--- Log opened Tue Jan 21 00:00:53 2014
01:05 < RangerZ> eryc: just an FYI, i just checked out adam's android course
01:05 < RangerZ> and it looks to have all the info you'd need to learn from the ground up, plus tons of example code, etc
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01:17 <@eryc> ah very good
01:17 <@eryc> i've done a little android work but nothing extensive
01:25 < RangerZ> i've been going through the code I generated, and making it look human undrestandable
01:25 < RangerZ> lol
01:25 < RangerZ> so that aught to help also
01:26 < RangerZ> but honestly, the key course is going to be doug's if you want really efficient android apps
01:26 < RangerZ> and jule's for cloud stuff
01:27 < RangerZ> but i'm a middleware/frameworks kinda guy, so the UI stuff that is in adam's doesn't interest me as much, but is needed as a starting point, lol
02:53 <@eryc> yea i figure it will be a good refresher/starting point
04:56 <@NotLarry> well fuck
04:56 <@NotLarry> I think I might be selecting the intermediate AI on the taiwan lol server I'm on, but I don't read chinese so I'm not sure.
05:33 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSkvChTSanM the new synopsis video of the mooc courses (starting today)
05:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Synopsis of Our Coursera Specialization on Mobile Cloud Computing with Android - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
05:45 <@Evilpig> I've got a raw disk image.  is it faster to concat space onto that via making a new sparse file and cat'ing them together or use qemu-img resize ?
05:54 < RangerZ> theoretically the resize 'should' be smarter
05:54 < RangerZ> or 'could'
05:54 < RangerZ> depending on exactly how they are doing thing internally
05:56 <@Evilpig> I need to extend my plex meta data volume later.  it's down to 16GB free or so
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06:09 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: The log of the porn I might thoreticly watch on your plex volume is kept where exactly?
06:09 < RangerZ> NotLarry: for you its just  /*.*
06:09 < RangerZ> -r
06:10 <@NotLarry> So, I'm playing on Garena, and in the background I have something off of their audio stations playing, when suddenly it becomes a webcam of some little girl (that could be under 40) giggling and thanking everyone.
06:11 <@NotLarry> RangerZ: I was removing a users directory one night (cause they had been a dick) and after thinking "this is taking a long time" I relized I was in / when in did that rm -rf * thingy...
06:11 < RangerZ> ooooo
06:12 <@NotLarry> Speaking of, I hear they are getting medical marijuana a vote in the Tenn legislature...
06:12 <@NotLarry> Actually reinstalled, patched, and restored userspace from tape that morning.
06:13 < RangerZ> nice
06:14 <@NotLarry> Yeah, that $600 tape drive easily paid for itself that day.  And I learned a very improtant lesson about rm:)
06:15 <@NotLarry> Wow, not creepy at all, I am now in a chat with a radio station in taiwan...
06:15 <@NotLarry> ]]
06:16 <@NotLarry> ']
06:16 <@NotLarry> '[[]
06:16 <@NotLarry> '[;]'
06:16 <@NotLarry> ']
06:16 < RangerZ> nice...
06:16 < RangerZ> if you install all the unicode language packs
06:16 < RangerZ> it'll give you real characters
06:16 < RangerZ> and you can copy/paste them into translate, etc
06:17 <@NotLarry> I use translate to call lane in the champion select
06:17 <@NotLarry> but in game have not figured out how to type in characters and I can't read
06:17 <@NotLarry> Might try to pick that up.
06:17 < RangerZ> why do you play on those servers?
06:17 < RangerZ> to get enough players at this time of night?
06:21 <@NotLarry> Na, just felt like it.
06:21 <@NotLarry> my ping is around 250
06:21 <@NotLarry> And no one can troll me cause I don't understand them:)
06:21 < RangerZ> lol
06:21 <@NotLarry> I just started, only 4 or 5 games in, lvl 5
06:21 < RangerZ> never played
06:22 <@NotLarry> Right now it is what has my attention.
06:22 <@NotLarry> Between that, porn, and trying to setup a r00tw4rz thingy
06:23 <@NotLarry> Oh, and taking over more duties at work (for the same pay, did I whine about that yet today?)
06:24 < RangerZ> not yet, since it is after midnight I think
06:24 <@NotLarry> Got a skype interview Wed evening.
06:25 < RangerZ> fun fun
06:25 < RangerZ> who this time, amazon?
06:25 <@NotLarry> I'm gonna call a user this morning and tell them that they have had 6 months to get back to us on moving their equipment and I will be unplugging it and putting it in a corner today.
06:25 <@NotLarry> shutterfly
06:26 <@NotLarry> the fun part of this (taiwan) is screenshot, crop in mspaint, upload to chinese ocr, copy paste to translate.  All so I can figure out what that prompt is for:)
06:27 < RangerZ> lol
06:30 < RangerZ> damn.. I can't seem to find it, but there was a commit that was nothing but....
06:31 < RangerZ> "line 174: rm -rf /   tmp/blahblah.... " -> "line 174: rm -rf /tmp/blahblah...."
06:32 < RangerZ> or so
06:38 < RangerZ> http://imgur.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/2rXjjdP
06:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Flickr wins the award for most accurately named CSS class. - Imgur (at imgur.com)
06:39 < RangerZ> Evilpig: that one you should appreciate
07:06 <@NotLarry> ok - http://i.imgur.com/apNLKuL.jpg
07:10 < RangerZ> http://i.imgur.com/JFi8vv1.png << who was it that had this a while back? lol
07:14 < RangerZ> http://i.imgur.com/UJVuDiJ.png lulz at being in nashville
07:15 <@Shadow404> Co worker was all upset that they just converted two more parking spots in the parking lot to electric charging spots and said they should die in a fire.  I responded quickly,  "that would make it a di-electric' fire". Hehe
07:21 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: u applying?
07:22 < RangerZ> nah, NotLarry needs the job more than I do
07:24 <@Shadow404> how does one work their way up in that position?
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07:28 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:30 < aestetix> SWEET
07:30 < aestetix> level 100
07:32 <@Dolemite> Crushin' that candy this morning?
07:32 < RangerZ> lol... thats funny a 13GB patch for ... an xbox one game... Dead Rising 3
07:32 < RangerZ> "consoles games ship in a more complete format than PC games"
07:33 < aestetix> yep
07:39 < aestetix> And I did not make it to level 101
07:55 <@Shadow404> screw console games
08:00 <@Dolemite> http://boingboing.net/2014/01/15/photographer-snaps-lightning-a.html
08:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Photographer snaps lightning as it strikes victim dead - Boing Boing (at boingboing.net)
08:00 <@Dolemite> Damn
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08:10 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: a 13GB patch is an "oops"
08:11 <@Shadow404> probably like nintendo ds pic mail
08:12 <@Evilpig> the snapchat stuff wasn't an oops.  that was a change in policy
08:13 <@Evilpig> a 13GB patch ....  that's an oops.  WoW would call that an expansion
08:31 <@Evilpig> http://the-gadgeteer.com/2014/01/20/amc-movie-theater-calls-fbi-to-arrest-a-google-glass-user/
08:31 <@Evilpig> dude was wearing glass with prescription lenses.
08:32 <@Dolemite> yeah, that's whack
08:34 <@sdodson> does this mean i can't send dick pics to aestetix over snapchat anymore?
08:35 <@Evilpig> sdodson: only vagina
08:35 <@sdodson> I don't like google glass.
08:35 <@sdodson> The pair of google glasses I saw had no lenses.
08:36 <@Evilpig> the standard ones don't
08:36 <@sdodson> I guess they have slots for lenses
08:36 <@Evilpig> but if you're gonna use glass and you wear glasses all the time
08:36 <@Evilpig> it only makes sense to get them
08:37 <@sdodson> http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/126550-opticsplanet-s-wetley-ggrx-becomes-first-prescription-lens-adapters-for-google-glass
08:37 < GateKeeper> Title: OpticsPlanets Wetley GGRX becomes first prescription lens adapters for Google Glass - Pocket-lint (at www.pocket-lint.com)
08:39 <@Shadow404> cool idea
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09:00 <@Evilpig> the filesize resize is taking longer than any of the rest of this process.  heh
09:00 <@sdodson> Evilpig, 13GB patch for what?
09:00 <@Evilpig> 07:32 < RangerZ> lol... thats funny a 13GB patch for ... an xbox one game... Dead Rising 3
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09:01 <@sdodson> that's probably mostly shiny graphics
09:05 <@Evilpig> "We have sent a message to the crew at the Maker’s Mark Distillery in Loretto, KY letting them know that you’ll be there on January 25, 2014 to purchase your batch bottle."   w00t!
09:09 <@Dolemite> Coming home this weekend, eh?
09:09 <@Evilpig> sister's wedding thing
09:09 <@Evilpig> flying into louisville on friday
09:09 <@Dolemite> cool
09:09 <@Evilpig> then i'll be driving back to jersey on sunday
09:10 <@Dolemite> What?  Bringing the second truck up?
09:10 <@Evilpig> yup
09:12 <@Evilpig> have y'all seen this new show on fx called Chozen?
09:13 <@Evilpig> http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=275126&lid=7
09:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Chozen: Series Info (at thetvdb.com)
09:17 <@NotLarry> looks weird:?)
09:17 <@Dolemite> nope
09:22 <@Evilpig> my boss brought it to my attention so I checked it out.  it's...  yeah.
09:23 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3fixbofj3nmi2wm/2014-01-21%2009.22.59.png
09:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-01-21 09.22.59.png (at www.dropbox.com)
09:25 <@Dolemite> Get your tour in quick before all the Japanese tourists!
09:26 <@Evilpig> the plan now is to hit them up about noon on saturday
09:26 <@Evilpig> then be back in louisville by 6 for my sister's deal
09:37 <@klixa> Evilpig: i saw that show last  night... some diver broker her neck :/
09:38 <@Evilpig> klixa: ?  chozen?
09:42 <@Evilpig> it's 6:41 on the west coast right?
09:45 < RangerZ> Evilpig: yes, it was when you asked
09:46 < RangerZ> makers mark, just got bought out by the JPN soda pop company, didn't it?
09:49 <@klixa> Evilpig: yeah... i watched it last night...chozen...one scene had some divers
09:50 <@Evilpig> I musta missed them completely
09:50 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: yeah.  not a soda company though.  same people that make midori I think
09:56 <@Dagmar> Maybe they'll be able to do something about the rum, then
09:57 < RangerZ> off to class , later
09:57 < RangerZ> 3
09:58 <@Dagmar> 5
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09:59 <@Shadow404> 7
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10:03 <@Evilpig> 13
10:04 <@Shadow404> infiniti
10:07 < aestetix> so
10:07 < aestetix> This wierd tension about jobs that exists in the US
10:07 < aestetix> How long can it keep going?
10:07 < aestetix> (the tension where everyone is always afraid of losing their jobs)
10:08 <@Evilpig> hasn't that always been the case?
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10:09 <@Corydon76-work> Not always, but it's certainly a prevalent state now, thanks to the existence of "At Will" states
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10:10 < aestetix> Well there's also the paradigm of employers treating employees like cogs in a machine
10:10 < aestetix> Disposable and expendible.
10:10 <@Shadow404> they still are
10:10 <@Shadow404> until employees become scarce
10:11 < aestetix> Shadow404: which is not going to happen anytime soon, thanks to automation.
10:11 <@Shadow404> aestetix: get fired, greater good, and all that
10:11 <@Dagmar> But that's why they need more H1Bs!
10:12 < aestetix> Well
10:12 < aestetix> Now that I think about it
10:12 <@Dagmar> clearly qualified employees (who will work for the entry-level minimum) are incredibly scarce
10:12 < aestetix> I wouldn't be surprised if people are delaying getting married and having kids because of this.
10:12 <@Dagmar> It's people who barely know what they're doing who are easy to find
10:12 < aestetix> I mean, who the hell is going to start a family when you know you could get fired at any point
10:12 <@Dagmar> Resume padding is at an all-time high in this country
10:13 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: I think for every H1B a company is able to get, they must demonstrate that they have at least 1 other American employee in the same line of work
10:13 <@Dagmar> I've had recruiters telling me to put android development on my resume
10:13 <@Dagmar> These are not people I talk to a second time.
10:13 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: So?
10:14 < aestetix> Which also leads to lots of tension elsewhere.
10:14 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: A major user of H1Bs are shell companies that have NO employees other than H1Bs
10:14 < aestetix> (I have a friend who got fired from her job, after being there over for a year, because they decided they wanted someone with javascript experience and she didn't have any)
10:14 <@Corydon76-work> There's massive abuse in the H1B program
10:15 <@Corydon76-work> There may well be legitimacy for H1B.  But it's filled with fraud currently
10:15 <@Dagmar> ...and Larry Page and Mark Zuckerburg are very transparently trying to have the number of H1B's increased greatly, claiming they just can't find the talent in the US
10:16 <@Dagmar> I say it's a matter of they can't find experienced programmers who will for for $40k
10:16 < aestetix> Dagmar: I'm gonna take a wild guess that h1b people work for cheaper
10:16 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Ding!  Right on the nose.  They're trying to import poverty because they don't want to pay comptetitively
10:16 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: that is very true.  It's all about price
10:16 < aestetix> And the best part is
10:16 < aestetix> If you're here on a visa, you are your employer's bitch
10:17 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: well, another problem is that only a certain mindset wants to move to the Bay area
10:17 <@Dagmar> You saw that thing I linked last week about hte guy at Oracle who got himself in deep shit because his boss told him to offer an applicant a low-ball offer because "that's good money for an Indian"
10:17 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: the get rich quick type?
10:17 <@Dagmar> THe Bay Area's fuckin' expensive
10:17 < aestetix> yes it is
10:17 <@Corydon76-work> I'm quite comfy in Nashville, so unless he opens an office here, I'm not going to even CONSIDER working for Facebook.
10:17 < aestetix> I've actually been thinking about moving away
10:17 <@Dagmar> If they want to have all their offices there, they need to consider that possibly they're going to have to pay their employees more so they won't be living in a cardboard box
10:19 <@Corydon76-work> Google should consider building a massive campus in Mount Juliet and moving half of their employees here
10:19 <@Evilpig> it's official .  Win8 has just become WinME   http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245556/HP_sticks_thumb_in_Microsoft_s_eye_discounts_consumer_Windows_7_PCs
10:19 < GateKeeper> Title: HP sticks thumb in Microsoft's eye, discounts consumer Windows 7 PCs - Computerworld (at www.computerworld.com)
10:19 <@Corydon76-work> Lower cost of living, no state income tax, progressive city right next door...
10:20 <@Corydon76-work> and Wilson county would suddenly go Democratic.
10:21 <@Dagmar> They'd freak out about ALL TEH HOMOSESHUALS
10:21 < aestetix> But then they couldn't lure people by teling them they are living the bay area dream
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10:23 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: Wilson county is already full of homosexuals, trust me
10:24 <@Corydon76-work> They pretty much guaranteed that when they tried starting to be a shopping mecca.
10:24 < aestetix> fuck level 100 is hard
10:24 <@Corydon76-work> Use more lube
10:25 < aestetix> Well basically here's the big picture I'm looking at
10:25 < aestetix> People go into $100k of debt to go to college to get a degree
10:25 < aestetix> Then they find themselves in a ruthless job market where they have to hold onto a shitty job to keep making loan payments
10:25 < aestetix> Unless I have this wrong
10:27 <@klixa> wage slavery
10:28 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: that's precisely why unless you're getting an engineering degree, going to college is not worth the money
10:28 <@klixa> not to mention that being in your mid 40's and in the IT industry is a bad thing (my brther is dealing with this atm)
10:28 <@klixa> 40 is old now
10:29 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: the challenge is, that leads to an entire population of people who are not versed in the humanities and thus don't think the make the moral questions about the use of technology
10:29 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: No, it's not
10:29 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i know a few people where it's detrimental to their IT careers
10:30 <@klixa> the fact they have the charm of a carboard box doesnt help :/
10:30 < aestetix> klixa: the other issue is that in our culture right now, age is viewed as a curse
10:30 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: it's only detrimental to the idea of going out to SF and getting a flashy job at a startup
10:30 < aestetix> Rather than old people having wisdom to teach, they are slow keep everyone behind
10:30 <@klixa> aestetix: yeah the whole dinaosaur things
10:31 <@klixa> thing*
10:31 < aestetix> Nobody stops to think "hmm, this guy is 70, maybe he's beeen through this before"
10:31 <@Dolemite> Get
10:31 <@Dolemite> Off
10:31 <@Dolemite> My
10:31 <@Dolemite> Lawn
10:31  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
10:31 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i doubt tahts the only context its detrimental... but yeah..its all about the company, etc and other variables
10:31 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: If the guy is 70 and still looking for an entry level job in IT, something is very wrong with him
10:32 <@klixa> aestetix: depends...my father just died 2 months ago... he was 83...and he was in the music industry, owned his own comany and was revered til the end
10:32 <@klixa> but that is rare
10:32 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: I was more referring to lack of respect for elders
10:32 <@Dolemite> Startups definitely have a bias against older workers, because they want people who aren't already set in their existing methodologies.  They want to think outside of the box by hiring people who've never dealt with the box to begin with.
10:32 < nachoguy> Klixa, what sort of work is your brother in (developer, support, tech management)?
10:32 <@Corydon76-work> Dolemite: yep, and in the end, they reinvent the box and go bankrupt in 2 years
10:32 < aestetix> Dolemite: you mean people who don't know that 100+ hours a week of work is unhealthy and unfair? :)
10:32 <@klixa> nachoguy: developer
10:33 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-work: High risk, high reward
10:33 <@Corydon76-work> Dolemite: it's not rewarding for the investor
10:33 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Precisely the reason why I told my manager at Bluestar to go fuck himself
10:34 <@Corydon76-work> Almost none of the tech startups has any clue about making a profit, so it's best to stay away from that crowd
10:34 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: yep
10:34 < nachoguy> even non startups will look to pick up either new college grads or people with 0-5 years experience.  They're cheaper, they usually don't have kids (so they'll work long hours).
10:34 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-work: It is for some, but that's a very, very small select few
10:34 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: startups also go under because they have shitty code that was thrown together
10:34 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i will say this tho..i know this guy Shawn in San JOse... hes nearly 50 but super genius gifted and has NO issues finding work and makes hell good money...he does some kinda reverse engineering cryptography type stuff opr something
10:34 <@Corydon76-work> Dolemite: I don't know of any purely computer-based startups that aren't all fluff
10:34 < aestetix> klixa: I'm gonna guess he has been here a while and has a solid social network
10:35 < nachoguy> if you're super niche and that niche is in demand, then you're fine
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> If there's not a widget in hand that you make, you're all fluff
10:35 < nachoguy> if you're a middle of the road java programmer who is over 40, they're getting a college kid
10:35 <@klixa> aestetix: hes been in Nashville his whole life...dunno about social network...hes very introverted and blunt
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> nachoguy: yeah, and they'll suffer for it
10:35 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-work: I agree that they're pretty much all fluff, but there are still a few in an extremely small minority that can still walk away like a bandit
10:36 < aestetix> oh ok
10:36 <@klixa> aestetix: oh oops..the other person
10:36 < nachoguy> Corydon76-work: absolutely, but they don't care
10:36 <@klixa> aestetix: um...i dunno how long the crypto guy has been in san jose...i dont know him that wwell
10:36 <@Dolemite> And I'm in no way endorsing the high risk, high reward mindset...   just stating that's the allure
10:36 < nachoguy> they saved money on the budget for this year and the next.  by the time the problem compunds, the management has moved on to their next gig with figures about how much they saved their previous company and how much they streamlined things
10:36  * klixa drinks her coffee to counteract her adhd tendency to forget what the hell she is talking about
10:36 < aestetix> well, risk means a lot less if you're 22 and single
10:36 <@Corydon76-work> Between a guy who's taught himself to program and hasn't been to college, and a fresh college graduate, I'll take the self-taught one any day
10:37 < nachoguy> Corydon, you're not an MBA weilding manager with a golden parachute tied to company performance
10:37 <@klixa> the other issue with age is how much you have to pay them...you can pay younger people much less
10:37 <@klixa> thats probably the main reason for agism
10:37 <@Corydon76-work> College graduates by and large are WORSE than people who have taught themselves bad habits, because they believe they know everything, and you essentially have to unteach everything they learned in college
10:38 < aestetix> klixa: which gets back into the line about profit margins
10:38 <@Corydon76-work> nachoguy: I'm well on my way to being the replacement for my boss when he retires
10:38 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: so what is the value of an engineering degree, then?
10:38 < nachoguy> it's the money and the fact you can overwork the shit out of them
10:39 <@klixa> self emplyment is the way to go if possible
10:39 < aestetix> klixa: except taxes
10:39 < nachoguy> Corydon76-work: yep, but you'll be the exception.  you lived the job.
10:39 < aestetix> klixa: and insurance
10:39 <@klixa> inconsistent income, in my expereince, is the only downfall of self emplyment
10:39 < nachoguy> a lot of people in management haven't/  My developer left I need a new developer. s/developer/interchangable cog/g
10:39 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: When I said engineering, I was thinking electrical, mechanical, and chemical engineering
10:40 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: ahhh ok.
10:40 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: not the quasi-engineer shits that call themselves cs majors?
10:40 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I think even less of the professors who teach that crap
10:41 < aestetix> So besides EEs, is there any reason to go to college anymore?
10:41 < nachoguy> Corydon76-work: amusingly enough, those "professors" tend to have fairly stable jobs.
10:41 <@Corydon76-work> There was a dipshit engineering professor over at Vandy who "proved" that the Linux kernel would become unmaintainable in 2-3 years (this was about 10 years ago, btw)
10:41 < nachoguy> they're not paid the same as people with technical jobs, but decent pay and stability isn't bad
10:42 < nachoguy> Corydon76-work: is he still there?
10:42 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: is Schach still at Vandy?
10:42 < aestetix> Now that I think about it
10:43 < aestetix> These questions about employment and stability, I never hear from the fauxminists.
10:43 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, he's retired now
10:43 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~srs/
10:43 < GateKeeper> Title: Stephen R. Schach Home Page (at www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu)
10:43 < aestetix> I guess you have to have a good paying job before you can have the bandwidth to think about issues like that
10:44 < nachoguy> Corydon76-work: so he was employed until he got his pension.  THat's rough.
10:44 < nachoguy> I should become a teacher.  I could not know things and work 20 hours a week
10:44 <@Corydon76-work> And he turned out innumerable dipshits in the the meantime
10:45 <@Corydon76-work> Notably, he's not becoming rich by applying his software engineering techniques, so he's turned to writing fiction.
10:45 <@Corydon76-work> One could argue that he's been writing fiction his entire career
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10:50 <@klixa> nachoguy: lol
10:51 <@klixa> im getting an ipad mini today
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11:07 <@Shadow404> heh, i read that diferrently the first time
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11:10 <@Evilpig> well fuck
11:11 <@Evilpig> I might get stuck at the DC without provisions this time
11:11 <@Dolemite> What, no string cheese?
11:11 <@NotLarry> no vending at the dc?
11:12 <@Dolemite> I saw your post of the EZ Cheese this weekend.  That will clog you up.
11:13 <@Evilpig> we have snack food.  but last time I was up here I brought in a pizza and two days worth of chinese plus a chnage of clothes
11:13 <@klixa> what is the DC
11:14 <@NotLarry> pizza
11:14 <@NotLarry> Data Center
11:14 <@klixa> you cant leave and buy food?
11:14 <@Evilpig> the weather is getting uber shitty
11:14 <@Evilpig> it's bad enough the dc just brought in four days worth of fuel for the generators
11:14 <@klixa> oh...yeah you are in snow land
11:14 <@klixa> its like 70 and sunny here
11:14 <@NotLarry> It is an isolated location with physical security where we can trust Wilpig.  Much like Jurassic Park.
11:16 <@klixa> i wish i was locked in due to snowy crazy wether
11:16 <@klixa> that sounds like fun
11:16 <@Shadow404> oh, god, he looks the same
11:16 <@Evilpig> okay night shift is coming in for a 24 hour shift
11:17 <@Shadow404> that gotta suck
11:17 <@Evilpig> I've got tomorrow off now but i'm here til 4 at the earliest
11:17 <@Shadow404> just think pig, il be down in florida, in 24hrs
11:17 <@klixa> id much rather be in the snow
11:18 <@Shadow404> on the coast, sippin rum
11:18 <@klixa> i looked at my weather widgets...and 3 weeks ago i was in columbus, oh and its 16 degrees and snowy now...id rather be there than in this sunshine
11:18 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: I suggest changing Shadow404's login to /bin/nologin
11:18 <@Shadow404> lawl
11:18 <@Dolemite> or rather, his shell
11:18 <@Evilpig> more fun just to kill his ssh session
11:18 <@Shadow404> yeah yeah
11:18 <@Dolemite> We are supposed to get wet snow starting right about now and then the temperature drops to 11 overnight
11:19 <@klixa> Dolemite: where is here
11:19 <@Dolemite> Knoxville, TN
11:19 <@klixa> ok
11:19 <@Dolemite> ~weather 37831
11:19 <@Evilpig> you saw the email I got from facilities here.  they're calling for 5-8" by 9pm tonight
11:19 <@Dolemite> er, what's the bot command for weather?
11:19 <@klixa> Evilpig: im soooo jealous
11:19  * klixa loves snow
11:20 <@Evilpig> @weather 08854
11:20 < GateKeeper> Evilpig: Piscataway, NJ :: Snow :: 20F | Wind Chill: 12F | Tuesday: Overcast with snow. High of 27F with a windchill as low as 7F. Winds from the NNE at 5 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 100% with accumulations up to 1 in. possible. Tuesday Night: Overcast with snow, then a chance of snow after midnight. Low of 0F with a windchill as low as -9F. Windy. Winds from the NNW at 15 to 25 (1 more message)
11:20 <@Dolemite> @weather 37831
11:20 < GateKeeper> Dolemite: Oak Ridge, TN :: Overcast :: 41F | Wind Chill: 34F | Tuesday: Overcast with snow and a chance of rain, then snow in the afternoon. High of 41F. Breezy. Winds from the WNW at 15 to 20 mph with gusts to 30 mph. Chance of snow 80%. Tuesday Night: Overcast in the evening, then partly cloudy. Low of 10F with a windchill as low as 3F. Breezy. Winds from the NNW at 10 to 20 (1 more message)
11:20 <@Dolemite> Cold front just hit the plateau - it has dropped 10 degrees in the last hour
11:20 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: what's the  (1 more message) on that?
11:21 <@Evilpig> I wonder if I should venture out and get something to eat
11:22 <@klixa> Evilpig: yes
11:22 <@Shadow404> @weather 32780
11:22 < GateKeeper> Shadow404: Titusville, FL :: Scattered Clouds :: 66F | Tuesday: Partly cloudy with a chance of rain in the afternoon. High of 72F. Breezy. Winds from the WSW at 10 to 25 mph with gusts to 30 mph. Chance of rain 20%. Tuesday Night: Partly cloudy in the evening, then clear. Low of 37F. Breezy. Winds from the WNW at 10 to 20 mph.
11:23 < aestetix> so it turns out that stretching helps reduce your stress level
11:24 <@oddball> yep
11:24 <@Shadow404> so does masturbation
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11:24 <@Shadow404> vagina
11:25 < aestetix> Shadow404: what about butt play?
11:25 <@oddball> With stretching: 1. it's a form of excersise, and 2. it could be considered a low level type of meditation.
11:25 <@Shadow404> that depends
11:25 < aestetix> I guess butt play could also be considered stretching
11:25 <@Shadow404> true, not the same type...
11:28 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jan/21/superheroes-cultural-catastrophe-alan-moore-comics-watchmen
11:28 < aestetix> thanks fauxminists
11:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Superheroes a 'cultural catastrophe', says comics guru Alan Moore | Books | theguardian.com (at www.theguardian.com)
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11:33 < aestetix> given that I think Watchmen is one of the greatest stories ever written....
11:33 < aestetix> That book alone completely changed my view of comics.
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11:35 <@klixa> i dont read comics, i just like the pictures
11:35 < aestetix> heh
11:35 <@klixa> i like the Dave McKean style artwork
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11:36 <@klixa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tragical_Comedy_or_Comical_Tragedy_of_Mr._Punch for example
11:36 < GateKeeper> Title: The Tragical Comedy or Comical Tragedy of Mr. Punch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
11:36 < aestetix> I didn't take graphic novels seriously until I read Watchmen and The Invisibles.
11:36 <@klixa> plus i had some sepciual edition spawns either drawn by him or someone copying his style
11:36 <@oddball> I'm always amused that they actually changed the rules of the Hugo Award after the Watchmen won.
11:37 < aestetix> I should re-read it.
11:37 < aestetix> I also never saw the movie.
11:38 <@klixa> i think i started watching the movie... but... i dont rememeber
11:38 <@klixa> dont ever get pregnant...it makes you like 20 iq points dumber and spacey as hell
11:38  * klixa hasnt read an entire book in almost a year
11:39 <@benthemeek> oddball: how so?
11:39 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I dunno.  I don't think I'm ever going to stop trying to get my boyfriend pregnant.
11:39 <@klixa> this relates to yesterdays convo of why more women arent in tech...estrogen
11:39 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: ;)
11:40 < aestetix> klixa: that's funny because in the circle I hang out with, it's about 50/50
11:40 < aestetix> and the women are all programmers, not groupies or anything
11:40 <@klixa> aestetix: california doesnt have estrogen :|
11:40 <@klixa> it's banned, along with ferretts
11:40 < aestetix> I can seriously list off at least 10 very smart female programmers I know
11:40 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: Actually, on the contrary, even the men in California are on estrogen.
11:40 <@oddball> benthemeek: I remember reading that it one an award that is normally given to "proper books," and the rules were changed after that year to expressly exclude comics.
11:40 < aestetix> and they are treated no differently
11:41 <@Corydon76-work> It makes for a society greatly reduced in aggression
11:41 <@klixa> aestetix: i never said anyone was treated differently..and i was making a hyperbolic statement anyway... while pregnant, the estrogen made me stupid and fuzzy
11:41 < aestetix> The only reason I'd treat a woman differently is if she said she coded and couldn't. But I'd treat a guy who said that the same way.
11:41 < aestetix> oh ok
11:41 < aestetix> oddball: that's a shame
11:42 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I'd have to first ask what language she coded in
11:42 <@klixa> aestetix: on a completely literal note...life is much different in Cali also...i have lived in Nashville and in the Bay... and the bay is a completely different culture
11:42 < aestetix> klixa: fair enough
11:42 <@Corydon76-work> Some of them are actually COBOL programmers, and Ruby looks foreign to them
11:42 < aestetix> Also keep in mind I live in a bubble within the bubble
11:42 <@oddball> aestetix: Eh, the folks that run the Hugo awards have been known for being pretencious asshats from time to time.
11:43 <@klixa> aestetix: the bay is a nice bubble...things are a lot more equal there...i had pink hair when i was a teen...and in nashville that caused people to yell crazy stuff at me..like "freak!" "devil worshipper" etc...lol
11:43 <@benthemeek> aestetix: There is this argument made by  libertarian organizations that women are treated no differently in the work place, and that their lower pay is usually a reflection of them taking time off to have children and then re joining the work force in later years
11:43 < aestetix> uhhhhhhh
11:43 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Have you met Harley?
11:43 < aestetix> klixa: they like to THINK they are more equal
11:43 <@klixa> aestetix: now you are confusing me...ack
11:43 <@klixa> bay>nashville
11:44 <@benthemeek> They have supposed data showing that women that do not take time out of their careers for families are treated equally in pay etc
11:44 < aestetix> benthemeek: which can be met by the argument that men should also be given time off work, and its a long term investment, as families are more likely to be loyal employees
11:44 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: the argument is baloney.  Women are paid less because in the general case, they aren't aggressively asking for more money
11:44 <@oddball> A few years back, they did at least add a category for "best graphic story."
11:44 <@klixa> benthemeek: also...arent women usually doing less skilled work?
11:44 <@benthemeek> I didn't say i agreed with said argument I have just read about it
11:44 < aestetix> Heh yeah
11:44 <@Corydon76-work> Companies have learned to pay only what people are asking for, not what they're "worth", which is what makes the libertarian argument specious
11:45 <@klixa> im not sure how many unbiased studies have been done about how much women make...ie taking the exact same job, expereince, etc
11:45 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: which is why I like this new trend of companies publishing everyone's salary.
11:45 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: it's all about what people ask to be paid
11:45 <@benthemeek> The question would be if men stayed home a few years to raise kids would they then suffer the lack of equal pay for a coworker who stayed the whole time etc
11:45 <@Corydon76-work> I understand, because I used to have the fear of asking to be paid more
11:46 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i will take your word...cause i dont work...i mean i do some computer repair stuff on my own and get paid... but other than working at Dell briefly i have not had a regular job
11:46 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: I currently do.
11:46 <@Corydon76-work> Now, I understand that literally the worst that could happen is that they could say no.
11:46 <@oddball> I will say it's really damn annoying that companies have tended to go the way of not publishing what range they're looking to pay for an advertised position.
11:46 <@Corydon76-work> You aren't going to get fired for asking for more money.  You're around right now, so they still see value in you.  That's why you won't get fired for asking for a raise
11:47 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: do you bill your time at the going rate for your area?
11:47 < aestetix> benthemeek: hold on there's an article you need to read
11:47 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: of course not.  If they can get away with paying less, they will.
11:48 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: no...i just charge what i think is fair
11:48 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i haev no idea how it relates to the going rate of my area
11:48 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: It's better to have a standard billing rate
11:48 < aestetix> benthemeek: https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/lying-to-liberals/
11:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Found: Libertarians "Lying To Liberals" Guide Book (at www.nsfwcorp.com)
11:48 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: for example, in Nashville, the standard rate is $150/hour
11:48 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: really? damn...
11:49 < aestetix> It's kind of ranty, but it shows how the extreme right and extreme left wings have gone so far they wrapped around and met .
11:49 <@Corydon76-work> After the cut by the guy who does my billing and taxes, I end up with about half of that.
11:49 <@klixa> well...the last job i did was reinstall Os X...i charge $50 for that...it took 20 minutes...so...actually that is the same as $150 except most people would have a 1 hour min
11:49 < aestetix> klixa: yeah, taxes are where you'll get nailed.
11:50 <@klixa> aestetix: i barely do it... this is more friends, friends of friends type thing atm
11:50 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: that's always been true of the extreme right and the extreme left
11:50 <@Corydon76-work> Eventually, it's just Fascism
11:50 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: the article is about some stuff that happened in the mid 70s
11:50 < aestetix> Which makes sense, right after Watergate
11:51 <@Shadow404> woot, company got me a dodge charger to rent
11:51 <@Shadow404> 2012
11:51 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: not a new one?  They must not value you.
11:51 <@Shadow404> thats right, im just dirt
11:51 <@klixa> this is why i am with my ex still... i have to figure out ome kinda way to make money before i leave
11:51 <@klixa> some*
11:52 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: That's a reason to start looking elsewhere for a better gig
11:52 <@klixa> i have no expereince doing real work
11:52 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: inorite
11:52 < aestetix> klixa: neither do most people who put it on their resume
11:53 <@klixa> aestetix: i dont know how to fake it either...lol
11:53 <@Shadow404> probably will upgrade to business for $25 if seats arr available for my height
11:53 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: it's all just bluster
11:53 <@Shadow404> on the plane
11:53 <@Corydon76-work> As long as you don't advertise something that they can test you on in an interview, and you can learn it on the job, you're fine.
11:54 <@Corydon76-work> So if you know SQL in general, you can say that you can program to MS SQL Server and Oracle databases, no problem
11:54 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i have too much anxiety to claim i can do somehting i cant...i tend to underplay my abilities actually
11:54 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: that's very common
11:55 <@Corydon76-work> There's very few people who can walk into an interview with full confidence
11:55 <@klixa> my bf...he will claim to be able to things he has never even heard of...and hes so damn charismatic and charming that he will just start teing a funny story to distract the onterviewr...
11:55 <@Shadow404> "sexual master", what skills is that mr. shadow404
11:55 <@klixa> elling*
11:55 <@klixa> telling*
11:56 <@Corydon76-work> When I took my dCAP certification, there were a number of people who didn't know what a certain application did (was a test question).  I had written the stinkin' app, so I knew exactly what it did.
11:56 <@Shadow404> well, call your wife and shell explain in about 2hrs
11:56 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: what application?
11:56 <@Corydon76-work> RandomGoto, I think it was called
11:57 < aestetix> What is dCAP
11:57 <@Corydon76-work> Digium Certified Asterisk Professional
11:57 < aestetix> ahhhhh ok
11:58 <@Corydon76-work> The intent of the app was to send a certain portion of calls to another extension, like in a call center where you want some calls to go to a supervisor
12:00 <@eryc> are there a lot of call centers using asterisk?
12:00 <@Corydon76-work> Tons, actually
12:00 <@eryc> so like 3
12:00 <@Corydon76-work> Including a type of call center that people loathe with a passion.
12:01 <@Corydon76-work> Those are the ones using something called a Predictive Dialer
12:01 <@Dagmar> booooooored
12:01 <@eryc> what's that?
12:02 <@Dagmar> listening to a baseball coach talking about teams and trust
12:02 <@Corydon76-work> They start dialing a new number before any operator is available to talk, assuming that an operator will be available by the time someone answers the call
12:02 <@eryc> ah fun
12:02 <@Corydon76-work> Basically cutting downtown between cold sales calls.
12:02 <@Dagmar> He's talking about those loathesome cold-calling centers
12:02 <@Corydon76-work> Err, downtime
12:03 <@eryc> yea i was thinking the opposite before
12:03 <@eryc> so basically spammers use asterisk
12:03 <@Corydon76-work> There was one guy in Florida who was doing over a million minutes per month with a predictive dialer
12:03 <@eryc> robocalls, cold calls, and all the annoying shit
12:03 <@Corydon76-work> Well, an essential difference is that spam's cost is born by others.
12:04 <@Corydon76-work> Cold callers are an annoyance, but they aren't the scourge that spam is
12:05 <@Corydon76-work> That said, I also have no doubt that Asterisk is being used for political hack jobs using a robocaller
12:05 <@Corydon76-work> I've come across jobs for precisely that
12:06 <@Corydon76-work> Robocallers are actually intensely simple code
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12:07 <@Corydon76-work> Call a set of numbers, play a file when you receive the answer event.
12:07 <@Corydon76-work> Hang up, repeat
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12:13 <@Dagmar> shoot me
12:13 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: why, what's wrong?
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12:14 < aestetix> Dagmar: how's anarchival doign
12:14 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, reading back, I understand.  Dagmar is in a cheerleading meeting.
12:15 <@Corydon76-work> One of those team building exercises that is completely ineffective if you aren't mentally retarded.
12:16 <@Dagmar> somehow redhat training isnt mission-critical,but sharepoint and exchange training is
12:16 < aestetix> cheerleading?
12:16 <@Dagmar> also finding out about more things my ex-boss excluded me from
12:18 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I have flirted and held with just about every political ideology under the sun and then when I realize they were all over simplifications of a complex problem; I embraced the dunning-kruger effect in that I know enough to know I don't know anything :)
12:18 < aestetix> haha
12:18 <@Dagmar> also i have no idea why they consider ITIL training to be mission critical since these are the people that alreasy had such training and failed to understand it, leading to thepresentprocess of Delay Management
12:19 < aestetix> benthemeek: just because they are oversimplifications doesn't mean they aren't useful
12:19 <@Dolemite> benthemeek++
12:19 < aestetix> I mean, the word "happy" is a simplification of an emotional state, but it's still quite a useful word
12:20 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: RHEL training is less critical because in comparison to Sharepoint, it actually makes sense
12:20 <@Dagmar> probably but its still bullshit
12:20 <@Dolemite> The scary thing is the basically Sharepoint and Exchange are the same back end
12:21 < aestetix> Dagmar: are you in powerpoint hell?
12:21 <@Dagmar> I am wondering wtf Hogan is thinkingcontinuing to declare he's in charge of 'core infrastructure'
12:22 <@Dagmar> They don't have anyone assigned to it
12:22 <@Evilpig> if you say something enough you'll eventually believe it.  if you're lucky you'll convince a few others as well
12:22 <@Dolemite> I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog gone it, people like me.
12:22 <@Dolemite> I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog gone it, people like me.
12:23 <@Dolemite> I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog gone it, people like me.
12:23 <@benthemeek> Dolemite++
12:23  * Evilpig kicks Dolemite in the shins
12:23  * Dolemite steals all of Evilpig's string cheese
12:23 < aestetix> Thanks stuart.
12:24 <@Evilpig> no aestetix, that's dolemite.   d-o-l-e-m-i-t-e
12:24 <@Dagmar> Also,Hogan *did* exclude me from the duties assessment interviews
12:24 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: you're the dirty defector 
12:24 <@Dagmar> So...there's an extra helping of 'fuckthat guy'
12:25 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: so when are you booby trapping his car?
12:25 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: no, those were supposed to happen -before- I started looking to get out
12:26 <@Dagmar> man i hope irun into him on the street
12:26 <@Dagmar> good news.  I'm pretty sure if you try you can find the stream of this online
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12:28 <@Evilpig> what are we looking for a stream of?
12:28 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar's training seminar
12:29 <@Shadow404> oh god
12:29 <@Dagmar> its all hands meeting
12:30 <@Dagmar> right now theyre gibbering about how awesome it is theyre going to try to deploy rfid for asset tracking
12:30 <@Shadow404> oh man, that would be fun to screw with
12:30 <@Corydon76-work> Hogan has a bright future being a layoff manager.  He's drive everyone to quit, so they won't have to give severance packages
12:30 <@Dagmar> ...which I supposed was cutting edge 10 years ago.
12:30 <@Shadow404> from a hacking standpoint
12:31 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: oh believe me I regret having a white hat right now
12:31 < aestetix> what is cutting edge these days?
12:32 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: yes, it's great.  you ought to implant a few of the retired tags in a few years into the wall.
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12:32 <@Dagmar> The range on rfid isn't that good tho
12:32 <@Corydon76-work> "Why the FUCK is it saying that asset is STILL HERE?"
12:32 <@Corydon76-work> Some of them are
12:32 <@Corydon76-work> Up to 15 feet, I thought
12:33 <@Corydon76-work> Or even better.  Switching asset tags
12:33 <@Dagmar> Retail stores have been using this shit for anti-theft for at least 10 years now
12:34 <@Shadow404> heh, or hide asset tags, in peoples book bags
12:34 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: nah, on the bottom of carts
12:34 <@Dagmar> They've already said a few things that hint to me they're going to screw it up
12:34 <@Shadow404> depends how closely they watch assets
12:34 <@Dagmar> Corydon knows what'll work.
12:35 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: rfid asset tags for all things with asset tags or just dc stuff?
12:35 <@oddball> I know there are at least a few factories that use RFID for inventory management for their parts.
12:35 <@Corydon76-work> Of course they're going to screw it up.  Asset tracking is a human problem, so throwing technology at it isn't going to do jack squat
12:35 <@Dagmar> Sticky side up on the floor is best luls
12:35 <@Evilpig> walmart requires rfid for shipments.  or at least they used to
12:36 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: HOSPITAL stuff, like wheelchairs and drugs
12:36 <@Evilpig> oh god.  yeah that is doomed to failure
12:36 <@oddball> One gun manufacturer really stepped in it when it became known that they were doing so.  The gun community is a pretty damn paranoid bunch when it comes to tracking.
12:36 <@Dagmar> They expect to use this to find where shit is
12:37 <@Dagmar> This will fail unless they install readers in every doorway
12:37 <@Evilpig> when I was working at allegro they purchased a label printer that did rfid tags specifically for their shipments to walmart.  it was neat and the tags were pretty cheap
12:37 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: yep, I've heard more than a few federal agents hid their presence by ensuring someone else implicated themselves with tracking materials
12:37 <@oddball> Oh, there's very good reasons why the gun community is fucking paranoid.
12:38 <@Dagmar> at least you can microwave a gun
12:38 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: um, sure, because there are fucking loonies lurking in their midst
12:38 <@oddball> Yes... a large chunk of metal in the microwave is a great idea...
12:38 <@Corydon76-work> If there are people the feds want to investigate hanging out with you, you're going to get spied upon
12:39 <@Dagmar> they're not paranoid.  they're 'acutely perceptive'.
12:39 <@oddball> Corydon76-work:And sometimes those loonies are federal agents.
12:39 <@Dagmar> corydon.  i dont feel like typing a massive regexp on this tablet
12:40 <@Dagmar> Let's just shorten that to 'If ... you are going to get spied upon.'
12:40 <@SuMo_D> I'm so envious of you healthy people... screw you all
12:40 <@SuMo_D> today sucks
12:41 <@oddball> Hell, I love the current thing where the ATF sets up a fake store, gets all buddy buddy with folks that are mentally disabled, convince them that it would be a great idea to buy this machine gun over here, and arrest them.
12:41 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: I was aware the DEA was doing that with mentally disabled kids, but the ATF, too?
12:41 <@oddball> yep
12:42 <@Dagmar> I think it sucks they didnt get pounded over entrapment
12:42 <@Corydon76-work> That's morally deficient
12:42 <@oddball> The ATF has done very little to provide evidence that they're not the scum of the earth.
12:42 <@Corydon76-work> I'm sure it's not over yet
12:42 <@Dagmar> Corydon: The ATF was *very* involved in that shit
12:43 <@Dagmar> up to and including teaching handicapped minors how to obtain automatic weaponry
12:43 <@Dagmar> oh no its over
12:43 <@Dagmar> nothings going to happen to tjem
12:43 <@Dagmar> its not like they're citizens
12:44 <@oddball> Oh, and one of the reasons why Operation Fast and Furious was revealed was because they ATF tried to press charges against a gun store owner for allowing straw purchases.... after the ATF explicitly told him to sell the guns to those people.
12:44 <@Dagmar> Nothing bad ever happens to corrupt "law enforcement" groups
12:45 <@NotLarry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX06ijHlFrU#t=62
12:45 < aestetix> you know
12:45 < GateKeeper> Title: Match Game 74: Tinkerbell is BLANK! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
12:45 <@oddball> The "fun" thing is that there are a lot of gun laws where the details are left up to the ATF... which likes to change its mind depending on how the wind blows.
12:45 < aestetix> oddball: my conclusion has been that Obama doesn't know how to play politics well
12:45 <@oddball> aestetix: bullshit
12:45 < aestetix> oh?
12:45 <@Dagmar> ...which is why they feel so free to send covert agents into otherwise harmless groups to fuck them up
12:45 <@oddball> I'm not buying the "he doesn't know what's going on" line.
12:45 < aestetix> actually let me rephrase that
12:46 <@Dagmar> ...because if you break up criminals, great
12:46 < aestetix> he came into the office very naive
12:46 <@Dolemite> He won't admit to knowing what's going on
12:46 < aestetix> he's gotten way better at it
12:46 <@oddball> If he was a half way decent person and didn't know what was going on, he would be outraged over this shit.
12:46 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: to be fair, the ATF is also hamstrung by certain Congress critters who would prefer they didn't exist
12:46 <@Dagmar> ...and if you break up non-criminals it then makes it easier to find criminals.
12:46 <@Dagmar> hint hint hint
12:47 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: So... how the fuck does that give them the right to destroy innocent people's lives?
12:47 <@Corydon76-work> When your job is to prevent guns from getting into the hands of criminals, but you're not allowed to actually record anything about guns, you're left with dancing around it.
12:47 <@Dagmar> because their job is law enforcement, not law obeyance
12:48 < aestetix> oh boy
12:48 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/russian-socialite-zhukova-racist-chair-naked-black-mannequin?CMP=twt_gu
12:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Russian socialite sparks outrage with 'racist chair' photograph | Culture | theguardian.com (at www.theguardian.com)
12:48 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: I don't agree with what they're doing, either, it's just that if they weren't completely hamstrung, they wouldn't even be TRYING these harebrained schemes straight out of a Warner Bros. cartoon
12:48 <@Dagmar> Funny, it sure seems like there'sa lot of paperwork involved in this not recording thing
12:49 <@oddball> As for the rules changes, there have been multiple incidents where someone submits a device to them and asks "I want to build this, is it legal?"  The ATF says, in writting, "yes."  Dude spends his life savings to start production, sells a few, and then gets a call from the ATF saying "oops, no... that's illegal.  You must destroy everything you have at your expense.  We don't care that we told you you could earlier."
12:49 <@Dagmar> aestetix: ill have to bookmark that one for later
12:49 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Nope.  not and excuse.
12:50 <@oddball> Also, I don't believe that they're really hurting for funding.
12:50 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: I'm not looking for an excuse, just understanding of the situation
12:50 <@Dagmar> Also, we should start accusing everything whote of being Nazi
12:50 <@Dagmar> er white
12:50 <@Corydon76-work> "We want you to do X, but we're going to legally prevent you from doing all the reasonable things to do X." is what Congress has effectively said to BATFE
12:51 <@Dagmar> iPhones are clearly racist as fuck.
12:51 <@Corydon76-work> At this point, they're better off just renaming to BATE and just forgetting anything to do with firearms
12:51 <@Shadow404> na, their allowing new skins for the new phone
12:52 <@Shadow404> they call it personalizing
12:52 <@Corydon76-work> In time, if they stop allowing new applications for firearms manufacture, someone with deep pockets will persuade Congress to fix the situation
12:52 <@Dagmar> They're still discriminatory because the underlying device is still only white
12:52 <@Dagmar> racist!
12:52 <@Shadow404> so 2012 dodge charger or 2011 mustang gt?
12:53 <@Shadow404> thoughts?
12:53 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: clearly they should be pink, since we're all pink on the inside?
12:54 <@Dagmar> they should sell them in all colors equally and at random, but first paying extra attention to minority colors to show them that they are special
12:54 <@Shadow404> giggity
12:54 <@Shadow404> nice dag
12:55 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: you know that the Mustang was originally intended to be sold exclusively to female secretaries, right?
12:55 <@Dagmar> people shouldnt be allowed to pick the color theyre shipped either because that just gives people the expectaytion that some colors are better than the others and the important thing is that white is unconditionally bad
12:55 <@Corydon76-work> The idea was that it would increase their appeal to men.
12:56 <@Mirage> Shadow404: pick something that has less odds of randomly hitting when tossing a rock into any random parking lot?
12:56 <@Dagmar> not a bad idea really
12:56 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: get a Smart car
12:57 <@Mirage> Shadow404: be a man..get a '67-69 version of either
12:57 <@Corydon76-work> Mostly because I want to see you fold yourself into a box to get in one.
12:57 <@Mirage> Shadow404: then go out and run down smart cars
12:57 < aestetix> oh boy
12:57 < aestetix> http://valleywag.gawker.com/protestors-blockade-private-tech-buses-1505851154
12:57 <@Corydon76-work> Those are really safe cars, actually
12:58 <@Corydon76-work> Once I'm out of bankruptcy, I'm going to get another one
12:58 <@Mirage> aestetix: why don't you just link us to whatever forum or news site you're looking at and call it good?
12:58 <@Corydon76-work> and getting 42mpg in town is pretty darn good
12:58 < aestetix> Mirage: because this was actually from twitter
12:59 <@brimstone> are they still blockading buses?
12:59 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: my grandpa's '80 diesel rabbit got about that
12:59 < aestetix> Actually, from @quinnnorton
12:59 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Ah, more idiots.  Let's run out in front of traffic.
12:59 < aestetix> Mirage: so there you go :p
12:59 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: can we toss a few out on the 405 in LA and call it a day?
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13:01 < aestetix> I will say I hope that clears out before I head into the city in a couple hours
13:01 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: if only VW still sold diesel vehicles in the US
13:02 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: please let them know that I fully support their right to jump in front of speeding vehicles
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13:03 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: there is something to be said for not picking on someone bigger than you
13:05 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: you're bigger than the protesters, right?
13:06 <@Corydon76-work> In fact, I'd put your intelligence above any and all of them, combined.
13:06 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: that really isn't saying much
13:07 <@Corydon76-work> No, you're right
13:07 < aestetix> I mean, you could say the same thing about a hamster
13:07 <@Corydon76-work> I was thinking about a 3 year old kid with Down syndrome, but sure, hampster works, too
13:09 <@Corydon76-work> Crap.  HR still doesn't have W-2s done
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13:19 <@oddball> Well, legally they have 'till the end of the month.
13:35 <@SuMo_D> terror squid
13:49 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: doesn't mean I don't want them to go faster.  ;-)
13:51 <@oddball> fair enough
13:52 < aestetix> vagina
13:53 <@SuMo_D> fiery wild beast
14:03 <@benthemeek> http://hint.fm/wind/
14:03 < aestetix> ok so
14:03 < aestetix> a flock of birds, a murder of crows
14:03 < aestetix> what do you call a group of penises
14:03 <@brimstone> an orgy
14:03 <@benthemeek> pen-i
14:04 <@brimstone> an orgy of penises
14:04 <@Mirage> SausageFest?
14:04 < nachoguy> An aestetix of Penii
14:05 < aestetix> huh
14:05 < aestetix> what about a group of vaginas
14:05 <@Mirage> A skydog?
14:05 < nachoguy> oddly enough, an aestetix of Vaginae (pronounced Va-sheen-ah)
14:05 <@SuMo_D> unruly horses
14:06 <@eryc> lame
14:06 < aestetix> I could get behind an aestetix of vaginae
14:07 < nachoguy> or in front, or on top of
14:07 < nachoguy> the general vacinity is what you're looking for
14:08 <@benthemeek> nachoguy: lol
14:09 < aestetix> so then we'd also have a Shadow404 of assholes?
14:09 < nachoguy> I think you
14:09 <@Shadow404> saw that coming...
14:09 < nachoguy> 'll have to ask a different cunning linguist about that
14:10 <@SuMo_D> furry starfish
14:11 < aestetix> SuMo_D: "What does Shadow404 keep in his sex drawer."
14:11 <@SuMo_D> moon rocks
14:11 <@Shadow404> haha, i do have a couple of drawers for that
14:12 <@Shadow404> id scare u if i took a pic
14:14 < aestetix> SuMo_D: how long did it take you to get past level 100
14:14 <@SuMo_D> hmmm
14:14 <@SuMo_D> maybe a day?
14:14 < aestetix> heh ok
14:14 < aestetix> I've almost gotten it twice
14:15 <@SuMo_D> yeah dude... I got it! and then my phone died at that exact moment
14:16 < aestetix> those fucking bombs :/
14:16 <@SuMo_D> I know right?
14:17 <@SuMo_D> I've been stuck on 103 for days ow
14:17 <@SuMo_D> but yeah, been too busy to play lately
14:19 <@Shadow404> gf is on lvl 367
14:19 <@Mirage> I thought you said no more gamers!
14:19 <@Shadow404> your letting a girl beat you
14:20 <@Shadow404> heh, i dont think candy saga counts in my book
14:20 <@Shadow404> slightly diffrent from wow
14:20 <@SuMo_D> lol
14:20 <@SuMo_D> yah just slightly
14:20 <@SuMo_D> hey do any of you guys work with Sumblime 2 or processing
14:21 <@SuMo_D> or even better... together?
14:21 <@SuMo_D> Evilpig?
14:21 <@Shadow404> Mirage: no 3hr raids that never end in candy crush
14:22 < aestetix> jesus
14:22 < aestetix> how long has she been playing
14:23 <@Shadow404> let me ask
14:24 <@Evilpig> nope
14:26 <@SuMo_D> darg.... I thought I installed this package correctly so I could build in sublime and run in processing... but apparently not
14:26 <@SuMo_D> today is shitty so far
14:26 <@SuMo_D> by at least its shifting from physical paint o mental pain... I guess that's good
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14:28 <@Shadow404> aestetix: lvl 482 / 6 months
14:30 < aestetix> well that's annoying
14:30 < aestetix> I got a letter from my credit union about the target hack
14:30 < aestetix> ugh
14:31 <@eryc> i should get a new card too
14:31 <@eryc> and move my money out of checking
14:31 <@eryc> i keep putting it off
14:34 <@SuMo_D> spoke too soon.... fuck this shit
14:35 <@Shadow404> fuck it long and hard
14:35 <@SuMo_D> one of my good friends here told me her cancer came back this morning too
14:36 <@Dickie> boo cancer
14:36 <@Dickie> booooooo
14:36 <@SuMo_D> she has to go through the same procedure I did...
14:36 < aestetix> thanks obama
14:36 <@SuMo_D> yeah... fuck cancer and its after effects...
14:36 <@eryc> fuck it long and hard
14:37 <@SuMo_D> I had a full week of being "normal" even pulled off the Maker fest with 1,500 kids and Verizon is probably going to pick up our product and got all the shit done for that with a 2 day turnaround was like yeah! I'm back
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14:37 <@SuMo_D> and she's been doing training to be a trapeze artist, and is one credit away from her paralegal... fuck that shit... cancer... boo
14:38 <@Dagmar> aestetix: At least you didn't get an _email_ abouut it
14:42 <@SuMo_D> fuck web md too...
14:42 <@SuMo_D> why did I try that...
14:44 <@Dolemite> Ok, read that wrong.  Thought you were talking about a paraplegic trapeze artist.  That would be some trick.
14:48 <@SuMo_D> yeah twood
14:48 <@SuMo_D> I donna I was in a wheelchair on and off for about a year and a half during my treatment... I hope she doesn't have to do that
14:48 <@SuMo_D> I know she's worried about that
14:48 <@Dolemite> SuMo_D: I attended a presentation on Friday that would be of interest to you...    it's on the next phase of STEM Scouting
14:49 <@SuMo_D> and she's a fighter so she'll probably try to continue with her trapeze stuff through treatment
14:49 <@SuMo_D> Dolemite that sounds awesome
14:49 <@SuMo_D> what was the good word? accelerometers going to be part of the pinewood derby kit?
14:49 <@Dolemite> SuMo_D: I asked for the powerpoint so I could send it to some folks, but the gist is it will be co-ed, for 3rd grade - 12th grade
14:49 <@SuMo_D> sweet
14:50 <@Dolemite> STEM Scouting isn't going to be a curriculum done by the existing Cub / Boy Scout tracks.  It is going to be a whole new one, with units focused solely on STEM
14:51 <@Dolemite> Right now Cub Scouts is general learning of everything - from fitness to science to ecology.  STEM may include some hikes, but they will be for the purpose of talking about science more than walking the miles.
14:51 <@Dolemite> So anyway, they're going to be needing people who can help lead the new units as they expand beyond Knoxville next year
14:52 <@Dolemite> And I thought, who better to lead a group of impressionable young girls and boys than some person whom I've never met and just casually chat with through an anonymous internet chat room?
14:53 <@Shadow404> right
14:53 <@Shadow404> that always goes well
14:53 <@Dolemite> I've met most of these other folks, so they're obviously disqualified
14:53 <@Shadow404> lawl
14:53 <@Dagmar> Clearly our SSL cert infrastructure is in good hands
14:53 <@Dagmar> http://www.geotrust.com/resources/root-certificates/
14:53 < GateKeeper> Title: Download Root Certificates - GeoTrust (at www.geotrust.com)
14:53 <@Dagmar> Look closely at "Root 5".
14:54 <@Dagmar> The fingerprint doesn't check out because *it's the wrong goddamn URL*
14:54 <@SuMo_D> lol Dolemite
14:54 <@SuMo_D> yeah I'd love to do what I can
14:55 <@SuMo_D> it2pi recorded all their webinars and yeah, I'm good with helping people setup curriculums
14:55 <@SuMo_D> brb
14:55 <@Dolemite> SuMo_D: Yeah, I figured you'd have some interest in it because of what you've mentioned working on in the past.  Same with anarchival.
14:56 <@Shadow404> oh god, anarchival and scouts....
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15:06 <@oddball> The fuck... is that... snow?
15:07 <@Dolemite> We've had big fluffy flakes falling here since about 1
15:07 <@Dolemite> Eastern Time
15:09 <@Shadow404> snowing here too
15:09 <@Shadow404> soon fl
15:10 <@Shadow404> 18hrs from now
15:12 <@Shadow404> probabl have a pina colada on the shore in everyones honor while your entrenched in snow
15:14 <@Shadow404> people are plotting my death..
15:15 < aestetix> vagina
15:16 <@Shadow404> or that
15:17 < dc0de> or magina
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15:18 <@Shadow404> speaking of....
15:18 < dc0de> ^^^^^
15:26 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.bilerico.com/2014/01/ron_jeremys_wrecking_ball_cover_is_wrecked.php
15:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Ron Jeremy's Wrecking Ball Cover Is Wrecked | The Bilerico Project (at www.bilerico.com)
15:29 <@Corydon76-work> It's like a trainwreck.  You can't look away.
15:33 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I had to watch it twice this weekend
15:38 <@Dolemite> Ok, time to head on home.  Hopefully the crazy "OMG IT'S SNOWING!!@%!@#$" drivers aren't out in full force yet.
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16:02 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: the "more" reference indicates that there is more output text queued than permitted to be sent with a single reply set.  You can "@more" and it will dump the next few lines or "@more NICK" to continue the last output stream reply from a command issued by NICK.
16:02 <@Mirage> Damn, I should have reminded him to buy bread/milk
16:06 <@Shadow404> Mirage: ill be buying tequilla and rum where im headed
16:08 <@Mirage> Shadow404: you need one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Margaritaville-DM900-Battery-Powered-Frozen-Concoction-Maker/dp/B001W6Q83Y
16:27 < RangerZ> Evilpig: Dagmar interesting rumors about possible wii u/3ds successors
16:27 < RangerZ> http://www.redgamingtech.com/nintendo-fusion-terminal-fusion-ds-rumor-analysis/
16:27 < RangerZ> oddball: we were discussing this also
16:27 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1mwKvRgWUc&amp;feature=youtube_gdata << video of author talking about the article
16:27 < GateKeeper> Title: Nintendo Next Gen Console Rumor - Fusion Terminal & Fusion DS Analysis & Rumor Opinion - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:31 < RangerZ> nintendo needs to go x86/64x, otherwise they won't get cross platform games :/
16:34 <@Dagmar> How's a "WiiU/3DS successor" even possible
16:34 <@Dagmar> Isn't that a bit like breeding a dachsund with a greyhound and expecting their offspring to be able to run?
16:35 < RangerZ> one console for each
16:35 <@oddball> RangerZ: Oh... a rumor that not even the person reporting it believes are true?
16:35 <@Dagmar> Also... always remember to use -showcerts with s_client because it doesn't otherwise tell you that there's a fucking intermediate chain
16:35 <@Dagmar> Mirage: By the way, 'Sean Johnson's team' got props for their hard work with OmniUpdate today
16:36 < RangerZ> successors*
16:36 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Yes, fuck that guy
16:36 <@Mirage> Dagmar: lol
16:36 <@Mirage> Dagmar: the hard work being what..everything we ddi under chad?
16:37 <@Dagmar> Yep something like that
16:37 <@Dagmar> Pretty typical.  Taking credit for the things people that came before have done
16:37 <@oddball> As i said last night... it's not a hardware issue.  It's a title issue.  The Wii was a success because it had compelling games.
16:38 <@Mirage> Dagmar: I still think it's funny that the solution we went with, which Steve Barlett was 100% behind, is what I suggested 2 years earlier when I first got the project handed to me when Raymer left.
16:38 < RangerZ> just thought it was interesting, don't expect consoles with 'those' specs to be released, but interesting to see what got posted, but I agree
16:38 <@Dagmar> I'm just pissed they're trying to act like they've got everything under control
16:39 <@Mirage> Of course when I suggested it to Peter/Zafar/Cathy, it was summarily shot down.
16:39 < RangerZ> the software is where nintendo needs to kick its own ass, (probably needs to get rid of top managment)
16:39 < RangerZ> Mirage: but were you a "team player"
16:39 < RangerZ> aka, a kissass, who would let the boss take the credit?
16:40 <@Mirage> RangerZ: at that time, the "Team" was me and Jeff.  Jeff did the backup stuff and I did everything else.
16:40 < RangerZ> b/c it sounds like thats a requirement to get promoted in VUIT lately
16:41 <@Mirage> RangerZ: I thnk most everyone in the channel will agree that i don't kiss anyone's ass for any reason.
16:41  * RangerZ shrugs, honestly so much goes on with that place its just funny from my POV
16:41 < RangerZ> Mirage: thats why i asked the question, lol
16:41 <@oddball> RangerZ: A rumor that's so rediculous that the person reporting on it then goes on for a lengthy amount of time about how rediculous it is is worthless and shouldn't be discussed.
16:41 <@Mirage> It's not funny...it's sad and pathetic
16:44 <@oddball> And they've got a decent amount of games ported to the WiiU.  The problem is that that the other consoles have compelling lists of console exlusive games, and the Wii U has... another Mario game and Wii U Zombies.
16:44 <@NotLarry> ok, so I am recovering memories of watching the match game.  So at pn18, 6 "celebraties" play on a panel, probably drinking, while people try to win swag by matching answers.
16:44 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage:  you don't kiss your wife's ass, even in bed?  ;-)
16:46 <@NotLarry> Corydon76-work: thank, that image will stick with me at least till I drift off...
16:46 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: you're welcome
16:46 < RangerZ> Corydon76-work: you could setup a cron job to PM it to him once a day
16:46 <@NotLarry> Corydon76-work: It is not a bad image, I will just feel a little uncomfortable the next tiem I am with marage and his wife.
16:46 <@oddball> hahahaha... a company that specializes in making machinery to destroy guns and backs "buy back" programs apparently had a table at the SHOT show (giant gun industry show in Vegas) this past week.  I bet they were popular.
16:47 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: I meant figuratively, but sure, if you want to take it literally...
16:47 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: No, i don't kiss her ass and she doesn't kill mine.  Physically or figuratively
16:47 <@Corydon76-work> Y'know, "Oh, god, baby, that feels so good."
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16:48 <@NotLarry> I usually get "oh jesus, oh jesus" at which point I get up and go "well fuck, I don't know who this mexican you've been with is but I'm out" and leave the room.
16:48 <@NotLarry> for the lulz
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16:56 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Just between you and me, Java's idea of overloading is madness.
16:57 < RangerZ> why?
16:57 < RangerZ> NOT number, order and type
16:57 <@Dagmar> Because I much prefer Perl's method of overloading.
16:57 <@Dagmar> ONE namespace.
16:57 <@Dagmar> None of this "Oh well, I guess we'll just use the one that matches the supplied data types then"
16:58 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar:  essentially, explicit overloading, nothing implicit
16:58 <@Dagmar> Well, if you overload a perl function, it just _discards_ the extra arguments.
16:59 <@Dagmar> You're still calling the same damn code
16:59 < RangerZ> I actually prefer python's
16:59 < RangerZ> its the _only_ thing from python I think they got right
16:59 <@Dagmar> What's special about Python's?
17:00 < RangerZ> standard pre-compiled N.O.T.  if you match one exactly, or you can NOT some # of variables, then explicitly declare others
17:00 < RangerZ> or all explicit
17:00 < RangerZ> AND
17:00 < RangerZ> parameter defaults
17:00 <@Dagmar> N.O.T.?
17:00 < RangerZ> number order type
17:01 < RangerZ> the way c++/java work
17:02 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: I tend to agree that implicit behavior sucks, unless you're already familiar with the expressed behavior
17:03 <@Corydon76-work> Implicit behavior is the cause for a TON of security issues
17:04 <@Corydon76-work> That's ultimately why it's evil to do that.  I don't mind for there to be a setting where you can turn something like that on, based upon some set of assumptions, but it really ought to be OFF by default
17:09 < RangerZ> actually i dunno
17:09 < RangerZ> visitor pattern uses it heavily
17:09 < RangerZ> as does a lot of other very effective patterns
17:10 <@Corydon76-work> I'm not talking about patterns, though.  I'm talking about security vulnerabilities in actual products that might use those patterns
17:10 < RangerZ> but i agree that in general things should be explicit, which is why i hope java 9 adds it
17:11 < RangerZ> if the use of the visitor pattern causes a security issue, it wasn't the real cause, but i undrstand what you are saying as a whole
17:12 <@Corydon76-work> Rails had this problem back in the day, where people used multiple projects that each did something nice, and individually, they were all fine.  But combine them, and the implicit behaviors meant that vulnerabilities were created
17:29 <@Mirage> Dagmar: do you remember what open source software peter used for the ITS secure file webpage?
17:30 <@Dagmar> They just coded something as far as I know
17:30 <@Dagmar> It's *not* a particularly hard task
17:30 <@Dagmar> check credentials against ldap, taek file, store file, derp derp
17:30 <@Mirage> Dagmar: the one Peter put out and we on rare occasion had to maintain was based on an open-source offering.
17:31 <@Dagmar> No idea then.  You could try hollering at Peter
17:31 <@Dagmar> I'd check my phone for his contact info, but I left that fucker at home
17:31 <@Dagmar> NotLarry probably has it
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17:36 <@Mirage> refresh me, what was the ITS offering called for that?   I was thinking it ran on its-hclnap25, but i'm getting nothing.
17:36 <@Dagmar> no idea
17:36 <@Mirage> vshare
17:38 <@Dagmar> Sounds right
17:42 <@Dagmar> Hey hey card fiends, Hearthstone is now in Open Beta
17:48 <@Evilpig> I just saw that.  of course it goes open beta a week after I got into the closed beta
17:55 <@Evilpig> I kinda wanna get a dash cam
17:56 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.tumblr.com/post/74090003332/fun-driving-in-the-snowmageddon-just-trying-to
17:56 < GateKeeper> Title: Pig Angry! PIG SMASH! Fun,  driving in the snowmageddon. Just trying to... (at wilpig.tumblr.com)
17:56 <@Evilpig> some of the stupid shit I see driving around up here
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18:02 <@Dagmar> Hmm..
18:02 <@Dagmar> I expected to see an overly aggressive SUV driver
18:03 <@Dagmar> OH lewk http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/01/21/2232235/who-makes-the-best-hard-disk-drives
18:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Who Makes the Best Hard Disk Drives? - Slashdot (at hardware.slashdot.org)
18:03 <@Dagmar> TL;DR: Seagate hates your data.
18:05 <@anarchival> "like a server farm of Mac minis"
18:06 < dwhess> Seagate hates you also.
18:11 <@Dagmar> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=733394800013023&set=a.164677350218107.35280.118281468191029&type=1&theater
18:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Content Not Found (at www.facebook.com)
18:11 <@Dagmar> Fuckers.
18:12 <@Dagmar> It sez "The two states that legalized pot are getting together for a 'super bowl'"
18:13 <@Dagmar> I like Corydon's meme better tho
18:17 <@eryc> there's this oen too
18:17 <@eryc> https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1530317_692863944091575_1188871800_n.jpg
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18:25 <@Dagmar> omg
18:25 <@Dagmar> I notified Versign about the link being wrong on their root CA page
18:25 <@Dagmar> Two rounds of emails later... "Thanks for the e-mail, so what can I do for you today?"
18:25 <@Dagmar> My response: "I dunno.  Perhaps hassle someone to fix the link?"
18:25 <@Dagmar> I mean cripes
18:25 <@Dagmar> How thick can people be
18:33 < dwhess> I would have ordered pizza.
18:34 < dwhess> Volokh is committing slow suicide.  They are being taken over by the Washington Post.  I already hate the new layout.
18:35 <@eryc> never heard of em
18:39 < dwhess> legal blog which covers lots of civil rights issues.
18:40 < dwhess> Volokh himself is a specialist in 4th ammendment computer law
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18:56 <@Dagmar> http://lequaintrellenoir.tumblr.com/post/74045111070/im-meeting-with-this-person-today-wed-1-15-2014
18:56 < GateKeeper> Title: a sirene — I’m meeting with this person today (Wed 1/15/2014)... (at lequaintrellenoir.tumblr.com)
18:56 <@Dagmar> Ooo... drama!
18:59 <@Evilpig> doh!
19:00 <@Dagmar> Problem #1 is that if you think someone might "disappear" you, a blog post isn't going to help _you_.
19:00 <@Dagmar> ...a thug with a gun, on the other hand... relatively inexpensive to rent.
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19:03 <@Evilpig> time to troubleshoot this mouse.  Nurse!  my tools...
19:04 < dwhess> I only stopped using my old Logitech Bus mouse when ISA slots were not longer available.
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19:04 < dwhess> The cable kept breaking at the mouse because of no strain relief so I kept shortening it a couple inches at a time and resoldering it.  Luckily the cable started out way too long.
19:05 < dwhess> 1/2 million RPM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3t2390k5R8
19:05 < GateKeeper> Title: PMBO 2013 ~Russs Final Entry Video... OVER 1/2 Million RPM NEO Sphere Air Bearing With ABHA Coil. - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:06 <@Evilpig> my mx pro has developed a double clicking problem. and it's time to find out if it's the microswitch or the plastic has developed a divot
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19:07 < dwhess> I had that happen so I swapped the left button for the center button which I wasn't using anyway.
19:07 < dwhess> Then later I sacrificed a parts donor mouse.
19:10 <@Dagmar> Well you'll be excited to hear about the new developments in mice that have LASERS in them
19:10 < dwhess> hehe.
19:11 < dwhess> The laser part of those are mostly marketting.  The coherance length for a laser diode is so short that they are just using them as bright LEDs.
19:11 <@Dagmar> Yes, but they'll mouse accurately on your bare leg.
19:11 < dwhess> So will the LED ones.
19:12 < dwhess> Or carpet.
19:12 <@Evilpig> damnit.  this has a hidden catch
19:12 <@Dagmar> No, "regular" optical mice have issues with high light-dark disparity, and they are completely shit when it comes to mousing on glass
19:13 < dwhess> I have a couple of 660 cordless desktops and they came with wireless optical mice but now I like the G300.
19:14 < dwhess> My optical and laser mice perform identically but maybe the laser ones are just junk.
19:14 < dwhess> I even built a mouse calibration stand so they all have the same xy scale.
19:14 <@Evilpig> it's an indent on the primary button
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19:14 < dwhess> Oh, easy fix then?
19:14 <@Evilpig> now to find my good camera to document this
19:15 <@Evilpig> yeah a touch of superglue should have this fixed up
19:16 <@Evilpig> I should probably verify that the microswitch isn't a problem as well while I have teh cover off
19:23 <@Dagmar> Uploading yet another original rip to teh clouds
19:24 <@Dagmar> I really should automate the filtering of these cover scans
19:24 <@Dagmar> Some of these people have deranged ideas about what's acceptable... like progressive JPGs.  wtf
19:24 <@Dagmar> That's how you get album art that won't show up on shit
19:25 <@Dagmar> Hilariously, I just re-did this one because I somehow fucked up the rip I had of The Greater Wrong Of The Right, and the guy I bought this from on eBay apparently didn't realize he had the original German release
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20:54 <@brookshire> brimstone!
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21:15 < aestetix> wow that fart was stinky
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22:04 < aestetix> RangerZ: do not read the #hackinggender hashtag on twitter
22:05 < RangerZ> aestetix: http://imgur.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/xg7HaX8
22:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Just use girlfriend.getLaid() - Imgur (at imgur.com)
22:05 < RangerZ> I went looking through r/programmerhumor today, and that kept on showing up
22:07 < aestetix> I'll say this much
22:07 < aestetix> I don't think the bay area companies give a fuck about gender
22:07 < aestetix> they are looking to fuck over employees regardless
22:07 < RangerZ> women are just cheaper
22:07 < RangerZ> b/c they 'on average' don't fight for as much pay (don't know about bay area)
22:08 < aestetix> yep
22:08 < RangerZ> hell, if i was being Machiavellian, I'd _only_ hire females
22:08 < RangerZ> plus it would be great PR
22:09 <@dasunt> Speaking of which, I need to figure out what to do career wise.
22:10 <@dasunt> Just started a new job - temp, with perhaps an option to hire 2 months dow the road.
22:10 < aestetix> dasunt: come to the bay area
22:10 <@Evilpig> dasunt: move to the middle east, become a pimp.
22:10 < aestetix> or that
22:10 <@dasunt> :p
22:10 <@Evilpig> if you can't be a pimp, I hear there's oil there.  be an oil baron
22:10 <@dasunt> So, it's mostly desktop support.  Supposedly some server stuff.
22:10 < aestetix> how hard can it be to become a pimp
22:10 < aestetix> just get a herd of camels
22:10 <@dasunt> I'm wondering if I stick to desktop, if it'll lead to career stagnation.
22:10 <@Evilpig> i'd pay to see aestetix pimp slap camels
22:11 <@dasunt> OTOH, I've been doing temp work for awhile, so I'm thinking of sticking with this for a few years if they offer.
22:13 <@dasunt> Also, I need to figure out what the hell a sane salary would be if they offer.
22:14 <@dasunt> Difficulty:  No tiered helpdesk, server side stuff as well, plus I'm surounded by people which it would be very, very bad to screw up around.  ;)
22:18  * dasunt killed the discussion - wtf?
22:18 <@dasunt> Okay, back to your camel pimps.
22:21 < aestetix> penis
22:25 <@anarchival> Passing on the half-off sale on Android @ Manning, because electricity. :(
22:33 < InfoSecDog> brimstone, you around?
22:35 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> Oh holy shit
22:36 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> THere's some kind of forgotten temple out here
22:50 <@Corydon76-work> evilDagmar:  does the letter in the mailbox say "Welcome to Zork"?
23:05 <@anarchival> David Starkey's Elizabeth just finished torrenting. Woohoo! Take that, silly international IP restrictions!
23:05 <@NotLarry> aestetix: what is in the bay area?
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23:08 <@anarchival> Read me to sleep, Robert Powell. Read me to sleep.
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23:50 <@NotLarry> ok, now to figure out how much to ask for
23:53 <@SuMo_D> buy anything and get the second anything 1/2 off code smash it on Think Geek
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