--- Log opened Mon Jan 20 00:00:52 2014
00:04 < klixa> i went to get pie too Evilpig but they didnt have key lime :(
00:05 <@Evilpig> the crust on this one just destroyed it for me
00:06 < klixa> :?
00:06 < klixa> err :(
00:10 < RangerZ> Corydon76-work: its 1 kilo Calorie per liter of water per degree
00:11 < RangerZ> the 'calories' we see on boxes are those 'kilocalories'
00:11 < RangerZ> so 'ehh'
00:11 < RangerZ> hmm wait..
00:13 < RangerZ> no thats right, just sounded odd when i wrote it
00:14 < RangerZ> and you are correct, thats why some say that HFCs are actually so bad for us, because the body 'gets' 3x more calories than the tests show them giving us
00:15 < RangerZ> but if you can show something is non-digestible, you can remove it form the test (IIRC)
00:17 < RangerZ> hmm i don't know if that is a 'real' fact or not, or one of those 'facts' that get thrown around that isn't real, which is why i don't say it myself
00:17 < RangerZ> but it 'makes sense' enough to be a plant
00:25 < klixa> hfcs and table sugar are both bad... they are like cocaine... fruit is like coca leaves...
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01:54 <@NotLarry> klixa: what is wrong with cocaine?
02:18 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: this is why I usually make the comparison with red lead-based paint and yellow lead-based paint.
04:41 <@NotLarry> it is far too quiet in here.
05:33 < aestetix> vagina
05:35 <@NotLarry> this totally works for me - http://i.imgur.com/8Xk1Zen.png
05:59 <@Bahhumbug> Heh
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06:45 <@NotLarry> Not the first time I've heard this - http://i.imgur.com/SUcdJIF.jpg
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07:13 < aestetix> penis
07:14 < klixa> aestetix: motherf**ker, go back to bed it's only 4am....now i get why you act all tourettes-like
07:15 < aestetix> lol
07:15 < aestetix> They're just words :)
07:15 < klixa> oh yeah?
07:15 < aestetix> yep!
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07:28 <@NotLarry> Wow, came within 1 day of forgetting to cancel my free amazon prime trial
07:28 <@NotLarry> They are not even very powerful words
07:34 < aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-t8w08QNJM
07:34 < GateKeeper> Title: Koyaanisqatsi Movie Full Soundtrack - Phillip Glass (1982) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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08:56 < aestetix> SuMo_D: ping
08:57 <@SuMo_D> pong!
08:57 <@SuMo_D> DEATH MATCH PNG
08:57 < aestetix> uploading the yelp privacy video right now :)
08:57 <@SuMo_D> sweet, I'm trying to wake up and have a client coming by, seeing if I can get an example for the laser cutter running so might not be able to check it out till later
08:58 <@SuMo_D> but yea! go you!
08:58 <@SuMo_D> you're getting it done :)
08:58 < aestetix> it's 3 minutes long
08:58 < aestetix> come on
08:59 < aestetix> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7bswhccwa2df8jj/yelp-video.mp4
08:59 < aestetix> there you go
08:59 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - (at www.dropbox.com)
09:01 < aestetix> surely you can spare 3 minutes
09:06 <@SuMo_D> verily verily I say to you.... as I find my socks.... I shall
09:09 <@SuMo_D> looks good
09:09 <@SuMo_D> and I found my socks
09:10 < aestetix> yay
09:10 < aestetix> you watched it?
09:10 <@SuMo_D> yes
09:10 < aestetix> cool
09:10 < aestetix> did it give a decent explanation?
09:11 <@SuMo_D> I'm thinking maybe do more future casting questions to get the audience thinging, what if this happens? What changes? who has access? that kind of thing instead of this is, and this is happening and it should matter k
09:11 <@SuMo_D> yes
09:11 < aestetix> sure
09:11 <@SuMo_D> its decent :)
09:11 < aestetix> well
09:11 < aestetix> it's three minutes long :p
09:11 <@SuMo_D> yeah
09:12 <@SuMo_D> it is, but you can still poke people with 3 minutes
09:12 <@SuMo_D> ignite a question or two
09:12 < aestetix> hmmm maybe doing a followup video is a good idea
09:12 <@SuMo_D> it seems very direct transfer right now
09:12 <@SuMo_D> this is happening, you should care, that is all
09:13 <@SuMo_D> less engaging than some of the others
09:13 < aestetix> others?
09:13 <@SuMo_D> the nym rights
09:13 < aestetix> ah ok
09:13 <@SuMo_D> you're still doing awesome dude!
09:13 <@SuMo_D> and yea you're doing it!
09:14 < aestetix> I said I would ;)
09:14 <@SuMo_D> I know... but people say a lot of things :P
09:14 <@SuMo_D> anyway I gotta go client is going to be here soon
09:14 < aestetix> have fun
09:15 <@SuMo_D> Later glowable gator
09:15 <@SuMo_D> <<<< actually slept well last night and is feeling fresh
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10:00 < aestetix> vagina
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10:53 <@NotLarry> Any more video for me
10:58 <@Dagmar> Imma smack Dinnerbone.  heh
10:58 <@Dagmar> He's trying to give me shit for capturing the server logs from stdout when there's this shiny new logging mechanism built in, and doesn't see that I'm trying to re-solve half a dozen other things at the same time
10:59 <@Dagmar> I wanna be like "How about you close some fuckin' filehandles, mate!"
10:59 <@Dagmar> Maybe _actually_ make the server background properly as a daemon
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11:03 <@NotLarry> ok, league in taiwan
11:08 < aestetix> what's wrong with sing STDOUT?
11:08 < aestetix> using*
11:08 <@Dagmar> Not a fucking thing, but they're making it obsolete
11:09 < aestetix> Who is "they"?
11:09 <@Dagmar> Mojang
11:09 < aestetix> It seems like stdout will be around for a while.
11:09 <@Dagmar> https://gist.github.com/maruohon/7290185
11:09 < GateKeeper> Title: Minecraft server logging configuration file for Minecraft 1.7.2+ (at gist.github.com)
11:10 <@Dagmar> Also, as an aside, he can kinda kiss my ass for expecting me to be jumping all over a feature that has no documentation
11:14 <@eryc> are they moving to log4j?
11:14 <@Dagmar> Yes
11:15 <@eryc> that's convenient for log rotation
11:15 <@Dagmar> Yes, but in the meantime it's a pain in the ass
11:16 <@Dagmar> In their rush to clean things up, I think they arent' really keeping _how a daemon should behave_ in mind
11:17 <@Dagmar> Next time he gives me shit about it I'm definitely going to be "How about you close some fuckin' filehandles, yo?"
11:18 <@Dagmar> Stepping away from the filesystem entirely is out of the question for obvious reasons, but I still gotta deal with dese tings
11:32 < aestetix> god
11:32 < aestetix> must not hurt stupid people
11:33 < aestetix> A friend is deleting his old twitter post because they are angsty
11:33 < aestetix> Friend two is yelling at him for censorship
11:33 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure when you delete your own posts it's not censorship
11:34 <@brimstone> i think he's being foreced to do it against his will
11:34 <@brimstone> *forced
11:34 < aestetix> hm?
11:34 <@brimstone> now it's censorship
11:34 < aestetix> sure
11:35 <@brimstone> ask him if he's in duress
11:35 <@opticron> or in a dress
11:35 <@brimstone> i would be in duress in a dress
11:35 <@brimstone> then it would be a duress dress
11:36 <@NotLarry> damn, my ping to taiwan lol server was almost 300
11:37 <@NotLarry> Care with that dress
11:37  * NotLarry now has brimstone in a dress in his mind...
11:40 <@brimstone> easy buddy, i'm not cheap
11:50 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Here's our main problem http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/1319213/the-whole-story-behind-low-ap-cs-exam-stats
11:50 < GateKeeper> Title: The Whole Story Behind Low AP CS Exam Stats - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org)
11:51 <@Dagmar> Chicks just aren't coming out to coder-type things, and it starts far earlier than adulthood
11:52 <@Dagmar> Going apeshit on adult males, blaming them for running the women off (as some are wont to do) brutally ignores the actual problem
11:57 <@Dagmar> There's a cultural problem alright, but it's not nerd culture that's the problem.
12:08 < aestetix> god
12:08 < aestetix> "social media" is starting to cause a really big problem
12:09 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: when the news gets back to being about actual news and not finding the most creative way to spin a headline to generate outrage and ratings then we can worry about things like that
12:13 <@oddball> Evilpig: Wait... the news did that at one point?
12:14 <@Evilpig> it's been that long that america has forgot
12:15 < aestetix> uhhh
12:15 < aestetix> I don't know if the news ever actually did that.
12:16 <@oddball> I especially love how the news was focused for an entire week on the annivesary of the Tonya Harding thing.
12:16 < aestetix> Man
12:16 < aestetix> If that had happend in 2014
12:17 < aestetix> Twitter would be like "bitch get a kneepad"
12:18 < aestetix> Now this isn't to say we've had bright lights in news reporting over the years
12:18 < aestetix> er, haven't had
12:20 <@Evilpig> aestetix: when televised news first came about it was reporting the actual news.  it was a nightly community service
12:20 < aestetix> Hmm fair enough.
12:20 < aestetix> I would agree "news" has scaling issues.
12:21 <@Evilpig> oh for sur
12:21 <@Evilpig> but we are at the point of deliberately reporting technically correct facts as the news and leaving out bits to create sensationalism
12:22 < aestetix> oh wow
12:22 < aestetix> I just realied that kids today will never know the joy of watching LJ drama
12:23 <@Evilpig> they have twitter
12:23 < aestetix> Not the same, but yeah.
12:23 <@Evilpig> lj minus the wall o text
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12:23 < aestetix> I'm still trying to figure out whethey they called Nadim Obama, called him Hitler, or called Obama Hitler.
12:41 <@NotLarry> aestetix: I would argue that some news people once belived they did that.
12:43 <@Dagmar> Riddle: When is a child it's own parent?  When it's a fucking bash script apparentyl
12:44 <@Dagmar> sigchld is pretty fuckin' worthless to bash
12:54 <@NotLarry> Wow, I think I just became a misogynist.
12:54 <@NotLarry> Well, maybe not just.
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13:09 <@oddball> Ok... this is funny shit: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-tosses-molotov-window-fails-times-article-1.1579311
13:09 < GateKeeper> Title: Man tries tossing Molotov cocktail through window and fails — five times - NY Daily News (at www.nydailynews.com)
13:09 <@oddball> Not only does the window refuse to break... so does the bottle.
13:14 <@Dagmar> Safety glass, yo.
13:19 < aestetix> I wonder if old men farts smell differently than young dude farts.
13:19 < aestetix> Kinda like how water going through old pipes tastes differnent.
13:19 <@oddball> I love how he not only failed to hit/break the window, but also failed to break the *bottle* and the flame kept going out.  Do have to give him points for persistence, though.
13:21 < aestetix> Although I guess a colon cleansing might help with that.
13:22 < aestetix> Or maybe it's more like an iron pan, where all the old spices mix into the new gas
13:28 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I'll agree with you that the headline is designed to appeal to a problem that the subject of the article does not actually address, probably because news articles need views to pay for itself and "women are being discriminated against" is sexier than "kids aren't interested in computer science." Literally.
13:29 <@anarchival> Also, statistics are hard.
13:29 < aestetix> anarchival: what do you think?
13:30 <@anarchival> For example, if we graduated every sixth grader who is currently in school in Tennessee eventually into a computer science degree, we still would only meet 20% of the projected workforce demand for computer science-related jobs at the time they graduate college.
13:31 < aestetix> I guess it also depends on how often they fart. Someone who doesn't fart much is less likely to have lots of caked in spices.
13:31 <@anarchival> Instead of increasing the number of students taking computer science courses, we're actually decreasing the number of students taking computer science courses. In many places (including Tennessee) we're actually eliminating those classes entirely from the curriculum (partly due to the demands of standardized testing being the One True Measure of Scholastic Achievement nowadays).
13:32 < aestetix> It also depends on the texture of the poo.
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13:35 <@anarchival> There is actually a middle school opening here in Nashville that is designed to start teaching middle schoolers to seriously program; Jason Orendorff is organizing a sort of Code Day where local programmers will give presentations on various ways to teach programming, and then we're going to have a workshop with the teachers about Scratch. I'm presenting on the educational uses of Minecraft.
13:35 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Oh it's not even as complex as all that in most places
13:35 <@Dagmar> A general worship of mediocrity has a lot to do with it.
13:35 <@Dagmar> Also.... FOOTBALL!
13:35 <@Dagmar> My Jr. year of high school, I sort of begrudgingly took the class on BASIC.
13:35 <@anarchival> This is a small, drop-in-the-bucket type thing, but I am actually almost as interested in teaching little boys to program as I am little girls.
13:36 <@Dagmar> MInd you'd I'd been coding in BASIC (multiple variants) for like 4-5 years then
13:36 <@anarchival> The gender problem, however, is a separate, though related problem.
13:36 <@Dagmar> ...so I made a deal with the instructor: I'd do the assignments in Pascal instead
13:37 <@Dagmar> So that year me and three other guys (who'd mostly just started learning BASIC) went to the Mid Tenn high school programming contest
13:37 <@Dagmar> We took second place, by miles.
13:37 < aestetix> What is the gender problem?
13:37 <@anarchival> And frankly the drive behind many of the tactics you find so displeasing to make tech be a safer, more welcoming place for women are based on the negative experiences of women who have already entered the field and either been driven out of it or decided they would fight back against the never-ending bullshit.
13:37 <@Dagmar> The first place team had four guys who'd been programming for two to three years already, and they edged us out by about three seconds.
13:38 <@Dagmar> Since our jackass coaches told several of the football players that programming would be an easy class, six retards failed it
13:38 <@anarchival> aestetix: Women are represented in computer science professions in the single digits to the teens. Rarely, such as at conferences who really really try hard to get women out, it breaks into the twentieth percentile.
13:38 <@Dagmar> ...and since we couldn't admit those guys were stupid/lazy, the computer programming class was converted to a "Typing" class the next year
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13:38 <@Dagmar> ...because mediocrity apparently winds football games.
13:39 < aestetix> I'm curious how many female truckers there are.
13:39 <@Dagmar> s/winds/wins/
13:39 <@anarchival> aestetix: Since women represent about half the species, and participate in computer science professions at high percentages in other cultures, it's a problem that for some silly cultural reasons we're not taping all the human potential at our disposal.
13:39 <@anarchival> s/high/higher
13:39 <@Dagmar> Maybe if we could actually get them into the stuff formally to start with
13:39 <@Dagmar> ...because it's not like they're out there and leaving
13:40 <@Dagmar> They're not coming out to begin with
13:40 < aestetix> And how many female construction workers
13:40 <@anarchival> Yes, exactly. That's part of the problem.
13:40 < klixa> make computers pink and sparkly
13:40 <@anarchival> "Computer science is a guy thing" is almost as pernicious as "I'm going to rape you with my keyboard you fucking bitch"
13:40 < klixa> as absurd as my comment seems...im actually serious... all computer stuff is so male-ish
13:40 <@Dagmar> My college classes, despite the fact that MTSU had a SEVEN POINT SIX TO ONE female:male ratio on campus, had three girls out of 25 students.
13:40 < aestetix> On a similar note, how many men become english majors?
13:41 <@Dagmar> That was the one with the most girls in it
13:41 <@anarchival> klixa: As much as I hate pink-washing, if that's what it takes, I'll go along with it.
13:41 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Oh hey, that's where that statistic came from!
13:41 <@Dagmar> What statistic?
13:41 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I was talking about my college campus, not Nashville.
13:42 < klixa> anarchival: well things are starting to be more aestetically pleasing these days
13:42 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Remember when I told you that you're a reasonably attractive man with a job in a city with a 6:1 female to male ratio so I knew you could get laid if you really tried?
13:42 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure that is accurate for Nashville
13:42 <@anarchival> Dagmar: It's probably better that you don't. Never mind.
13:42 <@Dagmar> MTSU had a pretty severe shortage of males when I was going there
13:42 <@Dagmar> WKU was almost twice as bad
13:42 <@anarchival> Dagmar: No, that's just it. I must have picked that up while I was at MTSU.
13:43 <@Dagmar> It was practically unsafe to be wandering around that campus at night unescorted
13:43 <@Dagmar> One evening I drove up there to pick up the girl I was dating...
13:43 <@anarchival> Women are going to college in droves. They're truly kicking the asses of men at higher education. Which makes their reticence to enter computer science - surely a hot field, professsionally - that much more mysterious.
13:43 <@Dagmar> A chick tried to pick me up in the parking lot.  Another in the lobby.  ...and another in the same hall as the girl was in
13:44 < klixa> lol..Dagmar the stuf
13:44 < klixa> stud*
13:44 <@anarchival> And yes, women are leaving computer science. The ones who actually graduate with degrees don't stay in the field for more than a few years.
13:44 <@Dagmar> klixa: WKU was slightly over fourteen to one
13:44 < klixa> anarchival: women dont like computer science cause beige, math and mostly ugly men
13:44 <@anarchival> And I can tell you that male bullshit was the reason I left, hands down.
13:44 <@Dagmar> ...and more in the middle of nowhere than Murfreesboro
13:44 < aestetix> What is "male bullshit"?
13:45 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Oh you kno, the shit she attributes to geeks despite the fact that it's more common among "bro" types
13:45 < aestetix> oh
13:46 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Do you consider yourself a nerd, a geek, a bro, or just a pimp?
13:46 < klixa> cyberpunk
13:46 < klixa> that's what i consider him anyway...lol
13:47 <@Dagmar> klixa++
13:47 < klixa> :)
13:47 <@Dagmar> fuck bash
13:47 <@Dagmar> I turn on fucking job control so sigchld does something, java promptly starts asking like I'm telling to run a marathon on the moon and dies
13:48 <@anarchival> aestetix: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Male_Programmer_Privilege_Checklist
13:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Male Programmer Privilege Checklist - Geek Feminism Wiki (at geekfeminism.wikia.com)
13:48 <@Dagmar> I *don't* turn on job control, and it simply doesn't catch sigchld
13:48 < aestetix> anarchival: what makes you think I haven't already seen/read that?
13:48 <@anarchival> aestetix: Well, you asked the question, "what sort of behavior," which led me to believe you found the idea of men's bad behavior a new concept.
13:49 <@Dagmar> "privilege".  It's so much nicer than calling it "slut shaming"
13:49 <@anarchival> aestetix: That's a pretty thorough list.
13:49  * aestetix notes the absence of a "female privilege" checklist
13:49 <@Dagmar> Oh we can draft one
13:49 <@Dagmar> Normally, blaming someone for things that they had nothing to do with would be considered nonsensical bullshit.
13:50 <@Dagmar> ...but call it a "privilege check" and suddenly everyone's okay with it.
13:50  * Dagmar warms up the chainsaw.
13:50 < aestetix> anarchival: Do you believe in fair treatment for trans-women, or only people born women?
13:50 <@anarchival> Dagmar: You've done more than a few of the things on that list. Towards me. Fifteen years ago, and now.
13:50 <@Dagmar> The list is so broad sweeping DEAD people have probably done a few of those things
13:51 < klixa> ha
13:51 <@rattle> Anyone here go to Shmoo?
13:51 < aestetix> rattle: nope
13:51 <@Dagmar> If you're upset that I couldn't remember your name, that puts you in a group with literally THOUSANDS of other people
13:51 < aestetix> rattle: too soon after Congress
13:52 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Yeah, sure. The truth is you're proud to be as chauvinist as you please and don't have any intention of changing, least of all to make women feel more comfortable around 2600. In your mind they exist to fuck, not to hack with. If they aren't good for that, you've got no use for them.
13:52 <@Dagmar> I am not a chauvinist.
13:52 <@Dagmar> I am a gentleman.
13:52 < klixa> anarchival: that's a pretty serious accusation... do you have orate thatanything to corrob
13:52 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I'm not referring to not remembering my name. I'm terrible at not remembering names, either. I'm actually not so sensitive that I take offense to that.
13:52 < klixa> ack, random mouse insertion fail
13:53 <@Dagmar> Blaming someone for having a policy of being protective and amenable to the other gender is also another one of those insane things
13:53 < klixa> do you have anything to corroborate that*
13:53 <@Dagmar> I recall you commenting on how Dru and I generally had a hot girlfriend with us
13:53 <@anarchival> s/either/too
13:53 <@Dagmar> Being a gentlemen is how that happens.
13:53 < klixa> is Dru still around Dagmar?
13:53 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Yeah, where did all the women go?
13:54 <@rattle> tru dat
13:54  * aestetix is waiting for the "r" word to be dropped
13:54 <@Dagmar> ...and if I had acted like a pig with Margaret, she'd have cut me and everyone knew it
13:54 <@anarchival> I know you guys like to talk about how rare they are at 2600, but back when I was last involved, there were actually quite a few of them.
13:54 <@rattle> TRU DAT :)
13:54 <@anarchival> Most of them weren't just girlfriends, but hackers in their own right.
13:54 <@Dagmar> anarchival: I got stupid and decided to put career before women
13:54 <@anarchival> So where did they all go?
13:54 <@anarchival> They don't even seem to be participating at a distance, like Dolemite and Wilpig.
13:54 <@anarchival> What happened?
13:54 <@Dagmar> LIst 'em
13:54 < aestetix> anarchival: did they have kids?
13:55 <@Dagmar> I never saw a meeting with more than three of 'em
13:55 < aestetix> That usually makes folks (men and women) drop away
13:55 <@anarchival> I remember five, six if you counted me.
13:56 < klixa> anarchival: what the hell did he do to you for you to care 15 years later?
13:56 < klixa> fun fact: 15 years is a long time
13:56 <@anarchival> And hey, maybe it was just life. People change jobs, start families, decide that spending their Friday night at 2600 or hanging out in IRC is juvenile and pointless...
13:57 <@anarchival> klixa: I appreciate you have a crush on Dagmar, which are more than welcome to maintain. This is between me and him, thanks.
13:57 < aestetix> anarchival: if that's the case, I recommend using the irc command "/msg"
13:57 < klixa> anarchival: wow... you are complainging about men treating women bad and now YOU did it
13:57 < klixa> that was a bitch move
13:57 <@anarchival> And hey, maybe the fact that I said the words "Code of Conduct" has coloured my entire return to this group...
13:58 <@anarchival> But frankly I can't blame any woman for not wanting to hang out with you guys, the way you talk about women.
13:58 < aestetix> .... how do we talk about women?
13:58 <@anarchival> klixa: I'm not trying to treat you bad, I'm telling you to please not get involved in a fight between me and Dagmar.
13:59 <@anarchival> aestetix: Really?
13:59 <@brimstone> well, on the plus side, with anarchival and klixa here, it's not #seWoW anymore
13:59 < klixa> anarchival: its happening RIGHT in front of me...and I was curious what it's about
13:59 < aestetix> Yes. Examples, please.
13:59 < klixa> if you dont want to be asked things, pm him
13:59 < aestetix> Most of what Dagmar says in here, afaict, is bitching about his job :p
14:00 < klixa> anarchival: what you said would be like if i said "you're just mad at him cause he dissed you" or some other lame bitchy comment
14:00 < klixa> dissed/s/wouldnt fuck you*
14:00 <@anarchival> aestetix: let's put women in boxes and ship them to other states. let's call them whores and talk about them playing strip poker behind their backs. let's talk about how we fap to them and shake money at them
14:00 < aestetix> I don't mind being told I treat women badly, provided there is evidence to back it up.
14:00 < aestetix> what?
14:01 < klixa> anarchival: i don't see the issue with men being attracted to women...
14:01 <@anarchival> aestetix: let's post shit from virulent misogynists and chat about how much we sympathize. let's criticize feminism and feminists at every damn opportunity and talk about how involving women in tech isn't REALLY a problem
14:01 <@Evilpig> if it was being talked about behind your back it wouldn't have been there for you to see it
14:01  * oddball reads scrollback
14:01 <@Evilpig> and instead of blaming aestetix for things i've said you should direct them at me
14:01 < aestetix> Uh.
14:01 <@anarchival> aestetix: these are just a few examples I can think of in the past 48 hours. let's not even talk about the bullshit of last month
14:01  * oddball scans that list.
14:02 < aestetix> I will point out that I call the idiots "fauxminists" specifically to avoid criticizing feminists, who I actually support.
14:02 < klixa> Evilpig: i am mad about your bigotte treatment of key lime pie with non gram cracker crust :|
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14:02 <@anarchival> Evilpig: I'm not blaming aestetix. He asked me for examples of the things that have been said in the channel which might make a woman feel unwelcome, and I'm giving them.
14:02 <@Dagmar> Okay.  Fuck this shit.  It's going to have to be perl.
14:02 <@oddball> wow... a lot of those points are straight up "I'm super insecure about myself" issues.
14:02 <@Evilpig> klixa: it isn't good.
14:02 < klixa> Evilpig: oh. no. you. didn't.
14:03 <@Dagmar> anarchival: How about we stick with the current plan of blowing things wildly out of proportion and blaming the wrong people entirely before we move onto any new ground
14:03 < klixa> anarchival: " shake money at them was said after YOU said you wanted to be a stripper...CONTEXT
14:03 <@oddball> Some are valid... some are someone that doesn't like that the english language defaults to the masculine because it doesn't have a proper neutral, and some are literally "this guy just made a joke about his mom... is he actually talking about me?"
14:03 <@Dagmar> Case in point: "talk about how involving women in tech isn't REALLY a problem" <-- no one's been doing this
14:04 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Sure, that goes along with your general dismissive and condescending attitude towards anything that doesn't suit what you think this group should be.
14:04 <@Dagmar> Case in point: "let's criticize feminism and feminists at every damn opportunity" <-- we berate fauxminists, becauase they're creating an even bigger problem
14:04 <@Dagmar> I could go on
14:04 <@Evilpig> klixa: in all honesty anytime you mention stripper i'll shake money at it
14:04 <@Evilpig> and many times when I just thought about it
14:04 <@anarchival> Listen, guys: I came back to 2600 with the goal of helping with PN. I had heard that you were struggling with fundraising and promotion and might need some help to make it awesome after Trevor gutted the thing.
14:05 <@anarchival> I was finally in a position to help with that this year.
14:05 <@Dagmar> Pounding on the people *in* tech about the lack of women isn't going to accomplish much, because we generally agree there needs to be more females.
14:05 <@anarchival> I've decided after my reception, however, that I've got much better things to do with my time that force myself on a bunch of people who obviously don't want me around.
14:05 <@Dagmar> POund on the "normal" people who are discouraging them from signing up for the Geek Express Card to begin with
14:05 <@brimstone> anarchival: don't let the voices of the few mislead you to the needs of the many
14:05 <@Dagmar> THOSE are the people who are the majority of the problem
14:06 < klixa> anarchival: you know..there are many places where the guys woudlnt even BOTHER to argue with you..honestly i think you are being treated  more than fair here
14:06 <@anarchival> So you're safe. You'll probably still have a Code of Conduct, because that actually wasn't my idea, but calm the fuck down. You don't have to fight me any longer. 2600 will remain exactly what it's been for however many years.
14:06 <@anarchival> klixa: I never said I wanted to be a stripper. I said I'd considered it, after my mother was dying and I had to pay the bills as a teenager. CONTEXT
14:07 <@Dagmar> Stop trying to solve non-problems and gettinng pissed when no one helps
14:07 < aestetix> What's wrong with being a stripper?
14:07 < klixa> anarchival: you said it in a room full of men tho
14:07 <@anarchival> Dagmar: You just did it. YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW INVOLVING WOMEN IN TECH ISN'T REALLY A PROBLEM.
14:07 < klixa> you CANT talk about sex/nudity/etc in a group of men as a woman and not expect comments
14:07 <@anarchival> For fuck's sake.
14:07 < aestetix> klixa: ok this might be an example of a thing where I live in a carefully cultivated bubble
14:07 <@Dagmar> We generally _behave_.  Acting like we had a burning need for a feminist-friendly code of conduct wasn't likely to fly because it's a waste of time and requires an implication that we've had a bunch of incidents or something
14:08 <@Dagmar> anarchival I did no such thing
14:08 < klixa> MY gawd...he quited you
14:08 <@Dagmar> Stop listening to whatever the fuck that third voice in your head is saying
14:08 < klixa> quoted*
14:09 <@anarchival> Dagmar: You consider it a non-problem. The officers and members I'd spoken about it to before coming back, who I frankly respect more than you, disagreed.
14:09 < aestetix> anarchival: perhaps you could volunteer to be a "safe space" coordinator to ensure that PhreakNIC is welcoming to people you want to bring?
14:09 <@Dagmar> THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES
14:09 < aestetix> Although I hate the term "safe space"
14:09 <@anarchival> klixa: Yeah, it's dangerous being female in a room full of men, isn't it?
14:09 < klixa> aestetix: my comment was nothign to do with the morality of being a stripper... just that if you make a statement about maybe becomuing one...then a comment about wiaving money is in context
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14:10 < klixa> anarchival: not dangerous... you cant deliberate say things that attract men and not expect them to work
14:10 <@anarchival> klixa: I've actually been in rooms full of men and discussed these topics and had a perfectly nice conversation, but those men were actually men and not overgrown boys.
14:10 < klixa> its like if a man says "i have a lot of money and want a wife"
14:10 < klixa> or whatever appealw to woemn
14:10 < klixa> women*
14:10 < klixa> anarchival: anyone engaging in a sexual convo with you had *bad* thoughts
14:10 <@Dagmar> Our lack of a feminist-friendly code of conduct is *not* causing the shortage of women in tech.
14:10 < klixa> maybe they didnt say anything...but they were thinking it
14:10 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I've frankly wondered if there haven't already been incidents, and that's why all the women disappeared, but that's just wild speculation at this point.
14:10 <@Dagmar> We're just not that fucking important.
14:10 < klixa> at least when people SAY stuff you know where things stand
14:11 <@Dagmar> You might as well blame the lack of a bagel-friendly code of conduct for the lack of sentient bagels.
14:11 < klixa> instead of them acting like sympathetic beta weasels
14:11 <@Dagmar> anarchival: yes, that IS making shit up
14:11 <@Evilpig> the women haven't disappeared.  they weren't ever really heavily represented to begin with
14:11 <@anarchival> aestetix: I really can't trust these guys to behave after this experience.
14:11 <@brimstone> can't lose what you never had
14:11 < aestetix> What experience?
14:11 <@Dagmar> Yes, do tell
14:11 < aestetix> I sense I've missed something here.
14:11 <@anarchival> aestetix: Not to mention I really do have other conferences and shit to organize this year. My nostalgia for 2600 only goes so far.
14:12 <@Dagmar> You're basically running around yelling "STOP SETTING WOMEN ON FIRE" "STOP SETTING WOMEN ON FIRE" and we're just staring at you thinking "Someone's on fire?"
14:12 <@Evilpig> aestetix: you haven't missed anything.  martyr on mission
14:12 < aestetix> Well, I *can* be quite oblivious.
14:12 < klixa> Ok, good its not just me that is confused
14:12 <@Dagmar> We set bottle rockets on fire.  Sometimes cigarettes, occasionally bongs.
14:12 <@Dagmar> Not people.
14:13 <@anarchival> klixa: I'm not the thought police. As long as someone acts like a grown up I'm cool with them.
14:13 < aestetix> I will say this though
14:13 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: not that the idea of setting a few on fire hasn't seemed like a good idea
14:13 < aestetix> I've never seen anything at PhreakNIC that wasn't fully consentual.
14:13 < klixa> anarchival: i have not seen anything in this channel that botehrs me/...and you have yet to cite specific incidents
14:13 < aestetix> I can't say the same thing about DefCon
14:13 <@anarchival> Evilpig: There might not have been many, but there were some, and they are no longer here. That's my point.
14:14 <@Evilpig> many have moved, some were dating people in the scene and moved on, if you don';t have them to begin with they aren't there to bring their friends and other interested folks
14:14 <@Dagmar> anarchival: There's a lot of *guys* who no longer attend meetings either.
14:14 < klixa> the worst thing said to me in this channel anarchival, was from you...i mean MAYBE i didnt want Dagmar knowing i have a crush on him and have all my walls covered in pictures of him and have stolen samples of his hair so i can clone him :/
14:14 <@Dagmar> Probably far more guys actually
14:14 <@Evilpig> you're trying to grow wheat from corn seed
14:14 <@Dagmar> wat
14:15 < aestetix> klixa: you too?
14:15 <@anarchival> klixa: Sure, but you welcome sexual attention.
14:15 <@Dagmar> I'm going to assume that's sarcasm... or I'm not getting much sleep for awhile
14:15 < aestetix> I even had his name embroidered on my cumrag
14:15 < klixa> aestetix: :D
14:15 <@anarchival> klixa: and you obviously think the way these guys "flirt" is much more charming than I do.
14:15 <@Dagmar> I think you confuse trading barbs with flirting.
14:15 < klixa> anarchival: i havent seen them flirt...i have seen them being guys... the way everyone in every channel of freenode is
14:16  * Evilpig googles flirting
14:16 <@anarchival> klixa: Darling, no one in this channel has any doubts about how much you like Dagmar.
14:16 <@rattle> I would like to have a private meeting in a dark alley with anyone considering cloning Dagmar.
14:16 <@Evilpig> rattle: you want one of your own?
14:16 <@rattle> Dagmar: No offense.  One of you is enough.
14:16 <@Dagmar> Step number one to determining whether or not this is true would be to ask yourself, "Was Dagmar flirting with me?"
14:16 <@anarchival> Dagmar: What we do is trading barbs. What you and klixa do is flirting.
14:16 <@Dagmar> The answer is "No."
14:17 <@Dagmar> Any other answer would represent a misidentification and misattribution of motive.
14:17 < klixa> anarchival: you're insane
14:17 <@anarchival> klixa: Quite, yes.
14:17 <@Dagmar> I don't flirt on IRC because I've no interest in meeting Mr. Hansen
14:17 <@Evilpig> that's all NotLarry 
14:17 < aestetix> Mr. Hansen?
14:17 <@Dagmar> "Have a seat right over there"
14:17 <@Evilpig> I wish I had saved that link from last week.  
14:17 <@Dagmar> Chris Hansen.
14:18 <@rattle> He does aim young..
14:18 <@Evilpig> I have my doubts about teens on irc these days.  they have so many other avenues available now that are far more entertaining 
14:18 <@Dagmar> ...like, apparently churning out and trading questionable bathroom selfie pics
14:19 <@Evilpig> http://25.media.tumblr.com/gXO4eDo3wjcvpoytj1DzuIGJo1_250.gif
14:19 <@Dagmar> Not even
14:19 <@Evilpig> chickshit
14:20 <@Evilpig> chickenshit*
14:20 <@Dagmar> That probably needs a NSFW qualifier on it
14:20 <@Evilpig> nope
14:20 < aestetix> You know
14:20 < aestetix> Now that I think of it, the only pereson I ever ask sexual things directly to is Corydon76-work
14:20 <@Dagmar> I say "questionable bathroom selfie" and you immediately pop back with a tumblr gif
14:20 <@Dagmar> No way am I opening that at work
14:20 <@Evilpig> in my defense I started looking for it earlier
14:20 < aestetix> And that's because he actually answers my wierd questions
14:21 <@Dagmar> aestetix: This is what I find bizarre about this whole mess
14:21 <@opticron> I opened it at work because I give no fucks, it's just creepy chris hansen
14:21 <@Evilpig> I need to tinyurl that or something.  keep it handy
14:21 <@Dagmar> He's probably the most aggressive one of us, and even he's not in the habit of being particularly inappropriate towards women
14:21 < aestetix> I will admit, sometimes I ask some pretty twisted and fucked up questions
14:21 <@anarchival> aestetix: Corydon76-work is a shameless flirt, he actually makes me laugh.
14:22  * klixa is offended by the diminutive term of "darling" that she was called by anarchival
14:22 < aestetix> Like for example, if you soak one guys balls in wax, and another ones in paint, which ballsack will burn faster?
14:22  * Dagmar types /clear
14:22 <@Evilpig> klixa: that's what I call waitresses
14:22 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I've never noticed him making any sort of advance towards a woman, but then, there aren't many around and he's got plenty of other guys to focus on.
14:22 < klixa> Evilpig: you're a man, you can call me whatever you want...but HOW DARE A WOMAN DO IT!!!
14:23 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: having no shame means nobody can blackmail you
14:23 < klixa> i think anarchival must have a crush on me o_O
14:23 <@Corydon76-work> There's method to my madness
14:23 <@anarchival> klixa: You are just like one of the guys!
14:24 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: have you ever put anything in your eurethra?
14:24 <@Corydon76-work> btw, I just picked up 7 old rackmount servers for $80
14:24 -ChanServ:#se2600- Evilpig (Wilpig) set flags +AORiorstv on klixa.
14:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
14:24 <@klixa> anarchival: i know...now play strip poker with yourself so i can fap to it :|
14:24 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: He'll probably be happy to be rid of them
14:24 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yea, verily. Amen.
14:24 <@Dagmar> You wouldn't happen to want a 35" TV would you?  :)
14:24 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: No, and after someone related to me what it feels like to have an erection with a catheter in there, I will likely never..
14:25 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: P3 1GHz machines
14:25 <@Evilpig> I don't even want to picture that
14:25 < aestetix> Not even a sounding rod?
14:25 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: So you'd agree I wasn't out of line offering the prep nurse $20 to make sure the catheter was gone before I woke up then
14:25 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Give it to sophrinix, he needs one.
14:25 <@Dagmar> If he really wants a giant-ass TV, I have one i've been needing to get rid of
14:25 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: No, I agree with that
14:26 <@Dagmar> The motherfucker weighs about 75 pounds.
14:26 <@Dagmar> Great picture tho
14:26 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I don't know how much he actually wants one, but he just moved into his new apartment and doesn't have a TV yet, so you should check with him.
14:26 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: is it flat screen, with VGA inputs?
14:26 <@Dagmar> I certainly calibrated the goddamn thing enough to know
14:26 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: No, it's a very large (although rather modern) CRT.
14:27 <@Dagmar> They don't typically manage flat very well at that scale.  It's "flattish"
14:27 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: what's the farthest you've ever ejaculated?
14:27 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: as long as it works and you want it gone take it to goodwill and drop it off
14:27 <@oddball> Dagmar: That's not heavy.  My last TV was 250lbs.
14:27 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I've very nearly gotten rid of my last CRT
14:27 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I think they don't take CRTs anymore
14:27 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: for distance or height?
14:27 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: they do
14:28 <@Evilpig> I took them a few when I moved up here
14:28 < aestetix> I was thinking distance, but do you have different answers for them?
14:28 <@Dagmar> Also there's the small matter of it's not safe to put it in my car
14:28 -!- dwhess [~dwhess@99-28-88-26.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600
14:28 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Sure, height is more difficult, because you're going directly against gravity
14:28 <@Dagmar> I just *barely* got it home in that car.  It took up all the front passenger's seat and about a third of the driver's seat space
14:28 <@Evilpig> lol
14:29 <@Corydon76-work> For height, 3 feet, but it's been over 10 years since I did that
14:29 <@Evilpig> well you shoudl have said something befor I left town
14:29 < aestetix> wow
14:29 <@Corydon76-work> Scared the bejeezus out of a guy
14:29 <@Evilpig> dwhess: st louis is a little out of the se isn't it?  welcome to the war zone in any case
14:29 <@brimstone> hi dwhess!
14:30 < dwhess> Have to go where the hackers are.
14:30 <@Corydon76-work> I seriously doubt I could do that again
14:30 <@brimstone> *male hackers
14:30 <@Evilpig> none here just a bunch of swingin' dicks
14:30 <@brimstone> no female hackers here
14:30  * anarchival glares at brimstone because she is STILL HERE.
14:30 <@brimstone> (that's the joke)
14:30  * Evilpig issues anarchival a cock
14:30 <@Corydon76-work> brimstone: So I hear you like having your testicles stomped on
14:30 < aestetix> anarchival: I could ask you some questions if you want
14:31 < aestetix> Although I doubt you've ejaculated higher than 3 feet, no offense
14:31 <@anarchival> Evilpig: That actually happened to Eliza Brock at the Ruby meetup.
14:31 <@Dagmar> er...
14:31 <@brimstone> they gave her a penis?
14:31 <@Dagmar> That's a better interpretation than what I had in mind
14:31 <@anarchival> Evilpig: When they were finally done with their hazing and decided to accept her, they took her to Hustler and bought her a dildo so she would have a penis. "One of them now"
14:32 <@oddball> Damn... the market for ARs has officially crashed.  All the parts to build one for $434: http://www.slickguns.com/product/complete-ar15-rifle-41997-plus-14-sh
14:32 < GateKeeper> Title: Complete AR15 Rifle - $419.97 + $14 S/H | Slickguns (at www.slickguns.com)
14:32 <@anarchival> oddball: I
14:32 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: damn, you think they'd buy me one?
14:32 <@Dagmar> Hazing... Hmm...
14:32 <@anarchival> oddball: I'm still tricking out my 10-22.
14:33 < aestetix> http://www.salon.com/2014/01/17/elisabeth_hasselbeck_are_feminists_and_wussy_men_a_threat_to_national_security/
14:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Elisabeth Hasselbeck: Are feminists and wussy men a threat to national security? - Salon.com (at www.salon.com)
14:33 <@klixa> aestetix: i dont even have to read it...YES
14:33 <@klixa> they are a threat
14:33 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Why do you need two? That's just greedy.
14:33 <@Corydon76-work> Two dildos?
14:33 <@Evilpig> anarchival: cause that guy on reddit already set the bar at 2
14:33 <@Dagmar> Isn't that the crazy woman who was talking about Jesus celebrating the first Easter?
14:33  * anarchival hopes that Corydon76-work doesn't actually explain why he needs two, because there are probably applications...
14:33 <@oddball> anarchival: One bit of warning, Palmetto State Armory is known for making good things, but taking forever and a day to actually get stuff to you.
14:34 <@oddball> And define "tricking out" your 10/22?
14:34 < aestetix> anarchival: have you ever used a sounding rod?
14:34 <@anarchival> National security is why I'm a militant feminist. VALERIE SOLANAS LIVES.
14:34 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: eventually, my dick is going to stop working, and if I want to continue having sex, I'm going to need to train my ass to accept a dick
14:34 <@Dagmar> She's got at lesat part of a point
14:35 <@Dagmar> Assholes galore are ready and waiting to accuse anyone seen doing anything particualrly macho as "hostile"
14:35 <@Dagmar> Also, no one has beaten Justin Bieber into a coma
14:35 <@klixa> >woman claims to not like it when men insult women >claims to be feminist >insults only other female in room
14:35 <@klixa> conclusion...feminists- crazy
14:35 <@klixa> =*
14:35 < aestetix> klixa: do a search for "radical feminism"
14:35 <@anarchival> klixa: oh, you're a feminist? I didn't even realize.
14:36 <@Dagmar> Yes, she seems so darned *reasnable*
14:36 <@klixa> anarchival: i wasn't talking to you i was talking ABOUT you
14:36 <@anarchival> klixa: I thought you were talking about yourself? Are you sure?
14:36  * anarchival feels the warm bonds of Sisterhood with klixa.
14:37 <@Corydon76-work> Anybody know of a particularly cheap source of 19" rack shelves?
14:37 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Damn you for reminding me that I should get a server rack.
14:38 <@anarchival> oddball: I refer you to: http://www.amazon.com/Customize-Ruger-10-James-House-ebook/dp/B0056JSL9M/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1390246666&sr=8-7&keywords=ruger+10-22
14:38 <@anarchival> oddball: It's a good start. You could kill every squirrel in the neighborhood with that.
14:38 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Nothing in that space is cheap unless you go to Home Depot and you're handy with a saw
14:38 <@oddball> Ok... I meant what mods are *you* planning on performing on yours?
14:38 <@rattle> In other news..  If Justin Beiber is formally charged and convicted of that felony vandalism charge, he can be deported.
14:39 <@rattle> Let us pray..
14:39 < dwhess> <oddball> And define "tricking out" your 10/22?
14:39 <@anarchival> Feminists: the one thing that can make Dagmar consider the culture of war to be sort of valid.
14:39 < dwhess> Adding that thing which goes up.
14:39 <@oddball> I've got a Marlin 795 that I've set up to the point to comfortably say that if you do your job, it'll do it's.
14:39  * klixa thinks anarchival is the one with the crush and was projecting
14:39 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: I've actually drilled out the holes for the vertical L-brackets for a rack.
14:40 <@oddball> dwhess: :D
14:40 <@Evilpig> klixa: shhhh. just kiss
14:40 <@Evilpig> oh and here's this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xljA6zJn4I
14:40 < GateKeeper> Title: Ron Jeremy on a Wrecking Ball - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:40 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: and while I can make a "shelf" with an amount of sheet metal, it's not like it'll have the lovely holes to increase air flow
14:40 <@anarchival> rattle: wait, what? The Bieber committed a CRIME?!
14:41 <@Corydon76-work> rattle: That would be so f'in hilarious
14:41 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: you didn't hear about the egging incident?
14:42 <@klixa> anarchival: he tp-ed a house in calabassas
14:42 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Nope. When I'm not actually working, I'm in here. I've taken a break from consuming the entirety of Twitter.
14:42 <@klixa> speaking of the bieber...the look on his face at the floyd mayweather fight was hilarious...i think he was high
14:42 <@Corydon76-work> He egged a neighbor's door, causing several thousand dollars worth of damage.
14:42 <@Dagmar> Somehow, the egging has done $20,000 in damages
14:42 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: oh eggs? my bad
14:43 <@Dagmar> ...which tells us that he's a douche, and his neighbors are also douches.
14:43 <@Corydon76-work> IIRC, vandalism causing more than $100 in damage is a felony.
14:43 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: So basically he did the same shit every Mormon kid in my Ward did in high school? Yawn.
14:43 <@Catonic> noway
14:43 <@klixa> Prices are highly inflated in calabassas
14:43 <@Catonic> you'd hit misdemeanor first
14:43 <@klixa> except dog tags
14:43 <@anarchival> $20K in damages is pretty impressive, though. Must have been some door. Or maybe they just think Bieber has it.
14:43 <@klixa> it was only $20 to register my dog in calabassas
14:43 <@Corydon76-work> Catonic: my understanding is that damage under $100 is a misdemeanor
14:43 <@Dagmar> I can't help but wonder WTF the cops were expecting to find
14:44 <@Dagmar> Maryland farms egg baskets?
14:44 <@oddball> anarchival: I highly recommend the Sweet22 scope.  It's a damn good scope for the money, and has distance hashes marked off on the elevation castle to compensate for bullet drop.
14:44 <@Catonic> who the fuck... can run up $20K cleaning organic material off a door?
14:44 <@Catonic> Corydon76-work: dem laws be fucked then
14:44  * anarchival bookmarks the Sweet22 scope. Thanks, oddball!
14:44 <@Dagmar> Catonic: Maybe people who insist on using YSL wipes?
14:44 <@Catonic> in al, violation is up to $250, and/or 30 days of jail
14:44 <@Corydon76-work> Catonic: the purpose of the laws is supposed to be deterrent
14:44 <@Dagmar> Perhaps D*G bottled water in the sprayers?
14:44 <@Catonic> misdemeanor is $251 - $2000, up to 2 yrs jail..
14:45 <@Catonic> felony is 2+ years of jail, $2K+
14:45 <@klixa> anarchival: this is why i am not a feminist https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1236823_236310819884451_1285816057_n.jpg
14:45 <@Corydon76-work> Or perhaps the rarified paint didn't stand up to the eggs, and they needed a new can of the designer paint
14:45 <@anarchival> klixa: Make up your mind.
14:45 <@Evilpig> Catonic: how does the US government manage to spend $1k-$10k on something like a hammer?
14:45 <@klixa> anarchival: i NEVER said i was a feminist...damn i was kidding about you being crazy...but now...
14:45 <@Corydon76-work> and thanks to paint suppliers still not being able to match colors, you've got to repaint the whole area to match
14:46 <@oddball> Also, if you want to replace the stock with a new wood one... Boyds makes some nice stocks, and if they say "drop in," they damn well mean it.
14:46 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: That's cheap.  Hammers ran $40k back in the 80s
14:46 <@Dagmar> CorydonL That's why you use the paint-matching system and a sponge brush (and learn to feather)
14:47 <@Corydon76-work> Of which 10% was refunded thanks to a congressional investigation
14:47 <@anarchival> klixa: (01:35:35 PM) klixa: >woman claims to not like it when men insult women >claims to be feminist >insults only other female in room
14:47 <@klixa> anarchival: yeah that was about YOU...abotu what YOU did
14:47 <@anarchival> klixa: It's okay. Short-term memory loss is pretty common when you're caring for an infant.
14:47 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: if you're interested in charging your bratty neighbor with a crime, making the repairs cheap is probably not a priority
14:47 <@Dagmar> Yeah but $20k is ludicrous
14:48 <@Corydon76-work> I suspect the dollar amount is intended to get Bieber thrown out by the homeowner's association
14:48 <@Dagmar> That's kind of flirting with being slapped around by the cops for providing false and misleading statemets
14:48 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, I'm sure they have documentation...
14:48 <@Corydon76-work> That shit is easy to forge when the painter is your buddy
14:48 <@Dagmar> Oh I'm sure they have *some* of the documentation
14:49 <@Corydon76-work> The painter probably will end up being an extra in their next movie
14:49 <@anarchival> It's possible it's a $20K door, if they are his neighbors.
14:49 <@Dagmar> ...and if the egg was frozen and fired out of a small cannon
14:49 <@anarchival> Rich people. Psht.
14:49 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: yeah, but expensive paint made the only sense to me.  Who replaces a whole door?
14:50 <@Dagmar> A hand-thrown egg is unlikely to damage any but the most insubstantial of window panes
14:50 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: eggs out of a potato gun.  hehe that sounds like fun
14:50 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: I suspect the egg would shatter before clearing the barrel
14:50 <@anarchival> "the eggs ruined the 2,000 year old patina of the ancient red oak carved by Buddhist monks and finished with the blood of virgins"
14:50 <@Dagmar> Someone would have to let that stuff sit baking in the sun for a couple days before it would take more than a common hosepipe to clean up
14:50 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: oh it would for sure.  it'd be a cloud of mess
14:51 <@Corydon76-work> Plus, the explosion would likely hard boil the egg instantly
14:51 < dwhess> Evilpig, by buying a non-sparking hammer for dangerous atmospheres that is made out of beryllium copper.
14:51 <@Corydon76-work> Which means not only a mess but a mess to clean out the barrel
14:51 <@Dagmar> But... seeing as how Bieber probably throws like a girl...
14:51 <@anarchival> It makes you wonder if hardboiling the eggs before shooting them wouldn't make a better ammunition.
14:51 <@Corydon76-work> With that much money, I'm sure he has plenty of eggs for practice
14:52 <@anarchival> You could keep the yolks runny if you did it right, making the egg both harder and just as sticky and smelly.
14:52 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: nah.  reload the gun one time with a potato or something similar and it would clean the barrel just fine
14:52 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, but hardboiling the eggs means they don't go splat and cause a mess when they hit
14:52 <@anarchival> Thus enabling a higher velocity delivery.
14:53 <@Evilpig> we used to shoot nearly rotten apples at each other and while being soft and squishy those fuckers still hurt
14:53 <@Corydon76-work> At that point, you might as well get a paintball gun
14:53 <@anarchival> This is exactly the conversation that led us from the slingshot to the gun, BTW.
14:53 <@anarchival> Paintball...I miss paintball.
14:54 <@Dagmar> yes, it's a shame all those paintball courses are just sexist training grounds
14:54 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I played it in ROTC, thank you very much.
14:54 <@Corydon76-work> Heh, during 4th of July celebration one year, I knew a crowd of sailors who slingshotted water balloons into the CROWDS at the dock in Baltimore
14:54 <@Evilpig> lol.  the cats are learning the sound of the feeder going off.  they both just woke up from a dead sleep when it kicked on
14:55 <@Dagmar> WEll, as long as they arced them high I guess it was safe
14:55 <@Corydon76-work> Think about the velocity of water balloons going 50-100 yards before they burst
14:56 <@Corydon76-work> I have my suspicions that DNR was NOT pleased
14:56 < dwhess> Unless the water is frozen, I wouldn't worry about it.
14:56 <@Corydon76-work> In 4th of July heat in Baltimore, they wouldn't waste frozen water like that
14:56 <@Corydon76-work> The frozen water was for their beer
14:58 <@Dagmar> pHence a high arc needed
14:58 <@Corydon76-work> They were in a unique situation, in that they were in DNR's jurisdiction on the water, though they were lobbing the balloons into the jurisdiction of the BPD
14:59 <@Corydon76-work> BPD couldn't touch them, unless they came on land
15:00 < dwhess> Launch water balloons back?
15:00 <@Corydon76-work> Heh
15:01 <@Corydon76-work> Anyway, 4th of July, I'm sure the police had more important things to do anyway
15:02 <@Dagmar> RELEASE THE LASER SHARKS!
15:02 <@Catonic> Evilpig: they ship it to antartica or greenland
15:02 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: in Baltimore harbor, they wouldn't survive the pollution
15:03 <@Corydon76-work> If you fell in the drink, you'd be more likely to die of chemical poisoning than drowning
15:05 <@Catonic> I had a similar suspicion about the boilededness of the eggs too.
15:15 <@Bahhumbug> tl;dr yet more bullshit of the chip on the shoulder twit crying about gender discrimination while, oddly enough, discriminating against men.  Funny how that works.
15:16 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: who, wha?
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15:17 <@Bahhumbug> Really?
15:17 <@Bahhumbug> This isn't obvious?
15:18 <@Corydon76-work> I'm regularly accused of being naive
15:18 <@Corydon76-work> And oblivious
15:20 <@Corydon76-work> So yeah, pardon me, but when you say, isn't it obvious, it's not to me
15:23 <@Dagmar> I HAVE IT
15:24 <@Dagmar> We need anti-discrimination policies against aliens
15:24 <@brimstone> Aliens are people too!
15:24 <@Dagmar> ...and from aliens.
15:24 < RangerZ> illegal or ET type?
15:24 <@Dagmar> ET type
15:24 <@Evilpig> both
15:24 <@brimstone> RangerZ: don't discriminate
15:24 < RangerZ> ohh I wasn't, I hate everyone
15:24 <@Dagmar> Respect for both the probulator and probulatee
15:24 < RangerZ> I just wanted clarification
15:25 <@Evilpig> we really should have a policy to govern discrimination against people named matt.
15:25 < RangerZ> no
15:25 < RangerZ> Steve
15:25 < RangerZ> Project Steve
15:25 < RangerZ> it
15:25 <@Evilpig> we used to have several matt's but now they are all gone
15:25 <@Dagmar> ...because we clearly have a problem in that we had that one PN that JonnyX was so insistent we heavily theme with alien probulation, and it's kept the alien probulators away by alienation
15:25 < RangerZ> speaking of
15:25 < RangerZ> where is he?
15:25 <@Evilpig> not on here
15:25 < RangerZ> he needs to make a presence in here
15:25 <@Dagmar> Lurkin about in Franklin somewhere, as per usual
15:26 <@Evilpig> and not on the mailing list it seems from the lack of responses
15:26 <@Corydon76-work> Anybody have a local source for cage nuts?
15:26 <@Dagmar> hehe
15:27 <@Dagmar> MAH NUTS CANNA BE CAGED
15:27 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: nashville bolt and nut?  bolt and screw?  it's over there next to nashville city cemetery
15:27 <@Corydon76-work> Oooo
15:28 <@oddball> RangerZ: Pfft. He's almost never on here... or answers his emails...
15:28 < RangerZ> b/c I can get TONs of MOOC stuff to PN
15:28 < RangerZ> if we want to make an "alternative learning/education" track
15:28 < RangerZ> vandy's stuff, and others
15:29 < RangerZ> and then we can fill it in with local makers stuff
15:29 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: if I don't get some feedback from those in charge shortly, i'm about to start getting shit organized remotely
15:29 <@Evilpig> as I threatened to do befor I left town
15:29 < RangerZ> get SuMo_D to print us all out our names in acryllic w/ laser cutter, lol
15:29 < RangerZ> lol
15:30 < RangerZ> but seriously, that would probably be a good draw
15:30 <@Evilpig> indeed
15:30 <@Evilpig> but without dates being finalized you can't nail down any type of content or attendees
15:32 < RangerZ> hell
15:32 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: I love how they posted for 3 months on their website, then just stopped...
15:32 < RangerZ> i can't even get a 'description' of se2600, nashville2600 and PN
15:32 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.ccbstn.com
15:32 < GateKeeper> Title: Capitol City Bolt & Screw (at www.ccbstn.com)
15:32 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: who? where? wha?  i'm so confused
15:33 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: right next to the City Cemetary
15:33 <@Evilpig> oh I didnt kmnow they had one
15:33 <@Evilpig> I've been there for various weird ass screws and they've always had them
15:34 <@Corydon76-work> Posting for 3 months and stopping makes me worry about a company going out of business
15:34 <@Evilpig> they've been there for years
15:34 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, okay
15:34 <@Evilpig> at least 5+
15:35 <@Evilpig> just look at their target audience too.  the majority of people buying threaded rod aren't likely to be big internet people.
15:36 <@anarchival> Steve is, in fact, my least favorite name.
15:37 <@anarchival> RangerZ: I've pointed you to the mission statement more than once. If you can't read it, that's your own issue.
15:37 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: fair enough
15:38 < RangerZ> mission statements are all fine and dandy, but if there is discussion of changing them/constitutions/etc then it doesn't matter
15:40 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: nope, they don't have them
15:40 <@Evilpig> wow.  I would have figured they would for sure
15:41 <@Corydon76-work> Maybe it's just slide-on cage nuts that they don't have
15:41 <@Corydon76-work> My rack has round holes, not square holes
15:42 <@Evilpig> ahhh gotcha.  you've got an oddball rack 
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15:42 <@Corydon76-work> Well, an older-style rack
15:42 <@Corydon76-work> 2nd generation, in that the holes aren't threaded
15:43 <@Evilpig> going with oddball
15:44 <@Corydon76-work> Oddball might object
15:45 <@anarchival> RangerZ: No one has even suggested changing the mission statement. If you lack a concise description of Nashville 2600 and/or PN, look there.
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15:45 <@oddball> Yeah... I'm not a fan of standing there holding dead weight for extended periods of time.
15:46 < RangerZ> I don't, but if I'm going to be looking to invite professors and people from coursera to PN... I need to have all that info nailed down, and in a nice format
15:46 < RangerZ> including the wetbsites, etc
15:46 < dink_> what is everyone talking about
15:46 <@Evilpig> jews
15:46 <@brimstone> dink_: drama bullshit :/
15:46 < dink_> so i hear
15:47 < dink_> is it legit drama that needs to be handled or "carry on and ignore"
15:47 <@brimstone> i'm filing it under COAI
15:47 < dink_> because i did get elected as vp. so if there is something legit. let's here it
15:47 <@Evilpig> like a new injection to the channel is gonna handle anything?  lol
15:47 <@Dagmar> I dunno.  Pennicillin can still cure quite a number of things.
15:47 < dink_> is that yo willpig?
15:47 < dink_> you
15:48 <@Evilpig> of course
15:48 < dink_> ok this is andrew mcelroy
15:48 < dink_> at the last election i was voted as vp
15:48 <@Evilpig> I know who dink is
15:48 < dink_> I'm happy to record stuff down
15:48 < dink_> and bring it up at the next meeting
15:48 < dink_> I'm willing to fix issues, but i don't have time for stupid shit
15:49 <@Evilpig> where are the details on the hotel?
15:49 <@Corydon76-work> It's not drama, it's just someone asking us to nail down a date
15:49 <@Evilpig> it's been two weeks since the meeting and that needs to be done
15:50 < dink_> my understanding is that we were looking at the maxwell house. I'm not 100% sure about the other hotels that we were looking at
15:50 <@brimstone> PN is moving again?
15:51 < dink_> I'm getting the maxwell house details forwarded now. I'll add it to the google drive
15:51 < dink_> its not guaranteed, but it is something we should talk about
15:51 <@Evilpig> I can already tell you that the maxwell house will not work unless you get a huge capital inlay and I am gonna be willing to bet whomever talked to them failed to mention the running 24 hours stuff
15:51 <@Dagmar> My but I love the smell of burnt lasers in the morning
15:51 <@brimstone> is that a coffee shop?
15:51 <@Evilpig> we did look at them two years ago
15:52 < dink_> what was the problem two years ago
15:52 <@oddball> brimstone: No, it's an old pretty upscale hotel.
15:52 <@oddball> Maxwell House coffee started in Nashville.
15:52 <@brimstone> at the hotel?
15:52 <@Corydon76-work> dink_: outside food policy and going all hours.
15:52 <@Evilpig> they want too much money, they wouldn't permit us to do a pig roast, they would do bbq for us but we had to get it from them at a huge premium.  the space wasn't conducive to how we have run things in the past
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15:53 <@Evilpig> the running 24 hours a day was a huge no from them unless we booked out the grandballroom and the smaller adjoining one as well which wa the reason for needing a huge amount of cash
15:53 <@anarchival> Evilpig: They're okay with the pig roast. We can bring our own roaster, or use theirs on the veranda.
15:54 <@anarchival> Evilpig: The rooms are $105/night, which is extraordinarily reasonable for something so close to downtown. We'd have to book around 200 rooms, but if we met that we'd get the conference space for free.
15:54 <@Evilpig> the room they showed us for the con suite operations was completely seperated from the conspace and was going to be an issue for running 24 /7 plus it was hardly big enough to hold con ops let alone the shit we would do with it
15:54 <@anarchival> Evilpig: We can use the downstairs conference space 24/7 but not the upstairs ballroom.
15:54 <@Evilpig> writing.   all of that in writing
15:54 <@Corydon76-work> So it sounds like MM has evolved since the last time we talked with them
15:55 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Yes. My cousin is the events coordinator there. We will have it all in writing.
15:55 <@Evilpig> or someone is making promises they won't back up
15:55 < dink_> can you email me what you have in writing.
15:55 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: yeah, but that happens no matter where we end up
15:55 < dink_> ill add it to the google drive
15:56 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: that is true it will happen anywhere.  but we discussed these as potential issues from the get go
15:56 <@Corydon76-work> Nature of the beast that people promise shit, then get fired, and the new staff goes, "Who?  What?  Where?"
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15:57 <@Corydon76-work> I think I'm just going to use the 10-32 cage nuts I already have
15:57 <@Corydon76-work> I just need screws short enough for the shelves
15:58 <@Corydon76-work> Hmm, I wonder if I might use the drill press at work...
15:58 <@Evilpig> I'm gonna go heat up some stir fry
15:58 <@anarchival> dink_: I forwarded it to your gmail again. JohnnyX has a folder of papers she gave him, but I'm not sure what's different in there. I know how wants the quote to be broken down more modular, so we can start small and grow into some of the bigger stuff if there's a successful campaign.
15:58 < dink_> yeah I'm looking at it now
15:59 < dink_> at as far as money is concerned. I think we should be going for more but smaller sponsorships
15:59 < dink_> I haven't ruled out having Codex Labs, LLC sponsor part of this again
15:59 <@anarchival> s/how/he
16:00 <@Evilpig> all that shit should be just going to help@ as that is where all the people involved should be
16:00 < RangerZ> dink_: we could look into getting vandy sponsor some, or EECS/ISIS , etc, but it has to be 'professionaled up'
16:00 <@anarchival> dink_: I think if PN pursued even just the normal amount of sponsorship of other tech cons in Nashville, it could easily cover the cost of MH.
16:00 < dink_> Exactly rangerZ
16:00 < dink_> that's part of the plan
16:01 <@anarchival> dink_: I can't imagine Codex would want to sponsor unless it was "professionaled up," either, but obviously that's your decision.
16:01 < RangerZ> hell, someone just give me a host with php/sql and i'll throw together a fucking wordpress site that no one would ever guess is wordpress
16:01 < RangerZ> and it'll be fine
16:01 <@anarchival> Plenty of tech conferences in Nashville receive sponsorship and aren't nice and shiny corporate events.
16:02 < dink_> do we have pictures of these space
16:02 < RangerZ> i'm not saying this has to be a Usenix/ACM/IEEE event
16:02 <@anarchival> Barcamp, HackNashville, etc., etc., are still community-driven and fun.
16:02 < RangerZ> but atleast presentable
16:02 < dink_> *this space
16:02 <@anarchival> dink_: The website, mostly. JohnnyX and I toured it, it's nice.
16:02 < RangerZ> whats the place's name?
16:03 <@Bahhumbug> I can provide hosting if anyone needs it.
16:03 <@anarchival> dink_: He felt it was more than adequate to meet PN's needs, would even provide room to grow.
16:03 < RangerZ> http://csis.ysu.edu/~mwalker/wp/
16:03 < GateKeeper> Title: YSU ACM (at csis.ysu.edu)
16:03 < dink_> is be in the chat
16:03 < dink_> ben
16:03 < RangerZ> an old version of the ACM that was hosted on my account at YSU (the entire site is locked, but still 'visible'
16:03 <@anarchival> dink_: No, let me see if I can get him.
16:04 <@anarchival> dink_: He looks offline.
16:04 < RangerZ> thats wordpress, and you can make it look better, just have to have a good themes, etc (and honestly, just take your time to set it up)
16:04 < dink_> can you have him let me add stuff to the drive . If corydon is still around,  I need access to the goggle drive
16:05 < RangerZ> we just need _some_ CMS to simplify hosting static pages/files, joomla, etc would be fine too
16:05 <@anarchival> dink_: I told him. He's coming.
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16:06 <@Dagmar> That's fairly enthusiastic.
16:06 < dink_> benthemeet: can you add me to the google drive. I need to put the maxwell contract in there
16:07 <@Dagmar> lazugod: Being on your lawn is not griefing.
16:07 <@Dagmar> @#!$@
16:07 < RangerZ> Dagmar: huh?
16:07 <@Bahhumbug> "wrong channel"
16:07 <@Corydon76-work> dink_: I don't believe I have administrative access to do that
16:08 <@anarchival> dink_: Want me to forward it to benthemeek so he can put it up?
16:08 <@benthemeek> I have your sophrinix as able to edit
16:08 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: my understanding of the history is that we need some mechanism to be readonly on the live site, to avoid past problems with the CMS being hacked
16:09 < RangerZ> not really, you just need to lock it down, not allow any comments
16:09 <@benthemeek> perhaps  google drive is more limited than I thought. There are only three sharing options: view, edit, owner
16:09 <@Corydon76-work> So if we edited a test site, then pushed it out live, that would probably be best
16:09 < RangerZ> no search
16:09 < RangerZ> nothing 'input'
16:09 <@benthemeek> If I make you owner I wonder if I would be able to post minutes
16:09 < dink_> let me check something then
16:09 < dink_> hold on
16:09 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: No CMS has ever been good about that
16:09 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: bull
16:09 <@brimstone> i like how it's 2014 and you guys are strill trying to figure out how to secure a website
16:10 <@brimstone> strill?
16:10 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: movable type did it just fine
16:10 <@Dagmar> Clearly, HTML is just too damn hard
16:10 <@Evilpig> brimstone: it's not a matter of securing a site but a matter of it retaining that status over time
16:10 < dink_> benthemeek: chalk it up to google being weird about UX
16:10 <@benthemeek> ah, you were a different user?
16:10 <@Dagmar> ...but, at least we're running a Bitcoin exchange on it
16:10 <@Evilpig> which is why I keep saying static html and done
16:10 < dink_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5BXoaeDi2ujQ2g0Rl9xcEk3dkU/edit?usp=sharing
16:10 < GateKeeper> Title: PhreakNIC Proposal.pdf - Google Drive (at drive.google.com)
16:10 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: http://movabletype.org/news/2011/05/movable_type_51_and_505_436_security_update.html
16:10 < GateKeeper> Title: MovableType.org News: Movable Type 5.1 and 5.05, 4.36 Security Updates (at movabletype.org)
16:11 <@Bahhumbug> It's a web app.  Every web app has issues at some point, bar none.
16:11 < RangerZ> i'm fine with HTML, as long as it doesn't look like http://www.nashville2600.org/
16:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Nashville 2600 (at www.nashville2600.org)
16:11 < dink_> no i was the correct user. I just expected it to show up in a location that it didnt
16:11 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: ?  yeah they've had security updates.  but their primary model is push to static html
16:11 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: precisely.  But we have to aim to make it secure to start with
16:12 <@brimstone> Wilpig will start working on a new site soon.
16:12 < dink_> i am already working on the nashville2600 site
16:12 <@anarchival> brimstone: Too many cooks in the kitchen?
16:12 < dink_> i mentioned in december I would start on that
16:13 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Better than the previous situation of not enough cooks
16:13 <@Evilpig> brimstone: I havne't touched it other than to update names in the last few years
16:13 < RangerZ> and they are all baking different pies
16:13 < RangerZ> we don't have to eat the pies
16:13 < RangerZ> they aren't all making 1 piggypie
16:13 < dink_> okay is there anything else to handle here?
16:13 < dink_> this sounds like something that can be picked up at the next meeting
16:13 < RangerZ> Evilpig needs a hug
16:14 < dink_> he might stab you
16:14 <@Catonic> Corydon76-work: all fine, except moveable type took down the downloads except for MT.
16:14 <@Catonic> we're open-source... JUST KIDDING!
16:14 < RangerZ> and?
16:15 < RangerZ> does it matter if they are open source
16:15 <@oddball> Ok... so am I reading that right that they'd want at least $10k + rental for any tables and chairs that we'd want?
16:15 < RangerZ> (not trolling, serious question)
16:15 < dink_> oddball: the idea is to get them to break the costs down and be more modular
16:15 < dink_> thats if we went with everything
16:16 <@oddball> Ok... so that documentation is useless.
16:16 < dink_> not entirely
16:16 < dink_> thats the upper end cost.
16:16 <@anarchival> We wanted a modular quote, to give us options for a VIP reception on Sunday morning or Thursday night, she factored in both without making it modular.
16:17 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: it matters that they're open to the extent of allowing people to ensure that they're secure
16:17 <@Evilpig> vip reception...  really?
16:17 <@Evilpig> we're gonna be that now
16:17 <@brimstone> what's a vip reception?
16:17 <@oddball> VIP reception? what now?
16:17 <@Evilpig> that's where you put people to get away from everyone
16:17 <@brimstone> is that where you only invite a few people?
16:17 <@brimstone> oooh
16:17 <@Dagmar> ...and to feel entitled.
16:17 < RangerZ> Corydon76-work: I 'know' the argument, and i generally agree, however I am talking from a pragmatic pov, I just want it to 'work' and 'be secure'
16:18 <@Evilpig> that's the opposite of how pn has been where everyone is the same including speakers and staff except they get a little something extra to say thanks
16:18 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: most of the time, taking it closed source is a way to hide a security issue
16:18 < RangerZ> leave RSA out of this
16:18 <@Bahhumbug> Or just not wanting people to rip off their code.
16:18 < RangerZ> lol
16:19 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: if their development is fast enough, that's never an issue
16:19 <@Evilpig> i encourage people to steal my code.  god help me if I find it and they make it better i'm stealing that shit back
16:19 <@Corydon76-work> Most people I hear that concern from have essentially stopped development work and just want to be paid
16:19 < RangerZ> thats the POINT of copyright
16:19 < RangerZ> to make something once
16:20 < RangerZ> and then support you, your children, and your grandchildren's children
16:20 <@Corydon76-work> Uh huh
16:20 < RangerZ> no it is, just ask mark twain
16:20 < RangerZ> lol
16:20 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: til the fifth generation...
16:20 < RangerZ> nah
16:20 < RangerZ> then disney will get it extended
16:20 < RangerZ> b/c mickey goes into public domain next year or something
16:20 <@Corydon76-work> We need to go back to copyright lasting for 14 years total
16:20 < RangerZ> steamboat willey version
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16:28 <@anarchival> Sorry, had to take a call.
16:28 <@klixa> google does a birthday picture for its logo on your bday now
16:28 <@anarchival> The concept behind the VIP banquet was to have a special thank you gathering on Sunday for the volunteers running the conference, speakers, sponsors, etc.
16:29 < RangerZ> if they are throwing it in for free, sure
16:29 <@anarchival> JohnnyX thought it would be a cool thing to do to wind down. Alternatively, we could have something on Thursday night for those who buy-in to a higher tier on the indiegogo, to kick off the con and create excitement for donating, etc., etc.
16:29 < RangerZ> or we need to charge more, get better/more sponsors
16:30 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Yes. That was actually my Grand Master Plan to enact as Treasurer. But alas.
16:31 <@Bahhumbug> indiegogo?
16:31 < RangerZ> because you can't help if you don't have the title
16:31 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Typically fundraising for a nonprofit is handled by the Treasurer.
16:31 <@Bahhumbug> And a collective sigh was heard
16:32 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Also FU if you think I should be doing this shit without the blessing of the group.
16:32 <@Evilpig> anarchival: I do shit without the blessing of this group all the time
16:32  * Bahhumbug thinks you should be a kitchen making us sandwiches.
16:33 <@Evilpig> because I know that if it doesn't get done, it won't get done. period.
16:33 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: ++
16:33 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Plenty of people are offering to help you with shit, but you don't seem very open to their offers.
16:33 <@Evilpig> keep in mind we were ready to announce the dates and start recruiting speakers  and whatnot 6 months ago
16:33 <@Evilpig> yet nothing is moving
16:33 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps because your offers are useless?  Just a thought.
16:34 <@anarchival> Evilpig: There's also the little problem that you're not President of 2600, and therefore aren't authorized to organize PN.
16:34 <@Evilpig> anarchival: I'm open to offers that have some type of traction behind them.  offers are just hot air in the balloon of bad ideas 
16:34 <@Evilpig> anarchival: you keep that in mind
16:34 <@brimstone> Evilpig: you going to hope x?
16:34 <@Evilpig> I wasn't an officer last year yet I was the one at the last minute that booked the majority of the speakers. sealed the deal with the hotel. the bbq. the sqag
16:34 <@Evilpig> swag
16:34 <@Evilpig> brimstone: yes
16:34 <@brimstone> Evilpig: we should meet up then
16:35 <@Evilpig> brimstone: good deal.  i'll even take you over to the tumblr hq if you want
16:35  * brimstone makes a note
16:35 <@brimstone> that would be swank
16:35 <@brimstone> do kids say that today still, swank?
16:35 <@Evilpig> free entry to MOMA too if you want
16:35 <@klixa> brimstone: no
16:35 <@brimstone> what's a MOMA?
16:35 <@anarchival> Evilpig: I appreciate that you put together the conference last year. So why did the group elect JohnnyX as President pretty much unanimously if he's so worthless?
16:35 <@Evilpig> Museum of modern art
16:35 <@brimstone> klixa: what's the hip lingo now?
16:35 <@klixa> brimstone: cray cray
16:36 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Because really, what you did was completely illegal under the bylaws.
16:36 <@brimstone> Evilpig: that would be cray cray
16:36 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Even if it was ultimately for the greater good of keeping PN alive another year.
16:36 <@Evilpig> anarchival: because notlarry didn't show up to th emeting and much like a previous dictator jonnyx has big ideas and talks the talk
16:36 <@klixa> anarchival you give women a bad name... go make those damn sandwiches like Bahhumbug suggested :|
16:37 <@Evilpig> the fact of the matter comes down to when jonnyx was attempted to be reached last year to make decisions and get shit done he was MIA
16:37 <@Evilpig> the fact is... I stepped in and made it happen because it had to be done.  period
16:37 <@anarchival> klixa: go shake your ass at Dagmar some more and leave me alone.
16:37 <@Evilpig> do you have a problem with that?
16:37 < RangerZ> i never said to not get the blessing of the group
16:37 < RangerZ> but you'd have to talk to them about it first
16:38 <@Evilpig> anarchival: I was also accused of doing shit behind jonnyx's back last year and yet the fuck never would say that to my face, but he did say it to several people around me
16:38 <@Evilpig> what have you got to say about that?
16:38 <@Evilpig> not a god damned thing, that's what
16:38 <@anarchival> Evilpig: I only have a problem with that insofar as it violates the bylaws, and puts both you and the organization into a situation where the entire thing could be dissolved.
16:38 <@anarchival> Evilpig: I'd prefer it if these things could be done properly.
16:39 <@benthemeek> anarchival: In this I think we all prefered to have a con rather than none
16:39 <@anarchival> Evilpig: But I understand it feels like a rock and a hard place, when JohnnyX is unresponsive.
16:39 <@benthemeek> anarchival: right
16:39 <@Evilpig> anarchival: the backend business around this conference is there to protect us financially and allow the organization to be responsible.  the work of getting shit together is the culmunation of the group as a whole
16:39 <@Evilpig> if one person is holding up the works, work around them
16:40 <@Evilpig> I don't care what the bylaws say are the responsibilities of x or Y.  I want this event to happen and I'm not gonna let some dipshit that doesn't answer his phone or return emails stop that from happneing
16:40 <@benthemeek> There is this principle that has been true of every church organization I grew up in and it was that 10 percent of the poeple do 90% of the work
16:40 <@oddball> anarchival: Since you seem to speak for JohnnyX, maybe you should tell him that he needs to be seen more than just at the meetings.
16:40 <@Evilpig> jonnyx know what he needs to be doing.  he has other shit going on in his life and this is secondary, it's that simple
16:41 <@anarchival> oddball: I do not speak for JohnnyX. I do seem to respect him much more than some of the people here, but then again I remember a time when 2600 and PN would not have existed if not for his tireless work.
16:41 <@anarchival> oddball: Frankly it's a bit shocking to hear that this is the status quo.
16:41 <@benthemeek> I think being fair to anarchival it looks like the rules are totally throw away and are more just guidelines
16:41 <@Evilpig> and then he was MIA for a decade
16:41 <@brimstone> i speak for jonnyx
16:41 <@benthemeek> That raises eyebrows in general but we had to do what we had to do
16:41 <@brimstone> and i say probably nothing good
16:42 <@anarchival> Meh. Like I said, it puts Nashville 2600 in a bad spot, where all someone has to do is call the IRS and explain how we're violating the bylaws and they could decide to dissolve us.
16:42 <@Evilpig> anarchival: call them and get it done
16:42 <@anarchival> Which considering it's a hacker organization, would probably be desirable to a lot of people.
16:42 <@anarchival> But I appreciate that the show must go on, one way or another.
16:43 <@rattle> The IRS revoking tax status has zero to do with bylaw violation, and everything to do with if the books and taxes are handled correctly.
16:43 <@anarchival> I intended to help that show go on, like I said, that's why I came back. But I'm not really feeling it anymore.
16:43 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Uh, the IRS can't decide to dissolve us.  They can revoke our exemption, but that's all
16:43 <@Bahhumbug> The IRS doesn't give a fuck about the local 2600 group.
16:43 <@oddball> anarchival: I'm seeing you proposing major changes like this is the way it's going to be, and I think those changes really need to be put in front and discussed by the group in general.
16:43 <@klixa> anarchival: Dagmar isnt the one i have a crush on... Evilpig is...in fact we're in love and hes the father of my un-conceived child :P
16:43 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, they don't really care, as long as nobody is using the group as a method of running their business tax-free
16:43 <@Evilpig> klixa: shoosh
16:43 <@Bahhumbug> Excellent!
16:44  * Evilpig takes his pants back from klixa 
16:44 <@Bahhumbug> Excellent!
16:44 <@Bahhumbug> :)
16:44 <@klixa> Evilpig: no...mine!
16:44 <@anarchival> oddball: I don't see how you've gotten that impression. Every change I've proposed has been just that, a proposal.
16:44 <@anarchival> oddball: Fuck, I even waded into this den of trolls to discuss changes.
16:44 <@benthemeek> oddball: All proposals have to be ran by the group at least three meetings in a row
16:44 <@Evilpig> and every change and decision doesn't have to be done at a 2600 meeting yet some people don't understand that
16:44 <@benthemeek> At least by-laws wise
16:45 <@anarchival> oddball: Which only two of your officers bother to come in here with any regularlity.
16:45 <@anarchival> *regularity
16:45 <@Evilpig> also monthly 2600 meetings are necessarily nashville2600 meetings they just work out conveniently at the same time
16:45  * anarchival shrugs.
16:45 <@Evilpig> s/are/aren't/
16:45 <@oddball> benthemeek: I'm talking about more than just the proposed bilaw changes.
16:46 <@anarchival> This group has got enemies, that aren't finished with it yet. You guys do whatever you think is best. I've said all I can say.
16:46 <@Dagmar> This next month I'll propose bylaw changes to make exterrestrials feel more welcome after the horrible treatment tehy had at PN14.
16:46 <@klixa> anarchival: a few hours ago, werent you one of the enemies?
16:46 <@Dagmar> Oh.  Pardon me.  Alien-Americans.
16:46 <@Bahhumbug> This den of trolls?
16:46 <@benthemeek> Well I am just concerned that we may lose focus on planning PN with the arguing over points of the law
16:46 <@Bahhumbug> Listen twit, you're the biggest fucking troll this channel has seen in my time here.  Bar absolutely none.
16:46 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: ++
16:46 <@Dagmar> heh
16:46 <@Bahhumbug> You make ware look social by comparison.
16:46 <@benthemeek> the officers will plan PN and if it fails I am sure the community can hang us out to dry
16:46 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Actually, changes *do* need to take place at meetings, but I appreciate you're running Nashville 2600 from NJ now.
16:47 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: PN will get planned, with or without the officers
16:47 <@Corydon76-work> That was Pig's point
16:47 <@klixa> is anyone still in nashville? jeesh
16:47 <@Evilpig> anarchival: changes to the bylaws have to happen at nashville2600 meetings.  decisions about the planning of PN that aren't major just have to be made,  meeting or not
16:48 <@brimstone> 'nashville' is more an idea than a place klixa
16:48 <@Evilpig> klixa: everyone is in nashville except for me and dolemite
16:48 <@klixa> Evilpig: im not
16:48 <@Evilpig> as far as the planning folks are concerned
16:48 <@anarchival> Evilpig: ...and approved by the President.
16:48 <@klixa> Evilpig: im in texas this week...and LA last week
16:48 <@oddball> benthemeek: Shouldn't planning PN include the directors of PN?
16:48 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Uh, approved by the general membership
16:48 <@klixa> Evilpig: oh..planning folks...nm
16:48 <@Evilpig> anarchival: I don't give a fuck what the president does or says.  period.  if he doesn't respond he's in breach of his responsibilities and i'll work around him
16:48 <@oddball> Because the two groups are not completely the same.
16:49 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Yes.
16:49 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, for those of us NOT at the meeting.  _WHO_ are the current officers?
16:49 <@benthemeek> oddball: That is a fair point. I think though our problem is getting enough participation. If others want to help plan I am sure they would be welcome at the planning meetings
16:49 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: JonnyX/Dink/Ben/myself
16:49 <@Evilpig> jx; pres, dink: vp, benthemeek: sec, tres: unfilled
16:50 <@Bahhumbug> Thank you.
16:50 <@benthemeek> I dont think you will find anyone objecting to more people wanting to help plan
16:50 <@Dagmar> Mr. White, Mr. Orange, Mr. Blonde, Mr. Pink, Mr. Blue, and Mr. Brown
16:50 <@Evilpig> directors of phreaknic are also not necessarily officers of nashville2600
16:50 <@Bahhumbug> hahahahaha
16:50 <@oddball> benthemeek: Then there needs to be some communication on that.  If there are con specific meetings, I think those need to be announced before they happen.
16:51 <@Dagmar> yes.
16:51 <@Corydon76-work> I'm treasurer until someone else qualifies to fill the position; I accept that, even if I'm not especially happy to be stuck with it.  I'm not going to fuck over the organization just because I feel like taking a break.
16:51 <@klixa> Evilpig: i wanna be treasurer...but just to piss off anarchival
16:51 <@Evilpig> oddball: good luck on getting jx to schedule extra meetings or even announce them
16:51 <@Dagmar> ...and quite possibly the PN stuff should be discussed maybe after a half hour has gone by, and no sooner
16:51 <@anarchival> klixa: you'll have to come to a meeting or PN or something besides the IRC channel first.
16:51 <@oddball> According to my badge from last year, I was director of gaming (again), and would be happy to join in on planning if I was ever made aware of planning sessions.
16:52 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I think we had it to where we'd do that shit at the start of meetings and then be done with it so we didn't burn folks out
16:52 <@klixa> anarchival: oh.....so the flirting you imagined between me and Dagmar isnt enough? :/
16:52 <@Evilpig> oddball: there weren't any last year outside of regular meetings and a few discussions on here
16:52 <@oddball> Evilpig: Apparently there was enough coordination for a select few to discuss changing the hotel, finding a new one, and taking a tour of it.
16:52 <@Evilpig> that was done via an officer meeting
16:53 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Except that way it just goes on indefinitely
16:53 <@benthemeek> oddball so far we have had one meeting outside 2600
16:53 <@anarchival> klixa: You could try sleeping your way to the top, but unfortunately Dagmar doesn't have any actual authority.
16:53 <@benthemeek> and I only found out about it the night before
16:53 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: just have to get the hotair closed off and keep them stuck to actual work
16:53 <@benthemeek> I am sure we can make that notice be given out to mor epoeple
16:53 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: I'd be happy to let you know when the next outside meeting is, in advance
16:54 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Thank you. :)
16:54 <@Corydon76-work> As soon as I find out.  :-)
16:54 <@Dagmar> Anarchists don't need authority.
16:54 <@Evilpig> maybe directors shoudl be decided on at the next actual meeting and get that shit over with
16:54 <@klixa> i really really wanna smack anarchival!
16:54  * anarchival is giggling hysterically at the idea of sleeping one's way to the top of Nashville 2600.
16:55 <@Bahhumbug> First you need to find someone that wants to sleep with you.
16:55 <@oddball> benthemeek: Sorry... anarchival has *really* been pushing my buttons.
16:55  * Dagmar covers the fire alarm
16:56 <@Bahhumbug> You know, it occurs to me that the bullshit level with anarchival is nearing that of, or even exceeding that of, mercster / that other moron... cirkit?
16:56 <@Evilpig> don't speak its name!
16:56 <@Corydon76-work> Only thing that concerns me right now is this massive bickering during work hours, when I need to have 8 hours accounted for in terms of billing various projects
16:56 <@Bahhumbug> mercster mercster mercster
16:56  * Bahhumbug hides
16:56 <@Evilpig> great.  it's been summoned.  this can't end well
16:56 -!- Bahhumbug was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [Bahhumbug]
16:56 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has joined #se2600
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16:56 < RangerZ> ware ware ware
16:56 <@klixa> anarchival: do you go to meetings?
16:56 <@Bahhumbug> There.
16:56 <@Bahhumbug> Saved you the trouble.
16:57 -!- RangerZ was kicked from #se2600 by Evilpig [stop]
16:57 <@benthemeek> Well as I see it, we have a new president who has wanted to change a lot of things. Anarchival is really the only person on this channel that is sort of representing his point of view so she has sort of been a scapegoat for his decisions and plans
16:57 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: the difference is that anarchival actually means well, whereas the other two just do it for the sake of trolling
16:57 <@Bahhumbug> Wow.
16:57 <@Bahhumbug> Really?
16:57 <@anarchival> klixa: yep
16:57 <@Bahhumbug> You believe that, Corydon76-work?
16:57 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: Yes, I do
16:57 <@klixa> anarchival: ok
16:57 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: we have a new president that only shows up to meetings and doesn't respond to other forms of communication.  if he needs defending he should get on it himself
16:57 <@Bahhumbug> You might just be the only one.
16:57 <@anarchival> kilxa: well, probably not anymore. I showed my Mom some of the shit these guys have been posting in IRC, and she's now convinced they're all a bunch of rapists and has instructed me I'm not allowed to hang out with them.
16:58 <@Bahhumbug> All I see from it is a bunch of trouble mongering every single day it's here opening its mouth.
16:58 <@klixa> anarchival: um..but you are in your 30's
16:58 <@Evilpig> I post out of context quotes from this channel all the time and make people in here look like raving lunatics too
16:58 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: I won't say that criticisms aren't spot on, because in many cases, they are.  But that's a difference of opinion, and we have plenty of time to argue this out
16:58 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Thank you. You are a scholar and a gentlemen and your goatee makes you look like a handsome swashbuckler.
16:59 <@Corydon76-work> AS LONG AS we don't make each other mad enough that any of enough LEAVES.
16:59 <@Corydon76-work> Err, any of us
16:59 <@Dagmar> ...or mangles their sentence structure.
16:59 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: i will beat the f*** out of her before i leave....
16:59 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, thank you
16:59 <@anarchival> klixa: Just wait until your little girl is in her thirties.
16:59 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-work: All I see is a misandrist with the typical chip on the shoulder that has been doing nothing but starting shit and pissing off nearly everyone here for weeks on end.
17:00 <@klixa> anarchival: um...when shes 30 i wont be telling her what to do
17:00 <@Corydon76-work> I seem to manage to mangle my sentences whenever I try to emphasize anything at all
17:00 <@Evilpig> anarchival: using my sister as an example she has been out of the house making a living and doing well since her mid-twenties
17:00 <@Dagmar> ...and very little raping.
17:00 <@anarchival> klixa: Of course not. You'll probably be whoring together by then.
17:00 <@benthemeek> Do we need to make it personal?
17:00 <@Evilpig> pretty sure my mother has no say in my sister's choices at this point
17:00 <@benthemeek> anarchival has been in law school
17:00 <@klixa> anarchival: for your information in the past 14 years i haev only been with one person
17:01  * klixa is NOT a whore
17:01  * Evilpig takes his money back from klixa 
17:01 <@Bahhumbug> Stop defending yourself to a wanton slut (by her own admissions in this very venue).
17:01 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: damnit
17:01 <@anarchival> benthemeek: klixa thinks she can take me. Let her try.
17:01 <@Dagmar> Hmm... random slut shaming.  How very progressive
17:01 <@Bahhumbug> Hey, if you don't want to get labeled as one, don't advertise it.
17:01  * Bahhumbug shrugs
17:01 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: I rather prefer sluts to snobs
17:02  * Evilpig is a slot
17:02 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Well I am my mother's sole financial support, and also care for her since she is physically handicapped, so she is unusually protective of me since if something serious were to happen to me she knows she'd be dead, too.
17:02 <@benthemeek> Alas... I love you all too much to watch you hurt each other *sheds tears*   ;) be back later
17:02 <@klixa> anarchival: actually i have been trying to have a sense of humor with you despite the fact that you have been a TOTAL bitch to me all day...desopite it being my bday :P
17:02 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: and what guy inserts his tab into your slot?
17:02 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: This is what the jello is for
17:02  * anarchival doesn't think there's anything wrong with not wanting your adult child to be raped, but okay.
17:02  * Evilpig hits Corydon76-work on the nose with a rolled up newspaper. "no"
17:02 <@klixa> anarchival: you talk about these men treating women bad... wel i am a woman and you have treated me worse than anyone in this #
17:02 <@Dagmar> Anyone deciding that's going to happen with this lot has a very tenuous grip on reality.
17:03 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: Happy Birthday.
17:03 <@klixa> thanks Bahhumbug
17:03  * anarchival wishes klixa bon anniversaire and hopes she enjoys her spanking.
17:03 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: oddball has that rapey look in his eye
17:04 <@Dagmar> I think that's dust allergies, actually
17:04 <@Evilpig> don't confuse it with confusion.  they look similar
17:04 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: doesn't he always?
17:04 <@oddball> Hayfever
17:04 <@anarchival> klixa: Lookit- I don't have any patience for women who don't support their sisters in order to seem more desirable to men.
17:04 <@anarchival> klixa: Is that clear enough for you?
17:04 <@klixa> anarchival: i didnt suport you cause you are wrong
17:04 <@Corydon76-work> It's part of what makes him look like a zombie
17:04 <@anarchival> klixa: And yes, I'll gladly mistreat you just as I will gladly mistreat every dude here who gives me a hard time.
17:04 -!- anarchival was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [Is this clear enough for you?]
17:04 <@Bahhumbug> "oops"
17:04 <@Evilpig> lol
17:04 <@Bahhumbug> Typo
17:05  * Evilpig drops a pin
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> Was it really that easy to deal with?
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> Should have done it sooner.
17:05 <@Dagmar> Seems so
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> Useless bitch.
17:05 <@oddball> damn shame
17:05 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't say "useless" but there's definitely somme issues going on
17:06 <@Bahhumbug> She's a man hating twit with a chip on her shoulder.
17:06 <@Corydon76-work> Ben and I are both feeling like Rodney King
17:06 <@Bahhumbug> I can only take so much of that nonesense.
17:06 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: she hates women too
17:06 <@oddball> yes... she's trying to be helpful.  I think that makes it worse because with the trollin' to troll folks I can just ignore.
17:06 <@Evilpig> lets just agree she hates people
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17:06 <@Dagmar> Quick!  Hide teh everything!
17:07 <@anarchival> klixa: You are more than welcome to disagree with me, but invoking the fact that you're a woman means absolutely nothing to me.
17:07 <@anarchival> "I'm a woman and I'm not a feminist" is about as significant a statement as "I'm a man and I'm not a misogynist."
17:07 <@klixa> anarchival: its relevent because you were insultung the way women are treated
17:07 -!- anarchival was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [Stop with your retarded assumptions about men]
17:08 <@oddball> damn!  You need to get that keyboard checked out.
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17:08 <@Bahhumbug> I can, and will, do this all day.
17:08 <@Bahhumbug> Cease your god damned gender hatred.  For the love of Cthulhu.
17:08 <@anarchival> Bahhumbug: Me too. Although I have the decency not to ban you.
17:08 <@klixa> anarchival: you are a hypocrite because you don't want men treating women bad but you are treating both men and women bad
17:08  * benthemeek cries *will mommy and daddy stop fighting please
17:08 <@anarchival> Bahhumbug: Because I actually respect free speech, and the spirit of this channel.
17:08 -!- benthemeek was kicked from #se2600 by Evilpig [cry more]
17:08 <@Bahhumbug> You can't ban me, twit.
17:09 <@Evilpig> technically she could
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17:09 <@Evilpig> not like it would stick
17:09 <@benthemeek> *blush*
17:09 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, not a ban that would last.
17:10 <@anarchival> klixa: Everyone is a hypocrite. I don't really consider that a terrible indictment.
17:10 <@anarchival> klixa: I'm a bitch. I'm not anyone else's bitch.
17:11 <@anarchival> klixa: I think of it like hitting a dog on the nose with a newspaper who is acting a fool. Unfortunately, some humans only respond to negative reinforcement.
17:11 <@anarchival> klixa: Make the bad behavior painful for them, they might stop doing it.
17:11 <@Dagmar> There's an idea.
17:11 <@anarchival> klixa: Except for people like me, who were beaten as children. Many of us will keep doing it just out of spite because we've learn to ignore pain.
17:12 <@klixa> you're fucking insane is what you are
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> *sniff*
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> *sniff*
17:12 <@anarchival> klixa: Quite, yes.
17:15 <@klixa> ok...some mysogonist posted this on facebook...but i ignored their mysogoney and el-oh-elled https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/q71/s720x720/1503384_10200646440518515_917050219_n.jpg
17:15 <@klixa> :P
17:15 <@Corydon76-work> Some of the other people in here (such as myself) have clinical diagnoses of anxiety, and thus, when fights break out, our inclination is to hide in a dark room, curl up in a ball, and whimper.
17:16 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I'd prefer this to be a more peaceful place. I blame Dagmar, of course. He brought up feminism again.
17:16 <@Dagmar> klixa: There was one a few weeks ago with a woman in a bikini and I spent a good 20 seconds trying to find the cat
17:16 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: And goodness knows whenever feminism is brought up in here it turns into screeching...
17:16 <@Dagmar> These memes are not always about the thing you may think they're about
17:17 <@Evilpig> it could be 98
17:17 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: or NT 4.0
17:17 <@Evilpig> it could be 7 even but so doubtful on a crt like that
17:17 <@Dagmar> Either way it's damn old and say something scary about the person posting the pic's ability to keep current
17:18 <@Dagmar> s/say/says/
17:18 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: Or that they're intentionally only posting old pics because they've "filled out" since.
17:18 <@klixa> or that they are dishonest and posting pics of themselves from like 20 years ago
17:18 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: damnit jinx
17:18 <@rattle> A little over a week ago, I was standing in the middle of the interconnect room at the Boston IX.  I could feel the terabits of porn videos and cat pictures swirling around me.  At one point, I could have sworn I heart a "meow" followed by a gentle moan...
17:18  * Dagmar deletes another email from a certain dating site.
17:19 <@rattle> s/heart/heard/
17:19 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: you don't know how many guys on A4A do exactly that.
17:19 <@Dagmar> Pardon me while I go nuke a recurring payment from orbit
17:19 <@Corydon76-work> "Oh, he's so cute.  Oh fuck, that's what he looked like 5 years ago.  Now he's repugnant."
17:20 <@Dagmar> You'd think that maybe someone would have figured out that if there are no new matches, it would be inappropriate to email the site member claiming there are
17:20 <@Evilpig> rattle: lol.  I could make that statement pretty much daily at work
17:20 <@Evilpig> there is a blackhole in there too. files go in and don't come out
17:20 <@benthemeek> rattle: lol
17:20 <@rattle> Evilpig: Yes, you know exactly what I mean..
17:20 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: it's their point to make you come back to the site, so they can increase their ad numbers
17:21 <@Evilpig> what is tumblr if not cats and porn?
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17:21 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: This is not a thing one typically does to people who have signed up for recurring payments
17:21 <@rattle> Evilpig: Pictures of food.
17:21 <@Dagmar> They've got a failtacular business model there
17:21 < RangerZ> http://slashdot.org/topic/bi/is-gcc-4-8-a-quirky-mess/ interesting read
17:21 <@Corydon76-work> "Two new people want you."  No, they don't.  They're the same 2 people from 6 months ago that I clicked dislike on, and your site refuses to register that.
17:21 <@Evilpig> rattle: good point
17:21 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I would like to refer you to, well, exhibits 1996 through 1999.
17:22 <@klixa> i never used a dating site until 2 months ago.. i was just bored tho
17:22 <@Dagmar> It's with good _reason_ most people who want shit to work stay away from the latest gcc minor revision
17:22 <@klixa> someone on freenode in another channel was trying to show me the chicks he was trying to pic up and so many were all "blah you must have a profile" etc
17:22 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: You want some fun.  Get your straight ex-bf's photo and post a profile on a gay dating site...
17:22 <@Evilpig> rattle: example.  an internal food picture.  http://cpanayides.tumblr.com/post/73652110527/how-to-steal-good-liquor-from-your-exec-vp-get-the
17:23 < GateKeeper> Title: How to steal good liquor from your exec vp…get the... Won't the 'splodey hurt? (at cpanayides.tumblr.com)
17:23 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: hes my current bf...wanna see him? he nearly 50...but looks pretty good for his age
17:23 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: Don't you have an ex you could do that to?
17:23 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/1545989_237698823078984_1480526790_n.jpg
17:23 <@rattle> Evilpig: That's a good idea!
17:23 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: no...my last ex was 14 years ago abnd ugly...tho i dated some dude for 6 months a few months ago...but he wasnt attractive
17:24 <@klixa> my current is kinda my ex...btu....its complicated
17:24 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: Like I said, post his photo on a few dating apps, then chat with a few guys
17:24 <@Corydon76-work> the one from 6 months ago
17:24 <@klixa> i did that on irc when i was 17...pretended ot be a guy...ended up meeting one irl
17:24 <@klixa> (after telling him i was a girl)
17:24 <@Corydon76-work> Or your current, if he has a sense of humor
17:24 <@klixa> and he hooked me up with his straight friend
17:25 <@klixa> pretended to be a gay guy*
17:25 <@Corydon76-work> I would post a profile to you, but everybody else in here would be completely revolted by the gay porn ads in the margins
17:25 <@klixa> lol
17:26 < RangerZ> Dagmar: yeah, that post wasn't anything special, was just interesting to see what someone else thought was important
17:26 <@Evilpig> unless they are using adblocking goodness
17:26 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: that doesn't work when the ads are served by the same domain
17:26 <@rattle> ScriptSafe and NoScript have saved my ass from Corydon links more than once..
17:27 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: you can pm it
17:27 <@Corydon76-work> rattle: like with the Silver Collection on Tumblr?
17:27 <@rattle> That made it through.  And fuck you for that very much, thank you.
17:27 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: adblock is pretty good with indomain ads too
17:28 <@Evilpig> rattle: you weren't the only one burned on that
17:28 <@Corydon76-work> rattle: I'm sorry.  I can't stop laughing.
17:28 <@Evilpig> I at least spread that pain to my boss though
17:28 <@rattle> It's actually ok.  See, any link that comes from you, I treat kinda like /u/spacedicks.  I know what's coming, then it's suddenly awesome.
17:28 <@rattle> Well, ok.  Not really.  But you know what I mean.
17:28 <@Corydon76-work> I was sharing a bunch of grandpa porn links last night
17:29 <@Corydon76-work> It was like a trainwreck.  He couldn't look away.
17:29 <@rattle> I remember the uproar when Vile posted a bunch of junkie porn to memestreams...
17:30 <@Corydon76-work> You know you're getting older when you aren't completely revolted by grandpa porn
17:30 <@rattle> Good to know I'm still young at heart.
17:31 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Could be that you've just seen enough that you're now numb.
17:31 <@Corydon76-work> rattle: yeah.  Now compare my selections with Virgil.
17:31 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: that's a distinct possibility.
17:31 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work links:  gay.   virgil links:  gold.
17:32 <@Corydon76-work> My links make you want to claw your eyes out.  Virgil's links make you want to claw your brain out.
17:33 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: NOTABUG.  "Slimes spawn in areas below layer 40, and also spawn on the surface of swamps during the night, depending on the phase of the moon. In Superflat type worlds, the spawn rate is decreased."
17:34 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: Rattle's not commenting.  Could it be he's never seen Virgil's stuff?
17:35  * RangerZ walks away slowly
17:36  * benthemeek does as well
17:36 <@rattle> Are you fucking kidding me?  Of course I've seen Virgil's links!  Can't you see the scars when you look back into my eyes?
17:37 <@Corydon76-work> The funny thing is that Virgil is a brain researcher.  I think it's possible that he's acquired his collection just for the purpose of making seeing if he can make a brain scan burn out the screen.
17:37 <@Dagmar> Or, he's finally found a job that will let him look at whatever bizarre crap he wants to as research
17:38 <@rattle> Probably a mixture of the two.
17:38 <@rattle> I'm not sure if he's still that hardcore in that regard though..  I haven't dealt with him in awhile.
17:38 <@Corydon76-work> He surpassed bizarre his first year in college.
17:38 <@Dagmar> "And in these fifteen scans, we can see that we've made serious inroads towards identifying the section of the brain responsible for being horrified by pictures of old people bearing lemons."
17:39 <@Corydon76-work> We don't have a word for it, other than "Virgil porn"
17:39 <@Evilpig> virgil porn is best porn
17:40 < RangerZ> you should print some out
17:40 < RangerZ> and send it to notlarry at the noc
17:41 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: I think if you tried to do that, the printer would print out a note that said, "Oh, hell no"
17:41 < RangerZ> lol
17:43 <@Dagmar> Give me time to do more research
17:43 <@Dagmar> I saw a guy had identified certain minimalistic sections of currency that would make a printer refuse to print them
17:43 <@Dagmar> I don't want to bypass the mechanism.  I want to embed it in other things.
17:43 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: I used to have a DVD of violent yaoi rape.  It doesn't even come close.
17:44 < RangerZ> ouch...
17:45 < RangerZ> its part of the code in photoshop
17:45 <@Corydon76-work> In terms of the rape, let's just say that everybody who saw that now knows why they call it a "corn hole"
17:45 < RangerZ> its well publicized, but 'what' that pattern is, i dunno
17:45 <@Dagmar> It's also *in* printers
17:46 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, and copiers
17:48 <@Corydon76-work> The newest color copiers changed their approach.  Now, they will print the image, but they'll also microprint identification on the document itself
17:55 <@rattle> I did hear recently that Virgil successfully defended his thesis recently, whatever twisted shit that might have been.. j/k
17:55 <@rattle> So, he is actually a real doctor now.
17:55 <@rattle> Which is awesome.
17:55 <@Corydon76-work> Well, a Ph.D.
17:55 <@rattle> yeah.
17:56 <@rattle> He was a complete dick on that reality tv show though.
17:56 <@Evilpig> I told him congrats and I refuse to ever call him dr.
17:56 <@Corydon76-work> Eh, he was _portrayed_ as a complete dick on KotN
17:56 <@rattle> Or, at least his character was a dick..  I'd assume that's mostly scripted.
17:56 <@Corydon76-work> Not scripted, just heavily edited
17:56 <@Evilpig> that show was a joke.  no good nerd competition would ever end in a popularity contest
17:57 <@rattle> 100% agreed
17:57 <@Corydon76-work> The fact that he got so much screen time was to his credit, because it means that he actually had worthwhile insights
17:57 <@rattle> He was one of the only ones there due to actually being smart.
17:58 <@Corydon76-work> No, they all were smart in their own ways
17:58 <@Corydon76-work> You just identified with him
17:58 <@rattle> Ok, I can accept that.  I certain have a bias toward science/engineering nerds rather than pop culture nerds.
17:59 <@Evilpig> none of us would have watched it, if not for virgil  being on it
17:59 <@Corydon76-work> They did seem to inject one person in there who was mostly a drama queen, probably just to keep it interesting
17:59 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig++
17:59 <@rattle> Anyway, time for me to bolt.  ttyl NERDS
17:59 <@klixa> rattle: um.... wtf is a pop culture nerd
17:59 <@Dagmar> That's because "pop culture nerds" are generally just failed mall rats
17:59 < RangerZ> TV nerd
17:59 < RangerZ> etc
17:59 <@Evilpig> klixa: nerd with nothing to offer outside of tv / movie / comic book
17:59 <@rattle> klixa: "I'm a nerd because I know everything about Star Wars."
18:00 <@rattle> anyway, ttyl
18:00 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: comic book nerds, gamer nerds...
18:00 <@klixa> oh...ugh
18:00 <@anarchival> I those were "geeks."
18:00 <@klixa> fake nerds
18:00 <@anarchival> s/those/thought
18:00 <@Dagmar> Denizens of the Trailer Park
18:00 <@Corydon76-work> Basically what real nerds do to calm down is what they focused on
18:01 <@anarchival> http://www.robertlpeters.com/news/wp-content/uploads/Nerd_Dork_Geek_Dweeb.png
18:01 <@Corydon76-work> I was astonished at how few of the "Gay Geeks" actually could either program or administer a computer network.
18:01 <@Corydon76-work> They were mostly all Gaymers.
18:02 <@klixa> burn
18:02 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: and then, of course, there were the irritating anti-science morons
18:02 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Gaymers sounds like players who are gay to me. ;)
18:03 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: that's precisely what they are
18:03 <@Corydon76-work> Players in the computer game sense, not the hood sense.
18:05 <@Corydon76-work> I honestly don't know how you can be a geek or a nerd if you reject science.  The anti-vaxxers.  The anti-fluoridians.
18:05 <@Shadow404> hehe - @NASASocial: Meet @shadow404 Space & Tech Geek from Marietta GA with a passion for motorcycle racing. Looking forward to first #NASASocial.#TDRS
18:05 <@Corydon76-work> The morons who cite naturalnews in discussions
18:08 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: the anti-vax movement gets under my skin like not much else.
18:09 <@benthemeek> Unfortunately hanging out with hippies as much as I do some of them get caught up in the irrational conspiracies and it really tries me.
18:09 < RangerZ> no no no
18:09 < RangerZ> it gets 'on' to , then 'under' your skin
18:10 < RangerZ> but I agree 1000%
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18:12 <@klixa> ok speaking of vax....in Utah people write words and make pics in the salt flats...this is the one i photographed http://d.pr/i/hSe0
18:12 < GateKeeper> Title: 1347.JPG Droplr (at d.pr)
18:12 <@anarchival> http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/
18:13 <@benthemeek> There is so many things in this world that we can argue is right; Capitalism vs Social planning, liberty - security, coke or pepsi... but unless you just like the idea of lots of children dieing or being crippled for their whole lives I can't see how anyone can take the anti-vax movement seriously
18:14 <@klixa> that link has none of the side effects/deaths listed for vaccines tho
18:14 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, or the anti-fluoridians.  We've had this discussion.
18:14 <@klixa> i know its low...but its conveniently absent
18:14 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: vaccines don't kill anyone
18:14 <@SuMo_D> that'a awesome klixa... but makes me homesick...
18:14 <@SuMo_D> I miss massive expanses of desert where you can just do shit...
18:14 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: they can, if someone has an allergic reaction or something
18:15 <@benthemeek> Well 1 in a 100, 000 have a reaction right? So lets play the good odds *smh*
18:15 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, there are side effects, as there are for any treatment where you get stuck in the arm
18:15 <@SuMo_D> I mean fireworks are legal here but all the fields are "owned" by somebody... what fun is that?!
18:15 <@klixa> SuMo_D: yeah i like the west
18:15 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: this is why they ask you if you're allergic to a set of items before you get the shot
18:15 <@SuMo_D> Also RangerZ what were you volunteering me fore earlier? I was working
18:15 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: well... they start vaccines at age 6 weeks...who knows if the baby is allergic
18:16 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: and it's really not the vaccine that is causing that effect.  They can and do make alternative formulations for those people who are allergic
18:16 <@klixa> Corydon76-work: yeah, but what if you dont know?
18:16 <@klixa> anyways... now my anxiety is kicking in :/
18:16 <@Corydon76-work> If you don't know, that's why they keep the kid around for observation
18:17 <@Corydon76-work> You don't get vaccinations for a baby on the run
18:17 <@klixa> ok
18:17 <@Corydon76-work> After they get an injection, they keep you around for at least 20 minutes
18:18 <@SuMo_D> ugh... vaccines... so much conflict there for me... I still haven't been revaccinated... but probably should, but don't really want to, especially since my system has leveled out for now... but the potential for bad... ugh
18:18 <@klixa> medical stuff scares me
18:18 <@klixa> when i had my baby, i didnt get an epidural, etc
18:18 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: if your immune system isn't up to snuff, then vaccines won't help
18:18 <@klixa> medical interventon was scarier to me than pain
18:18 <@SuMo_D> I didn't get the shingles vaccine, and then I got it and wish I had... made my nerve damage that much worse
18:18 <@anarchival> I was allergic to amoxicillin when I was a kid. They gave it to me as a baby, I had a reaction there in the office, they countered it, and I just took a different penicillin for the rest of my life.
18:19 <@SuMo_D> Corydon76-work they recommend stem cell transplant patients get revaccinated a year after
18:19 <@SuMo_D> I'm 3 1/2 years out
18:19 <@anarchival> So it's not just vaccines, of course.
18:19 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: yeah, definitely do it
18:19 <@Corydon76-work> Especially if you travel and attend cons with geeks who aren't socially aware enough to stay home when they get sick
18:19 <@SuMo_D> I want to get some... but some are overkill I think... and its not that simple, mom is involved and mom is clearly anti-vaccine..
18:19 <@SuMo_D> lol
18:19 <@SuMo_D> I only went to PN
18:20 <@SuMo_D> that was my first trip in years
18:20 <@Corydon76-work> We're actually a lot better than some cons
18:20 < dwhess> You may have lucked out.  My unknown allergy to penicillin required an ER visit.
18:20 <@SuMo_D> but yes, point taken
18:20 <@Corydon76-work> But still, all it takes is that one wrong person to show up and infect you
18:20 <@SuMo_D> yep
18:21 < dwhess> Is that like work where you do not get payed for sick days yet they expect you not to infect everybody?
18:21 <@Corydon76-work> Okay, I need to run out and get some screws
18:21 <@SuMo_D> until recently I wasn't really interacting with people much...
18:21 <@SuMo_D> but yeah... that's changed
18:21 <@Corydon76-work> dwhess: I work from home.  The only break I get is an hour or two to go lie down
18:22 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: I'm good with this social interaction, here on IRC
18:22 < dwhess> Usually washing your hands a lot and not touching your face is good enough to prevent common infections.
18:22 <@Corydon76-work> That's why bickering annoys me, probably more than most
18:22 <@anarchival> I worked in the medical lab at the VA hospital for a semester in college and had to get about a half dozen vaccinations before I did.
18:22 < dwhess> IRC is easy though.  Just practice safe hex.
18:22 <@Corydon76-work> Peaches wanted me to go with him to the bar last night
18:22 <@anarchival> That's not a job for someone who wigs out about being around germs.
18:23 <@Corydon76-work> I declined.
18:23 <@SuMo_D> well, whatever works for you...
18:24 <@SuMo_D> I like people, and getting out makes me happy... been hanging out with the local punkers lately... they're all a crunchy - but yeah, figure I gotta build my immune system back sometime
18:24 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, they tipped their hand last night.  Apparently it wasn't much of an audition, considering that someone who showed up late and failed to perform got on cast.
18:24 <@SuMo_D> although it does really suck when I get sick... usually takes a month or two to get fully well from a stupid cold
18:24 <@Corydon76-work> How the fuck does someone show up late for a job interview and still get the job?
18:24 <@SuMo_D> lol
18:24 <@SuMo_D> they are just THAT good
18:25 <@SuMo_D> or the people are just THAT desperate
18:25 <@Corydon76-work> No, it means the auditions were just for show, and the outcome was predetermined
18:25 <@Corydon76-work> I fucking hate that, because I know how much Peaches put into being there.
18:25 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Are you saying there is bullshit politics in theater casting calls? Surely you jest!
18:25 <@SuMo_D> ah, yeah that too
18:25 <@SuMo_D> sorry dude :/
18:25 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: My condolences to Peaches, though. That sucks.
18:26 <@Corydon76-work> If he knew that, he wouldn't have spent any money putting together a new outfit
18:27 <@SuMo_D> :(
18:27 <@SuMo_D> lame
18:27 <@SuMo_D> but at least he has a nice new outfit
18:28 <@Corydon76-work> It'll go into storage.  He had decided to retire before last night, but this had given him hope that it might not be time to retire.
18:28 <@Corydon76-work> Instead, the experience just confirmed it
18:29 <@SuMo_D> ugh
18:29 <@Corydon76-work> He's a damn fine drag entertainer.
18:30 <@Corydon76-work> but the bullshit that goes on really makes it something that only the truly desperate will bother with it
18:30 <@Corydon76-work> The way it usually goes is that drag queens either retire because they're sick of the bullshit, or they overdose and die.
18:31 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: :(
18:31 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: you ever been by Performance Studios?
18:31 <@Evilpig> that's over by my old apt
18:32 <@Corydon76-work> One of the senior sales staff is a retired drag queen
18:33 <@benthemeek> *snort* http://www.tastefullyoffensive.com/2011/01/edgar-allan-pooh.html
18:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Tastefully Offensive: Edgar Allan Pooh (at www.tastefullyoffensive.com)
18:33 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I don't think so. I've never been to a drag show. It's one of those things I'd like to do sometime.
18:33 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: that is horrible
18:33 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: It used to be a joke between me and a friend that I can't leave the house without doing something for the first time. I haven't gotten out much.
18:34 <@Corydon76-work> Well, I need to head to Lowe's and pick up some 10-32 screws
18:34 <@Corydon76-work> Later
18:34 <@benthemeek> dont worry you will get other things too
18:35 <@benthemeek> thats how lowes is
18:35 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, possibly some corner brackets to cut, drill, and make into rack shelves
18:36 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: you wouldn't happen to have a drill press, would you?
18:36 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: check with critch
18:36 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, right, Critch would
18:37 <@Corydon76-work> Haven't seen him in years, though
18:37 <@Corydon76-work> He doesn't appear to be on FB anymore
18:38 <@Evilpig> he's on g+
18:38 <@Evilpig> I've got his cell, i think, if you need it
18:38 <@Corydon76-work> Ah...
18:40 <@Evilpig> think i'm about to try that awful pie from last night again
18:43 <@Corydon76-work> poontang pie?
18:46 <@SuMo_D> ah that's the other thing I wanted to get at harbor freight today! A drill press... dang it
18:47 <@SuMo_D> next time...
18:48 <@Evilpig> crust... still awful
18:51 <@Evilpig> hehe.  "Do you like my basement?"  Movie or Best pickup line ever?
19:00 <@Evilpig> http://iwatchstuff.com/2014/01/watch-emma-roberts-work-a-glory-hole-in.php
19:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Watch Emma Roberts Work a Glory Hole in the 'Adult World' Trailer | I Watch Stuff (at iwatchstuff.com)
19:08 <@oddball> Hmmm... groupon offer for $30 gift cert to sushi place for $15.... There will be sushi tonight!
19:12 <@SuMo_D> yum!
19:13 <@oddball> Naienko and I have discussed it... and we think we will order the sushi boat in all its tacky glory.
19:13 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: #1 Most Unsatisfying Linkbait of 2014
19:15 <@Evilpig> oddball: what have you got against the boat?
19:15 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: yeah it was and i'm ashamed
19:16 <@oddball> Nothing... it brings the noms.
19:17 <@Dagmar> The trailer was funny tho'.  "My friends know where I am!.."
19:17 <@Evilpig> I told tanya the other day that if notlarry gets hired up here we will all have to go out for sushi one night and I have a boat in mind from ninja sushi
19:19 <@Evilpig> https://www.grubhub.com/nyc/ninja-sushi-north-brunswick-township/
19:19 < GateKeeper> Title: Ninja Sushi 1864 Arlington Ave North Brunswick Township | Order Delivery online with GrubHub (at www.grubhub.com)
19:20 <@Dagmar> Make him *sign a lease* somewhere legit if he moves up there
19:20 <@Dagmar> ...but you'll have a hard time getting him to walk away from college reimbursement
19:21 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: college reimbursement is only of value if you have someone in college or planning on being in college
19:22 <@Dagmar> The Notkids are refusing to acknowledge he's their dad?
19:26 <@Evilpig> wouldn't you?
19:26 <@Evilpig> or should that be an "are you?"
19:39 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: I do not :(
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20:25 <@klixa> Evilpig: lol
21:16 <@anarchival> There's a new Wes Anderson movie starring Ralph Fiennes, so I expect it to be on the subject of evil.
22:11 < aestetix> penis
22:23 <@klixa> some people like to say things like "hi" aestetix
22:29 <@Evilpig> klixa: those people are strange
22:29 < RangerZ> aestetix: is just telling us what he's thinking about
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22:36 <@sdodson> hi there
22:49 <@oddball> so...much...sushi....
22:51 <@Evilpig> ass
22:51 <@oddball> and then I stopped at the store and got some mint ice cream
22:52  * oddball struggles to fight off food coma to watch Lost Girl.
22:54 <@sdodson> Sushi makes me happy.
22:54 <@Evilpig> lost girl was ... both sucky and good last night
22:54  * oddball cues it up
22:56 <@Evilpig> I had best get ready for bed
22:56 <@sdodson> me too
22:57 <@Evilpig> I was hoping to get to see archer before passing out but I haven't seen it post yet
23:01 <@Evilpig> and there it is.  lol
23:04 < aestetix> vagina
23:05  * Evilpig hits aestetix on the nose with a rolled up newspaper
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23:27 < RangerZ> oddball: you own a Wii U don't you?
23:27 < RangerZ> anyone else? Evilpig
23:29 <@oddball> Yeah, i do.
23:29 <@oddball> As does Evilpig
23:29 < RangerZ> I'm just curious if you'd think the system without the tablet but with normal wiimotes and came with nice game or two, do you think it would be a good buy? (i'm just curious about what nintendo could do to 'salvage' it)
23:30 <@oddball> They need to do one thing to "salvage" the system: get titles worth playing on it.
23:30 < RangerZ> nintendo just needs to get rid of the old guard, is what obviously needs to happen
23:31 < RangerZ> because you know... their game devs didn't know the system was coming out or anything
23:31 < RangerZ> because no one wanted a new smash bros. or metroid
23:31 <@oddball> Honestly, the tablet is a nice addition and the games that take advantage of it are nice, but there's just not many titles for the system.
23:32 < RangerZ> yeah, sadly there were more/better titles for the 3DS than the wii u
23:32 <@oddball> I believe there is a new smash bros in the works, but yeah... it should have been a release title.
23:33 < RangerZ> fire emblem, pokemon, brand new zelda, let alone the atlus RPGs
23:33 < RangerZ> those 3 would have been system sellers too
23:33 <@oddball> I've been really looking foward to Bayonetta 2 coming out on it, but that's going to be... um... sometime this year?
23:33 < RangerZ> yeah, i never played 1, but i've heard its really good
23:34 <@oddball> Yeah, the Wii U would be awesome for RPGs with the second screen.  Gamers have already seen that on the 3DS.
23:34 < RangerZ> http://www.atlus.com/conception2/
23:34 < GateKeeper> Title: Pre-order Conception II, a new RPG for Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation Vita! Available Spring 2013. (at www.atlus.com)
23:35 < RangerZ> they need to get atlus(now sega owned) to push games there
23:35 < RangerZ> b/c atlus games ARE system sellers
23:35 <@oddball> And I have to second the question of why there has been a Pokemon on the Wii U.  It's a Nintendo brand, so that's not the issue, and there's a rather large built in audience that has proven that it will drop lots of money to play the next installment.
23:36 < RangerZ> yep
23:36 < RangerZ> no..
23:36 < RangerZ> what i'm fucking surprised about
23:36 < RangerZ> no "skylanders/disney infinity" pokemon version
23:36 < RangerZ> fucking collectables you can 'play' in game
23:37 <@oddball> As for selling it without the tablet, meh.  I think that doing that would make it difficult to differenciate from the Wii, since the Wii U is an incremental upgrade in a lot of ways.
23:37 < RangerZ> each sells for 15$
23:37 <@Evilpig> pokemon wouldn';t work that well.  you know how many of those fucking things there are?
23:37 < RangerZ> Evilpig: thats the point
23:37 <@Evilpig> if you could drop the toys to $1-2 sure
23:37 < RangerZ> i'd say 3~5$ each
23:37 <@Evilpig> even then you're looking at 200-500
23:37 < RangerZ> so?
23:37 < RangerZ> think about beanie babiesa
23:37 <@Evilpig> so you won't get people to pony up that much
23:37 < RangerZ> and other collectors shit
23:38 < RangerZ> you don't release ALL of them
23:38 < RangerZ> obviously
23:38 <@oddball> They should have done the tie in with the cards system that they toyed with with the 3DS.
23:38 <@Evilpig> they have done something similar in the past
23:38 <@oddball> Start making the Pokemon cards interact with the system?
23:38 <@Evilpig> there were teh ar cards for the pokedex
23:38 < RangerZ> AR cards
23:38 <@Evilpig> as well as the qr codes to unlock shit in the pokedex
23:39 <@oddball> Oh, did they do Pokemon AR cards?
23:39 <@Evilpig> yeah.  you can google them
23:39 < RangerZ> the AR on the system is pretty good if you do it right (look at the Bravely Default) ones
23:39 <@Evilpig> it's actually pretty neat use of ar
23:39 <@oddball> They should have just made all new Pokemon cards have that feature.
23:39 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkqlbLhyvNc
23:39 < GateKeeper> Title: Bravely Default AR English Dub - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:39 < RangerZ> oddball: but thats requiring new thinking
23:40 < RangerZ> nintendo still has the same upper mang. from the 80s or something
23:40 < RangerZ> lol
23:40 <@Evilpig> i'd love to see the ar cards work with actual pokemon cards in a way where if you watched two people playing and got the 3ds int he right spot fights would actually happen
23:40 <@Evilpig> that would be bad... fucking.. ass
23:40 < RangerZ> Evilpig: yeah
23:40 <@oddball> Instead, they had this nifty thing that they tried half heartedly, and it never really went anywhere.
23:40 <@Evilpig> the technical restrictions on that are impossible but it would be bad ass
23:41 <@Evilpig> bbiab
23:42 < RangerZ> there is actually an anime that covers 'something' like that
23:42 < RangerZ> Gundam Builders (they have the tech to 'move' the plastic like "real" gundam mecha would, so you can battle them on tabletop
23:42 < RangerZ> pretty interesting concept
23:43 <@oddball> Yeah... it's not the only anime that has had that concept.
23:43 < RangerZ> its an _obvious_ bandai ploy to get people into building models at a young age
23:43 < RangerZ> oddball: yeah, i just mean 'currently'
23:43 < RangerZ> yugioh was like that
23:43 < RangerZ> the anime atleast
23:43 <@oddball> I was just typing that. :)
23:44 < RangerZ> lol
23:44 < RangerZ> actually the manga for yugioh was pretty good
23:44 < RangerZ> but was DARK, and twisted
23:44 <@oddball> I actually watched some of the anime at the begining, and it wasn't half bad.
23:44 < RangerZ> and it wasn't related to card games at first, just a guy with a split personality who like to gamble with causing pain
23:44 < RangerZ> manga = nothing like anime/card game
23:45 <@oddball> woah... yeah...
23:45 < RangerZ> he'd break your hand if you lost the game
23:45 < RangerZ> etc
23:45 < RangerZ> then he 'found' the card game
23:45 <@oddball> ok... well... Lost Girl is over.  I think I will succumb to my food coma now.
23:45 < RangerZ> and it went into that direction
23:46 < RangerZ> have fun with that
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