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00:59 < aestetix_> wow how am I still awake
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04:26 <@RangerZ> wow ... thats fucked
04:26 <@RangerZ> you close out chrome now
04:26 <@RangerZ> and it will re-open EVERY tab
04:27 <@RangerZ> yeah... I want all 30 tabs open from when i was googling something and leaving tabs open for possible future reference
04:27 <@RangerZ> thats why I closed that 'window'
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07:37 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:52 <@wilpig> no u
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08:12 <@Shadow404> ello
08:12  * wilpig punches Shadow404 
08:12 <@Shadow404> what?
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08:39 <@Shadow404> new pereodic element
08:39 <@Shadow404> http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhPCmOAIEAAvA9t.jpg
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08:52 < aestetix> wow
08:52 < aestetix> The japanese are insane
08:52 < aestetix> http://imgur.com/gallery/U6KDE
08:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Something I had to share with you all. - Imgur (at imgur.com)
08:54 <@wilpig> I will never understand them
08:56 <@Bahhumbug> I never want to.  If I understand them I am broken.
09:00 <@wilpig> I thought you were broken though?
09:01 <@wilpig> you are in here...
09:04 <@Bahhumbug> Point.
09:12 <@wilpig> how did someone get on a show called "king of the nerds" without knowing anything about star trek or starwars?
09:13 <@brimstone> you've met virgil right?
09:15 <@wilpig> i refuse to believe virgil has no knowledge of eithdr
09:27 <@GateKeeper> Announcement from my owner (jrd): Gatekeeper will be migrated to a new host later today so expect downtime.
09:29 <@wilpig> heh
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09:32 <@Shadow404> aestetix: thats funny, but bow i need another bath
09:47 <@shapr> Good morning random people!
10:00 <@Dickie> Hello stranger who I have never met before!
10:01 <@shapr> Dickie: Who are you?
10:04 <@Dickie> ¯\(°_o)/¯
10:08 <@Shadow404> ello random bytes
10:13  * brimstone beeps and chirps
10:14 <@opticron> brimstone is secretly a fax machine
10:19  * Shadow404 sends brimstone an atdt tone
10:20 <@shapr> +++    ATH0
10:20 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: Dickie is one of the rarest people in the South:  a straight guy so secure in his sexuality that he flirts with gay guys.
10:21 <@shapr> Wow, cool!
10:21 <@shapr> Wait, what does that mean if I've flirted with Dickie?
10:21  * shapr worries about his sexuality
10:21 <@brimstone> you're just lost and confused
10:21 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: or even has sex with them
10:21 <@Shadow404> heh  like most of the channel brimstone
10:21 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I seriously doubt he cheats on his wife
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10:26 <@wilpig> I've never denied being lost and or confused.  I am very often confused
10:27 <@Shadow404> im admittedly both, a continuous fog of confused and lost emotional states
10:27 <@Shadow404> and i dont even smoke anymore, well regularly
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10:32 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: do you think it's possible for a straight guy to be so secure in his sexuality that he can have sex with another guy?
10:32 <@Corydon76-work> I already know that that's true
10:32 <@Corydon76-work> See "Gay for Pay"
10:33 <@shapr> Why are definitions important? Why not do the things that you need or want?
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: because in America, and especially in the South, we have society-wide issues with the perception of our masculinity
10:35 <@wilpig> me prints out a label "shapr" and applies it to shapr's forehead
10:36 <@shapr> :-/
10:37 <@Corydon76-work> However, each successive generation seems to have less issues, so if the trend continues, we should be better in 150 years or less.
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10:37 <@shapr> Good morning klixa! How's life?
10:38 <@klixa> hey shapr... i have tonsilitus :/
10:38 <@wilpig> speaking of labels.  the radio is having too much fun with this.  http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10500657/nfl-expected-penalize-players-using-racial-slurs-games
10:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: NFL expected to penalize players for using racial slurs in games - ESPN (at espn.go.com)
10:38 <@klixa> but other than that, things are great ...i just got back from star$ with my peppermint frappucino
10:38 <@klixa> shapr: how are you
10:39 <@shapr> klixa: Aw, I'm sorry you have tonsillitis :-(
10:39 < NotLarry> ok, started this yesterday - http://i.imgur.com/1lyjJJN.jpg
10:40 <@shapr> I'm excited to be here! It's nice to have a degree and a job.
10:40 <@klixa> shapr: um, ok..lol ...where is "here" are you back hiome/at work?
10:40 < aestetix> hmm
10:40 < aestetix> registering for this conference to speak about nymrights
10:40 <@Corydon76-work> Florence, AL, I'd assume
10:40 < aestetix> they want a title
10:41 < aestetix> I think I'm a pontiff
10:41 <@shapr> Corydon76-work: HOW DID YOU KNOW? ARE YOU STALKING ME?
10:41 < NotLarry> shapr: silly question.
10:42 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: I remember Florence from yesterday.  I used to work for the same company that owns AWBC
10:42 <@shapr> Association of Women's Business Centers?
10:42 <@Corydon76-work> American Wholesale Book Company
10:42 <@shapr> ohh
10:42 < NotLarry> Wife is applying for the same job she left in Tuscaloosa.  Everyone cross your fingers.
10:42 <@Corydon76-work> also Treat Entertainment, TNT Fireworks, Anderson News...
10:42 <@shapr> klixa: Yes, I'm back at home/work here in scenic Florence Alabama.
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10:43 <@klixa> brb
10:43 <@shapr> I'm not a very exciting person to stalk.
10:43 <@shapr> Corydon76-work: Would it be more fun to stalk you?
10:43 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: I'm not a terribly exciting stalker
10:44 <@Corydon76-work> since most days, I don't even leave the house
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10:45 <@shapr> Do you get paid to stay at home?
10:45 <@Corydon76-work> I get paid to work from home
10:46 <@shapr> Wow that's nice. What do you get paid to do at home?
10:46 <@Corydon76-work> Programming
10:47 <@shapr> Oh, what do you program?
10:47 <@shapr> I do programming too!
10:47 <@Corydon76-work> Here, it's mostly PHP, with a smattering of Perl and several other scripting languages
10:52 <@Corydon76-work> But yeah, it's great.  Two hours into the work day, and I'm still wearing my bathrobe
10:52 <@Corydon76-work> wilpig: Now try getting that image out of your head.
10:52 <@shapr> I was self-employed for awhile, but I got tired of it. After five years or so I wanted to be back in a real office with actual humans.
10:53 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, I'm getting paid salary
10:53 <@Corydon76-work> and I do occasionally venture into the office.  I have a coordination meeting next month sometime
10:56 <@wilpig> Corydon76-work: I was having a good day too.  thanks.  
10:56 <@shapr> ha
10:57 <@shapr> I'm writing Python for a Django website here, but I want to add some websites written in Haskell into the mix.
10:57 <@shapr> I think I'll use scotty, it's a nice simple framework for building websites in Haskell.
11:03 <@Shadow404> yick, i hate being in the office
11:04 <@Shadow404> give me laptop and vpn, and productivity will be even higher at home
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11:07 <@shapr> I do like focus time, but I also get lots of benefit from the speedy communication I get in person.
11:08 <@Shadow404> meh, my job is pretty autonomous
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12:00 <@Dickie> OH GOD
12:01 <@shapr> WHAT?
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12:18 <@klixa> i suck at focusing... :/
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12:23  * shapr hugs klixa with much focus
12:23 <@shapr> klixa: So, you showing up? ;-)
12:24 <@shapr> Have you seriously not ever been employed?
12:30 <@klixa> showing up where?
12:30  * shapr grins
12:30 <@shapr> <klixa> [18:42:05] shapr: ok, that answer is acceptable...where do you live and when should i show up
12:31 <@shapr> Remember the bribe of a free latte?
12:32 <@klixa> shapr: i have been emplyed...but not a *real* job; ie. once I worked at Papa Johns...um... i worked at Dell for like 2 weeks; i repair comuters but not often enough to make money off it
12:32 <@klixa> dell was the closest to a real job...but it was through a temo agency rather than direct
12:32 <@klixa> a free latte does not make a 3000+ trip worthwhile , lol
12:32 <@shapr> well, ok then
12:32 <@shapr> It was worth trying.
12:33 <@shapr> I've had a bunch of interesting jobs: http://www.scannedinavian.com/~shae/ShaeErissonResume.pdf
12:33 <@shapr> I need to update that..
12:33 <@klixa> shapr: google summer of code? where was that at
12:33 <@klixa> were you in mountain view?
12:34 <@shapr> I was at home on my couch, writing Haskell code.
12:34 <@shapr> I wrote something nifty: http://ghclive.wordpress.com/
12:34 <@klixa> what about the German place? were you in Deutschland?
12:34 <@shapr> Nah, I lived two years in Tornio, Finland and five years in Sweden.
12:35 <@shapr> Most of those five years were in Boden, Sweden... the center of Sweden's military might.
12:35 <@shapr> It was not a large town.
12:35 <@klixa> i have lived in Germany
12:35 <@shapr> I spent a much smaller chunk living in Stockholm.
12:35 <@klixa> in Obertshausen (near frnkfurt) and then Wiesbaden later (also near frankfurt)
12:35 <@shapr> Where did you live in Germany?
12:35 <@shapr> ooh, neat!
12:36 <@klixa> that reminds me...i need to get a german passport..there is a german consulate in frisco
12:36 <@klixa> im a dual citizen, but i have never claimed it or whatever i have to do
12:36 <@shapr> You have citizenship? I missed out on Swedish citizenship by just a few months :-(
12:36 <@klixa> my father was a german citizen...he lived here on a green card
12:37 <@klixa> blah blah in sanguis law blah blah
12:37 <@klixa> shapr: sweden gives citizenship if you live there a certain amount of time?
12:37 <@shapr> Yup
12:39 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: US pretty much does, too, as long as you enter the country legally
12:39 <@klixa> ok
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12:47 <@shapr> klixa: So what do you do with your time these days?
12:47 <@klixa> take care of a baby
12:48 <@klixa> talk on irc
12:48 <@klixa> um... just recently drove form texas to california
12:48 <@shapr> Oh, that's fun
12:48 <@shapr> I've driven from Birmingham to Seattle and back, same for Birmingham to Boston and back.
12:49 <@klixa> i have crossed this country almost as mnay times as a truck driver
12:49 <@klixa> id say at least 25 times
12:49 <@shapr> impressive, I've mostly driven in the Southeast USA.
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12:50 <@klixa> oddly enough i have only been to the southeast once... well other than tennessee which is where i am from
12:50 <@klixa> well i have been to huntsville a bunch..cause of teh NASA filed trip every year in elemtary school
12:50 <@shapr> I mostly grew up in the Southeast.
12:50 <@Dickie> "grew up"
12:51 <@brimstone> if you order "tea" and it arrives sweet, you're in the south
12:51 <@shapr> Dickie: You saying I'm not grown up yet?
12:51 <@shapr> brimstone: Yeah, I call it the sweet tea ring.
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12:53 <@shapr> Dickie: Are you grown up?
12:54 <@shapr> klixa: What are you trying to focus on?
12:54  * shapr tactlessly distracts klixa 
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12:56 < aestetix> vagina
12:59 <@wilpig> brimstone: what if you order tea and it shows up as coke?
13:00 <@brimstone> you're probably in atlanta
13:00 <@brimstone> (that joke works two ways)
13:05 <@Dickie> like a bisexual
13:05 <@wilpig> jesus.  these guys up here talking about getting more pipe into here.  90GB/s
13:05 <@Dickie> shapr: No. Never meant to suggest that.
13:05 <@Dickie> ...to the latter question
13:06 <@brimstone> wilpig: only?
13:08 <@wilpig> brimstone: only
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13:14 <@Shadow404> wilpig brimstone: only?
13:15 <@brimstone> Shadow404: wilpig: brimstone: only?
13:15 <@wilpig> Dolemite: Shadow404: wilpig: brimstone: only?
13:26 < aestetix> testicle
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13:35 <@wilpig> I'm the only white guy in the room and i'm being referred to as "the white guy"  I feel like I am being discriminated against!
13:36 <@klixa> dafuq is going on with freenode today
13:36 <@Shadow404> hr time
13:36 <@klixa> only white guy in what room?
13:37 <@brimstone> why's it got to be a room?
13:37 <@brimstone> why can't it be a meeting area?
13:37 <@wilpig> brimstone: would you feel better about office instead of room?
13:38 <@Dagmar> It could even be a "booth"
13:38 <@shapr> anarchival: I have assured everyone that I am not your zombie servant, just as you instructed me.
13:38 <@Dagmar> wilpig: In their defense they're at least not calling you 'that ginger kid'
13:40 <@klixa> shapr: you met her , you are now tainted
13:40 <@Dagmar> "What do we need to fix it?"
13:40 <@shapr> klixa: have you met anarchival ?
13:40 <@klixa> shapr: no
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13:41 <@shapr> Ok, you're safe! Don't become her zombie servant! It's, uh, wonderful!
13:41 <@wilpig> Dagmar: this is a bit large to be a "booth"  https://www.dropbox.com/s/lq37ddioh2kqu1y/tumblroffice-after%283%29.jpg
13:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - tumblroffice-after(3).jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
13:41 <@Dagmar> My answer: ABout a foot and a half of leather strap, a couple of rusty knives, a chain-link cage, and a discrete location"
13:42 <@Shadow404> sounds like my sorta party Dagmar
13:43 <@klixa> so shapr...i noticed you got your bachelors last year... what ade you go back to college this late? also...did you have to start frm the beginning or did you start earier and jsut not finish
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13:44 <@Dickie> I still got my glock cocked
13:44 <@wilpig> Dickie: put your glock away. nobody wants to see that.  
13:44 <@Corydon76-work> But is your cock glocked?
13:45 <@Dickie> I was trying out a new catch-phrase.
13:45 <@Dickie> brimstone: please advise
13:45 <@shapr> klixa: I wanted a degree, and I wanted to set myself a mid-term (3-4 years) goal and prove to myself that I could complete such a multi-year goal.
13:45 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: my multi-year goal is getting out of Chapter 13 bankruptcy
13:45 <@shapr> klixa: I was still able to apply my college credits I got in the early 90s, but it didn't help much, I changed majors often then.
13:46 <@Corydon76-work> It's far cheaper than a college education
13:46 <@shapr> That's a good goal.
13:46 <@Corydon76-work> 16 months or so to go
13:46 <@brimstone> Dickie: it's early to tell, but that phrase is not scoring well with the focus group. I'm asking about getting a different focus group
13:46 <@klixa> shapr: i dropped out of college...been considering going back..i changed mahors a few times... from german (ok that was more of clerical error) to photography to physics
13:47 <@shapr> I went from health physics to art to computer art to ... I forget what else.
13:47 <@shapr> When I went back in 2010 I started out pure CS and switched to interdisciplinary studies to get more management, psychology, economics, logic and math.
13:48 <@Dagmar> Oh dear lord not safe for work but hilarious http://imgur.com/r/funny/XKEon
13:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Pretty sure is racist - Imgur (at imgur.com)
13:49 <@klixa> i dunno what i would major in if i went back...and it would only be to get a jb... for learning purposes i just read stuff, etc
13:49 <@shapr> I had no trouble getting a job without a degree, I just wanted the degree for myself.
13:49 <@klixa> since when is cereal not safe for work? lol
13:49 <@shapr> So I bailed out of my defense consulting job and went back to college!
13:49 <@shapr> klixa: if you can code and deal with people, you can always get a job
13:50 <@klixa> i cant deal with people nor can i code
13:50 <@klixa> :(
13:50 <@klixa> im horrible with both
13:50 <@shapr> Oh, that's rough.
13:50 <@Dagmar> klixa: Did you look at what the cereal was called?
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13:51 <@klixa> i need to invent a new emoticon especially for when i talk to dagmar
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13:51 <@klixa> the emoticon would mean "im deliberaltly ignoring the obvious"
13:51 < NotLarry> Damn, Tom Sawicki died Saturday.
13:52 <@klixa> theres another picture out there like that that says Levis...but it looks like Penis
13:52 <@klixa> cause of the font
13:52 <@Dagmar> klixa: It's not the racism that's funny.  It's the *completely oblivious* marketing department that decided to name their generic cereal that.
13:52 <@klixa> Dagmar: it says nuggets
13:53 <@klixa> the angle of the bag just makes it look like that other word
13:53 <@klixa> same phenomena here http://i.imgur.com/KG39QgX.jpg it looks like penis but says levis
13:53 <@Dagmar> Like I said, oblivious marketing department
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13:56 <@Dagmar> THey're specifically responsible for how a product looks, at _any angle_
13:56 <@klixa> hmmm
13:57 <@Dagmar> I can pretty much promise you someone at Willy Wonka was held responsible for their ill-advised product launch in the 80's of chocolate covered raisins that were called 'Dingleberries'
13:58 <@Dagmar> THey were recalled after about a week'
13:58 <@klixa> that is a bad name
13:58 <@klixa> baaaaad name
14:00 <@Dagmar> ...and there it was on the shelf at the grocery store, making me and my neighbor question our sanity
14:00 <@klixa> lol
14:00 <@Dagmar> Mike was all "Hey, there's a new... candy... from Willy Wonka... umm..."
14:00 <@Dagmar> Just staring at the shelf
14:00 <@klixa> never question your own sanity...its alwyas *their* sanity that is in question
14:01 <@Dagmar> Well, as little kids we thought SURELY someone should have known better
14:02 <@klixa> thats a good point...and i am gonna make sure to let ny child know adults dont know better always
14:03 <@klixa> i think i was 12 the first time i realised i could tell an adult to fuck off
14:03 <@Dagmar> Some adults just live very sheltered lives
14:03 <@shapr> Wait, I can tell adults to fuck off?!
14:03 <@Dagmar> Buy a leather jacket
14:04 <@klixa> shapr: yes!!
14:04 <@Dagmar> Then adults think twice about saying _anything_ that could result in you telling them to fuck off.
14:04 <@Dagmar> When I get the walk signal outside the office, I just start walking
14:05 <@Dagmar> At no point does anyone who has decided they were going to force their way through and sieze the right of way even honk
14:05 <@Mirage> Which, I might point out, is not the most rational thing to do for that intersection most of the time.
14:05 <@Dagmar> THeir problem, not mine
14:05 <@Dagmar> If they're not going to kill me, I'm certainly going to yank them out of their vehicle
14:06 <@Dagmar> What I find amusing tho is that they don't even honk.
14:06 <@klixa> i find that cars dont tend to honk at pedestrians...
14:07 <@Dagmar> They do around here.
14:07 <@Dagmar> Nashville drivers are kind of dicks.
14:07 <@Dagmar> Ther'es all this talk about Nashville being one of the nicest cities, but it's bullshit.
14:07 <@klixa> I KNOW
14:07 <@Dagmar> Nashville is into being _conspicuously_ nice.
14:07 <@klixa> when i was there in december...i took a bus... and the people at the bus station were rude as fuck
14:07 <@opticron> ehhh, I honk at assholes who are jaywalking when there's a perfectly good sidewalk next to them
14:07 <@Dagmar> When people are inside their cars or otherwise relatively out of sight, it's every man for himself
14:07 <@klixa> i was on my way to columbus..and in columbis
14:07 <@klixa> they were nice
14:07 <@klixa> i should have just rented a car
14:08 <@Corydon76-work> One of the universals in this country is that everybody believes their city has the worst drivers
14:08 <@Dagmar> Oh they can drive fine here.  They're just dicks
14:08 <@klixa> i think the worst drivers ar eboston
14:08 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: Absolutely NOT true..
14:08 <@klixa> frisco and the rets of the bay drvers are dicks
14:08 <@klixa> LA driving is hectic as hell but people let you over instead of making you crash into a barrier
14:09 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: Oh, where are the worst drivers?
14:09 <@Dagmar> klixa: Seriously?  I suggest you buy a sawed-off shotgun before you try to drive in Nashville again
14:09 <@klixa> in denver, they all go 35 mph in the rain
14:09 <@Dagmar> klixa: In San Fran they appear to understand things like a zipper-merge
14:09 <@Dagmar> Nashville considers a zipper-merge sommething that happens when the number of drivers who are pussies exceeds a certain level
14:09 <@klixa> Dagmar: sometimes... unless its a bus... i have almost been hit by a bus 3 times in frisco
14:09 <@klixa> they just dont slow down AT ALL
14:10 <@Dagmar> klixa: That's physics.
14:10 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: Your statement was not accurate..people do not always think the drivers in their town are the worse.  In my experience, Orando was full of idiots..most of which were tourists.
14:10 <@Mirage> er, Orlande
14:10 <@Dagmar> You just *don't* step in front of something that weighs 8 tons in a city wiht a bunch of fucking steep hills
14:10 <@Mirage> fuck
14:10 <@Mirage> i give up
14:10 <@Dagmar> There's really nothing the driver can do about it other than pull out a tape measure and see if you flew a record distance
14:10 <@klixa> Dagmar: im talking about the way they cut you off after they pick up people and take their lane back
14:10 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: I suspect you're also better traveled than the vast majority of Americans
14:10 <@klixa> not the physics way
14:11 <@Mirage> What I always found interesting about Nashville drivers is that even people who had lived there for 20 years drove around like they had no clue where they were going.
14:11 <@Dagmar> Yeah if they wait for a larger gap they won't be getting back into that lane
14:11 <@klixa> Dagmar: i understand why they need to do it...its just annoying
14:11 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: you mean they aren't in a hurry?
14:11 <@klixa> then theres the people who walk with NO walk sign AND have babies..and push them in front of the cars first
14:11 <@klixa> i yelled at someone woman abut that one day
14:11 <@Dagmar> This very morning, I got treated to a long standing wave getting onto the interstate because someone in my lane was a pussy and *stopped*
14:12 <@klixa> oh god i HATE when people stop
14:12 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile, every single fucking driver in the right lane, that is *supposed* to be merging into this one, was blazing past ys
14:12 <@klixa> i know they are *trying * to be nice, but that is dangerous as fuck
14:12 <@Dagmar> I watched literally 50 cars go past on my right
14:12 <@Dagmar> The merge point less than 75 yards ahead
14:12 <@Mirage> LA and SF drivers seem to operate on the goal of seeing just how many near accidents they can incite in a day, as well as see how many people they can piss off.
14:13 <@klixa> Mirage: i like driving in LA...
14:13 <@Dagmar> But... at least this weekend I didn't have to striek anyone's vehicle
14:13 <@klixa> i DONT like driving in the bat
14:13 <@klixa> bay*
14:13 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage:  I've heard Rome (Italy) has the worst drivers of anywhere.
14:13 <@klixa> in LA i know where i am going also...its the only city i know without a gps
14:13 <@Corydon76-work> Apparently, no vehicle in Rome has the side rear-view mirrors, as they've all been knocked off
14:14 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: I've heard that India had the worst.
14:14 <@Mirage> I believe Dolemite claimed that
14:14 <@opticron> argentina has interesting driving, but I'm not sure I'd call it "bad"
14:14 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, the Indians pay no attention to lines on the road
14:14 <@klixa> nashville, indianapolis, columbus... these quaint 300,000 population type cities do tend to habve the worst drivers imo
14:15 <@klixa> boston is the one i always say has the worst...but...really they are just all fast abnd aggressive
14:15 <@klixa> which i dont like
14:15 <@Corydon76-work> But in Italy, if a cabbie decides he wants to go the other way, he generally will, cutting off 5 lanes of traffic
14:17 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: I saw that a few times in Orlando from tourists who'd missed their turn and decided to do an impromptu u-turn.   One extremely memorable one was a woman driving an enormous cadillac.  She couldn't make the u-turn on a 4-lane divided street...so had to back up in and make it a 3-point
14:17 <@Corydon76-work> Nice
14:20 <@klixa> shapr shapr bo bapr bannana fanna b...i forget how it goes
14:22 <@shapr> wait what?
14:22 <@shapr> You screamt?
14:23 <@Mirage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99bZ_1UXL48
14:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sha Na Na ~The Name Game - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:23 <@klixa> shapr: i was just trying to get  your attention, despite having nothing of value to say
14:23 <@shapr> You have my attention!
14:23 <@shapr> It worked!
14:23 <@shapr> Hello World!
14:23 <@klixa> shapr: i'm drawn to your blinky lights
14:24 <@shapr> They are mesmerizing, it's true.
14:24 <@klixa> and irresistable
14:24 <@shapr> and I made more blinky lights for PyTN
14:24 <@Dolemite> I didn't say that India has the worst drivers.  I said that there was no fucking way I'd ever get behind the wheel of a vehicle in India.
14:24 <@shapr> klixa: You should hear about the UNDERkillt project!
14:24 <@Dagmar> Gawd
14:24 <@Dagmar> A _second_ invite to a Women's Ingress group
14:24 <@shapr> 144 blinky lights mounted under my utilikilt, because underglow on cars just isn't tacky enough
14:24 <@klixa> Dagmar: do they think you are woman? or are they planning to jump you?
14:25 <@Dagmar> klixa: Honestly I do not know
14:25 <@Dagmar> If I get a third one I'm accepting the invitation
14:25 <@klixa> lol
14:25 <@Mirage> klixa: Das Computermashine ist nicht fur Fingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der Springwerk blowenfusen und poppencorken mit Spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gerwerken bei das Dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken Sightseeren must keepen Hands in das pockets relaxen und watch das Lights gerblinken.
14:25 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm going to go find a rose to stick in my mouth, and post a picture with the caption 'Hello there, Ladies!'
14:26 <@klixa> Mirage: wtf... lol
14:27 <@Mirage> klixa: I take it you've never seen that sign before..
14:27  * klixa keeps hands in pockets and watches the dumbasses and their blinky lights...and i think there was something about popcirn
14:27 <@klixa> no, i have never seen that sign
14:27 <@Mirage> http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh210/reddrryder/DSC00379.jpg
14:28 <@Mirage> There are a few versions that are all pretty similar
14:28 <@klixa> shapr: i want a bracelet or something with this <3 in led's... an led heart, i want it to look just like that tho <3
14:28 <@klixa> Mirage: im not familiar with that at all
14:29 <@shapr> klixa: You could get Jimmie P Rodgers' OpenHeart kit, I have one.
14:29 <@klixa> shapr: got a link?
14:29 <@Mirage> http://www.broadcastengineering.info/download/file.php?id=404&sid=e6583d149f328d35296e528375e77509&mode=view
14:29 <@shapr> If you want it to look exactly like <3, you'll likely have to put that together yourself, but it'll be easy.
14:29 <@klixa> theres like a zillion other things id wann do too
14:29 <@klixa> but right now i am obsessed with the <3 symbol for some reason
14:30 <@Mirage> klixa: they had one of those signs on the Vampire linux research cluster at VU for quite some time.
14:30 <@Dagmar> Just drill some heart-shaped holes in some candle-wax, pour in some epoxy with a bit of red dye mixed in, and shove t 1-3/4's into it before it sets
14:30 <@klixa> Dagmar: OMG thats fucking genius
14:30 <@klixa> candle wax molds
14:30  * klixa hits herself in the head
14:31 <@Dagmar> heh
14:32 <@Dagmar> You can do all kinds of things with candle wax
14:32 <@klixa> im only familiar with the more devious uses ;)
14:32 <@Dagmar> ...like have a complete set of ice fangs ready to go for murderous snowmen
14:32 <@Dagmar> IF IT EVER FUCKING SNOWS IN YOUR CITY AGAIN
14:33 <@klixa> not happenig...global warming
14:33 <@Dagmar> Well, tell that to Atlanta
14:33 <@klixa> global warming works in mysterious ways
14:33 <@Dagmar> ...although we're going to start getting some hate if we go through another nearly snowless winter whil every state around us devolves into chaos
14:36 <@klixa> i just went through the Sierra NEvadas...and it was perfeclty clear...no snow...very unusual this time of year
14:49 <@shapr> klixa: So, when you dropping by to do etextiles with me?
14:49 <@klixa> shapr: christmastime?
14:49 <@shapr> or just order up some for yourself and solder together a heart!
14:49 <@shapr> klixa: ok, sounds like fun
14:49 <@shapr> klixa: try this? http://learn.adafruit.com/heart-rate-badge/overview
14:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Overview | Heart Rate Badge | Adafruit Learning System (at learn.adafruit.com)
14:49 <@klixa> for the heart , i actually want to use those sew kind
14:50 <@klixa> shapr: that is the LAST thing i need to make (anxiety reasons lol)
14:50 <@shapr> Maybe focusing on your heart beat is calming?
14:50 <@klixa> nooooooo
14:51 <@shapr> Huh, paying attention to my heart beat calms me down.
14:51 <@shapr> But then I am a naturally calm, quiet, relaxing person.
14:51 <@klixa> about 2 year ago...i smoked some pot...nd had a BAAAAD expereince...my heart raced, etc etc... and for almost a year, everyday i thought i was gonna die
14:51 <@klixa> i quit all drugs, smoking, caffeine, pills(like ibuprofin and bendryl) started eating organic everythign... i went insane
14:52 <@klixa> i drink caffeine agian now...and have eased up on everything needing to be rganic
14:52 <@shapr> caffeine is organic
14:52 <@klixa> i quit caffeine cause it raises heart rate
14:52 <@Dagmar> Fuck that
14:52 <@Dagmar> It makes you live longer subjectively
14:52 <@klixa> well, like i said i started again
14:52 <@wilpig> stupid people can raise your heart rate too
14:53 <@Dagmar> wilpig++
14:53 <@klixa> i went through a high anxiety stage for about a year
14:53 <@klixa> i was on edge all the time
14:53 <@Dagmar> I did that for awhile
14:53 <@Dagmar> Then I decided I was going to quit working at Deloitte & Touche even if it meant unemployment
14:54 <@wilpig> NotLarry: are you going to bed or is this your day off?
14:55 <@klixa> shapr: im cyberstalking you atm and looking at all your projects and stuff...i dont like to cyberstalk behind people's backs
14:56 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: You worked for Toilet and Douche?
14:56 <@Mirage> 13:53 <@klixa> i was on edge all the time
14:57 <@Mirage> klixa: lol..have you met Dagmar in person?
14:57 <@klixa> lol
15:01 <@shapr> klixa: feel free to cyberstalk me.
15:04 <@klixa> shapr: did you ever get the guitar
15:04 <@shapr> I've been playing a martin backpacker that my sister owns.
15:04 <@shapr> More interested in making songs with something like Ableton Live at the moment.
15:05 <@klixa> i use garage band
15:05 <@klixa> i have only made like 3 songs ever... its not really my thing ( i WISH it were...but im more visual)
15:05  * klixa can drawn, paint, etc etc...visual stuffs
15:08 <@shapr> I'm not much for drawing, but I do like writing and designing.
15:08 < NotLarry> I'm on
15:08 <@klixa> i can write true stuff ...i suck at fiction...
15:09 < NotLarry> wilpig: Day on.  Back on noon to midnight
15:09 <@shapr> I'm okay at fiction. I like to write short stories.
15:09 <@klixa> shapr: i like to read pelpe's short stories :|
15:09 <@klixa> people's*
15:10 <@shapr> I don't have any on me, but I can scrape some out of my writings.
15:21 <@shapr> klixa: Have you written any stories?
15:21 <@klixa> shapr: yeah and poems, etc... but its been forever ago
15:22 <@klixa> any of you nashvillians remeber Blast! magazine? /me used to write for it
15:22 <@Corydon76-work> If you're looking for stories, there's always nifty.org
15:26 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i dont in general...i was just telling shapr i wanted to read *his* stories, but i was being subtle
15:26 <@shapr> ah, subtlety? Not sure that works with me.
15:26 <@klixa> shapr: I WANNA READ YOUR STORIES BRO!
15:26 <@shapr> oh, ok then
15:27 <@shapr> I'll have to look around, I haven't written much lately, only songs about divorce anger.
15:27 <@klixa> i can relate to that, kinda
15:29 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: in my experience, men are a lot easier to date than women
15:30 <@Corydon76-work> Y'know, just in case, you were going to get back in the swing
15:30 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: hes mine i saw him first..get your own
15:30 <@klixa> :D
15:30 <@Corydon76-work> lol
15:31 <@shapr> ha
15:31 <@shapr> Corydon76-work: Opinions from women I've dated would support your statement.
15:32 <@klixa> i have never dated either gender...i skip straight to LTR ...
15:32 <@shapr> I haven't had a date since I had a divorce in September. But I am seriously considering that option.
15:33 <@Corydon76-work> OKCupid isn't a bad place to start, for either gender
15:33 <@shapr> Ya know, I have an okcupid profile.
15:33 <@klixa> how is that working out for you
15:34 <@shapr> And contrary to Dickie's suggestion, it does not describe me as manic. But I am considering adding that as a personality trait.
15:34 <@shapr> klixa: Like I said, haven't had a date in >6 months
15:34 <@Corydon76-work> Of course, if you want to skip straight to sex, then adam4adam.com will work
15:34 <@shapr> never heard of it
15:34 <@klixa> i have an okcupid profeil...but only cause a friend in another channel kept linking me pics of chicks
15:34 <@Dolemite> Haven't had a date at all, or haven't had a date that lived?
15:34 <@shapr> er, yeah?
15:34 <@klixa> and many of them said "you must login to see this"
15:34 <@klixa> so all of us in the channel made a profile
15:34 <@Corydon76-work> If you're at work, don't go there
15:34 <@shapr> Dolemite: have not had a date at all since my (now ex) wife walked out.
15:35 <@shapr> Dolemite: Got any dating tips?
15:35 <@Dolemite> shapr:  Don't stick your dick in crazy
15:35 <@klixa> shapr: why did your ex leave you
15:35 <@shapr> that's excellent advice
15:35 <@Dolemite> And for klixa, don't let crazy stick anything in you
15:36 <@Dolemite> That pretty much sums up my dating advice
15:36 <@klixa> ol
15:36 <@klixa> lol*
15:36 <@shapr> klixa: She said she needed freedom and room to grow. But she starting sleeping at another guy's place before she told me we were getting a divorce, so I suspect there was some detail she left out of that statement.
15:36 <@Dolemite> Oh, and don't sex0r up other people from IRC
15:36 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, that only works out well for me
15:36 <@shapr> right, no IRC sex, got it.
15:37 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-work: You didn't meet peaches on here, did you?
15:37 <@Corydon76-work> Dolemite: coil
15:37 <@Corydon76-work> I met Peaches on gay.com
15:38 <@Dolemite> And on that note, I'm heading out.  Time for my daily dose of Genghis Grill.
15:38 <@Corydon76-work> Enjoy!
15:38 <@Dolemite> Mmmmmm good
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15:39 <@Corydon76-work> Oddly, that was my reaction as I was deflowering coil.
15:39 <@Corydon76-work> shapr: btw, if you couldn't tell, I have no shame.
15:40 < aestetix> klixa: hey baby what's happening
15:40 < aestetix> Wanna hang out and do the johnny rotten?
15:40 <@shapr> Corydon76-work: no worries, I don't have much myself.
15:40 <@klixa> hi aestetix; no idea what that means but prolly not
15:41 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: you should totally hang out with Harley and let him take you places
15:44 <@Dickie> honk honk
15:47 <@klixa> https://scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1/1904210_251776881671178_497155195_n.jpg  AND  https://scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1796526_251776865004513_303419818_n.jpg  NotLarry one of the new outfits she got to day
15:47 < aestetix> klixa: we can go to occupy oakland and get tear-gassed together
15:48 < aestetix> Very few bonding experiences get you as close as being handcuffed together by abusive police
15:49 <@klixa> lol
15:50 <@Corydon76-work> Isn't Occupy Oakland in the process of being evicted?
15:50 <@Corydon76-work> In a few short years, Oakland might actually be a nice place to live, again
15:50 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: think of it like a case of bedbugs
15:51 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: You just need to fumigate?
15:51 < aestetix> pretty much
15:52 <@klixa> again? when the hell was it ever nice
15:52 < aestetix> klixa: before the gold rush
15:52 <@klixa> lol
16:10 < aestetix> god
16:10 < aestetix> WHY
16:10 <@klixa> shapr is giving me private lessons on how to brag...so look, i made preserves once https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i8emt0uvw5gtpvh/dwA4WhbE0q#/
16:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - preserves (at www.dropbox.com)
16:10 < aestetix> why do people think it's a good idea to offer child care at a conference
16:11 <@klixa> aestetix: because they are retarded RETARDED
16:11 <@brimstone> code of conduct
16:11 <@klixa> code of conduct /s/ retarded
16:15 < aestetix> god I hate babies
16:15 < aestetix> no offense
16:15 < aestetix> maybe I should rephrase
16:15 <@shapr> yay klixa !
16:15 < aestetix> if I'm busy running a conference, I really do not want to be stuck worrying about someone's fucking baby too
16:15 <@klixa> lol
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16:19 < aestetix> you know
16:19 <@Mirage> klixa: too bad you left Wichita Falls..would have been in driving distance for some cajun goodness... http://dfw.cbslocal.com/mudbug-bash-2014/
16:19 < aestetix> I don't think I'd hate babies nearly as much if Americans weren't such fucking idiots about them
16:19 <@klixa> lol crawfish party
16:20 <@klixa> aestetix: theres books out there about how to raise them the european way so they arent such spoiled fucktards
16:20 < aestetix> In American culture, a baby is this meat nugget that eats, pukes, and poops all over you, and if you do anything to make it mad, the mob will crucify you
16:20 <@klixa> i was raised german style...so i just plan on copying my parents...
16:20 <@Mirage> klixa: you don't need a book for that...just a belt, switch, or paddle
16:21 < aestetix> children in the US are way too much of a liability to be accomodated
16:21 <@klixa> Mirage: no..i wnt be doing that...and it wasnt done to me... consistency is the main thing...and then not giving into children;s insane desires
16:22 <@klixa> i had a friend...baby cried everytime they took away the bottle...so they kept giving it back
16:22 <@klixa> kids teethe got "bottle rot"
16:22 <@Mirage> klixa: that's when you put in ear plugs
16:22 < aestetix> instead of the insane strategy of letting the damn thing cry? or stick a pacifier in its mouth?
16:22 <@klixa> people dont realise the minor discomfort the child feels is for the greater good
16:23 <@klixa> i once helf sown a 14 month old and dumped cough syrup down its throat... i know it sucked for them...btu 20 minutes later it didnt
16:23 <@klixa> held*
16:23 <@anarchival> aestetix: Childcare at a conference is a good idea because one of the primary reasons people - men as well as women - cannot make it out to events is the lack of childcare.
16:24 < aestetix> anarchival: and it's a bad idea because the parents who bring their kids to a conference also like to sue the conference if anything goes wrong
16:24 <@anarchival> aestetix: Offering a central child care facility is also a perk of a great many leading technology companies, so it's not outside the realm of expectation inside the industry.
16:24 < aestetix> It's also a bad idea because of insurance. And what happens if someone at the conference has alcohol near the kid?
16:24 <@Mirage> Childcare at a conference opens up an whole new world of liability
16:24 <@brimstone> are babysitters that passe?
16:24 <@Bahhumbug> childcare at any conference is retarded.  Any "parent" that would leave their spawn at such a facility deserve to lose their spawn.
16:24 <@klixa> i wouldnt leave my child in childcare at a conference
16:24 <@klixa> its too temporary
16:24 <@anarchival> aestetix: That's why you contract with a licensed child care provider to do it, instead of the conference going into the business of child care.
16:25 <@klixa> no time to reaserch the people, etc
16:25 < aestetix> anarchival: so that the conference and the provider can enter into a hot potato contest for who gets to deal with the lawsuit?
16:25 <@anarchival> aestetix: Most child care facilities require parents to sign away their rights to sue if anything goes wrong; can you name any lawsuits that have taken place because of child care being provided at conferences?
16:25 <@Bahhumbug> brimstone: They are not passe but it would have nothing to rail about otherwise.
16:25 <@klixa> or you do what my father lways did...invote me to the NAMM show too, so i would wtach his new wives stupid children
16:26 <@brimstone> Bahhumbug: i just now realized you ungendered anarchival
16:26 <@anarchival> aestetix: Although I deeply respect your three years of legal training and years of experience in the profession, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
16:26 < aestetix> anarchival: and i don't care to. I just know all the stress of doing conference organization, and I don't wish to indulge in a new layer of stress.
16:26 <@anarchival> brimstone: Dehumanized me, actually. Dennison doesn't consider me to be a human being.
16:26 <@Bahhumbug> It doesn't deserve to be referenced as anything other than "it".
16:26 <@klixa> Denisson ++++++++++++
16:26 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, you're human.  You're just a bitch.
16:26 < aestetix> I know how fucking insane most parents are, and the ball of insanity they turn into around their kids.
16:26 <@klixa> whoever the hell Dennison is
16:27 <@Bahhumbug> o/
16:27 < aestetix> Further, I don't want to fucking deal with kids.
16:27 <@anarchival> aestetix: Okay, then don't do it.
16:27 < aestetix> If a parent brings their kid, great. They assume responsibility.
16:27 <@Bahhumbug> Kids young enough to require childcare have no right to be at a con.
16:27 < aestetix> Also, what happens when a parent brings their kid, and the parent had an issue with the arrangements?
16:27 <@anarchival> aestetix: You're far more likely to run into issues of liability with kids wandering around conferences with their parents than you are with them sequestered in a professionally-run day care area, BTW.
16:28 <@Bahhumbug> No matter how inconvenient it is to their parents.  Perhaps they should have thought of these things before decided to spawn.
16:28 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: agreed
16:28 <@klixa> i have a a 4month old and i agree as well
16:28 < aestetix> Also, what about the parent who travels to the conference, brings their kid because they heard we had childcare, and then flips out at us when they realize it costs money
16:28 <@klixa> *if* i wanted to go to a conference, id either find someone to watch my child or put my child in one of those slings or ust not go
16:29 <@anarchival> I'm in favor of the childless misanthropes staying home and the kids getting to have all the fun, actually.
16:29  * anarchival is a childless misanthrope.
16:29 <@brimstone> aestetix: is this re hope?
16:29 < aestetix> brimstone: yes
16:29 < aestetix> brimstone: well sort of
16:29 < aestetix> brimstone: someone suggested this independently the other day, and now someone proposed it within the org
16:29 <@brimstone> yeah, i wouldn't board my child at hope
16:30 <@wilpig> I'd board brimstone at hope
16:30 < aestetix> anarchival: think of how stupid the average person is. Now add in their kid.
16:30 <@wilpig> aestetix: I expect you to feed him and fill him with alcohol
16:30 <@klixa> i dont see why someone cant just walk around with their kid...i take my baby everywhere
16:30 <@klixa> its never been an issue
16:30 < aestetix> klixa: that's fine.
16:30 < aestetix> klixa: the issue is when the person expects the conference to take care of their kid, and then gets mad about it.
16:30 <@klixa> aestetix: im saying i dont know why these peopel NEED childcare
16:30 < aestetix> oh
16:30 < aestetix> fucked if I know
16:31 < aestetix> also
16:31 <@klixa> i mean, if your kid cant go places because they act bad...should they be the burdern to a daycare person?
16:31 < aestetix> I take great pride in HOPE not being like Maker Faire
16:31 <@anarchival> aestetix: If average people are coming to your Con, then you're doing it wrong. Actually, don't even put on that fucking Con.
16:31 <@Bahhumbug> Why can't the dingbats keep their idiotic bullshit to themselvs?
16:32 <@wilpig> Bahhumbug: unique snowflakes
16:32 < aestetix> anarchival: I'm sorry, we'll add in an aptitude test people have to take before they can register for tickets
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> I blame their parents for not beating them enough.
16:32 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: ignore it...attention is like oxygen, lol
16:32 <@wilpig> Bahhumbug: +1
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> I can't ignore it.  It's pervasive.
16:32 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: it is hard
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> The country is filled with entitled and stupid.
16:33 <@anarchival> klixa: I'm looking forward to that three month old becoming a toddler.
16:33 <@Bahhumbug> Combine them and you get modern American society.
16:34 < aestetix> It's less that I hate kids, and more that I hate our cultures attitude towards them.
16:34 < aestetix> A child properly beaten into shape can be quite pleasant.
16:35 <@Bahhumbug> Yes.
16:35 <@Bahhumbug> ^ that times 4980659873563948761390o8650934865908324590834658324965389046340956834095634
16:35 <@Bahhumbug> (sans 'o')
16:35 <@Bahhumbug> real life beckons.
16:35 <@klixa> i need another frappucino...tonsillitus sucks
16:36 < aestetix> Imagine what would happen to PhreakNIC if half the attendees were rolling around baby strollers and getting offended if they heard anyone using curse words.
16:36 <@wilpig> aestetix: we've had some of that
16:36 <@wilpig> but you know how well this crowd handles "don't say x"
16:36 < aestetix> actually
16:36 < aestetix> PhreakNIC could provide day care
16:36 < aestetix> run by NotLarry
16:36 <@wilpig> oh god
16:37 <@klixa> lmfao
16:37 < aestetix> He has plenty of experience with children, right?
16:37 <@klixa> i can just see NotLarry with the kids
16:37 <@wilpig> news at 11.  children found bungie jumping at local computer security conference
16:37 < aestetix> If a kid is being obnoxious, NotLarry would just hand it a joint
16:38 <@wilpig> he's be more likely to send them bungie jumping than give em a joint
16:38 <@klixa> the best way to deal with an obnoxious kid is to ignore it
16:38 <@Mirage> wilpig: correction: children found hanging from the ceiling by bungy cord at local convention.
16:38 <@wilpig> hehe
16:39 <@klixa> they just want attenton...and you ahve to teach kids that the only way to get attention is by doing something wirthwhile...nit by just being annoying
16:39 < aestetix> anarchival: would you be willing to help organize a day care at phreaknic?
16:39 <@wilpig> Mirage: ..."was your child one of them?  tune in at 11 to find out"
16:39 <@anarchival> aestetix: No, but I'd be happy to find us a licensed daycare with whom we would contract for that service.
16:39 < aestetix> that's what "organize" means
16:39 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I've also heard that for kids who are being brats, the best thing is to stop and hold them in a bear hug for a long time
16:39 <@anarchival> aestetix: Then again, we're not discussing actual PN planning in this channel, so that's just a hypothetical.
16:40 <@wilpig> Corydon76-work: it worked on rattle.  ;)
16:40 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: unless the are the clausterphobic sort, then they freak out
16:40 < aestetix> I nominate anarchival to organize the PhreakNIC day care
16:40 <@wilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/skydog/manlove.jpg
16:40 < aestetix> not gonna click
16:40 <@wilpig> click
16:40 <@Corydon76-work> It's harmless
16:40 <@wilpig> click
16:40 <@anarchival> They're just wrestlin'
16:40 <@klixa> HAHAHHAHAHAHA
16:41 < aestetix> definitely not clicking
16:41 <@wilpig> click
16:42 < aestetix> ok so
16:42 <@klixa> click
16:42 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: yeah...like your endorsement is going to make me click something named "manlove.jpg"
16:42 < aestetix> why is it that childcare only comes up when trying to get women to attend
16:42 < aestetix> surely there are men with children too?
16:42 <@wilpig> Mirage: just click and laugh.
16:42 <@Corydon76-work> Wilpig can retitle it
16:42 <@Mirage> wilpig: SFW?
16:42 <@wilpig> I can get outta here in 20 minutes.  w00t
16:42 <@wilpig> Mirage: very
16:43 <@wilpig> 9th floor of pn hotel
16:43 <@Mirage> Blocked by EMC
16:43 <@wilpig> oh yeah.  wilpig.org is a virus riddled whore
16:44 <@wilpig> according to mcaffee and whomever else these places use for filtering
16:44 <@Mirage> So, your domain is modeled after the operator?
16:44 <@wilpig> yup
16:45  * wilpig has the herp
16:47 <@wilpig> damnit.  i'm sitting in the hot row again and need to cut a gasser
16:49 <@brimstone> break time!
16:53 <@Dagmar> Holy crap Woot actually has alkaline batteries for sale
16:53 <@Dagmar> Who in their right mind would even use them
16:53 <@Dagmar> For that matter why the fuck is Rayovac still even making them?
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16:59 < aestetix> but yeah
17:00 < aestetix> I guess the idea is that men come to conferences and leave the kids at home with the wife?
17:00 <@brimstone> or women leave the men, don't be sexist
17:00 < aestetix> and when women want to come, either they are single moms or their husbands are also at conferences?
17:00 < aestetix> I'm trying to understand the logic
17:00 < aestetix> of why childcare only comes up with women
17:01 < aestetix> or more specificall
17:01 < aestetix> why peopel say having childcare makes things more welcoming to women
17:01 <@Dagmar> Fuck if I know
17:02 <@Dagmar> Maybe it's because there's a lot of single males and not as many single women?
17:02 < aestetix> I've never heard anyone say childcare makes it welcoming to men
17:02 <@Dagmar> Seems like a rather stupid double-standard to me... and that's coming from the camp that jumps up and down about equal treatment.
17:02 < aestetix> right
17:02 <@Dagmar> So fuck what they want until they can talk some sense
17:03 < aestetix> I mean if they have a guy, why can't he stay home and watch the kid
17:03 <@Dagmar> Saying some random unsubstantiated shit is not valid justification any more than simply saying "because reasons"
17:03 < aestetix> or a woman, etc
17:03 <@Dagmar> There's also things called 'babysitters'
17:03 < aestetix> yep
17:04 <@Dagmar> It makes me want to go find a picture of a bunch of stacked pet carriers
17:04 <@Dagmar> We can provide child "storage"
17:04 <@Bahhumbug> <@anarchival> aestetix: Then again, we're not discussing actual PN planning in this channel, so that's just a hypothetical.
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> What an outright bunch of absolute bullshit.
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> Just because someone's got their panties all wadded up.
17:05 <@Dagmar> We're _certainly_ not going to enterain any more crazy-talk bullshit
17:05 < aestetix> well she is right
17:05 < aestetix> if this were phreaknic planning, the schedule would be full of talks called "vagina"
17:05 <@Dagmar> No, she's a fucking psycho.
17:05 <@Dagmar> She's made that abundantly clear.
17:05 <@Mirage> who?
17:05 <@Dickie> YO MAMA
17:05 <@Dickie> OW!
17:06 <@Dagmar> Anarchival
17:06  * Dickie takes a victory lap
17:06 < aestetix> but yeah
17:06 < aestetix> lately my drama has been.... someone says something stupid on the internet, I come here and vent it out, then when I am calm I go back and say something logical
17:06 <@Dagmar> There's some people who think it has to do with her drinking, and I think it's a matter of she's spent too much time hanging out with those broken people on 4-chan
17:06 <@Dickie> Are you guys seriously considering childcare at PN?
17:06 <@Dagmar> Either that or she's the worst case of ASPR I've ever seen.
17:06 <@Dagmar> Dickie: Not only no, but fuck no.
17:06 <@Dickie> Is that what I stumbled into?
17:07 <@Dickie> Fuck no is the appropriate response
17:07 <@Dickie> We tried that last year with GTA V
17:07 <@Dagmar> ...and if sommeone pushes it I will find a picture of stacked pet carriers and push up an image of them as "Child 'storage' measures for parents who are unwilling to find a babysitter"
17:07 <@anarchival> aestetix: Probably because the amount of time women spend providing childcare at home has actually gone up since 1965: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/childcare-gap-between-men-and-women-narrows/
17:07 <@Dagmar> Dickie: Yeah I kinda want to slap someone about that
17:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Childcare gap between men and women narrows - CBS News (at www.cbsnews.com)
17:07 <@Dagmar> I *chain murder* childen in GTAV online
17:08 <@Dagmar> We should have addressed who the hell let a little kid play that thing
17:08 <@Mirage> Child services would immediately sieze the children from anyone insane enough to hand them over to childcare being hosted at PN
17:08 <@anarchival> aestetix: It's still largely seen as woman's work. Even women who work, who are usually the women who are interested in attending tech conferences.
17:08 <@Dagmar> Mirage: This is why the pet carriers
17:08 <@Dickie> because it's highly probable that a women will be doing the childcare
17:08 <@Dagmar> If they're under the weight restriction, it should be considered humane
17:08 <@Dickie> Sexist? No. Overwhelmingly probable.
17:08 <@anarchival> aestetix: But actually, I've heard the "no childcare" complaint from far more fathers than I have from mothers. It's only a focus on women's attendance in the sense that getting more women to attend is a focus.
17:08 <@Mirage> Although...the cattle prod would need to make a comebac
17:08 <@Mirage> k
17:08 <@Dagmar> PN is not a place for small children.
17:09 <@Dagmar> It never has been
17:09 <@Mirage> Dagmar: but the swimming pool at PN5 was so inviting..=)
17:09 <@Dagmar> Sure, it's great to encourage them and all, but this is complex shit that someone who isn't at least 11-12 is going to really have a snowball's chance in hell of understanding
17:10 <@Dagmar> PN is a thing for grownups and select teenagers we aren't likely to have to bury in concrete
17:10 <@Dagmar> Egalitarianism is for fucking hippies
17:10 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: tell me why ware was ever allowed, then?
17:10 <@Dagmar> Because when he's sober he's not such a galloping idiot
17:11 <@Dagmar> Ask anyone.  That chair incident was almost a complete non-sequitir at the time
17:11  * Dickie writes down "galloping idiot"
17:11 <@anarchival> Poor Dagmar. Any woman who doesn't like him must clearly be crazy.
17:11 <@Dagmar> Literally out of the fuckin' blue "Hey, watch this!  *toss*"
17:11 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: Ware is actually an alright guy...when he's not being an asshat
17:11 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: which is rare
17:11 <@anarchival> Also it's pretty damn funny that he considers my drinking to be a problem, when he's done more drugs than any ten people should ever do.
17:12 <@anarchival> He's too fucking paranoid to tell people his real name? And yet, we are the crazy ones.
17:12 <@anarchival> What the fuck, Dagmar? What the fuck?
17:12 <@Dagmar> No, he acts like kind of a dumbass online, but in person he's perfectly reasonable
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17:12 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: he popped over to my apt one time so that I could do some solder work on his broken laptop..i was extremely suprised by how calm and normal he was
17:12 <@Dagmar> ...unntil he gets hammered.
17:13 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: well, yeah, when he's actually within reach, he's well-behaved, if he's not drunk
17:15 <@Corydon76-work> The problem is, he doesn't always have the Sword of Damocles dangling over his head
17:16 <@anarchival> Considering the extraordinarily low bar for "well-behaved" in this group (well, except for trolling feminists, of course, who must answer to a higher standard), I tremble to imagine the bullshit ware must get up to.
17:16 <@Corydon76-work> Ware is a troll
17:16 <@anarchival> I don't remember encountering him that much. And by the way people talk, it seems like I would.
17:16 <@Dickie> Daaaaaang
17:17 <@Corydon76-work> He hasn't been around as much lately
17:17 < aestetix> anarchival: given that I'm seeing the "get more women" and "get childcare" at the same time, you can see how I'd make the link
17:17 < aestetix> Also, several people have directly said that childcare makes it more welcoming to women
17:17 <@Corydon76-work> He does seem to have a bromance with Lord Voldemort, though
17:18 <@Corydon76-work> If you think about it, Ware is Peter Pettigrew
17:19 <@anarchival> aestetix: The interests of men and women, particularly when they are parents, are not always diametrically opposed.
17:19 <@Dagmar> We could decorate everything in fucking frilly pink lace and it would  be more attractive to women
17:19 <@Dagmar> It doesn't mean we're going to do anything like that based on the declarations of a fucking asshat
17:19 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Oh god. Now I understand.
17:20 <@anarchival> Clearly, Dagmar is the only person who's allowed to troll in this channel. Give him a taste of his own medicine, and he ignores you.
17:21 < aestetix> anarchival: I've just never heard anyone say childcare makes it more welcoming to men
17:21 <@anarchival> I know that you know that I know that childcare wasn't my idea.
17:21 <@Mirage> anarchival: Dagmar is tame in comparison to Nox
17:21 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, or Ware
17:22 <@anarchival> aestetix: I don't think you're talking to enough fathers, then. It's a frequent complaint of many of the programmers around here.
17:22 <@Corydon76-work> Or Mercster
17:22 < aestetix> if enough are complaining, can't they team up and organize something?
17:22 <@anarchival> aestetix: In fact, I had this very discussion with one of the guys who organizes some of the conferences around here, just yesterday.
17:23 < aestetix> If this is such a big problem, it sounds like it's an open market
17:23 <@anarchival> aestetix: We're working on it. It's all about money, obviously, which is a conversation I just had today at lunch with another guy who does a lot of fundraising for local conferences.
17:24 <@anarchival> aestetix: Nashville is reaching the point where we might be able to provide that level of service, but we haven't done it yet.
17:24 < aestetix> ok then
17:24 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Note, I put the bitch on ignore about two weeks ago because all she does is stir up shit like this
17:24 <@Mirage> Sounds to me like if it's that much of an issue..and if someone wants to go to <insert con here>, then they will FIND childcare..or just not go.
17:24 <@anarchival> I didn't stir up the shit, honeycakes. That was your best friend aestetix.
17:24 < aestetix> anarchival: I do not want to have childcare at a conference. If there is a 3rd party service that offers it, I'm happy to put a link to them on a conference website.
17:24 <@anarchival> Jesus Christ, what an over-sensitive blowhard.
17:25 <@Dagmar> This is a subject which shouldn't have merited more than a passing interest, yet she keeps on stirring the shit
17:25 <@Mirage> it's expected of aestetix... how seriously do you really take anything from someone who's main addition to most conversations is "penis" or "vagina"?
17:26 <@Dagmar> Generally he only bothers with that when the channel is silent.  Pay attention.
17:26 <@anarchival> Mirage: That's how it usually works, yes. But we don't necessarily want people staying home from conferences for that reason, at least at some other events. Maybe we're cool with the people with kids not coming to PN, I don't know.
17:26 <@Dagmar> It beats the fuck out of shortbus riders typing 'ping'
17:26  * Dickie throws a folding chair into the ring
17:26 <@anarchival> Mirage: I'm actually enjoying having a grown-up discussion with aestetix.
17:27  * anarchival hits Dagmar over the head with the folding chair, which he doesn't see coming, because he has her on ignore.
17:28 <@Dagmar> Awesome.  Apparently there's a genuine sociopath coming down for the Recursion event
17:29 <@Dagmar> Someone I can take the safety off for.... MMMmmm...
17:31 < aestetix> what's wrong with vagina
17:31 <@anarchival> aestetix: they itch and they smell and sometimes, they poop out babies
17:31 <@Dagmar> "It's what's for dinner!"
17:32 <@anarchival> I'm going to go watch Alone in the Wilderness, Part 2.
17:32 < aestetix> you know
17:32 < aestetix> ugh
17:32 < aestetix> god I hate babies
17:33 <@anarchival> aestetix: I like babies, but sometimes I'm glad I can't have any. Makes life simpler.
17:33 <@Dagmar> Someone hits like a girl.
17:33 <@anarchival> You don't have me on ignore, you dipshit.
17:33 < aestetix> anarchival: and better for everyone
17:33 <@anarchival> I know that you know that I know...
17:34  * wilpig sets out food for the troll
17:34 <@anarchival> aestetix: Hey now! I have an amazing family legacy to pass down! But my cousins breed like rabbits, so I'll probably find one among their spawn to be my heir.
17:34 < aestetix> what is this family legacy
17:35 <@anarchival> aestetix: I'm sorry, you have to be related to me to know that. Do you have any ancestors from Tennessee?
17:36 < aestetix> yes
17:36 <@anarchival> aestetix: I'm going to need to see a DNA test.
17:37 < aestetix> My great grandfather was of the anarchival lineage. Although he was born with a brick in his head
17:37 <@anarchival> aestetix: You see how discussions of child care inevitably result in a paternity test?
17:37 < aestetix> Luckily none of the brickness got me. I can't say the same about you ;)
17:38 <@anarchival> aestetix: It's like I said to weev, "He might be well-intentioned, but he's not the sharpest tack."
17:38 < aestetix> when is weev gonna call me
17:39 < aestetix> anarchival: you don't have to be the sharpest, you just gotta be sharp enough to make em bleed
17:39 <@anarchival> aestetix: I have no idea. It takes a ridiculously long time to get on the call list. Also, if you have money, donate to his commissary. The cost for a phone call is pretty ridiculous. One of the reasons he calls me is probably because I made a donation.
17:40 <@anarchival> aestetix: Guns for show, knives for pros.
17:40 < aestetix> anarchival: but he has my number now?
17:40 <@anarchival> aestetix: Yes. I sent it to him with a note that read "I hope he dies in a fire." That's why he brought you up during our last call.
17:40 < aestetix> nice
17:41 <@anarchival> aestetix: He wanted to know why I didn't like you. After I explained it to him, he said, "all you had to say was 'scene drama.'"
17:41 < aestetix> did he say anything about me
17:41 < aestetix> what?
17:41 < aestetix> lol
17:41 < aestetix> you mean the vagina stuff?
17:41 <@anarchival> aestetix: He said you wear fedoras like a fucking faggot.
17:41 < aestetix> tell him not to drop the soap
17:42 <@anarchival> aestetix: I realize this doesn't fit into the mythos that Dagmar has invented about me, but I don't give a damn whether you post vagina or penis.
17:42 < aestetix> oh ok
17:42 < aestetix> so what other scene drama
17:42 <@anarchival> aestetix: I think it's dumb, and I'd rather you engaged in intelligent conversations than trolling, but at worst I'm sitting here rolling my eyes at you.
17:43 < aestetix> I'm sorry I don't meet your standards for IRC
17:43 <@anarchival> aestetix: It's not just IRC. I wish people would engage in more intelligent conversations in general. Downfall of Western civilization, etc.
17:44 < aestetix> Wait, there was a time when we had intelligent conversations?
17:44 <@anarchival> aestetix: Not generally, no.
17:44 < aestetix> uh
17:44 < aestetix> In order for there be a downfall, there has to be a place from which we fell
17:45 <@anarchival> aestetix: For goodness sakes. Have you even *listened* to any of weev's rants? it's not just all about making more white babies, you know.
17:45 <@anarchival> aestetix: Although his interest in fucking as many women as possible is well-established.
17:45 < aestetix> Dagmar: Bahhumbug I feel like I'm doing something wrong here.
17:46 <@anarchival> aestetix: "documented by major media sources," in fact.
17:47 <@anarchival> But seriously, I love how Dick Proenneke went to live by his own two hands in the Alaskan wilderness until he was 82 - eight-two! - at which point, you know, he decided to slow down a bit.
17:49 <@Dagmar> Could be
17:50 < aestetix> anarchival: so how do we have an intelligent conversation
17:51 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: for starters, stop trying to flirt with her.  It's not working.
17:52 <@Mirage> ms269808
17:52 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: that's a rotten password
17:53 <@Mirage> it's a document id
17:53 <@Dagmar> aestetix: You hire an intelligent girl as a stand in to wear a little sign with 'anarchival' on it around her neck.
17:53 <@Mirage> i clicked the ssh window instead of the citrix window
17:53 < NotLarry> Wait, childcare at PN?  I volunteer!!!
17:54 <@Dagmar> No, you're already babysitting speakers
17:54 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: Why not?  You've been doing that for the past 10 years already
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17:54 <@Bahhumbug> Stupid fucking noisy bitch.
17:54 <@Mirage> bah, this sux... http://entertainment-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/02/24/203208/harold-ramis-dies-at-69
17:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Harold Ramis Dies At 69 - Slashdot (at entertainment-beta.slashdot.org)
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17:55 <@Bahhumbug> Jesus.  69?
17:55 < NotLarry> Dagmar: I am?  Shit, I got to start showing up to meetings  so I can say no.
17:55 <@Bahhumbug> I feel incredibly old :/
17:58 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: does 69 seem young to you?
18:05 <@opticron> both my grandfathers died in their early 70s so it doesn't seem that odd from my perspective
18:05 <@opticron> but neither one really died of "natural" causes
18:06 <@Corydon76-work> opticron: were their last words, "Hold my beer and watch this"?
18:06 <@opticron> neither
18:06 <@Corydon76-work> Just checking
18:07 <@opticron> one got a nasty case of super-aggressive prostate cancer and the other caught C.diff. in a hospital
18:07 <@opticron> neither is a nice way to go
18:08 <@opticron> unfortunately, that leaves me no metric as to how long I should expect to live in good health :/
18:09 <@Mirage> I believe the youngest relative i can think of that died of natural causes would be one of my grandparents at 76.  our family is one of those where it's not all that unusual for 5 generations to be alive at the same time..and for the younest ones to be old enough to remember it.
18:09 <@Corydon76-work> opticron: But it does mean you should get regular prostate exams
18:09 <@opticron> yep
18:09  * Corydon76-work puts on a latex glove
18:09 <@opticron> nope
18:09 <@Corydon76-work> That's the most effective way.  Bend over.
18:10 <@Corydon76-work> I promise I'll be gentle.  ;-)
18:10 <@opticron> I know your tricks, normal latex gloves are supposed to have five digits, not one
18:11 < NotLarry> Corydon76-work: you misspelled penetrating...
18:11 <@Corydon76-work> This is a special glove.
18:11 <@opticron> some would call it "the love glove"
18:11 <@Corydon76-work> Just relax; it'll be over soon-ish.
18:13 < NotLarry> My most memorable prostate exam was when my doctor leaned in close and whispered "have you ever done this before?" in my ear.  He was funny, but totally inappropriate.  But I imagine if your job involves shoving your arm up mens asses all day to check for cancer of the thorax you have to have a sense of humor.
18:13 < NotLarry> I stole that from him too
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18:20 <@Dagmar> Just lie back and think of England
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18:21 <@Dagmar> So apparently the sociopath coming down for the Ingress event managed to troll and vandalize wikipedia for about two years before finally getting permabanned until the heat death of the universe
18:22 <@oddball> I take it "the sociopath" is not you? :p
18:22 <@Dagmar> Nope
18:22 <@Dagmar> I keep my shit in check
18:22 <@Dagmar> But... should this guy try getting in people
18:22 <@Dagmar> s faces, I'll enjoy riding his breastbone to the ground
18:22 <@Dagmar> I doubt he'll do that tho'.  Seems to follow the typical standard of a basement dwelling asshat
18:23 <@Dagmar> No balls.
18:23 <@oddball> So...  I picked up Bravely Default today.  Now to wait for the 3DS to charge.
18:23 <@Dagmar> oddball: Ooooo
18:23 <@Dagmar> You've got our FCs right?
18:23 <@oddball> Mayyyybe... I'll have to check.... when the thing is charged.
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18:24 <@anarchival> I'm sorry, I had to get on a call with the Mayor's office. Were we talking about something?
18:25 < NotLarry> About my providing childcare services at pn
18:25 < aestetix> anarchival: wow you sound important
18:25 <@anarchival> NotLarry: OH LAWD.
18:25 < NotLarry> anarchival: what?
18:26 <@anarchival> aestetix: Not really, no. I just like to annoy people with actual power sometimes, in addition to you guys.
18:27 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Didn't you nearly get arrested for being a drunken homeless person at the last PN?
18:27 <@oddball> Dagmar: I'l probably go farming on Wednesday.  Where's the best place to go?  Bicentennial?
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18:27 < NotLarry> anarchival: No.  I was the only sober person at phreaknic last year.
18:27 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Ah, vicious rumors...
18:28 < NotLarry> And how would nearly getting arrested for being a drunken homeless person have anything to do with my ability to provide childcare?
18:29 <@Dagmar> oddball: That depends on where we're doing a farm.  We'll be doing one pretty much every night this week somewhere.   Tonight's is at Belmont at 7pm
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18:29 < NotLarry> logic killed her connection.
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18:29 <@oddball> ah.  Pretty sure I'm in for the night. :/
18:29 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm going to go get me some damn coffee
18:30 < NotLarry> anarchival: What part bothers you, the "nearly getting arrested," "drunken," or "homeless person?"
18:30 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Well, I do remember us discussing how parents might not feel confident leaving their children with a babysitter at a conference that attracts such ne'er do wells as (reportedly) show up at PN.
18:31 < NotLarry> Weird, we have had kids at phreaknic since 4 at least.
18:31 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Usually - and I know I'm not speaking for all parents here - the idea of leaving their child with a drunken homeless person sets off some red flags.
18:31 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Oh, are you arguing for child care, then? I thought you were being ironic.
18:32 < NotLarry> So you are suggesting my identity is "a drunken homeless person?"  aestetix, what would your identity be?
18:32 <@oddball> Damnit... the chances of another Ghostbusters movie is officially fucked.  Harold Ramis died.
18:33 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Honestly, you remind me more of one of my older redneck drug addict cousins than you do a drunken homeless person, but I wouldn't call that your "identity." Maybe your aesthetic?
18:33 < NotLarry> oddball: I see it more of an oportunity.  Who better to be the new ghost?
18:33 <@Dagmar> I guess we can release those stunt sharks back into the open sea then
18:33 <@oddball> NotLarry: Would that make him a ghostwriter?
18:33 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Sort of how Dagmar thinks he's a goth but really looks like a rockabilly.
18:33 < NotLarry> anarchival: I remind you?  I don't even know you.
18:33 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: It never used to.
18:34 <@anarchival> NotLarry: You very nicely introduced yourself at the meeting a couple months ago.
18:34 < NotLarry> And you got " you remind me more of one of my older redneck drug addict cousins" out of a nice introduction?
18:35 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Out of all the stories I've told here about my family, why do you think my older redneck drug addict cousins aren't the better part of my relations?
18:36 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Geez. So sensitive.
18:36 < NotLarry> When it comes to bigotry, yeah.
18:36 <@wilpig> my consulting customer sent me snailmail.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/0fvnn64wpdctmza/2014-02-24%2018.26.00.jpg
18:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-02-24 18.26.00.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
18:37 < NotLarry> sweet
18:39 < NotLarry> anarchival: Why do you have this negative impression of phreaknic?
18:40 <@anarchival> NotLarry: I don't know what you're talking about.
18:40 < NotLarry> ok
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18:41 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Are you referring to this assumption that PN isn't safe for children? Because I'm not the one who was making that claim.
18:41 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Hell, I'm not even the one who brought up having child care at PN.
18:54 <@wilpig> while we're on the subject of children at PN.  how about a bbq.  surely we can get a baby to bbq.  I hear they're tender
18:55 < NotLarry> What hotel?
18:55 < NotLarry> I'm pretty sure the MH said no bbq.
18:56 <@Bahhumbug> Awww hell....  BBQ'd baby?
18:56 <@Bahhumbug> I might actually have to go this year!
18:56 <@wilpig> oh that's right.  damn who suggested that place again?
18:57 < NotLarry> Bahhumbug: a 100lb hog is a baby.  We have been doing it for 3 years so far.
18:57 <@wilpig> Bahhumbug: it is pretty amusing ot see notlarry with a hog on the back of his motorcycle
18:57 <@Bahhumbug> hahaha
18:57 <@Bahhumbug> I imagine it would be.
18:58 < NotLarry> You don't have to imagine, pics:)
18:58 < NotLarry> http://i.imgur.com/JUXZMeb.jpg - last year
18:59 < NotLarry> http://i.imgur.com/nKIZF.jpg - two years ago
19:02 <@Bahhumbug> That's pretty fucking awesome.
19:07 < NotLarry> I'd forgotten about this - http://i.imgur.com/cEpq1nP.png
19:16 <@anarchival> Lies. The Maxwell House allows barbecue, either on their outdoor grill or our own.
19:16 < aestetix> so anarchival I have a legal question
19:17 < aestetix> how powerful is spouse privilege?
19:17 <@anarchival> aestetix: Go ask a lawyer.
19:17 <@anarchival> aestetix: Definitely go ask a lawyer. Preferably in the State in which you're planning on telling your spouse what you did.
19:18 <@anarchival> Dammit, I didn't mean to capitalize state there. Too much anarchist literature.
19:18 < aestetix> I know the courts are adversarial, but damn
19:18 < aestetix> you just assume I did something bad :p
19:20 <@anarchival> aestetix: Well you're asking about marital privilege, which is nearly as indicative of guilt as inquiries about the insanity defense.
19:20 <@anarchival> aestetix: Most defense attorneys I know quietly suppress the desire to throw something at you when you ask questions like that. ;)
19:20 <@RangerZ> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/26327020
19:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: BBC News - Ghostbusters star Harold Ramis dies aged 69 (at www.bbc.co.uk)
19:21 <@RangerZ> :( *tear*
19:21 <@anarchival> aestetix: Or in the words of one of the best criminal defense attorneys in Nashville: "Don't do bad shit! And if you must do bad shit, as I know you all fucking do, don't tell another goddamned soul about it!"
19:22 <@anarchival> aestetix: (This was during a law school lecture. He was quite drunk.)
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19:25 < aestetix> anarchival: for one, I'm not married
19:25 <@wilpig> aestetix: righty is gonna be pissed to hear that
19:26 < aestetix> hahahaha
19:26 < aestetix> So it would be rather difficult for me to invoke it :p
19:28 <@anarchival> aestetix: Nonsense. You live in the Bay area. You have a husband, two girlfriends (one is bisexual), a surrogate for reproduction, and that dude you met on the trolley but it was just a one-time thing unless you run into him again.
19:30 <@anarchival> It's the fedora, obviously. Really reels them in.
19:30 <@anarchival> I'm not ready to deal with Egon's death yet. He was the one who got me started on mycology.
19:31 <@anarchival> http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html
19:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Paul Stamets: 6 ways mushrooms can save the world | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com)
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19:45 < aestetix> penis
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20:02 <@EnabrinTain> anarchival: I keep meaning to buy stamet's Big Book
20:03 <@EnabrinTain> his website is pretty good too
20:03 < NotLarry> Yeah, the Maxwell House, do y'all have a date yet?  How much are rooms gonna be?  Is there a code we reserve in?
20:04 <@wilpig> NotLarry: you shouldn't ask silly questions like that.
20:04 < NotLarry> I'm not.  I just got another email asking me this shit.
20:05 <@wilpig> I've gotten a few myself
20:05 <@wilpig> i've directed a few to president@ but I didn't hear anything else.
20:12 < NotLarry> I also have one suggesting I review crim 4.03 and prepare myself accordingly.  I suspect anarchival has created a new email account to troll me with.
20:18 <@Dagmar> You were up to some crimes?  Nope
20:18 <@Dagmar> Intent matters
20:19 < NotLarry> Yeah, what I found when I googled that seemed to imply that intent maters.
20:19 <@Dagmar> A mess of paperwork is not a conspiracy
20:20 <@Dagmar> Now the question is whether or not stalking/harassment constitutes a classification above a class C misdemenor
20:20 < NotLarry> I know not what mess of paperwork you speak of.  I was thinking more along the lines of my plans to, oh, wait...
20:21 <@Dagmar> I would hardly think plans to shoot down the moon would be in Tennessee's jurisdiction
20:21 < NotLarry> Wow, I almost just said something in steam chat that would have broken my oldest child.
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20:24 < NotLarry> Scheduled a meeting with Zafar today without telling him what it was about.  I only thought of it later that he probably was expecting my resignation.
20:24 <@Dagmar> hehehe
20:30 <@Dickie> I don't give a shit about her credibility or acting ability or even her personality
20:30 <@Dickie> I would split Olivia Munn in half
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> Hahaha
20:33 <@Dagmar> She looks delicious
20:34 <@Dagmar> Her husband is a very lucky man
20:36 <@Dagmar> ...an unlike Morgan Webb she had the fortitude to tell G4 she was picking her own damn wardrobe
20:36 <@Dickie> None of that makes me want to plow her less
20:38 <@Dagmar> heh
20:39 < NotLarry> Dickie: You know for a fact that if I got her to show up and just say "Hi Dickie, NotLarry said you like me." You would probably have shot your wad right around "
20:39 <@Dagmar> You'd probably be able to hear me screaming 'OH MY GAWD MAN!" from the studio
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20:42 <@oddball> Dagmar: Looks like I don't have your friends code.
20:44 <@Dickie> NotLarry: I'll take the chance. Bring it.
20:45 < NotLarry> Dickie: I don't know.  You got to be good, and by good I mean polite and shit.
20:46 < eryc> Dickie: http://i.imgur.com/0qJ3dZq.gif
20:46 < NotLarry> I'm not gonna put forth any effort unless you can swear you won't act like NotLarry and embarrass us all.
20:46 < NotLarry> ok, that needed a tag
20:48 <@Dickie> You get my Olivia Munn, and I'll do whatever
20:48 <@Dickie> I'll start working on convincing the wife
20:48 <@Dickie> It will be equally difficult
20:50 < NotLarry> Ok, get me a date and location for Phreaknic 18 and I'll work on it.
20:50 <@wilpig> NotLarry: i've secured Dickie as your date
20:51 <@Dickie> Location? ur butt
20:52 < NotLarry> Now why would you want to go there?
20:54 < eryc> http://www.nixaid.com/linux/network/encrypted-chat-with-netcat
20:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Encrypted chat with netcat [NIXAID.COM] (at www.nixaid.com)
20:54 <@Dagmar> Hell yes my replacement ID holder for my wallet was in the mail
20:54 <@Dagmar> It's everything I'd ever hoped for
20:55 < aestetix> FUCKING FAUXMINISTS
20:55 < aestetix> I swear this is becoming like an episodic thing
20:56 <@Dickie> Take a deep breath
20:56 < eryc> aestetix: click that image
20:56 < aestetix> They just banned a friend of mine from Noisebridge for "harassment"
20:56 < eryc> lol @ noisebridge
20:57 < aestetix> He was trying to get access to a wiki so he sent this person a few emails.... that person interpreted it as harassment, asked for him to be banned, and they did it
20:57 < aestetix> So now they aren't letting him in the space
20:57 < aestetix> I don't even
20:58 < eryc> noisebridge is a failed experiment that needs to die
20:59 < aestetix> eryc: it doesn't help that it's currently filled with idiots and fauxminists
20:59 <@Bahhumbug> Fire?
20:59 < aestetix> Normally I wouldn't give a shit, but this really upset my friend
20:59 <@Bahhumbug> You seem to get upset a lot.  Perhaps you should smoke more weed?
20:59  * Bahhumbug goes off to puff
21:00 < eryc> sometimes i click on the noisebridge mailing list in gmail to get a peek at the insanity and laugh
21:00 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: it's because I have a stubborn faith in humanity
21:00 < aestetix> And humanity keeps letting me down
21:03 <@anarchival> EnabrinTain: I recommend all his books. I didn't get to take mycology in college (after taking three semesters of prereqs they canceled it...the bastards) but his stuff is better than a college course.
21:03 <@Dickie> I'll fix that
21:04 <@anarchival> EnabrinTain: I want a subscription to mushroom of the month :)
21:04 < aestetix> speaking of faith in humanity, anarchival how's it going
21:04 <@anarchival> NotLarry: I assure you I would never give you legal advice.
21:04 < aestetix> anarchival: you're interested in mycology?
21:05 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Now, is Dagmar sending creepy emails and blaming me for them? Probably.
21:05 <@wilpig> that's on the edge of slander there
21:06 < aestetix> eryc: I think a lot of us do that
21:06 < aestetix> the nb-discuss list is comedy gold to the point you'd think people got paid to write to it
21:07 <@anarchival> aestetix: Abandon all hope. Humanity is a shit stain on the milky way.
21:08 <@anarchival> aestetix: Yes. Although I've never tried the fun kind. It makes me sad when I think about it.
21:08 < eryc> what is mycology
21:08 < NotLarry> anarchival: you should.  I can help you hunt for them.
21:08 <@anarchival> eryc: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mycology
21:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Let me google that for you (at lmgtfy.com)
21:09 < aestetix> although nothing beats that one thread
21:09 < eryc> i dont have a web browser i'm on a teletype
21:10 < eryc> aestetix: which?
21:12 < eryc> anarchival: have you done any drugs?
21:12 < NotLarry> eryc: Have you not seen some of her posts?
21:12 < aestetix> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-June/037528.html
21:12 < aestetix> that one
21:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: [Noisebridge-discuss] It has come to my attention that... (at www.noisebridge.net)
21:12 < NotLarry> eryc: Let me go grab something off her facebook page...
21:12 < aestetix> "You see, this is just what I'm talking about. You unzip someone's pants
21:12 < aestetix> without their permission ONCE in a hackerspace, and suddenly everyone is
21:12 < aestetix> acting like that's not a mistake that *anyone* could make."
21:13 <@Dickie> who's the leadership of noisebridge
21:13 <@Dickie> don't they know they're a laughing stock?
21:13 <@anarchival> eryc: I smoked pot once.
21:14 < eryc> oh yea Danny, he's a hoot
21:14 < eryc> i've seen quite a few of his posts
21:15 <@anarchival> That is why it's important to always work alone. Screw collaboration and equipment-sharing.
21:16 <@anarchival> Who came up with the idea of putting a bunch of socially non-adept people in the same room with power tools, anyway? It seems fundamentally flawed in retrospect.
21:16 <@Dickie> inept?
21:17 <@anarchival> Dickie: Much better word usage, yes.
21:17 <@Dickie> I'm with you
21:17 <@Dickie> You nerds can be unbeeeeearable
21:18 <@anarchival> Dickie: We were just fine on the Internet. Who told us we had to meet in real life?
21:19 <@anarchival> THE POPULAR KIDS, THAT'S WHO.
21:19 <@anarchival> It's all a vast jockstrap conspiracy to get us to destroy ourselves.
21:19 <@Dickie> Yeah!
21:19 < eryc> um
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21:20 <@anarchival> Facebook? Twitter? Meetup? A Jedi craves none of these things.
21:20 < eryc> it works well in pretty much every makerspace except noisebridge
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21:20 <@NotLarry> totally worth
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21:21  * eryc hands anarchival her meds and tells her to walk down the hall
21:21 < eryc> lights out in 40 minutes
21:22 <@anarchival> Y'all love it when Dagmar does it. Hypocrites.
21:22 < eryc> anarchival: that post was pretty awesome
21:22 <@NotLarry> Dickie: have you told Olivia how you feel about her?
21:22 < eryc> er
21:22 < eryc> aestetix: that post was pretty awesome
21:23 < eryc> who is Olivia
21:24 <@Dickie> http://crystaldelights.com/store/glass-anal-plugs/crystal-delight-kitty-medallion-pink-plug-2/
21:24 <@Dickie> NotLarry: I mean, if she reads her email and twitter DMs, yes
21:29 < eryc> that's a very nice butt plug Dickie
21:29 < aestetix> vagina
21:30 <@Dickie> No. Butt.
21:30 <@Dickie> They're different
21:30 <@Dickie> We've been over this
21:34 <@wilpig> I'm seriously considering going to medeival times this weekend
21:35 <@oddball> I've always vaugely wanted to go there.
21:35 <@oddball> for the cheese of it all
21:36 <@anarchival> wilpig: Spontaneously, or after watching Knights of Badassdom?
21:36 <@oddball> heh
21:36 < eryc> i've been there before
21:36 < eryc> it's pretty cool
21:36 <@brimstone> Medieval Times is a riot
21:37 <@brimstone> much cheese
21:37 <@wilpig> anarchival: I know not of which you speak.  I just happened to realize there is one 30 minutes from here
21:38 <@oddball> You *need* to see that movie
21:38 < eryc> thats a movie
21:39 < eryc> wilpig get that movie!
21:39 < eryc> 33% on rotten tomatoes
21:40 < eryc> must be good
21:40 <@brimstone> wilpig: wait until you get a groupon for discounted tickets
21:40 <@anarchival> I am shocked - SHOCKED! - wilpig hasn't shared that one on the Super Secret Shared Server.
21:41 <@oddball> I kind of am as well.
21:42 <@anarchival> I tell one little joke about Nodevember and then https://soundcloud.com/marak/marak-the-node-js-rap
21:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Marak - The Node.js Rap by marak on SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds (at soundcloud.com)
21:42 < eryc> i thought you were talking shit about nodejs before
21:43 <@anarchival> eryc: I don't think so. "Friends Don't Let Friends Node" is from sophronix.
21:44 < eryc> i don't know these things
21:45 <@anarchival> eryc: Wait, no. You're right. I probably posted this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRbY3TMUcgQ
21:45 <@wilpig> brimstone: they have specials now for half off which is a decent price.
21:47 <@brimstone> there ya go
21:51 <@wilpig> i hate how bravely default handles friends
21:52 <@wilpig> it knows I have them registered, but it won't connect with them over the net only via streetpass
21:55 < eryc> anarchival: oh look it's Dagmar's girlfriend at 9:02
21:55 <@oddball> wilpig: It won't?  Is there something else I have to do?
21:56 <@wilpig> streetpass.
21:56 <@wilpig> just tell me which place you go near and i'll trigger one
21:56 <@oddball> bah.  Suck
21:56 <@wilpig> I agree
21:56 <@oddball> Unforntunately, my 3DS has been collecting dust for a long time.
21:57 <@oddball> I guess I'll have to go to Bongo's or something in the near future.
21:58 <@wilpig> or setup a homepass 
21:58 <@oddball> ...yeah... I guess I could do that.
22:00 <@oddball> Unfortunately, using the network at the moment, so not fucking with the mac
22:00 < eryc> these words
22:01 < eryc> what do they mean
22:02 <@wilpig> eryc: what? homepass?
22:02 < eryc> yea
22:02 < eryc> and streetpass
22:02 <@wilpig> a fake streetpass relay for the 3ds
22:02 <@wilpig> mirror one of the streetpass locations at home
22:03 < eryc> thats cool
22:03 < eryc> so what is streetpass?
22:03 <@wilpig> it's how 3ds's talk when you encounter another one
22:18 <@oddball> So... I've already figured out that the key to this game is "guard... guard... guard.... FUCK YOU!"
22:21 <@wilpig> just aout
22:21 <@wilpig> about*
22:29 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:38 <@wilpig> omg.  the second time going through all these people is rough
22:38 <@wilpig> I will say this might be my favorite way to fight some of them though.  cast reflect on your entire party then just cast group effect shit on your own group
22:40 <@oddball> wilpig: The game says that you should be able to add friends over the internet via the Adventurer.
22:42 <@wilpig> it says
22:42 <@wilpig> it lies
22:42 <@oddball> bah
22:42 <@wilpig> me and dagmar are most definitely registered.  have you hit the thing to add friends via the net?
22:43 <@oddball> not yet
22:44 <@wilpig> hit it
22:44 <@wilpig> be surprised
22:47 <@oddball> The add via the save menu does seem to just hang there, doesn't it?
22:47 <@Dagmar> If you don't have all four members in your party yet, that's why it's not enabled yet
22:47 <@wilpig> it shoudl communicate over the net
22:48 <@Dagmar> You're sort of in tutorial mode until you have Ringabel and Edea
22:48 <@oddball> Then why does it go ahead and tell me this shit?
22:49 <@oddball> Oh... the hanging part could be because my network connection has gone sideways.
22:50 <@oddball> Ok... there it goes.
22:54 < eryc> Dagmar: did you see the video with your girlfriend
23:00 <@wilpig> best defence against the red mage is reflect.  love it.
23:02 <@oddball> Ok... my 3DS is acting really damn wonky
23:09 <@oddball> for some reason, my 3DS keeps losing its network connection
23:12 <@wilpig> ap issue?
23:14 <@oddball> It was working just fine earlier.
23:14 <@oddball> Also, my 3DS froze like 4 times while I was trying to figure out what the fuck was going on.
23:14 <@wilpig> weird
23:16 < eryc> i hacked into your game dude
23:17 < eryc> i'm taking all your crystals and pots
23:17 <@oddball> Damn yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooou!
23:34 <@oddball> Hmmm... apparently there was a fairly massive update.  Maybe that will fix it.
23:35 <@NotLarry>  http://i.imgur.com/aKJVcOo.png
23:35 <@NotLarry> this does not belong here.
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