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00:14 <@Corydon76-work> Anybody know of a way to downgrade browser SSL for a certain few URLs?
00:15 <@Corydon76-work> I have an embedded SSL server from 2001 that doesn't have any ciphers in common with current Chrome
00:17 <@NotLarry> anyone got a vm running?
00:18 <@NotLarry> Wow, I got to stop clicking things, I am now in a hot chat in gmail
00:18 <@NotLarry> I think that is where it is going.
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00:42 <@NotLarry> Someone message me Dolemite's phone number...
01:04 <@NotLarry> Ok, when applying for a job and they ask you salary desired, wtf do you put in there?  I'd like all the money...
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01:25 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: what's the job position?
01:29 < RangerZ> so there is a "dolomite" on Star Citizen
01:29 < RangerZ> not the same one
01:29 < RangerZ> or he played the fool
01:30 < RangerZ> NotLarry: it depends on what you should be qualified for, and what the job is/where it is
01:34 < RangerZ> _and_ what you think you can actually get
01:36 < RangerZ> a job in san fran for 100k/yr vs a job in Yougnstown for 50~60k, i'd probalby take the one in youngstown, since you'd actually have such a lower cost of living, that the extra 40k is pretty much for naught anyways
01:36 < RangerZ> so thats the 'where'
01:36 < RangerZ> but goodnight
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01:46 <@NotLarry> I went with negotiable and sent it in.
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01:58 <@klixa> i have an iPad mini now and have eaten nothing today except key lime pie :/
02:27 <@SuMo_D> mmm pi
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07:22 <@NotLarry> http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/1100660
07:22 < GateKeeper> Title: funny pigs swine flu wallpaper (#1100660) / Wallbase.cc (at wallbase.cc)
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07:51 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:55 <@NotLarry> Morning
07:55 <@NotLarry> Dole, I put you as a reference
07:55 <@NotLarry> Used the old phone number.
07:56 <@the_hugme> Morning
07:57 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: Yeah, I noticed you also LinkedIn to me.  Trying to act all civilized at once?
07:58 <@brimstone> brookshire!
07:58 <@brimstone> InfoSecDog!
07:59 <@the_hugme> Norm!
08:06 <@the_hugme> Phil the wonder llama!
08:06 <@the_hugme> Mr. Hankey!
08:16 <@opticron> Mr. Ed!
08:32 <@the_hugme> Emergency Pants!
08:34 <@Dolemite> Oh, shoot.  That's what I forgot to wear today.
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08:55 <@Dolemite> Meeting time. Joy!
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09:32 <@Catonic> Never trust a fart.
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09:43 <@benthemeek> So a rabbi, a kernel developer, and a proctologist walk into a bar...
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09:44 <@benthemeek> I will just keep throwing those out there and hope someone comes up with a good punchline so I can take partial credit for inventing the joke
09:47 <@Dagmar> No.
09:47 <@Dagmar> ...and don't make us go tell a grownn-up.
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10:01 <@Evilpig> there are no grown ups here
10:04 <@Catonic> lol
10:04 <@Dolemite> There are some old people, but not grown ups
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10:14 < aestetix> aaaandd the google bus protests keep on coming
10:15 <@eryc> burn them alive
10:15 <@benthemeek> I havent paid attention aestetix
10:15 <@benthemeek> quick summary on whats going on with that?
10:16 <@oddball> Oh noes! An employer is spending a considerable amount of money on fringe benifits to its employees!
10:16 <@benthemeek> ah private bus that is thus taking away from actually helping public transportation then?
10:16 < aestetix> https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/01/21/18749504.php
10:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley. : Indybay (at www.indybay.org)
10:16 < aestetix> this just showed up on hnn
10:17 < aestetix> Personally I think that's going way too far
10:17 <@oddball> benthemeek: Basically a bunch of people in the SanFran area are all pissy that Google is paying their employees a lot of money, therefor the employees can afford the outrages cost of living in the SanFran area.
10:18 < aestetix> pissy isn't the right word for it
10:18 < aestetix> they are blockading the buses and throwing rocks at the windows
10:18 <@benthemeek> ah
10:18 < aestetix> They are fucking lunatics
10:19 < aestetix> I hope that guy doesn't have a family
10:19 < aestetix> imagine his kids waking up to protesters with signs outside their driveway
10:20 <@oddball> Throwing rocks at windows/cars?  Good thing for them that it's essentially impossible for those without connections and/or deep pockets to get carry permits in CA.
10:20 < aestetix> you know
10:20 < aestetix> I have been to Russia.
10:20 < aestetix> I saw what it's like not to have free speech.
10:20  * aestetix grumbles about the kids
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10:21 <@benthemeek> Wow. So they are angry that is it too expensive to live in the area and google is the scape goat?
10:21 <@oddball> Yep... pretty much.
10:21 < aestetix> yes
10:21 < aestetix> I mean, the bay area is having some deep issues right now
10:21 < aestetix> And honestly, I think it's just the most glaring example of wealth inequality that's hitting the entire country
10:22 <@benthemeek> I don't see how that can be fixed. Costs of housing are set by demand
10:22 <@oddball> "the bay area has some deep issues"
10:22 < aestetix> But throwing rocks at the google bus is not going to fix that
10:22 <@oddball> there... fixed that for you.
10:22 < aestetix> oddball: hahah
10:22 <@eryc> it might fix it
10:22 <@eryc> maybe googlers will dedicate 20% projects to fixing incoming inequality
10:22 < aestetix> heh
10:23 <@oddball> I've visited the area.  It's very pretty, and I understand the desire to live there, but... nope!
10:23 < aestetix> atually you know what would be nice
10:23 <@eryc> vagina?
10:23 < aestetix> if google gave their employees a bonus or something for spending their 20% time volunteering at a soup kitchen
10:23 <@Dagmar> They'd just spend the time to realize that the people on the benefittinng side of that equality aren't going to let anything change
10:24 < aestetix> or at an HIV clinic or something
10:24 <@Dagmar> We will *have* to have a revolution, at this point.
10:24 < aestetix> actually
10:24 < aestetix> screw google
10:24 <@Dagmar> What's going on presently will never be fixed, and it will only get worse.
10:24 < aestetix> EVERY company should reward employees for volunterring like that
10:24 <@Dagmar> In another 50 years, we'll probably formally bring back indentured servitude
10:24 < aestetix> you work four days a week, and spend the fifth day giving back to the community
10:25 <@eryc> google should start bussing in the poor people who have to live far away from their jobs in the bay area
10:25 < aestetix> eryc: also not a bad idea
10:25 <@Dagmar> Why just Google?
10:25 <@brimstone> google should just buy san francisco
10:25 <@benthemeek> I’m pleading kruger-dunning on this again
10:25 <@benthemeek> brimstone++
10:25 <@brimstone> then they can kick everyone else out
10:26 < aestetix> so what's funny
10:26 < aestetix> google isn't actually the major issue here
10:26 <@brimstone> that's how government works right?
10:26 < aestetix> twitter is
10:26 <@Dagmar> huh?
10:26 < aestetix> Twitter threatened to leave SF if they couldn't get a good tax rate. So the city changed the tax code, and now twitter has dirt cheap property tax
10:27 < aestetix> And this whole area that was kind of a ghetto is now filling up with rich twitter employees
10:27 <@Dagmar> So, why not blame hte city for allowing the ghetto to occur in the first place?
10:27 <@oddball> aestetix: That's pretty standard with any large company.
10:27 <@Dagmar> Let's review.  Ghetto, bad.
10:28 < aestetix> Or why not blame the city for preventing code to zoning laws allowing more/taller residential buildings
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10:28 < aestetix> s/code/changes/
10:28 <@eryc> SF should raise the minimum wage to like $30-40/hr
10:28 < aestetix> but nah
10:28 <@oddball> But... but... that would destroy everything!
10:28 <@Dagmar> eryc: I think thta's a bit high but I agree in principle
10:28 < aestetix> we can solve all the problems by throwing rocks at the google bus
10:29 <@Dagmar> i was always astonished anyone could afford to work at McDonalds theree
10:29 <@oddball> aestetix: The taller/more buildings would be solving the problem!
10:29 <@Dagmar> ...but from the looks of it, none of those people live on their own
10:29 < aestetix> oddball: but the city keeps voting down ballot measures to change zoning
10:29 <@Dagmar> I don't see how taller buildings will help
10:29 < aestetix> .... because apparently letting them build new housing units would just encourage people to move here
10:30 <@Dagmar> The place already has working mass-transport
10:30 <@eryc> its ok to throw rocks at google buses, most of the people onboard are already stoned anyway
10:30 <@benthemeek> Did you hear about the republican senator not long ago who suggested a much higher minimum wage? He said that right now it is the state with food stamps and other services that are having to help the people who are barely subsisting; Why not make it the companies themselves... That actually made good sense to me
10:30 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: This is why I was agreeing with eryc
10:30 < aestetix> benthemeek: yeah, raising minimum wage will just cause prices to rise too
10:30 <@Dagmar> Not much
10:31 <@oddball> aestetix: Yeah.. you can either try to keep your quant setup... and cause property values (and therefor rent) to skyrocket, or you can actually fix the issue.
10:31 <@Dagmar> That's mostly a lie people are telling.
10:31 < aestetix> uh
10:31 <@Dagmar> The amount of cost labor adds to things in places where minimum wage or close to it is in effect, is about 5-10%
10:32 <@Dagmar> Do some math on how much money McDonalds pulls in per day sometime
10:32 <@Dagmar> Just sit and watch one of the places for about 20 minutes, counting how many customers they serve
10:32 <@oddball> WizardPC now lives in a small town right next to Nashville that has kept the small town feel.  How did they do that?  By essentially becoming one giant HOA where you damn near have to get city approval to repaint your house.
10:32 <@Dagmar> The cost of the employees doesn't amount to shit
10:33 < aestetix> Dagmar: what about small business that can't afford minimum wage hikes?
10:33 <@Dagmar> Let's be honest.
10:33 <@Dagmar> If this turns their profit model into the red, they were already a failed business
10:33 < aestetix> heh
10:33 <@Dagmar> The only reason they were still around was the unwitting largesse of their employees
10:33 <@oddball> Dagmar: That's assuming that the big wigs at the top are willing to either a. take pay cuts themselves, or b. show a hit on their profit reports.
10:34 <@Dagmar> Again, labor is not that big of a cost.
10:34 <@Dagmar> I had time to think about this shit when I was working at Perkins, and I got to thinking about it because of some claims that management were making
10:35 <@Dagmar> ...one of which was that the graveyard shit at Perkins wasn't profitable.
10:35 <@Dagmar> This was a _bald-faced lie_
10:35 <@Dagmar> er bold-faced.
10:35 <@Dagmar> How do I know?  They made the mistake of having me print the register tape at the end of the evenings.
10:35 <@Dagmar> So... I knew exactly how much food and drink we were selling, and when we were selling it.
10:36 <@Dagmar> The graveyard shift was actually wildly profitable, and more than made the daily nut for all the empoyees and the lease on the place, by itself.
10:37 < aestetix> Yeah but what about the CEO's cocaine habit?
10:37 <@Dagmar> That could be a problem.
10:38 <@Dagmar> Because let's face it.  The fundamental problem is a much simpler issue, and one highlighted by an anecdotal saying
10:39 <@Dagmar> "Minimum wage is an employer's way of saying they'd pay you even less if someone wouldn't try to throw them into jail for it."
10:39 <@Dagmar> ...and that's what it amounts to.  Employers who are in the minimum-wage area are there because they would be paying their employees _even less_ if it were legally an option
10:40 < aestetix> penis
10:40 <@Dagmar> It's not a matter of them just not wanting to spend money on anyone but themselves.  It's literally an issue of them being far more stingy about payroll than they are about things like _commercial endorsements_
10:42 <@Dagmar> They don't want to give money to anyone who isn't "one of them".
10:43 <@Dagmar> ...and the only thing preventing them from flat out allowing employees to starve to death is that minimum wage is enforced by law.
10:44 <@Dagmar> Generally, this is all due to really fucking stupid accounting practices, which file payroll as a cost center, and apply different standards to everything else.
10:45 <@Dagmar> Advertising?  They don't actually generally have hard numbers of ROI there
10:45 <@Dagmar> They're throwing money at other rich people because they promised they'd send more custommers in
10:48 <@Dagmar> There's no guarantee on it whatsoever.
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10:48 < nachoguy> "Our problem is with Google, its pervasive surveillance capabilities  utilized by the NSA, the technologies it is developing, and the  gentrification its employees are causing in every city they inhabit. "
10:48 < nachoguy> gentrification is a bad thing?
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10:48 < aestetix> you know
10:48 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: Since when do they have surveillance capabilities
10:49 < aestetix> every google engineer I know hates that shit
10:49 < nachoguy> O noes, less crackheads and skeezy shadowy figures and more well kept lawns and quiet streets.  Oh the Huge Manitee
10:49 <@Dagmar> If they don't like gentrification, maybe they shoudl complain at the people who are in control of rent?
10:49 < nachoguy> That's from the link aestetix posted above: https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/01/21/18749504.php
10:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley. : Indybay (at www.indybay.org)
10:50 <@Dagmar> Hell, let's get mad and throw rocks at Wal-Mart custommers because Wal-Mart has terrible business practices
10:50 < nachoguy> Dagmar, more like go to the homes of the walmart greeters and break windows
10:50 <@Dagmar> As far as I'm concerned, if you're running around in this years' North Face line, you don't have the right to be protesting about any kind of fucking financial hardship
10:51 <@Dagmar> ...and you look at the photos of those protestors carefull
10:51 <@Dagmar> They're just protesting Google's buses because they're conveniently located
10:51 < dwhess> It isn't like the cost of living in SF was low to start with.  Now the people who caused the earlier gentrification are facing the same thing.
10:51 <@Dagmar> They wouldnt do a fucking thing about them if the buses only went to Palo Alto
10:52 <@klixa> they are protestibg cause it's the bay...they would protest water if they got bored enough...
10:52 < dwhess> The buses go where the employees live.
10:52 < nachoguy> The rhetoric they're spouting in the flier (linked on that page) is pretty far out there
10:52 <@Dagmar> It's not gentrification if your rent is already >$1000 a month
10:52 <@Dagmar> It's prices spiraling out of control because people are fucking greedy
10:52 < dwhess> It is if your rent goes higher.
10:53 < dwhess> Rich people can face gentrificaiton caused by richer people.
10:53 <@Dagmar> ...or they can campaign for rent control.
10:54 < dwhess> hehe.  Like that will solve anything without causing more problems.
10:54 <@Dagmar> When capitalism starts failing, it's time to inject a little regulation
10:54 < aestetix> heh
10:54 < aestetix> my rent is over $1000 a month, but nowhere near what some of my friends pay
10:54 < aestetix> and yes, I have rent control
10:54 < dwhess> Right.  Because the earlier regulation which caused capitalism to fail wasn't enough.
10:54 <@Dagmar> dwhess: Clearly it wasn't
10:55 <@klixa> y rent was $2000 month in fremont for a studio... :/
10:55 < dwhess> Might be confusing capitalism with free market here though.
10:55 < aestetix> Some of my friends pay like $2500/month and consider themselves lucky
10:55 <@klixa> my*
10:55 < dwhess> There certainly is no free market in SF.
10:55 < aestetix> klixa: yeah, I live in downtown oakland
10:55 <@Dagmar> I have yet to see a case where capitalism and free markets weren't basically synonymous
10:55 < aestetix> we got our place before the major boom hit here, and we got rent control
10:55 <@klixa> aestetix: downtown? i thought you lived in piedmont
10:56 <@klixa> you might live near my friends then
10:56 < aestetix> well, closer to uptown
10:56 < aestetix> I'm at like 30th and broadway
10:56 <@Dagmar> ....but either way, when the issue is landlords asking for a ridiculous amount of rent, which results in a massive profit margin for no reason other than high population density, rent control won't make them starve
10:56 <@klixa> aestetix: ever heard of Womb? its a hippie commubne thing?
10:56 <@klixa> or Hillarity House?
10:56 < aestetix> not offhand
10:56 < aestetix> but that doesn't mean anything
10:56 <@klixa> ok..i know osme people who live there too
10:56 < aestetix> there are a ton of those places around here
10:56 <@Dagmar> On the other hand, $4,000/month rent can easily cause people to starve and/or become homeless
10:57 <@klixa> it's easier to be homless in the bay...california sty;e homeless..ie RV
10:57  * klixa has been California-style homeless a few times
10:57 <@Dagmar> Like Marx said (paraphrasing).  The people who own shit control shit and the people who don't are entirely at their mercy, but sometimes mercy has to be forced into play.
10:58 < dwhess> Or they could just move out of SF.
10:59 <@brimstone> dwhess: out
10:59 <@brimstone> that is not an option here
10:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah unfortunately brimstone is right
10:59 <@klixa> i would live in San JOse if i worked in silicon valley... 1. its closer 2.it's cheaper
10:59 <@klixa> and 3...imo a lot nicer
10:59 < dwhess> How could it not be an option?  They wouldn't even have to leave the state.
10:59 <@oddball> Yeah... I would love to live in Green Hills or the Vandy area... but I can't afford it... so I don't.
10:59 <@Dagmar> Generally people don't start to get really upset about rent going up until it's gobbled up all their savings and they can't afford to move
10:59 <@brimstone> dwhess: if you bring logic into this one more time...
11:00 <@klixa> oddball: i dunno if you know the bay....but stuff there is WAY MORE spread out
11:00 <@Dagmar> This is why low wages are such a vicious cycle
11:00 <@klixa> its not like living off charlotte instead of west end, etc
11:00 <@klixa> youd have to go 50 miles away
11:00 <@Dagmar> People would work elsewhere, if they could afford to be anywhere near to somewhere that paid momre
11:00 <@klixa> there are people who live in freaking Stockton
11:00 <@klixa> that work in the bay
11:00 < dwhess> So poor planning on their part justifies emergency measures?
11:00 <@oddball> klixa: I know people that make that commute every day.
11:00 <@Dagmar> dwhess: Worked for Bank of America didn't it?
11:00 < dwhess> hehe.  I lived in Stockton for a while.
11:01 <@klixa> i hate stockton
11:01 <@klixa> and lodi
11:01 < dwhess> Dagmar, it sure did but I suspect they planned it.
11:01 <@oddball> Hell, one of my coworkers at my last job came in from Bowling Green every day.
11:01 < dwhess> I was born not far from there.  Lived in Stockton, Oakdale, and probably some other area I don't remember.
11:01 <@Dagmar> Either way, having people essentially trapped in an area is a no-win scenario
11:02 < dwhess> Modesto, Manteca, Tracy, and Walnut Creek were common destinations.
11:02 <@klixa> San Jose is a reaosnable alternative to SF
11:02 < dwhess> I tried that in Sim City and it didn't work.  People were leaving causing property values (and taxes) to go down so I bulldozed the roads.  They still got away.
11:03 <@oddball> Property values go up because of an influx of people with money that are willing to pay the higher prices, there's only two options.  1. build more/taller buildings, 2. move out.
11:03 <@Dagmar> 3. rent control
11:03 <@klixa> i read something a few months ago while i lived in the bay that SF wants to build micro houseing...like it would be a tiny room barely big enough to sleep in...just for all teh tech workers
11:03 < dwhess> I thought the Google bus thing was inspirational.  Parking (and cars) in SF are a major problem.
11:04 <@Dagmar> klixa: We'll see whether or not that's need-based pricing, or greed-based pricinng if/when it happens
11:04 < dwhess> Rent control causes more problems than it solves and how would that work with California's proposition 13?  That seems like an invitation to disaster.
11:04 <@Dagmar> My thinking is that they'll plan on renting them cheap, and then wind up renting them for marginally less than a shitty efficiency in a bad part of town, clamiming "competition"
11:04 <@brimstone> i like how the bulldozers in Sim City show up instantly.
11:05 <@Dagmar> dwhess: Please list the problems that it causes which so wildly outnumber people starving and/or being homeless?
11:05 < dwhess> The bulldozers did work in another way though.  I discovered that if you have no road intersections, then you never have congestion.
11:05 < dwhess> You mean other than distorting the market in such a way as to undervalue goods causing shortages?
11:06 <@Dagmar> McDonald's couldn't hope to operate in the Bay Area if it weren't for dependent minor children
11:06 < dwhess> Why don't we cap the price of oil at the well head to lower fuel prices as well?
11:06 <@Dagmar> dwhess: You're making shit up now
11:06 < dwhess> Um, that actually happened.
11:06 <@Dagmar> "unndervalue goods causing shortages"
11:07 <@Dagmar> What shortage does rent control cause?
11:08 < dwhess> Shortage of housing requiring further laws.
11:08 <@Dagmar> How does it cause a "shortage" of housing?
11:08 <@Dagmar> ...and I do mean *cause*.
11:08 < dwhess> It alters the supply and demand ratio.
11:08 <@Dagmar> Generally, when rent control becomes necessary, there's already a shortage
11:09 <@Dagmar> dwhess: That does not cause a shortage
11:09 <@Dagmar> Also, doesn't really do much to alter the demand or the supply side, come to think of it
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11:10 <@Dagmar> What it *does* do, is restricts the ability of greedy property owners to see a 500-1000% return on their investment
11:10 < dwhess> It alters the supply side because it curtails investment.  It alters the demand side by producing more buyers.
11:10 <@Dagmar> Doesn't produce more buyers
11:11 <@Dagmar> It's also a bogus argument to say it curtails innvestment, because it can't
11:12 <@Dagmar> If rent control were deployed where everything was fine, it would be a problem, because investors would probably be able to find equally high returns elsewhere
11:12 <@Dagmar> If it's deployed in ares where shit is out of control, the only thing it affects is their ability to see entirely anomalous returns
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11:13 <@Dagmar> Other areas which *aren't* in an economic doom spiral get a better chance at being considered
11:13 <@Dagmar> ...but largely their ability to make a profit winds up being no worse than in any other city
11:16 <@Dagmar> Of course, if you do nothing, then the very obvious thing happens, and the tiny fraction of the city who own all the shit, get even richer and wind up...oh wait... they _already_ own all the shit
11:16 <@Dagmar> Mainly you just cement their grip on owning goddamn everything
11:17 < aestetix> is anyplace in the US *not* in an economic doom spiral right now?
11:17 < dwhess> Having seen the politics of SF and California first hand, I know that isn't going to change.
11:17 < dwhess> Washington DC isn't.
11:18 < aestetix> dwhess: this is the same DC that can't get a budget through without a shutdown? :)
11:19 < dwhess> Oh, I'm not kidding.   http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/washington-dc-the-nations-fastest-growing-top-earning-best-educated-city/250406/
11:19 < GateKeeper> Title: Washington, D.C.: The Nation's Fastest-Growing, Top-Earning, Best-Educated City - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic (at www.theatlantic.com)
11:19 < dwhess> And considering that what DC produces is in, well, demand, that makes sense.
11:20 <@Dagmar> Well, at some point things will get bad enough we'll start burning rich people to keep warm
11:20 <@Dagmar> THEN things will change
11:21 < aestetix> you know
11:21 < aestetix> IIRC, a lot of DC's boom was due to the wars
11:22 <@Dagmar> ...and it's probably still there ebcasue we haven't slowed the spending on weapons and military a bit
11:22 < dwhess> And the increase in government.  For some times the translation of "spending cut" has been "cut in spending growth".
11:23 < dwhess> Hmmm.  San Fransisco already *has* rent control.
11:23 < dwhess> I never lived there myself.  I only visited.
11:23 <@Dagmar> dwhess: Not really
11:24 <@Dagmar> What they have is a restriction on the amount your rent can go up each year
11:24 < dwhess> Yes, that is rent control.
11:24 < aestetix> Right.
11:25 <@Dagmar> The kind of rent control they need is rent _caps_
11:25 < dwhess> It's indexed by inflation and there are other considerations as well as exemptions.
11:25 <@Dagmar> The problme being that this is only for existing tenants
11:26 <@Dagmar> If you didn't live there before, you can be charged whatever the hell the landlord thinks they can get
11:26 < dwhess> Huh?
11:26 <@Dagmar> THEN your rent can only go up by 7% a year
11:27 < dwhess> http://www.sftu.org/rentcontrol.html
11:27 < GateKeeper> Title: San Francisco Tenants Union (at www.sftu.org)
11:27 < dwhess> It hasn't been 7% for 30 years.
11:28 < dwhess> I'm sure there are all kinds of loopholes though.
11:28 <@Dagmar> 7% or whatever it happens to be
11:28 <@Dagmar> The problem still remains that a new lease isn't exactly protected by rent control
11:29 < dwhess> That link says very specifically that new tents are covered.  New building aren't though but how many new building are in SF?
11:29 <@Dagmar> Considering half the place was destroyed awwhile back?
11:29 <@Dagmar> They're actually constantly tearing stuff down to build new stuff
11:31 < dwhess> hehe.  The earthquake wasn't that bad.  I remember traveling on the Nimitz freeway.  It had sagged so much years before the earthquake that it was difficult to travel on if your suspension wasn't in good shape.
11:32 < dwhess> The cars with worn out shock absorbers would be bouncing around while the cars with good shocks would hug the road.
11:34 <@Dagmar> Most of the marina was leveled
11:34 <@Dagmar> I saw a lot of people there living in places that had been rebuilt since the earthquake
11:39 <@Mirage> gah.. rsync --delete and forgetting to exclude "/boot"
11:40 <@Mirage> quick way to make sure the rescue disk is good.
11:41 <@Dagmar> Hopefully it'll realize that /dev isn't real
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12:10 <@sasquatc4> man when did thinkgeek get so lame
12:10 <@sasquatc4> figured id take advantage of their b1g1 sale, they dont sell any of the crap i want anymore, everything is all doctor who, star wars, and minecraft
12:10 <@sasquatc4> most of their 'gadgets' dont even come close to interesting anymore
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12:13 <@sasquatc4> dont get me wrong, like the doctor and starwars as much as the next guy, but i went to think geek for cool innovative gadgets and crap, not to be sold merchandising shlock from pop culture
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12:20 <@Shadow404> mmmm florida weather
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12:22 <@eryc> sasquatc4: they probably got tired of dealing with all the returns for broken gadgets
12:24 <@Bahhumbug> http://imgur.com/a/PcZnB#0
12:24 < GateKeeper> Title: Programmer Hummor - Imgur (at imgur.com)
12:29 <@Corydon76-work> sasquatc4: It's the usual evolution that people get into a business because they see a niche they can fill, and then they realize how much more crap they can sell if they go a little more mainstream
12:33 <@Dagmar> Also, it's inventory season
12:33 <@Dagmar> THey're looking to get rid of everything that hasn't sold, so they don't have to count it
12:35 < dwhess> Wouldn't they only have to count it in states that have an inventory tax like Texas?
12:35 <@Dagmar> No, everywhere is doing inventory this time of year generally
12:46 <@Corydon76-work> Mostly in the retail space, yes
12:47 <@Corydon76-work> Generally, it's dependent upon when the end of their fiscal year is.  A lot of retailers have their fiscal year end at the end of January, so they have a full month after Christmas season to do accounting and inventory.
12:48 <@sasquatc4> Corydon76-work, yea thats what i figured is they realized they appeal to the masses more by slinging the poppy stuff
12:48 <@sasquatc4> its just been a few years since i been on there, so it was a shock
12:48 < dwhess> So what solutions are there for IPv6 tunneling now? AT&T has finally got their act together and is blocking protocol 41 which leaves only UDP tunneling but the only provider I know of that does that has email problems.
12:49 <@Corydon76-work> dwhess: Why not use a VPS provider that provisions both IPv4 and IPv6?  You can then openvpn to that machine, and route your traffic out on native IPv6.
12:50 < dwhess> maybe.  I have considered that but IPv6 tunenling used to be free for me.
12:50 <@Corydon76-work> This is a blog that posts a lot of inexpensive VPS providers:  http://lowendbox.com/
12:50 < GateKeeper> Title: Low End Box - Cheap VPS Hosting Providers Listing & Reviews (at lowendbox.com)
12:50 < dwhess> It still would be free if AT&T wasn't blocking it or if my UDP tunnel provider didn't have problems.
12:50 <@Corydon76-work> You could ask your provider to provide an alternate port to get around blocking
12:51 <@Corydon76-work> Or you could call AT&T and ask them to unblock port 41
12:51 < dwhess> You'r funny.  You make me laugh.
12:51 < dwhess> It isn't port 41.  It is protocol 41.
12:51 <@Corydon76-work> Ah...
12:51 < dwhess> Trying to get anything out of AT&T is a waste of time.
12:51 <@Corydon76-work> Sorry, I misread above.
12:52 <@Corydon76-work> I wonder why AT&T is blocking protocol 41
12:52 < dwhess> At first AT&T only blocked output protocol 41 to the multicast address but now they block it to all addresses although I suspect they are now blocking it incoming instead of outgoing.
12:52 <@Corydon76-work> It could very well be a mistake on some network admin's part
12:52 <@Mirage> protocol 41?  GRE?
12:52 < dwhess> I think first they wanted their users to use only their tunnel endpoint but now I think they want to sell it as an extra service.
12:53 <@Corydon76-work> Protocol 41 is IPv6
12:53 < dwhess> A mistake which goes on for years and gets worse.  Right.
12:53 <@Corydon76-work> GRE is 47
12:53 <@Mirage> ok..i knew it was 40-somethign
12:53 <@Corydon76-work> See /etc/protocols
12:53 < dwhess> Protocol 41 is the native IPv6 inside IPv4 protocol.  It works well when it works.
12:54 < dwhess> You can even tunnel automagically in most cases.
12:54 <@Mirage> i used to run 6-to-4 at phreaknic and at home through freenet6
12:54 < dwhess> Anyway, I was thinking of sending a raspberry pi off to one of those free hosting places and using that as a tunnel endpoint to at least tunnel protocol 41 through.
12:55 <@Corydon76-work> There are free hosting places that won't get pissed off when you suddenly divert all your traffic through them?
12:55 < dwhess> Would just have to divert protocol 41.
12:56 <@Corydon76-work> Given that DNS prefers AAAA records over A records, that's not most of your traffic?
12:56 < dwhess> Not many sites bother with AAAA records.
12:57 < dwhess> Not even 10% that I have noticed.
12:57 <@Corydon76-work> Depends upon the destination, I suppose
12:58 < dwhess> Maybe I will try and fix the email problem first.  I *had* a UDP tunnel through sixxs but my old email bounced whne I changed ISPs so my account got locked and they won't unlock it even though they changed the email address.
12:59 < dwhess> But I've been trying to get that fixed for months with no positive results.
12:59 <@Corydon76-work> They won't unlock it if you fax your identification to them?
12:59 <@Corydon76-work> That's usually what it takes for me
12:59 <@Corydon76-work> I fax a copy of my ID and credit card
12:59 < dwhess> That isn't the problem.  They only replied once, fixed the email address, and then left the account locked.
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13:00 <@Corydon76-work> You don't this all over email, or are you calling them?
13:00 < dwhess> So the only contact I have is email and they don't respond.
13:00 <@Corydon76-work> Argh.  s/don't/doing/
13:00 <@anarchival> Codin' codin' codin'
13:00 <@Corydon76-work> Have you tried the phone number on their whois lookup?
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13:01 < dwhess> No.
13:01 <@anarchival> I need to make a codin' version of Rollin' like I did for trollin' http://pastebin.com/LbM6CrUe
13:01 < GateKeeper> Title: Trollin' for Weev - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
13:02 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: what's the longest you've stayed erect without suppliments?
13:02 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Um, I don't record shit like that
13:02 < aestetix> Fair enough.
13:02 <@anarchival> aestetix: Early to bed, early to rise, fish all day, make up lies.
13:03 <@Corydon76-work> For the record, I've never taken supplements for that purpose
13:03 < aestetix> No viagra?
13:04 <@Corydon76-work> although, thank you for reminding me to take my Geritol
13:04 <@Corydon76-work> Nope
13:04 <@Mirage> is there a 9-10 year old that hijacks aestetix's session every so often?
13:05 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I need to introduce you to Harley and have him take you to one of his haunts on the weekend
13:05 < aestetix> Harley?
13:05 <@Corydon76-work> Alaniz
13:06 <@Corydon76-work> Just last week, he had an Arkansas country boy swear that he was an abomination to gay men and had set back the civil rights movement by 50 years.
13:07 <@Corydon76-work> Just for taking the kid out to a certain club
13:07 < aestetix> Huh?
13:07 <@Corydon76-work> I have a suspicion you'd enjoy the hell out of hanging out with Harley
13:09 < dwhess> I'm not the only one with this SIXXS problem: http://blog.piechotka.com.pl/2010/08/27/sixxs-how-to-disable-your-own-account-by-request-to-change-a/
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13:34 < aestetix> wow
13:34 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1vuhvg/why_is_it_so_hard_to_make_friends_as_an_adult/
13:34 < GateKeeper> Title: Why is it so hard to make friends as an adult? : AskReddit (at www.reddit.com)
13:34 < aestetix> this is depressing to read
13:35 < nachoguy> #1: cuz you'sa bitch
13:35 < aestetix> lol
13:35 < aestetix> pretty much
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13:40 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: because people assume you have ulterior motives to being "friends"
13:41 <@Corydon76-work> It's somewhat interesting how in much of urban gay culture, your friends are people you've hooked up with and didn't lose contact with.
13:43 < dwhess> Because there is a Muller's Ratchet for cynicism.
13:44 <@Corydon76-work> dwhess: While I understand the reference, the intent of your comment eludes me
13:45 < dwhess> Cynicism increases monotonically with age.
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13:45 <@Corydon76-work> Ah
13:45 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I find it interesting that many of those comments are about how much people are in the "other" category (married, single, with kids, without) and claim its easy for others but hard for them.
13:46 <@benthemeek> Its like being a teen all over again and thinking you are being singled out, when in fact everyone feels that way
13:46 <@Corydon76-work> I'm going to blame Disney and other forms of entertainment which portray making friends as effortless.
13:47 <@benthemeek> I think (for myself) I hold on to many relationships that have clearly moved on. Perhaps it would be better to find new friends and let the other ones go where they want to
13:48 <@Dagmar> So... I just got a notification from Highlight sayinng one of their developers liked my post
13:48 <@Corydon76-work> The other problem is that we in modern society have confused "friends" with "acquaintances"
13:48  * benthemeek nods
13:48 <@Dagmar> Would it be unkind of me to publicly point out that I have never, ever posted to Highlight?
13:49 <@Dagmar> I'm getting a little fed up with these fake social media notifications
13:50 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: you run a realtime blackhole list, right?  Just classify them as spam, and see how quickly they run away from their new marketing team...
13:52 <@Corydon76-work> I really hate the whole "I made a new friend today."  Bullshit.  You became acquainted with someone.  You didn't meet them and become friends in one day.  Friendship takes a lot more to build.
13:54 <@Mirage> IMO aquaintence is a stretch for most "friend's" on social sites.
13:56 <@Dagmar> Actually, HIghlight is somme kind of tagging thing
13:56 <@Dagmar> ...but I installed it about two years ago, then uninstalled it a couple of days later when I realized it was useless to me
13:56 <@Dagmar> What they're sending me is simply a _lie_
13:56 <@Mirage> At least most of my "friends" are people i've met in person..but i wouldn't classify most of them as anything beyond "that guy i met at <blank> con", or "that chick i used to know back in HS"
13:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah I occasionally get crap from people for ignoring their friend request, but I reserve those for people who I'd call my friends, not mere acquaintences
13:58 <@Mirage> The only reason I'm even on facebook is because it's what everyone decided to migrate to for keeping in touch and notifying everyone about our HS reunions and gatherings.
13:59 <@Mirage> I only joined LinkedIn because I got tired of everyone asking me about it, then sending me invites.  And the invites are annoying as shit..just like the notifications you constantly get from them even though you have all notifications supposedly disabled.
14:00 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm not really interested in doing LInkedIn at all
14:00 <@Dagmar> I am not a blogging whore.  I have skills and knowledge.
14:01 <@Dagmar> I don't need to so desperately seek out job help that I should prostrate myself in front of a CV snooping engine
14:01 <@Dagmar> The only thing business people need to know about me if they're not paying me is to be afraid.
14:34 < dwhess> If your boss is not cowering in the corner at the end of the day, you have failed as a worker.
14:35 <@Dagmar> Note the "if they're not paying me".
14:35 <@Dagmar> Stealing my irreplaceable time is a massive no-no.
14:35 <@Dagmar> Paying for my time is another matter entirely
14:36 <@Dagmar> It's a thing I encourage
14:42 <@Mirage> Hrm..final ingredient on the bag of Gummy Life Savers explains why my mouth always feels kinda weird after eating a handful.."Carnauba Wax".
14:42 <@klixa> or maybe its the first ingredient......hfcs
14:43 <@Mirage> My bag is just "Corn Syrup"...not the High-Fructose variety
14:44 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, most gummies don't have any fructose
14:44 <@klixa> same thing...
14:44 <@klixa> sugar from corn
14:44 < dwhess> Yep.  Same thing.
14:44 <@Corydon76-work> No, corn syrup is 100% glucose, unless mutated by bacterial action to fructose
14:45 <@klixa> fine fine
14:45 <@Mirage> there are other kinds of sugars.
14:45 <@klixa> sugar
14:45 < dwhess> I've never seen just corn syrup sold.  Even when it has been called that, it was the processed kind with fructose.
14:45 <@klixa> i hate corn
14:45 < dwhess> I use it in cooking as a substitute for honey.
14:45 <@Dagmar> Kayro
14:45 < dwhess> yup
14:46 <@Corydon76-work> dwhess: Um, you know that corn syrup is sold at the grocery, in the same aisle as the pancake syrup, right?
14:46 <@klixa> dwhess: are you allergic to homey or something?
14:46  * klixa would rather use honey
14:46 < dwhess> Not exactly.  Honey is a migrain trigger, maybe.
14:46 <@klixa> dwhess: ok
14:46 <@Corydon76-work> Corn syrup is used in the home in the production of various candies, as well as the old favorite, pecan pie
14:47 <@klixa> might as well be alled corc syrup pie
14:47 <@klixa> called corn*
14:47 <@Dagmar> Still fuckin' tasty
14:47 <@Corydon76-work> Only if you don't make it with enough pecans
14:48 <@Corydon76-work> I prefer my recipe, which uses twice as many pecans, and the corn-syrup is mainly just used to glue them to the crust
14:48 <@klixa> it still has a lot more of that mushy stuff Corydon76-work
14:48 <@Mirage> My grandma is a big fan of using Sorghum and (black) molassas
14:48 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i typed that before your last comment...maybe yours doesnt have a lot of the mushy stuff
14:48 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: the recipe I use calls for chopping the pecans, so it's more pecans than corn syrup
14:49 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: thats how i would make it if i were making it
14:49 <@Corydon76-work> It's REALLY good
14:49 <@klixa> i dont like to use sugar...like, i have this curry i make...and i use plums to sweeten it
14:49 <@klixa> or rasins
14:49 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: if you're using molasses, then it's shoofly pie
14:49 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: or bananas
14:50 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i use bananas in EVEYRTHIKNG
14:50  * opticron doesn't sweeten his curry
14:50 <@Corydon76-work> bananas are the traditional sweetener in Indian curry
14:50 <@klixa> frappucinos=bana+coffee+ice; choclate pudding =banna+cocoa powder
14:50 <@klixa> ice cream= dfrozen bananas
14:50 <@klixa> i eat like 3+ banans a day
14:50 <@Corydon76-work> opticron: it's mostly used as a topping
14:50 <@Corydon76-work> Plums appear mostly only in chutney
14:51 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i was not aware they are the traditional swettner... i started using rainins cause of a jar of trader joes curry... they were using rasins...
14:51 <@klixa> so i was inspired by that jar
14:51 <@klixa> i never even tasted the stuff in the jar
14:51 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: my great aunt was raised in India
14:51 <@Corydon76-work> and my parents are over there now.  They toured the area where she grew up
14:51 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: when i lived inn Berkely i at at the Krishna temple everyday...thats the only time i have eaten much indian food
14:52 <@klixa> they make a green sauce that i LOVE...its a chutney but i have no idea whats in it
14:52 <@Corydon76-work> Heh, my father posted photos of a Krishna temple yesterday
14:52 <@klixa> i asked, and the guy said almonds...
14:52 <@klixa> it may have had almonds in it..but it had a lot more stuff in it besides that
14:53 <@klixa> its been years...but i would guess it has cucymbers and yogurt in it too
14:53 <@klixa> and then something to make it green
14:53 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: first time i went, i was on percocets...and it was trippy
14:53 <@klixa> some old woman told me to take my shoes off...and i was sitting next to weird blue statues
14:53 <@klixa> then afterwards ate some paneer something or other
14:54 <@klixa> i wasnt even trying to go to the temple, i was just walking down the street half high
15:02 < aestetix> ok so
15:02 < aestetix> The Wii U
15:02 < aestetix> is that basically a video game using "social networking" crap?
15:02 <@Corydon76-work> No, it's basically a video game CONSOLE.
15:03 <@Corydon76-work> and not a very successful one, either, given that they never bothered getting very many developers for the platform
15:05 <@klixa> ios 7 is very girly
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15:07 <@opticron> people apparently get confused by the Wii U and think it's just a tablet controller addon to the Wii
15:07 <@Corydon76-work> I don't have the problem of thinking that it's girly.  I have the problem of thinking they changed the interface for absolutely no fucking reason at all, but just for the sake of changing it.
15:07 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: and it sucks. (ios7)
15:10 <@klixa> i have mixed feelings on ios 7...its kinda cute
15:10 <@klixa> but, th red on white music looks dumb
15:10 <@klixa> red text in general is dumb
15:11 <@Corydon76-work> red text makes sense when you're displaying an error
15:11 < aestetix> There seems to be a trend in general towards black text on a white background
15:11 < aestetix> and lots of space around the text
15:11 < aestetix> it's really, really annoying to me.
15:11 <@Dagmar> I don't like the whitespace but the rest is a matter of freakin' readability
15:11 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: yes, red errors=good thing
15:12 <@Corydon76-work> If you're talking readability, black on white is actually bad.
15:12 <@Dagmar> Even the best screens don't have much margin for needless fancy when you're trying to read them  in broad daylight
15:12 <@Corydon76-work> What you actually want is black on beige or something a bit less in extreme in contrast
15:12 <@Dagmar> Personally, I use white on black.
15:12 < aestetix> What I want is stuff that doesn't look like it was designed for iPhones
15:13 <@klixa> my  irc is white on black
15:13 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: how about stuff designed for Blackberry?
15:13 <@klixa> and the nicks are purple
15:13 < aestetix> My irc is green text on black
15:14 <@Corydon76-work> All you people with your fancy schmancy colors.  Why, in my day, everything was green on black in a monospaced font, and it was enough for us.
15:14 <@opticron> grey on black
15:14 <@opticron> with white for highlights, emphasis, and other things
15:15 <@Corydon76-work> Bold and italics?  Pah!  Those are control codes embedded for use with a dot matrix printer.
15:15 <@Dagmar> grey70.
15:15 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: when i first used irc, thats how it was for me...i used it on a dumb terminal
15:15 <@klixa> frank.mtsu.edu lol
15:15 <@Dagmar> everyone's favorite bitch system
15:16 <@Dagmar> I can remember being very irked at spending a couple hours looking for an exploit to gain root, and then doing a find for suids... two copies of ircII as root (no idea), and three copies of bash suid root
15:17 <@Dagmar> Like "Well.  That was too fuckin' easy."
15:17 <@klixa> i didnt even know html back then....
15:17 <@brimstone> dd everything, then init 0
15:17 <@Dagmar> nope
15:17 <@Dagmar> Fuck up a system and they'll fix it
15:18 <@Dagmar> I didn't keep a root shell around becuase I didn't want anything incriminating
15:18 <@Dagmar> I'd just find a new way to gain root privs each time I needed them
15:19 <@Corydon76-work> Another program set to suid-root that invokes bash in certain situations is a better way to go
15:19 <@Corydon76-work> You essentially can hide the shell in other code.
15:21 <@Corydon76-work> without actually hiding a shell, because you just invoke it with an exec() in those situations (usually a combination of environment and command line flags)
15:22 < aestetix> http://ladiesagainsthumanity.tumblr.com/
15:22 < GateKeeper> Title: Ladies Against Humanity (at ladiesagainsthumanity.tumblr.com)
15:22  * klixa is watching tv...and they just did the classic enlarge a single pixel and get hella details out of it...lol
15:22 <@klixa> aestetix: oh, did anarchival start a club
15:27 <@Evilpig> just got the second sign that I was enjoying life too much.
15:27 <@klixa> Evilpig: ?
15:27 <@Evilpig> the whore just emailed me apologizing even
15:28 <@Corydon76-work> Your ex-wife?
15:28 <@Evilpig> the one and only
15:28 <@Evilpig> first chfuck last week, then her this week... something bad is about to happen
15:28 <@klixa> how is he apologising a sign you were enjoying life too much?
15:28 <@Corydon76-work> Maybe she finally enrolled in AA
15:29 <@klixa> he/s/she
15:29 <@Corydon76-work> and she's into making amends
15:30 <@Corydon76-work> Either that, or she came knocking on your apartment door looking for money, and was astonished that you were gone
15:30 <@Evilpig> I'd like her to be into writing me a check for what she owes me the fucking off
15:30 <@Evilpig> s/the/then
15:33 < dwhess> klixa, there is an oscilloscope I have considered buying just because it has a control marked "enhancement" on it.
15:33 <@anarchival> "holding your boobs as you go up and down stairs"
15:34 <@anarchival> I totes created that.
15:34 <@klixa> that was random dwhess
15:34 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I used to do that, too, when it was cold.
15:34 < dwhess> Bah
15:34 <@brimstone> was?
15:34 <@brimstone> did you not go outside today Corydon76-work?
15:34 < dwhess> I suppose that was also then.
15:35 <@Corydon76-work> brimstone: Today, no.
15:35 <@anarchival> we have eliminated a reference to 420 pixels in our code because everyone is twelve years old
15:35 <@anarchival> actually that would be a reason to keep it in the program
15:35 <@anarchival> as you were
15:36 <@Corydon76-work> brimstone: If I could avoid ever leaving the house again, I'd give it serious consideration.
15:38 <@Corydon76-work> I'm doing my part to reduce the consumption of fossil fuels (by staying home and running electricity fueled by coal, I know).
15:38 <@klixa> get some solar panels
15:39 <@klixa> i need to figure out a way to make money that lets me stay at home
15:39 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: It's easy.  Become so increasingly offensive that people pay you stay away
15:41 <@Corydon76-work> Of course, this only works if your skills are greatly in demand, such that you can work and simultaneously stay away from them.
15:41 <@klixa> yeah...thats not me
15:41 <@klixa> :/
15:42 <@klixa> need to decide what state to be in permenantly too
15:42 <@Corydon76-work> I suggest the state of inebriation
15:42 <@klixa> i havent been to that one in almsot 2 years
15:43 <@klixa> i havent even had a cigarette in over a year
15:43  * klixa draws X-es on her hands
15:43 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I wouldn't suggest cigarettes.  Those just shorten your life and prevent you from irritating people.
15:44 <@klixa> yeah, im donw with them
15:44 <@klixa> i woudlnt mind drinking ...right now... life has sucked lately
15:46 <@Corydon76-work> Don't drink because life sucks.  That just puts you into a nasty cycle.  Drink because it makes you impossible to be around.
15:46 <@Dagmar> heh
15:47 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: you dont like people much, do you? lol
15:47 <@Bahhumbug> clear
15:47 <@Bahhumbug> meh
15:48 <@klixa> life doesnt suck..i misspoke...some things in it suck
15:49 <@Corydon76-work> People in general suck.  Some people are exceptions to the rule.
15:49 <@klixa> if pot didnt make me anxious, id get high
15:49 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i like people
15:49 <@klixa> and dont think they suck
15:49 <@klixa> except anarchival... shes mean and makes me cry
15:51 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: If I had the money, I'd build a compound in the woods, with walls that say "Go away"
15:52 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i'd have people over all the time
15:52 <@klixa> i haet being alone
15:52 <@Corydon76-work> and "Abandon all hope ye who enter here"
15:52 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I'm not alone.  I have a boyfriend.
15:53 <@Corydon76-work> That's plenty.
15:53 <@klixa> thats just one person tho
15:53 <@klixa> i like noise and people
15:54 <@Corydon76-work> I like intelligent conversation.
15:54 <@Corydon76-work> People in general are not capable of such.
15:54 <@klixa> depends on the people
15:54 <@anarchival> klixa: Drink some vodka. You'll like me better.
15:54 <@Corydon76-work> Like I said, there are exceptions to the rule
15:55 <@klixa> anarchival: i dont dislike you...i just like messing with you
15:55 <@klixa> i do think you are insane tho
15:56 <@Corydon76-work> It's insane to be considered sane in an insane world
15:56 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: yeah, well that doesnt apply to her
15:56 <@klixa> she's absolutely insane, not relatively insane
15:56 <@anarchival> I prefer the term "outlier."
15:57 <@Corydon76-work> No, she's not.  She's a little neurotic, but we all are.
15:57 <@anarchival> I also accept INTJ.
15:57 <@klixa> anarchival: you are not an intj
15:57 <@klixa> you arent logical enough
15:57 <@Dagmar> Ha!
15:57 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: Not that you want my 2 cents, but maybe she is finally growing up and realizing what her parents and everyone else already knew :/
15:57 <@anarchival> I'm remarkably sane considering my life experience.
15:57 <@Dagmar> s/i/e/
15:57 <@Dagmar> Maybe
15:58 <@klixa> and an df
15:58 <@klixa> an*
15:58 <@klixa> shes no t
15:58 <@anarchival> klixa: I didn't realize you were a trained psychologist. You sure do hand out evaluations like one.
15:58 <@klixa> anarchival: i watched you accuse evilpig of treating you like a stripper leaving out where you mentioned considering being a stripper and him obviously joking with you... thats an emotional appeal...ergo you are f not t
15:59 <@benthemeek> I think its interesting that myself as well as most of friends are INTJ.
16:00 <@benthemeek> But then I wonder about the validity of such test and the ability to try and measure what is most likely a sliding scale vs fixed character traits...
16:00 <@klixa> im an ENTP
16:00 <@Corydon76-work> I took the Biggs-Myers test, and at the end it said, "we have no classification for you.  You're just insane."
16:00 <@anarchival> klixa: http://www.skepticalraptor.com/logicalfallacy_files/False_Equivalence.html
16:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Logical Fallacies (at www.skepticalraptor.com)
16:00 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work++
16:00 <@anarchival> benthemeek: personality tests are total bullshit, but as psychologist go I like Jung.
16:01 <@klixa> anarchival: ever read any Herman Hesse?
16:01 <@klixa> the book Demian was inspired by one of his psychoanalytical sessions with Jung
16:01 <@benthemeek> anarchival: Me too. I got into NVC and active listening a while back and they supposedly take their queues from him
16:01 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: would you believe that I took the Star Wars character quiz and got "The Emperor"?
16:01 <@anarchival> klixa: Yes. I like Colin Wilson better, though.
16:01 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: For you, I could believe anything.
16:01 <@klixa> anarchival: never read (or heard of him)...but I have read everything by Hesse
16:02 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: would you believe I got Jar-Jar Binks?  :D
16:02  * klixa wonders what star wars character she would be
16:02 <@anarchival> I remember getting Luke Skywalker on one of those are doing a little happy dance.
16:02 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: The caveat being I think you intelligent enough to answer the questions to get whatever character you want. Noone said you had to be honest.
16:02 <@klixa> i took the Disney villian quiz, and it said i was Jafar
16:03  * anarchival has had a crush on Luke Skywalker since she was a little girl.
16:03 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: I was being honest when I got "The Emperor"
16:03 <@anarchival> s/are/and
16:03 <@klixa> my first crush was david bowie in labyrinth
16:03 <@anarchival> klixa: Gross.
16:03 <@brimstone> super gross
16:03 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: you know Mark Hamill was the villain during last season's Criminal Minds, right?
16:04 <@brimstone> spoilers!
16:04 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, right.  Spoiler alert!
16:05 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: I just got picard... yes I broke the test that much that it crossed universes..
16:05 <@Corydon76-work> Given that he didn't act in anything until the last show of the season, I'm fairly sure that's a non-spoiler
16:05 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Cool! I might have to watch that. I don't usually watch crime and law-related shows because I worked in it for so long all the shit they get wrong drives me nuts.
16:06 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I love that CSI had the MythBusters on, after they busted several of their plotlines
16:06 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: CSI is *horrible.* I just end up yelling and throwing things at the television.
16:07 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: Did you see that video the gate's foundation released with them in it today?
16:07 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: you know that CSI's fact checker also appears on the show, right?
16:07 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: link?
16:07 <@benthemeek> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRHPxNmO2w
16:07 < GateKeeper> Title: Bill & Melinda Gates Bust Global Poverty Myths #StopTheMyth - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:07 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: They need to do something to let people know how terrible their writing is; I know attorneys who actually have to walk juries back from what they're "learned" on CSI.
16:07 <@Corydon76-work> CSI's assistant medical examiner is the show's actual fact checker
16:08 <@anarchival> s/they're/they've
16:08 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: yeah, I know they take various liberties while writing fiction
16:09 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: so if I ever get called to Jury Duty, I should mention that I have a voracious appetite for crime-dramas, right?
16:11 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Can't hurt. Just don't say anything that isn't true.
16:11 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Actually, I'd rather you serve on a jury.
16:11 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: It's the idiots we need to guard against.
16:11 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Then again, I'm more inclined towards defense.
16:12 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I'm naturally inclined against the prosecution, because of all the absolute crap I've heard that cops perpetrate on innocent people
16:14 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I've worked on both sides. I did far, far more shady shit for the DA than I ever had to do on any defense case.
16:14 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: The DA actually hired me because I could hack. He used to tell me to get him shit, but don't tell him how I got it.
16:18 <@Corydon76-work> So on a completely different subject, I have some new (to me) hardware from 2001, where it requires that I use SSL.  Unfortunately, all of the ciphers that it knows about are all ciphers that Chrome refuses to work with.
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16:29 <@oddball> Speaking of Chrome: http://gizmodo.com/google-chrome-has-a-bug-that-could-let-anyone-eavesdrop-1506483705?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
17:19 <@Catonic> lovely. my email is broken. and will be for a bit.
17:24 <@Dickie> Bonus: no one can contact you
17:24 <@klixa> hmm...maybe my email is broke...cause no one ever contacts me :/
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17:30 <@Shadow404> what i saw today: https://twitter.com/shadow404/status/426108569876836353/photo/1
17:30 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / shadow404: What i saw today. ... (at twitter.com)
17:31 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: What's your email address?  I'll sign you up for a couple lists...
17:32 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: oh, i get *that* kinda email
17:32 <@Corydon76-work> In fact, if you post your email in the channel, I'm sure anarchival will sign you up to a couple of lists, also
17:33 <@klixa> hehe
17:33 <@klixa> anarchival is in love with me...she just doesn't know it yet
17:35 <@Corydon76-work> I'm sure your bf wouldn't mind being in THAT 3way
17:36 <@klixa> depends on what she looks like
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17:36 <@klixa> im trying to upgrade/replace the boyfriend
17:36 <@klixa> im not into ...this stuff he is now into
17:37 <@Corydon76-work> What, S&M?
17:38 <@klixa> no... multiple partner stuff
17:38 <@Corydon76-work> Is he into only 2 other girls, or guys, too?
17:39 <@benthemeek> klixa: monogamy vs polyamoury?
17:39 <@klixa> he and i are... i dunno... we're together but not together...we broke up for awhile... then after baby was born decided to work things out and then he cheated on me with 3 women in 1 week
17:39 <@klixa> then he says he MUST have other girls...all the time
17:39 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, he's just a cad, then
17:39  * benthemeek nods
17:40 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: hes not into guys...but he wants to watch  me wiht other guys o-O
17:40 <@Corydon76-work> Polyamory can work, but it takes communication and working on the relationship
17:40 <@klixa> im not into ANY of that stuff
17:40 <@Corydon76-work> You can't just go and sleep with other people and just expect your partner to be okay with it
17:40 <@klixa> i had a bf while he and i were broken up and didnt even have sex with the guy...thats how much of a prude i am
17:41 <@Corydon76-work> What do you count as sex?
17:41 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i had no kind of sex with him..i was pregnant...taht was my real reason for not doing anything
17:41 <@benthemeek> The term is high parental investment I believe. biologically women have a much higher cost when it comes to sex than men
17:42 <@Dickie> omg
17:43 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: anyway.... we are together but we arent...hes looking on sex sites all the time for girls and ...well i will live wiht him so i dont jave to put our baby in daycare, but thats about it
17:43 <@Dickie> Kudos on snagging a boyfriend while preggers
17:43 <@klixa> Dickie: lol
17:44 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: my point was that there are other things you can do for sexual arousal that don't involve vaginal penetration
17:44 <@Dickie> Pfffffffft
17:44 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: fyi, vaginal penetration is not that arousing
17:45 <@Corydon76-work> Or even just penile-vaginal penetration
17:45 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: that depends upon the person
17:45 <@Dickie> Missionary for the purpose of reproduction or gtfo
17:46 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I'm aware that most of the pleasure women derive from sex tends to be closer to the surface
17:46 <@klixa> ok
17:47 <@Corydon76-work> Manual stimulation (hands) isn't always considered sex, which is why I asked
17:47 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: our relationship was emotional not physical
17:47 <@klixa> due to me being pregnant and still living with ex
17:48 <@Dagmar> Soooo wrong http://www.dorkly.com/embed/58555/disneys-frozen-gets-better-with-unnecessary-censorship
17:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Disney's Frozen Gets Better with Unnecessary Censorship - Dorkly Video (at www.dorkly.com)
17:48 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar:  Do you want to *bleep* a snowman?
17:49 <@Dagmar> Oh it gets better
17:49 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, I know
17:49 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: you have this way of making me say way more than i intended to say :|
17:49 <@Corydon76-work> I watched it earlier today.  I debated posting it to the page of a guy who works at Disney World
17:50 <@Corydon76-work> but he's one of those guys who fully embodies everything that Disney is about, and he would not be happy about that.
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18:21 <@klixa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1JDz6o_t4
18:21 < GateKeeper> Title: One way street- Mark Lanegan - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:21 <@klixa> hey RangerZ
18:21 < RangerZ> yo
18:22 <@klixa> anarchival: you have inspired me wiht your link... your ogical fallacy one
18:22  * klixa wants to make an illistrated list of the logical fallacies...and draw/paint pictures and stuffs
18:25  * RangerZ is really glad that I got out of having to make this little app for the music city center
18:26 < RangerZ> something about self-guided tours... or something, lol
18:26 <@anarchival> klixa: http://www.amazon.com/The-Logic-Alice-Thinking-Wonderland/dp/159102675X
18:27 <@anarchival> RangerZ: That sounds like a cool app. Why don't you want to do
18:27 <@anarchival> it.
18:29 < RangerZ> I'm in a class for vandy in adv. software engineering projects , and its one of the projects, I'm already having to work on the RESTful server for the MOOCs that vandy is holding , so I was able to get that to be my project, plus they have to hold a bunch of stakeholder meetings and other stuff, that would eat up time
18:30 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Groovy.
18:31 < RangerZ> plus once we get the mooc rest server up and running, i can templatize it, and throw it in my code generator , and never have to worry about the implementation of additional REST APIs
18:32 < RangerZ> the slightly tricky part will be handling version updates of the API standard, but 'ehh' thats always trouble
18:33 <@anarchival> RangerZ: That is interesting. How are you writing your code generator?
18:33 < RangerZ> its in java
18:33 <@Dagmar> All APIs should be ANGRY.
18:33 <@Dagmar> RESTfulness just encourages the lazy.
18:33 < RangerZ> it already writes full android applications, based on a contract file of models
18:34 < RangerZ> Dagmar: no no no, all servers should run windows, so that lazy unix admins learn a real OS
18:34 < RangerZ> -_
18:34 < RangerZ> -_-*
18:34 < RangerZ> lol
18:34 < RangerZ> I heard 'basically' that at a MS event I was at in cleveland once
18:35 < RangerZ> ~2005 ish
18:35 <@eryc> i watched the first lectures for the android class
18:35 <@eryc> going to work on the lab soon
18:35 < RangerZ> thats cool
18:35 <@eryc> however, i have one complaint which is the periodic questions
18:35 <@eryc> the answers were wrong in like 1/4 of them
18:36 < RangerZ> dunno, i haven't looked at it yet
18:36 <@eryc> well, specifically the ones comparing android to linux
18:36 <@eryc> but overall its pretty good so far
18:36 < RangerZ> i'd have to look at the questions
18:36 <@eryc> good pace at 2x speed
18:37 < RangerZ> they might be looking at things differently than you
18:37 <@eryc> i enjoyed the dalvik internals talk that was recommended
18:37 <@eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptjedOZEXPM
18:37 < GateKeeper> Title: Google I/O 2008 - Dalvik Virtual Machine Internals - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:38 < RangerZ> ahh
18:38 < RangerZ> yeah dalvik is really impressive
18:40 < RangerZ> the zygote idea in particular , is really nice (is what leads to the slow boot up, but fast app launches)
18:40 < RangerZ> don't know how deep it goes into that in that talk though
18:44 < RangerZ> eryc: the 'binder' is super important to understand, but I don't know how much adam is covering of that, but doug's class will cover it a LOT
18:47 < RangerZ> aestetix: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/01/22/2126242/protesters-show-up-at-the-doorstep-of-google-self-driving-car-engineer wtf is wrong with you all out there
18:47 < GateKeeper> Title: Protesters Show Up At the Doorstep of Google Self-driving Car Engineer - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org)
18:52 < RangerZ> ahh ok, this talk talks about it
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18:53 <@NotLarry> ok, job interview postponed
18:54 < RangerZ> ?
18:55 < RangerZ> NotLarry: that a 'good' thing?
18:57 <@eryc> RangerZ: yea aestetix posted another link on that debacle earlier
18:57 <@eryc> no clue what 'binder' is
18:58 <@eryc> but yea the zygote idea is smart
18:58 < RangerZ> its how android does IPC
18:58 <@eryc> i see
18:58 <@eryc> so is that based on unix sockets?
18:58 < RangerZ> allows the two apps to access the same shared memory
18:58 <@eryc> oh
18:58 <@eryc> right ipc
18:59 <@anarchival> eryc: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/slides/2011/abs/abs2011_yaghmour_internals.pdf
18:59 <@eryc> cool i'll read this now
19:00 < RangerZ> doug's course is going to talk a _lot_ about how the binder works, and how to allow proper IPC
19:01 < RangerZ> b/c even 'in app' comm. is actually IPC most of the time
19:01 < RangerZ> wel...
19:01 < RangerZ> well... "sorta"
19:01 < RangerZ> I[Thread/etc]C
19:02 <@eryc> anarchival: eh, i thought this was a paper but its slides
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19:09 <@klixa> RangerZ: i checked out that android thing you mentioned... they want $, wth, lol
19:09 < RangerZ> klixa: huh?
19:10 <@anarchival> klixa: You can take the classes for free, it's just the certificate that costs money.
19:10 < RangerZ> ohh, yeah
19:11 < RangerZ> the cert is 50$, but you don't "need" the cert
19:11 <@klixa> anarchival: thats what i thought too... maybe i missed something
19:11 <@klixa> anarchival: cayse i know all the others are like that
19:11 <@klixa> but this was part of some series or soemthing...but, i have post pregnanuy retard brain, plsu i already had adhd
19:12 < RangerZ> and a spelling issue
19:12 < RangerZ> ;)
19:13 <@klixa> no..i spell just fine...i cant type :/
19:13 < RangerZ> but yeah, its free, just sign up, you can just skip the cert part
19:13 <@klixa> ssh, dont tell anyone
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19:16 <@NotLarry> RangerZ: I guess so.  It means something happened and the people scheduled to interview me were not available.
19:16 <@NotLarry> Doing it tomorrow, same time
19:17 < RangerZ> ahh
19:17 < RangerZ> at least they didn't just cancel
19:19 <@dasunt> Great.
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19:25 < RangerZ> http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/21/5331614/monster-monpiece-na-european-release-to-tone-down-sexual-nature
19:26 < RangerZ> why would they say it has a strong sexual nature, when all you do is turn the vita longways up and down, then grip the front and back touchscreen/pad and move your hand up and down fast, to super charge the monsters
19:26 <@dasunt> Dear God, why are GPOs and imaging fucking rocket science?
19:26 < RangerZ> then touche the monster girls' on screen, to give them bonsues for how you touch them
19:27 < RangerZ> lol
19:27 < RangerZ> dasunt: because if they let you know how simple it really was, they couldn't charge as much, so they hire morons
19:28 <@dasunt> RangerZ: I guess.
19:28 < RangerZ> dasunt: what are you trying to get printed?
19:28 <@dasunt> TIL:  To setup admins on workstations, you manually add each account to the local administrator's group on the desktop when you set them up.
19:28  * dasunt may cry.
19:30 <@dasunt> I watched the first episode of Sherlock Season 3.
19:31 <@dasunt> There's a scene where Mycroft and Sherlock were discussing their childhood, and how Sherlock thought he was an idiot (compared to Mycroft) until they met other children.
19:31 <@dasunt> This is my IT career.
19:32 < RangerZ> dasunt: me and my research/project partner were talking about that today
19:32 < RangerZ> we both don't think we're good programmers... b/c we see our professors, and others we know, who do nothing but code all day , so we start to undersell ourselves
19:32 < RangerZ> then we see undergrads get hired into places like amazon and apple
19:32 < RangerZ> who we KNOW are crap programmers
19:33 < RangerZ> apparently is a well documented 'thing' with people who are at high end places, that they start to undersell themselves, until they see how the rest of the idiots are
19:36 <@dasunt> Yep.
19:36 <@dasunt> I had to manually remove default manufacturer software from the image.
19:36 <@dasunt> This is the norm.
19:36 <@dasunt> Imaging?  What is imaging?
19:37 < RangerZ> dasunt: i had an ex who got an intern job working 'up stairs' (my undergrad had the servers/etc above the CS dept)
19:37 < RangerZ> she was only just starting to take what is basically CS 101, "this is a computer, a mouse, office, etc"
19:38 < RangerZ> and she deleted the entire school's XP restore image
19:39 < RangerZ> they wanted her to copy it and learn how to write a new app to it... she over wrote it... and it was borked
19:39 < RangerZ> my friend was the guy who was suppose to be mentoring her, and who had to redo the image
19:39 < RangerZ> i laughed so hard at him, b/c she had no right to even be attempting that
19:40 < RangerZ> apparently someone in the student worker's dept. thought she was a CSIS masters student
19:41 < RangerZ> and she was so scared of the entire situation, she just nodded and said 'ok'
19:41 < RangerZ> lol
19:42 < RangerZ> eryc: i realized a few days before the android mooc course went live...
19:43 < RangerZ> hmm... my name is going to be in this source code's copyright/etc ... I should probably remove the code, and the two code generators from my _public_ github account
19:44 <@dasunt> Nodding and saying OK would explain so much about how IT is done.
19:45 < RangerZ> honestly, i _knew_ i didn't know enough about, thats why I didn't apply
19:46 < RangerZ> and even now, I can fuddle my way through admining a unix machine, but windows is still a thing i try to avoid like the plague
19:50 <@dasunt> You should admin windows.
19:52 < RangerZ> why? because I'd atleast know my limitations? and that would be better than most of the other IT you work/interact with?
19:52 < RangerZ> lol
19:53 <@dasunt> Yep.
19:53 <@dasunt> Okay, anyways, I'm a hater.
19:55 < RangerZ> thats alright
20:04 <@dasunt> If I get a RHCE, how quickly do you think I'd find a job?
20:07 < RangerZ> could you get the cert 'soon' ?
20:10 <@dasunt> I'd have to check a timeframe.
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20:55 < aestetix> penis
20:56 < RangerZ> aestetix: i posted earlier
20:56 < RangerZ> wtf @ you bay people
20:56 < RangerZ> protesting the google engineer's house
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21:11 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: You forget.  California is a wholly owned subsidary of Google, therefore Google is automatically responsible for everything that goes wrong, everywhere.
21:11 < RangerZ> ahh
21:11 < RangerZ> thats right
21:11 < RangerZ> woe is me
21:11 < RangerZ> always forgetful about that
21:12 <@Dagmar> of course at least Google won't have the FBI delare you a possible terrorist
21:12  * Dagmar looks at Bank of America
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21:19 <@oddball> well... not directly...
21:29 <@SuMo_D> any of you guys worked with fiber optics before?
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21:46 <@Dagmar> mool-ti mode?
21:52 <@SuMo_D> so... I guess that's a no?
21:56 <@Dagmar> I've plugged it in.
21:56 <@Dagmar> I managed to do so without licking it.
21:57 <@Dagmar> THere's a lot _to_ fiber.
21:57 <@Dagmar> What kind of stuff are you looking for?
21:57 <@Dagmar> Using the little machine to polish custom-terminated ends and testing them is a discipline unto itself
21:58 < RangerZ> i have a friend who wrote microcode for optical routers... or repeaters... or something
22:02 <@northrup> SuMo_D: What are you looking for?
22:03 <@SuMo_D> well I showed my client this new design to light some stuff up using diffuser acrylic, and they really really liked it... but I used LEDs and they were like, hmmm... what about fiber optics to create a smoother light
22:04 <@SuMo_D> I said I thought it'd be kinda pricey and not sure if it would do what we wanted, but I'd look into it... but yeah... not even sure where to start with it
22:05 <@northrup> SuMo_D: it depends on what look you're going for, generally (as ya do with fiber and light) you can't really 'see' the light in the glas until the end where it comes out because you've broke the plane
22:05 <@northrup> SuMo_D: was it that the LED's were TOO bright for them (more diffuson needed?)
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22:06 <@SuMo_D> right, that's why I didn't think it would work
22:06 <@SuMo_D> no, we need bright as possible... just looking for different options,
22:06 <@SuMo_D> I have a different diffuser acrylic that would smooth out the bright spots, but still building that one... I think he just wanted to say LETS TRY FIBER
22:06 <@SuMo_D> cause yeah... its awesome... in its way... just maybe not for this
22:06 <@northrup> SuMo_D: I mean I've seen neat things / and done neat things with LED's and fiber optics: star walls, sewn in optical line in costumes
22:07 <@SuMo_D> you have any links north up?
22:07 <@SuMo_D> I was looking at a really cool chandelier on instruct able
22:07 <@SuMo_D> ss
22:07 <@SuMo_D> instructables
22:07 <@northrup> SuMo_D: not off the top of my head, that was a while ago when I thought I could make a living in the arts
22:07 <@northrup> LOL
22:07 <@SuMo_D> :)
22:07 < RangerZ> northrup: hahaha
22:08 <@SuMo_D> it is possible!!!!!!
22:08 <@SuMo_D> <<< proof
22:08 <@northrup> SuMo_D: And my hat is off to you!
22:08 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: no, you are making tech look like art
22:08 <@SuMo_D> but yeah... its HARD
22:08 < RangerZ> don't sell yourself short and call yourself artsy
22:08 <@northrup> RangerZ: That's what I was doing, technical theater
22:08  * SuMo_D kicks RangerZ in the shins
22:08 < RangerZ> northrup: I was a pro stagehand also
22:08 <@northrup> you just have to hump shit from point a to point b a LOT and put in your dues...
22:09 < RangerZ> and a friend of mine does custom lighting jobs for mansions, etc still
22:09 <@northrup> then I decided that audio engineering was my thing, and got a great name at that... then to make the money you've got to tour...
22:09 < RangerZ> yeah
22:09 <@northrup> ... and that's when the (now ex) wife came in, and put the end to that.
22:09 <@northrup> LOL
22:09 < RangerZ> hehe
22:09 <@northrup> heh
22:09 <@SuMo_D> yeah, performance arts are a lot....
22:10 < RangerZ> most stable "performing arts" job = stripper
22:10 < RangerZ> hehe
22:10  * SuMo_D kicks RangerZ harder
22:11 <@SuMo_D> ;)
22:11 < RangerZ> as long as I don't have to pay like Shadow404 does ;)
22:12 <@northrup> SuMo_D: I saw a REALLY cool concrete countertop that had fiber optic embdeed in it
22:12 <@SuMo_D> the client wanted to try flouro backlights too... but I kinda want to steer them towards LED....
22:12 <@SuMo_D> oh that would be awesome!
22:12 < RangerZ> but anyways, time to go do some coding work :/
22:13 <@northrup> flouro backlights can be cool, but man it's a lot of work to make them look right and diffuse properly.
22:14 <@SuMo_D> yeah, he wants to build it into a table top
22:14 <@SuMo_D> I think the power issues would be a pain
22:14 <@northrup> the big moon in the stage musical Mama Mia is a high quality print backlit by dimmable, diffused flouro lights that have color temp corrected film on them.
22:14 <@SuMo_D> its so much easier just to work with led strips
22:15 <@SuMo_D> that's so awesome!
22:15 <@northrup> SuMo_D: well that and the failure rate / replacement time between LED and flouro is WAY different
22:15 <@SuMo_D> yeah... stage stuff is no joke
22:15 <@SuMo_D> the amount of money and time they put into it... o_O
22:17 <@anarchival> northrup: Dammit. I just got your message. I'm sorry. :(
22:18 <@anarchival> northrup: This week is crazy busy. I'm actually *working.* In an *office.* During *business hours.*
22:18  * anarchival anarchival shivers at the thought.
22:18 <@northrup> anarchival: GASP!
22:19  * anarchival refers to herself in the third person when she's tired, or feeling royal.
22:21 <@northrup> speaking of royal, I'm off on Saturday morning for the UK
22:21 <@anarchival> northrup: ?!??!!
22:22 <@anarchival> northrup: Fine, then. FINE. Fiiiiiine. Go to England without me. See if I care...
22:22 < aestetix> god I hate the US
22:22 <@northrup> The England is the sexy part... for the first week, then I have to go to our offices in Poland for a week
22:22 < aestetix> why is our health care system so broken
22:23 <@anarchival> northrup: Poland is pretty, too, in its own way. Then again it's the middle of winter. Godspeed.
22:23 <@northrup> well, Poland isn't so bad either... LOL.. they have crazy heath care their too..
22:24 <@northrup> in Poland, when you get pregnant - you are reduced to 5 hour days and the other 3 hours are subsidised
22:24 < heath> i don't cost that much
22:24 <@anarchival> northrup: But seriously, I resent you and am filled with terrible jealousy towards you right now. Were you seriously planning on telling me this in person? Seems risky.
22:24 <@northrup> and when you have your child.. you are allowed to take up to 4 YEARS off to raise your child, funded by the state, until your child starts pre-school.
22:25 <@northrup> and at the end of the four years, your empployer has to have held your job for you.
22:25 <@anarchival> northrup: Well at the rate I've observed Pollacks reproducing, I can understand why pregnant women are such a powerful lobby.
22:25 <@northrup> HA!
22:25 <@anarchival> northrup: Actually that doesn't make any sense at all. Why invest that much in any one Polish child? They'll just make more.
22:26 <@northrup> anarchival: Right?!
22:27 <@northrup> anarchival: I dropped the hints last time in person, that I was going out of town and couldn't take the ham exam on the 26th...
22:27 <@SuMo_D> northup where in Poland?
22:27 <@northrup> anarchival: I just didn't say that "out of town" = UK
22:27 < heath> mmmm, icosahedrons
22:28 <@SuMo_D> Krakow is one of my favoritest places
22:28 <@anarchival> northrup: You said you had to work. You didn't say, "I'm going to Europe for a fortnight then, cya wouldn't want to be ya!"
22:28 <@northrup> SuMo_D: Katowice is where we're going, but I'm going to spend a day in Krakow
22:28 <@SuMo_D> Sweet!!
22:28 <@SuMo_D> Go check out the hacker space/group and say hi to my friend Adam :D
22:28 <@anarchival> But I do hope I'll see you after you get back.
22:29 <@anarchival> A present is optional, but advisable.
22:29 <@SuMo_D> and see the dragon that breaths fire and the dragon cave :)
22:29 <@anarchival> SuMo_D: Speaking of fiber optics, this is my cat 'o five tails: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/lufa1fqh8irs8li/L7WbQmnsFh
22:29 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - Wednesday, Jan 22 (at www.dropbox.com)
22:29 <@anarchival> SuMo_D: It used to light up, of course. The battery is dead at the moment.
22:30 <@SuMo_D> cool
22:30 <@northrup> sweet jebus, it's nerd bondage!
22:31 <@anarchival> northrup: I dressed up as Internet Girl for CSIcon. I wore my black leather bodice. If you're lucky, I'll show you a picture of that, too.
22:32 <@anarchival> northrup: P.S. Internet Girl slays trolls with her cat 'o five tails.
22:33 <@northrup> ... but what hapens when the trolls start to like it?
22:33 <@anarchival> northrup: They are consumed with fire, and eaten.
22:34 < aestetix> The US health care system is like.... if you had a long tree of logical branches, and you made the wrong decision at every possible place.
22:35 <@sdodson> What's the last significant advance in medicine that came from somewhere other than the US?
22:35 <@anarchival> northrup: Internet Girl is actually a reference to a stupid thing Aaron Sorkin said to an interviewer.
22:35 <@northrup> Aaron Sorkin... be still my fanboy heart
22:35 <@SuMo_D> aestetix.... YEP
22:35 <@anarchival> northrup: Sports Night or West Wing>
22:35 <@SuMo_D> its a miracle I'm alive :D
22:35 < aestetix> sorry for ranting
22:36 < aestetix> it's just... unbelievable
22:36 <@SuMo_D> nah... I think we've all been there
22:37 <@northrup> anarchival: I think I've seen every episode of every thing that he has created...
22:37 <@northrup> anarchival: including Studio 60 On the Sunset Strip
22:37 <@northrup> LOL
22:37 <@anarchival> northrup: I liked Studio 60. He lost me after The Newsroom, though.
22:38 <@northrup> anarchival: ok, I haven't seen any of season 2 of the newsroom.
22:38 <@anarchival> northrup: I liked Sports Night, though. West Wing is still one of the favorite shows, ever.
22:38 <@anarchival> s/the/my
22:39 <@anarchival> northrup: Basically Chenowith broke his heart and now all women are evil and terrible and possess no redeeming qualities and should be punished.
22:40 <@northrup> anarchival: Ugh :-/ that's kind of bleak... maybe I'll hold off on Season 2 until I'm in a mood to watch that.
22:40 <@anarchival> northrup: I mean, Sorkin was never particularly feminist and that was okay, but The Newsroom was basically a cry for help.
22:41 <@anarchival> Write the pain away, Sorkin. Write the pain away.
22:41 <@klixa> anarchival: i wanna see you dressed up as internet girl...
22:42 <@northrup> klixa: whoa, whoa, whoa... no line cutting... I'm waiting on that one
22:42 <@klixa> northrup: its ok, i will look at you dresses as internet girl too
22:42 <@klixa> dressed*
22:43 <@northrup> I'm comfortable with my identity... I can rock some high heels when called upon
22:43 <@klixa> awesome
22:43  * anarchival is looking for a drawing of The Magdalena, who she hopes will be her next cosplay.
22:44 <@anarchival> YU SO SLOW, INTERNET?
22:44 <@northrup> this would be me, loosing a bet and dressed as a pirate wench: https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/387116_4078278272017_1231586490_n.jpg
22:46 <@klixa> northrup: which one is you
22:46 <@northrup> klixa: that bearded dude in the red getup with 4 inch heels on
22:46 <@klixa> northrup: you're hawt ;)
22:46  * klixa tries to laugh inaudibly
22:46 <@anarchival> northrup: Nice! The last time I had to dress up after losing a bet, it was to try out for the cheerleading squad.
22:47 <@klixa> so the last time you had to dress up was like 20 years ago?
22:47 <@anarchival> northrup: Did you get your outfit from Pyramid Collection?
22:47 <@northrup> klixa: it's ok - you can laugh, loudly... life's to short for hangups.. I wore this getup to the 'Tap-N-Run' race in Nashville, with lots of people
22:48 <@klixa> northrup: i actually think its cool..if i were a man i would sooo do that
22:48 <@klixa> northrup: w/o having to lose a bet
22:49 <@anarchival> northrup: you look pretty confident in those heels, actually.
22:49 <@northrup> Running for beer makes good sports of everyone https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/376177_4078294432421_1979422367_n.jpg
22:51 <@klixa> anarchival: ok your turn..pic pic pic
22:51 <@anarchival> klixa: Nope,
22:51 <@anarchival> klixa: I'm not as a good a sport as John.
22:51 <@northrup> not on a bet, I've also been a member of the Lollipop Guild: https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1/577048_4382251911168_772114840_n.jpg
22:51 <@klixa> i dont think that is it...i think you are a vampire
22:51 <@klixa> and you just dont want us to the camera cnat see you
22:51 <@klixa> us to know*
22:52 <@anarchival> klixa: It's true. I don't show up on film. Blasted digital.
22:52 <@northrup> klixa: You know... I never did check and see if she had a reflection at the bar
22:52 <@klixa> hehe
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22:53 <@anarchival> northrup: I am ghastly pale, aren't I?
22:53 <@northrup> She is a prestine shade of nerd white ;)
22:54 <@klixa> i might be...
22:54 <@anarchival> It's pretty bad when you have to special order the whitest shade of makeup and it's still too dark.
22:54 <@klixa> i just spent the last week in LA tho
22:54 <@klixa> i dont wear makeup
22:54 <@anarchival> The funny thing is, I can get very tan, but I just never go out in the sun.
22:55 <@klixa> i avoid the sun when i can...btu in cali its hard
22:55 <@klixa> and here in texas its sunny all the time too
22:55 <@klixa> sun sun everywhere
22:55 <@anarchival> northrup: Do you like to go fishing?
22:56 <@northrup> anarchival: I enjoy the nature of fishing... and some times the fish catching. So yes.  But I'm not like a "boy let's go down to the fishing spot today" kind of guy, in general
22:56 <@anarchival> northrup: Okay. Just checking.
22:56 <@klixa> i think fishing is cruel
22:57 <@klixa> unless you kill/eat the fish
22:57 <@anarchival> klixa: lol
22:57 <@anarchival> I feel the same way about hunting humans. It's only humane if you end their lives and consume their flesh.
22:57 <@anarchival> To Catch a Predator
22:57 <@northrup> klixa: that's my general rule... I'm not really a fish person, so unless I know that someone is going to eat it or you're using small hooks and release it
22:58 <@northrup> klixa: I'm the same way with guns and hunting though... I'm an excellent shot, and love long range shooting, I just generally kill paper targets.
22:59 <@klixa> i think as long as the animal is getting eaten...its fine to kill them... but i dont understand the idea of doing it for the hell of it
22:59 <@anarchival> I used to go fishing a lot with my grandparents when I was little. We always ate what we caught. I probably haven't had any crappie since I was twelve.
22:59 <@klixa> to cause pain, death, etc just because
23:00 <@anarchival> I don't really understand fishing for the sake of fishing. Hunting for the sake of hunting might be wasteful, but I can wrap my mind around it. Fish? That's just weird.
23:00 <@anarchival> Might as well just sit out on the boat and drink and not waste the bait money.
23:00 <@klixa> anarchival: any activity can be turned into a competition/sport is why...but yeah a fish coming to you requires less skill than hitting a target
23:02 <@anarchival> klixa: I wouldn't say that. I've fished and hunted and done a great deal of target shooting, and finding and catching a fish is much more difficult than what passes for hunting these days.
23:02 <@klixa> i will take your word for it...cause when i am out in nature i take pictures
23:03 <@klixa> thats it
23:03 <@anarchival> klixa: Most hunters are taken out by guides to fenced-in preserves where the game are hearded right in front of you and you fire at them with bloody shotguns.
23:03 <@klixa> i have never hunted, fished, etc
23:03 <@anarchival> Remember Cheney shooting his friend in the face? Exactly.
23:07 <@northrup> anarchival: Heh... shot him in the face, and then HE apologized to Cheney
23:07 <@Dickie> Ruined the shot
23:09 <@anarchival> northrup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ene75RM3w
23:09 < GateKeeper> Title: Hunting - Lewis Black - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:11 <@northrup> You don't *HUNT* quail
23:11 <@anarchival> northrup: It's only hunting if the animal can eat your feet.
23:15 <@northrup> hahaha... "how do you think it happened?!"
23:17 <@northrup> Gold... This is Gold: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZoaEpjFAA
23:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Where is the President in the space time continuum - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:17 <@northrup> I love Lewis Black
23:19 <@anarchival> northrup: He'll be at the Ryman on Feb. 8th. But you'll be in...Poland?
23:19 <@northrup> anarchival: sadly... ((sniffle)) yes
23:20 <@anarchival> northrup: Nope. Still jealous.
23:20 <@anarchival> northrup: The pirate wench costume did cheer me up a bit, though, thank you for that.
23:20 <@northrup> :D
23:20 <@northrup> you're welcome
23:20 <@northrup> did you see my lollipop guild one?
23:21 <@anarchival> northrup: Yes. I'm having trouble deciding which I like better.
23:21 <@northrup> LOL
23:21  * anarchival makes some new desktop wallpaper.
23:24  * northrup feels all special
23:26 < aestetix> so anarchival
23:26 < aestetix> are you going to the female founder's conference?
23:28 <@anarchival> aestetix: Not planning on it, although it sounds intriguing.
23:30 <@anarchival> I need to go to sleep. I've got an important meeting in the morning, and then work, and then I'm net control on the SDR show again, and then I need to make a presentation for the Brigade meeting tomorrow night...
23:30 <@anarchival> Goodnight, critters.
23:34 <@northrup> anarchival: Busy, BUSY
23:47 < aestetix> testicle
23:52 < aestetix> man
23:52 < aestetix> some things should be kept in private
23:52 < aestetix> two friends are using twitter to discuss a third friend's suicide
23:52 <@northrup> aestetix: Yo... that's just not cool
23:53 < aestetix> yeah
23:54 < aestetix> it's like.... yo, I get it, something bad happened, I'm sad and all, but I don't want to see gritty details every few minutes
23:54 <@SuMo_D> social media fail....
23:57 < aestetix> yeah basically what has happened
23:57 < aestetix> someone will post something about it... like "I burst into tears on the train"
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23:57 < aestetix> which results in this drama echo chamber for the next hour or two
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