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04:48 <@NotLarry> What part of texas?
04:53 <@NotLarry> oops, wrong window
06:11 <@Shadow404> @weather titusville, fl
06:11 < GateKeeper> Shadow404: Titusville, FL :: Clear :: 36F | Wind Chill: 32F | Thursday: Partly cloudy in the morning, then clear. High of 59F. Winds from the NNW at 5 to 10 mph. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy. Low of 41F. Winds from the NNW at 5 to 15 mph.
06:11 <@Shadow404> thats right...
06:36 < aestetix> vagina
07:36 <@NotLarry> @weather 37221
07:36 < GateKeeper> NotLarry: Nashville, TN :: Mostly Cloudy :: 20F | Wind Chill: 9F | Thursday: Overcast in the morning, then partly cloudy. High of 21F with a windchill as low as 3F. Breezy. Winds from the NNW at 10 to 20 mph. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy in the evening, then clear. Low of 12F. Winds from the NNW at 5 to 15 mph.
08:18 <@Evilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3zjRcMnRNY  lol
08:19 < GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness - Junk Mail - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
08:20 < aestetix> @weather vagina
08:20 < GateKeeper> aestetix: ERROR: I got an error searching for vagina. (querynotfound: No cities match your search query)
08:27 <@Evilpig> damnit.  why did I get such an early flight?  it's looking like I will need to be at the train station in the morning at 4:50am
08:38 < aestetix> what airport?
08:38 <@Evilpig> lga
08:38 < aestetix> oh god
08:38 < aestetix> have fun with that
08:39 <@Evilpig> yeah.  it was the best option available
08:39 <@Evilpig> the flight is at 8:45
08:40 <@Evilpig> so I figure I need to be at the airport by 7:30,  it should take about an hour to get there from penn station. so I have to be there by 6:30 at the latest.  express train from new brunswick to nyc penn takes about an hour
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08:51 < RangerZ> mother fucker.... I probably just saved myself like 1$ worth of electricity
08:51 < aestetix> at least you won't be dealing with rush hour
08:51 <@Evilpig> a whole dollar?  
08:51 < RangerZ> i HAD to have put that much power back into the system , by the shock I got from flipping the light switch
08:52 < RangerZ> fucking arced for like 1cm and was a blue light
08:54  * RangerZ hates the term "Internet of things" too... btw, had to read two journal articles on it this morning
08:54 < aestetix> RangerZ: cyber cyber mobile social
08:55 < RangerZ> is that the security of your mobile device when cybering in public?
08:55 < aestetix> no that's my startup pitch
08:56 < RangerZ> you forgot "MOOC" and "cyber physical system"
08:56 < aestetix> oh also
08:56 < aestetix> collaboration
08:56 < RangerZ> which CPS you can blame my one prof, he invented it
08:56 <@Evilpig> i like the idea that facebpook is the walmart of the internet
08:56 < RangerZ> or something *shrugs* i kinda zoned at that point
08:57 < aestetix> (I am hearing this shit a lot, one of my friends is in y combinator right now doing a project management collaboration widget)
08:57 < RangerZ> aestetix: actually there _are_ some really cool collaboration things going on
08:57 < RangerZ> but basically our software for it sucks, and most tools like that don't help
08:58 < aestetix> RangerZ: remember I'm surrounded by idiots who think radical collaboration and shit is the best thing on earth
08:58 < RangerZ> BUT... this startup built an autocad plugin that allowed like 30 people to work on the same project at once, and it was almost 1/2n speed of their control of having one person work on it alone
08:59 < RangerZ> so thats really impressive
08:59 < RangerZ> basically 'throw people at the previously linear problem'
08:59 <@Shadow404> im here
09:00 <@Shadow404> inside press center at ksc spaceport
09:00 < RangerZ> nice
09:00 < RangerZ> hopefully there isn't any terrorist attacks causing all govt buildings to shut down
09:00 <@Shadow404> will be on nasa tv at 1:30pm est
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09:01 < RangerZ> thats cool, if you can find the link to it online at some point, share it
09:01 <@Shadow404> www.nasa.gov/ntv
09:02 < RangerZ> I have better things to do at that time (like flirting with a girl on campus)
09:02 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: dont put that idea into the universe
09:02 < aestetix> Shadow404: cool
09:02 < RangerZ> i'll watch it later in the day though, if its archived
09:05 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmiF-_7PX3c looks like someone took the good parts of Assassin's creed , and put it into an RPG
09:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor - Talion Hunts Down Ratbag - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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09:16 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:16 < RangerZ> do you just have that macro'd?
09:17 <@Dolemite> No, I type it in each and every time, just for you
09:17 <@Dolemite> It's a greeting made with love
09:17 <@Shadow404> for aestetix
09:18 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: ill be on nasa tv starting around 1:30
09:18 <@Shadow404> eastern
09:18 <@Dolemite> They finally showing that expose on anal probes?
09:18 <@Shadow404> www.nasa.gov/ntv
09:19 <@Shadow404> yep, im covering the science report on anal probing
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09:31 <@Evilpig> alright I have a question and I have a feeling this is gonna be juniper specific
09:31 <@Evilpig> I have two servers.  both are connected to the same switch. for arguments sake ports 15 and 16
09:31 <@Evilpig> server1 nic1 -> switch port 15   same setup on server2
09:32 <@Evilpig> server1 shows no link.  swap the cable, still no link.  acting like a bad port on one side or the other.
09:32 <@Shadow404> press the button labled "easy"
09:32 <@Evilpig> connect a laptop to port 15 and it links right up
09:32 <@Evilpig> swap cable between server1 and server2.  both ports link up and work fine.
09:33 <@Evilpig> theories?
09:33 < RangerZ> Evilpig: could be a duplex issue(misconfiguration one of the two boxes), we had switches back at BBH that had that issue
09:33 <@Evilpig> flat vlan as well.  every port on the switch is set to vlan1
09:34 < RangerZ> not 'likely' , the switches we were using were crap tastic nortel 10mbps half duplex only or something crappy like that
09:35 < RangerZ> but showed the same problems
09:35 < RangerZ> oh wait... you swapped cables or cables' port?
09:36 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Angry japanese lolita ghosts
09:36 <@Dolemite> Might have MDX disabled on server1?
09:37 <@Dagmar> I'd like to say it's a duplexing issue, but if you can get both machines connecting at the same time, it's time to chuck a cable
09:37 < RangerZ> yeah
09:38 <@Dagmar> The angry asian girl living in it will just have to get used to her new digs at the dump.
09:38 < RangerZ> anyways, now that the angry asian girl is all happy, time to get going to class
09:42 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: both.  eventually swapping the cables between ports got both online
09:43 <@Evilpig> the neteng thinks it might be a glitch in stp
09:43 <@Evilpig> troubleshooting now
09:44 <@Evilpig> damnz
09:44 <@Evilpig> 9:43 i dunno dude
09:44 <@Evilpig> 9:43 :D
09:44 <@Evilpig> 9:43 no stp blocks
09:44 <@Evilpig> 9:43 no errors
09:44 <@Evilpig> 9:43 nothing
09:44 <@Evilpig> 9:43 no logs
09:46 <@Dagmar> I gotta do a bit of research on NTP this morning
09:47 <@Dagmar> Apparently, there's a fucking amplification issue
09:48 <@Evilpig> oh?  what are you seeing?
09:48 <@Dagmar> Un momento and I'll get the URL
09:48 <@Dagmar> http://threatpost.com/us-cert-warns-of-ntp-amplification-attacks/103573
09:49 <@Dagmar> Apparently you can ask an NTP server, over UDP, "what were the last 600 or so servers that queried you?" and it'll probably tell you
09:49 <@Dagmar> Single packet query, many packets response
09:50 <@Dagmar> Great feature for spreading out the load on tier III servers, but apparently not safe to enable across the broader internets
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09:55 <@Dolemite> eek, yeah, that would be a nasty thing to get exploited
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09:56 <@Evilpig> btw... of all the crazy fucking bugs.  http://inside-galaxy.blogspot.com/2013/12/samsung-galaxy-s3-how-to-fix-camera.html
09:56 < GateKeeper> Title: Inside Galaxy: Samsung Galaxy S3: How to Fix Camera Flashes When Alarm Goes Off After Update to the Android 4.3 (at inside-galaxy.blogspot.com)
09:58 <@Evilpig> I was laying in bed last night and whenever i'd get email the flash was going off.  it was the strangest thing
10:03 <@oddball> Well, I *was* planning on replacing the hood struts on my Caddy either yesterday or today.
10:04 <@oddball> Yesterday it was in the 20's... today it looks like the teens... I think that broom handle will continue to be used to hold up the hood.
10:09 <@Dagmar> LAZY HIPPIES
10:09 <@Dagmar> Infowarcon sstreams havent' startd yet
10:13 <@Dagmar> *grumblegruble*
10:16 <@Shadow404> second on left front row: https://twitter.com/NASASocial/status/426368254077308928/photo/1
10:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / NASASocial: The #NASASocial participants ... (at twitter.com)
10:17 <@Shadow404> abot to toyr vab, crawler and launch pads with the rocket ready to launch
10:19 <@Dagmar> What are you doing in the shot?
10:21 <@Mirage> Dagmar: they had a security notice that went out about the NTP thing last week on the freebsd-security list.
10:21 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm looking to see if there's any way to separate that command from normal queries
10:22 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: listening
10:22 <@Shadow404> ok, going off ap
10:24 <@eryc> monlist?
10:24 <@eryc> here https://www.team-cymru.org/ReadingRoom/Templates/secure-ntp-template.html
10:24 < GateKeeper> Title: Secure NTP Template - Team Cymru (at www.team-cymru.org)
10:32 <@Dagmar> eryc: Thus far I've been going with http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/AccessRestrictions#Section_6.5.1.1.2. but it's not very forthcoming about specifically what the shit memans
10:32 < GateKeeper> Title: AccessRestrictions < Support < NTP (at support.ntp.org)
11:00 <@Dolemite> yay, lunch time
11:00 <@Dolemite> or in my case, brunch time
11:03  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
11:03 < aestetix> go get your lunch, big boy
11:13 <@klixa> i havent even finished my coffee yet...:/
11:13  * Evilpig licks his finger and dunks it in klixa's coffee
11:14 <@klixa> Evilpig are you flrting with me?
11:14 <@Evilpig> nope, just burning my finger for fun
11:15 <@klixa> coffee has been cold for awhile now...
11:15 <@Mirage> Dagmar: The mitigation that was listed in the security notice was pretty much just limiting access via config, firewall, or hosts.allow
11:15 <@Evilpig> you have a vagina and are therefore an evil soulless golem by association of the last thing I had an encounter with that had one as well
11:16 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I do not find the idea of disabling NTP entirely to be a useful one
11:16 <@klixa> Evilpig: :/
11:18 <@Mirage> Dagmar: if NTP is only meant to be accessible on a corp network and not by the internet at large, then that access isn't breaking anything in the required functionality.
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11:18 <@klixa> Evilpig: well... just because one was evil and soulless doesn't mean all are :)
11:18 <@Dagmar> THat's true but I think we can actually still leave the thing so that random internet people can at least get time cynch
11:18 <@Dagmar> er synch
11:19 <@Evilpig> vagina = evil soul sucking beast.  I didn't make the rules, I just reference them
11:19 <@Dagmar> Although at the moment my own NTPd is being stubborn about synching at fucking all
11:19 <@Dagmar> Keeps reporting it's a stratum 16 server and all my other local hosts are ignoring it
11:19 <@klixa> Evilpig: men aren't much better... you spend 13 years with one... then suddenly yo get pregnant and they cheat on you with a million people
11:24 <@Shadow404> can you spot me?  @NASASocial: The #TDRS #NASASocial group poses with the @ULALaunch #AtlasV rocket launching later tonight carrying @NASA_TDRS http://t.co/0KWsv49842
11:24 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / NASASocial: The #TDRS #NASASocial group ... (at t.co)
11:24 < aestetix> aaand level 102
11:25 <@klixa> Shadow404: are you the one waving his hand?
11:25 <@Shadow404> tall one top rihht
11:26 <@Shadow404> on bus typing hard
11:26 <@klixa> Shadow404: but the right do you  mean kinda the middle..taller than everyone else?
11:26 <@klixa> but/s/by*
11:27 <@Shadow404> if pic
11:27 <@Shadow404> of
11:27 <@klixa> how tall are you..damn
11:27 <@klixa> 6 foot 6 or something?
11:27 <@Shadow404> 1 inch taller
11:28 <@klixa> wow
11:30 <@klixa> well, speaking of NASA...um..that  one day when they flew the Discovery shuttle...same day iPhone 5 came out, i saw it in Berkeley...
11:31 < aestetix> wow and here I thought level 101 was hard
11:31 <@klixa> aestetix: ?
11:31 <@klixa> of what
11:32 <@eryc> candy crush dude
11:32 <@Dagmar> http://i.imgur.com/YSeXXRj.png
11:32 <@Evilpig> klixa is female
11:32 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: lol
11:33 <@eryc> thanks bitch
11:33 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... they're a little busy right now.
11:33 < aestetix> Dagmar: is she hot?
11:34 < aestetix> guess not
11:35 <@Dagmar> dafuq is this url.hover.com shit
11:36 <@Evilpig> aestetix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z64bw5pt88htg81/2014-01-23%2016.36.24.png
11:36 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-01-23 16.36.24.png (at www.dropbox.com)
11:37 < aestetix> oh fuck you
11:37 < aestetix> is that the level you just beat?
11:37 <@Evilpig> yup
11:37 <@Evilpig> I try not to move on unless I get three stars.  takes a while sometimes
11:37 < aestetix> do they get easier after 102?
11:37 <@Evilpig> nope
11:37 < aestetix> 102 is a fucking bitch
11:37 <@Evilpig> there are a few easy ones.  a few are just wtf is wrong with you difficulty
11:38 < aestetix> the bombs make it really hard
11:38 <@Evilpig> waiting for this other screenshot to load
11:38 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7th1gr2xjwh3s0/2014-01-23%2016.38.19.png
11:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-01-23 16.38.19.png (at www.dropbox.com)
11:38 <@Corydon76-work> I quit and deleted the app when they first wanted me to pay to continue
11:38 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: you can play three challenge quests rather than paying
11:39 <@Evilpig> apparently 110 is a real bitch
11:39 < aestetix> I have not paid them a cent
11:39 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: to unlock shit you just have to get other people that are playing to unlock it.  I refuse to give them a dime
11:41 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: I find watching my bird to be far more entertaining.  He just bit his swing for "attacking" him.
11:41 <@klixa> i used to haev a bird
11:41 <@Evilpig> then you ate it?
11:41 <@Evilpig> I bet they are tasty.
11:41 <@Corydon76-work> Probably not quite as large as this one
11:42 <@klixa> ooh, that is clever making a hershey kiss the top of a russian castle
11:42  * klixa makes note of that and later builds russian palaces
11:42 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: Tiki eats pork.  So you're in danger.
11:51 <@Dagmar> Finally Infowarcon is streaming over GOogle
11:58 <@Dagmar> https://plus.google.com/events/c8vrb8fku7camh6nqf3pp0hp7lg?partnerid=gplp0
11:58 <@Dagmar> Might work
11:59 <@Dagmar> ...for a few moments at a time
12:02 < aestetix> Evilpig: good god how did you do that
12:03 < aestetix> clearly I am not hardcore enough
12:07 <@Evilpig> aestetix: i have alot of times where I have a few minutes here or there waiting for something to reboot, etc
12:08 <@Evilpig> I usually spend that time on the 3ds but i've finished most of the games I have right now with the exception of like two
12:08 <@Evilpig> and those two piss me off so I put them down
12:08 < aestetix> candy crush is on the 3ds?
12:08 <@Evilpig> nope
12:09 <@Evilpig> almost all the games on the 3ds you can close the lid on it and they will pause
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12:20 <@Evilpig> http://d.pr/i/Hp3l   <-- that
12:20 < GateKeeper> Title: Screenshot on 2014-01-23 at 12:19:48.png Droplr (at d.pr)
12:20 <@Evilpig> s an oh shit moment
12:22 <@klixa> Evilpig: what do you think about drplr suddenly charging?
12:22 <@Evilpig> I think it's kinda shitty.
12:22 <@klixa> me too..i emailed them and told them so
12:22 <@klixa> do you plan to keep it?
12:22 <@Evilpig> they need to make money to support shit but there are other ways to go about it
12:22 <@Evilpig> I don't use it.  that came from another channel
12:23 <@klixa> i told them they should at least offer an ad supoirted version
12:23 <@Evilpig> I generally use imgur or dropbox.  if I need to shorten something bit.ly or tinyulr
12:24 <@klixa> i used cloud.app but switched to droplr cause it was multipl platform instead of just osx
12:24 <@klixa> now..i dunno what i wanna use... i haev an ipad, android, mac and pc...i guess dorpbox is what i shoudl use now
12:24 <@Evilpig> it works on all of them
12:24 <@Evilpig> I use dropbox cause I got that free space from getting a GS3
12:26 <@klixa> dropbox's interface has gotten nicer over the years
12:34 <@klixa> Evilpig: you're in New Jersey, right?
12:34 <@Evilpig> yar
12:34 <@klixa> i was there in Sept and saw this http://d.pr/i/gipe
12:34 < GateKeeper> Title: photo.JPG Droplr (at d.pr)
12:34 <@Evilpig> lol
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12:46 < aestetix> god
12:46 < aestetix> on an IDESG phone call
12:46 < aestetix> I do not know how they make process so boring
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12:48 < aestetix> my god
12:48 < aestetix> the privacy committee wants to evaluate a list of vocabulary
12:48 < aestetix> so they created an evaluation subcommittee to evaluate it
12:48 < aestetix> and they have to figure out process for the evaluation subcommittee
12:48 < aestetix> this is insane
12:49 <@Evilpig> this is gubment
12:49 < aestetix> and of course
12:50 < aestetix> the list of vocab was created by the taxonomy committee
13:01 <@benthemeek> G mark hardy is at infowarcon with winn
13:01 <@benthemeek> I just recognized his voice
13:02 <@rattle> http://www.wimp.com/drivesmarch/
13:02 < GateKeeper> Title: Floppy drives perform the "Imperial March" from Star Wars. [VIDEO] (at www.wimp.com)
13:02 <@anarchival> aestetix: Is this an initiative by the Methodist Church, or....
13:07 < aestetix> no
13:07 < aestetix> it's the US government trying to solve online identiyy
13:07 < aestetix> identity
13:08 < aestetix> I'm off the call now
13:08 <@brimstone> why's it need to be solved?
13:08 < aestetix> but they spent ten minutes debating whether to rename the taxonomy committee to the glossary committee or the terms committee
13:08 < aestetix> brimstone: because obama said so
13:09 <@Dagmar> Mmight be time to just go through and purge the Republicans
13:10 <@Dagmar> Because how fucking hard is it really to say "name: An identifier which indicates a particular persona within the present context of discussion or presentation"\
13:11 <@Dagmar> Also, fucking F5.
13:19 <@Shadow404> www.nasa.gov/nasatv education channel, ill on it in the crowd
13:20 <@Shadow404> 1:30pm est
13:20 < aestetix> the sad thing is
13:20 < aestetix> all these people probably get paid lke $200k to do this
13:25 <@Shadow404> see the splash screen?
13:25 <@Shadow404> anyone?
13:29 <@Shadow404> live in 20 sec
13:34 <@Shadow404> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/edu_flash.html
13:34 < GateKeeper> Title: | NASA (at www.nasa.gov)
13:46 < RangerZ> brimstone: the issue of 'name'/'identity' are actually very big research areas
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13:51 < RangerZ> cause humans aren't assigned a MAC address
13:51 < RangerZ> and even when we are, people will want to spoof them
13:52 <@Shadow404> see me?
13:53 < RangerZ> no
13:53 < RangerZ> i looked
13:54 <@Shadow404> sigh
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14:03 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I'd like to see them figure out an identity schema that doesn't massively interfere with WitSec.
14:03 <@Corydon76-work> but is also resistant to fraud
14:05 <@Corydon76-work> And also permissive towards teenagers having identities that conflict with their parents' wishes
14:07 <@Dagmar> Yes, well, for shit like that we invented PGP
14:07 <@Dagmar> If they want to ensure no one can pretend to be their psudonym, they can start signing their posts with aPHP key
14:07 <@Dagmar> s/aPH/a PG/
14:09 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: whats my source ip ciming from?
14:09 <@Shadow404> coming?
14:13 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: the wish for identity is on the other side of the equation:  how do you verify the identity of someone who likely would prefer not to be identified?
14:15 <@Dagmar> Mainly you don't.
14:15 <@Dagmar> You can only verify that they're the same identity you were in contact with previously.
14:17 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-repudiation
14:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Non-repudiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
14:18 <@Corydon76-work> Which is also why I think that the mission they've come up with is impossible to solve without dropping some requirements
14:19 <@Dagmar> I think it's going to be impossible without them throwing some fucking bureaucrats away
14:19 <@Dagmar> Every time I look at that stuff I see some fucking lunker talking about how they believe a nym belongs to a person or somme other such nonsense
14:20 <@Dagmar> A nym may or may not belong to a persistent identity
14:20 <@Dagmar> ...and a persistent identity may or may not belong to a single person, or a group of people.
14:20 <@Dagmar> ...but the key and only concrete thing there is persistent identity.
14:21 <@Dagmar> ...and since they can't grasp the idea that a persistent identity might not meaningfully exist in any other context, because generally they're just shilling to be able to _take their arguments offline_ on people... they have nothing useful to fucking contribute to the conversation
14:22 <@Dagmar> Some of the early ones were really transparent about that
14:22 <@Dagmar> I've been avoiding joining IDESG because I'm not going to be able to be nice to a lot of those people
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14:22 <@Corydon76-work> Well, certain content providers would like to be able to associate provided content with a single persistent identity.
14:23 <@Dagmar> That's what usernames and passwords are for
14:23 <@Dagmar> What they're really wanting is a way to expand the scope of their control over that identity
14:23 <@Dagmar> They want to be able to go back and pressure other parties into either censoring or compromising the privacy of that person
14:24 <@Dagmar> ...which means they're not in the committee for the purposes of helping to establish an identity framework, they're there for the purposes of establishing a persecution framework, and fuck those people
14:24 <@Dagmar> Fuck them right in the ear.
14:25 <@Dagmar> THere's no reason a person shoudln't be able to establish a persistent identity of their own making.
14:26 <@Dagmar> It's only the banks that are insane enough to think that you shoudl make decisions based on something as simple as being able to provide a name and a twelve digit number.
14:26 <@Dagmar> "Hey look, they have a SSN and full name, and they're asking for money.  Lets give them some!"
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14:27 <@Corydon76-work> Well, that's a different problem
14:27 <@Dagmar> There is almost no repudiation available based on that simpleminded definition of identity
14:27 <@Corydon76-work> Sorry, Peaches called me on the phone with a completely silly problem
14:29 <@Corydon76-work> I understand both sides of what the content providers want, as well as what people want, and due to privacy concerns relating to marketing, the two are incompatible
14:30 <@Corydon76-work> Get rid of the content providers' ability to market based upon identity, and it's at least plausible.
14:30 <@Dagmar> dafuq
14:30 <@Dagmar> fuck no
14:30 <@Dagmar> What marketers want has nothing to fucking do with this
14:30 <@Dagmar> Fuck marketers.
14:30 <@Dagmar> Their "wants" do not belong in a discussion about the nature of identity.
14:31 <@Corydon76-work> What marketers want is precisely why people will not consent to that identity scheme
14:31 <@Dagmar> What consent?
14:31 <@Dagmar> The problem is half those fucks want to run their mouths about what they already believe to be true
14:31 <@Corydon76-work> The consent to use a single online identity when it comes to the consumption of certain restricted content
14:32 <@Dagmar> ...they have no interest whatsoever in crafting a clear definition of what it _is_.
14:32 <@Dagmar> Why a _single_ online identity?
14:32 <@Dagmar> Once again, that's artifically expanding the scope of what an identity is
14:32 <@Dagmar> ...and more importantly what it's good for.
14:32 <@Corydon76-work> Because if each person is afforded the ability to have infinite possible online identities, then copyright piracy cannot be stopped
14:33 <@Dagmar> Since fucking when
14:33 <@Dagmar> Network traffic in no way is tied to "identity"
14:33 <@Corydon76-work> Today, it is not.
14:33 <@Dagmar> Tommorrow it will also not be
14:33 <@Dagmar> Nor will it be the next day
14:33 <@Dagmar> It's not network traffics responsibility to keep track of people.
14:34 <@Corydon76-work> What they'd like to do (and as a possible use case for online identity) is to make it such that your identity is intrinsically connected with your network connections
14:34 <@Dagmar> Yes, and that's got far more to do with political and personal persecution than it does to simple "copyright" violations.
14:35 <@Dagmar> ...and it will never, ever work that way because identity is not network traffic's problem
14:35 <@Corydon76-work> In other countries, yes.  But if we avoid such a situation with the copyright cartel, it is unlikely to be a scheme created by repressive governments
14:35 <@Dagmar> Anyone who wants that can go ahead and do an RFC for IPv9 or whatever and have loads of fun designing routing tables that all require authentication
14:36 <@Corydon76-work> This has always been the case, in that US companies create things to help content distributors manage content, and it ends up getting used by repressive governments
14:36 <@Dagmar> ...but that IDESG is *just* supposed to come up with a working set of definitions
14:36 <@Dagmar> It has nothing to do with implementations.
14:37 <@Corydon76-work> Definitions have everything to do with implementations
14:37 <@Dagmar> ...and they're hampered by people who don't understand the problem arguing about very limited and incorrect viewpoints.
14:37 <@Corydon76-work> Lose the definition war, and you lose on being able to control what goes into implementations
14:37 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Bullshit.  Very few people dispute that what the Banksters did was unethical, yet the "implementation" was somehow untouchable
14:38 <@Dagmar> What they're doing is looking to muddy and distort the meaning of words, just like half the bullshit that goes on with respect to "network neutrality"
14:38 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: that's only because changing the implementation requires getting a do-nothing Congress to do something
14:38 <@Dagmar> Two proposed bills, one diametrically opposed in meaning to the other.
14:38 <@Dagmar> Just to be dicks.
14:39 <@Dagmar> ffs
14:39 <@Dagmar> Look man, stop proposing "rebuttals" that are actually just tangentally-related statements
14:40 <@Corydon76-work> What?  My point is that what the definitions committee is trying to do is near impossible in a way that satisfies all stakeholders
14:40 <@Corydon76-work> In fact, totally impossible
14:41 <@Dagmar> That's practically a tautology
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14:41 <@Corydon76-work> The stakeholders fundamentally disagree about what identity is.
14:41 < dink_> does anyone have a way to contact johnnyX other than via phone or email
14:41 <@Corydon76-work> Nope
14:41 <@Dagmar> The thing isn't there to provide a place for them to come to an "agreement"
14:41 <@Dagmar> It's to hammer out common definitions
14:41 < dink_> I've called him probably 10 times in the last 5 days and emailed once to no avail
14:42 <@Dagmar> ...which means some of those motherfuckers have to actually _learn_ that their present definitions are broken and will never workl
14:42 <@Corydon76-work> dink_: Starting to get the impression that maybe Evilpig is right?
14:42 < dink_> yeah... evilpig might be due an apology ...might
14:43 <@Dagmar> They have to both come up with and _use_ the _new_ lexicon.
14:43 <@Dagmar> If their existing lexicon were useful, there would be no need for the damn working group in the first place.
14:43 < dink_> we don;'t know if something has happened to johnnyx or if he is just being strange
14:43 <@Corydon76-work> dink_: Par for the course
14:43 < dink_> does anyone know where he works and or lives?
14:43 < dink_> I'm not afraid to swing by
14:43 <@Dagmar> Somewhere in fucking Franklin
14:44 < dink_> my office is in franklin
14:44 < dink_> so that's perfect
14:44 < dink_> I'm there right now
14:44 < dink_> it has a brentwood address, but I'm on bakers bridge
14:44 <@Dagmar> Well, just step outside and walk around until you find him then
14:44 <@Corydon76-work> Last I heard, with his mother, although that doesn't really help me
14:44 <@Dagmar> I sort of *vaguely* remember where his mom lives
14:45 <@Dagmar> ...but it's also possible he's doing his usual Luddite act where he just ignores all technology and eats sammiches while doing god knows what
14:45 <@Corydon76-work> If you really wanted to get in touch with him, I'm sure bugging his mother would get his attention quickly
14:45 < dink_> do you have a phone number. If so could you email it to me
14:45 <@Corydon76-work> I have the same contact methods that you have.
14:45 < dink_> i have his number, but that is it
14:45 <@Corydon76-work> I've never met his mother
14:45 < dink_> i could go bug some of the dragon con people
14:45 <@Dagmar> So start calling his ass up at 1pm, 6pm, 7pm, and 8pm, every day
14:45 < dink_> maybe they have something
14:46 <@Dagmar> Leave messages every time and bother the shit out of him
14:46 < dink_> twilio :-)
14:46 <@Dagmar> I'd use his phone number.
14:46 <@Corydon76-work> I would suggest following Dagmar's advice.  If anybody has figured out a way to get jonnyx to call, it would be someone around as long as Dagmar.
14:47 <@Dagmar> Even voicemails can get annoying after awhile
14:47 < dink_> yeah.. I've defaulted to using the mac say command
14:47 <@Dagmar> Short of showing up and throwing molotovs through his mom's window, ,it's your beest bet
14:47 < dink_> to relay those
14:47 < dink_> non violent methods would be preferred
14:47 <@Dagmar> You've got to make it clear you're going to continue to interrupt his tranquility until you get a response
14:48 < dink_> hmm
14:48 < dink_> maybe i can outsource this to twilio
14:48 < dink_> on a serious note, we might need to redo the election
14:48 <@brimstone> lol
14:49 <@brimstone> did you guys move to florida?
14:49 < dink_> no
14:49 < dink_> we just have a missing president
14:49 < dink_> maybe we should check south america
14:49 < dink_> ...wait that's governors
14:49 <@Corydon76-work> You mean the Appalachian Trail?
14:50 <@anarchival> Let's make this a game. Like Carmen Sandiego. or Waldo.
14:50 < dink_> South Carolina Gov a while back "went missing" in south america with his mistress
14:50 <@anarchival> I think it's JohnnyX in the library with the candlestick.
14:50 < dink_> alright i have to get back to work
14:50 <@Dagmar> Actually, Waldo I can find.  I've got him on Hangouts and G+.
14:51 <@Corydon76-work> dink_: yes, and he reported that he was hiking on the Appalachian Trail, when he was actually with his mistress
14:51 < dink_> ah
14:51 < dink_> thats right
14:51 <@Corydon76-work> His chosen euphemism
14:51 <@anarchival> At least the governor of South Carolina had a cover story.
14:51 <@anarchival> I'd settle for being lied to at this point.
14:51 < aestetix> vagina
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14:52 <@Corydon76-work> The vagina is a lie.
14:53 <@Corydon76-work> This sentence is false.
14:53 <@benthemeek> Whats this? Our fearless leader in AWOL?
14:54 <@Corydon76-work> AWOC.  Absent With Out Communication
14:54 <@benthemeek> I know he said he was going to be in atlanta sometime this month for a pre dragon con planning meetings
14:55 <@brimstone> this month is running out
14:55 <@benthemeek> Yeah I think it was the second week or the month or something
14:55 <@benthemeek> s/or/of
14:56 <@benthemeek> Eh... Now now evilpig there is no reason to be so smug
14:58 <@benthemeek> anarchival: what was that coding war website you sent me again? I cant remember the URL
14:59 <@anarchival> sophrinix is on the DragonCon Science track contact form, bugging them to get him in contact with JohnnyX
14:59 <@anarchival> benthemeek: codecombat.com
15:00 <@benthemeek> anarchival: TY, you are a scholar and a gentlewoman
15:04 <@Dolemite> If any members of Nashville 2600 need the board to call an emergency meeting, let me know.
15:04 <@Dolemite> Because if I recall correctly, that would be the mechanism to nullify any elected positions.
15:06 <@benthemeek> Well before we did such a thing I would think we would want to wait until the next se2600 meeting to see if he shows between now and then right?
15:06 <@Dolemite> But definitely not a step to be taken lightly
15:06 <@Dolemite> Absolutely
15:06 <@Dolemite> Step 1 would be to see if he shows to the meeting, and if so, read him the riot act on his responsibility to respond to the members
15:07 <@Dolemite> That's part of being the president of the organization - you have to be somewhat available
15:07 <@Dolemite> We've already dealt with one president that refused to answer the phone or have functional voicemail
15:10 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: Trevor?
15:10 <@brimstone> do your by-laws allow you to out him?
15:11 <@Dolemite> Yeah, the first thing he's always done whenever he got a new phone line was to fill up the voicemail so nobody could leave him messages, and he refuses to answer phone calls from numbers that he doesn't recognize.
15:11 <@Dolemite> brimstone: Yes
15:11 < SuMo_D_> north up http://www.thefiberopticstore.com/purchase/SCSG/SGS-Fiber.htm
15:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Side Glow Solid Fiber Optic Filament (at www.thefiberopticstore.com)
15:11 <@brimstone> well that's good
15:11 < SuMo_D_> check that out
15:11 <@brimstone> i like that you can still fill up voicemail in this day and age
15:12 <@benthemeek> http://bit.ly/SE2600
15:12 < GateKeeper> Title: SE2600 (at bit.ly)
15:13 <@benthemeek> (to answer your question brimstone
15:14 <@benthemeek> The Board may remove any officer of the organization, at any time
15:14 <@Dolemite> By unanimous vote of the board
15:15 <@benthemeek> It is section 7 paragraph 8
15:17 <@benthemeek> So they blacked out the speaker this hour from infowarcon
15:18 <@benthemeek> must be topsecret hush hush stuff :) Actually I think the talk was about China or something
15:31 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: congrats on getting to the next stage of the interview process
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15:36 <@Evilpig> I just saw the log from earlier.  all I gotta say is lol
15:36 <@benthemeek> To all the other officers/members here I too will be AWOC all next week on a business trip. So don’t have a coup and vote me out or I will be sad :(
15:37 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: I don't think anyone has ever accused you of not responding for weeks on end to countless calls, texts, and emails
15:37 <@Evilpig> I mean I understand you not responding to the sexting but that's just rude too
15:37 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: I suspect even on a business trip, you're likely to respond to texts with "I'm sorry, I can't get to that until I return"
15:37 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: You know what works _really_ well?
15:37 <@Bahhumbug> /clear
15:38 <@benthemeek> Well while i was thinking about it I just thought I would give fair warning. There was talk of an extra officer meeting sometime this month and I wont be able to meet probably before the next 2600
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15:38 <@Evilpig> i'll be within practical striking distance on friday
15:39 <@Evilpig> don't make me drive down, but know i'm close....
15:39 <@Dagmar> Goddamn sumo
15:39 < dink_> johnnyX lives. I'll have more to report later
15:39 <@benthemeek> Oh yeah, KY?
15:39 <@Evilpig> dink_: flat tire?
15:39 < dink_> contacting dragon con apparently worked
15:39 <@Evilpig> dink_: cell phone dead?
15:39 < nachoguy> SuMo_D_: I concur with Dagmar
15:39 <@Dagmar> How the fuck is this fiber suppopsed to stand a chance of working
15:39 <@Evilpig> dorito explosion?
15:39 < dink_> claiming he lost the phone and has been very sick (emergency room level sick)
15:39 <@Dagmar> This looks like a fucking RJ45-NEMA adapter kind of thing to me
15:39 <@Evilpig> the dorito explosion excuse
15:40 <@Evilpig> dink_: in all honesty you will end up running shit.  but I will help you since i have all the contacts still, etc
15:40 <@Evilpig> I might even have an updated speaker list of the previous speakers to start harassing
15:40 < aestetix> vagina
15:40 <@Dagmar> okoay, we're going to have to get him very drunk at PN so I can quietly permanently install his phone under the skin of his forearm then so he can't lose it
15:41 < dink_> aestetix: are you running a number station
15:41 < dink_> only using letters instead
15:41 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: How close is striking distance? KY?
15:41 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: louisville
15:41 <@Evilpig> 3 hours?
15:41 < SuMo_D_> well Dagmar I just ordered some I"ll let you know
15:41 <@Evilpig> i'll be in lorreto on saturday
15:42 <@Dagmar> I suspect that "for the Hobbyist" means "This shit will not carry network traffic"
15:42 <@Dagmar> This has *got* to be for decoration only
15:42 < SuMo_D_> nope, probably not... but it'll work for the models we're building
15:42 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, holy shit
15:42 < SuMo_D_> right?
15:42 < dink_> evilpig: I'm starting to get that sense. I'll be back on later tonight. I have a interactive learning platform and some screencasts due by midnight tomorrow
15:42 < dink_> later
15:42 < dink_> sophrinix (at ) gmail if anyone needs me
15:42 <@Dagmar> Oh I'm sure it'll work fine if it's _only_ supposed to light up
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15:43 < SuMo_D_> yep, just for lights... MOAR LIGHTS
15:43 <@Evilpig> you son of a bitch!
15:43 <@Dagmar> ...but you were asking who's got experience with fiber last night, and then I see that
15:43 < SuMo_D_> all of the lights
15:43 <@Evilpig> it's time we teach him how to properly idle on irc
15:43 < nachoguy> So maybe I'm out of the loop, but jx is the president, and dink is vp?
15:43 <@Dagmar> Too right
15:43 <@Evilpig> nachoguy: yes
15:43 < SuMo_D_> yeah I guess I wasn't clear fiber w/lights not data
15:43 < SuMo_D_> easy to be misunderstood
15:44 < nachoguy> the video is nice, esp around 10:35
15:44 <@Dagmar> lol
15:44 <@Dagmar> "misunderstood" .: "freak people the fuck out"
15:45 <@Dagmar> I thought it was networking gear
15:50 <@Dagmar> It's a real shame Peter is no longer the DC manager tho
15:50 <@Dagmar> In a fucking HEARTBEAT I would buy some of this shit, take it into the Hill Center, and string it between a couple of machines, and then wait.
15:53 <@Evilpig> i'm already trying to figure out some neat use for it
15:53 < SuMo_D_> :)
15:54 < SuMo_D_> whatever you guys do with it post pictures
15:54  * Evilpig takes his pants off
15:54 <@Evilpig> give me a minute and i'll post pics
15:54  * benthemeek backs away slowly
15:55 < SuMo_D_> I'm getting all sorts of crazy ideas... I built this proto for the guy I'm consulting for and he liked it, but now he wants to go a different direction, but now I've got a ton of new ideas of paintings I want to do with the original
15:55 < SuMo_D_> k
15:55 < SuMo_D_> <<< from Vegas... genitalia = not scary
15:57 < nachoguy> No that's an out of topic quote that needs to be saved
15:57 < nachoguy> /topic SuMo_D_: <<< from Vegas... genitalia = not scary
15:57 < SuMo_D_> lol
15:58 < SuMo_D_> just sayin'
15:58 <@Bahhumbug> @quote add <SuMo_D_> <<< from Vegas... genitalia = not scary
15:58 < GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command  Quote #46 added.
16:03 < SuMo_D_> apparently the threat of genitalia scared everyone else out of the room
16:04 <@benthemeek> An don the topic of fiber optics... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CqT4DuAVxs
16:04 < GateKeeper> Title: How Its Made, Fiber Optics. - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:04 < SuMo_D_> OOoooOOo
16:04 < SuMo_D_> How its Made = Maker porn...
16:05 <@Evilpig> SuMo_D_: you just have a thing for mike rowe
16:05 < SuMo_D_> who?
16:06 <@Evilpig> the announcer / voice over guy for how it's made
16:06 <@Evilpig> also the host of dirty jobs
16:06 < SuMo_D_> hmm
16:07 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: ping
16:08 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: It doesnt sound like him to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Its_Made
16:08 < GateKeeper> Title: How It's Made - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
16:09 <@oddball> SuMo_D_: How It's Made tends to put me to sleep.  Even if it's talking about processes I'm interested in.
16:09 < SuMo_D_> yeah... me too... but its so coooool
16:09 < SuMo_D_> the new ones they're doing on food are more lively
16:09 < SuMo_D_> but now I know how Tofurkey is made... it is a little less exciting to eat
16:10 <@oddball> Wait... somebody made a tofu dish *less* interesting?  Disbelieve!
16:10 <@Evilpig> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0835010/faq   "Brooks T. Moore is the Narrator that sounds like Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs. Don't know how many episodes he's done... "
16:10 < GateKeeper> Title: How Its Made (2001) - FAQ (at www.imdb.com)
16:38 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: from as often as I see your bluray player now, is it a correct assumption my plex server has stopped acting retarded?
16:46 <@Dagmar> oddball: You know what'll make it *more* exciting?  Let it sit in the sun for a little while.
16:46 <@Dagmar> It takes only an hour or two to turn an otherwise boring human into a Human Sized Gas Rocket
16:46 <@Dagmar> SO EXCITE
16:46 <@Dagmar> MUCH WIND
16:46 < nachoguy> WOW
16:46 <@brimstone>     wow
16:47 <@Dickie>          such rocket
16:48 <@rattle>              douche                 bag
16:50 <@oddball> wait... FF XIV has blatant fan service?
16:50 <@Dagmar> You can even tell when it's "ready" by putting a box of Beano on the table next to it.
16:50 <@eryc> i want to join your plex networks
16:50 <@Dagmar> Oddball: Watch carefully how the camera pan angles change for some characters
16:51 <@oddball> Oh... the current seasonal mission required drugs to write.
16:52 <@oddball> And I think my character just made it with a girl band.
16:52 <@Dagmar> At least they have a plot now
16:53 <@oddball> Yeah... there's that.
16:54 <@anarchival> I just got offered a job doing commercial property law again in Goodlettsville!
16:55  * anarchival isn't going to take the job, even if they offer to pay her in actual money.
16:55 <@Evilpig> that's a shame.  your pasties will be so disappointed
16:56 < aestetix> penis
16:57 <@Dickie> ding-a-ling
16:58 <@Evilpig> headed home.  gotta pack for this flight in the morning
17:01 <@Dagmar> NEW FUN TRICK
17:01 <@Dagmar> Note: Only good for an office with a break room.
17:01 <@Dagmar> Go buy two boxes of doughnuts or cupcakes.  Preferably cupcakes becuase they're more readily generic.
17:02 <@Dagmar> Deposit in break room, opened, with napkins nearby
17:02 <@Dagmar> Wait until boxes empty.
17:02 <@Dagmar> ...or half empty.
17:02 <@Dagmar> Start rumor about some twisted person in the next building delivering poisoned cupcakes
17:02 <@Dagmar> Obviously, don't let anyone see you bringing in the cupcakes.
17:03 <@klixa> lol
17:07 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: ping
17:09 <@eryc> there was an episode of south beach tow where someone left poisoned cupcakes or something in the lobby of the towing company
17:09 <@eryc> causing all the employees who ate them to become violently ill
17:14 < SuMo_D_> that show is so... I don't even know the word for it
17:14 < SuMo_D_> staged train wreck?
17:15 <@anarchival> I would have gone with "trashy," but sure.
17:15 <@klixa> i second the label of trashy
17:15 <@anarchival> I miss Handbrake.
17:16 <@anarchival> Oh hey wait, there's a version for Ubuntu! Sweet!
17:16 <@klixa> ex mac user?
17:16 <@Dagmar> Ther'es like _always_ been one
17:18 <@anarchival> My OS history is as long and muddled as my religious history.
17:18 <@anarchival> But yes, I've been on a Mac very recently, just switched back to Linux in the last year.
17:19 <@anarchival> Obviously haven't been doing much video editing or ripping until now.
17:19 <@klixa> i haev found its quicker to dl than ot rip
17:20 <@anarchival> We're downloading a video from YouTube, converting it, then dropping it in a reveal.js
17:20 <@anarchival> It's been a little bit of a pain in the ass, but now I have to go give the damned presentation.
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17:33 < aestetix> you know
17:33 < aestetix> I really wonder if this Justin Bieber shit would be all over the news if Snowden were not doing a Q&A
17:34 <@rattle> Contrails.  It's all about keeping people from asking questions about the contrails.
17:34 < aestetix> contrails?
17:35 <@rattle> Classic conspiracy theory..
17:35 <@rattle> The Snowden stuff is getting MSM coverage.  If there's anything that's been buried, it's Kiev.
17:36 <@rattle> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
17:36 < GateKeeper> Title: Chemtrail conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
17:37 < aestetix> BTW, my thought on Snowden......
17:37 < aestetix> Show us the code.
17:37 < aestetix> Any idiot can create a powerpoint detailling what they want to do.
17:37 <@klixa> aestetix: yeah, it would be...ratings
17:38 <@Dagmar> There was a posting earlier from an sql dev that went bascially "Sorry, can't debug right now.  In the middle of a revolution here in the Ukraine, thanks."
17:38 <@Dagmar> Slowly it climbs reddit along with the rest
17:40 <@rattle> If the beiber winds up getting deported, I will reevaluate my take on the existence of justice in the world..
17:40 <@Dagmar> I would really like to see him get deported.
17:40 <@rattle> It would make me very happy.
17:40 <@Dagmar> Then maybe we could start deporting some fucking criminals back to mexico
17:40 <@Dagmar> Of course, what would make me even more amused is if we'd deport Bieber to _Mexico_ in the first place
17:40 <@eryc> you're not a Belieber?
17:41 <@Dagmar> I beliebe I'd enjoy beating him unceremoniously
17:41 <@rattle> I beliebe it would be a good thing for American if he's deported.
17:41 <@eryc> haha
17:41 <@klixa> <3 Bieber!!!  j.k
17:41 <@Dagmar> If you gave me two tonfa and one bieber I'd do a damn fine impression of a helicopter
17:42 <@rattle> See, normally, I like stars that are basically going off the deep end.  Charlie Sheen, great.  Lindsey Lohan, no problem.  I find their self destruction entertaining.  But Beiber is sooooo fucking dumb, and clearly a completely spoiled and managed tool.
17:43 <@Dagmar> Beating him would make me SO HAPPY
17:43 <@Dagmar> To see him cry... oh my gawd
17:43 <@klixa> why does everyone hate him so much?
17:43 <@Dagmar> BECAUSE HE'S A SPINELESS LITTLE SHIT
17:43 <@rattle> Hell, while I don't care for Miley Cyrus one bit..  She is clearly very smart, and in full control of her own lameness and business.  In a way, I really respect her, even though I think she sucks.
17:43 <@rattle> But Beiber..  Nothing good going on there.
17:44 <@Dagmar> Have you atually listened to or read the shit he sings?
17:44 <@klixa> i haev heard like one bieber song
17:44 <@Dagmar> We have a word for guys who lie like that in bars to pick up chicks.  The word is "bitches"
17:44 <@rattle> Yeah.  I pulled up something on youtube once just to see what the deal with.  Trying to be informed and whatnot..  Crap.  Total crap.
17:44 <@Dagmar> He goes on and on about how he wants to be some girls perfect guy and has no self esteen of his own whatsoever
17:45 <@Dagmar> kill.  It.  with.  FIRE.
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17:46 <@klixa> lol
17:46 <@rattle> Wouldn't it be funny if the people managing his money are screwing him over..  And by the time he's 27 he's a broke drug addicted waste.
17:46 <@Dagmar> So the question now is will CNN continue to ignore Kiev until after it makes Reddit's front page
17:46 <@rattle> Because I don't think that kid is smart enough to manage his own business.
17:46 <@rattle> I get no read like that off him.
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17:47 <@klixa> anyways...
17:47 <@eryc> my money is on russia taking over the ukraine
17:47 <@Dagmar> If he were that smart he wouldn't be basically decrying his own genitals in his lyrics
17:47 < aestetix> rattle: so Justin Bieber is basically a new Culkin
17:47 <@klixa> hes rich and can fuck any girl he wants...sounds pretty smart to me
17:47 <@Dagmar> Don't think so
17:48 <@Dagmar> I know some chicks who are just as heated about the idea of beating him senseless.
17:48 <@rattle> aestetix: Not sure.  Culkin might be dumb, but I get the vibe he's actually kinda cool, abet really really weird.
17:48 <@Dagmar> If there was any doubt, the songs about pizza should have cleared it right up.
17:49 <@klixa> Dagmar: yeah...until he bats his pretty eyes at them irl
17:49 <@klixa> lol
17:49 <@klixa> rattle: culkin is a drug addict
17:49 <@rattle> http://pitchfork.com/news/53269-listen-macaulay-culkin-has-a-pizza-themed-velvet-underground-cover-band-the-pizza-underground/
17:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Listen: Macaulay Culkin Has a Pizza-Themed Velvet Underground Cover Band, The Pizza Underground | News | Pitchfork (at pitchfork.com)
17:49 <@rattle> Oh, I'm sure he is!
17:49 <@rattle> You ever seen Party Monster?
17:49 <@eryc> great movie
17:49 <@rattle> Beiber is clearly both dumb and a spoiled little shit.
17:49 <@klixa> no
17:50 <@Evilpig> it's that time that every geek hates before making a flight
17:50 <@rattle> It is a good movie.  It's a basically true story about the heyday of the Limelight in NYC.
17:50 <@Dagmar> ...and how muhc of a shit Keoki is
17:50 <@Evilpig> time to clean out the laptop bag of anything that might get me hung up in security
17:50  * klixa doesnt fly...is afraid
17:51 <@klixa> my laptop bag is a combo laptop/diaper bag
17:51 <@Corydon76-work> Bieber's no different than any other child celebrity
17:51 <@Corydon76-work> He's not going to take this situation seriously until a judge throws the book at him
17:52 <@rattle> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_Monster_(2003_film)
17:52 <@klixa> diapers, btw, make excellent shock absorbers for tablets
17:52 <@rattle> Highly recommended movie, actually.
17:52 <@Dagmar> rattle: Human Traffic is better.
17:53 <@Corydon76-work> And in terms of Culkin, I have a great deal of respect for him.  After his parents were found to be mismanaging his income, he sued them for emancipation.
17:53 <@Corydon76-work> These days, he's doing mostly art films of which he sees socially redeeming value
17:53 <@rattle> I haven't see that one.  Going to have to keep an eye out for it.
17:54 <@klixa> this raspberry ginger beer is zomglicious
17:55 <@Corydon76-work> and for every spoiled brat making it big, there's another fat slob like this victimizing kids that are trying to make it big: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Pearlman
17:55 < GateKeeper> Title: Lou Pearlman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
17:59 <@NotLarry> ok, about to be interviewed over skype
17:59 <@NotLarry> clothes, check.  rush poster taken down off wall behind me, check.
17:59 <@Dagmar> Make sure you disable the autoplaying porn windows
18:00 <@Dagmar> Also, pants.
18:00 <@Dagmar> Don't think you're safe just because the webcam points at your face.
18:00 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, especially if they say anything that causes you to stand up
18:01 <@Corydon76-work> Or various reflections in the room...
18:01 <@NotLarry> Well, if the webcam goes live I have it setup so the corner of the room is behind my head, sort of the Max headrom
18:04 <@rattle> Well, if you had any doubts at this point..  BlackBerry is dead.  DoD has said no new orders.
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18:08 <@Dagmar> "You've really filed a lot of tickets that got closed today, Paul."
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18:09 <@Dagmar> "Yes, well that's what happens when I'm given vague, incomplete, and conflicting instructions.  After a certain point I just start making shit up to put in blanks and if there's a problem I know *then* someone will come back and tell me the right way to fill it out."
18:09 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: at ksc will ask gf when back in ga
18:10 <@Shadow404> vertical sssembly building right now
18:10 <@Dagmar> ...and now since i've annoyed enough people with improperly filled out forms, I will go home.
18:10 <@Dagmar> heh
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18:23 <@benthemeek> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/docker-raises-15m-to-advance-open-source-container-virtualization.html
18:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Docker Raises $15M to Advance Open-Source Container Virtualization (at www.eweek.com)
18:32 < nachoguy> neat
18:43 < aestetix> what's new pussycat
18:44  * brimstone trots off to give a talk at Docker Atlanta
18:44 <@brimstone> speaking of...
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19:10 <@Dagmar> Oh look.
19:11 <@Dagmar> Another letter from Comcast telling me that they've noticed that I am not paying a modem rental fee.
19:11 <@Dagmar> ...for the fucking modem I own.
19:11 <@Dagmar> That's three of these letters in a year.
19:16 <@NotLarry> Well, I think that interview went well.
19:16 <@Dagmar> No threatening to call the police?
19:17 <@Evilpig> you don't want to goto vegas anyway
19:17 <@Evilpig> I guarantee they don't have a fridge with mexican coke in it
19:17 <@Dagmar> Sure he does.  He'd be able to ride the bike year 'round here.
19:18 <@Dagmar> er there.
19:19 <@NotLarry> I can ride the bike year round in Jersey too.
19:20 <@Dagmar> Yes, but you'd only have snowbanks to break your fall if you have an accident
19:20 <@Dagmar> In Vegas you'd have showgirls to break your fall.
19:20 <@Dagmar> MAKE YOUR CHOICE.
19:21 <@Evilpig> snow! snow! snow!
19:22 <@NotLarry> Having actually been thrown out of a car into a snowbank...
19:24 <@Dagmar> Exactly.  Strippers FTW
19:24 <@Evilpig> snow! snow! snow!
19:24 <@Dagmar> Also those showgirl plumes are _super_ soft
19:26 <@NotLarry> Well, I guess it is time to take some drugs and try to get another 3 hours sleep
19:26 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: I'm gonna need you to come over and jump the bike off around 12:30 tomorrow afternoon.
19:27 <@NotLarry> I need a charging cercuit so I can put the solar charger on the bike
19:28 <@Dagmar> Why do you not have a battery tender?
19:29 <@NotLarry> Because it died, I have not gotten the $ to buy another, and there is no place at work to plug it in.
19:29 <@NotLarry> And with temps in the teens, the bike really needs it while I'm at work.
19:30 <@Dagmar> There's like outlets all over the NOC
19:30 <@NotLarry> I probably do have the $, just have not gotten one yet.
19:30 <@NotLarry> Yeah, but they don't let me bring the bike into the noc
19:30 <@Dagmar> Are you maybe going to need one the rest of the weekend?
19:30 <@Dagmar> Typically it involves _disconnecting_ the battery from everything, so you'd probably really need to bring the battery in
19:30 <@NotLarry> I might crash at Eds and leave the bike on a full on charger for 10 hours.
19:30 <@Dagmar> As long as it keeps charged you should actually be fine
19:31 <@Evilpig> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201464658808755&l=3ee452da78
19:31 <@Dagmar> Let the thing discharge and _freeze_ and it will start taking damage
19:31 < GateKeeper> Title: Photo (at www.facebook.com)
19:31 <@NotLarry> Yeah.  The battery would be safe for a couple of hours on the solar panel.  It just does not need to be overcharged.
19:31 <@Evilpig> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1523520_10201464658808755_831695207_o.jpg  <-- straight link to image
19:31 <@NotLarry> I may try that tomorrow.
19:31 <@Dagmar> You can probably find close enough bits on Adafruit or something
19:32 <@Evilpig> so i'm watching "chuck" s??e?? and this chick is trying to reboot a security system of some type
19:32 <@Dagmar> I've seen an appropriate thing there before
19:32 <@Evilpig> just look at all that gibberish
19:33 <@NotLarry> Yeah, I had instructions on building one, but I lost the battery in the move.  Was gonna hook the pi up with the solar panel and a cell adaptor so I could just be set down in a field and provide a remote ssh client (pun intended)
19:38 <@Dagmar> IIRC Ada sells them as kits
19:38 <@Dagmar> I mean the thing I was looking at was for converting 5-18v to 5v and limited current, but they had them of the 12v type
19:39 <@NotLarry> So, Tumblr didn't make me sign a NDA.
19:41 <@NotLarry> I'll have to check.  I may put allegator clips on the solar panel tonight and just try it tomorrow.  In direct sunlight it puts out about 19vdc
19:41 <@dasunt> bike riding in the snow:  http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp
19:41 < GateKeeper> Title: Studded Bicycle Tires (at www.peterwhitecycles.com)
19:43 <@NotLarry> I've seen those. I think this is what I used to ride in the snow - http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/blog/wp-content/bikes/hugh-schwinn-sprint/hugh-schwinn-sprint02.jpg
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19:59 <@Evilpig> this might be the greatest gif ever...  https://24.media.tumblr.com/d6a21a7d8ad536f60901a024c8545670/tumblr_moxf5xhSYF1s8p90mo1_500.gif
20:00 <@klixa> o. O
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20:04 <@Shadow404> heading out to view launch
20:04 <@Shadow404> will be on static test rd for google mappers
20:04 <@Shadow404> also dont forget
20:04 <@Shadow404> will stsrt my own stream 10 min prior to launch
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20:15 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-kA46R9RMU
20:15 < GateKeeper> Title: Sci-Fi Convention CANCELLED - Guests Called "Freaks" By Venue? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:18 <@Dagmar> First time con
20:18 <@Evilpig> lol
20:18 <@Dagmar> Well, it is.
20:21 <@eryc> foolish nerds
20:21 <@Evilpig> idiots
20:22 <@SuMo_D> Monster con here almost had that happen to them, but they got the heads up from somebody at the hotel and moved it
20:22 <@SuMo_D> was crappy of the hilton
20:22 <@Evilpig> The hotel didn't cancel on them though
20:22 <@Evilpig> they just said the hotel staff called them costumed freaks and the organizers pulled the plug
20:23 <@Evilpig> this is someone pulling the plug to generate outrage and more interest
20:23 <@SuMo_D> ah
20:23 <@Evilpig> http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140114/river-north/chi-fi-cancels-convention-claims-westin-hotel-staff-called-them-freaks
20:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Chi-Fi Cancels Convention, Claims Westin Manager Called Attendees 'Freaks' - River North - DNAinfo.com Chicago (at www.dnainfo.com)
20:24 <@Evilpig> Pretty much if any hotel staff refers to any PN attendee as a freak i'll nod at them and say "yup"
20:24 <@SuMo_D> yup
20:25 <@Evilpig> and probably have a shit eating grin on my face at the same time
20:26 <@Evilpig> what's really making me go wtf is the fact that the conference organizers are pointing at this as their reason.  http://chi-fi.org/programming/chi-fi-harassment-policy/
20:26 <@Evilpig> How the fuck does that apply to the staff of the hotel that isn't attending the event but having to work during it?
20:28 <@Dagmar> Most of the PN _attendees_ would say "Yup".
20:29 <@Evilpig> this is true
20:29 <@Evilpig> think i'm gonna make some popcorn and crash.  it's gonna be 4am before I realize it
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20:32 < RangerZ1> and not an "anti-harassment" policy
20:32 < RangerZ1> lol
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20:38 < RangerZ1> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/ukraine-unrest-text-messages-protesters-mass-riot
20:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Text messages warn Ukraine protesters they are 'participants in mass riot' | World news | theguardian.com (at www.theguardian.com)
20:39 < RangerZ1> aestetix: ^
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20:46 < RangerZ1> omg
20:46 < RangerZ1> whats wrong
20:46 < RangerZ1> who died
20:46 < RangerZ1> jonny_x: is here
20:46 <@SuMo_D> lol
20:46 <@SuMo_D> hi jonny_x
20:46 < RangerZ1> everyone be careful, its probably a fake
20:47 < RangerZ1> someone who stole his laptop
20:47 <@SuMo_D> doesn't he have an h in his name?
20:47 <@jonny_x> I thought flu shots were supposed to *keep* you from getting sick, not put you in the hospital.
20:47 < RangerZ1> jonny_x: common misconception
20:47 <@SuMo_D> yeah... lies... I don't trust them
20:47 < RangerZ1> i just can't take them
20:47 <@jonny_x> Nope, no "h". common misconception.
20:48 < RangerZ1> my mom grew to be allergic to eggs, so she can't take flu shots, or most vaccines
20:48 < RangerZ1> so i can 'grow' that allergy too
20:49 < RangerZ1> so i try to not push my luck on less needed vaccines, MMR, etc > flu shot, lol
20:49 <@jonny_x> I've taken flu shots a few times in the past & each time I got sick for a few days, so I stopped taking them years ago. Got badgered into it this year due to the new H1N1 variant racking up a death toll.
20:50 <@jonny_x> Plus the shot was free.
20:50 <@klixa> fuck shots
20:50 < RangerZ1> vandy holds the world record for most shots given out in a day
20:50 <@Shadow404> www.snsweather.com:81/ustream.html
20:50 <@Shadow404> launch stream
20:50 <@jonny_x> I wind up in Wiliamson Co ER over the weekend with a 104 degree fever. Whee!
20:50 < RangerZ1> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/shadow404
20:50 < GateKeeper> Title: shadow404 on USTREAM: . (at www.ustream.tv)
20:50 <@Shadow404> 5 min
20:50 < RangerZ1> why not just post that?
20:50 <@SuMo_D> oh man... sorry to hear that
20:51 <@SuMo_D> ERs are never fun :/
20:51 < RangerZ1> jonny_x: sorry to hear that, but glad you were able to get a lot of work done while laying down in the bed
20:51 <@SuMo_D> also klixa I'm with you.. fuck shots
20:51 < RangerZ1> best essay I ever wrote was when I had walking pneumonia and sinues infection, lol
20:51 <@jonny_x> No, I was sleeping ~20hrs a day.
20:51 <@klixa> Vany injected pregnant women with plutonium in like the 50's speaking of vandy
20:52 <@klixa> or 30's..or 40's...sometime last century
20:52 < RangerZ1> so?
20:52 < RangerZ1> they _thought_ it was good, right?
20:52 <@klixa> RangerZ1: seriously?
20:52 <@klixa> lol, ...um no
20:52 <@klixa> no one has EVER thought plutonium was good
20:52 < RangerZ1> i mean, 'why' did they do it
20:53 <@Shadow404> 22 min
20:53 <@Shadow404> er 2
20:53 <@klixa> RangerZ1: experimentation
20:54 < RangerZ1> just to 'see what happens' ?
20:54 < RangerZ1> or _some_ kind of beneficial theory?
20:54 <@SuMo_D> when I was on my 2nd round of chemo I had a blood clot, so I had blood thinner shots every day for the next year... cried ever freakin' time... they were horrible.. and burned... I still have a bruise from one almost 4 years later...
20:54 < RangerZ1> <<trying to hope they weren't just stupid
20:54 <@klixa> RangerZ1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plutonium_Files
20:54 < GateKeeper> Title: The Plutonium Files - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
20:54 < RangerZ1> yeah I'm looking at another source on the topic
20:55 <@klixa> RangerZ1: the world used to be different...ethics were different
20:55 < RangerZ1> ohh its fine
20:55 < RangerZ1> they were "poor"
20:55 < RangerZ1> don't worry
20:55 < RangerZ1> we're moving back to that society
20:56 <@klixa> im not sure we ever moved away form it
20:56 <@SuMo_D> on my post transplant exit interview they were like ok, go get a flu shot and a-z shots... was like... nope... I had barely started to eat on my own again, and barely standing... was like... nope... fuck dat shit. will just stay away from the world for awhile and figure out which ones are really "necessary"
20:56 <@SuMo_D> flu shots... not necessary
20:57 < RangerZ1> they are good for the elderly and people who work in hospitals, etc
20:57 <@SuMo_D> so they say...
20:57 <@SuMo_D> I do wish I'd gotten the shingles shot... shingles sucked and just made a lot of nerve stuff worse... but... whatchya gonna do now
20:57 < RangerZ1> yeah
20:59 < RangerZ1> i'm actually really hopeful that _that_ will be the area of medical reserach that breaks through the soonest
20:59 < RangerZ1> is vaccines for lots of stuff that we don't have
20:59 < RangerZ1> vandy was holding a study for an HIV vaccine
20:59 < RangerZ1> for gays in particular
21:00 < RangerZ1> which amused us all in the lab (since the one guy is openly gay and was part of the survey) lol
21:00 <@SuMo_D> they're close to that from what I hear... my type of cancer also effects white blood cells to the research is pretty related and they've made a lot of stides lately
21:01 <@klixa> me ex bf was the result of a vandy experiment; his mom was artifically inseminated by a vandy grad student
21:01 <@klixa> my ex from college*
21:01 < RangerZ1> vandy apparently is where my mom brought me when i was like 4mo old or something, to get me tested for allergies
21:01 < RangerZ1> b/c no other hospital, etc... would/could test infants that young
21:02 <@klixa> i always told him he was adopted cause he has a PhD in physics and both of his parents didnt even go to high school
21:02 <@klixa> and then he learned the news...
21:02 < RangerZ1> "allergic" to : milk, goat's milk, chocolate... and other stuff
21:02 <@klixa> im allergic to shellfish RangerZ1
21:02 < RangerZ1> klixa: thats actually not surprising, but i'm sure it hit hard
21:03 <@klixa> RangerZ1: you know...i was so damn insensitive, i was just all "I KNEW IT!"
21:03 < RangerZ1> i'm not allergic to any of those anymore
21:03 <@klixa> years later, it finally hit me that i should have been nicer...but a lot finally made snese to me
21:03 < RangerZ1> but if you want me to detect mold... just bring me to your house
21:04 < RangerZ1> if my nose starts to run , you have mold
21:04 < RangerZ1> lol
21:04 <@klixa> i think the house i bought in mendocino had mold... but it made me have anxiety
21:04 < RangerZ1> (i found mold in one of my undergrad's rooms, that way)
21:04 <@klixa> i had extreme anxiety...so i sold the hosue
21:04 <@klixa> and left
21:04 <@klixa> and a few months later, i was back to normal
21:05 < RangerZ1> what happened to make you go into remission?
21:05 < RangerZ1> -_-
21:05 < RangerZ1> lol
21:05 <@klixa> im confused so i am just gonna nod and laugh :)
21:06 <@klixa> anyways...
21:06  * klixa wants coffee
21:06 < RangerZ1> was teasing about the kid
21:06 <@klixa> what kid?
21:06 < RangerZ1> didn't you just give birth (or are pregnant now)
21:06 <@klixa> yeah...had a baby on halloween
21:07 < RangerZ1> that kid
21:07 <@klixa> but... not sure about this remission thing
21:07 < RangerZ1> nvm... just meant that kids will make you anxious
21:07 <@SuMo_D> I'm confused now
21:07 < RangerZ1> was a joke, that would have gone over MUCH better in person i think... lol
21:07 <@klixa> i understand now
21:08 < RangerZ1> halloween is actually an awesome time to have your bday
21:08 <@klixa> yeah
21:08 < RangerZ1> b/c its 2 months to xmas
21:09 <@klixa> when i learned i was prgnant i was all "i hope its born halloween" and she wad
21:09 < RangerZ1> so 'end of the year' is great, but people can't cheap out and only give you one gift
21:09 < RangerZ1> lo
21:09 <@klixa> was*
21:09 < RangerZ1> lol*
21:09 <@klixa> no epidural...im proud of that
21:09 <@klixa> everyone told me i would cave and get one
21:09 < RangerZ1> klixa: congrats
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21:10 <@SuMo_D> rock on
21:10 < RangerZ1> klixa: i actually don't see the point, but thankfully not an issue i've ever had to debate, lol
21:10 < RangerZ1> is it something to do to make the baby healthier?
21:10 <@klixa> the point is to not have excriciating pain thtat hurts so bad you puke u red jello
21:10 <@klixa> up*
21:10 < RangerZ1> <<honest question , not sure why women do it
21:11 <@klixa> labor hurts.....ALOT... epidurals numb you...thsts the point
21:12 < RangerZ1> ohh i know _that-
21:12 < RangerZ1> i mean, why wouldn't you get one
21:13 <@klixa> 1. i dont want a needle in my spine 2. i dont wanna be numb 3 i was able to walk /shower afterwards
21:13 <@SuMo_D> sometimes they don't get them in the right place, and it can cause problems later for you or the baby... I had a dozen spinal taps , which are similar and one of them still causes me back pain
21:13 <@klixa> 4 no back pain from needle
21:13 < RangerZ1> ok, thanks
21:13 <@klixa> but....my reason was fear
21:14 <@klixa> the less medical stuffs the better
21:14 < RangerZ1> I didn't know it was 'into' the spine
21:14 < RangerZ1> i was emergency c-section (SP?) after like 50+hrs of labor
21:14 <@klixa> damn
21:14 <@klixa> i was in labor for 15 hrs
21:15 <@klixa> i only had to push 20 min tho
21:15 <@SuMo_D> ack... all that sounds horrible...
21:15 <@klixa> SuMo_D: it sucked but it happpens gradually
21:15 <@SuMo_D> Rangerz1 yeah, its in the spine, but not the fluid or something... somebody explained it to me once...
21:15 <@klixa> i started at 3:30 am...felt like gas at first
21:15 <@SuMo_D> that's why the tap is different...
21:16 <@klixa> it was 30 seconds of pain every 5 min
21:16 <@SuMo_D> ack
21:16 <@SuMo_D> well at least you get a cool kid at the end of it right :)
21:16 <@klixa> as time went on pain was morew intense
21:16 <@klixa> but you had a 5 min break between pain at least
21:17 <@SuMo_D> yeah
21:24 <@SuMo_D> so.....
21:26 <@klixa> so...
21:27 < RangerZ1> so... who likes big butts and can not lie?
21:27 < RangerZ1> other than myself, lol -_-
21:27 <@klixa> thats quite a riddle...
21:28 <@SuMo_D> errr... sir mix a lot?
21:28 < RangerZ1> ^
21:31 <@Dagmar> heh Opheria is sorting my pokemon
21:32 <@klixa> ?
21:35 <@klixa> this is pretty https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/q71/1496661_249017565272418_1097049889_n.jpg
21:37 <@SuMo_D> reminds me of Adam Fuss... but they're alive
21:37 <@klixa> um
21:37 <@SuMo_D> http://www.phhfineart.com/articles/article%20images/fuss1.jpg
21:38 <@SuMo_D> the babies were alive http://artblart.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/08-web1.jpg
21:38 <@SuMo_D> these are 4+ feet tall and shiny
21:41 <@SuMo_D> cibachrome is so pretty.... wish it weren't so toxic
21:41 <@klixa> ok i just realised those are entrils
21:41 <@klixa> well google told me rather...
21:43 < RangerZ1> they have pretty entrails
21:43 <@klixa> eh
21:43 <@klixa> i dont like stuff like that...death, gore, entrails, etc
21:43 < RangerZ1> me neither
21:44 < RangerZ1> but 'it is pretty'
21:45 <@SuMo_D> well, you didn't know what it was till you googled it
21:45 <@klixa> true
21:45 <@SuMo_D> they are really amazing photos in person
21:48 < RangerZ1> https://www.eccouncil.org/Certification/certified-ethical-hacker anyone familiar with this?
21:48 < GateKeeper> Title: CEH: Certified Ethical Hacking course from EC-Council (at www.eccouncil.org)
21:48 < RangerZ1> friend of mine asked me about it
21:50 <@klixa> that seems weird...to be a cerified hacker...lol
21:50 < RangerZ1> and honestly, it looks pretty stupid , but "ehh", I don't really keep up with less known certs
21:50 <@Dagmar> The problem there is that they can't really teach you much about thinking like a hacker
21:50 < RangerZ1> klixa: that was my opinion, that it was just a buzzword hodgepodge
21:50 <@klixa> it reminds me of tucson...whrere bums have to get a begging license
21:50 <@Dagmar> They can just show you approaches of getting from the outside, in
21:51 < RangerZ1> plus 500$ test
21:51 < RangerZ1> hell even CCNA isn't that much, and CCNA would actually get you a job
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21:51 <@klixa> i would laugh at anyone with a certificate in hacking
21:52 < RangerZ1> klixa: you'd be surprised
21:52 < RangerZ1> there area  lot of groups that are pushing that, also lots of groups want to push 'community hacking' and other stuff like that
21:52 <@SuMo_D> that's like the certificate to bar tend isn't it?
21:52 < RangerZ1> i think its trying to take control of the term 'hacking' again
21:53 <@Dagmar> Probably
21:53 < RangerZ1> but, we'll see how that goes
21:53 <@Dagmar> If you wanted to be an ass you could call them and ask about specifics of the course
21:53 <@SuMo_D> yeah... like life hacking = white privilege... you guys saw that article a few weeks ago right? shit like that needs to die
21:53 <@Dagmar> Like, how much emphasis do they place on maintaining an all-black wardrobe and selecting the right kinds of techno to listen to
21:54 <@klixa> thats 75% of the final
21:54 <@klixa> the other %25 is how to dlownload scripts
21:54 <@Dagmar> sumo: The rational response to any talk about "white privilege" is "go fuck off"
21:55 <@klixa> there is a vocabulary test too, it features the following words, "l33t, teh, and pwn"
21:55 <@Dagmar> I wonder if they have a typing component where you have to be able to type in leetspeak at 60wpm or higher
21:55 <@Dagmar> That would be old skool
21:56 <@Dagmar> It's a dying art
21:56 <@klixa> i can't even type normal at 60 wpm :/
21:56 <@Dagmar> A lot of us used to do it at that speed or higher as a giggle
21:57 <@Dagmar> Sort of figuratively running in circles around people muddling along at 45wpm
21:57 <@klixa> that's cool
21:59 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: She found the psyduck
21:59 <@Dagmar> heh
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22:00 <@klixa> jiggly puff is my fav pokemon
22:00 <@Dagmar> Well, Wilbur had traded me a psyduck he'd named 'Lindsey'.
22:01 < RangerZ1> lol
22:01 <@klixa> :)
22:01 <@Dagmar> She came over to trade pokemon, looked at the pokebank I had (they land where they land) and freaked out and had to sort them all into boxes
22:02 < RangerZ1> hehe
22:02 <@klixa> hat show King of the Nerds is premiering...maybe those people haev certificates in hacking...
22:02 <@Dagmar> I bet they'll mention Go at least once
22:03 <@SuMo_D> lol those people def have a certificate in hacking
22:03 <@klixa> the word brony has already been said
22:03 <@klixa> SuMo_D: +
22:03 <@klixa> haha
22:04 <@SuMo_D> ha
22:04 <@anarchival> klixa: This is all you need: http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6990659/Certified_Ethical_Hacker_v7_Complete_package
22:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Certified Ethical Hacker v7 Complete package (download torrent) - TPB (at thepiratebay.se)
22:04 <@klixa> anarchival: before you got here, we were discuissing this https://www.eccouncil.org/Certification/certified-ethical-hacker
22:04 < GateKeeper> Title: CEH: Certified Ethical Hacking course from EC-Council (at www.eccouncil.org)
22:04 <@klixa> discussing/s/making fun of
22:05 <@anarchival> klixa: See?
22:06 <@klixa> these people are fake nerds anyway... they are attention whores instead
22:06 <@SuMo_D> I want to go play in nerdvana...
22:07 <@SuMo_D> I wouldn't want to be video tapped though
22:07 <@klixa> they just asked star wars vs star trek... discuss
22:07 <@klixa> SuMo_D: yeah, f*** being videotaped
22:07 <@klixa> and f*** Dr. Who... i hate that show
22:07 <@anarchival> klixa: That's a trick question. Babylon 5.
22:08 <@SuMo_D> Battlestar Galactica
22:08 < RangerZ1> macross or GTFO
22:08 < RangerZ1> aka Robotech
22:08 <@anarchival> BSG is good too but mostly because http://mormonthink.com/glossary/battlestargalactica.htm
22:08 < GateKeeper> Title: Battlestar Galactica (at mormonthink.com)
22:09 <@klixa> anarchival: i thought this was the reason http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=vruB9Eq6An52iM&tbnid=_298Doyo3iHQ6M:&ved=0CAIQjBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.superherostuff.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F03%2Fjason-momoa-conan.jpg&ei=ctnhUsayE8PL2gWCq4CwBA&bvm=bv.59930103,d.b2I&psig=AFQjCNEUbt7pd6IDylx4iWVGLanijdNPqQ&ust=1390619373318254
22:09 < GateKeeper> Title: Redirect Notice (at www.google.com)
22:09 <@klixa> damn..i should have tiny url-ed that
22:12 < RangerZ1> klixa: thats Andromeda
22:12 <@klixa> RangerZ1: i cant keep track of all these shows
22:12 <@klixa> i dont watch any of them
22:12 < RangerZ1> which I agree is very under-sold, the last season just got too meta-physical
22:12 < RangerZ1> sorta like the ending of 'highlander'
22:12 <@Dagmar> Dude it got greek
22:12 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' everyone a cylon practically
22:12 <@SuMo_D> so... king of the nerds is just a big ad for Radio Shack and Make isn't it...
22:12 < RangerZ1> 'the key to winning the greatest fight is to not fight' bs
22:13 <@Dagmar> They really should have stopped halfway through the last one and said "Wait... why are we fighting, exactly?"
22:13 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: honestly, that was my question
22:13 < RangerZ1> i got lost in seasons 2, b/c I kept missing eps, and never went back
22:16 <@Dagmar> The captain kind of got to that state at one point
22:16 <@Dagmar> "Is there anyone on this ship who ISN'T a cylon?"
22:16 < RangerZ1> lol
22:16 <@SuMo_D> Did you guys watch Caprica?
22:16 < RangerZ1> i did watch the ending ep though
22:16 < RangerZ1> was pretty stupid i thought
22:17 <@klixa> there's one person who is not a cylon...the one dude who went away to get his ethical hacker certification
22:17 <@SuMo_D> it got better after the first episode
22:17 <@anarchival> I think it's important we all come away with the central thesis of BSG: networking computers is fundamentally, ethically wrong.
22:17 <@Dagmar> I thought the box art was _very_ misleading
22:18 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: of caprica?
22:18 <@Dagmar> Yes
22:18 <@Dagmar> Might as well be saying "Oppai Caprica"
22:20 <@Dagmar> I mean, from the box art you would think a major story arc would be her getting in touch with her jiggy side on a merry exploration of cyberspace and pneumatic chrome appliances.
22:20 < RangerZ1> lol
22:20 <@anarchival> Speaking of TV, I can't believe they canceled The Duchess of Duke Street after only two seasons.
22:20 <@klixa> never heard of that
22:21 <@anarchival> klixa: I just finished watching the last episode and I'm going to have to watch it again in order to not watch Downton Abbey.
22:21 <@klixa> never heard of that either
22:21 <@klixa> im not much into tv
22:22 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I thought the cover art was an indication that she was the first Cylon, like the Biblical Eve.
22:24 <@klixa> wow, the apple on yhat cover is really pretty
22:24 <@klixa> so red and shiny
22:25  * klixa would have thought the cover was for a porno version of snow white
22:28 <@Dagmar> anarchival: yes, well, generally that's a more pastoral scene
22:28 <@Dagmar> Generally not represented by a hyper-hormone aged girl lying on white satin sheets
22:29 <@Dagmar> The "Eve" thing was practically an undertone to the "HEY LOOK AT THIS YOUNG NAKED GIRL" thing they were doing
22:30 <@Dagmar> At typical "box art" size, all youc an really see is "naked girl", and that's what they aim for
22:30 <@anarchival> Dagmar: We must be thinking of a different cover. The one I remember is her standing naked with an apple.
22:30 <@klixa> yeah
22:30 <@klixa> thats what i saw too
22:30 <@Dagmar> THe first ones I saw had her lying on her side all coy-like
22:31 <@anarchival> Dagmar: That sounds like the porno version.
22:31 <@Dagmar> Yeah why did you think I had a concern as to what they were implying with that
22:31 <@Dagmar> I didn't come up with that bit earlier out of the clear blue sky
22:34 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I just figured that's where your mind always goes.
22:34 <@Dagmar> Yeah I see now they truncated the picture
22:34 <@anarchival> Like so: http://www.craveonline.com/film/articles/181523-the-top-ten-porn-parodies-we-want-to-see#/slide/19
22:34 < GateKeeper> Title: The Top Ten Porn Parodies We Want to See - CraveOnline (at www.craveonline.com)
22:35 <@anarchival> This is like that time I posted the Hogwarts/GIant Squid fanfic.
22:41 <@klixa> im anti porn
22:44 <@anarchival> klixa: http://www.amazon.com/XXX-A-Womans-Right-Pornography/dp/0312152450
22:45 <@klixa> um...ok
22:48 <@eryc> i want an apple now
22:49 <@eryc> anarchival: i thought you were going to send me some boob pics
22:50 <@anarchival> eryc: Why?
22:51 <@eryc> so i can give them to sdodson
22:51 <@eryc> he's lonely
22:51 <@sdodson> eryc, true
22:54 <@anarchival> If I refused to send naked photos to weev, who is languishing for years in a federal prison because he insists on laying his body on the altar of liberty over the gross injustice of the CFAA, then it is reasonable to suppose that you should all despair of your chances.
22:55 <@anarchival> Besides, as northrup has recently demonstrated, the way to win my favor is to show me your photos of pirate wench cosplay.
22:55 < RangerZ1> is he going to be ChelseyWeev when ... She comes out?
22:56 <@anarchival> RangerZ1: Transphobia is an ugly thing. But to answer your question: No. He'll probably have at least one swastika tattoo, though.
22:57 < RangerZ1> I'm not transphobic, I am comfortable enough with them to joke about/with them too
22:57 <@eryc> i thought you said you were going to get drunk and send nudie pics
22:57 <@eryc> or was that klixa?
22:57 <@anarchival> eryc: Definitely klixa. I've never said that.
22:58 <@klixa> i made a joke...
22:58 <@klixa> i never said iw ould send pics tho
22:58 <@anarchival> RangerZ1: Good luck with that.
22:58 < RangerZ1> it would be discriminatory to them if i refused to treat them with adult gloves, and treated them like sad little puppies who couldn't take jokes like everyone else:  "I don't discriminate , I hate everyone" type of thing
22:58 < RangerZ1> lol
22:58 <@eryc> klixa: oh ok
22:59  * eryc gets klixa drunk
22:59 < RangerZ1> or would you rather that sexists treat women with kids gloves ? because they think they can't take being treated like equals?
22:59 <@anarchival> RangerZ1: I recognize you treat everyone disrespectfully. That's not something to brag about. Particularly when the disrespect could be mistaken for bigotry.
23:02 < RangerZ1> very few people rise to the level of being assholes that they deserve me thinking so poorly of them, that I feel they need treated like children
23:02 <@eryc> brad manning is a loser, fuck him
23:03 <@eryc> fuck weev too
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23:29 <@Corydon76-work> There is no Brad Manning, only Chelsea Manning.
23:35 < RangerZ1> legally I think he's still bradly isn't he?
23:35 < RangerZ1> b/c you can't change  your name while in us fed. prison
23:35 < RangerZ1> but thats a technicality
23:36 < RangerZ1> or something like that
23:50 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ1: Actually, CNN has reported, that she could legally change her first name; she just cannot use that to change her prison uniform
23:50 < RangerZ1> Ahh ok
23:50 <@Corydon76-work> Prison uniform has the last name, so a first name change wouldn't affect that, anyway
23:52 <@Corydon76-work> And her lawyer is presently suing the Army to provide her with hormone replacement therapy
23:52 < RangerZ1> i heard it on NPR, but only the end of the report (whenever it was aired)
23:52 < RangerZ1> for free?
23:52 < RangerZ1> or he has to pay for it?
23:53 < RangerZ1> she* i guess, as self-identified
23:54 <@Corydon76-work> She has volunteered to pay for it; it's just a question of the Army permitting the therapy to occur under their watch.
23:54 < RangerZ1> I'm fine with her getting it if she pays for it
23:54 < RangerZ1> but i don't know how i feel about it being provided by the army itself
23:56 <@Corydon76-work> Given the warning signs that she should have had her security clearance revoked and herself discharged WELL before she was even sent to Iraq, the Army is at least partially culpable for the leak, and because of that, they ought to have to pay for all treatment determined by a competent professional is warranted.
23:56 <@Corydon76-work> Including hormone therapy, if recommended by a psychiatrist
23:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's the thing that kinda pisses me off there
23:58 <@Dagmar> I read those chat logs
23:59 <@Dagmar> Adrian's kind of a dick
23:59 <@Dagmar> He should have been calling Manning's CO and telling him flat out that he was a few bad days away from eating a bullet
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