--- Log opened Mon Mar 03 00:00:00 2014
--- Day changed Mon Mar 03 2014
00:00 <@klixa> hahahaha fire
00:00 <@EnabrinTain> shapr: that was last tuesday
00:00 <@klixa> EnabrinTain: since you homebrew...why did you get hm girly vodka? is this a reflection on you or on him?
00:00 <@shapr> AND I MISSED IT?
00:00 <@oddball> shapr: I guess that's one advantage of having to go to a dedicated liquor store for alcohol in this state.  You tend to have options.
00:00 <@shapr> EnabrinTain: You shoulda told me!
00:00 <@shapr> oddball: Eh, I asked for some off the wall stuff in Nashville and they'd never heard of it :-(
00:01 <@oddball> Well, that depends on the store. :p
00:01 <@shapr> I wanted a bottle of Grappa, a six pack of Bell's Expedition Stout, or salmiakki koskenkorva
00:01 <@oddball> I've asked for mead and had responses of "what's that" and "that's a kind of beer, right?"
00:01 <@EnabrinTain> klixa: I it was kind of a joke, because I always get Banana Rum and he told me not to get Banana flavored anything
00:02 < NoFault1> shapr: yeah those would be a bit tough to find around here
00:02 <@shapr> EnabrinTain: Although honestly, the Banana Rum isn't that bad :-)
00:02 <@klixa> EnabrinTain: gotcha
00:02 <@EnabrinTain> right?
00:02 <@shapr> EnabrinTain: When's the next fire occasion?
00:03 <@klixa> i had "pirate  night" once and got rum and long jogn silvers
00:03 <@klixa> john*
00:03 <@EnabrinTain> shapr: well we've got a full bottle of propane down there now, so it could happen anytime
00:03 <@shapr> w00t!
00:03 <@klixa> oddball: are you drunk yet?
00:03 <@oddball> psh.. no
00:04 <@EnabrinTain> lowel was melting precious metals and turning them into jewelry too
00:04 <@klixa> oddball: ok, i will aks my question later then...it involves your wife...btu just keep drinking
00:04 <@oddball> I've had about two fingers of burbon.  It'll take a hell of a lot more than that.
00:05 <@oddball> klixa: Is Long John Silver's still around?  Can't remember the last time I saw one.
00:05 < NoFault1> oddball: Take two shots of orange juice and a jigger of bourbon. Wait 30 minutes.
00:05 <@oddball> klixa: I'm not planning on drinking that much tonight.
00:05 <@klixa> oddball: TN is Cpatian D's land mostly... but yes Long JOhn Silvers are everywhere i go
00:06 <@oddball> cool.  I remember liking their fish.
00:06 <@shapr> I suddenly want fried catfish
00:06 <@shapr> rather desperately
00:06 <@klixa> oddball: i was making stuff up about needing to ask you something while drunk...it was a joke/me being silly
00:06 < NoFault1> shapr: Have you checked out world market for hard to find brews?
00:06 <@shapr> I wish I lived in a sufficiently large metropolitan area that I could find a 24-hour catfish restaurant.
00:06 <@klixa> shapr: me too...me too
00:07 < NoFault1> shapr: you can usually get catfish at the Hermitage Cafe
00:07 <@shapr> NoFault1: I live in the Shoals
00:07 <@oddball> klixa: gotcha
00:08 < NoFault1> shapr: Portland?
00:08 <@klixa> NoFault1: bama
00:08 < NoFault1> ouch
00:08 <@oddball> See... I'm not a hug fan of catfish.
00:08 <@klixa> i live closer to portland than most people in here tho
00:08 <@klixa> i think im like 700 miles from portland? i dunno
00:09 < NoFault1> I wouldn't want to hug them either oddball
00:09 <@oddball> hmmm.. yeah... I may need to stop at Captian D's in the near future for some cheap fish and chips.
00:09 <@oddball> NoFault1: :p
00:09 <@klixa> ok, wtf...here is the song my friend is playing "yer hamster ran away cause yer dum.....you downloaded this song cause your dum" dafuq
00:10 < NoFault1> klixa: The Portland I was talking about is in TN
00:10 <@klixa> oddball: go eat at Hog Heaven for me :/ when i was there recenrly i had no car, and... well never got any :(
00:10 <@klixa> NoFault1: TN has a portland? didnt know
00:10 <@shapr> I didn't either!
00:10 < NoFault1> The bay to Portland, TN is about 2300-2400 miles
00:11 <@klixa> shapr: zomg, wow we have sooo much in common
00:11 <@shapr> wow!
00:11  * NoFault1 facepalm
00:13 <@oddball> klixa: heh... sounds like a plan.
00:14 <@klixa> :)
00:15  * klixa tells shapr the origin of whiskey...via song : "rain makes corn....corn makes whisky"
00:16  * shapr is suspicious
00:17 <@klixa> its legit man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VKy69sE4VY&feature=kp
00:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Luke Bryan - Rain Is A Good Thing - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:17 <@klixa> they explain all about whisky in that song
00:19 <@oddball> And for some reason, I'm reminded about the verse in TN's unofficial state song that talk about killing ATF agents looking for moonshine.
00:19 <@klixa> is rocky top the state song!?!?!?
00:19 < NoFault1> klixa: one of
00:20 < NoFault1> http://www.tn.gov/state-songs.shtml
00:20 <@oddball> Unofficially.
00:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: State Songs - TN.gov (at www.tn.gov)
00:20 <@oddball> And it is UT's fight song
00:20 <@oddball> Oh... I didn't realize it was ever officially recognized.
00:20 <@klixa> i didnt know...i also didnt realise the strangers were atf agents
00:20 < NoFault1> Yep, considering UT is a State school
00:21 <@oddball> I thought the official state song was the Tennesse Waltz.
00:21 <@oddball> and that was it.
00:21 < NoFault1> Apparently we can't have just one state song because we are musical sluts
00:21 <@klixa> you can _never_ have too much music
00:22 <@shapr> I like music.
00:22 <@oddball> klixa: Why else would two strangers be wandering around the woods looking for moonshine stills?
00:22 < NoFault1> klixa: I disagree, Rebecca Black's Friday
00:22 <@klixa> oddball: i thought they wanted to steal it
00:24 <@klixa> shapr: zomg i like music too... wow...its spooky how much we have in common...i bet you like air too, dont cha?
00:24 <@Bahhumbug> Stealing another man's still is a good way to get gutshot.
00:24 <@oddball> Nah... a still tends to be too big to easily move.
00:24 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: well, like the song says "strnagers aint come down form rockytop"
00:24 <@klixa> oddball: the other theory was they stayed and became moonshine makers too
00:25 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: stumbling upon another man's still is a good way to get gutshot.  Especially if he doesn't know you.
00:25 <@oddball> klixa: hahahahahaha... no.
00:25 <@Bahhumbug> ^ that too
00:25 <@oddball> Also, there's the bit of it was 2 strangers.  Gov. agents tend to move in pairs.
00:26 <@klixa> ok, i got a theory from the people in real life here...they found the still, robbed it/gettinf drunk...and get shot while drunk
00:26 <@shapr> klixa: I DO like air!
00:27 <@klixa> OH...and the person here pointed out that the song has been around longer than atf agents
00:27 <@klixa> shapr: OH.EM.GEE
00:27 <@oddball> Ah, they decide to take off with the moonshine from the still.  Gotcha.
00:27 < NoFault1> There are some mentions of extortion and bribes regarding law enforcement and moonshiners so maybe that explains the song?
00:27 <@shapr> wow!
00:27 < NoFault1> historical mentions*
00:27 <@oddball> klixa: Ok... government agents
00:27 <@klixa> shapr: i cant remeber the last time i connected to someone on this level...ok...do you have a fav color?cause i totally have a fav color too
00:29 <@shapr> I DO have a fav color! oh em gee!
00:30 <@oddball> Most probably the precurser to the ATF.
00:31 <@klixa> i lived in mendocino...
00:31 <@klixa> and strangers came and stole weed sometimes
00:31 <@klixa> so...i still think it could be robbers too
00:32 <@klixa> stupid ones who get caught
00:32 <@klixa> shapr: /me faints
00:47 <@klixa> night everyone
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02:23 < RangerZ1> gotta love how image search for "TALOS Tactical Armor" brings up ironman now
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02:24 < RangerZ1> b/c President Obama joked that they were building ironman, lol
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02:25 < NoFault> Interesting
02:26 < RangerZ1> which honestly
02:26 < RangerZ1> its like IronMan pre-alpha
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07:19 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:20 <@Wilpig> no u
07:24 <@Dolemite> Definitely did not want to get up this morning
07:25 <@Wilpig> nor did I
07:25 <@Wilpig> and we didn't get shit for snow
07:25 <@Dolemite> We've got rain coming and the temperature is falling.  Near freezing when I walked in.
07:26 <@Dolemite> Got up, Pamela woke up our son, and then she got the text message that Knox County Schools would be delayed 2 hours, subject to change to a cancellation depending on weather
07:26 <@Dolemite> So they went back to bed.  I drove on into work.
07:28 <@Wilpig> the forecast here changed so much in the middle of the night
07:28 <@Wilpig> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=08902&hourly=1&yday=61&weekday=Monday
07:29 <@Wilpig> Dolemite: I did manage to see the wind rises on friday afternoon
07:30 <@Dolemite> Yeah, it started here at the art house theater on Friday, but I haven't had time to make it there
07:30 <@Dolemite> How'd you like it?
07:30 <@Wilpig> I really enjoyed it
07:34 <@Wilpig> ROFL  this is completely a notlarry joke.  http://explosm.net/comics/3482/
07:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #3482 - Explosm.net (at explosm.net)
07:36 <@Dolemite> Yes.  Yes it is.  *groan*
07:37 <@Wilpig> that's freakin' great.  I'm sure the folks in the next office just heard me cackling
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09:31 <@Dagmar> ugh
09:31 <@Dagmar> One of our customers apparenrly has no experts on anything.
09:31 <@Dagmar> They keep pestering me with these questions that are wildly out of scope for waht i should be doing for them
09:32 <@Dagmar> I sort of want to say "Perhaps you shouldn't be trying to write giant join statements on a 10Gb database with only 4Gb RAM"
09:38 <@Dickie> Say it diplomatically
09:38 <@Dickie> There's nothing you can't say if you say it right
10:00 <@Dagmar> These are Indians.
10:00 < aestetix> Dagmar: you can
10:01 <@Dagmar> If I say it "diplomatically" we'll get this resolved in a week
10:01 < aestetix> it will just take a few hours
10:01 <@Dagmar> I'm opting for "blunt".  As in... "You guys should probably find someone skilled in the art of MySQL tuning to subcontract, or make use of Google."
10:02 <@Dagmar> I'm not quite to the point where I'm willing to asy "You need to budget for real hardware and a lot of RAM for this project"
10:02 <@Dagmar> They're wanting queries to complete in 2-3 seconds instead of 9-11.
10:02 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm pretty sure they have >10Gb of data
10:03 <@Dickie> 9-11?
10:03 <@Dickie> (never forget)
10:12  * Wilpig roofies Dickie 
10:12 <@Wilpig> never remember
10:18 <@shapr> OH HAI
10:18 <@shapr> GOod morninG randOm peoples!
10:18 <@Dolemite> <random reply>
10:21 < aestetix> penis
10:21 <@shapr> aestetix: Yes?
10:21 < aestetix> shapr: I didn't know that was your name
10:22 <@shapr> My ex-wife uses a less tactful synonym of that word as my nickname.
10:22 <@shapr> Which is odd, because I still don't know what I did to upset her.
10:23 <@shapr> aestetix: Do you have any nicknames?
10:23 < aestetix> yes
10:23 < aestetix> vagina
10:23 <@shapr> Well, that's a nice nickname.
10:23 < aestetix> do you want to touch me?
10:23  * shapr thinks about that
10:24 <@shapr> Yes, I do. I like to give people hugs.
10:25 <@Wilpig> shapr: you pissed her off by waking up each day and continually taking in air
10:25 <@shapr> Wilpig: That's actually the best theory I have at the moment.
10:26 <@shapr> I think she was hoping that leaving me for some other guy would destroy me forever or something.
10:29 < RangerZ1> Wilpig: did the datacenter shut down?
10:29 < RangerZ1> or make you stay, since someone couldn't drive in ;) lol
10:30 <@Wilpig> We got dick in the way of snow last night. :(
10:30 <@Wilpig> I drove in just fine
10:30 <@eryc> its still snowing here
10:35 <@shapr> Lots of ice on the roads here today, but I still made it into work.
10:35 <@Dickie> I'll move
10:35 <@Mirage> the northern parts of dallas are a skating rink.  it was a fun drive in to work today.
10:35 <@Dickie> No ice here.
10:35  * shapr rolls the ice for Dickie 
10:44 <@Wilpig> we got hit with another NTP reflection attack this morning
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10:48 <@shapr> Can you notify the ISPs that they need to tell their clients to upgrade their public ntpd servers?
10:49 <@Dagmar> All 30,000 of them?
10:50 <@shapr> Sure, why not?
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10:53 <@shapr> aestetix: What do you do for a living?
10:58 <@Wilpig> shapr: he's an exotic dancer
10:59 <@shapr> Neat, so ... contradancing?
10:59 <@shapr> Morris Dancing?
11:02 < aestetix> I poop into cups
11:03 <@Mirage> aestetix: does that make your printers work better?
11:03 <@Wilpig> http://staff.tumblr.com/post/78387204759/tumblr-hq-update-week-348-6th-floor-dwellers
11:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tumblr Staff (at staff.tumblr.com)
11:04 <@Mirage> Sadly, I find today's xkcd quite amusing.
11:05 <@Wilpig> Mirage: did you see cyanide and happiness today?
11:05 < aestetix> hahahahaha
11:07 <@Mirage> Wilpig: yeah, that one's right up your alley
11:10 < aestetix> man
11:10 < aestetix> I want to do a rant on twitter about how much project management software sucks
11:10 < aestetix> and we need secretaries again
11:10 < aestetix> but one of my good friends is currently doing a project management widget startup
11:10 < aestetix> and he'll take it personally
11:12 <@Corydon76-work> Secretaries typically aren't for project management tasks
11:13 < aestetix> Right, they are usually for helping schedule meetings, etcc
11:13 < aestetix> And fielding phone calls/emails
11:13 <@Corydon76-work> Fielding distractions
11:13 < aestetix> yes!
11:14 <@Corydon76-work> If you think about it, the secretaries have usurped the role of the big thinkers in the offices
11:15 < RangerZ1> nice
11:15 < RangerZ1> like the xkcd also
11:22 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: how so?
11:23 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: we type, we field email, phone calls, and we are the big thinkers
11:23 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: you're a secretary?
11:23 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: I am both roles in one
11:23 < aestetix> right
11:24 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: yeah, that is kind of true. Almost every startup founder I know tries to handle all that on their own
11:24 < aestetix> Which generally leads to forgotten emails, missed appointments, running late, etc
11:25 < aestetix> This is something that the baby boomers actually did right
11:26 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Not really.  If you consider the tools of a personal assistant, the real trick is to learning how to use those tools
11:26 <@Corydon76-work> The problem of many a startup is that those people haven't learned to use the time management tools
11:27 <@Corydon76-work> And vastly underestimate things like time buffers and travel time
11:27 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: yes and no.
11:27 < aestetix> The focus cost of taking a phone call that you don't need to is high.
11:28 < aestetix> That said, yes, 24 year old startup founders generally suck at management
11:28 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: this is why a lot of actual work gets done after hours
11:28  * aestetix nods
11:28 < aestetix> Which is two jobs in one
11:28 < aestetix> So doesn't it make more sense to hire someone to do that second job for you?
11:28 <@Corydon76-work> It would if money wasn't a factor
11:29 < aestetix> You mean greed :)
11:29 <@Corydon76-work> No, I mean cash flow
11:29 < aestetix> Well, that's part of it.
11:29 < aestetix> I'd suggest that spending a little extra cash to hire someone to smooth out processes for you would pay for itself in time.
11:29 <@Corydon76-work> In the early days of a startup, cash primarily flows out, not in
11:30 < aestetix> True, true.
11:30 <@Corydon76-work> So the more you can slow the flow, the longer you have to get revenue flowing in
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11:30 < aestetix> And this is why I'm not a startup founder.
11:31 < aestetix> Basically, there are two approaches to this, both completely logical, one of them hellish but thrifty, one of them more expensive and much easier.
11:31 <@Corydon76-work> This is why a lot of startups have two people, an idea person and a financial person
11:31 < aestetix> Maybe in Nashville
11:31 < aestetix> In the bay area, it's usually two technical people, including one who is also sort of an ideas guy
11:31 < aestetix> (yes, guy)
11:32 <@Wilpig> aestetix: the crazy is gone.  you didn't ahve to reiterate
11:32 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, it's always two technical people.  The financial guy has to understand the idea, or he'll get fleeced
11:32 < aestetix> I was having this same discussion with my gf the other day because a local coffee shop just accepted 23 million in investment funding
11:32 <@Wilpig> 23 mil for a coffee shop?!
11:32 < aestetix> Which is fucking insane.
11:32 < aestetix> yes
11:32 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, good god, the bubble is back
11:33 < aestetix> bluebottle coffee
11:33 < aestetix> oh fuck I was wrong
11:33 < NoFault> aestetix: That's crazy talk
11:33 <@Corydon76-work> Investors never learn
11:33 < aestetix> 25 million
11:33 <@klixa> is everyone in nashville still alive? :P
11:33 < aestetix> http://www.businessinsider.com/blue-bottle-coffee-raises-funds-2014-1
11:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Blue Bottle Coffee Raises Funds - Business Insider (at www.businessinsider.com)
11:33 < NoFault> klixa: I am
11:33 <@klixa> NoFault: good, good
11:33 <@klixa> did the 500 foot of snow thing happen?
11:33 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I work from home, only weird thing is looking outside and seeing white stuff on the ground
11:34 <@Corydon76-work> Nah, I can still see blades of grass
11:34 < NoFault> klixa: Nope, but there is a nice sheet of ice over the entire parking lot.
11:34 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: yeah, my facebok is covered in pic from my family of snow/ice
11:34 <@Corydon76-work> poking up through the blanket of white
11:34 <@klixa> pics*
11:34 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: yes, and we discussed the reason that business like a coffee house take a bank loan
11:34 < aestetix> investors expect a major ROI
11:34 < aestetix> whereas a bank just wants its money back with interest
11:35 <@Corydon76-work> Investors are idiots
11:35 < aestetix> Meaning that it makes no fucking sense at all that someone would invest in a coffee house
11:35 < aestetix> but I could easily see a bank loaning them money
11:37 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: correct me if I'm wrong here
11:37 <@Corydon76-work> No, you're correct.
11:38 < aestetix> I'm not sure how they expect the coffee shop to scale
11:38 <@Corydon76-work> Maybe they just sold a majority share?
11:38 < NoFault> Maybe it is that wholesale side of the business being seen as an investment opportunity.
11:39 <@Corydon76-work> Well, BeanCentral here in Nashville closed up retail and went 100% wholesale
11:40 < aestetix> NoFault: one of their major selling points is that they roast and grind the beans when you order
11:40 < aestetix> Which means it takes 3-5 minutes to make each cup of coffee
11:40 < aestetix> And then there's this whole bit about the coffee being grown in special healthy fields or something
11:40 < NoFault> I thought they roast within 48 hours but grind and brew fresh.
11:40 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: organic
11:40 < aestetix> What I'm getting at
11:41 < aestetix> Is that going wholesale would destroy their business model
11:41 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Of course, I think pretty much all of the local coffee houses use either BeanCentral or Bongo Java's beans.
11:41 < NoFault> "The company also sells wholesale beans and various coffee products and merchandise on its website."
11:41 < aestetix> NoFault: yes, but they have a limited supply
11:42 < aestetix> Oh also
11:42 < aestetix> The coffee costs four times what typical coffee costs
11:42 < NoFault> I was just wondering if maybe the reason behind the investment could be to expand both the retail but also in large part the wholesale side.
11:42 < aestetix> but the employees are still paid minimum wage
11:42 <@oddball> Is that four times what a typical coffee house coffee costs?
11:43 < NoFault> Short of fast food and menial labor I have a problem with companies that pay minimum wage.
11:44 <@oddball> I love how a couple of the comments compare it to Starbucks.  Dear god, I hope it's better than Starbucks coffee.  Starbucks is truly the McDonald's of coffee houses in many ways.
11:45 < NoFault> ^ this
11:45 <@Wilpig> Mirage: did you see the link I posted for you the other night?
11:46 <@Catonic> gah
11:46 < NoFault> oddball: I'm guessing you drink coffee, how do you brew it at home?
11:46 <@Wilpig> Mirage: http://explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Kris/coffee2.png
11:47 <@Mirage> heh
11:48 <@Wilpig> saw that and immediately had to show you
11:48 < aestetix> you know I don't actually know how their coffee is
11:48 < aestetix> when I've been to blue bottle, I've only had hot chocolate
11:48 < aestetix> (which was also overpriced)
11:48 < NoFault> Wilpig: My wife just about pissed herself reading that, thanks.
11:49 <@oddball> NoFault: Actually, I don't drink coffee that much, more of a tea guy generally.  That said, I used to practically live at Bongo Java's.  Found out I do like *good* coffee, and I know a lot of serious coffee junkies.
11:49 < aestetix> I don't drink coffee for pleasure
11:49 < aestetix> Only for "oh fuck I was up all night again and I need to stay awake through this meeting"
11:50 <@Wilpig> NoFault: damnit.
11:50 <@Mirage> I'm rather partial to the 2/28 Dilbert: http://bit.ly/1hIf6Bn
11:50 < NoFault> aestetix: That is why I brew a 12 cup pot of coffee (percolated).....every morning.
11:50 <@oddball> aestetix: Well, you have to understand that coffee house drinks will be over priced because the business model takes into consideration that the average customer will take an hour or so drinking one cup of coffee... and maybe eat a biscotti.
11:51 <@oddball> So part of what you're paying for is essentially renting a chair for an hour.
11:52 < RangerZ1> Mirage: nice
11:52 < aestetix> oddball: well sure.
11:52 < aestetix> Blue Bottle is something else though
11:52 <@oddball> Same reason why bars tend to charge almost as much for one beer as you can get a 6 pack at the grocery store.
11:54 < RangerZ1> Mirage: https://xkcd.com/1337/ today's xkcd
11:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: xkcd: Hack (at xkcd.com)
11:54 < RangerZ1> didn't realize what # it was
11:54 < NoFault> oddball: What beer are you drinking that you can buy for less than 6$/6 pack?
11:54 <@Corydon76-work> "Blue Bottle is something else though"  <-- And that's how they convinced someone to give them $25m
11:55 <@Wilpig> http://meanwhileathq.tumblr.com/post/78011415711/i-heard-tumblr-is-getting-their-own-elevator
11:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Meanwhile... at HQ... — I heard Tumblr is getting their own elevator.... (at meanwhileathq.tumblr.com)
11:56 <@oddball> NoFault: I said almost... and I've been to bars that wanted $7-8 for a beer.
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11:58  * shapr yawns
11:58 <@shapr> It's a beautiful day out there.
11:58 <@oddball> aestetix: Ah, don't know what they charge per cup.  Their site only lists prices for ordering their beans, which are higher than I can get at my local coffee house, but that might be offset by the difference in cost of doing business in Cali vs here.
11:58 <@oddball> Oh, hey... looks like it's snowing again.
11:58  * oddball really wants enough snow to be worth a damn.
11:59 <@oddball> doubt it's going to happen... especially at this rate, but...
11:59 < NoFault> It hasn't stopped yet, and the temps are supposed to stay below freezing. We might get lucky.
11:59 <@oddball> Yeah... but I think it's supposed to be warm again tomorrow.
11:59 <@shapr> I always write my best code at 13:37
12:00 <@oddball> Yeah... it's supposed to be in the 40's tomorrow.
12:01 < NoFault> Yeah but not over freezing till mid morning so maybe it will get there by tomorrow morning.
12:01  * oddball doubts it.
12:02 < NoFault> oddball: Stop killing my hopes and dreams.
12:02 < NoFault> Even if they are delusional.
12:02 <@klixa> i like starbucks :|
12:02 <@klixa> i like peet's better
12:03 <@klixa> i *hate* cafe cocoa's coffee...i dunno where the hell they get it from
12:03 <@klixa> and i like just about every corner coffee place in seattle
12:04 <@oddball> klixa: Yeah... Cocoa's coffee has always been a bit crap.
12:05 <@oddball> Used to hang out there too back when the actual freaks hung out there late at night.  The big attraction of there vs Bongo's (back when those were the two coffee houses in town) was that they allowed smoking inside.
12:06 <@oddball> Oh, sorry... the food at Cocoa's was better than Bongo's.
12:06 <@klixa> oddball: i made them give me a refund last time i was there...then got an italian cream soda instead
12:06 < NoFault> oddball: keyword was
12:07 <@klixa> a frind of a friend is teh owner of bean central (tho...probably anyone from nashville could say that)
12:08 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I know Joe, as well.
12:08 <@oddball> NoFault: Yeah.. they finally kicked the smokers out.  I never smoked, so it didn't really concern me.
12:09 <@oddball> And frankly, after several nights of even the smokers having to flee the smoking room because they couldn't breathe, I understood the decision.
12:09  * shapr chokes on a cigarette
12:09 <@shapr> mmm, nicotine
12:09 < NoFault> I've been in dives that have had better ventilation.
12:09 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: you're not supposed to swallow them
12:09 <@shapr> oh riiight
12:09 <@oddball> The last couple times I stopped by Cocoa's, it seemed that all the actual freaks had been run off and were replaced by the wannabe freaks.
12:10 <@shapr> freaks don't have as much money
12:10 < NoFault> aka late night hipsters
12:10  * shapr hops randomly
12:10 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: Are you talking about Cafe Coco, or someplace else?
12:10 <@klixa> is smoking still legal in nashville in general then?
12:10 <@oddball> Cafe Coco.  sorry... been mispelling it.
12:11 <@shapr> After moving back from Boston, I was shocked when I discovered that smoking in public is legal in Alabama.
12:11 <@shapr> Like, you can smoke in bars!
12:11 <@klixa> shapr: ?!?!??!?!?!?!
12:11 < NoFault> klixa: Yes but only on the street or in 21 up establishments.
12:11 <@klixa> thats insane
12:11 <@oddball> klixa: Well, you can have smoking inside if it's an 18 and up establishment... I think.
12:11 <@shapr> I was a smoker in Boston, people treated me like I was drinking out of a brown paper bag in public.
12:11 < NoFault> Sorry yes 18up
12:11 <@klixa> i live in cali...y friend got a $1200 ticket for smokeing...outside
12:11 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: yeah, within 50 feet of a doorway
12:11 <@shapr> I think it was only 30 feet in Boston.
12:12 < NoFault> $1200 really? As if smokers haven't paid enough in taxes and health.
12:12 <@oddball> And I believe that you're supposed to be x feet away from an entrance if you're smoking... but that's never enforced.
12:12 <@Corydon76-work> Which, in some cities means you cannot smoke anywhere
12:12 <@shapr> Raytheon had the smoker's hut some hundreds of feet out in the parking lot.
12:12 <@klixa> NoFault: it was in santa monica... that wont happen most places
12:12 <@oddball> klixa: jesus!  That's harsh.
12:12 <@klixa> yup...glad it wasnt me
12:12 <@klixa> i quit smoking 12/12/12
12:12 <@shapr> The poor addicts would scrape the snow away from the doorway and enter furtively.
12:13 < NoFault> Shit when I worked for DaVita they had a hut about 15 feet outside the back door.
12:13 <@shapr> That's nice of them.
12:13 < NoFault> Comdata on the other hand made them walk off the property
12:13 <@klixa> shapr: have you quit smoking yet? :|
12:13 <@shapr> klixa: not yet, just over six months now.
12:13 <@klixa> shapr: QUIT NOW!
12:14 <@shapr> but but... you gave me good reasons and I ignored them!
12:14 <@shapr> oh ok
12:14 <@shapr> fair enough, I'll quit this weekend.
12:14 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: 6 months since your last cigarette?
12:14 <@shapr> Corydon76-work: six months since I started smoking
12:14 <@klixa> no, he started 6 months ago
12:14 <@klixa> cause hes retarded
12:14 <@Corydon76-work> Uh, why?
12:14 <@klixa> exactly...why
12:14 <@shapr> My wife walked out the door
12:14 <@shapr> and I didn't want to start drinking
12:14 <@klixa> thats NO reason to start smoking
12:14  * NoFault smacks shapr
12:14 <@oddball> One major downside of the crack down on smoking, the number of people who chew is on the rise.
12:14 <@klixa> why start any drug
12:15 <@klixa> shapr: you could have, i dunno....started reading books
12:15 <@shapr> I did that
12:15 <@shapr> I read a BUNCH of books
12:15 <@shapr> I consumed an amazing amount of music.
12:15 <@oddball> shapr: Ouch.  Sorry to hear that man.
12:15 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: If there's a next time, trying plucking the hairs out of your arms, instead
12:15 <@Corydon76-work> Causes less pain and damage
12:15 <@shapr> I picked up several habits centered on increasing my dopamine levels.
12:16 <@shapr> On the good side, I still finished the last three months of my bachelor's degree.
12:16 <@klixa> shapr: i live with my ex atm...but there was a time of when we were 10% seprared...i broke a lot of plates
12:16 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: Or you could engage in copious amounts of sex
12:16 <@shapr> That makes me amazingly awesome btw, the fact that I finished my degree during the most painful event of my life.
12:16 <@klixa> 100%*
12:16 <@oddball> Also... I'm rather irritated with the folks that tell me that they've quit smoking while they're sucking on their e-cig.
12:16 <@klixa> oddball: ikr
12:16 < NoFault> oddball: Well technically.
12:16 <@klixa> oddball: however, that is a little healhtier than smoking
12:16 <@shapr> Corydon76-work: I considered that, and I've certainly had the opportunities, but I realized I would just be trying to fill in the hole my wife left.
12:17 <@klixa> shapr: considered what?
12:17 <@shapr> copious amounts of sex
12:17 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: Not if you're the gay sex bottom
12:17 <@shapr> hmm, that's one way of looking at it.
12:17 <@klixa> i tried to find sex during my total separation...but...thats just not me
12:17 <@oddball> Especially when I've seen clouds hovering over assholes with e-cigs in no smoking areas.
12:17 <@Corydon76-work> At least, I suspect she never filled THAT hole
12:17 <@klixa> well, more like i considered possibly thinking about finding it
12:18 <@oddball> Were they less dense than if they were actually smoking?  yes... but they were still there.
12:18 <@shapr> Corydon76-work: she certainly wanted to... I laugh whenever I see her and my ex-friend at the makerspace thinking that she probably is doing that for him.
12:18 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: I think you dodged a bullet there
12:18 <@klixa> oddball: ecigs are vapor...cigarettes are smoke
12:19 <@shapr> Corydon76-work: about 60% of the people I've told about my divorce have said that.
12:19 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: it's still being addicted to nicotine
12:19 <@klixa> eciga scare me...i never wanted to try them....was worried one might malfucntion and id get the entire nicotine content at once and die
12:19 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i know its still being addicted to nicotine...that wasnt what i was talking about
12:19 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: Uh, physics makes that entirely unlikely
12:20 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: sometimes i have a lot of anxiety anout things that could never happen
12:20 <@shapr> Like, becoming president of the US?
12:20 <@klixa> sometimes i scream while on ferris wheels
12:20 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: The sun could go supernova and engulf the earth in flames, and you'd be instantaneously vaporized
12:20 <@shapr> I know how to do that too.
12:20 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: yes, yes it could
12:21 <@shapr> I figured it out recently in a fit of divorce anger.
12:21 <@shapr> But I'd need about 500 million dollars to blow up the sun.
12:21 <@oddball> klixa: vapor disapates quickly... I've witnessed clouds hang in the air for a while.
12:21 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: In fact, it may have already gone supernova, and it would take 8 minutes before the flames would reach the earth
12:21 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: people have hacked your webcam and are spying on you :|
12:22 <@klixa> but...its ok...we'll all be dead in 7 minutes and 39 seconds
12:22 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: They would die of boredom
12:22 <@klixa> i dunno, i thought it was retty damn exciting watching you type the letter d
12:22 <@klixa> err, i mean...yeah *they* prolly would
12:23 <@Corydon76-work> You can't see my keyboard on my webcam
12:23 <@klixa> oh? hmmm.... whose webcam did i hijack then
12:23 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: Besides, how much Linux do you know?
12:25 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i don't know how t answer that; i used to use gentoo...i did a stage 3 install not teh stage, so a lot was already done... and whenever stuff went wrong with any distro i have used i have been able to fix it... but i learn things as needed... i know basic command line stuff like "ls" , etc etc
12:26 <@klixa> plus i have used a ton of other distros... i know how to crack wep from command line
12:26 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: my webcam is attached to a Linux desktop
12:26 <@klixa> my webcam is covered in black tae
12:26 <@klixa> tape*
12:26 <@klixa> i dont like the idea of having a camera pointed at me...
12:29 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I also have the cam in a room where I don't dress or undress, so there's that.
12:47  * shapr bops cheerfully
12:47 <@shapr> mmm, code
12:48 <@shapr> Anyone here into type theory at all?
12:53 <@klixa> no
12:54 <@Wilpig> klixa: we had a neurotic twit in the noc that would unplug my camera and then turn it against the wall
12:55 <@klixa> Wilpig: lol... well, Im not so bad that i bother other people's cameras.... also... its a work cam...not like you are coming out of the shower and checking your email at work...
12:56 <@Wilpig> but I work from home, often. so....
12:57 <@klixa> i wouldnt mind working from home
12:59 <@klixa> Wilpig: what does your job entail? like, how do you spend a typical day?
13:00 <@Wilpig> there is a good bit of watching tv.
13:01 <@klixa> i totally great at watching tv...
13:01 <@Wilpig> right now i'm eating this wrap and drinking an angry orchard
13:01 <@klixa> i am*
13:01 <@klixa> i will have to get better at drinking
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13:10 <@SuMo_D> hello all
13:14 <@Wilpig> well SuMo_D just lost the quiet game
13:15  * SuMo_D blows some stuff up
13:15 <@SuMo_D> yea anti-quiet
13:21 <@Corydon76-work> Quiet is what happens after you ban someone who made a lot of noise
13:21 <@Wilpig> that's what that is
13:22 <@Wilpig> I should probably take it off ignore now
13:22 <@oddball> I saw the kicking yesterday... didn't notice the banning.
13:24 <@SuMo_D> yeah... so I'm pissed this morning...... so you guys have heard me talk about our failed hacker space right?... well... the bank account was dissolved 3 months ago, the website and forum have also been down for 3 months, but the facebook + twitter + email was still up and this one dude...
13:24 <@SuMo_D> kept saying I'm going to do something I'm going to do something! Although they were all mouth but always late to every event and never cleaned up....
13:24 <@SuMo_D> so I get tired for getting random people contacting asking about the stupid group.... so I took down the facebook/social media thing about a month ago... and today....
13:25 <@SuMo_D> Who's taken down the facebook! from... said dude...
13:25 <@SuMo_D> Sometimes... you just want to shake people... very hard
13:25 <@Wilpig> SuMo_D: I call that days that end in y
13:25 <@oddball> Eh... just tell him "it's dead.  no space, no money, no activity.  It's fucking dead."
13:26 <@SuMo_D> he keeps wanting to do a "reboot"
13:26 <@SuMo_D> its been 6 fucking months
13:26 <@SuMo_D> I want to shake.... shake hard
13:26 <@oddball> Then hand it over to him, and tell him to have fun with that.
13:26 <@SuMo_D> he's pretty well connected in tech community here
13:26 <@SuMo_D> yeah... tried, but then he wouldn't respond for months
13:27 <@SuMo_D> and then he pops back up
13:27 <@SuMo_D> I donno... I just need to be like ARRRRGH stupid group dynamics and people with no social skills BLAH
13:28 <@SuMo_D> Im just going to ignore him
13:28 <@SuMo_D> he ignored every email and phone call about the bank account being shut down
13:28 <@SuMo_D> just irks me.... so much...
13:30 <@oddball> Well, now that everything is offline, he can set his own up using the same name.
13:30 <@SuMo_D> yep
13:30 <@SuMo_D> that's what I'm going to tell him if I see him in town
13:30 <@SuMo_D> like... just start over... new name
13:30 <@SuMo_D> forget it
13:31 <@SuMo_D> if it gets going I'll sign the stuff over to you - cause I still have all the mailing lists and all
13:31 <@SuMo_D> but he has to do something instead of just blowing smoke and disappearing
13:33 <@klixa> why cant somwone else just take over
13:34 <@SuMo_D> everyone has buried it at this point
13:36  * shapr hops quietly
13:37  * klixa sips her coffee
13:38 <@klixa> from ☆$
13:39 <@Wilpig> you just think you're so clever
13:40 <@shapr> ☹
13:40 <@klixa> 🌟💰 <--- Wilpig you on your mac?
13:41 <@klixa> ^that is clever :|
13:41 <@Wilpig> two question marks?
13:42 <@klixa> Wilpig: its a star and a bag of money
13:42 <@Wilpig> not in this fontset
13:42 <@klixa> Wilpig: i was using emjois
13:42 <@klixa> i guess irssi doesnt support
13:42 <@klixa> it
13:43 <@shapr> I see the boxes for "your font does not have this unicode char"
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13:46 < Synx|hm> Happy working 7 days a week for 2 months 65+ hour weeks not including weekends
13:46 < Synx|hm> yay
13:46 <@Mirage> klixa: irssiworked fine displaying that stuff for me
13:46 < Synx|hm> irssi here
13:46 <@Wilpig> you windows people and your fonts
13:46 < Synx|hm> (to jump in with no context)
13:47 < Synx|hm> though im on irssi in cygwin
13:47  * shapr throws frustration around the channel
13:47 <@shapr> Yay cygwin! That's the only thing that made Raytheon bearable.
13:48 <@Mirage> Synx|hm: too easy.. I'm tunneled through an openbsd host connected to a vpn to a centos box running irssi in a screen session.
13:49 <@klixa> Wilpig: im on a mac tho
13:49 <@klixa> i am getting a new one...dunno if i want retina 13 inch or air
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13:50 <@shapr> I'm looking at a nice $1k laptop from system76, any better pro-linux suggestions?
13:50 <@SuMo_D> the retina is hot
13:51 <@Mirage> Wilpig: at lunch i saw a white ford like yours with a dent on the pass side like the gold truck has and caught myself immediately wondering if NL had started in on making your white truck match the other
13:51 < Synx|hm> Mirage: ha nice
13:51 <@Wilpig> Mirage: I find no fault in that logic
13:51 <@Mirage> Synx|hm: The things I have to do to get around EMC's moronic firewall policies and access IRC at work.
13:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> shapr: hold on, there is a custom laptop that wasn't bad at all, let me find the link
13:51 <@klixa> SuMo_D: might not be so hot on 13 inch with no dedicated video tho
13:51 < Synx|hm> Anyone have an Intel NUC as a HTPC?
13:52 <@SuMo_D> hmmm yeah
13:52 <@Wilpig> nope
13:52 < Synx|hm> its time to ditch my Boxee
13:53 <@Wilpig> I've got a few mini-itx / pico-itx form factor machines and they've all run some form of media software at one time or another.
13:53 <@Wilpig> my pico-its was the most amusing outside the pi
13:53 < Synx|hm> ya, i just need something new to sit in front of the TV, and support raw bluray streaming
13:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/
13:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: ThinkPenguin.com | Penguin Laptops, Desktops, and Accessories with Linux & GNU Support (at www.thinkpenguin.com)
13:54 < Synx|hm> pi i dont think is going to cut it for 50Mbps streams
13:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> but just looking for that I found http://www.thelinuxlaptop.com/products_new.php also
13:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Linux Laptop - Customized Pre-Configured Linux Notebook Computers (at www.thelinuxlaptop.com)
13:54 < Synx|hm> also need live tv via my hd home run
13:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> shapr: if you are doing compilation, look for the intel 4th gen QM i7s
13:55 < Synx|hm> unfortunantly im thinking win8 with media center and XBMC combo for ease of use for the wife
13:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> 4 actual cores, 8threads
13:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> Synx|hm: the Ouya apparently is able to, but I haven't really looked into it
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13:57 <@klixak> if i didnt move all the time id just get an imac
13:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'd probably buy a cheap laptop w/HDMI and set that up if I really thought/cared about it
13:58 < Synx|hm> RangerZ|Laptop: that looks really interesting but i just need something that works right now haha, thats how i got into the same situation with the boxee, that fucking thing just cannot handle streaming at those bitrates it chokes on both NFS and Samba
13:59 < Synx|hm> RangerZ|Laptop: actually thats what im giong to test with today, ive got a customer that makes me use their own laptop for VPN access so its going to become my XBMC system as i use it about once a month now LOL
13:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> Synx|hm: I have one, I was an original backer, and I'm not upset with it, I bought it for a android 4+ box, that has HDMI out on it
14:00 < Synx|hm> i need netflix, amazon vod, live tv with good guide and prefer DVR, and high bitrate raw streaming support, and 3d would be nice for the future
14:00 < Synx|hm> my Mitsu DLP is getting tired
14:00 <@shapr> RangerZ|Laptop: the system76 laptop I like has 16gb of ram and a quad i7 with 6mb cache. I'll hceck out that link.
14:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> shapr: the one I just priced had the same for ~1100
14:01 <@Wilpig> Synx|hm: with that list you might as well ask for it to blwo you too
14:01 < Synx|hm> Wilpig: i know :(
14:01 < Synx|hm> Wilpig: hence why boxee was perfect at the onset, not is sucks
14:01 < Synx|hm> s/not/now
14:01 < RangerZ|Laptop>  i7-4700MQ, 16GB ddr3, 750 GB HDD
14:01 <@Wilpig> my wdtv does most of what you're asking
14:01 <@Wilpig> but most of the things you are gonna find are gonna do most of what you want
14:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> except PVR
14:02 < Synx|hm> i do not want to have to run plex to transcode etc on the fly, i want full file read support on a device and prefer non DLNA
14:02 <@shapr> RangerZ|Laptop: system76 has that for about $100 less, not sure about the MQ processor
14:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats kinda key actually
14:03 < Synx|hm> Wilpig: thats why i think im stuck with windows xmbc so i can get netflix too, at least i hope that works
14:03 <@Wilpig> wdtv does netflix, etc.  I think the only thing it doesn't do that you want is the raw bluray
14:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> Synx|hm: I kinda agree on the plex thing, its kinda cool, it even does subtitles, but It doesn't do them well
14:03 <@Mirage> Synx|hm: I don't have blueray on either one, but i've been using mini-itx systems running mythtv for several years and never had much issue.  The main thing I've had problematic that caused some HD playback problems was the video chipset getting too hot.
14:05 < Synx|hm> ya i dont want it to play discs, i have a 4u server that has a slim BR drive for ripping, i do really want GigE though for future
14:05 < Synx|hm> thats why im thiking i5 NUC with HD5000
14:05 < Synx|hm> at least i think the i5 has HD5000
14:06 <@Wilpig> Synx|hm: I have one of these and it works well.  http://www.zotac.com/products/mini-pcs/zbox-nano-series/product/zbox-nano-series/detail/zbox-nano-aq01.html
14:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> shapr: It 'is' key, if you are running the stuff I'm running, like large scale network simulations, or doing video encoding, or some other CPU intensive task
14:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c all of these laptops comes with only intel GPUs, as far as I can tell, so they won't be doing gaming other than some basic stuff
14:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> otherwise I might suggest a faster i5 dual core, if you don't multi-task much, or whatever, (basically target your use case, etc)
14:10 <@Wilpig> damn these newer zotacs have i7s now.  http://www.zotac.com/products/mini-pcs/zbox-nano-series/product/zbox-nano-series/detail/zbox-nano-id69/sort/starttime/order/DESC/amount/10/section/specifications.html
14:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> ugh.. thats the only thing I hate about finch, long URLs suck without the tinyurl plugin
14:10 <@Wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: normally GateKeeper is shortening them
14:10  * Wilpig kicks GateKeeper in the dick
14:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
14:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> in _this_ channel
14:11 <@Wilpig> WTF newegg?  just wtf?  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA3M11AZ4533&Tpk=ID69
14:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://tinyurl.com/krd6sge  incase anyone cares, lol
14:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... newegg is starting to jump many a shark
14:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> they sell high end jewelry all the time too, I ended up stopping their daily email stuff, b/c it was more often than not watches
14:13 <@Wilpig> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/zotac-zbox-nano-haswell-intel,25851.html
14:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Zotac Updates ZBOX Nano with Haswell (at www.tomshardware.com)
14:13 <@Wilpig> can't find anyone selling them yet
14:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> and getting "poor eyes" at all the stuff I wanted to buy also made me a little sad, lol
14:15 <@Wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: i think you know what you need to do.  go wait at the corner of church and gay
14:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, didn't work, they thought I was a cop
14:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> though when I was 17, I did go around with the cops and buy cigarettes from stores in town
14:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> sucks that the teller at walmart got fired, they have a 0 tollerance policy on that there, b/c tobacco makes them so much money, that they don't want to lose the right to sell it at every location
14:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I wasn't the one who went into that store, lol
14:22 <@shapr> RangerZ|Laptop: I don't care about gaming, but I do care about a bunch of ram and heavy number crunching ability.
14:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> then you want QM/MQ 3rd of (4th if you can find it)
14:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> or*
14:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> first # of intel's tell the gen #, other than that, I dunno offhand
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14:43 <@oddball> damn... the hard drive for my router box is officially dead.
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15:15 <@eryc> Wilpig: thats from their "marketplace"
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15:16 <@eryc> appears be a chinese company as well
15:16 <@eryc> thus the bad product description
15:22 <@Wilpig> eryc: chinese or not. I want one
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15:24 <@eryc> you want an 8cm brass sink vessel?
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15:28 <@Wilpig> no
15:28 <@Wilpig> that was newegg being retarded selling plumbing accessories
15:28 <@Wilpig> I searched for zotac id69
15:28 <@Wilpig> and it gave me plumbing shit
15:33 <@SuMo_D> Damn it VNV nation is passing through Nashville
15:33 <@SuMo_D> and I won't be there
15:33 <@SuMo_D> you guys who are there should go... man I want to see them live....
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15:40 <@Bahhumbug> Such a nice place now that the resident lunatic is gone.
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15:44 <@Dickie> You people love having enemies
15:45  * Wilpig hands out pitchforks and torches
15:46 <@klixa> Dickie: what did i miss
15:47  * Wilpig covers dickie in tar
15:47  * Dickie suffocates
15:48 <@Bahhumbug> No one brought the feathers?
15:49 <@Wilpig> chicken shortage?
15:49  * oddball dumps the bag of feathers on Bahhumbug 
15:50 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: I'm curious if she's going to show up to the meeting Friday.
15:50 <@Bahhumbug> TRO
15:51 <@Bahhumbug> Good for the lulz.
15:51 <@Wilpig> sure. as long as her ride takes her
15:51 <@shapr> Who's the resident lunatic?
15:51 <@Bahhumbug> She's made threatening comments about people that will be at the meeting - should be groups for an immediate TRO.
15:51 <@shapr> Bahhumbug: I'M BACK NOW, STOP CALLING ME THAT!
15:51 <@Bahhumbug> Err, s/groups/grounds/
15:51  * Bahhumbug goes back to work since I obviously can't multitask for shit.
15:51 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: TRO?
15:51 <@Bahhumbug> Temporary Restraining Order
15:51 <@oddball> ah
15:52 <@oddball> shapr: Anarchival
15:52 <@shapr> oh
15:52 <@oddball> I missed the actual threats.
15:52 <@Wilpig> tro = notlarry is interested in dating
15:53 <@eryc> please to be quoting threats kthx
15:53 <@eryc> why is someone resetting my twitch.tv password
15:53 <@Wilpig> cause i was about to broadcast
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15:57 <@Wilpig> did crazy make actual threats?  or just acuse other people of making them?
15:57 <@Wilpig> accuse* ?
15:58 <@oddball> Maybe Bahhumbug is trying to find them?
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15:59 <@Wilpig> like he's put that much effort into silliness
15:59 <@Mirage> A coworker just finally replied to an earlier conversation we were having..80 minutes later "ahhh network connectivity
15:59 <@oddball> heh
15:59 <@Mirage> I replied back with "That's some serious latency"
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16:05 <@klixa> i love sweet potatoes
16:05 <@Wilpig> klixa: you're making me want to go out for a steak now
16:05 <@Mirage> Doing some required training in order to gain access to a new client's ticketing system.  I keep missing blatantly obvious questions for some odd reason.  Case in point, "Under no circumstances should you enter personally identifiable or personal health information into a problem record."   The answer is obvious, right...??
16:06 <@klixa> Wilpig: mmm...steak with a baked sweet potatoe
16:06 <@Mirage> According to them, the correct answer is "False".
16:08 <@Wilpig> Mirage: I think you might be in for a deposition in the near future
16:09 <@Mirage> Wilpig: I think I'll continue to answer those questions "incorrectly"
16:11 <@Mirage> klixa: I'll take the steak..you can keep the sweet potato
16:11 <@klixa> :/
16:13 <@Mirage> klixa: btw..thanks...now i'm craving steak.  gonna have to stop by kroger on the way home.   too cold to grill, so I'm thinking pan-seared w/ garlic butter
16:14 <@klixa> they taste pretty good on a george foreman type grill
16:14 <@shapr> mmm, capybara
16:14 <@shapr> I want capybara rinds.
16:15 <@klixa> i need to grill when the rain goes away
16:17 <@Mirage> Wilpig: I haven't used it yet, but from the looks of the training, BMC Rememdy isn't any better than BMC Magic
16:17 <@Mirage> er, Remedy
16:18 <@klixa> shapr: why do you wanna eat a capybara
16:19 <@shapr> because I haven't yet
16:19 <@klixa> ...k
16:19 <@shapr> I haven't eaten a kakapo either, but I want one for a pet.
16:19 <@shapr> There are several animals I haven't eaten yet.
16:24 <@Wilpig> I want to eat a koala
16:24 <@Wilpig> they just look so cute they have to taste good
16:25 <@shapr> I bet they taste like cough drops.
16:27 <@oddball> I've been told by a friend of mine that lives down there that koalas are "vicious little fucks."
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16:34 <@Corydon76-work> Well, they are bears, aren't they?  Going to be pretty gamey meat.
16:35 <@Corydon76-work> Probably will be nice & chewy, just like housecat meat.
16:38 <@Wilpig> housecats are not for eating
16:38 <@Wilpig> certain houseplants, however, are
16:39 <@northrup> Whoa, Mirage are you rolling out BMC?
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16:49 <@Wilpig> wtf?  this asshole I work with has never seen nor heard of weird science
16:50 <@northrup> Have they lived under a rock?
16:50 <@northrup> well.. how old are they?
16:50 <@Wilpig> 25
16:51 <@shapr> so... too young
16:51 <@northrup> yeah
16:51 <@Wilpig> but... it's a classic.  especially for a tech type
16:51 <@klixa> we're old
16:51 <@klixa> hahahah
16:51 <@Wilpig> you're old
16:51 <@oddball> Has he at least seen Real Genius?
16:51 <@klixa> Wilpig: no you
16:52 <@klixa> oddball: thats even older
16:52 <@oddball> Wargames?
16:52 <@northrup> Sneakers?
16:52 <@northrup> Hackers?
16:52 <@klixa> oddball: how old are you
16:52 <@Wilpig> 'how about "Real Genius"  or "Wargames" ?'
16:52 <@klixa> hackers is new
16:52 <@oddball> klixa: Does. Not. Matter.
16:52 <@klixa> oddball: ok.fine.be.that.way
16:52 <@oddball> :)
16:52 <@northrup> Hackers was released in 95, 25 means he was born in 89... so probably didn't catch Hackers either
16:53 <@klixa> my little brother was born in 91 and wtached hackers ith me
16:53 <@klixa> with*
16:53 <@Wilpig> was it xkcd that had a hacker reference?
16:53 <@Wilpig> today
16:53 <@northrup> Yep
16:53 <@oddball> klixa: I'm 34, but those movies are required watching for computer geeks.
16:54 <@klixa> oddball: i turned 35 in jan
16:55 <@klixa> i have seen all those movies and then some
16:55 <@oddball> Well, yes.
16:57 <@shapr> I turned 42 the day after my wife told me she never wanted to see me again.
16:57 <@shapr> Not my favorite birthday.
16:58 <@klixa> breaking up sux
16:58 <@klixa> what maes it suck more...is realising they never really liked you anyway
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17:00 <@oddball> shapr: Yeah... I can see that being a rather sucky birthday present.
17:01 <@klixa> always date attractive people tho...then the baby will be pretty
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17:01 < aestetix> heh
17:02 < aestetix> one of my friends actually left divorce papers under the christmas tree for her husband
17:02 < aestetix> that did not end well
17:02 <@klixa> thats cold
17:02 <@opticron> my fiance got water flowing from the ceiling for her birthday (upstairs neighbors had a pipe burst)
17:03 <@opticron> and 3 long days of industrial dehydrating equipment running nonstop
17:09 < aestetix> ok so
17:09 <@Corydon76-work> opticron: Wow, that's unbelievable
17:09 < aestetix> my friend just said "hey my company is hiring"
17:09 < aestetix> followed by "btw I got a new job at a different company"
17:09 <@Corydon76-work> opticron: you have a fiance?
17:10 <@opticron> lol
17:10 <@opticron> yes
17:10 < aestetix> this does not sound like a winning combination
17:10 <@Corydon76-work> opticron: You know a single E means male, right?
17:10 <@opticron> nope
17:10 <@Corydon76-work> fiancee is a female
17:10 <@opticron> *fiancee
17:11 <@Corydon76-work> opticron: but hey, congrats on coming out of the closet
17:11 <@Corydon76-work> and finding that one guy
17:11 <@opticron> thanks!
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17:15 <@klixa> hmm
17:15 <@klixa> i never knew that
17:16 < aestetix> opticron: wow great
17:16 < aestetix> it's ok to be gay
17:17 <@opticron> It's OK to be Takei.
17:17  * opticron adds ""
17:18 < aestetix> hahah
17:21 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: Spelling ftw
17:21 < aestetix> https://rightscon.org/
17:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: RightsCon 2014 | HOME (at rightscon.org)
17:21 < aestetix> livestreaming
17:25 <@rattle> aestetix: So like, I never saw you.
17:25 < aestetix> rattle: so I heard
17:25 <@rattle> Tuesday night I was trying to get you a pass to one of the parties through Tom.
17:25 < aestetix> But I did see Andrea
17:26 < aestetix> heh
17:26 <@rattle> She's still out there.
17:26 < aestetix> RSA week was a clusterfuck
17:26 <@rattle> Totally.
17:26 <@rattle> I was sooo fucking busy.
17:26 <@rattle> I barely got away from the general area of the conference, which kinda sucked.
17:26 < aestetix> what was I doing on tuesday
17:26 < aestetix> I can't even remember
17:27 < aestetix> That might have been the night I just collapsed
17:27 <@rattle> I caught a burrito in the Mission and dinner in North Beach one night.  Aside from that, i was always in the general area of the conference..  Which kinda sucked.
17:32 < aestetix> rattle: but yeah. I went to a bit of trustycon, that's it
17:32 < aestetix> and besides
17:32 < aestetix> I had three rather major complex situations to deal with last week besides RSA :p
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17:37 <@rattle> I wasn't able to make it to TrustyCon or B-Sides.
17:40 < aestetix> I didn't actually go into trustycon
17:40 < aestetix> I got there and andrea came out, so we went and had lunch
17:40 < aestetix> then I went back, and right as I got there, my friend naomi came out
17:40 < aestetix> so we went and had lunch again
17:47 <@Wilpig> do any one of you for whatever reason, not judging, have a link or a copy of the fcc regs regarding telemarketing?
17:50 <@oddball> Got a telemarketer pestering you?
17:50 <@Wilpig> yup
17:51 <@Wilpig> and I know who they got the info from so i'm hitting this from both sides
17:51 <@Wilpig> call me and offer extended warranties on my parents vehicles...  calling my cell phone... bitch, please.  I know the only company that had my cell tied to those vehicles
17:52 <@oddball> Well, they're allowed to contact you if there's a pre-existing business transacition... but, if you specifically tell them to take you off the list and not call you again...
17:52 <@Wilpig> I did that five days and 6 more phone calls ago
17:52 <@oddball> Ah.  Then yes.  Report their asses.
17:52 <@Wilpig> considering my business relationship was with SiriusXM and not some company trying ot sell me a car warranty this is another issue outright
17:53 <@oddball> I'm not sure you can get SiriusXM for selling their customer list.
17:53 <@Wilpig> No but I can call and yell and bitch until they credit me service for doing this shifty shit
17:53 <@Wilpig> I got them dead to rights on this one
17:55  * Bahhumbug burps
17:59  * NotLarry puts it back in my pants.
18:08 <@Wilpig> http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0198-telemarketing-sales-rule
18:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Telemarketing Sales Rule | Consumer Information (at www.consumer.ftc.gov)
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19:39 < aestetix> hmmmm
19:39 < aestetix> I need to find my phreaknic 2011 talk
19:39 <@Wilpig> sec
19:40 <@klixa> aestetix: is it a video
19:40 <@Wilpig> http://phreaknic.info/Videos/Phreaknic%2015/2011-11-4%20-%20PhreakNIC15%20-%20003%20-%20Aestetix%20-%20Exploring%20identity%20through%20social%20networking.avi
19:41 <@Wilpig> ask and pig will provide
19:41 <@klixa> Wilpig: i wanna see videos of everyone
19:41 < aestetix> well
19:41 < aestetix> the keynote
19:41 < aestetix> I think it's on my laptop
19:41 < aestetix> I have some quotes in that slideshow that are going to be relevant tomorrow
19:41 <@Wilpig> http://phreaknic.info/Videos/
19:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Index of /Videos (at phreaknic.info)
19:41 < aestetix> Facebook and Google just tried to claim they support anonymity at RightsCon
19:41 < aestetix> I have quotes in that talk that disprove that
19:41 <@Wilpig> the not so secret master archives of PN video
19:43 < aestetix> woot found it
19:43 < aestetix> lol
19:44 <@klixa> aestetix: is your NYC talk tomorrow?
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19:45 < aestetix> no
19:45 < aestetix> My rightscon talk is
19:45 < aestetix> in SF
19:48 <@klixa> ok
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19:54 <@Wilpig> you know... this could easily be "hey dickie"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSfnopkT37I
19:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Toni Basil - Mickey (Directors Cut) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:58 <@klixa> facebook is kinda a tragic thing
19:58 <@klixa> someone i know is posting stuff about their life going to hell... like one example they posted a vi and said "this is my life now" and people click the like button...im not even sure anyone watched the vid or read the lyrics
19:59 <@klixa> but people... they use it to reach out..and no one cares... well thats just one use anyway
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19:59  * klixa is fascinated by the pscyhoclogical impact of technology
19:59 <@klixa> vi=video
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20:37 <@oddball> Well, damn... I have a deep desire for chilli cheese fries, but my car is frozen solid under about an inch of ice.
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20:45 <@Shadow404> oddball: at least they will stil be good, if not frozen right now
20:46 <@Shadow404> on the upside, i got my first oppurtunity to test out the rain barrel system today with this mornings rain shower
20:46 <@Shadow404> now i just need a pump for the irrigation system to use the rain barrel
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20:58 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpXJhDFHi9M lol
20:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bravely Default: Unlock the Bravely Second Trailer Using the Konami Code! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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21:19 < aestetix> vagina
21:22 <@Wilpig> okay. send it on over
21:23 <@shapr> yes please
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21:26 <@RangerZ> http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/03/03/1944251/the-next-keurig-will-make-your-coffee-with-a-dash-of-drm
21:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Next Keurig Will Make Your Coffee With a Dash of "DRM" - Slashdot (at news.slashdot.org)
21:26 <@RangerZ> wow.... thats some fucked up bullshit
21:28 < aestetix> so
21:28 < aestetix> as I said in another channel
21:28 < aestetix> I'm happy I got to visit moscow last year
21:28 < aestetix> because right now I'm unsure if I'll ever get the chance to go again
21:29 <@shapr> I would like to have some attention from a single female.
21:33 <@RangerZ> aestetix: my research partner is from outside moscow
21:34 <@RangerZ> she was pissed about how the media was depicting russia at the olympics
21:35 <@RangerZ> I'm going to have to find out her opinion on all this
21:35 < aestetix> I would love to hear
21:35 < aestetix> The one thing I know
21:35 < aestetix> Is that I don't know nearly enough about Russian history to undersatnd what's going on
21:35 < aestetix> I'm slowly making up for that
21:36 < aestetix> The actual issue though
21:36 < aestetix> Is that Obama also clearly doesn't know enough about Russian history
21:36 <@RangerZ> http://www.amazon.com/A-History-Russia-Nicholas-Riasanovsky/dp/019534197X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393900572&sr=8-1&keywords=a+history+of+russia
21:37 <@RangerZ> thats the book we used when I studied it
21:37 <@RangerZ> very good in the 'cause/effect' way I taught to think about history
21:37 < aestetix> well
21:37 < aestetix> In particular I'm interested in Kiev
21:37 < aestetix> Because it is *really* important to Russian history
21:37 <@RangerZ> is actually _not_ a dry read, which is rare for a text book
21:38 <@RangerZ> kiev _is_ russia, in like 75% of the ways possible
21:38 < aestetix> right
21:38 < aestetix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus
21:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Kievan Rus' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
21:40 <@RangerZ> so horses, cows, sheep and... I _think_ goats are all native originally to Ukraine
21:41 <@RangerZ> which is (if you read http://books.google.com/books?id=PWnWRFEGoeUC&dq=guns+germs+steel&source=gbs_navlinks_s ) one of the reasons why eurasians pretty much control the world now
21:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies - Jared Diamond - Google Books (at books.google.com)
21:41 <@RangerZ> eurasians*
21:42 <@RangerZ> cause imagine africans' mounted calvary before WWI, if they could ride cheetah , rhino, or hippos
21:42 <@RangerZ> lol
21:46 < aestetix> RangerZ: yep yep
21:46 <@RangerZ> giraffes would have been great for scouting too
21:46 <@RangerZ> great height ;)
21:46 <@RangerZ> lol
22:03 <@oddball> RangerZ: I approve of two of the three things in that title.
22:03 <@RangerZ> germs and steel?
22:03 <@RangerZ> you'd make a great surgeon
22:04 <@oddball> no... germs are nasty little buggers.
22:04 <@RangerZ> lol
22:07 <@oddball> And it's "mounted cavalry" unless you're talking about riding the hill that Jesus died on. :p
22:08 <@oddball> (one of my dad's pet peeves.... so it's been drilled into my head)
22:10 <@RangerZ> lol
22:10 <@RangerZ> actually I wasn't aware I was saying it wrong in my head when pronouncing it, but I 'say' it properly
22:10 <@RangerZ> which is odd
22:11 <@RangerZ> ohh and don't pretend he was a real figure, sheesh
22:11 <@RangerZ> ;)
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22:12 <@RangerZ> smart move RangerZ|Laptop, flee when klixa arrives
22:12 <@RangerZ> hehe
22:12 <@klixa> i will hunt him down
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22:22 <@oddball> RangerZ: My dad used to scream at the TV when commercials for U.S. Cavalry (a milsurp store near Ft. Cambell) would come on.  The commercial's announcer would end with "come to U.S. Caaaaaallllllvary!"
22:22 <@RangerZ> hehe
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22:37 <@RangerZ> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/03/03/2319218/government-accuses-sprint-of-overcharging-for-wiretapping-expenses first cell phone carrier over charging news I'm not upset to hear about
22:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Government Accuses Sprint of Overcharging For Wiretapping Expenses - Slashdot (at yro.slashdot.org)
22:37 <@RangerZ> lol
22:40 < aestetix> and done
22:40 < aestetix> oakland city hall is gonna have a field day
22:40 < aestetix> all the founding fathers will be joining us
22:48 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: They're going to dig them up?
22:48 <@SuMo_D> ha that's awesome
22:49 < aestetix> well
22:49 < aestetix> All the founding fathers have signed up to speak
22:49 < aestetix> so the city clerk will be calling their names
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23:39 <@RangerZ> If I was a billionaire I would hire people to be dressed up as them
23:39 <@RangerZ> to show up
23:39 <@RangerZ> and say "nope, thats not me"
23:39 <@RangerZ> lol
23:45 < aestetix> the best part is
23:45 < aestetix> it's recorded
23:45 < aestetix> so I'll be able to have video recording of the city clerk reading off all the names
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23:47 <@SuMo_D> :)
23:47 <@SuMo_D> more awesome
23:48 <@SuMo_D> dude... I think I'm caught up with work... how did that happen
23:48 <@SuMo_D> this feels so goooood
23:48 <@SuMo_D> I even got some mockups done for some new products... and got to learn some more about processing... why are some days just so productive and others so aren't
23:49 <@shapr> SHAZAM!
23:49 <@SuMo_D> I did almost set myself on fire... maybe that's why... and yeah if you guys ever work with a laser cutter.... make sure you double check your settings EVERY TIME
23:49 <@shapr> SuMo_D: I want to lasercut my arm. Do you think that's safe?
23:50 <@SuMo_D> ha my friend who helped me calibrate it kept making that joke
23:50 <@SuMo_D> yeah... would say no
23:50 <@SuMo_D> all the danger radiation! signs = not great for skin
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