decide to either re-encode in h.264 or delete.  A bunch of them are movies I watched once and doubt I'll ever want to watch again.
07:38 <@Dolemite> Slacker^3
07:39 <@Wilpig> why stop at h.264 and not just jump to the new hotness of h.265
07:39 <@Dolemite> Haven't even heard of it
07:40 <@Dolemite> But h.264 is natively supported by the Chromecast, while XViD/DiVX is not
07:40 <@Wilpig> short version, way more CPU intense but it can double the quality in about the same file size
07:40 <@Dolemite> Hrmm
07:40 <@Wilpig> really?  xvid isn't supported?  that's crazy
07:40 <@Dolemite> Well I don't know if DVDFab even supports it yet
07:41 <@Wilpig> I've only seen a few files released out there with it
07:41 <@Dolemite> Wilpig:  Actually, I'm not sure.  I know that .avi containers aren't supported and mp4 are.  The encoding itself might be ok.
07:41 <@Wilpig> but only vlc supports it right now
07:42 <@Dolemite> But it was pretty nice being able to lie in bed, turn on the TV with the remote, and cast True Detective to the TV when I tried it out.
07:42 <@Dolemite> from my tablet
07:42 <@Wilpig> One of my arrays is getting full.  I need to shuffle how I'm storing stuff  a bit
07:42 <@Dolemite> brb
07:47 <@Wilpig> time for a coke and watch chozen from last night
07:50 <@Dolemite> Ah.  High fiber granola, coffee, and 3 laps around the pond this morning.  Who need laxatives?  Not this guy.
07:50 <@Wilpig> hahaha "it's probably for the best.  all we would have gotten were hangovers, smoke in our hair, and bugs all up in our dick fur"
07:52 <@Wilpig> is this english?  http://staff.tumblr.com/post/78451152712/march-8-14-will-bookend-a-strong-7-days-in
07:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tumblr Staff (at staff.tumblr.com)
08:34 <@Dagmar> Basically, the Chromecast can play anything the native android video player can manage
08:34 <@Dagmar> Note I say _the native_ one, not MXPLayer or MOboPlayer or any of those
08:35 <@Dagmar> ...but h.264 is a really good target for encoding just the same.
08:50 <@opticron> I really wish they'd made the chromecast dual band or made a 5GHz version
08:51 <@opticron> I can't actually use mine because the area is so saturated on 2.4GHz
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09:04 < aestetix> vagina
09:16 <@shapr> aestetix: yes please?
09:27 < aestetix> HAHAHAHA
09:27 < aestetix> https://airpnp.co/
09:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: AIRPNP | Airpnp (at airpnp.co)
09:30 <@Wilpig> heh
09:41 <@brimstone> http://www.sitorsquat.com/
09:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Welcome to SitOrSquat (at www.sitorsquat.com)
09:41 <@brimstone> http://www.toiletfinder.org/
09:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: ToiletFinder - Welcome to ToiletFinder (at www.toiletfinder.org)
09:42 <@brimstone> there was one, finding lou or something, can't find it now, oddly
09:50 < aestetix> wow
09:50 < aestetix> just wow
09:50 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/hzelOgl.png
09:50 < aestetix> the caption is "the difference a month can make in Russia"
09:58 <@Corydon76-work> opticron: have you considered making your apartment into a Faraday cage?
09:59 <@opticron> I still need cellphones to work and I don't want to deal with what would be necessary to allow cell signals in/out, but not 2.4GHz wifi
10:00 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, right, cellphones.
10:00 <@shapr> opticron: eh?
10:00 <@shapr> oh
10:00 <@shapr> opticron: You could spam RTS on 2.4GHz and kill EVERYBODY's wifi for a few days.
10:01 <@Corydon76-work> I wonder if selectively blocking certain walls adjoining other apartments would be sufficient to clear enough bandwidth without completing blocking cell coverage.
10:01 <@opticron> shapr, I was considering it
10:01 < aestetix> So while I really am not happy with how Obama is handling this
10:01 <@Corydon76-work> Of course, you might block cell coverage for a neighbor or two...
10:01 < aestetix> God it would be so much worse with Romney
10:02 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I seriously doubt it
10:03 < aestetix> You think?
10:04 <@Corydon76-work> When people are outside the Beltway, they think they might do something different, but once you're subject to the barrage of opinions and you lack the opinions from outside, anybody is rationally going to do the same things
10:04 < aestetix> Ok, so you don't think Romney would have handled it any differently?
10:04 <@Corydon76-work> That's why Obama uses drones so heavily
10:04 < aestetix> heh
10:04 <@Corydon76-work> No, seriously
10:05 <@Corydon76-work> He is completely insulated from the criticism
10:05 < aestetix> Unless he reads the news
10:06 <@Corydon76-work> So much of the news is about being able to interact with others and share a common belief about stories
10:07 <@Corydon76-work> If the only people you're interacting with are dismissing the criticism as overblown, guess how you'll view any editorial about the criticism
10:07 < aestetix> fair enough
10:10 <@Corydon76-work> When it comes to day to day management and world crises, any president is going to have the same information fed to them, and, as long as they're rational, they're going to do the same things, red, blue, or independent
10:12 < aestetix> See the thing is
10:12 < aestetix> I think Obama is doing an awful job
10:12 < aestetix> But I can't think of any better way to do it
10:12 < aestetix> It's such a fucked up situation
10:12 <@Corydon76-work> The real difference isn't made by who is the president, but by who he puts into the various ancillary positions.
10:13 <@Dagmar> aestetix: ...and there lies the rub.  That he's not freaking out but is instead handing all this cooly and carefully is what makes him a good President
10:13 <@Corydon76-work> State, Defense, EPA...
10:13 <@Corydon76-work> FCC...
10:13 < aestetix> I mean this isn't quite Cuban Missile crisis level
10:13 < aestetix> But it's certainly tense.
10:14 < aestetix> I can't think of anything in the past decade or so that's been this bad.
10:14 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: It is?
10:14 <@Dagmar> I suspect mainly Putin is trying to spook the Ukraine into calming the fuck down
10:14 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar++
10:14 < aestetix> Dagmar: the Ukraine plays a very important part of Russian history, though
10:14 < aestetix> Well, specifically Kiev
10:14 <@Dagmar> They *really* should have gotten their shit together, one way or the other, by now
10:15 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I still am unclear on why the US president needs to be concerned.
10:15 <@Dagmar> ...but no, there's still too many factions thinking they should be the ones running everything
10:15 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: you mean because this is more of a situation between the EU and Russia?
10:15 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Because it's one country invading another
10:16 < aestetix> But yeah, I'm not sure why the US is getting involved.
10:16 < aestetix> Unless someone asked Obama for help.
10:16 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: Yeah, I didn't care when Iraq did it to... I'm forgetting... Kuwait or whatever.
10:16 <@Dagmar> Typically our response (along with everyone else's) is to say "Hey... that's rude--don't do that."
10:16 < aestetix> Dagmar: yeah, but it eventually turns into a boy who cried wolf thing
10:16 <@Dagmar> We're not "getting involved".  We're just making phone calls.
10:16 < aestetix> Obama warned Russia against invasion. Russia invaded. Now Obama is like "oh hmm"
10:16 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar:  and that's the right level of response
10:17 <@Dagmar> aestetix: You're letting news-hats color your impression of what happened
10:17 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: it is interesting that I have seen a lot more press about Obama, than about the EU
10:17 < aestetix> When this is more of an EU issue.
10:17 <@Dagmar> aestetix: They want to make it sound like "OBAMA THREATENS PUTIN--NO INVASION OR IT'S WAR!" because it sells papers
10:17 <@Dagmar> s/sells papers/gets clicks/
10:17 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: keep in mind that your impression is colored by US-based news outlets
10:18 <@Dagmar> They can't say that because it's _not what happened_ so they tiptoe around it to imply the phone call was more serious than it was
10:18 <@Dagmar> You *really* have to start looking between the lines on these things unless you're dealing with untampered audio recordings
10:18 <@Dagmar> It's rather more likely Obama called Putin to "warn" him that invading is serious shit and will upset a lot of the EU.
10:19 <@Dagmar> *waves finger in air*
10:19 < aestetix> So once again, the issue is US media sucking ass?
10:19 <@Dagmar> Generally, yes.
10:19 <@Dagmar> Now they're trying to stir up shit
10:19 <@Dagmar> This, I think, is simply irresponsible in the extreme
10:20 <@Dagmar> ...but since we're not allowed to hunt free-range Republicans yet, all we can really do is ignore it and try to point out to people that most news agencies are worth the paper they're printed on.
10:20 < aestetix> SO it sounds like what you're saying is that this is a natural extension of an economy fueled by outrage.
10:20 <@Dagmar> That certain factions would capitalize upon this situation to try to push their own agenda that Obama is somehow wear or a liar or not a citizen etc etc is fairly fucking pathetic
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10:21 <@Corydon76-work> It's the natural extension of a news media controlled by what sells papers, rather than what is news.
10:21 < aestetix> The public can be a great sheld, as well as a great weapon, when used properly
10:21 <@Dagmar> Also controlled by Replicans with an axe to grind
10:21 <@Dagmar> i.e., party propaganda.
10:22 <@Dagmar> I know we like to believe that doesn't happen here, but shit's been fairly messed up since we took in the SS and the KGB.
10:22 < aestetix> uh
10:22 < aestetix> It's been happening here for a long time.
10:22 <@Dagmar> It would be a lot simpler if they'd go ahead and say we shoudl round up all the Mormons into camps or something, so everyone could see what we're dealing with
10:23 <@Corydon76-work> They've pretty much already said so of the undocumented immigrants
10:24 <@Dagmar> I'd like to see them _gone back to Mexico_ and the rich people who were hiring them thrown into jail
10:24 <@Dagmar> ...rounded up into camps, no.
10:24 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: Or of homosexuals
10:25 <@Dagmar> No need to do that
10:25 <@Dagmar> Homosexuals round themselves up and build resorts.
10:25 <@Dagmar> It would be a complete waste of time.
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10:26 <@Dagmar> Marking them?  No... they generally do that on their own as well.
10:26 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, it would be nice if the rich white straight Republicans would stop invading our gay meccas
10:26 <@Dagmar> Mainly the Republicans need to chill out and realize there's no "gay agenda" to make everyone else gay.
10:26 <@Dagmar> ...while there *is* a "Republican agenda" to make everyone else a Republican.
10:27 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: i ran into a "coworker" in the USAFR this weekend... i said something about how our governemnt is trounching our constitution, and he somehow went off on a anti-gay and gays are imoral and runing the military diatribe
10:27 < Synx|hm> i almost punched the guy in the mouth it pissed me off so much
10:27 < Synx|hm> trouncing (sp?)
10:28 <@klixa> i dont get people like that... homeosexuality has NOTHING to do with what you said
10:28 <@Dagmar> I'd have subtly suggested they start screening for intelligence, since clearly we're dealing with a wholly substandard portion of the population.
10:28 < Synx|hm> lol
10:29 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: there is an agenda within some portion of the gay community to get the larger culture to quit labeling so heavily... so that if you sleep with a guy just once, you're permanently labeled as gay, allowing people to sleep with whom they please when they want without fearing eternal labeling.
10:29 <@Dagmar> I'm afraid I have no comment to make on the situation at this time.
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10:29 <@Dagmar> <.<
10:29 <@Dagmar> >.>
10:29 < Synx|hm> klixa: ya i dont get it either, no idea how he made the leap to that, also... I'm glad for him that he is a "man of faith" however he is in no way obligated to push his bullshit on me or anyone else, and to say christian morales apply to everyone made me livid
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10:30 < Synx|hm> i need to move out of this shithole and get to a place where people are normal and respect eachother
10:31 < Synx|hm> Hope to be up in Nashville in a few months looking for a place to live
10:31 < Synx|hm> i hope its a step in the right direction
10:31 <@Dagmar> lol
10:31 <@klixa> Synx|hm: he, i thought you were in nashville...um...people arent any less messed up there
10:31 < Synx|hm> oh lovely
10:31 <@Dagmar> You can help me put up threatening flyers.
10:31 <@klixa> the south in general has this whole anti gay/pro god thing going on
10:31 < Synx|hm> :)
10:31 <@klixa> i live in cali...a bunch of atheists homos here....
10:31 <@klixa> :D
10:31 < aestetix> what does anti gay have to do with pro god?
10:31 < Synx|hm> lol, im from LA :)
10:32 <@klixa> aestetix: in the south they go together
10:32 < Synx|hm> aestetix: southern baptists?
10:32  * klixa was raised southern baptist o_O
10:32 <@klixa> in nashville
10:32 < aestetix> That doesn't make any sense
10:32 <@Dagmar> "Dear stupid people, Stop pushing for Creationism to be taught in Science classes, or we start pushing for Darwinism to be taught in Sunday School.  Sincerely, the Smart People."
10:32 < aestetix> Wasn't jesus all like "love each other"
10:32 < Synx|hm> i cannot fucking stand my prissy neighboors who proclaim their faith but are backwards ass fuck sticks that stab eachother in the back every chance then get
10:33 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: people often use religion to excuse their close minded positions, so they don't have to justify their bigotry
10:33 <@klixa> aestetix: havent you seen the whoel GOD HATES FAGS thing?
10:33 < aestetix> klixa: yes, I was hoping that shit had died away
10:33 < aestetix> But maybe I just live in a bubble
10:33 <@klixa> aestetix: granted, mpst people arent *that* extreme...but most christians dislike homosexuals
10:33 <@klixa> aestetix: did you see the memphis laws they were trying to get passed in here a few weeks ago
10:33 < Synx|hm> klixa: where in cali?
10:33 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: only most evangelicals
10:33 <@klixa> the anti gay legislation
10:33 < aestetix> nope
10:33 <@klixa> or *did* it get passed? i dont remeber if it did, or if they wanted it to
10:34 <@klixa> Dagmar posted stuff about it aestetix
10:34 <@klixa> that would never happen here where we are
10:34 <@Dagmar> Veeeeetod if I remember correctly
10:34 <@klixa> good, it needed vetoed
10:34 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: you talking about Arizona?
10:34 <@klixa> Synx|hm: oakland atm
10:34 < aestetix> So it sounds like religious ignorance is still very strong in the south
10:34 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: no, i was talking about memphis, tn
10:34 <@Dagmar> Gov of Arizona vetod their insane bill as well
10:34 < Synx|hm> klixa: i miss cali very much :(
10:34 <@Dagmar> ...because I suspect they don't want to miss out on another Super Bowl
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Ignorance, period, is still very strong in the South
10:35 < aestetix> wait
10:35 <@klixa> Synx|hm: where are you now? i almost moved back to nashville, i was there in december for awhile
10:35 < aestetix> how do you establish that someone is gay
10:35 <@Dagmar> hehehe
10:35 <@Dagmar> hehe
10:35 < aestetix> Do you give them a form to fill out? Check the box if you're gay, yes/no
10:35 < Synx|hm> klixa: ive been in Shreveport, LA (the armpit of america) for 7 years
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: it's more about the perception, correct or not
10:35 < aestetix> uh
10:36 <@klixa> Synx|hm: hey, you live near Sookie and Bill the Vampire! lol :P
10:36 < aestetix> I know several guys who are straight but act very flamy
10:36 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Yep, and they would be discriminated against
10:36 < aestetix> but they aren't gay
10:36 < aestetix> that doesn't make any sense
10:36 <@Corydon76-work> But they're PERCEIVED to be gay
10:36 <@klixa> aestetix: when i was 12 i wore black nail polish and people screamed "SATAN WORSHIPPER" at me
10:36 <@klixa> thats how the south rolls
10:36 <@klixa> and it was by multiple peopel often
10:37 < Synx|hm> klixa: ha, this place is a SHIT HOLE, it... no shit... smells like shit, something about the river
10:37 <@Dickie> They are perceived to be weak
10:37 < aestetix> But you can't control someone's perception
10:37 <@Dickie> and feminine
10:37 <@Dickie> Sure you can. Through violence!
10:37 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: You can control whether discrimination occurs in public accomodations, though
10:37 < aestetix> sure
10:37 <@Dickie> Through violence!
10:37 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: that's what this is about.
10:37 < aestetix> But then the law is not actually about being gay
10:37 <@klixa> aestetix: non gay, but "fem" acting men would be hated too
10:38 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Nope, never was
10:38 < aestetix> So if I act masculine but I'm gay, I'm ok?
10:38 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: The law was about allowing people to act on their bigotry
10:38 < aestetix> that hurts
10:38 < aestetix> That's like.... bad tech law level stupid
10:39 <@Corydon76-work> Yep
10:39 <@Dickie> Good point. We should make them wear some sort of insignia
10:39 <@Dickie> Like a purple triangle or something
10:39 <@Dickie> Just bouncing ideas around
10:39 < aestetix> Dickie: might I suggest a pink star of david?
10:39 <@klixa> Synx|hm: Tac-aroma (real name Tacoma) WA has a similar phenomena
10:39 <@klixa> Synx|hm: the water is polluted with paper making chemiclas if i recall
10:39 <@klixa> i cant believe someone tried to get something like that passed
10:39 <@klixa> ion 2014
10:39 <@klixa> in*
10:39 <@Mirage> Dickie: rainbow...
10:39 <@Dickie> *woosh*
10:39 <@klixa> Synx|hm: im usually in LA too; specifically Topanga... what part of LA were you from
10:40 < aestetix> So this is why when I'm in the south and I openly talk about sex, everyone gets nervous
10:40 < Synx|hm> klixa: lived in Santa Monica for a while, then up in Agora, also spent alot of time around Granada Hills area
10:40 <@Dickie> prudish doesn't necessarily suggest bigotry
10:40 < Synx|hm> Agoura
10:41 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: No, that's because they know what they've done when they got drunk
10:41 < aestetix> hahaha
10:42 <@Corydon76-work> What's funny is that you think I'm joking
10:42 <@klixa> Synx|hm: topanga, malibu, santa monica and the valley are where i usually am...but i live din topanga
10:42 <@klixa> i avoid the rest
10:43 < aestetix> ok unrelated question
10:43 < aestetix> is there a good dumbphone that can save contats/sms to an sd card
10:43 < aestetix> hell at this point I may just get an old blackberry
10:43 <@klixa> aestetix: any $20 flip phone will do that
10:43 < aestetix> unless it doesn't have an sd card slot
10:43 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I'm not aware of a dumb phone that HAS an SD card
10:43 < aestetix> like the one I ordered turns out not to have
10:43 <@klixa> wait, to sd card...
10:43 <@klixa> yeah i just saw that
10:44 <@klixa> aestetix: why dont you use smart phones?
10:44 < aestetix> two reasons
10:44 < aestetix> 1. I don't need all that extra glitz, I find it distracting
10:44 < aestetix> 2. Oakladn has a very high rate of people getting mugged for their smartphones
10:44 < aestetix> I know at least two people who have had this happen
10:44 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: get an old one, then
10:44 < Synx|hm> klixa: :) i packed up the wife and kiddo and spent all of Dec and the better part of Jan back there between Calabasas and Tehachapi (way up in the mountains by Edwards AFB)
10:44 <@klixa> i know someone too
10:44 <@klixa> his iPhone got jacked
10:45 < aestetix> yeah
10:45 < aestetix> there is a huge iPhone black market here
10:45 < Synx|hm> klixa: was an awesome trip
10:45 < aestetix> but if I get mugged, the guy will be like "wtf is this stupid phone" and go awahy
10:45 <@klixa> right now, speaking of iphones, the verizon sotre is seling iphone 4's for $100
10:45 <@klixa> no credit check, no contracy
10:45 <@klixa> contract*
10:45 <@Dagmar> ...or buy an extended battery from ZeroLemon so your phone will not only look run for days, it won't look like a sleek, latest-gen model
10:45 < aestetix> I had a friend who got mugged, but he doesn't have a cell phone, and that's what happened
10:46 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Or you could choose to live in a place with less muggers
10:46 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Good example of irresponsible crap http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-putins-crimea-grab-20140303,0,357565.story#axzz2v0CzSZn7
10:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Putin's Crimea grab shows he misunderstands 21st century power - latimes.com (at www.latimes.com)
10:46 <@Dagmar> aestetix: We've done the same fuckinng thing repeatedly in the last wo decades.  Sent a bunch of troops in to stabilize shit.
10:46 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i, unfortunatley, am VERY familiar with Tehacapi...i blew the engine in 2 vehicles in one day on the grape vine
10:47 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i had an rv towing an suv...rv motor blew...so unhooked the suv ...and then it blew too :/
10:47 <@Dagmar> It's irresponsible to write that without taking into account a bit more detail than just "OMG TROOPS!"
10:47 <@klixa> i now no longer own an RV but i do own an suv with a new engine...
10:48 <@klixa> Synx|hm: how old is your kiddo? i just had my first, shes 4 months olf
10:48 <@klixa> old*
10:48 <@Dagmar> aestetix: WHat kind of really pisses me off is that the reporter is aware of the Iraq situation, but just kind of hand-waves it odd
10:48 <@Dagmar> s/odd/off/
10:49 < Synx|hm> klixa: wow that is some bad luck, my son is 7 months (our first), CONGRATS!
10:49 <@klixa> Synx|hm: thanks..congrats to you too
10:49 <@klixa> aestetix: get a knife
10:49 < Synx|hm> klixa: its been an interesting ride thats for damn sure ha
10:50  * shapr klix on klixa 
10:50 < Synx|hm> klixa: also driving across the country with a 6 month old was NOT FUN
10:50 <@shapr> OH HAI KLIXA!
10:50 <@klixa> OH HAI shapr
10:50 <@shapr> How's life?
10:50 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i went from ohio to nashville on a grehound to see my family when she was 5 weeks old; then at 7 weeks went from ohio to LA...then a week later LA to texas...then last week texas to here (the bay)
10:51 <@klixa> Synx|hm: my baby was born to travel i think...she did great
10:51 < Synx|hm> ok... you win
10:51 < Synx|hm> holy jesus that must have been stressful
10:51 <@klixa> Synx|hm: its not a contest :?
10:51 <@klixa> :/ i mean
10:52 < Synx|hm> :)
10:52 <@klixa> Synx|hm: it realy wasnt stressful...before the baby i travelled just as often
10:52 <@klixa> travelling is the norm for me i guess
10:52 <@klixa> i mean, i asked the doctor if it was safe for a baby..with all the bumpy road shaking stuff...and was told it was fine...thats all i was concerened about
10:52 < Synx|hm> ahh, i get stressed about packing shit up for some reason, not sure what it is but as disorganized in my every day life i have to be PERFECT when i pack
10:53 <@klixa> Synx|hm: are you worried you might forget something or what do you mean
10:53 < Synx|hm> i am realizing though now is the perfect time to be traveling, once school happens its going to put quite a damnper on travel
10:54 < Synx|hm> klixa: not forget, though i do overpack, i'm just very OCD about packing stuff in as small a space as possible yet making it accessable and planning on only taking out small day/week packs instead of unpacking an entire car
10:54 <@klixa> shapr: life is good..i have coffee and the sun is shining...how are you
10:54 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i call packing real life tetris
10:54 < Synx|hm> :)
10:54 < Synx|hm> i had a great trip though, minus staying with family for 40days
10:54 <@shapr> I'm having fun writing Python list incomprehensions to build a simple appointment webapp
10:55 <@shapr> [yearweeks.append(week) for week in month for month in yearmonths if yearweeks[-1] != week]
10:55 <@Mirage> klixa: so unpacking is Jenga then?
10:55 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i dont have an actual home... i have lived on the road for years; last time i had a permanent home was about 2 years ago...it was in mendocino...but i live in hotels
10:56 <@klixa> Mirage: unpacking is nt...but realising you need something from a bag in the bottom is like jenga...
10:56 < Synx|hm> klixa: i dream of buying an old school bus and just traveling the country for a few years (i work 99% remote with my job) but i have too many attachments and a USAF reserve commitment that keeps that from being a reality
10:57 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i did it for 3 in a van... i went 3 entire years w/o going *inside* at all
10:57 <@klixa> Synx|hm: it was a camper van, not a normal one...had a built in shower, stove, all that
10:57  * Wilpig yells JENGA!
10:57 < Synx|hm> klixa: that is awesome, im super jelly
10:57 < Synx|hm> klixa: did you find it rewarding and fun?
10:58 < Synx|hm> klixa: also did you work during that time or just save up and do the trade barter thing
10:58 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i did...but i wouldnt wanna do it again....i spent most of that time on the californi coast...ie. Big Sur, Malibu etc
10:58 <@klixa> Synx|hm: my bf and i both worked during that time
10:59 <@klixa> Synx|hm: he's a jack of all trades type...so he would do craigslist gigs... like one example, he redid a roof in denver...it took like 8 hiurs and he made $600
10:59 <@klixa> Synx|hm: that was THE best one... most dont pay that well for so little time
10:59 <@klixa> he built a barn once, that took a week...and he made a thousand
10:59 <@klixa> he designed it too
10:59 < Synx|hm> thats awesome, i love working with my hands, seeing a finished product of something you worked your ass off for is so rewarding
11:00 <@klixa> i...fix computers...truck stops is where that was needed the most cause all those truckers look at hella porn and travel too much to get their laptops fixed easily
11:00 <@Mirage> klixa: _barn_ or barn-style shed?
11:00 <@shapr> I just sit inside and write source code. I'm that blinding programmer underbelly color.
11:00 < Synx|hm> though most of my building experience consists of 10 trips to home depot and a pile of shit when im done
11:00 <@klixa> Mirage: the $1000 was a barn... a 2 story with a loft
11:00 <@klixa> Mirage: but he usually does the barn style sheds
11:01 <@klixa> that was aorunf here actually in morgan hill...those people are moving and want him to build them another one
11:01 < Synx|hm> klixa: thats actually a really great idea i wouldn't have though of the need at truck stops but it makes complete sense
11:02 <@Mirage> I knew a guy that did kind of a hobo thing for a couple years and he made his "living on" money detailing trucks at truck stops.
11:02 <@klixa> Mirage: there are all sorts of jobs at truckstops...especially if you have a cb
11:02 <@klixa> you can advertise what you do...i never did, but many do
11:02 <@Dagmar> "ho wrangler" is a common one
11:03 <@klixa> you dont need a ho wrangler...thers plenty of *lot lizards*
11:04 <@klixa> Synx|hm: selling pirated movies is another way to make movies at truckstops...i only did that a few times...and it was just because someone was looking at my screen and saying how they wanted to see that movie...and one thing led to another
11:04 <@klixa> to make money*
11:05 < Synx|hm> funny enough back in my young teen days i was on a chan on undernet that had a guy who was always oh irc while driving his truck
11:06 <@klixa> i was on irc the whole time myself
11:06 <@Mirage> i feel old now
11:06 <@shapr> Mirage: Why?
11:06 <@klixa> i answered how do you take a shower/how do you eat a zillion times
11:07 <@klixa> i have been on here like 7 years now (irc.freenode) tho i made a new nick/account about a year ago
11:08 <@klixa> Synx|hm: did you take your baby to the ocean?
11:09 < Synx|hm> klixa: yup :)
11:09 <@Mirage> shapr: I saw "..in my young teen days...a guy who was always oh irc while driving his truck" and immediately thought "Damn, he'd need a hell of a long phone cord"
11:10 <@klixa> Synx|hm: me too, um, i use any chance i can to show my baby cause thats the kinda humble parent i am: https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1236823_236310819884451_1285816057_n.jpg
11:10 <@klixa> Mirage: HA
11:10 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: How old will you be this year again?
11:10 <@shapr> Mirage: haha
11:10  * klixa had to use dial up while living in mendocino
11:11 <@klixa> that was 2 years ago and the first time in my life...cause i started in T1
11:11 <@klixa> on*
11:11 <@Mirage> of course "..in my young teen days.." an internal modem was almost unheard of
11:11 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: 41
11:11 <@klixa> im 35
11:11 <@Mirage> klixa: puppy
11:12  * brimstone barks
11:12 < Synx|hm> klixa: haha that picture is great your daughter is adorable
11:12 <@klixa> Synx|hm: thanks :) that was taken...um, 2 months ago when were in LA (thats Malibu)
11:12 < Synx|hm> ive got a few in malibu somewhere on my wifes computer
11:12 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: If you come to Nashville for your birthday, I'll bake you a penis cake.
11:13 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: hopefully that means it will be shaped like one and not out of them
11:13 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: A giant cock, yes
11:14 <@klixa> i think it would be cool to have a circuit board cake
11:14 <@klixa> i think i might make one for my baby's UNbirthday party
11:14 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: w/ special creme filling?
11:15 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: I'm sure I could get Peaches to make some.  ;-)
11:15 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i love malibu
11:16 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: Actually..since Dolemite is unavailable for GeekNIC planning, has anyone else taken the reigns?
11:16 <@Corydon76-work> I don't believe so
11:16 <@Dagmar> We need a spellchecking assassin in here
11:16 <@klixa> geek?
11:16 <@klixa> is this an alternative event...or the renaming of the other one
11:16 <@Corydon76-work> Alternative
11:16 <@Mirage> Dagmar: yeah...reins
11:17 <@Corydon76-work> It's an unconference
11:17 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: tell me more
11:17 <@Mirage> Dagmar: get Nox back in here...
11:17 <@Corydon76-work> Basically it's a get-together of people from in here in Gatlinburg, TN
11:18 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: is it new? or has this been going on yearly too?
11:18 <@Corydon76-work> A shared vacation, if you will.
11:18 <@Corydon76-work> If it happens this year, this year would be the 3rd
11:18 <@klixa> cute http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FvpKx_BNgfw/UX0YLchWwyI/AAAAAAAAEiI/ugPeeSFSf-g/s1600/cake11.jpg
11:18 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: ok, gotcha...i thought maybe it was new this year cause of all the crazy happenign with the other event
11:18 <@Corydon76-work> Around Memorial Day weekend, though for reasons of the crowds, not that weekend
11:19 <@Corydon76-work> First year was the weekend before, second year was the weekend after
11:19 <@Corydon76-work> I won't be available the first full weekend in June, though
11:20 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: my timeshare in Branson is the second week of june
11:20 <@Mirage> Wilpig: Current River!!!
11:22 <@Wilpig> what about current river?
11:23 <@Mirage> I swear I saw somethign in the history last week between you and NL discussing it.
11:23 <@Wilpig> NotLarry says current river often.
11:26 < Synx|hm> can someone in a explain to me wtf happend to mt gox? i heard they got robbed, also heard the us govt put some law in place that fucked them too'
11:27 <@Wilpig> MtGox got fucked by their own arrogance
11:27 < Synx|hm> BTC is still around $600 per though right so it didn't take a complete dive
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11:40 < Synx|hm> klixak: https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/1490721_10202445446753406_1358704248_o.jpg made a stop in vegas on the way to cali
11:41 < Synx|hm> it was about 45 degrees and that guy was in just underwear
11:46 <@klixak> my  net is being stupid...still loading
11:47 < NoFault> klixak: http://s15.postimg.org/lwlre4rcr/IMG95323280392119479.jpg
11:47 < Synx|hm> lol
11:51 <@klixak> Synx|hm: ok your pic...so you met zach gefdgfgfhgfghfyuuikmnhj-unspellable name?
11:52 < Synx|hm> klixak: some rando street performer taking tips for photos, guy looked amazingly like zach galkankafaskasashs though
11:52 <@klixak> yeah he looks almost identical to zach gewuiueijddklsew
11:52 <@klixak> hehe
11:53 <@Wilpig> damn street urchins begging for coins
11:53 < Synx|hm> ya we couldn't not stop and take a picture as i had the kiddo in that harness thing
11:53 <@klixak> galifianakis <---real speilling still looks weird
11:53 <@klixak> Synx|hm: thats awesome
11:54 <@klixak> i want overalls like your baby has... those are osh kosh right?
11:54 < Synx|hm> klixak: think so, i wore the shit out of overalls when i was a kid, so all my family got us those when he was born haha
11:55 <@klixak> i like overalls
11:55 <@klixak> i was buying jeans from old navy for her, but the waists are too tight...so i wanna oly do overalls cause they arent tight on the waist
11:55 <@klixak> only*
11:56 < Synx|hm> :) overalls are the shit!
11:56 <@klixak> especially osh kosh
11:56 <@klixak> :)
11:56 <@klixak> man, i cnat believe how much that guy looks like him
11:56 < Synx|hm> i know it was amazing
11:58 <@shapr> My waist size is falling again, I'm down more than six inches in six months.
11:58 <@klixak> shapr: yay? or is this a bad thing
11:58 <@shapr> I dunno, it's nice I guess.
11:58 <@klixak> mine needs to fall...
11:58 <@shapr> I lost 70 pounds in ten weeks, that was certainly something.
11:59 <@klixak> um
11:59 <@klixak> if you did it that quick tho...you prolly lost a lot of muscle
11:59 < Synx|hm> might not be a bad idea to talk to a dr
11:59 < Synx|hm> unless that was intentional, and even still
11:59 <@klixak> Synx|hm: he had a majorly stressful event occurr
11:59 <@shapr> Yeah, probably so. But the muscle is coming back. My shirts are stil tight, but now in shoulders instead of the belly :-P
11:59 <@shapr> Synx|hm: divorce diet
12:00 < Synx|hm> ahh
12:00 <@shapr> as effective as it was not fun
12:00 < Synx|hm> sorry to hear
12:00 <@klixak> i lost 30 pounds during my *divorce diet* but gained it back
12:00  * shapr shrugs
12:00 <@shapr> Synx|hm: shit happens, but it gets easier.
12:00 <@Wilpig> only ifyou eat fiber
12:00 < Synx|hm> ya ill figure that out someday
12:00 <@shapr> Wilpig: haha!
12:01 <@klixak> im starting to just think im better off staying with an insane cheater...after meeting other people
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12:01 <@Wilpig> klixa: that's just insane
12:02 <@klixa> :/
12:02  * shapr agrees with Wilpig 
12:02 <@shapr> don't settle
12:03 <@klixa> i havent decided what to do yet....
12:03 < Synx|hm> switching gears a bit here... anyone using unifi ap's?
12:04 <@klixa> shapr: in cali, there is no tuition for college
12:04 <@klixa> shapr: theres fees...but no tuition...
12:04 <@klixa> im looking into possibly doing that
12:04 <@shapr> huh, nice
12:04 <@shapr> DO IT!
12:05 <@shapr> I only owe $30k on my student loans.
12:05 <@shapr> I could get a used porsche 911 for that
12:05 <@klixa> i owe 5000 on mine
12:05 <@klixa> but mine are in default
12:05 <@klixa> so i cant get financial aid atm...unless i make 12 payments
12:05 < Synx|hm> student loans cannot be cleared by chpt 13 correct?
12:06 <@klixa> no
12:06 <@klixa> they never go away
12:06 < Synx|hm> wow that sucks
12:06 <@klixa> unless you get loan forgiveness... which very few people are eligible for
12:06 <@klixa> teachers can do it, permanently disbaled people and then dead people
12:06 < Synx|hm> i have a cousin that has 160K is loans for all his pilot tickets, he got ferlowed (spelling?) a year into a shit paying regional job, now he is a teacher
12:06 < Synx|hm> hes fucked
12:07 < Synx|hm> oh shit
12:08 <@oddball> suck
12:08 <@klixa> Synx|hm: http://studentaid.ed.gov/repay-loans/forgiveness-cancellation  teacher forgiveness
12:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Forgiveness, Cancellation, and Discharge | Federal Student Aid (at studentaid.ed.gov)
12:08 <@klixa> Synx|hm: maybe hes elible
12:08 <@klixa> eligible*
12:08 < Synx|hm> thanks, ill forward that to him for sure!!!!
12:09 < Synx|hm> thank or i guess he can fake his own death
12:09 < Synx|hm> s/thank/that
12:09 <@klixa> Synx|hm: also..apprently bankrupty can wokr sometimes (it says rare circumstances)
12:10 <@klixa> i do know they are strict..i haev a friend who is permanently disabld and on SSDI and couldnt get his loans dicharged
12:11 <@oddball> I need this as an option for my next car: https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1655997_618314224909961_1732742411_n.jpg
12:11 < Synx|hm> haha
12:12 <@rattle> Much gun rack.  Such Tennessee.
12:12 < Synx|hm> ADD... i saw a model s and it had reverse facing seats in the trunk like the old station wagons
12:12 <@oddball> nice
12:13 < Synx|hm> http://asset0.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/06/22/tesla-model-s-5754_620x413.jpg
12:13 <@oddball> I miss having a station wagon.
12:13 < Synx|hm> minus the 100K sticker that car has so much win
12:14 <@klixa> $5,715 + $3,975 interest is what i owe
12:14 <@klixa> all this talk about it, i had to check
12:14 <@oddball> Yeah... but I think Tesla is doing it right by making high end electrics.
12:15 <@klixa> "Pell Lifetime Eligibility Used: 185.330%" dafuq does that mean
12:15 <@oddball> Coming at it by putting out essentially an econobox and having to take on $10-20k due to the extra R&D, etc is just hard to swallow.
12:16 <@rattle> I think that means the Republicans took away your Pell grants and you're boned.
12:16 <@shapr> I forgot what I was doing.
12:16 < Synx|hm> oddball: good point, i wish i could afford a model s and that it also fit my driving needs
12:16 < Synx|hm> wtf is a Pell grant?
12:16 <@Wilpig> I got a pell grant, once.
12:16 <@Wilpig> then I got a job and I made too much money so they took it away
12:16 <@oddball> Although, I will say that Naienko's dad's Chevy Volt is a pretty nice car.
12:16 <@rattle> Synx|hm: Used to be about $8k a year to help pay for kolledge.
12:17 < Synx|hm> ahh
12:17 <@Wilpig> moral of the story... if you want free money from the gubment DO NOT WORK AT ALL.  be a slovenly slacker
12:17 < Synx|hm> i signed over my gi bill bennifits to the kiddo this weekend finally, 3 years of tuition w00t
12:17 < Synx|hm> if our govt survives that long
12:17 <@oddball> nice
12:17 <@shapr> Synx|hm: nice
12:18 < Synx|hm> though it means im on the hook for another 4 years of service
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12:18 < Synx|hm> which is fucking stupid, as ive already put in 10 and paid into the origional gi bill that people get for free now
12:19 < Synx|hm> so those of you with kids, how have/will you raise them up in the reglious sense?
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12:22 < Synx|hm> i want to introduce my son to as much as i can so he can make his own decisions but i do not want to force him into anything, and honestly i really dont want to go to any church myself as im somewhere between athiest and general there is probably something out there other than our experience of life but no clue what it is
12:30 <@klixak> im raising my child agnostic
12:32 <@klixak> i kinda feel religious beliefs are one of the things we should imprint on our kids...along wiht morals, and other various things... if they dont like it, they can rebel/change it
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12:36 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i had a stepdaughter who i raised til she was 6 from age 11 months...NEVER taught her about god/christianity, etc...and she was always walking around talking about loving Jesus
12:36 <@klixa> it. was.weird
12:36 < Synx|hm> ha, environmental i guess kids pick up all sorts of stuff from school huh
12:36 <@klixa> Synx|hm: she was never in preschool never around other peopel... tv is all i can think of
12:37 < Synx|hm> odd
12:37 < Synx|hm> the power of christ compelled her
12:37 <@klixa> i mean, she saw kids when i took her to the playground, etc... but that was her only exposure to the outside world
12:37 <@klixa> lol @power of christ..honestluy for awhile i was thinking some stuff like that
12:37 <@klixa> she would come up to me and ask me if i loved jesus too
12:38 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I would strongly recommend teaching your kid to read the Bible for content.  It is singlehandedly the most important thing you can do if you want your kid to be able to resist the religious conmen.
12:39 <@klixa> i havent read the bible...and my resistance is strong, lol... i haev read a lot of it tho
12:40 <@Corydon76-work> When you understand that the god of the Bible gets off on harming people, you really understand just how horrible the idea of worshipping a god is
12:41 <@Corydon76-work> People cannibalizing their children, for example
12:41 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i dont feel the bible ruins the ideao f worshiping "a god" because the bible is just a book/christinaity is just a religion; for me the mysterious of the universe or whatever have nothing to do with man made religion/books
12:42 <@klixa> i dont believe in a *god* per se...but... i believe there is "more than this" thats what i refer to it as
12:42 <@klixa> its also a peter gabriel song title
12:42 <@klixa> but yeah....there "more than this" but i dunno what and neother does anyone else
12:43 <@klixa> http://bornagainpagan.com/photos/031-militant-agnostic.jpg
12:43 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: that's god by another nam
12:43 <@Corydon76-work> name
12:43 <@klixa> its a concept...and i dont worship it
12:44 <@klixa> and, its literally true...we dont know how we got here...there is more than we know
12:44 <@Corydon76-work> It's supposing that there are things that we CANNOT know
12:45 <@Corydon76-work> As a practicer of science, I reject the notion that there are things we cannot know, only things that we haven't learned yet.
12:45 <@klixa> there are things we have yet to learn...i think we can both agree on that
12:45 < Synx|hm> im in agreement that our self awareness is something odd enough its just possible there is something else out there, if that means parallel universes that when we die we are reborn in i dont know or a people hating god
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12:45 <@klixa> Synx|hm: existence at all, imo is weird
12:46 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: I can only prove to myself that I am separate from everything else.  I cannot prove that anybody else actually thinks
12:47 <@Corydon76-work> You cannot prove that I am anything but a figment of your imagination
12:47 <@Corydon76-work> There is no "we" that you can prove.
12:47 <@Corydon76-work> You have to accept that a priori
12:47 <@klixa> ok, thats taking it way too far down the rabbit hole
12:47 <@klixa> when conversing with people, i like to at least assume i exist and they exist
12:48 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: damn you, i went though a 5 year phase where i though everything was fake and i was in the truman show, you have renewd this fear
12:48 <@klixa> Synx|hm: you have a baby now, go get counseling if you think that wat
12:48 <@klixa> way*
12:48 <@klixa> you are *NOT* in the truman show
12:48 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: a priori means that which you accept without proof and for which is the basis for higher arguments
12:48 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i was tyoing before that line
12:49 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: On shared experience, I considered, as well
12:49 <@klixa> in response to " There is no "we" that you can prove."
12:50 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: but the answer to that is "Why am I so important that a world should revolve around me?"
12:51 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: oh ya i understand, it wasn't that exactly just more of a, how do i know any of this is either A. real and B. not an elaborate hoax to make me into a clown
12:51 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i really hope you are kidding
12:51 < Synx|hm> klixa: im mostly stable i promise ;)
12:51 <@klixa> lol
12:52 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: The way to disprove it is to get into a vehicle and drive to a random place without telling anyone in advance.  If they need to know in order to set up scenes, then not knowing makes them unable to prepare
12:52 < Synx|hm> but its these ideas that are really not provable and make them interesting to think about, but yes i have had periods of lucid clairity where i knew shit was not real ;)
12:52 <@klixa> lucid calirty/s/acid
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12:53 <@klixa> i like carl jung a lot
12:54 <@klixa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos
12:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Neil deGrasse Tyson: Atheist or Agnostic? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
12:54 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: you know I'm the root actor in a plot to bring you to Nashville so I can get into your pants, right?  ;-)
12:54 < Synx|hm> lol
12:54 < Synx|hm> everyone wants in my pants... except my wife
12:54 <@klixa> Synx|hm: isnt that alwats how it is ....
12:55 <@Corydon76-work> There's some guy, younger than me, on one of the gay chat sites, who has been trying since October to get me to fuck him
12:56 <@Corydon76-work> I'm pretty sure he's just a cocktease, that, as soon as I give in, he's just going to disappear
12:56 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: do you and your partner have an open relationship
12:56 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: we play together, only
12:57 <@klixa> does that include other people tho?
12:57 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, sorry, that's what I meant by "play".  Another guy wants either one of us, they have to take us both as a package deal or not at all
12:58 < Synx|hm> is it abnormal to have these thoughts feelings? my thinking is its heathly to at least consider all the posibilities, and there is something strange enough about conscious that it bengs the question of what the fuck is really going on, add to that some psychedelics and things get even more interesting
12:58 <@klixa> ok; i was asking because you talked about teh person on the chat like they were an actual option, but i wasnt sure i understood correctly
12:58 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: is that hard to deal with, sharing?
12:58 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: Nope, communication is key
12:58 <@klixa> Synx|hm: its not abnormal to think them at times...its abnormal to obsess often and then start beliecing things you have no proof for
12:58 <@klixa> i dont like to share
12:59 < Synx|hm> ive had friends in the past that were swingers, but im not sure i could deal with the added stress and jealousy of that
12:59 <@Corydon76-work> Make sure that everything is out in the open, and nothing assumed
12:59 < Synx|hm> thats the key to everything isn't it, good communication can fix anything
13:00 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i used to think sex didnt matter.... and so who cares if your partner has it with someone else... i no longer feel that way
13:00 < Synx|hm> klixa: but how are those obsession any different than religion?
13:00 <@Corydon76-work> Well, it can't fix everything, but people who are willing to have a dialogue are less likely to come into conflict
13:00 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i think religion is weird
13:00 < Synx|hm> same
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13:04 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: sex doesn't matter, as long as both of you are open to the other person walking in and joining in on the act
13:05 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: it doesnt matter to you
13:05 <@klixa> i...dont wanna share
13:05 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: The problem is typically that you view it as intimacy, rather than simple fun
13:05 <@klixa> my bf has cheated on me a few times in the 13 years...but it was always him getting a bj.... but the last time he had actual sex
13:05 <@klixa> and this was decemeber
13:06 <@klixa> and... i, so far have not been able to get over it
13:06 <@klixa> i say bf...for convenience...but we're not together
13:06 <@Corydon76-work> You're jealous of someone who is not presently committed to you
13:07 <@Corydon76-work> which is silly, if you think about it
13:07 < Synx|hm> logical and feelings in relationships do not mix
13:07 < Synx|hm> as much as i want them to
13:07 <@Corydon76-work> This is unfortunately true
13:07  * shapr agrees
13:08 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: im upset that after 13 years, i get cheated on with 3 womrn a few weeks after having my first baby
13:08 <@klixa> women*
13:08 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: it's not cheating if he's not in a present commitment to you
13:08 <@klixa> he was at the time
13:08 <@Corydon76-work> Ah
13:09 <@Corydon76-work> Then, now that the relationship is over, it's probably best for your emotional state to make a clean break and stop living with him
13:09 <@oddball> klixa: I know this is water under the bridge at this point, but sying "it's ok, it was just a blowjob" is not ok.
13:09 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: well, i have to become finaincially independent first
13:09  * shapr agrees with oddball 
13:09 <@shapr> In my marriage I discovered that if someone will lie to you in the small things, they'll lie to you about the big things too.
13:10 <@Corydon76-work> I agree with oddball, too
13:10 < Synx|hm> marriage is fucking HARD
13:10 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: precisely why I don't conceal whether I find other guys to be attractive to my partner
13:10 <@shapr> yup
13:10 < NoFault> Synx|hm: yes it is
13:10 <@shapr> Corydon76-work: Yeah, I think it's best to be up front and communicate everything.
13:10 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: it's not just marriage, it's any long term commitment
13:10 < Synx|hm> im not a good communicator and that is making it exponentaly hard to tell my wife how stressed i am with work and life right now, she just see's it as me being distant and not loving
13:11 <@shapr> Communication is essential
13:11 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: yes sorry didn't mean to imply how that came off
13:11 <@shapr> takes work, but the payoff is worth it
13:11 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: No, I mean it's any long term commitment, not just an interpersonal one
13:11 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: oh, yes very good point, im bad at all of those
13:12 <@Corydon76-work> For instance, what do you expect out of your job, and does your company agree with your long term expectations?
13:12 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: i dont have a clue what to expect this is my first dance int he civilian world and im lost
13:13 <@Corydon76-work> If their perception of your commitment is different from yours, you could end up with a bad taste after certain decisions THEY make
13:13 <@Dickie> First question: "where all the white girls at?"
13:13 < Synx|hm> i just want to make fucking money and attempt to enjoy work and more importantly not work ungodly hours becuase you know what, life is about living not fucking working
13:13 <@shapr> Dickie: not on okcupid
13:14 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: if you expect a raise after a year, you have to say something about it.
13:14 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: i did, i demanded a raise 3 weeks ago, and told my boss i would no longer be putting in the same hours no matter raise or not, also told him i had another offer for a job paying 40K more and half the hours
13:14 < NoFault> Corydon76-work: if you work for a firm as a "contractor" in my experience every 6 months works better.
13:14 < Synx|hm> but that other job is full time reserves which is NOT really something i desire to do
13:15 < Synx|hm> my problems aside, klixa are you struggling with making a decision to go back to the relationship?
13:16 <@Corydon76-work> Well, it's the noontime hour, time to shower and get dressed
13:20 <@shapr> sounds like a rough day, get up about noon...
13:24 <@oddball> Synx|hm: Ok... I'm pretty sure if someone offered me $40k more and half the hours, I'd turn in my resignation.
13:25 <@oddball> ah, for something you don't really want to do... that does change things a bit.
13:25 < Synx|hm> you dont know how much i hate active duty... and it would be working for those fucks again, also i fucking loathe Shreveport
13:28 < Synx|hm> oddball: actually the truth is i just hate working for other people
13:28 < Synx|hm> though im not sure id like working for myself either but it would be nice to try
13:32 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i still live with him and am financially dependent on him... but yeah i am debating whether to just forgive/forget or what...either way tho, i am taking steos towards finaincial independence..because a lot of why i have put up with things is because its not like i had anywhere else to go or money the other times he cheated, etc
13:34 < Synx|hm> klixa: ya i understand, best wishes with figuring out what you want/need to do i know its not easy
13:37 <@shapr> Any suggestions for wearable electronics projects for summertime? My blinky jacket and scarf are coldtime only.
13:38 <@klixa> bracelet
13:38 <@shapr> hmm, could work
13:38 <@klixa> sandals
13:38 <@shapr> I have the GPS watch, I can wear that.
13:38 <@oddball> Shirt or hat?
13:39 < Synx|hm> shapr: isn't there an arduino board built around the idea of sewing it into a garmant
13:39 < Synx|hm> not sure what would be a good idea but it might be a fun place to start
13:40 < Synx|hm> i want to build a small sign for my car that i can type messages to other drivers on
13:40 < Synx|hm> like.... hey you stupid fuck all those light switches you turned on to make you look cool, ya one is a reverse fog and activates one side of your break lights on full, you look like a fucking moron
13:41 < Synx|hm> or... hey fuck twat... i've passed you 4 times now and every time i do you go flying by and get back in front of me... i have deactived cruise control in 4 hours
13:41 < Synx|hm> err add a NOT to that
13:42 <@Wilpig> you can make a much more simplified version of that.  just need a switch and enough LEDs to spell out "asshole"
13:43 <@Wilpig> [Tue Mar 04 13:33:38 2014] [error] [client 190.66.2.2] user witriana not found: /
13:43 <@Mirage> Synx|hm: I have a nice pic of Wilpig you could stick in the back window..=)
13:43 < Synx|hm> Wilpig: yes but i want people to know what it is that they are doing... i can just call the person an asshole but they wont realize how stupid they are when they look up what that rear fog light button does
13:44 <@klixa> Synx|hm: i have had that idea before...but for niceer reasons
13:44 <@klixa> Synx|hm: like "i have a manual...backup so i dont rollback on this hill and crash into you when i take off"
13:44 <@klixa> those kinda messages
13:45 < Synx|hm> ya, or a "thanks for letting me use you has a hill holder"
13:45 <@Wilpig> what are you doing rolling backwards?
13:45 < Synx|hm> thats more my style
13:45 <@klixa> Wilpig: im not...i just alwyas worry i will
13:45 < Synx|hm> i make it a point to roll back enough to scare people but not hit them if they get that close
13:45 <@klixa> i dont like to be an asshole on purpose to people
13:46 <@Wilpig> I do
13:46 <@klixa> one time... i got "break checkd" in willits... the person who did it almost got their kid killed doing that shit
13:46 <@Wilpig> assures them that asshole do still exist
13:46 < Synx|hm> haha, im really not as terrible a person as i sound i promise
13:46 <@klixa> i was in a big truck...they were in a little plastic compact car
13:46 <@klixa> it was raining
13:46 < Synx|hm> yikes
13:46 <@klixa> i was an asshole once... in LA... someone drove by me, honked and yelled something involving the word fuck (i was going too slow for them) so i chased them
13:46 < Synx|hm> ya i wont lie i had a road rage period of my life as a teen young adult, however i do not fuck around like that, peoples lives are at stake
13:47 < Synx|hm> like that anymore that is
13:48 < Synx|hm> i had a bit of an outbreak a few months back, i flipped off a guy who came flying around me while i was backing half way out of a parking spot
13:48 < Synx|hm> he got out of his car and ran up to me, once he say my child in the backseat i am sure he realized what a fucking prick he was, or at least i hope so, because i was seriously getting ready to lose my shit
13:48 < Synx|hm> s/say/saw
13:49 < Synx|hm> klixa: id say more that its not that im a angry person, its just that i hate everyone
13:49 < Synx|hm> ;)
13:49 <@klixa> im the opposite
13:49 <@klixa> i like everyone...well almost everyone
13:50 < Synx|hm> :) i envy you, only on my best of days do i love all of gods creatures
13:50 <@shapr> Synx|hm: Yeah, I'm using those boards, AdaFruit FLORA and SparkFun LilyPad
13:50 <@Wilpig> Synx|hm: my best road rage moment was a few years ago in nashville when it had snowed and I got this dude so pissed off he got out of his car in the middle of a snowy intersection and started coming at me
13:50 <@shapr> They're washable!
13:50 < Synx|hm> shapr: wow thats cool, how do they do that?
13:51 < NotLarry> sure suer
13:51 <@klixa> my brother has horrible road rage
13:51 <@klixa> he likes to pull his gun out
13:51 <@klixa> i cant beleiev anyone gave him a gun
13:51 < Synx|hm> oh yikes
13:51 <@klixa> hes a software engineer/redneck hybrid
13:51 <@oddball> woah... he flashes his gun during road rage incidents?
13:52 <@shapr> Synx|hm: I don't know, but as long as you take the battery out, you can wash it.
13:52 <@klixa> oddball: yes
13:52 < NotLarry> fucking 25 minute timeout in a video game because the client fucking crashed and lost it's connection to the server.  If I could score some heroin I'd give up league.
13:52 <@klixa> he flashes his gun at subway if he sees a black person too
13:52 <@klixa> hes insane
13:52 <@oddball> klixa: One of these days, he'll end up in jail or eating the damn thing.
13:53 <@klixa> or pulling a zimmerman
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13:53 <@oddball> Well... if he has a guy pounding his head against the pavement, then pulling the gun is ok.
13:54 <@oddball> Pulling the gun before hand...
13:54 < Synx|hm> i got a handgun long ago with the excuse of home defense
13:54 <@shapr> I want to buy an XDm
13:54 <@klixa> oddball: he shuld have stayed in the car... stuff went fro nothing and then a minute later a kid dead
13:54 <@oddball> shapr: Where you located?  I've got one if you want to try it.
13:55 <@shapr> oddball: northwest AL, ~Florence
13:55 <@shapr> oddball: 3.8" barrel?
13:55 < Synx|hm> now all i can think about is one of these bullets flying though a wall and killing my kid or wife, or going into a neighboors house and doing the same
13:55 <@Catonic> Synx|hm: don't beat yourself up
13:55 <@oddball> shapr: Yep.  It's the compact version.
13:55 <@Catonic> If you're really that concerned, get a shotgun and load it with #4 shot
13:55 <@shapr> oddball: but not subcompact, right?
13:56 < Synx|hm> Catonic: thats actually was i was thinking, go shotgun but really im not terribly concerned to justify the need
13:56 <@Catonic> 12GA with #4 or #6, holds about 20 pellets, each about .38 in diameter.
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13:56 < Synx|hm> now i just use it for target practice about once a year
13:56 <@Catonic> will not penetrate > 4 sheets of drywall
13:56 <@oddball> shapr: Uhhh... you talking about the XD sub-compact, or the XD(s)?
13:56 <@shapr> oddball: where are you? I would very much like to try it.
13:57 <@oddball> Nashville
13:57 <@shapr> oddball: I don't want an XD subcompact, I want to try an XDm in 3.8"
13:57 <@shapr> just making sure that's what you have :-)
13:57 <@Catonic> what's all this business of flashing guns. much better to already have the gun visible
13:57 <@Catonic> also alcohol and guns should never mix
13:57 <@shapr> truly
13:57 <@shapr> but then, guns and stupidity should never mix, and we know THAT happens
13:58 <@shapr> I'm trying to decide between buying a new laptop and buying an XDm
13:58 <@opticron> shapr, buy a novena!
13:58 <@oddball> Ah... you talking about the 3.8" barrel, but fullsized grips?  No.. mine has the shorter grips, but I've got two full sized mags with the mag sleeves.
13:58 <@shapr> hm
13:58 <@shapr> opticron: I dunno, I was looking at ThinkPad W530
13:59 <@Catonic> klixa: if your brother keeps his antics up, he will be dead. The thing about martial arts is that until you engage the person, you don't know who is more ninja
13:59 <@klixa> Catonic: hes in his 40;s and stayed alive so far...police did confront him in his 20's about pulling a gun on someone tho
14:00 <@klixa> he got a warning
14:00 <@Catonic> shapr: you know Alabama is an open carry state, right? =P
14:00 <@shapr> Yeah, I do.
14:00 <@shapr> though technically, so is all of the USA
14:00 <@Catonic> Excellent. How'd you find out? =P
14:01 <@oddball> Catonic: Which is why any martial artist worth a damn talking about self defense focuses on getting to a point where you can escape.
14:01 <@shapr> oddball: Heck yeah... first rule of martial arts is "Run with confidence."
14:01 <@Catonic> oddball: or stopping the threat and/or escalation of threat.
14:01 <@Catonic> shapr: bamacarry or alabama open carry?
14:01 <@oddball> shapr: Yeah... no.  I know that's how it should be strictly going by the 2nd amendment, but there are lots of laws on the books that disagree.
14:02 <@opticron> shapr, that's a beast of a laptop
14:02 <@opticron> size/weight-wise
14:02 <@Catonic> oddball: the legal presumption is that any law, once passed by the legislature and signed in by the governor is legal until challenged.
14:02 <@Catonic> ergo, an illegal law will be enforced until a challenge is made.
14:03 <@shapr> opticron: Yeah, but I don't mind. I just want to be able to do heavy duty development anyplace that has power. Also, I gotta try the 3k screen!
14:03 <@oddball> Catonic: Right.  Which means there are lots of places where you can't open carry.
14:03 <@opticron> shapr, and only 1080p...
14:03 <@shapr> opticron: So, 16gb of ram, 3k screen and a few extra goodies, comes to about $2k
14:03 <@shapr> opticron: Nah, they have the 3k screen option
14:03 <@Catonic> oddball: not necessarily... but you'd better have a full understanding of the jurisprudence and laws.
14:03 <@opticron> I missed that, then
14:03 <@shapr> hm, maybe I have the wrong model number
14:04  * shapr looks
14:04 <@Catonic> we just had a law passed that added a bunch of "nocarry" places where there weren't before.
14:04 <@oddball> Catonic: There are states where open carry is straight up illegal unless you're a cop.
14:04 <@Mirage> and then there's Texas...=)
14:04 <@shapr> opticron: aha, w540
14:04 <@Catonic> oddball: I'm aware. I also know that those states with draconian gun laws, even carry laws demanding concealment, have worse crime than open carry states.
14:05 <@Catonic> FL and TX come to mind.
14:05 <@oddball> Mirage: My understanding was that the gun laws in Texas were surprisingly strict as far as carry went.
14:05 <@opticron> shapr, THAT's more like it
14:05 <@Catonic> I find it utterly stupid that "the proud cowboy state" has less gun rights than Alabama.
14:05 <@shapr> I just can't live without the eraser mouse on the keyboard.
14:05 <@Catonic> Then again, AZ and NH are some of the best.
14:05 <@Catonic> clitmouse?
14:05 <@opticron> that one
14:05 <@Mirage> oddball: if you want to conceal-carry...but you can open-carry almost anywhere.
14:06 <@shapr> Catonic: yes, it has less tactful names than eraser mouse.
14:06 <@oddball> Catonic: I wasn't debating that.  Just the statement that all of the US was technically an open carry state.
14:06 <@Mirage> I've seen people walking around in the mall open-carry.  So long as at least the tip of the barrel is visible, they're legal
14:06 <@oddball> Mirage: Ah, ok.  I misunderstood, then.
14:06 <@oddball> nice.
14:08 <@Mirage> You'll also get into more trouble for a loaded pistol in a locked carrying case in your trunk than if you have it loaded and resting on your dashboard
14:08 <@oddball> huh, that's random.
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14:09 <@oddball> I always love the treats of panic over people open carrying.  So far, the times that I've open carried, no one seems to have noticed.
14:09 <@Mirage> Though it's generally understood that uf you get pulled over, you _WILL_ have an officer calling for backup and sticking his service gun in your face
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14:10 <@Mirage> I think as a general rule, people are going to be much less concerned over someone carrying openly vs someone who's trying to conceal that they're carrying
14:10 <@opticron> shapr, I'd end up spending $2300 on that bare minimum
14:11 <@oddball> Mirage: Oh... the arguing and screaming that happens in the gun nut community over concealed vs open carry.
14:12 <@Mirage> Anyone actually suprised by this?  http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/03/04/187204/radioshack-to-close-1100-stores
14:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: RadioShack To Close 1,100 Stores - Slashdot (at hardware.slashdot.org)
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14:12 <@Wilpig> nope
14:13 <@oddball> How much you want to bet that they're closing stores that aren't just glorified cellphne kiosks... therefor continuing the downward spiral?
14:14 <@Wilpig> the cellphone kiosks worked so well for best buy though
14:21 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, I love random Comcast outages in the middle of the workday
14:26 <@Mirage> the cellphone kiosks in best buy don't hold up every other customer in the store while they spend 20-40 minutes doing the credit check, activation, accessories upsale, etc
14:28 <@Wilpig> http://shoppedtattoos.tumblr.com/post/77125209128/in-a-parallel-universe-the-kennedys-got-it-obama
14:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: ☜Shopped Tattoos☞ (at shoppedtattoos.tumblr.com)
14:29 <@Wilpig> Mirage: I was speaking more to the bestbuy mobile stores that sell only cell phones
14:33 <@Mirage> ah..  Seen them, just dismissed/ignored them.
14:35 <@Catonic> Mirage: that's totally wrong on so many levels. Why does the officer want to destroy me?
14:35  * Catonic goes afk for a bit
14:36 <@Mirage> Catonic: if you were a cop and walked up to a car on a routine stop and saw a gun on the dash or laying on the seat, what would you do?
14:44 <@Wilpig> internal trouble ticket here.  "xxxxx done borked"
14:47 <@oddball> http://www.theonion.com/video/new-marijuana-study-says-everyone-knows-youre-high,35386/
14:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: New Marijuana Study Says Everyone Knows You're High And You'll Likely Be Stoned Forever | Video | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (at www.theonion.com)
14:49 <@oddball> Wilpig: I once sent a laptop back for repairs with the trouble ticket reading "the screen won't turn on unless it's in its happy place."  I was told the repair techs were highly amused.
14:56 <@Wilpig> I don't wanna turn on unless i'm in my happy place either
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15:01 <@shapr> opticron: I only got it up to $2k, what did you add?
15:03 <@shapr> I'm trying to figure out if all of the spice girls can just as truthfully be called "Old Spice" now.
15:03 < Synx|hm> hahahaha
15:04 < Synx|hm> oddball: that is hilarious
15:04 < Synx|hm> the eveyone is on to you and you are forver stuck in this state thing
15:09 <@oddball> Yeah... I felt in needed sharing.
15:10 <@oddball> Especially after seeing a couple folks toke up, freak out, and declare that they thought they were going to die.
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15:13 < Synx|hm> every time its like "ZOMG IM NEVER DOING THIS AGAIN" two days later, "wow man i had the most amazing experience, i spoke to god"
15:15 <@shapr> I tried pot once. It's so much trouble cleaning up afterwards, I swore I'd never cook in something that large again.
15:15 <@oddball> Synx|hm: Sounds like me and Dragoncon. :p
15:15 < Synx|hm> haha
15:16 <@shapr> I enjoy DragonCon
15:17 <@Mirage> Wilpig, Oddball: My fav when I was at Laser Plus was a printer that the ticket simply said "Broken, needs fixed."
15:17 < Synx|hm> was it dragoncon or the mushrooms?
15:23 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: You should call them and ask them... "Consequencees... Have they been the same for you?"
15:24 <@Dagmar> shapr: You should be trying to figure out which one will claim the title of "MILF Spice"
15:24 <@shapr> Man, I had a really exciting experience at ArisiaCon in Boston... nearly got yiffed, got my tooth knocked out, and other craziness that I don't have time to detail.
15:24 <@Dagmar> o.O
15:24 <@Dagmar> Nope.  I'm not askin'
15:24 <@shapr> Ran across this cute married Discordian woman wearing a Chaos symbol made of penii, too bad she was married.
15:25 <@Dagmar> Helzibah: Can you be *sure*?
15:25 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: i'm climbing onboard your bus, get us the fuck outta here
15:27 < Synx|hm> why are mangos so fucking delicious?
15:32 <@Dagmar> Fucking fuck
15:33 <@Wilpig> trouble in dagmarland?
15:33 <@Dagmar> Well sort of but not really
15:34 <@klixa> shapr: ok fyi...you do not want the kinda girl that wears penii on her person
15:35 <@klixa> apprently mardis gras is this week?
15:35 <@Wilpig> klixa: sounds about right
15:35 <@Dagmar> Probably
15:36 <@Wilpig> I wanna go.
15:36 <@oddball> klixa: yes
15:36 <@Dagmar> It was this past weekend for Nashville
15:36 <@Wilpig> I had a hell of a time last year
15:36 <@oddball> Dagmar: A lot of folks thought that we were doing Mardi Gras stuff at the Ingress event.
15:36 <@klixa> well, im broke right now...i will wait til st patricks day to drink too much instead
15:36 <@Dagmar> I blame Wendlyn
15:37 <@Dagmar> oddball: I'm still not exactly pleased with W. (not Wendilyn)
15:37 <@klixa> can make some baileys frappucinos
15:37 <@oddball> W?
15:37 <@Wilpig> me
15:37 <@Wilpig> fuck you
15:37 <@Wilpig> i"m not pleased with you either.  
15:37 <@Dagmar> oddball: A 12 or 14-year old of whatever the hell age PickleDish is probably shoudln't be handing out beads for the showing of tits
15:37 <@Dagmar> ...and apparently W (her mom) thought this was funny.
15:38 <@Wilpig> wendy
15:38 <@klixa> not funny
15:38 <@oddball> Oh... I was unaware of that.  Yeah...
15:38 <@oddball> And, in a few years, her mom will wonder why she grew up to be a stripper.
15:38 <@klixa> thats what happens when hippies have kids :|
15:38 <@Dagmar> Like, I rolled into Mellow Mushroom on Friday night, and said hi to pickleDish (who didn't remember where I knew her from) and then W goes "Show her your tits"
15:38 <@Wilpig> mardi gras is today btw
15:38 <@Dagmar> I'm like, "Umm... *no*.  The media will get that part wrong."
15:38 <@shapr> klixa: haha, I'll keep that in mind
15:39 <@Wilpig> today is the 4th right?
15:39 <@klixa> its fat tuesday today
15:39 <@Dagmar> I used the word 'enunciate' to PickleDish, she asked me to explain it, I explained it.
15:39 <@Dagmar> Catwoman (Nadia) was like "She's special needs.  She's special needs!"
15:39  * Wilpig glares at klixa 
15:39 <@Dagmar> My response is "No, it's a big word and public school kids wouldn't know it."
15:40 <@Wilpig> yesterday was lundigras, today is mardigras
15:40 <@Dagmar> I just *narrowly* missed telling her "Yeah, from where I sit *most* people are 'special needs'"
15:40 <@klixa> hey..i...wait, i didnt go to public school, nm
15:40 <@oddball> Yeah... I've known a lot of 12 year olds that wouldn't know "enounciate."
15:40 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
15:40 <@Dagmar> I like PickleDish.  She's an okay chick for being like 14 or whatgever
15:40 <@klixa> speaking of that: when my brother was 8..we wall watched a movie (him, my mother, stepfather, and i)
15:40 <@klixa> in the movie some dude said "drop the fahcade" pronoucend it wrong
15:40 <@Dagmar> She's a little slow, but she's a gentle soul
15:40 <@klixa> everyone but my stepfather laughed
15:41 <@klixa> my 8 year old brother knew the word facade.,,,but my stepfather did not
15:43 <@oddball> Of course, I decided to fuck with a kid in an aftercare program I worked for.  He asked my for a word that ended in "ism" (he need x number of these words for homework).  I responded with "antidisestablishmentism."
15:44 <@oddball> He was not pleased with me.
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15:44 <@klixa> well, thats what happens when you ask for help
15:44 <@klixa> who the hell doe sthta
15:44 <@klixa> does that*
15:44 <@Dagmar> I still think I need to fuss more at Nadia about the special needs thing
15:44 <@oddball> er antidisestablishmenterianism.
15:44 <@Dagmar> the last thing most of those kids want is to be treated as if they're stupid
15:44 <@klixa> my brothers wife corrects her kids homework..i view that as cheating
15:45 <@oddball> klixa: I gave him exactly what he asked for.  Hell, I would have helped him spell it if he asked.
15:45 <@Dagmar> At least you didn't tell him 'jism'.
15:46 <@Mirage> klixa: at least she seems to give a damn.
15:46 <@oddball> Dagmar: wow... yeah... 1. didn't think of it, and 2. I liked that job.
15:46 <@klixa> Mirage: being a control freak !=giving a damn
15:46 <@klixa> but, Mirage you didnt have all the data
15:46 <@klixa> Mirage: its more about HER image...she wnats her kids to be perfect to reflect her
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15:47 <@klixa> telling a kid jism would probably be illegal
15:47 <@klixa> in that setting
15:47 <@Mirage> Still better than if school was only viewed as child care
15:47 <@oddball> klixa: It depends on how she corrects the kid's homework.  If she's going over it with the kid to make sure that the kid knows why the wrong answers were wrong, etc... I don't have a problem with that.
15:48 <@klixa> oddball: my mom woudlnt even look at my homework
15:48 <@klixa> i grew up wtih the idea of you do it yourslef
15:48 <@klixa> i was a straight a student tho
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15:49 <@oddball> klixa: Again, there's a difference between the parent going over and correcting the kid's homework, and the parent doing the homework.
15:50 <@oddball> Hell, I know several teachers that would jump for joy over hearing that a parent was doing the former, given the current attitude of parents not giving a shit about their kids.
15:51 <@klixa> that is so alien to me i guess
15:51 <@klixa> im with my baby 24/7 right now
15:51 <@klixa> we're sitting on the bed together
15:51 <@klixa> i dont understand these not give a shit type parents
15:51 <@Dagmar> oddball: You should play more GTAV Online.  :)
15:52 <@oddball> Sorry... they may give a shit about their kids, but they don't want to actually do anything beyond yelling at the teachers because their sweet little angel failed a quiz.
15:52 <@Dagmar> Then you can help me encourage the kids of today to ask their parents to step up and be parents and take that game away from them.  :)
15:52 <@klixa> oddball: i learned more from my parents than school
15:52 <@klixa> thats why school was so easy actually
15:52 <@klixa> when i was 4, i asked my fatehr why the sky was blue...and he gave me a 1 hour lecture about it
15:53 <@oddball> heh, nice
15:53 <@klixa> my father was... well he designed guitar pickups (electromagnetic thingies) but was also kinda an enhineer..and was doing some kinda research/patents with eddy currents
15:53 <@Mirage> klixa: there's a limit on everything.  my cousin has gone a little overboard w/ her daughter who's almost 7 and has never spent the night away from home.  my cousin will go over to her parents at 1-2am to get her and take her home..while leaving her son there.
15:54 <@klixa> Mirage: im gonna have to work on not ending up like that probaly...i def swing towards the caring too much/overprotective side of things
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15:56 <@klixa> oddball: what age were the kids you were helping after school?
15:56 <@oddball> That program was.. uh... k-6 I think.
15:57 <@oddball> This was also at a private school specifically designed for kids with ADD, dyslexia, etc.
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15:57 <@klixa> oddball: i had/have ADD
15:57 <@klixa> it went unnoticed tho
15:58 <@klixa> it didnt show up until high school...and so they just thought i was on drugs..i wasnt
15:58 <@shapr> Wait, what were we talking about? I got distracted.
15:58 <@shapr> by something shiny
15:58 <@klixa> shapr: ooh me too
15:58 <@shapr> :-)
15:58 <@klixa> so pretty
15:58 <@klixa> speaking of teh pretty...i found packs of blank circuit boards...soooo adorable
15:59 <@klixa> i wanna by them and cut them into cute shapes
15:59 <@oddball> Yeah... that happens a lot since kids with ADD also typically have high IQs.  They have a tendency to be able to think fast enough to hide it.
15:59 <@oddball> (happened to me also)
16:00 <@shapr> I disagree, I don't think ADD is associated with intelligence.
16:00 <@shapr> I think ADD pushes people to develop what they have
16:01 <@shapr> but I've seen several flagrantly ADD people who just aren't very bright.. it's like seeing a new train wreck every half hour
16:01 <@klixa> oddball: in my expereince, you waste A LOT of your intelligence just trying to be normal
16:01 <@klixa> its just most people ONLY deal with teh smart ADD people...the dumb ones, the ADD goes unnoticed oir they are in jail, etc
16:01 <@klixa> but thats BS to act like ADD goes with intelligence...no, ADD fucks your life up
16:02 <@shapr> Right, stupid ADD people never make it out the starting gate
16:02 <@klixa> if one is inteoogent AND ADD its despite it
16:02 <@klixa> intelligent*
16:02 <@shapr> klixa: I think it's a challenge, but you can work around it.
16:02 <@klixa> shapr: see abouvem where i said its DESPITE it
16:02 <@klixa> ADD is an obstacle
16:02 <@klixa> yes, it can be ovesome...but its a damn obstacle
16:02 <@shapr> sure it is
16:03 <@oddball> shapr: I've done a *lot* of research on it, and have talked to folks that are national experts on the subject.  There's a pretty damn high incident rate of people having both high IQs and ADD.
16:03 <@shapr> but like any disability, if you develop yourself to get around it, you've developed yourself further than many :-)
16:03 <@shapr> oddball: Hook me up with some research, [citation needed] :-)
16:03 <@klixa> oddball: if i werent feeling so ADHD atm, i would cite links to disprove you
16:03 <@klixa> but....bleh
16:04 <@klixa> protip, no one is checking to see if Jo-Bob the janitor who dropped out in 8th grade has ADHD
16:04 <@oddball> And no... I'm not saying ADD is a good thing.  Having ADD really sucks sometimes.
16:06 <@klixa> i think its hype
16:07 <@shapr> oddball: I totally agree, been there my whole life
16:07 <@shapr> oddball: but I welcome the opportunity to learn more
16:07 <@oddball> Ok, fine.  I'd grab some of the books that could back me up, but I haven't replaced them after my apartment fire a couple years back.
16:08 <@klixa> sure, blame the fire
16:08 <@shapr> got any pointers, keywords, etc?
16:08 <@klixa> :)
16:08 <@klixa> oddball: i can find sources to back you up AND to back me up...its a controversial topic
16:08 <@shapr> oddball: I want to consume more information!
16:08 <@oddball> I'll try to remember to find a couple of the ones that are still at my mom's place next time I'm over there.
16:08 <@oddball> klixa: Fair enough. :)
16:09 <@shapr> oddball: thanks!
16:09 <@klixa> oddball: one thing i can agree too...and this is related to intelliegnce...is ADHD people tend to have many intersts because they/we get bored easily
16:09 <@oddball> And part of it is trying to weed through the bullshit and figure out which is correct. :/
16:09 <@shapr> truly
16:09 <@shapr> Yeah, exposure to new things allows you to connect the dots later
16:10 <@klixa> oddball: i read something about the intelligence+adhd thing, and it basically said that it just seems that way because if someone is dumb and cant do something, people just assume its the dumbnes causing it...this is a very watered down version of what i read
16:10 <@klixa> so ADHD is more likely ti get diagnosed in smarter peopel (according to article)
16:10 <@oddball> I will try to remember to ask my mom (who is a nationally recognized special ed educator) for a couple good titles of books on adults trying to deal with ADHD.
16:11 <@oddball> klixa: It's possible.
16:18 <@klixa> oddball: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15495545
16:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: The IQs of children with ADHD are no... [J Learn Disabil. 2000 Sep-Oct] - PubMed - NCBI (at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
16:18 <@oddball> klixa: Interesting.  I'll give it a read
16:19 <@klixa> theers probably better sources out there
16:20 <@oddball> And I will admit that most of my knowledge is a couple years old... and, like you said, that's a field where there's constantly new info.
16:20 <@klixa> well, this sudy is old... but i coudl find newer ones
16:20 <@oddball> heh... although that one came out in 2000.
16:20 <@klixa> oddball: im not an expert,..but becuase i *have* it i have read ALOT abou tit
16:20 <@klixa> ALOT
16:20 <@klixa> i love the idea of ADHD=smart
16:20 <@klixa> i mean, i am biased for that
16:20 <@oddball> heh
16:20 <@klixa> but... form all my reading, i dont believe it
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> If an idiot had ADHD, how could you tell?
16:21 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: thats kinda what i said earlier
16:22 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: "13:04:21 klixa: protip, no one is checking to see if Jo-Bob the janitor who dropped out in 8th grade has ADHD"
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> Janitors are plenty smart
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> You wouldn't be a very successful janitor with ADHD
16:23 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: just pay attention to the spirit of my remark and NOT nitpick the details...
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: Consider that a janitor needs the ability to pay attention to a task for long periods.  Mopping a floor, for example.
16:26 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: i have ADHD and could mop a floor...it would bore the fuck out of me, but i could do it
16:27 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: and if you saw something else that needed to be done, would you continue mopping the floor or change tasks?
16:27 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: depends
16:28 <@klixa> i do know i have often been cooking dinner...went to do soemthing else..forgot i was cooking until i saw smoke
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> Someone with ADHD would likely switch to new tasks, then find something else to do while retrieving the tools to do that job, and so on
16:28 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: well, ADHD people do get *some* stuff done
16:29 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: eventually, sure, but sometimes with a lot of context switching
16:30 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: adhd is also a spectrum...people can improve
16:30 <@klixa> im better at finishing stuff than i used to be
16:30 <@klixa> i need to fix my laptop bag...Crumpler sent me a new strap like 5 months ago...
16:31 <@klixa> all this talk about distraction :/
16:32 <@Corydon76-home> I'm thinking the baby is pretty shiny
16:32 <@klixa> yes, yes indeed :)
16:33 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, good, wasn't sure if that was an obvious joke
16:33 <@Corydon76-home> Some of my jokes sound better in my head.
16:33 <@klixa> it was obvious..and a good one :)
16:49 <@Wilpig> brown noser
16:50 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: Nah, I like it to be washed before I stick my tongue up there
16:51 <@Corydon76-home> btw, the jacuzzi tubs at the last GeekNIC were REALLY good at cleaning that area...
16:51 <@klixa> gay men= what women would be like if they had testosterone and were crude :P
16:52 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: it's not my fault Peaches likes me to eat him out before I fuck him
16:52 <@Wilpig> my room didn't have a jacuzzi tub
16:52 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: sure it is.  if you hadn't done it once he wouldn't have grown to expect it
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16:55 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: you ever have anybody do it to you?
16:56 <@Wilpig> no
16:56 <@Wilpig> stay away from my ass
16:56 <@Corydon76-home> I know there are women out there who will do that
16:57 <@Corydon76-home> Once anybody does it to you, you'll want everybody to do it to you
16:57 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: straight men often dont like it much
16:57 <@klixa> they dont like things entering that area at all
16:57 <@klixa> in general
16:57 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: I don't know why not.  It feels fuckin' awesome
16:58 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: its probably psychological more than anything
17:00 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: I'm a top, and I still like it
17:00 <@klixa> you are also fairly uninhibited
17:00 <@klixa> ay least conversationally
17:01 <@klixa> at*
17:01 <@Corydon76-home> Fair enough
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17:18 <@Mirage> For soem reason the wording of the comment just doesn't sound like Corydon.. "15:57 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: I don't know why not.  It feels fuckin' awesome"
17:19 <@Dickie> Few things excite him to such giddiness
17:19 <@Dickie> Butt stuff is on the list
17:20 <@Dickie> Butt Stuff: from the makers of Mouth Things
17:33 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage:  You got me.  This is actually Goat21.
17:33 <@Mirage> lol
17:34 <@Mirage> Corydon76-home: in that case, I think I still have your MC Chris cd
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18:02 <@Dagmar> Has to be a Wal-Mart in Colorado http://cheezburger.com/7902765568
18:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Snack Theft Has Gone Way Down! - Cheezburger (at cheezburger.com)
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18:23 <@klixa> if it were colorado the bags would be puffed out
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18:25 <@Wilpig> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=234829676#_=_
18:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: Steam Community :: Screenshot :: Of course there are dildo's in Mrs. Cartman's room. (at steamcommunity.com)
18:26 <@Wilpig> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=234830171#_=_
18:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Steam Community :: Screenshot :: HAHAHA I should have just taken a few more steps. (at steamcommunity.com)
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18:33 <@brimstone> is the stick of truth a dildo?
18:34 <@Dagmar> Aww... The Stick of Truth isn't in any Redbox kiosks yet
18:36 <@Wilpig> brimstone: no
18:36 <@Wilpig> it's an actual stick
18:36 <@Wilpig> the taking a poop interface is cracking me up
18:38 <@Dagmar> Dinnerbone: Because *excess feels are meant for destroying*
18:38 <@Dagmar> This is way more elaborate than it should be http://huvrtech.com/
18:39 <@Wilpig> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=234833919#_=_
18:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Steam Community :: Screenshot :: Chinballs! (at steamcommunity.com)
18:47 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Stop spending my money, damnit
18:48 <@Wilpig> haha
18:48 <@Wilpig> okay I gotta say this is so far chock full of references from every season of southpark and I am highly amused so far
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18:48 <@Dagmar> wilpig: How large was the acutal install?
18:48 <@Wilpig> 4gb?
18:49 <@Wilpig> I dunno.  it preloaded
18:56 <@Dagmar> I'm going to continue screwing with Theif for the next two hours and see if my interest wanes
18:56 <@oddball> How is the new Theif?
18:57 <@Dagmar> eddyb: Leary may have been a jokester, but he was actually serious about using that for therapy
19:01 <@Dagmar> oddball: Well, it's pretty, but the story is a bit shallow, and navigation is actually kind of linear
19:01 <@oddball> ah
19:01 <@Dagmar> ...although the city is a goddamn maze
19:01 <@Dagmar> If they made it easy to get around I suppose people would realize the whole map is only about eight square blocks
19:02 <@Dagmar> Like, who the fuck has a two room upstairs apartment where the only access is in through the window?
19:02 <@Dagmar> Why are these locations ever in games?
19:02 <@Dagmar> ...and how they fuck did they get a cabinet in there??
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19:08 <@Wilpig> damnit.  I knew better.
19:08 <@Wilpig> dicks
19:09 <@Wilpig> do you remember the episode of southpark where they did the whole banking gag?  give the bank moneythen a few seconds later, it's gone
19:09 <@oddball> Dagmar: Gotta love those
19:09 <@Wilpig> I just gave the bank $20 and then bam.  it's gone
19:09 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: 5.45GB on the HD
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19:15 <@Wilpig> al gore is hiding in the bushes.  BAWHAHAHAHAHAA
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20:21 < ShadowHntr> i still need to try to recover the data from my 1.5TB drive i have sitting in my drawer
20:21 < ShadowHntr> i had an XFS filesystem on top of LVM
20:22 < ShadowHntr> tried to add a new physical disk to the pool
20:22 < ShadowHntr> and used the wrong command to grow the filesystem
20:22 < ShadowHntr> thought i had to use extents, and completely botched the filesystem
20:22 < ShadowHntr> and that was my backup!
20:22 < ShadowHntr> i think the data is still there, but the filesystem is screwed
20:23 < ShadowHntr> haven't even had luck with xfs recovery tools :(
20:23 < ShadowHntr> mental note to self - next time use ZFS :)
20:23 <@Dagmar> ...or just stop spanking around with something that requires attention and use ext4
20:26 <@Wilpig> okay.  last one I swear.  just read the sign.  http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=234855407
20:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Steam Community :: Screenshot :: HOLY SHIT! LOL (at steamcommunity.com)
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20:45 < RangerZ1> so... FL... Looking to _expand_ stand your ground law...
20:46 < RangerZ1> yeah... b/c FL needs to make sure that Fark will NEVER get rid of the FL tag
20:49 < RangerZ1> whats funny is... I 'kinda' agree with the expansion, since its obvious that the law would help someone who is being witch hunt by FL DA over firing warning shot. But, I don't know if that would actually help things overall
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20:50 < Synx|hm> sup peeps
20:50 < RangerZ1> nm
20:50 < RangerZ1> just got home, reading the news, etc
20:50 < Synx|hm> oddball: you still around?
20:52 < RangerZ1> nah he isn't
20:52 < RangerZ1> I mentioned gun rights law
20:52 < RangerZ1> and his spidery sense didn't go off
20:53 < RangerZ1> lol
20:53 < Synx|hm> ha
20:53 < Synx|hm> that video he shared from the onion the everybody knows you are high one
20:53 < Synx|hm> if you watch it on their website you get a different version each time for added effect
20:53 < RangerZ1> didn't see it
20:53 < RangerZ1> lol, nice
20:54 < Synx|hm> http://www.theonion.com/video/new-marijuana-study-says-everyone-knows-youre-high,35386/
20:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: New Marijuana Study Says Everyone Knows You're High And You'll Likely Be Stoned Forever | Video | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (at www.theonion.com)
20:54 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKa4ILTFs7Y wow...
20:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: RT Reacts After RT Host Condems Russia Over Ukraine Actions - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:55 < RangerZ1> Says they will send her to Crimea
20:55 < RangerZ1> lol
21:00 <@sdodson> Synx|hm, how many versions are there?
21:00 < Synx|hm>     Snakes everywhere
21:00 < Synx|hm>     Blood everywhere
21:00 < Synx|hm>     Doctor and reporter have no face
21:00 < Synx|hm>     Doctor and reporter are screaming
21:00 < Synx|hm>     Reporter explodes into the universe
21:00 < Synx|hm>     Someone standing in the window behind the doctor
21:00 < Synx|hm>     Reporter stops talking for 6 seconds
21:01 < Synx|hm>     Doctor turns into a ghost
21:01 < Synx|hm> possibly more
21:03 < Synx|hm> here are some direct links to the versions
21:04 < Synx|hm> http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1zjszp/everyone_knows_youre_high_and_youll_be_stoned/cfuluof
21:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: nikomo comments on Everyone Knows You're High and You'll be Stoned Forever - The Onion (at www.reddit.com)
21:04 <@sdodson> Synx|hm, there's at least one version that's completely normal right?
21:05 < Synx|hm> well i mean there is nothing really normal about it so i dont know
21:05 < Synx|hm> its all subtle chagnes
21:11 <@sdodson> Synx|hm, I feel like the first time I watched it there was nothing odd.
21:11 < Synx|hm> possible im not sure
21:11 < Synx|hm> i feel the same though
21:11 < Synx|hm> some of the stuff is subtle enough you might not have noticed
21:13 <@sdodson> Synx|hm, i think you're right
21:40 <@Dagmar>  Some of it is NOT subtle
21:41 < Synx|hm> yes for sure
21:47 < Synx|hm> so unifi ap, aonyone using one?
21:48 < Synx|hm> TIL i should use anybody in the above case
21:49 <@Wilpig> never heard of a unifi ap
21:49 <@brimstone> i heard they're the shit
21:49 <@brimstone> but never used one that i know about
21:49 < Synx|hm> yes i heard the shit, im not sure how i feel about mine
21:49 < Synx|hm> been running it about 8 months now
21:49 <@Wilpig> I wanna say the days inn had a few of them
21:49 <@Wilpig> I remember seeing something similar the last year we were there
21:50 < Synx|hm> there are some things i really like
21:50 < Synx|hm> i have the normal one, so non enterprise with GigE and standard PoE
21:50 < Synx|hm> mine is 100mbit and odd PoE standard
21:50 < Synx|hm> however it does VLAN tagging support multi WAN SSIDs at the same time on different VLANs
21:50 < Synx|hm> which is way cool
21:51 <@Wilpig> indeed
21:51 < Synx|hm> what i have noticed though is mine resets it self at least 5+ times a day
21:51 <@Wilpig> that could just be an issue with yours.  tried reflashing the rom?
21:51 < Synx|hm> and it doesn't seem to like going over 3 WLANs
21:51 < Synx|hm> Wilpig: the controller updates it automatically i think
21:52 < Synx|hm> and i leave the controller running most days
21:52 <@Wilpig> that could be your reboot right there
21:52 < Synx|hm> though that controller blows at least in support of windows server 2012
21:52 < Synx|hm> it also does it when the controller software is off
21:52 < Synx|hm> but good call
21:52 < Synx|hm> ill look into that
21:52 <@Dagmar> All I gotta say is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T86y-cThoLE
21:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: HIGH IN PUBLIC SIMULATOR! Octodad Gameplay! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:03 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: In character customization, one of the eyewear pieces even has no lenses.  Heh
22:04 <@Wilpig> hehe.  you ended up getting it?  I had to turn it off for the night so I will get some other work done
22:05 <@Wilpig> I'm attempting to put at least 2 hours a night into openDCIM since tumblr is now paying me to work on it.
22:08 <@Dagmar> Well, it was either that or EP2 of The Walking Dead, Season 2, and my nerves are still a little frayed from nearly deleting a bunch of data this morning
22:08 <@Dagmar> I need some _calm_ before bed.
22:08 <@Dagmar> Fucking autofs
22:08 <@Catonic> wow.. totally forgot about irc
22:08 <@Dagmar> I do believe from now on I'll always use `rmdir` to delete directories
22:08 <@Dagmar> *always*
22:09 <@Catonic> Mirage: depends on the jurisdiction I am in and the local laws.
22:09 <@Dagmar> I was like, "Do ti do... remove the line from auto.direct, umount the thing, rm -rf /mountpoint`
22:10 <@Dagmar> ...got an error message about there being files in an endless loop there.
22:10 <@Dagmar> Like... "what?"
22:10 <@Dagmar> So VERY nice of autofs to remount something when I'm trying to get rid of a mountpoint
22:10 <@Catonic> find . -type f -exec rm -f {} \;
22:10 <@Dagmar> Catonic: NO>
22:11 <@Dagmar> It was a _remote NFS mount_
22:11 <@Catonic> so umount? =P
22:11 <@Dagmar> Yes.
22:11 <@Dagmar> ...but the moment rm looked at it, autofs remounts it
22:11 <@Dagmar> I just *assumed* that since I'd hit up cfengine that the change to auto.direct would have incurred a restart of it
22:12 <@Dagmar> Since I've known rm to get a list *before* it starts work, I got all paranoid and freaked out
22:12 <@Dagmar> I had one of the storage files get me a file listing from their last snapshot to be 100% certain
22:13 <@Dagmar> The sad thing is that it's not IRC that messes with my focus
22:13 <@Dagmar> It's goddamn Lynx
22:13 <@Dagmar> er Lync
22:13 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to start flagging myself busy when I'm typing or something
22:14 <@eryc> ya man always use rmdir
22:14 <@Dagmar> The worst part is that this particular customer drives me a bit mad
22:15 <@oddball> Because IRC doesn't make pop ups or noise everytime someone says something to you?
22:15 <@Dagmar> I just had to explain to them this morning that diagnosing why their sql queries were slow is actually a rather complex task best left to consultants
22:15 <@Dagmar> oddball: yeah probably so
22:15 <@Dagmar> I check this window when everything is dealt with
22:16 <@Dagmar> I've also had to tell these guys three times now that I can't create their new 4Tb share.
22:17 <@Dagmar> There's someone else they need to contact about that and they're not getting the unsubtle hints saying "You'll need to contact So-and-So to fill out the paperwork."
22:17 <@oddball> Yeah... that's one of those "fuck... do I look like a DBA?" moments.
22:17 <@Dagmar> Well, I could probably do it is the other annoying thing.
22:17 <@Dagmar> Most people's SQL is deranged
22:17 <@Dagmar> ...but if *I'm* the one diagnosing your database setup, you should feel deep shame.
22:18 <@Dagmar> I just *barely* know what I'm doing
22:18 <@Dagmar> Tomorrow I get to breach the subject of a URL on their webservers we can poke with the load balancers.
22:19 <@Dagmar> One that won't write errors to the syslog about directory listing being disabled for / and make OSSEC angry and mail everyone
22:19 <@Dagmar> I am considering just suggesting a bogus vhost
22:20 <@Dagmar> ...because it would be a simpler solution that we could drop into _all_ the webserver configs
22:20 <@Dagmar> Customers wouldn't have to worry about 'DON'T DELETE THE MAGIC FILE'
22:21 <@Dagmar> Apache doesn't really care if a virtualhost has an impossible name
22:21 <@Dagmar> ...and it wouldn't interfere with their namespaces
22:22 <@Dagmar> HEAD / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: herp.derp\t\n\t\n
22:22 <@Dagmar> er something like that
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22:24 <@Dagmar> The OCD in me really doesn't like that the containers in South Park can only be interacted with once.
22:24 <@Dagmar> I'm running around leaving cabinets open, lights on... Pfft.
22:25 <@Wilpig> yeah but at least with them left open you aren't trying to loot them again later
22:25 <@Wilpig> have you hit the shitter yet?
22:25 <@Dagmar> Yes and I'm *not* picking that up
22:25 <@Wilpig> lol
22:25 <@Wilpig> btw you can break lamps and stuff do
22:25 <@Wilpig> too*
22:26 <@Wilpig> although I'm still really amused with the comments on teh farting on people
22:29 <@Dagmar> I dont' want to see elitist, but I saw Butters and the other guy and thought, "Okay, maybe if I just walk past them quietly I can find some *other* friends."
22:29 <@Dagmar> s/see/seem/
22:34 <@Wilpig> haha
22:34 <@Wilpig> you're stuck with butters for a while at least.
22:34 <@Wilpig> it seems like you can unlock kenny though
22:39 <@Dagmar> God.  Yes.  it's South Park alright
22:42 <@sdodson> I had someone tell me today that they had storage needs somewhere between 100G and 2,000T and they can't figure out how much they'll actually need.
22:43 <@sdodson> "Cool, I'll need between $1M and $1M and I do know how much I need regardless."
22:44 <@sdodson> Somewhat simplifying the situation but that's the gist of it.
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22:58 <@northrup> 4TB share?!
22:59 <@oddball> I have a 9TB share on my home network.
22:59 <@Wilpig> northrup: are you looking at my disk?
23:00 <@oddball> oops... sorry, went with full paranoid mode when I had to rebuild that array... it's only a 6TB share.
23:00 <@northrup> Oh - I've got those bloat shares at my work as well... users think they have to "keep" and "share" things...
23:00 <@Wilpig> http://blueboy.wilpig.org/phpsysinfo/
23:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Redirection (at blueboy.wilpig.org)
23:00 <@northrup> the reality is that it's a graveyard for shit that never gets looked at or touched again
23:00 <@Wilpig> mine is actively used.  heh
23:01 <@oddball> I can see wanting a 4TB partition for database work... given a sufficiently large company.
23:01 <@Wilpig> we have a few 4TB flashcards for testing with the DB system
23:01 <@oddball> Also, drive space is cheap.
23:02 <@northrup> Wilpig: what do you use to record tv?
23:03 <@Wilpig> the internets
23:03 <@northrup> heh - that's what I thought...
23:03 <@Wilpig> doesn't make sense to do it yourself most of the time now
23:03 <@Wilpig> other folks are doing really good work already
23:04 <@northrup> You using nzb sites?
23:04 <@Wilpig> nope
23:04 <@Wilpig> primarily torrent
23:05 <@Wilpig> rtorrent + rss feeds   are pretty nice
23:12 <@Catonic> anyone ever get fetchmail to work with gmail?
23:12 <@Catonic> Wilpig: any MTOS replacements?
23:12 < Synx|hm_> how should a packet looks that goes to a gateway, only the MAC should reflect the gateway correct, the IP could still be external?
23:13 <@Dagmar> Catonic: Probably a few thousand people or so
23:15 <@northrup> Synx|hm_: on a routed network, without NAT/PAT?
23:15 <@northrup> Synx|hm_: also - what are you looking for / trying to do?
23:16 < Synx|hm_> no matter, from the perspective of the sending device, say I want to send a packet to 8.8.8.8 but dont know the route
23:16 < Synx|hm_> so i formulate a pack with layer ii mac address of my gateway but the IP destination of 8.8.8.8
23:16 <@Wilpig> Catonic: mots?
23:16 <@Wilpig> mtos*
23:16 < Synx|hm_> ?
23:20 <@northrup> I'm not sure what your asking... your client would never know the route to 8.8.8.8, that is all derived from upstream devices.
23:20 < Synx|hm_> exactly
23:21 < Synx|hm_> so how does it create the IP packet
23:21 < Synx|hm_> with the mac address of the gateway as the destination that it got from an ARP request right?
23:21 <@northrup> the IP packet is modified at each routed point
23:21 < Synx|hm_> right, i get that im capturing at the device that originates the packet
23:22 < Synx|hm_> nm it was a stupid question hence why it was likely so confusing lol
23:22 <@northrup> ok.. sorry, I was trying to follow where you were going.
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23:23 < Synx|hm_> northrup: ya i understand, i was just trying to think outloud really while looking at live packet captures
23:24 <@northrup> Synx|hm_: roger that. What ya looking for? or just looking to look?
23:25 < Synx|hm_> i have an oddball setup on a linux server with two gateway profiles
23:25 <@oddball> I set up what now?  Oh... sorry.
23:25 < Synx|hm_> two NICs both with access to the outside world, so i route traffic that originates at one nic to my ISP and traffic that originates at the other nic down a VPN tunnel external to the server
23:26 < Synx|hm_> some days it works... some days it doesn't and i cannot figure out why ;)
23:27 < Synx|hm_> unfortunantly the linux box is not using my gateway on the VPN nic right now
23:27 < Synx|hm_> though i changed nothing and it worked last week
23:27 <@northrup> I hate those kinds of problems... the seemingly "phantom" problems
23:28 < Synx|hm_> ya
23:28 < Synx|hm_> its so bizar, when i ping -I ethVPN 8.8.8.8 i see an arp request for the correct gateway then a packet go out to 8.8.8.8 with my gateways mac
23:28 < Synx|hm_> if i ping -I ethVPN 5.5.0.1 i see an arp request for 5.5.0.1 wtf
23:31 <@northrup> what do your static routes look like on the linux box?
23:31 <@northrup> one of them has to be a default route
23:31 < Synx|hm_> thats the thing, im using iproute2 to do two different default route tables
23:32 < Synx|hm_>  http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/iproute2.html
23:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: LiNUX Horizon - Linux Advanced Routing mini HOWTO (at www.linuxhorizon.ro)
23:33 <@northrup> you can't have two default routes, otherwise the traffic will round robin between two equal cost routes
23:34 < Synx|hm_> ya check that link, its very non standard
23:34 < Synx|hm_> it uses rules to figure out what to use as the default route
23:35 <@northrup> reading - but my cursory is that it uses rules to determin where to send reponse traffic based upon where it came from, you'll still need a default route.
23:35 <@northrup> standby
23:36 < Synx|hm_> np, im not going to some days i think i understand it but then when things dont work its complicated enough its hard to find if the issue is this linux box, my downstream router, or my VPN tunnel
23:36 < Synx|hm_> s/not going to/not going to lie
23:39 <@northrup> Ok - I'm cooking with gas now...
23:39 <@oddball> hmmm... any osX gurus on at the moment.  Got a buddy with a weird permissions issue.
23:39 <@northrup> so, do you have the first example laid into the config, so you're just routing and flinging based on source
23:39 <@northrup> or do you have the second example, and you're trying to route based upon target protocal / port?
23:39 < Synx|hm_> first
23:40 < Synx|hm_> i route based upon source /24
23:40 <@northrup> oddball: I'll take a crack, says the guy typing on his mac
23:40 < Synx|hm_> each nic is on a seperate subnet/vlan
23:41 <@northrup> Right, but you'll need to ping from a source that isn't that interface to test
23:42 <@northrup> So in strict parlance, that interface only knows about the direct network on the other side of it and to send all of the rest of the traffic down that path
23:42 <@oddball> Buddy's wife is dumping things from her Windows box onto his Mac via an SMB share.  The files are showing up, but only her account has access to the files without him going "I'm admin, bitch!" and manually adjusting the permissions on the file.
23:42 <@northrup> you're routing statements are directed and network segments that *aren't* that interface
23:42 <@oddball> I thought he should at least have read permission by default.
23:42 < Synx|hm_> northrup: the rule routes based upon SOURCE IP, so if i ping -I eth1 i should force the correct source address and in turn use the correct gateway
23:45 <@northrup> oddball: Well... even though it's serving it up via SMB, the underlying permission structure isn't exactly acls to acls (see what I did there)...
23:45 <@northrup> was the top folder that she started dumping stuff into set with him having read rights?
23:46 <@oddball> yes
23:46 <@northrup> Synx|hm_:  are you using the router box to also be the point of access as well?
23:46 <@oddball> I guess one of the questions I need to check is if osX tries to enherit Windows permissions.
23:47 < Synx|hm_> northrup: it gets about a million times more confusing on the router i promise lol
23:47 <@northrup> oddball: generally, no
23:47 <@oddball> That's what I was thinking.
23:48 <@northrup> Synx|hm_: in the exampled given at the link you referenced, theer are routes in the tables for 10.11.11.0/24 and 10.12.12.0/24 to RDS
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23:48 <@northrup> Synx|hm_: and 10.22.22.0/24 and 10.33.33.0/24 to ASTRAL
23:48 < Synx|hm> poop
23:48 < Synx|hm> i missed all after oddballs "i guess one of the questions..." comment
23:49 <@oddball> 22:48 <@northrup> Synx|hm_: in the exampled given at the link you referenced, theer are routes in the tables for 10.11.11.0/24 and 10.12.12.0/24 to RDS
23:49 < Synx|hm> right, but its FROM
23:49 <@oddball> I think that's the only comment of relevence to you after your last comment.
23:49 < Synx|hm> :)
23:50 < Synx|hm> northrup: hey one sec dont send anything yet i might drop again
23:50 <@northrup> Synx|hm: ok
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23:52 < Synx|hm_> like clockwork
23:52 < Synx|hm_> ha
23:52 < Synx|hm_> im back
23:52 <@northrup> Synx|hm_: LOL
23:53 < Synx|hm_> pfsense drops my irc connection when i cycle openvpn connections
23:53 < Synx|hm_> though i was on a voip sip call the entire time that stayed up ;)
23:53 <@northrup> So what I was saying, is in the example, RDS has two 24 bit networks routed to it, and ASTRAL has two different 24 bit networks routed to it
23:53 < Synx|hm_> right but the key in those examples is its a FROM
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23:54 < Synx|hm_> so any packets originating FROM those addresses (and in effect the associated NIC) are routed to the correct gateway
23:54 <@northrup> the gateway for RDS is 10.1.1.1, which means that while it's not stated in the example, we can assume that the Eth1 interface would be in the 10.1.1.0/24 network
23:54 < Synx|hm_> oh interesting point
23:55 <@northrup> if you pinged with a SOURCE interface of Eth1, it would generate traffic that has a source address that isn't included in the FROM routing
23:55 < Synx|hm_> in my case it does
23:55 < Synx|hm_> ..
23:56 <@northrup> ermm... that might not work because those networks aren't supposed to be defined in the from address settings, this example is built with the understanding that the from networks are different segments that the interfaces connected to the networks
23:56 <@northrup> which is why you still have a 'main' section of the routing configuration that is the linux hosts default routing configuration
23:56 < Synx|hm_> ya thats possible
23:57 < Synx|hm_> but i promise you this has worked haha
23:57 <@northrup> This is don't doubt...
23:57 < Synx|hm_> im actually thinking now its a pfsense or VPN issue right now and independant of this linux box
23:57 <@northrup> pfsense can be trixy
23:57 < Synx|hm_> because on the pfsense interfaces i can also not ping 8.8.8.8
23:57 < Synx|hm_> the VPN specific interfaces that is
23:57 <@northrup> I used to run pfsense on some old Nokia hardware
23:58 <@northrup> ... then when one of them died (I had an active passive cluster) I upgraded to a routerboard configuration... slick shit.
23:58 <@northrup> http://routerboard.com
23:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: RouterBoard.com : Products (at routerboard.com)
23:59 < Synx|hm_> neat
23:59 < Synx|hm_> ill have to check that out
23:59 < Synx|hm_> i run pfsense on my ESX host as my main router
23:59 < Synx|hm_> makes it very scary to take down and upgrade pfsense because i could possible lock myself out of vsphere and in turn all systems and pfsense LOL
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