--- Log opened Sat Jan 25 00:00:55 2014 00:11 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: in all fairness, you probably shouldn't have threatened to sterilize the guy with a broken beer bottle 00:17 < aestetix> s/The Nashville tech/every/ 00:28 <@SuMo_D> ^ that 00:30 < aestetix> speaking as someone seeing drama break out in three independent groups I'm involved in right now 00:35 <@SuMo_D> I have so much love for aqua teen hunger force... specially meat wad right now... multiplying meat wad :) 00:35 <@Corydon76-work> Drama only flourishes when people refuse to confront and defuse the situation. 00:36 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAgUoSIG3Jo 00:36 < GateKeeper> Title: Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Deadlocked Again - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:36 <@Corydon76-work> It may get tense for a brief period, but getting rid of the drama bomb is worth it in the long run. 00:39 <@SuMo_D> Corydon76-work you are totally right... but unfortunately its rarer and rarer to find people that are that mature.... :/ 00:39 <@SuMo_D> who is bringing the juice boxes! 00:39 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: agreed 00:40 < aestetix> Or when they think they are right, and refuse to listen to reason. 00:40 < aestetix> er, listen to anyone else's viewpoint 00:41 <@Corydon76-work> Well, yeah, that's always going to be a problem. But hopefully when you have the discussion within the context of the larger group, the group will generally gravitate towards one view 00:41 <@Corydon76-work> Deadlocks are rare. 00:41 <@SuMo_D> key is larger group on that one... 00:41 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: do you consider "if I don't get my way I'm leaving" to be a deadlock? 00:42 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: no, that's an ultimatum 00:42 * aestetix nods 00:42 <@SuMo_D> that was the problem with out group here... it was too small... and too many different directions, eventually tore us apart :/ well... one of the problems 00:42 < aestetix> SuMo_D: that's where strong leaders come in handy 00:42 <@Corydon76-work> A deadlock is when a similar number of people on either side of an issue cannot come to an agreement, and an agreement is needed to continue business 00:43 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: got it 00:43 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: most of the drama I'm seeing is from a small minority making lots of noise 00:43 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: then it's upon them to either convince others of the rightness of their position or drop it 00:44 <@SuMo_D> a problem I see a lot lately is that people aren't willing to stick with things 00:45 <@SuMo_D> if things don't go their way all the time... they'll abandon things... which... makes it hard to do anything substantial 00:45 <@Corydon76-work> And sometimes you need a "come to Jesus" moment, to help them understand that it's their noise which is causing a larger problem than the issue causing the noise 00:45 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: logically, yes 00:46 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: in which case, you need to make the case to the majority of the community that their noise is worse than the problem they're advocating to solve 00:46 <@Corydon76-work> Only then can you get the community at large to demand an end to hostilities 00:46 <@Corydon76-work> Otherwise, you're the one making the ultimatum 00:49 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ROXLtorwY 00:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Sealab 2021 Bizarro - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:04 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18 <@NotLarry> oh god, kill me now. 01:26 * Catonic kills NotLarry 01:26 <@Catonic> No upcharge for the eight minute delay. 01:28 <@Catonic> It's goddamn difficult to be objective from time to time, and it's difficult not to take things personally. 01:31 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-50-160-240-41.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 01:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 01:31 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-50-160-240-41.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 03:01 <@NotLarry> Catonic, get of facebook, now! 03:02 <@NotLarry> I feel obliged to go play video games but there is workity work work I really would rather do so I'm gonna just sit here and watch a movie. 04:14 < aestetix> penis 04:16 -!- Vyrus001 [~Vyrus001@209.159.137.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:20 -!- Vyrus001 [~Vyrus001@209.159.137.117] has joined #se2600 04:45 -!- eryc [~eric@unaffiliated/internetjanitor] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:09 <@Catonic> NotLarry: NEVAR 05:09 <@Catonic> goddamn patches 05:09 <@Catonic> never done 06:09 <@NotLarry> Holy fuck 06:10 <@NotLarry> I was looking at something on maps.goggle and clicked the earth window. This shit moves around in 3d now. 07:49 <@NotLarry> ping Evilpig 08:48 -!- eryc [~eric@unaffiliated/internetjanitor] has joined #se2600 08:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o eryc] by ChanServ 09:30 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:46 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 09:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 10:14 <@anarchival> aestetix: You keep mentioning this "if I don't get my way, I'm leaving" thing. Should I take that as a passive-aggressive reference to me? 10:15 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 10:15 <@anarchival> Because Corydon76-work is right, that is an ultimatum. 10:16 <@anarchival> Albeit not one I expect any of the dudes who've been doing everything they can to make me feel uncomfortable and unwelcome to do anything about. 10:16 <@anarchival> The thing is, subcultures are flourishing. There are plenty of groups now for any given interest, and new groups are easy to start if the one you're in isn't the right fit. 10:17 <@anarchival> I'm not looking for a new cult to join. Like I've said before, if I wanted to sit down, shut up, and put up with misogynist bullshit, I'd go back to the Mormon Church not Nashville 2600. 10:18 * Bahhumbug hands out a tissue 10:18 <@anarchival> I feel some nostalgia towards 2600 and PN. They were one of the first groups of hackers I ever joined, and despite the chauvinist bullshit handed out by many of the members even back then, it opened my eyes to a lot of things I still care about. 10:19 <@anarchival> That's the only reason I decided to return, after certain officers reassured me I could make some needed contributions. 10:20 <@Bahhumbug> Do you even _hear_ yourself? You are, without _any_ doubt, the single most chauvinistic person in this channel. 10:20 <@anarchival> If those contributions aren't in fact needed by the group, if in fact y'all don't want to make a few adjustments that would make more women feel welcomed... 10:20 <@eryc> everything is about you 10:20 <@anarchival> then it sounds like the best idea is for me to leave, right? 10:20 <@Bahhumbug> I direct you to the definition of "misandrist". 10:21 <@anarchival> That's not "I'm taking my toys and going somewhere else!" 10:21 <@anarchival> That's "hey it looks like y'all aren't my tribe after all, best wishes, I'll just be over here now." 10:21 * Bahhumbug waves 10:21 <@Bahhumbug> See ya. 10:22 <@anarchival> Don't get too excited, Bahhumbug. My fear that I'm going to get raped at PN might be an overreaction. Maybe I should stick around... 10:22 <@Bahhumbug> I wouldn't hold my breath on the rape thing. Even hackers have standards. 10:23 <@eryc> you know who's getting raped right now though.. weev 10:23 <@Bahhumbug> Yay! 10:23 <@Bahhumbug> You just made my morning :) 10:23 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks :) 10:23 <@anarchival> Poor little trolls. 10:24 -!- anarchival was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [shoo] 10:24 <@klixa> future non feminist hacker https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/1656254_240763979439135_641578387_n.jpg 10:24 <@klixa> klixa 2.0 10:24 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 10:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 10:24 <@Bahhumbug> Cute kid. 10:24 <@SuMo_D> awwww 10:24 <@anarchival> Here we go again. You're an exemplar of open exchange, Bahhumbug. 10:24 <@klixa> she has a mowhawk...lol 10:25 <@Bahhumbug> And you're a chuavinistic, misandrist bitch. 10:25 <@SuMo_D> :) get her stylin' early 10:25 * Bahhumbug shrugs 10:25 <@klixa> i took that pic this morning 10:25 <@eryc> anarchival: you seem to be emotionally unstable 10:25 <@klixa> SuMo_D: its natural..the mowhawk..its common for newborn hair to do that 10:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [-o Bahhumbug] by anarchival 10:25 < Bahhumbug> hahahaha 10:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Bahhumbug] by ChanServ 10:25 <@SuMo_D> I know lol - but still - baby style love 10:26 -!- anarchival was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [Let's see...] 10:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+b $a:anarchival] by Bahhumbug 10:27 <@Bahhumbug> Now, if it's even a fraction as intelligent as it claims it will be back soon. 10:27 <@SuMo_D> did you just ban her? 10:27 <@klixa> yup 10:28 <@Bahhumbug> By account name. 10:28 <@klixa> but i think just her nick 10:28 <@klixa> nm 10:28 <@Bahhumbug> Most people don't know the extended ban masks available here. 10:28 <@Bahhumbug> \$a is account name :) 10:28 <@SuMo_D> yeah, she's probably crying right now.... or trying to figure out a way to change it 10:28 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: Please see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml for information on the various freenode user and channel flags. 10:28 < GateKeeper> Title: freenode: using the network (at freenode.net) 10:28 <@Bahhumbug> The extban sequences are outlined there. 10:29 <@Bahhumbug> Or she's on the phone with McElroy or jonnyX crying to them. 10:29 <@Bahhumbug> Either way, I _really_ couldn't care any less :) 10:29 <@SuMo_D> see... ok... I found out about this channel cause I went to PN right? I met some of you guys, it was fun... yes, there's some things that could be tweaked a bit that made me uncomfortable as a woman, but they were discussed with individuals and people in here 10:30 <@SuMo_D> and it was all cool 10:30 <@Bahhumbug> I am the first to admit I am an asshole. 10:30 <@klixa> my view is if you dont like it here dont come here and bitch just stay the hell away 10:30 <@Bahhumbug> But she makes me look like Ghandi. 10:30 <@SuMo_D> some people agreed, some didn't and yet... it didn't devolve into whatever that was 10:30 <@Bahhumbug> She's a misandrist. And until she admits that to herself this is going to be the same song and dance daily. 10:31 <@eryc> this is the 2nd time in a week that she's started lashing out and attacking everyone 10:31 <@SuMo_D> only 2nd? 10:31 <@Bahhumbug> Christ, eryc and I really don't like each other nor do we agree on much of anything. But even _we_ are on the same page here. 10:31 <@eryc> well, in extended rant form 10:31 <@Bahhumbug> And... 10:31 <@Bahhumbug> that scares me. 10:31 <@eryc> the last time she tried to get personal and it was really weird 10:31 <@SuMo_D> she gets personal too... she tore down Rangerz about not knowing CS 10:32 <@Bahhumbug> She's a drunk. 10:32 <@SuMo_D> which... is so dumb 10:32 <@Bahhumbug> She acts like it here every time she opens her mouth. 10:32 <@SuMo_D> anyway, yeah... I never felt I would get raped at Phreaknic 10:33 <@SuMo_D> if that means anything to anybody 10:33 <@Bahhumbug> It actually means something to me. 10:33 <@Bahhumbug> If I thought that anyone in this venue would act like that I would insta-/part 10:33 <@Bahhumbug> She's a drama-queen. 10:34 <@Bahhumbug> (Does that apply to women as well? I honestly don't know.) 10:34 <@klixa> it does 10:34 <@Bahhumbug> She just wants to rock the boat while trying to further her agenda. 10:34 <@klixa> borderline personality disorder also applies 10:34 <@Bahhumbug> And since she comes across as a complete tool that whole agenda thing isn't moving very fast, if at all. 10:34 <@SuMo_D> I did think you guys needed to maybe rethink the t-shirt design last year, that was a bit much little too pornesque/bondagey and wan't in the mood for it 10:35 <@klixa> what did the tshirt look like 10:35 <@SuMo_D> it was a robot lady with big boobs and x tape on her nipples saying isn't the future wonderful or something like that? 10:35 <@SuMo_D> I was like.. Ooooook 10:36 <@klixa> well, it is called phreaknic 10:36 <@SuMo_D> that was my first impression walking in the door of this great conference my friend's had told me about for a year 10:36 <@SuMo_D> yeah... 10:36 <@SuMo_D> I just wasn't in the mood 10:36 <@SuMo_D> and still think it was a bit much 10:36 <@klixa> i have mixed views on that...im a prude and i know it...but this is a man's world...and i mean, men arent going to tupperware parties and asking for less pink sparkly things 10:36 <@klixa> com0uters=mans world* 10:36 <@Bahhumbug> This is not a man's world. 10:36 <@Bahhumbug> This is a world. 10:36 <@Bahhumbug> Period. 10:37 <@SuMo_D> right, one person was like well the orgy shirt one year was worse! 10:37 <@SuMo_D> I'd have preferred an orgy shirt... 10:37 <@Bahhumbug> I've taken a back seat on this whole gender thing for many reasons. But frankly I think both sides are right and wrong at the same time. 10:37 <@SuMo_D> at least there everyone is getting fucked... 10:37 <@eryc> those shirts were only for the orgy participants 10:37 <@Bahhumbug> And until the extremists (such as tools like anarchival) pull their heads out of their asses nothing will change. 10:38 <@NotLarry> There was not an orgy shirt, it was clustering 10:38 <@Bahhumbug> Because they need the drama to feel relevant. 10:38 <@SuMo_D> well that's how it was described to me notlarry by one of the organizers 10:38 <@SuMo_D> I don't think I actually saw it 10:38 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: if this werent male dominated, the shiurt wouldnt have been a porno robot... maybe you mean it shoudl jsut be a world? i dunno... for the record i am not complaing nor do i care...i view cmputers as male dominated..and as a result it caters more towards men 10:38 <@klixa> and i have no issue with that 10:39 <@NotLarry> I bought it for my business partner at the time because I knew he would not be able to wear it in public. 10:39 <@sdodson> why are you freaks up so early? 10:39 <@klixa> sdodson: dude we havent sept yet 10:39 * klixa hands sdodson a beer 10:39 <@klixa> part-ayyyy 10:39 * eryc passes out more LSD 10:39 <@sdodson> YEAH! 10:39 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: I've not seen the shirt. 10:40 <@Bahhumbug> Mmmm.... 10:40 <@Bahhumbug> blotter or dot? 10:40 <@SuMo_D> see here's the thing, we had lots of productive conversations about gender for about 3 months... then anarchival rolls in and is like YOU DON'T RESPECT MY VAGINA! it was a bit much... 10:40 <@NotLarry> I view a male dominated computer world as payback for the little girls who fucked with my head when I was a child and drove me to machines. But that is just me. I also grow mushrooms. 10:40 <@sdodson> I think I'm getting old, all of my friends and I were complaining about how loud the band was last night at world of beer. 10:40 <@Bahhumbug> If it was Bieber it might have been a real concern, sdodson. 10:41 <@sdodson> Bahhumbug, it was just some cover band 10:41 <@SuMo_D> I mean how many conversations did aestetix start about TruceCon and all that mess... where we actually discussed something 10:41 <@klixa> NotLarry: i dont mind it being male dominated....lke i said men arent going into women's domains and demanding less pink sparkly things 10:41 <@NotLarry> Seriously, I always want more ping sparkly things. 10:42 <@Bahhumbug> SuMo_D: To be fair, I mentally ignored most of past gender conversations. 10:42 <@Bahhumbug> But they did appear, at a glance, to be fairly in depth. 10:42 <@klixa> NotLarry: ikr 10:42 <@NotLarry> Damn, now you have me thinking about moding my computer... 10:42 <@Bahhumbug> Ie. meaningful conversation. 10:42 <@sdodson> A good friend of mine has turned hyper feminist and anti-racist. He keeps saying that everything is either sexist or racist in the context of white male dominated world. Which bugs me so much. There are definitely things that are either of those... 10:42 <@NotLarry> I just find any discussion on the internet where you have to identify your gender as a simple case of togtfo. 10:42 <@SuMo_D> Bahhumbug and that's fine too... I mean not everyone is interested in these things 10:43 <@sdodson> but if your reasoning for saying that they are is 100% dependent on saying "well it's racist in the context of white priviledge dominated world" then it's BS 10:43 <@NotLarry> The only reason I know SuMo_D's gender is that hot drunken night in Murfreesboro. 10:43 <@sdodson> Either it is or it isn't. 10:43 <@NotLarry> come to think of it, I didn't check the gender... 10:43 <@klixa> NotLarry: thats how i know too...damnit SuMo_D you said i was the only one 10:43 * klixa cries 10:43 <@SuMo_D> NotLarry its cause I stole your pi :P 10:44 <@NotLarry> SuMo_D: you misspelled virginity 10:44 <@SuMo_D> but really, the best conversation I had at PN was a 4+ hour long one about Maker vs Hacker culture and how things are changing with the younger generation coming up 10:44 <@klixa> maker? 10:45 <@SuMo_D> my brother helped start Noisebridge, I grew up with hackers, but I identify more with the Maker culture (but still love you guys) 10:45 <@NotLarry> That is where we use tools. When I was your age we called it shop:) 10:45 <@klixa> SuMo_D: whats the maker culture 10:45 <@NotLarry> literally 10:45 <@SuMo_D> klixa have you ever seen Make magazine or heard of the Maker Faires ? 10:45 <@klixa> nope 10:46 <@klixa> i dont know what culture i indentify with...honestly i dont feel like i belong anywhere 10:46 <@SuMo_D> google it on youtube, basically its a lot more education and kid based and computers are cool! Everyone can learn! 10:46 <@sdodson> I see Maker as the intersection of crafting and electronics 10:47 <@SuMo_D> which... is a lot different than a traditional hacker culture that is self taught, and worked really really hard to acquire their skills 10:47 <@klixa> im self taught 10:47 <@NotLarry> klixa: you are fine right here with me. Just snuggle in and have some popcorn. This show only gets better and better... 10:47 <@SuMo_D> sdodson that's a pretty fair assessment 10:47 <@klixa> autididactism 10:47 <@klixa> NotLarry: i am kinda cold...sooo what are we watching 10:48 <@sdodson> Ooh, I made a sock puppet, but its eyes pulse and it talks to you based on a program I wrote. 10:48 <@SuMo_D> anyway speaking of makers and kids and budding young hackers I gotta go teach our raspi programming workshop - Peace y'all - don't feed the trolls 10:48 <@SuMo_D> Oh one of our kids asked for a subscription to 2600 for Christmas 10:48 <@SuMo_D> so we must be doing something right... 10:49 <@eryc> feed me! 10:49 <@klixa> SuMo_D: where maker+hacker collide: http://www.adafruit.com/category/92 10:49 < GateKeeper> Title: FLORA : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits (at www.adafruit.com) 10:49 <@NotLarry> I was thinking about All Is Lost. I like me some Redford... 10:49 <@sdodson> Does 2600 have interesting things in it these days? 10:49 <@SuMo_D> yep I'm an adafruit distributor... I love their stuff <3 10:49 <@klixa> i tried to pirate a copy of it 10:49 <@klixa> but i couldnt find it 10:49 <@SuMo_D> sparkfun is great too 10:49 <@klixa> SuMo_D: me tooo 10:49 <@klixa> i wanna make a led bracelet 10:49 <@eryc> sdodson: they still make 2600? 10:50 <@klixa> and i wannt to make some led baby clothes with a <3 10:50 <@klixa> on it 10:50 <@klixa> that lights up... a light up <3 10:50 <@sdodson> eryc, I bet they still republish how to blue box 10:50 <@SuMo_D> Do it! 10:50 <@klixa> SuMo_D: i plan to 10:50 <@SuMo_D> they have the awesome neo pixel sets 10:50 <@klixa> :D 10:50 <@NotLarry> I can give you the dialogue if you got a minute. 10:50 <@SuMo_D> also the lillypad board is great 10:50 <@NotLarry> "Help" 10:50 <@NotLarry> "FUUUUUUUUCK!" 10:50 <@klixa> SuMo_D: im nust now learning about what is available 10:50 <@NotLarry> I think that is it. 10:50 <@eryc> fyi you can get neo pixels half price from china 10:51 <@klixa> SuMo_D: k, from reading about it...maker culture is somethign i am into...i make things 10:51 <@NotLarry> The league players in Taiwan think I'm a woman. 10:51 <@klixa> im all about DIY 10:51 <@klixa> etc 10:52 <@NotLarry> I just try to be the handyman. 10:52 <@SuMo_D> klixa its amazing... there's so much out there now... really really cool stuff and they just keep coming out with more :) - if you want to get started in learning arduino the spark fun inventors kit is a good place to start and their manual is open source so can download it and get the components cheaper elsewhere 10:52 <@NotLarry> Corydon76-work: no, I said handy, not hand... 10:52 <@SuMo_D> anyway we'll talk more later <3 - have a good day everyone ttyl 10:52 <@klixa> bye SuMo_D 10:52 <@NotLarry> teach! 10:52 <@klixa> i will miss you :/ 10:53 <@eryc> you're all alone now klixa 10:53 * sdodson circles 10:53 <@klixa> i know o-O 10:53 <@NotLarry> Stop it! Y'all are creeping me out. 10:54 <@NotLarry> Ok, I got 5 day to get to New York... 10:54 <@klixa> it only takes one 10:54 <@NotLarry> s/day/days 10:55 <@Bahhumbug> That's a really long walk. 10:55 <@sdodson> It'll be a new aged trail of tears 10:55 <@Bahhumbug> By the end I'm pretty sure I would be in tears. 10:55 * eryc hands out cattle prods 10:56 <@sdodson> weren't there cattle prods at phreaknic? 10:56 <@NotLarry> That looks rather phallic eryc. 10:56 <@NotLarry> jonnyX brought it one or two years. 10:56 <@eryc> don't stroke your prod NotLarry 10:57 * eryc zaps Bahhumbug 10:58 <@NotLarry> ok, that's it, I'm going back to facebook 10:58 <@NotLarry> sdodson: nice to hear you in here. 10:58 <@sdodson> NotLarry, I got lost and I can't figure out how to get back out. 10:58 <@eryc> save us 11:00 <@SuMo_D> oh man... anarchival is PMing me... asking how the channel is... 11:01 <@SuMo_D> its imploded into a fire ball of dicks... is that a good response? 11:01 <@eryc> close enough 11:02 <@Bahhumbug> That's an awesome reply. 11:03 <@SuMo_D> oh now she's giving me the oh woe is me... I've been banned.... told her I had to go... which I do.. coffee and food and children await 11:03 <@eryc> bye SuMo_D! 11:03 <@SuMo_D> lator gators 11:14 <@klixa> cant she unban herself? 11:14 <@klixa> i mean, shes in the op list 11:14 <@Bahhumbug> Public Service: /ignore anarchival 11:14 <@Bahhumbug> She can. If she knows how. 11:15 <@Bahhumbug> And it's quite apparent that the intellect she's mentioned a time or two... isn't. 11:16 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: im gonna guess, woudl it be like this: /msg chanserv #se2600 -b $a:anarchival ? 11:17 <@Bahhumbug> /cs help unban 11:17 <@Shadow404> meow 11:17 <@klixa> :P 11:17 <@Bahhumbug> /mode #channel -b banmask 11:18 <@klixa> /mode is only when in the channel tho 11:19 <@Bahhumbug> /mode without a #channel specified will operate on the current channel in most clients. 11:19 <@klixa> shes banned tho and not in here 11:19 <@klixa> anyway, i know how shed do it now... 11:19 <@Bahhumbug> True. 11:20 <@klixa> /msg ChanServ UNBAN #se2600 woudl do it 11:20 <@Bahhumbug> Yep. 11:20 <@sdodson> eryc, what do i need to get in order for my raspberry pi to control either a stop light with either 120V incandescent bulbs or an array of leds? 11:20 <@sdodson> someone got banned? 11:21 <@Shadow404> who banned her? 11:21 <@klixa> yes... anarchival... tho im sure she will get someone to overturn it... 11:21 <@Bahhumbug> I did. 11:21 <@Shadow404> why? 11:21 <@klixa> really? 11:21 <@Shadow404> what did she do? 11:21 <@klixa> existed 11:21 <@Shadow404> im not arguing, just curious? 11:21 <@Shadow404> hhehe 11:21 <@Bahhumbug> Because she's a sexist loud-mouthed bitch. 11:22 <@klixa> ^^ 11:22 <@Shadow404> ok, i approve then 11:22 <@Bahhumbug> She's an misandrist and yet calls _us_ chauvinists. 11:22 <@klixa> she's a mysogonist...shes not exactly nice to women either 11:22 <@Bahhumbug> So she can go off and quietly cry in a corner until she cons^Wconvinces someone to unban her. 11:23 <@sdodson> what was she saying she wanted to do for phreaknic? 11:23 <@klixa> not get raped 11:24 <@Shadow404> have a vag class? 11:24 <@klixa> >implying people want to rape her 11:24 <@Shadow404> yah, pass 11:24 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: As I said, even hackers have standards. I don't think she has much to fear on that front. 11:24 <@Bahhumbug> (No, I am not downplaying rape.) 11:24 <@klixa> she doesn't ahev to much to fear because it was a ridiculous assertion 11:24 <@klixa> meant only to get attention 11:25 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: of course not, if anyone is downplaying rape she was 11:25 <@klixa> was/s/is 11:25 <@Shadow404> yeah, dont get me wrong, big girls are fun sometimes, but from what i was able to get on her, she aint even worth being interested in 11:26 <@Shadow404> .... 11:26 <@Shadow404> and rape is a b.s. thing to say 11:26 <@Shadow404> if she had an actual case of something that happened or almost happened 11:26 <@Shadow404> thats another story 11:26 <@Shadow404> if she outright came in here and said that....bs 11:26 <@klixa> i dont think its about her appearence Shadow404 11:27 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:28 * klixa doesnt even know what she looks like 11:28 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:28 < aestetix> So uh 11:28 < aestetix> for the record, my line about "if I don't get my way" had nothing to do with anarchival or whatever 11:29 <@Bahhumbug> Of course it didn't. 11:29 <@sdodson> and Shadow404 torpedos a conversation 11:29 < aestetix> It was about some drama on a mailing list totally independent of se2600 11:29 < aestetix> Why the hell did she think it had anything to do with her? 11:30 <@klixa> aestetix: duh, everythign is about her 11:30 <@klixa> anyway, im glad shes gone now everything can be about me, like it's supposed to be! :| 11:31 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: It was an attempt to act relevant. 11:31 <@Bahhumbug> It failed. 11:31 <@Shadow404> sdodson: how did i torpedo it? 11:32 <@Shadow404> klixa: me!!!!! 11:32 <@Shadow404> not you 11:34 < aestetix> case in point, if I have an issue with someone here, I tell them. 11:35 < aestetix> What I did here earlier was a form of venting so that I could reply to the idiot on the mailing list in a more reasoned fashion 11:36 <@klixa> ok...its all about Shadow404 11:36 <@klixa> lets talk about NASA now...for shq 11:36 <@klixa> Shadow404: * 11:36 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36 <@klixa> and about being 6 foot 7 11:36 < aestetix> oh shit sumo_d just left, she must be mad at me 11:36 < aestetix> ;) 11:36 <@klixa> she is..she told me 11:37 <@Shadow404> you know what aestetix....FUCK YOU 11:37 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has left #se2600 [] 11:37 <@klixa> she said "i have to go teach some kids" <---cant you see the aestetix hate there? 11:37 < aestetix> wow 11:37 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 11:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Shadow404] by ChanServ 11:37 < aestetix> I wish I'd known getting rid of Shadow404 would be that easy 11:37 * Shadow404 hugs aestetix 11:37 < aestetix> fuck 11:37 <@Shadow404> fucker 11:37 <@klixa> lmfao 11:38 <@Shadow404> oh yeah, so NASA 11:38 <@Shadow404> http://www.snsweather.com:81/NasaSocialTDRSL/index.htm 11:38 < GateKeeper> Title: TDRS-L NASA Social 01/23/2014 (at www.snsweather.com:81) 11:38 <@Shadow404> enjoy 11:41 <@klixa> Shadow404: why were you at the NASA thing anyway 11:41 <@Shadow404> Nasa Social 11:41 <@Shadow404> got behind the scene access most paid tours dont get 11:42 <@klixa> Shadow404: ok i dont know you or anything about you...lets start at the beginning 11:42 <@Shadow404> i like long walk on the beach 11:42 <@Shadow404> computer games 11:42 <@Shadow404> my fav color is red 11:42 * Shadow404 waits for aestetix to make a smart ass comment 11:43 <@Shadow404> .... 11:43 <@klixa> im sure aestetix likes long walks on teh beach too ...why would he make a smart ass comment 11:43 <@klixa> anyway..continue... 11:43 * eryc kicks Shadow404 11:43 <@eryc> why did you get invited to nasa social 11:44 <@Shadow404> eryc: cause i had an active space related twitter feed and interest in nasa 11:44 <@Shadow404> and applied when the event was posted and got selected 11:44 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44 <@Shadow404> look up nasa social 11:44 <@Shadow404> you'll get the idea 11:44 <@eryc> got it 11:44 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 11:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 11:44 <@eryc> you applied, linked your twit feed, got accepted 11:44 <@klixa> thank you eryc, i didn't want to be rude, but that was the part i was waiting for 11:44 <@klixa> and damnit i got disco-ed 11:45 <@klixa> damit Shadow404 you are soooo tall 11:45 <@Shadow404> eryc: basically 11:46 <@Shadow404> yep, thats me 11:46 <@Shadow404> one sec 11:46 <@Shadow404> ill gie you a better perspective of height 11:46 < aestetix> penis 11:47 < aestetix> rattle: btw, ping me when you're around 11:47 <@Shadow404> https://twitter.com/NASASocial/status/426388501811458049/photo/1 11:47 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / NASASocial: The #TDRS #NASASocial group ... (at twitter.com) 11:47 <@Shadow404> click on the picture 11:48 <@Shadow404> top row just to the right of the rocket 11:48 <@klixa> yeah you showed us this yesterday or the day before 11:48 <@klixa> i forget when 11:49 <@klixa> i was only an inch off when i guessed yoru height...i guess it really is all about YOU :P 11:49 <@klixa> hehe 11:49 <@eryc> cut him some slack he doesn't get as much oxygen up there 11:49 <@klixa> food bill is prolly outraegeous too... 11:49 <@klixa> and clothing ...hard to find 11:49 * klixa feels sorry for Shadow404 11:50 <@Shadow404> yep 11:50 <@Shadow404> not to mention every piece of damn furniture or cars are made for midgets like you normal people 11:50 <@klixa> i used to date a guy tat was 6 foot 6...taht was when episide 1 came out..and they had carboard jar jar posters everywhere 11:50 <@klixa> and jar jar is also like 6 foot 6 or something 11:51 <@eryc> did he have a big penis too 11:51 <@klixa> eryc: i never saw his penis 11:51 <@eryc> much like jar jar then 11:52 < aestetix> you obviously didn't date him for long 11:52 <@klixa> no, i didnt...just a few weeks 11:52 < aestetix> Did you ever have sex with him? 11:52 < aestetix> ah ok 11:52 <@Shadow404> aestetix: well, she could of had sex in the dark and still not "seen" it? 11:52 <@Shadow404> you didnt say "or feel it".... 11:52 <@klixa> we didnt get that far 11:52 <@klixa> all we did was kiss 11:53 < aestetix> I guess he was not a good kisser 11:53 < aestetix> Or did he fart while kissing you or something? 11:54 <@klixa> the semester ended and he went back home to little rock... 11:54 <@klixa> he kissed just fine 11:54 <@Shadow404> aestetix: ive done that before 11:54 <@Shadow404> fart during kissing 11:55 <@klixa> id laugh 11:55 <@Shadow404> exactly the response i got 11:57 <@Shadow404> heh, smoke detector is the easiest device to pair to IRIS 11:58 < aestetix> What if you poop your pants while kissing, and it turns into a lingering stench? 11:58 <@klixa> that's a bad day 12:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b $a:anarchival] by ChanServ 12:00 <@eryc> oh good 12:00 <@klixa> did she figure it out 12:00 <@eryc> i was getting bored 12:00 <@klixa> or did one of YOU do it 12:00 <@eryc> probably Shadow404 12:01 <@klixa> damn you Shadow404 12:01 <@klixa> ok i am at starbucks... 12:01 <@klixa> and theres this cuple 12:01 <@klixa> a man and a woman... perfect christian types 12:02 <@klixa> sampling all tehse cupcakes to decide what flavor wedding cake to heave 12:02 <@klixa> this man... wtf is wrong with him? was he castrated? 12:02 < aestetix> ask them how often they have sex 12:02 <@klixa> i mean, in theory its all cute what they are doing...but to actually see him , gross 12:02 <@eryc> free cake man 12:03 <@klixa> hes being forced to analyse the subltle nuances of EVERY flavor tho 12:03 <@klixa> and like what i see is chocolate and vanilla...but apprently my eyes deceive me 12:03 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: First world problems 12:03 <@eryc> this is exactly why i dont want a wedding 12:03 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 12:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 12:04 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: yes 12:04 <@Corydon76-work> BTW, that's my ringtone right now 12:04 <@klixa> aestetix: from the looks of things, not often... i mean... i dunno... he has this look of inner misery about him 12:05 <@klixa> like "zomg i have to marry this woman, and always act domesticated" 12:05 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, wait, it's not. Ringtone right now is "Your friend Wil" 12:05 <@Corydon76-work> It has been in the past, however. 12:06 <@eryc> thanks for sharing 12:06 <@klixa> i dont have a phone...so i have no ringtine 12:06 * klixa has a phobia of talking on voice 12:06 <@Corydon76-work> eryc: It's only because I know you care. 12:06 <@eryc> <3 12:06 <@klixa> eryc does care...he spent like 5 hours last night talking to me about your ringtone Corydon76-work 12:07 <@eryc> then we had cybersex 12:07 <@klixa> ssshhh 12:07 <@eryc> oops 12:08 <@klixa> you're sleeping on the cybercouch tonight eryc :| 12:08 <@Corydon76-work> btw, I generally reserve 'tfs' for when somebody announces something gross, like "Gotta go take a shit" 12:08 <@eryc> can i have the stuffed dolphin to cuddle with? 12:09 <@klixa> sure eryc, sure 12:09 <@klixa> bbl 12:09 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 < aestetix> Gotta go take a shit 12:15 <@eryc> need help? 12:16 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I can always count on your to heighten the caliber of conversation. 12:18 <@Shadow404> *you 12:18 <@eryc> *calibre 12:40 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 12:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 12:41 <@benthemeek> jonnyx: can you be persuaded to allow me to come help you with your pipe problem? 12:45 <@Corydon76-work> Frozen pipes? 12:47 <@Shadow404> thats what she said 12:48 <@NotLarry> jesus, y'all banned anarwhatername for talking about rap? I missed all the rap talk. I always hated rap and don't think it has a place at phreaknic... 12:48 <@NotLarry> oh, wait, I missread that. 12:49 <@benthemeek> Heard about the interview yet NotLarry? 12:49 <@NotLarry> flying to newyorkcity 12:49 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Bahhumbug bans me for sport. There's not much rhyme or reason for it. 12:49 <@NotLarry> shit, don't sneak up behind me like that! 12:49 <@NotLarry> I asked that they fly me up early in the week and home late in the week. I hope that was not out of line. 12:50 <@Corydon76-work> Heh 12:50 <@benthemeek> Sight seeing? 12:50 <@NotLarry> But if I'm gonna even consider that kind of move I want to hang out and get drunk a couple times first. 12:50 <@NotLarry> yeah, I mean sight seeing 12:50 <@benthemeek> lol 12:50 <@NotLarry> I put a post on craigslist about wanting a place to crash for the week. The responses are promising 12:51 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: I think NYC has potential. You wouldn't have to pass out in the same dark alley every night 12:51 <@Corydon76-work> A new alley every night! 12:52 <@NotLarry> Sorry, I misspelled interesting 12:52 <@NotLarry> Damn, I mean scary 12:52 <@benthemeek> not gonna hang with wil? 12:52 <@NotLarry> Yeah probably 12:52 <@NotLarry> but it is fun to read the responses 12:52 <@NotLarry> and actually, there are aparently some people who rent out rooms for tourists 12:53 <@eryc> you've never heard of airbnb? 12:53 <@NotLarry> I have now. 12:53 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: Didn't they make a movie about that? Called "Hostel"? 12:53 <@NotLarry> Interesting fact: Debbie never gets to Dallas... 12:54 <@NotLarry> And actually, round trip greyhound is only $198. 12:54 <@NotLarry> on an "E" bus, electricity, high speed internet, no transfers 12:55 <@eryc> can't you fly for another $50 12:55 <@NotLarry> Yeah, but I can take a family of five in my bags if I take greyhound, you can't even get your shampoo on the plane:) 12:56 <@Shadow404> true, about the bags 12:56 <@Shadow404> thats a tested fact 12:56 <@NotLarry> And I was told that I wound need to wear a thong and flipflops to fly. 12:56 <@Shadow404> thats the fun part 12:56 <@NotLarry> It's not like I'm gonna get through airport security without triggering a cavity search. 12:56 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: I would pay NOT to see that 12:57 <@NotLarry> I link you the paypal account. 12:57 <@NotLarry> It is a weekly payment, like protection. 12:58 <@Corydon76-work> You actually have to plausibly threaten me with the image, first. 12:59 <@NotLarry> http://5z8.info/dont-just-drizzle_s8x3ij_kkkhttp://5z8.info/dont-just-drizzle_s8x3ij_kkk 12:59 < GateKeeper> Title: ShadyURL - Don't just shorten your URL, make it suspicious and frightening. (at 5z8.info) 12:59 <@NotLarry> weird 12:59 <@NotLarry> that domain is blocked 12:59 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 12:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 13:00 <@NotLarry> Corydon76-work: are you sure you want to risk actualy seeing that? I mean, it's not like you imagine and it will never leave your mind. 13:00 <@NotLarry> hey, klixa, I've been trying to call you but you don't have a phone. 13:00 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: I've seen a sampling of what Virgil has to offer. Lots of worse stuff has left my mind. 13:00 <@klixa> NotLarry: lol 13:02 <@Corydon76-work> So are propane tank sales here in Middle Tennessee insanely expensive, or does that only apply to truck deliveries? 13:02 <@NotLarry> I've been watching this league of legends stream for taiwan and they asked me to stop posting in chinese. Not sure what I said but they told me to stick with english. 13:03 <@NotLarry> like, the big tanks? or the bbq tanks? 13:03 <@Corydon76-work> BBQ tanks 13:03 <@NotLarry> $59 at walmart 13:03 <@NotLarry> $19 to swap for a full one. 13:03 <@NotLarry> So, yeah, the tank is $40 13:04 <@NotLarry> Wow, I feel so redneck knowing that. 13:04 <@Corydon76-work> I have a small portable heater that I'd like to use in my shed, while I'd doing a project, but if it's going to cost me $100 to get a BBQ tank, I'll wait a couple weeks until the crisis is over 13:04 <@Catonic> finally got mail fixed. damn. 13:04 <@Catonic> supposedly proprane is lighter than air, natural gas isn't. or vice versa. 13:05 <@Corydon76-work> I believe what passes for propane is more dense than what passes for natural gas. 13:05 <@Catonic> hehe 13:06 <@Corydon76-work> They're both combinations of multiple compounds. What passes for propane is surprisingly a combination. 13:06 <@Corydon76-work> Though I'm sure you could get chemically pure propane if you wanted 13:06 <@Corydon76-work> This whole mind going shit is for the dogs. 13:07 <@klixa> k..my baby is almost months old now...i think its time for her first laptop :| 13:07 <@Corydon76-work> I'm just glad that it's not bad enough yet; y'all can still decipher what I'm trying to say. 13:09 <@NotLarry> klixa: I have the most adorable picture if Ice sitting at the computer. I had to get him one for his first birthday because he wouldn't leave mine alone. 13:09 <@klixa> NotLarry: can i see it 13:10 <@klixa> mine likes my nexus 7...well she likes looking at pics on it....she likes pics in general...especially of animals 13:10 <@NotLarry> It isn't online. 13:10 <@klixa> ok 13:10 <@NotLarry> You need to get Putt Putt 13:11 <@klixa> my stepdaughter, she knew more about computers at age 4 than her fathet 13:11 <@klixa> father* 13:12 <@NotLarry> http://5z8.info/yourdick_lvpn 13:12 < GateKeeper> Title: Putt-Putt (series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at 5z8.info) 13:12 <@NotLarry> You will hate me.:) 13:12 <@klixa> lol 13:12 <@NotLarry> Those need to be ported to android 13:13 <@NotLarry> You will know all the words to all the songs. 13:13 <@klixa> i used to know all the words to the lazytown songs 13:14 <@NotLarry> looks like they can be played 13:14 <@NotLarry> I miss the old steve from blues clues:( ok, I'm sad now, going home... 13:15 <@klixa> i remembre steve 13:31 <@Evilpig> just got to drive my truck for the first time in 4 months. oh how I missed it 13:31 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/s90e95vsdc8cgeh/2014-01-25%2013.22.57.png 13:31 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-01-25 13.22.57.png (at www.dropbox.com) 13:35 <@klixa> Evilpig: are you gonna get to take your tour at all? 13:38 <@Evilpig> not this trip 13:38 <@klixa> awe :/ that's too bad 13:38 <@Evilpig> guessing i'm gonna have to fly down here and rent a car specifically to do it 13:39 <@Evilpig> use that other $500 that I was trying to bribe my sister into making her husband take her name with to come down and do it 13:40 <@klixa> that was a complicated sentence to read... 13:49 <@Evilpig> luckily lowes isn't too far from here. I'll pop over there and grab some sand and be set for this drive tomorrow 13:51 * klixa likes road trips 13:51 <@klixa> preferably long ones from the east to the west coast 13:55 <@Evilpig> I just got an email that my order is ready for pickup. bbl 13:55 <@klixa> bye 14:15 -!- sync350 [~sync@2601:0:bd80:2a6:b43f:df9d:42f2:39e1] has joined #se2600 14:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 14:23 <@Corydon76-work> Any material science geeks? Is "roiled steel" just a misspelling of "rolled steel", or is there something I'm not seeing on Google? 14:31 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Roiling is melting down into a liquid and stirring, so I could imagine there's such a thing as roiled steel, although that should refer to a stage in the metallurgical process not something you would buy, for instance. 14:31 <@Dagmar> I'm thinkin' it's a typo 14:31 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I've never actually heard of roiled steel, so you're probably right. 14:31 <@anarchival> I mean Dagmar is right. 14:31 <@Dagmar> Would you want lumpy, bubbled steel? 14:32 <@Corydon76-work> I'm creating some shelves for use in a rack, and I'm trying to decide between materials 14:32 <@Corydon76-work> Aluminum is what I've used before, because it's light and highly resistant to corrosion 14:32 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: You want rolled steel not roiled steel. In that context, it must be a typo. 14:32 <@Corydon76-work> But I'm now looking into hot-rolled vs cold-rolled steel 14:33 <@Corydon76-work> Steel is also stronger than aluminum, though I'm not sure if it matters for my application 14:33 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_%28metalworking%29 14:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Rolling (metalworking) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 14:34 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, that's what I'm looking at now 14:34 <@Corydon76-work> Cold rolled is harder and less flexible, it seems 14:35 <@anarchival> Cold rolled is also more uniform 14:35 <@Corydon76-work> Errr, doesn't look like it's available at Lowe's, though 14:35 <@anarchival> If you're going to buy hot rolled steel and want a certain size or shape, you need to go inspect it with your ruler before you buy it 14:36 <@Corydon76-work> I'm just going to be cutting it down to 2 foot lengths anyway 14:36 <@anarchival> basically if you just want steel that you're going to smith into something else, get hot rolled 14:36 <@anarchival> it's cheaper, and it doesn't really matter if it's not uniform and has imperfections 14:37 <@Corydon76-work> Well, I'm not heating it at all. It's getting chopped and the ends drilled for screw holes 14:37 <@anarchival> yeah, I'd go with cold rolled, even though it's more expensive 14:37 <@anarchival> unless you can find some hot rolled that you can actually eyeball and it looks good enough to you 14:38 <@Corydon76-work> Lowe's... 14:38 <@Shadow404> oh great... 14:38 <@Corydon76-work> I'm not seeing cold-rolled on their site 14:39 <@anarchival> I wouldn't go to a chain hardware store for steel 14:39 <@Corydon76-work> Why not? 14:40 <@Corydon76-work> It's not like I can get it from work 14:40 <@Dagmar> Plenty of it on the side of the road for free 14:40 <@Dagmar> Just look for construction zones 14:40 <@Dagmar> So long as you don't mind the orange paint. 14:40 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.lowes.com/pd_69787-37672-11713_1z0x0mo+1z0xzpg__?productId=3059247&Ntt=metal&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dmetal%26page%3D1&facetInfo=Solid%20angle 14:40 < GateKeeper> Title: Shop The Hillman Group 4-ft x 2-in Hot-RolLED Weldable Steel Solid Angle at Lowes.com (at www.lowes.com) 14:40 <@anarchival> Also, there are a number of steel suppliers locally 14:40 <@Corydon76-work> That's the part I'm looking for 14:40 <@Corydon76-work> Or at, really 14:41 <@Corydon76-work> Needs to be 2" wide, to support a server 14:42 <@Corydon76-work> I'm mainly looking at NOT stacking my servers, because it makes it difficult to pull the one on the bottom out. 14:42 * klixa googles steal, scans a few keywords , joins the convo and pretends she has alays known about steal 14:43 * klixa hopes no one notices the misspelling of steel... 14:43 <@Corydon76-work> Currently, I have several shelves, each of which is supporting multiple machines. I'd like to get away from that and have each server supported separately 14:43 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, and I'm also looking at doing this as cheaply as possible 14:44 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, I'm a cheap bastard. 14:44 <@klixa> thats a good trait 14:44 <@klixa> how many servers 14:44 <@Corydon76-work> 5 1U servers, and 2 3U servers 14:44 <@anarchival> Maybe steel is overkill, then. Aluminum might be better. 14:45 <@anarchival> Or better yet, make them out of wood. ;) 14:45 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, no to wood 14:45 <@Corydon76-work> My only concern with aluminum is that it's known to be weaker in terms of deforming at lower weights 14:46 <@anarchival> Yes. And I'm not looking at prices, the steel might be cheaper than the heavier aluminum. 14:47 <@klixa> anarchival: who unbanned you 14:47 <@Corydon76-work> Formed aluminum appears to be cheaper, probably because it's easier to work with 14:47 <@anarchival> I'd definitely price compare, though, if you're not already. I would think the aluminum would still be cheaper, and easier to find. 14:47 <@anarchival> klixa: Me myself and I. 14:48 <@klixa> ok 15:01 < RangerZ1> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/01/25/0246202/open-source-amd-driver-now-supports-opengl-33-and-its-getting-faster 15:01 < GateKeeper> Title: Open Source AMD Driver Now Supports OpenGL 3.3 and It's Getting Faster - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org) 15:02 < RangerZ1> anyone in here familiar with the AMD open source driver from personal use? 15:02 <@klixa> stfu RangerZ1, you dont know jack about CS 15:03 < RangerZ1> unfortunately vandy's EECS program puts a lot more emphesis on EE side of EDCS, than I'm used to 15:03 < RangerZ1> I haven't done a single mathematical proof while being here, lol 15:03 <@Dagmar> I wonder how many beatings they had to dole out to get the ATI employees to cooperate 15:03 < RangerZ1> other than algorithms... but that doesn't count, lol 15:04 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: my understanding is that both NV and AMD's techs and engeineers want _everything_ to be open 15:04 < RangerZ1> b/c both groups think that they are _that_ much smarter than the other team 15:04 -!- sync350 [~sync@2601:0:bd80:2a6:b43f:df9d:42f2:39e1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04 <@Dagmar> Yes, but keep in mind AMD basically imported all that from ATI. 15:04 <@anarchival> It turns out the easiest way to get KNode running is to install Thunderbird. 15:04 <@Dagmar> ...and ATI fucking hates it. 15:05 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-50-160-240-41.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 15:05 <@Dagmar> THere's a reason Linux people tend to be nVidia fanboys, and it's because ATIs drivers for Linux have been schizphrenic shit 15:05 <@Evilpig> their windows drivers haven't been much better 15:05 < RangerZ1> YES, which is why I asked if anyone had used the recent ones , and had opinions 15:06 <@anarchival> Holy shit it's still there. misc.survivalism still exists!! 15:06 <@Dagmar> Usenet 15:06 < RangerZ1> I've used them on windows for a long time, but my home desktop has always been for gaming and just browsing, not *nix 15:06 <@Corydon76-work> I had heard at one time that ATI's hardware was better, but nVidia's drivers were better. 15:06 <@Dagmar> It collects "old guard" types 15:06 <@klixa> i had linux work better on some old pos netbook with intel integrated video than a brand new laptop with ati 15:06 <@anarchival> Yeah...I still need to get the shiny new ATI card that Santa sent me from Sweden installed on my gaming computer 15:07 <@anarchival> ...for coin mining 15:07 <@Dagmar> nVidia's drivers have been better under LInux for the last 12 years 15:07 <@klixa> it drove me to get a macbook 15:07 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-work: that has been what I've been told for almost 10 years 15:07 <@anarchival> I punched Linux in face for nearly 72 hours before I gave up and had to get back to work on real shit. 15:08 <@anarchival> Sure, my hashrate on NVIDIA was 7x slower, but at least the damn thing worked at all 15:08 <@Corydon76-work> I was also told that ATI was fixing that by luring away some of nVidia's staff that wrote drivers. 15:08 <@Corydon76-work> Interesting that ATI still hasn't fixed the situation 15:08 < RangerZ1> from my understanding it was never the 'drivers' it was the firmware that was the issue 15:08 < RangerZ1> also 15:08 <@klixa> jenna marbles is on tv 15:09 <@klixa> that's not where she's supposed to be 15:09 < RangerZ1> but thats just what my one prof used to say, and he was big into hardware/firmware, did some seminal work in it in the 80s 15:10 <@Corydon76-work> It's comforting to know that just when you think you couldn't be more wrong, a college professor trots up and proves how completely out of grasp with reality they are. 15:11 < RangerZ1> lol 15:12 <@anarchival> I graduated from MTSU with a double major and 59 elective hours. 15:13 <@anarchival> Out of all the professors I met, I can count on one hand the ones who weren't completely faking it. 15:13 <@klixa> I liked Dr.White A LOT 15:13 <@klixa> the astronomy professor there 15:13 <@anarchival> klixa: Sure, but he's a genius who for some inexplicable reason has decided he should stay at MTSU. 15:14 <@klixa> um, actually he left my second year there 15:14 <@Corydon76-work> There's something to be said for job security 15:14 <@klixa> was replaced by Dr. Jeffery for a year then permenently by Klumpe 15:14 <@anarchival> klixa: When were you there? 15:14 <@klixa> anarchival: 1996 is when i started 15:15 <@anarchival> klixa: Huh. We're not talking about the same guy. 15:15 < aestetix> vagina 15:15 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I keep forgetting that you're basically the same age as me and not 10 years younger 15:15 <@anarchival> klixa: I can't remember his name, but the astronomy professor who was teaching while I was there was absolutely brilliant. 15:15 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: :) 15:15 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I thought klixa was 35? 15:15 <@klixa> anarchival: what did he look like 15:15 < RangerZ1> klixa: you're 50? 15:15 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: you age well 15:15 < aestetix> That means klixa is old 15:16 <@klixa> im 35 15:16 <@klixa> my bday was monday 15:16 <@anarchival> Oh, wow. I didn 15:16 < RangerZ1> lies, everyone knows that Corydon76-work is 50, just look at him 15:16 < RangerZ1> lol 15:16 <@anarchival> I didn't realize Corydon76-work and I were that close in age. 15:16 < aestetix> And we all know NotLarry is 17 15:16 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I'm aging like milk 15:16 <@klixa> anarchival: what did he look like, your astronomy professor 15:17 <@klixa> i will tell you which one he was 15:17 <@anarchival> klixa: Sort of young, tall and skinny, brown hair. 15:17 <@klixa> anarchival: what year 15:17 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: 76 is my birth year 15:17 <@anarchival> klixa: Around 2006, I think. 15:18 <@anarchival> Wait, no. It would have been closer to 2004. 15:18 <@anarchival> I graduated in 2006. 15:18 <@Corydon76-work> Which, of course, makes me one thousand, nine hundred, and thirty seven years old. 15:18 <@klixa> anarchival: it shoudl haev been klumpe...bit that doesnt describe him at all so nm 15:18 <@klixa> anarchival: how old are you 15:19 <@anarchival> klixa: It's possible the guy I'm referring to wasn't teaching at the university. I was introduced to him socially, through one of my aviation professors. 15:19 <@anarchival> klixa: I remember that he was the astronomy professor, but it's possible he had been the astronomy professor and I just assumed he still was. 15:19 <@klixa> i only know about white, jeffery and klumpe...and klumpe is still there now 15:19 <@klixa> none are tall skinny brown hair 15:19 <@klixa> nor young 15:19 <@anarchival> klixa: I'll be 34 in May. 15:20 <@klixa> anarchival: ok so 1.5 years youngr than me 15:20 < aestetix> god you're old 15:20 <@klixa> aestetix: how old are you 15:20 <@anarchival> aestetix: No, baby, you're just a puppy. 15:20 < aestetix> I'm a year younger than NotLarry 15:20 < aestetix> so 16 15:20 <@klixa> aestetix: lemme know you when you're 18 ;) 15:20 < aestetix> are you hitting on me 15:21 <@Corydon76-work> If I had to guess, I'd say aestetix is somewhere around 25 15:21 <@klixa> aestetix: depends... are you accepting it or rejecting it? 15:21 < aestetix> klixa: I guess you'll have to find out ;) 15:21 <@anarchival> Oh for god's sakes, just mark the box Yes or No and meet her at the flagpole during recess. 15:21 <@klixa> no, the marina 15:21 <@klixa> berkely side, lol 15:22 <@Corydon76-work> What's gross is when 17yo boys hit on me 15:22 < aestetix> anarchival: stop trying to box me in 15:22 <@Corydon76-work> "Come find me when you turn 18" 15:23 <@Corydon76-work> Equally as depressing is that aestetix is both younger and more intelligent than me. 15:23 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: alt.homosexuality still exists, too, and there are Cute Boys on the Beach! 15:24 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Yeah, the beach... sunburn city, hot sand on the bottom of your feet, salt water in your mouth, and sand getting into everything, food, drinks, sunscreen. Not my cup of tea. 15:24 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i bet you give better head than aestetix tho 15:24 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: will you still need me when I'm 64? 15:25 < RangerZ1> aestetix: you should take Corydon76-work up on that challenge 15:25 <@Evilpig> can anyone tell me if these examples work in IE10 or IE11 ? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/transform-origin#Live_Examples 15:25 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: When you're 64, I'll likely either be dead or so senile I might as well be dead. 15:25 <@Evilpig> I ony have a vm with IE6,7 and 9 on my laptop 15:25 * klixa has a mac 15:26 < aestetix> http://bropages.org/ 15:26 < GateKeeper> Title: bro: just get to the point! (at bropages.org) 15:28 <@Evilpig> just checked on IE11 that I have at home and they work correctly 15:30 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 48 nicks [30 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 15:30 < aestetix> HAH 15:31 < aestetix> take that level 103 15:37 <@Evilpig> aestetix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j50emw57c6i5nul/2014-01-25%2020.36.47.png that 103? 15:37 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-01-25 20.36.47.png (at www.dropbox.com) 15:38 <@klixa> are you guys paying to get that far? 15:38 <@klixa> i remeber levels and levels ago it wanted money or something 15:39 < aestetix> yes 15:41 <@anarchival> the first hit is always free 15:43 <@klixa> ok 15:51 <@klixa> you pumped 5 oz form one breast? wow i can only get 2 form both combined 15:51 <@klixa> um...wrong window 15:53 <@Evilpig> O.O 15:53 <@Evilpig> klixa: no. I am paying nothing 15:54 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: if you take BGH, you can massively increase your milk production output. 15:54 <@klixa> bgh? 15:54 <@Corydon76-work> Bovine Growth Hormone 15:55 <@Corydon76-work> It's completely safe. All non-organic dairy farmers inject their cows with it on a regular basis 15:55 <@Corydon76-work> In fact, if you drink cow's milk, you might even get some of it. 15:55 <@klixa> haha :P 15:56 <@klixa> fenungreek is supposed to work..thats what im being told 15:57 <@Evilpig> http://dev.opendcim.org 15:57 <@Evilpig> damnit. something is up 15:58 <@anarchival> Evilpig: with your own project? 15:58 <@Evilpig> webserver isn't responding for whatever fuckin' reason 15:58 < RangerZ1> it is for me 15:58 <@Evilpig> great. it's this shit hotel network then 15:58 < RangerZ1> i got a auth request 15:59 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Yeah, I get a login screen. 15:59 <@Evilpig> osx is there a quick way to dump the dns cache? 15:59 < RangerZ1> reboot 15:59 <@anarchival> lol 15:59 < RangerZ1> actually I dunno 15:59 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I'm told soy milk has mild estrogen-like properties, and there's even a case of a man growing breasts after drinking a gallon of soy milk a day. 15:59 < RangerZ1> command line ip|if config thingy for mac should allow you to 15:59 <@Evilpig> sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder 15:59 <@Corydon76-work> I bet that could up your production 16:00 <@Corydon76-work> I suspect the only thing fenugreek is going to do is make your milk taste like fenugreek 16:00 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: so far ginger is the only thing that has done anything 16:01 <@Corydon76-work> You _do_ taste your own milk to verify results, don't you? 16:01 <@klixa> conservative medical advice is feed more often 16:01 <@klixa> to up supply 16:01 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i have tasted it...it tastes really good 16:01 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, I wouldn't be surprised 16:02 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: yeah, just like every guy has tasted his own cum 16:02 <@Corydon76-work> and all of the other guys are LYING 16:02 <@eryc> killall bad, pkill good 16:02 <@klixa> i asked one i was dating Corydon76-work and his reply wss ugh gross no 16:02 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: In my experience, cum doesn't have much flavor at all. 16:03 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: actually, the flavor depends upon what the host has had to eat in the past 24 hours 16:03 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: But when asked, I always tell him it tastes like fresh strawberries. 16:04 <@Corydon76-work> Lots of guys have incredibly salty cum that tastes of pork 16:04 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Except for that one time, when I wiped some off my face and offered it to him to try. 16:04 <@eryc> thanks for sharing 16:04 <@klixa> eryc: ++ 16:04 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I don't understand how guys can expect to cum in a girl's mouth if the taste of their own cum is revolting. 16:04 < aestetix> penis 16:05 <@Dagmar> Pineapple. 16:05 <@anarchival> Hey, this is the sort of conversation you get when they are no rules, no boundaries, no gods, no masters. 16:05 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: Yes, and that shows you care about how it tastes 16:05 <@anarchival> s/they/there 16:06 <@Corydon76-work> Actually, I'm the channel god. 16:06 <@eryc> s/god/fag/ 16:06 < RangerZ1> thats why he wants everyone down on their knees 16:06 <@Corydon76-work> No, the channel god. I have the founder bit in ChanServ 16:06 < RangerZ1> "praying" 16:07 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I thought Dagmar was the channel god? 16:07 <@Corydon76-work> I just don't act like I'm the channel god. 16:07 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: excuse me, Dagmar is the "great overlord" 16:07 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: You're pretty good, as gods go. 16:08 <@Corydon76-work> The existence of a vibrant community is far more important to me than to throw my weight around. 16:09 <@Dagmar> Hey, at least you're not interested in being a giant dick 16:09 <@Corydon76-work> You know, I don't think I've granted ops to a single person in here in more than a year. 16:09 <@Corydon76-work> and yet people have gotten ops. Funny how that works. 16:10 -!- anarchival was kicked from #se2600 by eryc [anarchival] 16:10 <@eryc> hey it still works 16:10 <@klixa> lol.. 16:10 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 16:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 16:10 <@klixa> ok eryc you dont have to sleep on the cybercouch afterall 16:10 <@anarchival> yeah, this channel is moderated with a very, very light hand 16:11 <@anarchival> why just look at all the trolls with ops privileges! 16:11 <@eryc> ^ 16:11 <@klixa> ^^ 16:11 <@Evilpig> this is mob rule 16:12 <@Evilpig> fuckin' a. I found the problem and the fix is rewrite the beaner's code 16:12 <@Corydon76-work> Most people have ops because that's the way this channel has always been run, and with ChanServ present, it's easy to fix whatever kickbans are in place 16:13 <@Evilpig> I took a good bit of time making sure most everyone could remove bans including their own 16:13 <@Evilpig> there have been exceptions 16:13 <@anarchival> Evilpig: That was a nice bit of engineering, I must admit. 16:13 <@Corydon76-work> The problem with no-ops, which is how #nlug is run, is that when a problem occurs with a spammer, the right person might not be around to fix the problem 16:14 < aestetix> heh 16:14 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1w3uqv/what_is_the_rarest_thing_you_have_ever_come/ceyrcp3 16:14 < GateKeeper> Title: aestetix comments on What is the rarest thing you have ever come across in your life? [Serious] (at www.reddit.com) 16:15 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Easy. The Hope diamond. There's only one of them, and I've come across it in a museum. 16:15 < aestetix> I commented on my Nixon mask. 16:16 <@Corydon76-work> What's scary is how many women you've fucked while wearing it 16:16 < aestetix> heh 16:16 < aestetix> I didn't tell him that part. 16:16 <@klixa> oh, that was you? 16:17 < aestetix> what was me? 16:17 <@klixa> the person my male friend had sex with while dressed a a woman for hallowwen 16:17 <@anarchival> Nixon was our sexiest President. 16:17 <@anarchival> Also our nerdiest President. 16:18 <@anarchival> Which is probably why he spiraled into paranoia. 16:18 < RangerZ1> carter was a lot nerdier , from pure IQ , but thats just a fact, 16:18 < RangerZ1> I'm waiting for the otaku president 16:18 < RangerZ1> that'll be amusing 16:19 <@klixa> RangerZ1: wasnt carter very stupid? 16:19 < RangerZ1> no 16:19 <@klixa> hmmm 16:19 < RangerZ1> he just honestly wasn't very political 16:19 <@anarchival> RangerZ1: Carter is quite intelligent, but I don't put a lot of stock in IQ tests. 16:19 <@klixa> RangerZ1: ok thats it then' 16:19 <@Corydon76-work> Intelligence isn't always associated with practical 16:19 < RangerZ1> carter gave up that isreal has nukes too 16:19 < RangerZ1> b/c he doesn't care 16:19 <@klixa> simple is how i have always heard him referred to as 16:19 < RangerZ1> and thinks that all this bs drama isn't actually useful 16:19 <@anarchival> Carter should have spent the rest of his career as a Governor, or maybe as Secretary of State. 16:20 <@Corydon76-work> You can be really smart without knowing how to get situations to go the way you want them 16:20 <@Corydon76-work> As all the 40 year old virgins in geekdom can attest 16:20 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-work: I have to wonder... are there really people like that 16:20 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: show me a 40 year old virgin 16:20 <@klixa> i need to see that 16:20 <@anarchival> I like Carter for this: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/losing-my-religion-for-equality-20090714-dk0v.html?page=-1 16:21 < RangerZ1> b/c i have known people that were way more nerdy/pathetic than anyone in this room 16:21 <@anarchival> He's like the honey badger. Carter don't give a shit. 16:21 < RangerZ1> who got laid at like 26 or so 16:21 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I don't know particular geeks, but The Pope is a virgin 16:21 < RangerZ1> is that the president? 16:21 < RangerZ1> or one of his children/grand children? 16:21 < RangerZ1> several have 'jimmy' 16:21 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22 <@klixa> <3 peer 16:22 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 16:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 16:22 < RangerZ1> ok.. ."6 decades" its him 16:22 <@Corydon76-work> Also, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Mercster was a virgin 16:22 <@Corydon76-work> and he's unlikely to ever get laid now 16:22 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-work: let me introduce you to the catholic church 16:22 <@anarchival> I don't understand this rationale that it's particularly difficult to get someone to fuck you. 16:23 <@anarchival> Sex is pretty easy to achieve, either for men or for women. Even the socially awkward. 16:23 <@Corydon76-work> That's one of the side effects of schitzophrenia so severe it leaves someone totally and permanently disabled 16:23 <@Dagmar> There's this little thing called "standards" 16:23 <@anarchival> That's one of the reasons everyone's emphasis on it as some sort of achievement or important thing in life is bullshit. 16:23 <@anarchival> Besides, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to have sex, or at least not wanting to waste your time and energy pursuing it. 16:24 <@anarchival> Sublimation can be a useful thing, especially for people whose intellects are sufficiently evolved they really do have better things to do with their time. 16:24 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: there's plenty wrong with not wanting sex. It is a biological imperative, after all 16:24 < RangerZ1> plus it is a stress reducer 16:25 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yes, and the overpopulation of the Earth is Exhibit A in why biological imperatives shouldn't always be heeded. 16:25 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: That's the same rationale for outlawing birth control, for example. 16:25 < RangerZ1> actaully we aren't over populated et 16:25 < RangerZ1> yet* 16:25 <@Corydon76-work> You can want sex without having it, usually because you have more important goals. But not having it is not the same as not wanting it. 16:25 < RangerZ1> it just that we refuse to all live in apartments, lol 16:25 <@klixa> birth control 16:25 < RangerZ1> klixa: you DEVIL SINNER 16:26 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Personally I like to think that humans have a little more free will than animals. 16:26 < RangerZ1> how dare you want to give women the ability to have sex without popping out babies 16:26 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: again, you're confusing want with action. 16:26 < RangerZ1> lol 16:26 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Meh. 16:27 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Usually when I say, "I don't want to have sex," it's shorthand for "my desire for sex is not great enough to override higher priorities." 16:27 <@Corydon76-work> Right now, I want a blow job. I'm not going to get a blowjob right now, because I have more important goals. 16:27 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: But then my daddy said I was a frigid money-grubbing cunt, so maybe he was right. 16:27 <@Dagmar> Probably so 16:27 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Most priests have working pipes, though. 16:28 <@klixa> father knows best 16:28 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: It's just that they don't want sex more than they want other things. 16:28 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: and priests do struggle with it 16:28 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Sure. I struggled with it myself, at different points in my life. Mostly when I was depressed or bored, though. 16:28 <@eryc> boring 16:28 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Otherwise, celibacy didn't feel like any great burden, because I was busy with other things. 16:29 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: there are people, though, who have no desire for sex, even if they weren't busy with other things. 16:30 <@Corydon76-work> Women go to psychologists in great numbers to help them enjoy sex 16:30 <@Corydon76-work> Men have similar issues, some of the time 16:30 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-work: speaking of, there is a drug going through FDA testing right now that gives women back their sex drive 16:30 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yes, female hysteria. It's a horrible, horrible condition. I have a book from the 50's about that very condition. 16:31 <@anarchival> RangerZ1: Thank god. This generation of men certainly isn't going to inspire it. 16:31 < RangerZ1> the FDA appears to just not want to approve it b/c the testing on over 10k women shoes it only 'moderately' suc..... wow... just wow... 16:31 * RangerZ1 is leaving this convo and going to go play starcraft 2 16:31 <@anarchival> Actually, such a drug already exists. It's called alcohol. 16:32 * anarchival was conceived on a pitcher of sangria and pitcher of Miller Lite, respectively. 16:32 <@Corydon76-work> That only loosens inhibitions. It doesn't help someone get over the medical conditions that prevent them from enjoying sex 16:33 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Shrugs. I don't know anything about that. I've had plenty of orgasms on my own, just not any with any of the losers I've bedded. 16:33 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Which sort of lessens my motivation for fucking more men even further. 16:34 <@Corydon76-work> It's sometimes physical, but it's also due to emotional conditions like rape trauma and bastard preachers drilling into women's minds at an early age that enjoying sex is evil 16:34 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: what about women? 16:34 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I mean, it's a pretty rationale decision not to have sex with other people when I'm more likely to have orgasms on my own, and all they can offer me is disease, unwanted pregnancy, drama, etc. etc. 16:34 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: They don't make me tingle in my secret places. 16:35 <@Corydon76-work> Ah 16:35 <@Corydon76-work> Personally, I don't "get" not being attracted to both sexes. 16:38 <@NotLarry> Catonic: ping 16:39 <@Evilpig> ARRRRRGGGGGGGG!! 16:39 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: women make me sick literally 16:39 <@klixa> unless i am drunk 16:39 <@NotLarry> you ok pig? 16:39 <@klixa> like, i tried to kiss a girl once...and i got sick 16:39 <@klixa> i was 13 16:39 <@NotLarry> that p0rn not end like you expectied? 16:39 <@klixa> maybe 14 16:39 <@NotLarry> I can help you get over that klixa 16:39 <@NotLarry> but right now I'm busy in bed 16:39 <@klixa> NotLarry: i already know how...vodka 16:40 <@klixa> i quit all that 13 years ago tho 16:40 <@NotLarry> ok, saw something about a new bullet this morning, need the link 16:40 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I wonder how much of that revulsion is simply societal indoctrination, though 16:40 <@NotLarry> Kissing 14 year old girls? why would you ever give that up? 16:40 <@Dagmar> Because they're fucking insane 16:40 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: well if i kiss a man i am not attracted to i get sick too 16:40 <@eryc> NotLarry never gave it up 16:41 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: im confident it was phisiological only cause i had NO moral hangups 16:41 <@Evilpig> not porn. JS is now gonna stand for JoseScript 16:41 <@anarchival> Yeah I don't think it's a psychological issue or "societal indoctrination" to not be attracted to certain people. 16:43 <@klixa> also..women always feel softer than they look 16:43 < aestetix> klixa: girls are fun to kiss 16:43 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: acclimation is provably what determines the traits you're attracted to, though 16:44 <@klixa> aestetix: yes, when vodka is involved 16:44 <@Corydon76-work> I think that calling it an "issue" is not necessarily helpful in this case. 16:45 <@Corydon76-work> It's only an issue when it negatively impacts your ability to live your life as you see fit. 16:45 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Sure. That's one of the reasons sexually abused children often start engaging in promiscuous behavior at very early ages. 16:45 <@eryc> like anarchival 16:45 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: yep 16:45 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Being introduced to a wide range of sexual behaviors tends to break down those inhibitions. 16:45 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I don't consider that a hallmark of healthy sexual development, though. 16:46 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: The same is illustrated through porn addiction... 16:46 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: or also failing to build up those inhibitions in the first place 16:46 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: One's tastes can only be satisfied by more and more of it, and through a revolving procession of fetishes 16:46 <@Corydon76-work> Nobody inherently understands what behavior is bad until they're taught what is unacceptable 16:47 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: until eventually your sexual appetite is so jaded little human sexuality will satisfy you. 16:47 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: It's not a question of what is right or wrong, but whether the person is able to achieve sexual satisfaction. 16:48 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Well, it's more than that, because you also have to be able to live your life as you see fit 16:48 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Behaviors which attack our ability to find sexual satisfaction with a reasonable amount of effort are immoral, because ultimately they undermine that ability. 16:48 <@Corydon76-work> Having sex in back alleys may be sexually gratifying, but if it interferes in your career, it may still be an issue 16:49 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Although she's generally a little batty, I don't completely disagree with her here: http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/ 16:51 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: where's the strangest place you've had sex? 16:51 <@klixa> anecdotally i think this article is false 16:51 <@Corydon76-work> I still haven't found an anti-porn feminist who can describe how gay male porn subjugates women. 16:52 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I tend to fall more along these lines: http://www.amazon.com/XXX-A-Womans-Right-Pornography/dp/0312152450 16:53 <@klixa> i think porn is of the devil 16:53 <@klixa> :D 16:53 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: If for no other reason than censorship of porn has hurt more women than it's ever hurt men, so I'm inclined to believe its prohibition isn't truly a feminist cause 16:54 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: also weev has posted a couple anti-porn sermons that sound just like Naomi Wolf, which scandalized him quite thoroughly when I pointed it out to him. ;) 16:54 <@Corydon76-work> Well, as interesting as the conversation is, I need to get out and do some things while it's still light outside 16:54 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Groovy. Chat with you later. 16:54 <@Corydon76-work> Later 16:55 < aestetix> Wait what? 17:18 -!- spaceB0x [~spaceB0x@c-68-52-126-92.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:20 <@Catonic> borish 17:22 < aestetix> poop 17:24 <@klixa> hi spaceB0x 17:34 <@Catonic> I love working on saturdays. 17:34 <@Evilpig> i love not working them 17:34 <@klixa> i would probably love it... cause i am so bored and lonely atm 17:35 <@eryc> made my first .apk with Unity 17:35 <@eryc> fun stuff 17:35 <@eryc> also the BootCamp demo that comes with Unity is pretty impressive 17:36 <@klixa> huh? 17:36 <@klixa> bootcamp with unity? wtf are you talking about 17:37 <@eryc> unity is a game engine 17:37 <@klixa> oh 17:37 <@klixa> so not ubuntu unity 17:39 <@eryc> trying out the AngryBots demo now 17:41 < aestetix> poopie 17:43 <@klixa> o-O 17:45 <@eryc> here's angrybots http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXTLFGxU1I 17:45 <@anarchival> I've been completely unproductive today. Which considering the past week, I guess is allowable. 17:45 < GateKeeper> Title: AngryBots Demo PC Gameplay HD [Intel GMA X3100] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 17:45 <@eryc> it runs great on android 17:46 <@klixa> i have resisted the urge to write yet another i miss you email to my ex, so i feel very productive anarchival 17:46 * klixa stares at his picture 17:46 <@anarchival> klixa: Good woman. Whatever you do, don't do that. 17:47 <@anarchival> klixa: at least not as long as you mean it 17:47 <@klixa> not as long as i mean it? ok explain 17:47 <@anarchival> klixa: it's kind of fun to troll dudes with the crazy stalker ex routine once they've earned it ;) 17:47 <@klixa> i dont play games with people i care/cared about 17:48 <@anarchival> klixa: Exactly. You should only do that once you're actually over them. 17:48 <@klixa> um... i dont get over people ever in that sense 17:48 <@eryc> i'm not sure why anyone would do that 17:48 <@klixa> i mean...once i care abotu someone i always do 17:48 <@anarchival> klixa: Ah. That's probably a good thing. 17:49 <@anarchival> klixa: Unfortunately once you've been forced to cut some of your most intimate relationships out of your life, it gets easy to write people off. 17:49 <@klixa> i have never written anyone off 17:49 <@anarchival> klixa: This is both terrible and useful both at the same time. 17:50 <@anarchival> klixa: Isn't your ex in this context your daughter's father? 17:50 <@klixa> no 17:50 <@klixa> different ex 17:50 <@anarchival> klixa: Okay. 17:50 <@klixa> baby's father and i were broken up most of last year 17:50 <@klixa> and i had a new bf during that time 17:50 <@anarchival> klixa: Oh, okay. 18:00 <@klixa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo 18:27 < GateKeeper> Title: Swedish Chef - Meatballs - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 18:32 < aestetix> rattle: you around? 18:32 < aestetix> I want to know why he thought the US was censoring the Ukraine stuff 18:32 < aestetix> With the whole Justin Bieber shit 18:33 <@klixa> i <3 just bieber 18:33 * klixa is a belieber 18:33 <@klixa> ok, i cant even type that with a straight face...lololol 18:33 <@eryc> bieber fever 18:34 * klixa sings Winona had a big brown bieber 18:34 <@eryc> aestetix: what's going on in ukraine? 18:35 <@eryc> are they driving red lambos drunk too 18:35 < aestetix> The Kiev riots 18:36 <@eryc> oh are they upset about bieber too? 18:36 <@eryc> i hear bieber is big in the EU 18:49 <@sdodson> It's a shame Bieber didn't kill himself. 18:49 < RangerZ1> nah 18:49 < RangerZ1> i'm fine with beiber... what I'm afraid of... is (disney/et. al.)'s NEXT big thing 18:50 <@sdodson> aestetix, this is awesome btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH68bSJXGE8 18:50 < GateKeeper> Title: MSNBC interrupts Congresswoman for report on Justin Bieber - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 18:50 < RangerZ1> sdodson: yeah, they need to get smacked for that 18:50 < RangerZ1> such BS 18:50 <@sdodson> I hope the anchor was like "srsly, wtf, ok i'll interrupt a congresswoman to cut to bieber" 18:50 < GateKeeper> The word you are looking for is 'seriously'; I strongly urge you to keep this in mind for the future. 18:50 <@sdodson> GateKeeper, eat a dick 18:51 <@sdodson> GateKeeper, orly? 18:51 < RangerZ1> srsly 18:51 < GateKeeper> The word you are looking for is 'seriously'; I strongly urge you to keep this in mind for the future. 18:51 <@eryc> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236344 18:51 <@brimstone> congresswomen just need to make better songs 18:51 <@brimstone> duh 18:51 <@sdodson> brimstone, true 18:51 <@sdodson> If I was your congresswoman... 18:51 <@sdodson> don't them red drives fail like mofos according to backblaze? 18:51 <@brimstone> you'd rock the house every night? 18:52 <@eryc> $25 off 3TB drives 18:52 <@brimstone> hired 18:52 <@eryc> sdodson: they like them the best? 18:53 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 18:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 18:53 < RangerZ1> ok, everyone hush... she's here 18:53 * eryc zips up his pants 18:54 * RangerZ1 is surprise eryc even has pants on 18:54 < RangerZ1> thats more than the rest of chat 18:56 <@sdodson> eryc, http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/ 18:57 * Catonic sits 18:57 <@sdodson> Catonic, what's new broface? 18:57 <@eryc> sdodson: yea.. 18:58 <@sdodson> eryc, nevermind it says that was a favorite of theirs 19:00 <@SuMo_D> evening all 19:02 <@SuMo_D> so I gotta say I'm So so so proud of our kids! the high schoolers were teaching the middle school and primary school kids and they all did amazing :) 19:02 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-125-59.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02 <@SuMo_D> scratch games made by all :D - its a start 19:03 < RangerZ1> cool 19:03 <@SuMo_D> I left just as they were starting the advanced stuff with the HS kids, web services and robotics... woo hoo 19:03 <@SuMo_D> its just so funny cause I'm remembering the chaos from when we started in July... and now its all organized and somewhat sane... its amazing 19:04 <@SuMo_D> how was your day RangerZ1? 19:05 < RangerZ1> fine, woke up late, played some starcraft 2, relaxed some, and now working on lesson plan diagrams or ...something... 19:05 <@anarchival> SuMo_D: That is awesome. Gold stars all 'round! 19:05 < RangerZ1> trying to figure out how to diagram this damn MOOC app 19:06 < RangerZ1> for lecture slides 19:06 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-151-22.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 19:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 19:06 <@Catonic> not much, just working on patching systems. 19:07 <@Catonic> eryc: I'd like to see the performance the box can deliver 19:08 <@Catonic> I suspect it's slightly more than I/O bound. 19:08 <@SuMo_D> cool 19:08 <@eryc> Catonic: what? 19:08 <@Catonic> sorry, it was sdodson that said it 19:08 <@Catonic> the backblaze article 19:09 <@eryc> is about hard drives? 19:09 * eryc takes Catonic's crack pipe 19:16 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:19 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 19:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 19:23 <@Evilpig> save me 19:24 <@Evilpig> call in a bomb hreat or something 19:25 <@klixa> whats the #, im on it 19:25 <@anarchival> I don't want to cook dinner. Can't we just eat mini scones? 19:26 <@Evilpig> i ddon't know. my laptop was taken away and there is chicken dancing gping on 19:27 <@Evilpig> call in the marines! i neef an exit plan 10minutes ago 19:27 <@klixa> i have to cook 2 dinners :/ 19:28 <@klixa> anarchival: do you live with your mom? 19:28 <@anarchival> klixa: We've already had this conversation a couple times now. 19:28 <@klixa> no we havent 19:28 <@anarchival> klixa: Okay. 19:28 <@klixa> you told me about 1996 19:28 <@klixa> thats it 19:29 * anarchival tucks klixa in bed for her story. 19:29 <@klixa> but you talk about her a lot and in such a way that it majes it seem you live together 19:30 <@anarchival> klixa: I've been my mother's financial support and caretaker since I was a teenager. Yes, she lives with me. Yes, I cook her dinner. Among other things. 19:32 <@klixa> ok 19:37 <@Evilpig> i've been supporting people on welfare since the mid 90s. and? 19:43 <@klixa> im watching stargate....janes spader used to be soooo... not old 19:44 <@anarchival> Evilpig: So have I. But at least you have your cats? 19:45 <@klixa> damnit anarchival, i gave you Dagmar , at least leave Evilpig all for me...geesh...so greedy 19:46 <@anarchival> klixa: You can have them both, although you're going to have to travel a bit. 20:02 <@Evilpig> i'm worth it 20:03 < aestetix> How much are you worht in bitcoin? 20:04 <@klixa> Evilpig: make sure you're wearing something pretty when i get there :| 20:07 <@anarchival> aestetix: It varies. 20:24 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-work: I am always around to deal with #nlug issues. nog is often around as well, just not active. 20:24 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: You're even around when you're having an Internet/power outage? 20:25 <@Corydon76-work> Do you not take vacations anymore? 20:25 <@Corydon76-work> Or sleep? 20:28 <@anarchival> In all fairness, there isn't much conversation over at #nlug. You could login once every eighteen hours or so and still not miss much. 20:29 <@Corydon76-work> The same is true for #nashvillephp 20:29 <@anarchival> Oh, I stay out of that backwater. 20:30 <@Corydon76-work> Nothing has been said in there since Thursday evening, almost 48 hours ago 20:31 <@anarchival> Most of the local coder channels are especially quiet over the weekend. They tend to chat more while they're at work. 20:32 <@Evilpig> we're enoying the recentish revival of chatter in here. i'd say it's nearly back to the pre-civil war lvels 20:32 <@Corydon76-work> If only that were true 20:32 <@Corydon76-work> The coder channels seem to be most active in the evenings 20:33 <@Evilpig> btw i'm approachong drunk, so anarchival has a shot 20:33 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: Take my hand… take my whole life too] 20:33 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: how drunk? 20:33 <@Evilpig> not that drunk 20:34 <@Evilpig> don't think i'll ever be THAT drunk 20:34 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:34 <@anarchival> The PHP guys used to give me a hard time for not being on IRC. So now that I'm logged all day I don't go in there. 20:34 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: You might be drunk enough, though, that you can't remember just how far it went... ;-) 20:35 <@anarchival> For a little while I was in every single local coder and hacker channel on freenode, but much like the actual UGs I culled that down. 20:35 <@Bahhumbug> What's a vacation? 20:36 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: when you take out your penis in public, they put you into a room where you get a vacation for a couple years. 20:36 <@Bahhumbug> And really... The only times that #nlug really has traffic are times that either nog or myself are around. 20:36 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: it's a trip where you end up more exhausted than when you started out 20:36 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 20:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 20:36 <@Bahhumbug> Oh! 20:36 <@Bahhumbug> Those! 20:36 <@Bahhumbug> I seem to remember those. 20:37 <@Bahhumbug> Sorta; dim, distant memory. 20:37 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I'm taking one in June, for my 20th HS reunion 20:37 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, youngster. 20:37 <@Bahhumbug> My 30th is this year :/ 20:38 <@klixa> 30th reunion? 20:38 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah. 20:38 <@Bahhumbug> I'm old. 20:39 <@klixa> not really 20:39 <@klixa> not relatively speaking anyway 20:40 <@Bahhumbug> I never thought I'd make it past 30. So... yeah... old. And the symphony that my body plays for me every morning when I get up out of bed sorta reaffirms that. 20:40 <@Bahhumbug> Of course, the alternative sorta sucks. 20:40 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42 <@Corydon76-work> My high school likes to emphasize the anniversaries evenly divisible by 5, though you're welcome to go back every year. 20:42 <@Corydon76-work> 25 and 50 seem to be the big ones 20:42 <@klixa> wherd ya'll go to school 20:42 <@Corydon76-work> http://perkiomen.org 20:42 < GateKeeper> Title: Perkiomen School (at perkiomen.org) 20:43 <@anarchival> St. Cecilia Academy. I haven't been to any reunions and don't intend to. 20:44 <@anarchival> I did get a report from a friend at the tenth, though. Apparently all the "party girls" who ran wild during high school are conservative, religious women married with several children now. 20:44 <@Corydon76-work> I unfortunately know one of them from that era who did not fare so well 20:45 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: are you old enough to need viagra? 20:45 <@Corydon76-work> I don't know if you know the name Sara Sasser or not 20:45 <@klixa> i went to MLK and Hillsboro 20:45 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Holy shit. Yes. I knew Sara. 20:45 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I can only imagine. :/ 20:46 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: Gordon Tech and Amundsen High in Chicago. 20:46 <@klixa> mine were in Nashville * 20:46 <@Bahhumbug> Dropped out at 16 when I was too bored. 20:46 <@Corydon76-work> She was a very bright person who had a lot of promise. Unfortunately, she fell into drugs, and it apparently warped her mind. 20:46 <@RangerZ> Boardman High School (yep... very original) 20:46 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yep. 20:47 <@Corydon76-work> Last time I talked with her, she seemed to exhibit the classic signs of someone heavily medicated with Thorazine 20:48 <@Corydon76-work> I don't know if she was or not, but that was the effect 20:49 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: That really is terrible. Poor woman. 20:51 <@Corydon76-work> Yep 20:51 <@Corydon76-work> I don't know if she was one of the party girls you referred to. I do know she had various run-ins with the nuns 20:52 < aestetix> I wonder if nuns masturbate 20:52 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Oh hell, everyone had run-ins with the nuns. I got detention for my socks not being folded properly, and for wearing my cardigan tied around my waste in the lunch line. 20:52 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: some do, some don't, just like the general population 20:52 <@klixa> aestetix: if they don't, i feel sorry for them 20:52 <@klixa> that would suck 20:52 < aestetix> maybe anarchival should be a nun 20:52 <@klixa> all that tension built up 20:52 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Sara wasn't a troublemaker, in fact she was an excellent student, very bright. But there was a certain point at which I noticed she was using. 20:53 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Mostly because I'd grown up around an addict, so I recognized the signs. 20:53 <@Corydon76-work> When I was around her, she never exhibited any signs of being high 20:53 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Things started to fall apart quickly after that. I hoped she would grow out of it. She wasn't the only one doing drugs at that school by any stretch of the imagination. 20:53 < aestetix> anarchival: would you let a nun help you masturbate? 20:53 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: It breaks my heart to hear it got her that badly. 20:54 <@anarchival> aestetix: My classmates very nearly voted me Most Likely to Become a Nun, but the Sisters vetoed it, so I was voted Most Likely to Start Her Own Cult instead. 20:54 < aestetix> I'll take that as a yes 20:55 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:56 < aestetix> anarchival: would you let the nun slip a crucifix into your butt? 20:56 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Sara was known for bringing in lots of new gay people into our group, so one week, her brash comment was "Alright! Where's my toaster?" 20:56 <@Corydon76-work> The next week, there was a wrapped toaster waiting for her. 20:56 <@anarchival> aestetix: The head Sister at St. Cecilia while I was there didn't have any trouble getting laid. She'd openly flirt with the fathers of students. 20:57 <@Corydon76-work> That's rather disturbing 20:57 <@Bahhumbug> *cough*bullshit*cough* 20:57 <@anarchival> aestetix: I'd be much more likely to tie a nun up and whip her than have sex with her, and I mean that in an entirely non-sexual way. 20:57 * klixa has anarchival committed... no just no 20:58 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: She was also the Sister who told Katie, who became pregnant during Senior year, that if she had an abortion she would be allowed to graduate. 20:58 < aestetix> That's some Bells of St. Mary's shit right there 20:58 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, it is 20:59 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Katie was smart enough to surreptitiously record the conversation, and her father who was a prominent attorney in town used the recording to blackmail Sister into letting Katie graduate anyway. 20:59 < aestetix> anarchival: if you saw a video of the head sister having sex with al gore, would you masturbate to it? 20:59 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: So that's how Katie became the first openly pregnant woman to graduate from SCA. 21:00 <@anarchival> aestetix: No. I prefer man-on-man porn. 21:00 < aestetix> Ok, so pope benedict and pope francis 21:00 <@anarchival> aestetix: Benedict? Gross. JP2? HAWT. 21:00 < aestetix> With the nazi pope giving it to francis up the butt, just like in real life 21:02 < aestetix> What about JP2 and Al Gore? 21:02 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: http://31.media.tumblr.com/3348c4fd1016862dea82128fd8e2f112/tumblr_mqcv0ciMkN1s6969xo3_1280.jpg (nsfw) 21:03 <@Corydon76-work> http://iloveolder.tumblr.com/image/74146910180 (nsfw) 21:03 < GateKeeper> Title: DILFs!: Photo (at iloveolder.tumblr.com) 21:04 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04 <@Corydon76-work> http://neuzimar2.tumblr.com/ (nsfw) 21:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Grandpas, Old Men and Mature Man (at neuzimar2.tumblr.com) 21:05 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Just post the lemon party and call it a day. ;) 21:05 <@anarchival> aestetix: What is this fetish you have for Al Gore? 21:05 <@Corydon76-work> Nah, this stuff is much, much better 21:06 <@Corydon76-work> It's almost Virgil-worthy. 21:06 <@anarchival> aestetix: I mean, normally when people write porn spoofs of the Clinton Administration they go straight for Bill. 21:06 <@Corydon76-work> I'd prefer if they went gay for Bill. 21:07 <@Corydon76-work> like a Michael Lewinsky 21:08 <@Corydon76-work> How much better would that be as a Presidential scandal? 21:08 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Well it's not gay porn, but... http://www.spin.com/articles/bill-clinton-blurred-lines-BaracksDubs-robin-thicke-cover/ 21:08 < GateKeeper> Title: Bill Clinton's 'Blurred Lines' Lip Dub Arrives on Monica Lewinsky's Birthday | SPIN | SPIN Mix | Videos (at www.spin.com) 21:09 <@Corydon76-work> Looks like aestetix is too busy browsing gay porn to respond 21:10 <@Corydon76-work> And not just gay porn, but grandpa porn 21:10 <@anarchival> Well this is just terrible. It's all straight. :( http://pornparody.com/tag/bill-clinton/ 21:11 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:11 <@anarchival> aestetix: He's fapping again, I'm telling you. That's why he starts these discussions. He is literally fapping to IRC. 21:11 <@anarchival> Er, Corydon76-work, rather. Speaking about aestetix. 21:12 <@Corydon76-work> I'm going back to modifying these new servers. I finally found the firmware upgrade to my RILOE 21:12 <@Corydon76-work> So now Chrome can see the console while it's booting 21:13 <@eryc> where is Evilpig 21:13 <@eryc> i have questions 21:13 < aestetix> Ok I feel better now. 21:13 <@Corydon76-work> If you're curious: http://www.paul.sladen.org/lights-out/riloe.html 21:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Paul Sladen's Lights Out Stuff (at www.paul.sladen.org) 21:13 <@anarchival> eryc: Dead. His sister and brother-in-law are hiding the body even as we type. 21:14 <@eryc> you have some strange fantasies 21:15 <@anarchival> eryc: That's what he said. 21:30 <@anarchival> Listening to David Starkey's book on Elizabeth. "psycho-feminist historians" makes me giggle. 21:31 <@anarchival> In other news, weev called me twice today and I missed it both times. Sigh. 21:46 <@klixa> who is weev 21:47 <@anarchival> klixa: http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/07/dont-hate-the-crime-hate-the-person-how-weevs-appeal-affects-all-of-us/ 21:47 < GateKeeper> Title: You May Not Like Weev, But Your Online Freedom Depends on His Appeal | Wired Opinion | Wired.com (at www.wired.com) 21:49 <@eryc> fuck weev 21:49 <@anarchival> eryc: I'd love to, but they don't allow that in federal prisons. 21:50 <@eryc> i thought you were celibate 21:51 <@anarchival> eryc: I've made exceptions, there's no reason I can't do it again. 21:53 <@klixa> anarchival: i dont know how to read, can you just tell me who he is 21:53 <@anarchival> klixa: Either way, you're going to have to read. 21:54 <@klixa> o-O 21:54 <@eryc> some kid who tried to make a name for himself by fucking with at&t 21:55 <@eryc> clearly he didn't succeed 21:56 <@klixa> you woud think anyone calling anarchival would have good judgment tho and be successful 21:57 <@eryc> iirc he's like a professional homeless person 21:57 <@klixa> well, now he has a home 21:58 <@anarchival> "The gods are on the right side, though it is not the side that wins. The winning side is Chaos and Unreason; but the gods, who are defeated, think that defeat no refutation." - WP Ker 21:58 <@eryc> indeed he does 22:00 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I honestly don't see how weev's appeal means anything, other than a simple confirmation of facts we've known for years. 22:01 <@Corydon76-work> You're welcome to think that his conviction was unjust; however, it doesn't change that what he did was illegal. 22:02 <@Corydon76-work> And furthermore, given his attempts to cover-up after the fact shows that he was aware that what he was doing was illegal; there was no innocent mistake. 22:03 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Have you read the appeal brief? It's good stuff. https://www.eff.org/cases/us-v-auernheimer 22:03 < GateKeeper> Title: U.S. v Auernheimer | Electronic Frontier Foundation (at www.eff.org) 22:03 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Plenty of things are illegal that shouldn't be. That makes fighting those laws all the more important. 22:04 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: but you cannot fight those laws in court, unless the law is unconstitutional 22:04 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I'm not pretending the weev was acting in civil disobedience. He's a bad, bad boy who does bad, bad things for bad, bad reasons. 22:04 <@Corydon76-work> You have to fight that in the legislature 22:05 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Well yes, that's the reason why the EFF and everyone else is joining suit. They think the CFAA is unconstitutional, or at least too murky to be proper. 22:05 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Reagan signed it into law after he watched War Games and, in his senility, thought it was a documentary, for chrissakes. 22:06 <@Corydon76-work> I think that's grasping at straws 22:07 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Okay. I'm going to go with the EFF, Mark Jaffe, Orin Kerry, etc., on the legal interpretation here, as opposed to yours. 22:07 <@Corydon76-work> You're welcome to 22:07 <@klixa> anarchival: you remind me of the people i knew in Malibu 22:09 <@Corydon76-work> I think the EFF does fine work, especially when it comes to trying to convince legislators, as well as helping get COPPA struck down as being unconstitutionally broad. 22:10 <@Corydon76-work> But CFAA has been tested in court with cases far more favorable than weev, and they've lost. 22:10 <@Dagmar> I think the CFAA is fine. 22:10 <@Dagmar> I think people have lost their fucking _minds_ in interpreting it 22:10 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: it ok because your from Kentucky 22:11 <@Dagmar> ...and it's that mental retardation on the level of "Would you define 'is', please?" that is why it was twisted to landing weev in jail 22:11 <@Dagmar> A fucking sequentially assigned numeric ID with a small keyspace is such an idiotic thing to be used as authentication that someone could probably be sued for criminal negligence over it in other circumstances 22:12 <@Dagmar> In _reasonable_ terms, it is *not* an authentication or authorization mechanism 22:12 <@Dagmar> ...but when crazy fuckers start questioning the color of the goddamn sky because someone from Apple is screaming blue murder and threatening campaign donations... 22:12 <@Dagmar> Well, fuck those people. 22:13 <@eryc> if he had reported the flaw to at&t he wouldn't be in jail, he tried to make himself famous and got a giant dose of reality 22:13 <@Dagmar> The government is no longer on the side of the good people. 22:14 <@Dagmar> Hey AT&T did something phenomenally stupid and weev was the one to bitch slap them for it 22:14 <@eryc> good people don't public innocent users information 22:14 <@Corydon76-work> eryc: more particularly, if he had reported the flaw to AT&T and not run a couple million queries against the service, he would be fine. 22:14 <@eryc> publish* 22:14 <@eryc> Corydon76-work: yep 22:15 <@Corydon76-work> Somewhere in the neighborhood of "Look at all these other email addresses I can harvest", he moved into the realm of exceeding his authority in accessing a protected computer 22:15 <@Dagmar> He published email addresses 22:15 <@Dagmar> Big fucking deal 22:15 <@Dagmar> We already established just this month that a bunch of fucking companies are publishing email addresses tied to motherfucking credit cards, but only to other companies that pay them money for it 22:16 <@Dagmar> If weev is a criminal, those motherfuckers are the goddamn yakuza 22:16 <@Corydon76-work> Publishing it is not the crime. That's merely evidence that he exceeded his authority in gathering them 22:16 <@anarchival> Why should hackers do AT&T's job for them? They don't pay fucking bug bounties. 22:16 <@Dagmar> Yeah well the problem there is that it required absolutely no authority to get them 22:16 <@anarchival> If AT&T wants to keep the egg of their faces, then they should improve their bullshit security on their own time and on their own dime. 22:16 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: that is where you are interpreting the law 22:17 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: In any other instance, whatever you publish on a website that doesn't require authentication to get at is _by default_ considered to be published publicly 22:17 <@Dagmar> This all got hashed out in the 90's 22:17 <@anarchival> They sure as hell shouldn't have the power to throw someone in federal prison for discovering a security flaw and publicizing it. 22:17 <@Corydon76-work> What you view as "authority" and what prosecutors view as "authority" is in conflict. 22:17 <@Dagmar> One doesn't get to decide after the fact 22:18 <@Dagmar> ...and one doesn't get to publish information publicly and then punish people for seeing it 22:18 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: They don't. A court, after a trial with weev represented by good lawyers, did that 22:18 <@anarchival> Where is the consumer protection in that? What happens when it's actually something that might hurt customers, and they don't want to bring it to light much less fix it? 22:18 <@Dagmar> I would argue that his lawyers were not, in fact, up to the task 22:18 <@eryc> you don't be a dumbass and you post to FD anonymously 22:18 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: now you're making a moral argument 22:18 <@eryc> that's what 22:18 <@Corydon76-work> Not a legal one 22:19 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Exactly. weev went to prison for publishing some email addresses for longer than those football players did for gang-raping a girl. 22:19 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Which sort of illustrates the gross imbalance of power in our injustice system. 22:19 <@Corydon76-work> NO. The publication is merely evidence that he committed a crime, not the crime itself 22:19 <@Dagmar> He should have *maybe* gotten probation for being such a dick 22:19 <@eryc> anarchival: how long is your asshat in jail for anyway? 22:19 <@anarchival> The corporations don't have any motivation to implement better security. 22:19 <@Dagmar> ...but he got thrown into the fuckin cell for something that harmed no one 22:20 <@eryc> spam hurts bro 22:20 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Incorrect. 22:20 <@Corydon76-work> Whether he published the addresses or not is irrelevant. How he obtained the email addresses is the crime 22:20 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Read the briefs. 22:20 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: If he hadn't published, there would have been no crime. 22:20 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-50-160-240-41.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: wtfsleepomg] 22:20 <@Dagmar> eryc: Yes, and I still believe we should pillory spammers, but there are far fucking larger databases out there for the having 22:20 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Certainly not one that could have landed him in federal prison. 22:21 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: if he hadn't published, nobody would have realized there was a crime. There's a difference 22:21 <@Dagmar> No. 22:21 <@Dagmar> If he hadn't published no one would have known he'd had access to that 22:21 <@Dagmar> There was no crime. 22:21 <@anarchival> eryc: 3.5 years, then he won't be allowed to touch a computer until 2019, unless he wins his appeal. 22:21 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: correct. That's EVIDENCE. 22:21 <@anarchival> eryc: the feds have got another charge waiting, though, for as soon as he gets out 22:21 <@Bahhumbug> Christ.. 22:21 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: if you smoke dope in your apartment, and there are no witnesses, is that a crime? 22:22 <@Dagmar> As far as I am concermed? No. 22:22 <@Bahhumbug> He's a criminal. He's a douchebag. He got what he got because the universe is a just place after all. 22:22 <@Corydon76-work> Well, there's your interpretation of the law 22:22 <@Dagmar> If I smoke weed on the sidewalk, as far as I care it's not a crime, either. 22:22 <@Corydon76-work> You can commit a crime, even if there's no evidence left behind. 22:22 <@Dagmar> Witnesses or not 22:23 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: +1 22:23 <@Corydon76-work> Now, you won't be convicted without evidence, but it was still a crime, evidence or no 22:23 <@Dagmar> But you are fucking conflating two entirely separate issues 22:23 <@Dagmar> The law is pretty clear 22:23 <@Dagmar> It was deliberately misinterpreted 22:23 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, the law is very clear 22:23 <@Dagmar> Let me put this another way 22:23 <@Corydon76-work> When he exceeded his authority to access a protected computer, he committed a crime. 22:23 <@Dagmar> In the 90's, there was a fucking jackass running a host with the domain name "all.net" 22:23 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: You seem to be missing the fact that weev *reporting that AT&T had a security flaw* is the actual "crime" that put him away. It's not just the evidence for it. That act was the crime. 22:24 <@Corydon76-work> The list of addresses was evidence to point AT&T to how he exceeded his authority 22:24 <@Dagmar> If you were so unlucky as to touch his box twice in a 24 hour period, he would loose the fucking hounds 22:24 <@Dagmar> His thought that was without an explicit invitation, no one had any "authorization" to connect to his site. Including over finger, http, or telnet. 22:24 <@Dagmar> This is a load of utter insanity. 22:24 <@anarchival> Which is, frankly, why so many security researchers are joining in as amicus to the suit. 22:25 <@anarchival> It's a terrible, terrible precedent under the CFAA. 22:25 <@Dagmar> Nothign in AT&Ts system ever presented any kind of authorization challenge 22:25 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I still think he's going to lose the appeal 22:25 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I do too. It's still worth fighting. 22:25 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: You're thinking about authentication, not authorization. 22:25 <@Dagmar> There was no buffer overflow or any other technical measure in place that needed to be bypassed to avoid it happening, it was designed from the ground up to _not question anyone_ 22:26 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Frankly the government's briefs in the case are bullshit. They read like they were written by a 2L summer intern. 22:26 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: if you want into a house when the front door is wide open, and you steal the silverware, it doesn't matter that you weren't challenged by a lock 22:26 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: if you put something on a port 80 service, the law's view is (under normal circumstances) that you _implicitly have authorization_ 22:26 <@Dagmar> Otherwise the web just doesn't fucking work 22:26 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: So who knows? But I don't have a lot of confidence in the Courts rulling in weev's favor. He's less likeable than Larry Flynt. 22:27 <@Dagmar> This shit was decided in the 90's 22:27 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: as I said, this is better off fought in the legislature, not in the courts. 22:27 <@Corydon76-work> We know how the courts will rule 22:27 <@Dagmar> Yeah they'll probably continue to rule that rich corporations get to throw people in jail at will 22:28 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: We never know how the Courts will rule. But yes, passing a new law would be swell. The Courts *could* be the impetus for that, though. There's certainly not a grassroots movement afoot to rewrite it. 22:28 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: I think the issue is how he obtained the URL, in that it wasn't a default page or linked from other (legitimate) pages 22:28 <@Dagmar> ...and it this completely insane and unworkable interpretation of the CFAA is allowed to stand, the internet is broken 22:28 <@Dagmar> Permanently. 22:29 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: No, it's not, because he could have just as easily been shown the URL with no explanation by someone else 22:29 <@Dagmar> I had that shit from all.net personally trying to get me into trouble with Edge.net 22:29 <@anarchival> If manually altering or incrementing a URL in order to explore a site is "hacking," I've been a much naughtier girl than I even realized. 22:29 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: I'm missing an important word in the statute: "intentionally" 22:29 <@Dagmar> ...because I pinged his box, hit port 80, and hit port 23. 22:29 <@Corydon76-work> That shit with all.net was inadvertent 22:30 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Where in AT&Ts system did it challenge him 22:30 <@Dagmar> A public webserver is a public webserver. 22:30 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: authentication is not in the statute, only authorization 22:30 <@Dagmar> It's stupid for them to give that information out without requring something, but they still did it 22:30 <@Dagmar> Nothing in what the system was doing implied that he required authorization to be there. 22:30 <@Corydon76-work> Well, they did require something, a piece of data that was difficult to guess 22:31 <@Dagmar> No, it was not difficult to guess 22:31 <@anarchival> ...which is again, why the CFAA is such a poorly written law. It's not designed to regulate the behavior it was intended to regulate within the context of how the Internet actually works. 22:31 <@Corydon76-work> He ran a couple million queries and CAME UP EMPTY a large portion of the time 22:31 <@Dagmar> That only means those serials hadn't been used yet 22:31 <@Dagmar> Not that they would not eventually exist 22:31 <@eryc> he picked a fight he couldnt win 22:32 <@eryc> he deserves all he gets 22:32 <@anarchival> eryc: Nothing wrong with picking fights you can't win. The best fights always are. 22:32 <@Dagmar> IT wasn't even a number that requires an exponent element to it for pete's sake 22:32 <@eryc> if he was smart he would have posted anonymously 22:32 <@RangerZ> i've found vulnerabilities in systems that cost more than i'll ever make in my lifetime, and nothing happened because of responsible desclosure 22:32 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: you're still not addressing the fact that he wrote to others about intending to cover-up his actions 22:32 <@Dagmar> Not like he was having to wade through a space of 56^8 or something 22:32 <@anarchival> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpDkYZWeeVg 22:32 < GateKeeper> Title: Clint Eastwood - Unforgiven - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 22:33 <@RangerZ> it doesn't get you in the headlines as much... but lets be honest... i'd rather not be in the headlines if i get what weev gets 22:33 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yeah, he was breaking the law and he knew it. weev has beat eight different felony indictments in Arkansas already. He's a black hat. 22:33 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately, if you plan a "comspiracy" for something that happens to be legal, that conspiracy does not constitute a crime, either 22:34 <@Dagmar> There's a lot of shit he probably shoudl be in jail for. 22:34 <@Dagmar> Him being in jail for this one fucks up a ton of things 22:34 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: you mean us planning wilpig's surprise birthday party isn't going to be illegal? darn.. nevermind then 22:34 <@RangerZ> he lost b/c he was an asshole 22:34 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Only if they make birthday parties require explicit authorization 22:34 <@anarchival> It's typical prosecution tricks. They can't get him on what he should really go away for, so they get him on some bullshit charge that ends up creating a precedent that hurts other people. 22:34 <@RangerZ> thats how the 'justice' system works when you allow private companies to OWN prisons 22:35 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: no, he lost because he violated the law. A lot of people have no sympathy for his loss, because he's an asshole. 22:35 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-50-160-240-41.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:35 <@Dagmar> This particular precedent is mightmrishly bad because it means people can now go to jail for exposing criminal stupidity 22:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 22:35 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-50-160-240-41.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:35 <@RangerZ> nah, if he was sympathetic the jury would have found him not guilty 22:35 <@RangerZ> swaying the jury is often more important than 'guilty' of a crime 22:35 <@eryc> which makes weev all the worse of a person because he's an asshole and fucked things up for everyone else 22:36 <@RangerZ> at least for finding someone 'not guilty' 22:36 <@Dagmar> It would *not* have been impossible for AT&T to have assigned each of those fucking units a challenge code 22:36 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: for me, once he started covering up, he lost all ability to declare non-intention, which is a defense, given the verbiage of the law 22:36 <@Dagmar> In fact, since they were already loading fucking software onto thme, they should have done it 22:36 <@anarchival> eryc: I tend to think prosecutors have more of a responsibility not to fuck up the law for everyone else than black hat hacker-trolls. 22:36 <@Dagmar> THey didn't. 22:36 <@Dagmar> THey left the system stupidly open and requiring no authorization. 22:37 <@Corydon76-work> If you claim an innocent mistake, it's not intentional, and thus it fails the text of the CFAA statute 22:37 <@eryc> anarchival: prosecutors have 1 job and thats to get convictions 22:37 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: It's true that could have been a defense. Frankly it doesn't matter either way. The law is still wrong. 22:37 <@Dagmar> Fucking video game companies do this shit all the tim 22:37 <@Dagmar> It's called a fucking serial activation code 22:38 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: but is it unconstitutionally wrong? 22:38 <@Corydon76-work> and if so, how? 22:38 <@Dagmar> I think the law is fine 22:38 <@Dagmar> I think they redefined authorization in an incredibly stupid way 22:38 <@Dagmar> THey set up a system that didn't require any 22:38 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: again, you're conflating authentication with authorization 22:39 <@anarchival> eryc: Incorrect: http://www.americanbar.org/publications/criminal_justice_section_archive/crimjust_standards_pfunc_blk.html 22:39 < GateKeeper> Title: Prosecution Function | Criminal Justice Section (at www.americanbar.org) 22:39 <@Dagmar> Nor did it mention that any was required 22:39 <@Corydon76-work> The law does not mention authentication, only authorization 22:39 < dasunt> So I came up with a theory about men and women. 22:39 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Even classified documents don't get someone in trouble _unless they're fucking labeled_ 22:39 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I think so, and some people who are much much smarter than me in these matters thinks so, but we'll see. 22:39 <@RangerZ> Corydon76-work: only because thats how the web works 22:39 <@RangerZ> if it is public, you are authorized 22:39 <@Dagmar> AT&T decided _after the fact_ that the system required authorization 22:39 <@Dagmar> You don't get to do that 22:40 < dasunt> When a woman is faced with an incompetent boss, they think "well if my boss sucks badly and has their job, I must really be bad to be in my job!" 22:40 <@RangerZ> otherwise don't put it on a public server, and thats the problem, that law doesnt state that 22:40 < dasunt> Men think "I should have my boss's job!" 22:40 <@Dagmar> If it had required authorization, they would have designed that into the system 22:40 <@Dagmar> They simply decided post facto that it required authorization, because they were embarassed. 22:41 <@Corydon76-work> Think of copyright as authorization. If you have sheet music protected by copyright, and you copy the sheet music, you're exceeding your authorization 22:41 <@Corydon76-work> _Nothing_ prevents you from copying sheet music, other than the law which says you don't have authority to do that. 22:42 <@eryc> lets say we have a pin pad that requires a 4 digit code to unlock 22:42 <@Corydon76-work> There's no password, and yet you're not allowed to do that. 22:42 <@Dagmar> No you're not. 22:42 <@Dagmar> You're violating copyright 22:42 <@eryc> weev starts trying 4 digit pins to unlock the door 22:42 <@Dagmar> You're not committing treason either 22:42 <@eryc> is that illegal? 22:42 <@anarchival> eryc: I hope not, because I watched some students at Belmont do that very thing just the other day... 22:42 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikgyeamidjffckpl] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:42 <@Dagmar> A lock would imply authentication and that implies authorization 22:42 <@eryc> i mean, if they were competent because they would have used longer pins 22:42 <@Dagmar> There was no lock on this system. No warning banner either. 22:42 <@eryc> -because 22:42 <@Corydon76-work> No, a lock only implies authentication 22:42 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ckpgkzzgzhvwfvyl] has joined #se2600 22:43 <@anarchival> Actually they were math majors, so they were also calculating probabilities of combinations while they did this, making it even closer to weev's case. Arithmetic is a dangerous thing. 22:43 <@Dagmar> If part of the HTTP headers had said "Blah blah authorization reuired section 1080 blah blah" I'd be on the prosecutions side 22:43 <@Corydon76-work> If you "borrow" a key from your boss and access a supply closet you're not otherwise supposed to be in, you had authentication, but not authorization 22:44 <@Dagmar> Except in weev's case, there was no lock, there was no key, there was no closet, and all the shit was on a billboard in an alley 22:44 <@anarchival> So AT&T publishes email address on the Web, granting authorization. They do not require authentication. Where's the crime? 22:44 <@Corydon76-work> Unless your boss explicitly gave you the key and explicitly authorized you to be in that room, you had no authorization to be there 22:44 <@Corydon76-work> And that's true even if the room is unlocked and did not require a key. 22:44 <@Dagmar> People walk down alleys and look at things all the time 22:44 <@Dagmar> It's not illegal unless there's _at least_ signage saying something 22:44 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: But the Web isn't a private room. 22:45 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I think it's pushing it to say that the email address was published 22:45 <@Dagmar> The web _does not work_ without authorization being implcit and automatic until a challenge is presented 22:45 <@Dagmar> A hidden URL is not a credential challenge 22:45 <@Dagmar> An unpublished URL is not a credential challenge 22:45 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: you're right in the sense that _that should be_ how the law is written, but the law is so funky that it isn't, and thats the root problem here, also... that we don't have criminal liability for companies who leak information online 22:46 <@Corydon76-work> It's one thing if there's a URL on AT&T's site that points to the utility that gave out the email address. It's quite another for you to blindly stab at URLs until you find something you find interesting 22:46 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I don't. AT&T did a piss poor job of securing customer information and I think weev did a public service by bringing their incompetence to everyone's attention. 22:46 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: No, you do it all the time. 22:46 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I don't disagree with that assessment, IFF that's all weev did. 22:46 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: This isn't even the worst example of how negligent they are with customer security; it's just a well-known one because of the big scary troll. 22:46 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Did you get authorization for going to www.wired.com? No. You go to that site and dozens of others blindly assuming there's something at the root URL 22:47 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: was the email address accessed at the root URL? 22:47 <@RangerZ> AT&T should have been charge with at _least_ a misdameaner(sp?) for criminal negligence 22:47 <@Dagmar> NOpe. It was accessed by simply watching anotehr iPad do it 22:47 <@Dagmar> People explore APIs all the time 22:47 <@Dagmar> That doesn't make it a felony 22:47 <@anarchival> Yep. I do this exact sort of thing all the time. 22:47 <@RangerZ> nvm, keep it illegal 22:47 <@RangerZ> -_- 22:47 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: people smoke dope all the time. That doesn't make it a fel- oh, wait, yes, it does. 22:48 <@anarchival> If I discover something interesting, then I have a "well, now," moment, just like the GNAA guys did. 22:48 <@Dagmar> It's a misdemenor 22:48 <@Dagmar> Not a felony 22:48 <@Dagmar> Above a certain level it becomes a felony 22:48 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, so you're now admitting that when somebody smokes dope, it's a crime, whether or not there's evidence after the fact. 22:48 <@Dagmar> Yes, but not a felony 22:49 <@anarchival> Under this law, if I report what I discovered in such a way that customers are advised there is a security breach, I go to prison. 22:49 <@Dagmar> ...and in some states it's not even any kind of crime at all. 22:49 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: that's not true 22:49 <@RangerZ> so says the state, but not the fed. gov't 22:49 <@anarchival> If I quietly sell the shit to the Russian mob or try to blackmail a major corporation, then I don't go to prison. 22:49 <@Dagmar> It is _far_ better that we have people expose these problems without malice towards the information stakeholders 22:49 <@anarchival> It's a dangerous precedent not just legally, but in terms of how we want security research to actually operate. 22:49 <@Corydon76-work> I know a ton of cases where somebody reported a zero-day to the public, and there was nothing any prosecutor could do 22:50 <@Dagmar> ...and the only people it could be said weev had malice against was AT&T 22:50 <@Corydon76-work> Because the person reporting it wasn't exceeding their authority on protected computers 22:50 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: but AT&T has money, you can break the law all the time, as long as you don't hurt big companies 22:50 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: That'e because no prosecutors there were being backed up by angry corporations threatning campaign donations 22:50 <@RangerZ> DUH 22:50 <@anarchival> http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/11/hacking-choice-and-disclosure/ 22:51 < GateKeeper> Title: Forget Disclosure Hackers Should Keep Security Holes to Themselves | Wired Opinion | Wired.com (at www.wired.com) 22:51 <@eryc> i know that i dont need security researchers to go blabbing shit to the media every time they find a flaw 22:51 <@eryc> so if thats what you think the law should allow, you're wrong 22:51 <@Dagmar> I would MUCH prefer if they did 22:51 <@Dagmar> Things would be _safer_ if they did 22:51 <@RangerZ> also... weev didn't have any univeristy/college backing him up, there are specific laws that would have allowed ME to do what weev did 22:51 <@Corydon76-work> I would much prefer if they followed responsible disclosure 22:51 <@eryc> responsible disclosure is well defined 22:52 <@anarchival> RangerZ: which is another reason I don't like it...the only people who are allowed to hack need the backing of a university and/or DARPA? Fuck that shit. 22:52 <@Dagmar> Responsible disclosure guidelines or not, for weev to face felony charges over it is unacceptable as a precedent 22:52 <@RangerZ> hell, i went war driving for my one class, and only 1 car of people got pulled over one year 22:52 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: you're allowed to hack any computer you own or have the authority to control 22:52 <@Dagmar> AT&T could have readily slapped him with a civil suit for damage to their reputation and no one would have blinked 22:53 <@RangerZ> she means that we academics have the right to break DRM for security research, and other things like that 22:53 <@Dagmar> If however, AT&T had hired some thugs to grab weev off the street and lock him in a dungeon, that would be another matter entirely 22:53 <@RangerZ> that would have been better for society as awhole... 22:53 <@RangerZ> i mean... 22:53 <@Dagmar> Nonsense. DRM restrictions. 22:53 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: I don't think you _do_ have the right to break DRM, even for research purposes 22:53 <@RangerZ> yes we do 22:53 <@Dagmar> In theory you do. 22:53 <@Dagmar> In practice, you don't. 22:54 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: He might. They also get to break all sorts of FCC rules for radio broadcasting, and other fun and exciting stuff. 22:54 <@RangerZ> its one of the few exceptions, that isn't controlled by the librarian of congress 22:54 <@anarchival> "for research purposes only" 22:54 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: capability is different from rights 22:54 <@Dagmar> If someone really embarassed the bluray collective, they'd be doing time for it 22:54 <@Dagmar> Legal or not 22:54 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: Ah, okay 22:55 <@RangerZ> not if you publish properly and in your paper never say blu-ray, just say 'major high density compact disc' or w/e we found a flaw by doing X,Y, and Z, and it allowed us to find the master key it was using.." without ever saying which manf. or w/e 22:55 <@RangerZ> its how you get away with breaking the DRM on cars and all that too 22:55 <@Corydon76-work> So the university lobby has written a nice little exception into the law for themselves 22:56 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Actually the government is happy to give it to them, considering how many of the wonderful toys the military-industrial complex uses come out of research universities. 22:56 <@RangerZ> because if you just say what you found, and don't use a manf's name, they cant sue you, which is silly, but ehh 22:56 * anarchival can't be the only person in here who's watched Real Genius. 22:57 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: well, sure, trademark infringement 22:57 <@RangerZ> no thats not it 22:57 <@RangerZ> you can 'report' on any fact about a company without infringing trademark 22:57 <@RangerZ> even if it is to report a vulnerability 22:57 <@anarchival> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUKi0h5ZwPg 22:57 < GateKeeper> Title: Real Genius (1985) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 22:58 <@RangerZ> it just maeks it look like you were being responsible in your disclosure 22:58 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: yes, but the publication of a paper is more about using the reputation of a company to boost your own reputation 22:58 <@RangerZ> even if it is 'easy-ish' to figure out who you were talkinga bout 22:58 <@Corydon76-work> Or something like that 22:59 <@Corydon76-work> I know what you're talking about; I just don't remember the legal term for it 22:59 <@anarchival> Holy shit Gabriel Jarret was on The West Wing. 22:59 <@Corydon76-work> And how long ago did that go off the air? 22:59 <@anarchival> Also, The American President. 23:00 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Umm...many years ago. 23:00 <@anarchival> He is not unattractive as a grown man. 23:01 <@Corydon76-work> He's 44. 23:02 <@Corydon76-work> A bit outside of my preferred range 23:02 * dasunt ponders. 23:02 <@RangerZ> Corydon76-work: isn't peaches 50? didn't you just say that the other night? 23:02 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I tend to date men who are about ten years older than me, so that sounds right. 23:02 <@Corydon76-work> Peaches is 29 23:02 <@RangerZ> ohh 23:03 <@RangerZ> your ex? 23:03 <@Corydon76-work> My ex will be 50 this year 23:03 <@RangerZ> i could have _sworn_ you said ... ok.. thats who 23:03 <@Corydon76-work> He just turned 49 in November 23:03 <@anarchival> I wish I had some vodka. I hate going to bed sober. 23:04 <@RangerZ> ? 23:04 <@eryc> alcoholism 23:04 <@Corydon76-work> There isn't a juice joint within walking distance? 23:04 <@RangerZ> notacon was the last time I drank... yes april 23:04 <@eryc> don't give her vodka she'll just go on a tirade against everyone again 23:04 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Well sure, but I don't have a lot of money at the moment and besides that it's *cold.* 23:05 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: that just means the vodka will be good and chilled by the time you get home 23:05 <@Corydon76-work> and then you can use it to warm your bones 23:06 <@RangerZ> does TN have a 'no drinking in public' law? 23:06 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: If it were a liquor store, this would be a plan. The Pub doesn't let me take travelers. 23:06 <@Evilpig> it's official. my step-dad is a saint. I could never put up with my mother when she's drunk. holy shit... 23:07 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, when I said "juice joint" I meant a liquor store. 23:08 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Yes 23:08 <@RangerZ> figured, but i never really gave it any thought 23:10 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: we mention it at the beginning of every PhreakNIC 23:10 <@klixa> i need to get drunk 23:10 <@klixa> super motherfuckign drunk 23:10 <@RangerZ> i've never actually made it the _begining_ of one, always in class or something 23:11 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: please wait until after your kid has stopped nursing 23:11 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: you can pump and dump 23:11 <@klixa> i woudl NEVER ever get my baby drunk 23:11 <@RangerZ> you fail at being an irish mother with a teething baby then 23:12 <@RangerZ> some irish whiskey is just the trick for that, lol 23:12 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: I thought that was just to numb the gums, not to get the baby drunk 23:12 <@RangerZ> i'm joking obviously, lol 23:12 <@anarchival> I've heard tell that my great-aunt used to give the kids in the family NyQuil when they were being too rambunctious. 23:12 <@anarchival> Pro Tip! 23:12 <@klixa> benedryl 23:13 <@Corydon76-work> Actually, half a cup of coffee will work for the ADHD 23:13 <@Corydon76-work> Caffeine has a reverse effect on the hyperactive 23:13 <@Dagmar> Truth 23:14 <@klixa> im adhd ...meth works better 23:14 <@Dagmar> I wind up taking a shot glass of Mt. Dew or Coca Cola as a sleep aid a few times a month 23:14 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: You know I'm drinking energy drinks right now, right? 23:15 <@klixa> Dagmar: how is a shot glass enough to matter 23:15 <@klixa> thats only like, 10mg of caffeine 23:15 <@Corydon76-work> True, I have to pee immediately after drinking, but I sleep like a log 23:16 < dasunt> You don't wake up after a little bit? 23:16 <@Corydon76-work> dasunt: who, me? 23:18 <@Corydon76-work> I've been known to sleep through a thunderstorm severe enough that the lightning looked like a strobe light outside the bedroom window. Actually, I tried sleeping through that, and my ex was shaking me awake. He thought the house was going to come down. 23:18 < dasunt> Corydon76-work: Aye. 23:18 < dasunt> IIRC, alcohol metabolizes into something that wakes you up after awhile. 23:18 <@Corydon76-work> dasunt: energy drink doesn't contain any alcohol 23:19 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: you can get energy drinks with alcohol 23:19 < dasunt> Wait, what? 23:19 <@Corydon76-work> It's all caffeine 23:19 < dasunt> I'm thinking booze for some reason. 23:19 < dasunt> Prolly cause I've been drinking. 23:19 <@Corydon76-work> I probably drink about 500mg of caffeine a day 23:19 * dasunt likes the gin. 23:19 <@Evilpig> I've been drinking too but I stopped a few hours ago 23:20 < dasunt> Evilpig: Quitter. 23:20 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.tumblr.com/post/74561948086/the-makers-mark-distillery-was-closed-because-of 23:20 < GateKeeper> Title: Pig Angry! PIG SMASH! The maker’s mark distillery was closed because of... (at wilpig.tumblr.com) 23:20 <@Corydon76-work> Maybe less. Maybe only 400mg 23:20 <@Evilpig> I had to drive 23:20 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: so what's stopping you now? 23:20 < dasunt> Evilpig: That's your fault for living where there's no bus service. 23:21 <@Evilpig> no booze where I am at the moment 23:21 < dasunt> Speaking of which, I actually managed to drink so much on Friday after work that I was drunk for the whole bus ride home. 23:21 <@Evilpig> I had to drive my drunk mother home. never want to do that again 23:21 < dasunt> It amazed the hell out of me. 23:21 <@Corydon76-work> Ah. I've got plenty of booze; I'm just too lazy to drink 23:21 <@Evilpig> i heard "do you know where you're going" at least a dozen times on the way home 23:21 <@Evilpig> it was 7 miles 23:22 * dasunt thinks Evilpig found out what hell is like. 23:22 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: that's when you intentionally take a wrong turn, park on the side of the road, get out, look at the stars, and scratch your head a couple times 23:23 <@Evilpig> at one point I answered with we're going straight on this road for 6 miles. she pointed at the scale marker on the prius's gps and said "but that says 5" it was 0.5mi 23:23 <@Corydon76-work> "I was navigating by the stars, but the night sky looks wrong to me for some reason." 23:24 <@Evilpig> I had my phone on the dash and my headset on so she couldn't hear the bitch in the box telling me where to go 23:25 <@Dagmar> "I'm using my manly homing instincts. Just trust me." 23:25 <@brimstone> sniff the air 23:25 <@Corydon76-work> The other approach is the passive-aggressive "Would YOU like to drive?" 23:25 <@brimstone> that always gets them 23:25 <@Evilpig> I can't sniff the air. fuckin' allergies 23:25 <@klixa> getting lost can be fun sometimes.... 23:26 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: my doctor put me on Flonase. The meth precursor is apparently bad for our hearts 23:26 <@Evilpig> klixa: not with your mother 23:26 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: enjoy the nose bleeds 23:26 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: haven't had any yet 23:26 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: oh...i thought that was legit... 23:26 * klixa has done a lot of driving for nothing then 23:26 <@klixa> kidding...i dont give a fuck if people follow maps or whatever 23:26 <@Corydon76-work> Well, other than bleeds due to dry air 23:26 <@Evilpig> after about a month of regular usage I started getting nose bleeds randomly. 23:27 <@Corydon76-work> But that's been plaguing me since childhood 23:27 <@eryc> that was the coke addiction Evilpig 23:27 <@Evilpig> it was to the point where if I bent over a server odds are it has some of my dna now 23:27 <@Corydon76-work> Good stuff 23:27 <@anarchival> After logging more than a few hours traveling in the car with sophrinix, I've concluded that Siri is a lying bitch and AI is out to get us. 23:28 <@Corydon76-work> Thanks to scifi shows, you can now use the excuse, "Sorry, I was exercising my telekinesis, and then this happened." 23:28 <@Evilpig> anarchival: blood offerings to the computer gods. you must make more 23:29 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: And that's why I don't try to piss off the computer gods 23:30 <@eryc> http://elitedaily.com/news/world/porn-star-christy-mack-announces-shell-give-a-to-whoever-makes-best-lego-creation-for-her/ 23:30 < GateKeeper> Title: Porn Star Christy Mack Announces Shell Give A Blowjob To Whoever Makes Best Lego Creation For Her | Elite Daily (at elitedaily.com) 23:30 <@brimstone> Shell 23:30 <@Corydon76-work> It would not surprise me in the least to discover that you pissed off the wrong Apple programmer, who is now conspiring to have Siri direct you off a cliff. 23:33 * anarchival smears menstrual blood across her forehead, then raises the knife to plunge into Evilpig's body now tied to the altar. 23:33 <@anarchival> Psht. I offer blowjobs as rewards all the time. Does shit get done? No. 23:33 <@anarchival> That's so fucking sexist, too. Does a blow job include cunnilingus? 23:34 * Evilpig hands anarchival a box full of isa sound cards. 23:34 <@Evilpig> pay your dues to the computer gods if you want their favor 23:34 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: probably 23:35 <@Evilpig> they prefer finger blood from the most disgustingly dirty cases you can find 23:35 * anarchival consults the urban dictionary. 23:35 <@anarchival> No. No, it does not. 23:37 <@eryc> how is it sexist that she's offering blow jobs? 23:38 <@eryc> that's retarded 23:38 <@klixa> wtf 23:38 <@anarchival> So women Lego aficianados *by definition* cannot win this contest. 23:38 <@eryc> so what 23:38 <@eryc> she likes giving blowjobs not eating pussy 23:38 <@brimstone> i like how urban dictionary was sited as a trusted source 23:40 <@Evilpig> gonna finish fixing this code that I had started doing before I went to that wedding thing 23:42 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:43 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 23:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 23:43 <@klixa> um...i got flooded 23:43 <@klixa> how do i know who did it 23:43 -!- spaceB0x_ [~spaceB0x@c-68-52-126-92.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:43 * klixa has never been flooded before 23:43 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: if you're offering blowjobs for things and not offering cunnilingus, isn't that similarly sexist? 23:43 <@Dagmar> Generally, you don't 23:43 * anarchival summons hoards of angry feminists to protest, from a puff of purple smoke they charge out screaming. 23:43 <@Dagmar> Unless they're complete idiots they'll have spoofed the source 23:43 <@Dagmar> The perpetrator is the last ignorant shit who was mouthing off 23:44 <@Dagmar> My suggestion, ignore them until they come within reach, and then pan their face in 23:44 <@Dagmar> I am not speaking figuratively 23:44 <@Corydon76-work> Generally "excess flood" only refers to things you're actually sending to the network 23:44 <@Corydon76-work> not things you're receiving 23:45 <@klixa> ok, better question...how do i avoid being flooded? 23:45 <@eryc> use a cloak 23:45 <@klixa> i have a cloak 23:46 <@eryc> then you weren't flooded 23:46 <@Corydon76-work> Are you running any interesting scripts that auto-reply to certain things? 23:46 <@klixa> 22:42:45 klixa has left IRC (Excess Flood) 23:46 <@klixa> 22:42:45 Disconnected 23:46 <@klixa> 22:43:07 You have joined the channel 23:46 <@klixa> eryc: ^^ 23:46 <@eryc> that means you were flooding the server 23:46 <@klixa> why was i doing that? 23:46 <@eryc> did you paste something in another channel 23:46 <@klixa> no 23:47 <@Corydon76-work> So most likely, you have a script that auto-replies 23:47 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:47 <@klixa> ^^ 23:48 <@klixa> hmmm 23:48 <@klixa> i dont have one that i am awre of, and i see noting in my server console thingamajig Corydon76-work 23:48 <@Corydon76-work> If enough disparate nicks send you PING requests, the responses can flood you off 23:49 -!- spaceB0x [~spaceB0x@c-68-52-126-92.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 23:49 <@brimstone> network lag can cause excess flood too 23:49 <@brimstone> especially if your client pings or NOTIFYs once a second or whatever 23:50 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, basically it's a form of an amplification attack, where your response exceeds the request 23:50 <@Corydon76-work> There are various other ones, like a CTCP USERINFO request 23:50 <@Evilpig> they are pushing this lego movie thing really har 23:50 <@Evilpig> hard* 23:51 <@Corydon76-work> That's what she said 23:51 <@anarchival> Evilpig: I was once a sys admin. I stripped my cuticles bare on circuit boards, filled my lungs with dirt and dust under desks (shut up), ran cable through the dank and dark dungeons of despair. I am worthy. 23:51 <@anarchival> eryc: I 23:51 <@klixa> hmmm... i guess i need to protect myself better 23:52 <@eryc> always wear protection 23:52 <@anarchival> eryc: If you're too dumb to get the joke there's nothing I can do for you. 23:53 <@eryc> you were talking to me at some point? 23:53 <@klixa> anarchival: theres a rumor going around that you are a drunk...is this true? 23:54 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: The last time I did it, I offered a blow job to whoever took out Burt at poker night. Rebekah won. I asked her if she wanted my sexual favors, but she politely declined. 23:54 <@eryc> so because you're bisexual everyone should be? 23:54 <@eryc> that's awefully sexist 23:55 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: At the time I made the offer, everyone else at the table was male. 23:55 <@anarchival> Huh. 23:56 <@Dagmar> klixa: If the message of 'excess flood' was the only thing then you werne't flooded 23:56 <@anarchival> klixa: there should be an "enable flood protection" option in your client, probably somewhere under Options 23:56 <@anarchival> klixa: Not at the moment, no. 23:57 <@klixa> Dagmar: ok 23:57 <@Dagmar> IO can stack up, and too many messages could arrive at the server at once and it'll think you flooded. Or someone's ntpd might have rushed the clock forward 23:57 <@Dagmar> ...or backward for that matter 23:57 <@anarchival> eryc: trollololol 23:57 <@klixa> i think someone did it to me...i have an enemy on atm...tho i just learned they are now my enemy :/ 23:58 <@Dagmar> If you saw a message about my ping then it's unlikely someone did it to you over IRC 23:58 <@Dagmar> You'd have seen a bunch of similar messages if they were doing that 23:58 <@Dagmar> Of that I am *very* certain 23:59 <@klixa> Dagmar: i saw your ping 23:59 <@anarchival> klixa: Excess flood isn't an attack, it's a problem with your client: https://www.quakenet.org/help/general/what-do-those-quit-messages-mean 23:59 < GateKeeper> Title: QuakeNet IRC Network - Help (at www.quakenet.org) 23:59 <@Dagmar> OKay then someone almsot certainly wasn't using multiple clients to force your client to exceed flood thresholds by having many clients ctcp you at once 23:59 <@Dagmar> Probably a server fuckup 23:59 <@Dagmar> Unlikely to be something someone did to you 23:59 <@klixa> ok --- Log closed Sun Jan 26 00:00:55 2014