--- Log opened Fri Jan 17 00:00:51 2014
00:06 <@Dagmar> Meh.  Apparently Opheria just buys shittons of Quick Balls
00:06 <@eryc> o_O
00:07 <@anarchival> Dagmar: You ought to just make an honest woman out of her. You're clearly soulmates.
00:07 <@Evilpig> I buy shitloads of the ultraballs
00:08 <@Dagmar> WEll, afaik it's about hte same odds
00:08 <@Dagmar> She apparently just goes "Oh.  Don't have this one.  *THROW*"
00:08 <@Dagmar> I can't help but think that might actually be better than what we're doing.  heh
00:08 <@Dagmar> I mean, it it works you're done.  No stupid paralysis to heal or silly shit like that
00:09 <@Dagmar> I fucking hate that shit
00:09  * Dagmar wanders into grass.
00:09  * Dagmar is attacked by level 6 Pupitar.  Ohnoes!
00:09 <@Dagmar> *@!#$@#$
00:09  * Dagmar throws out lv. 84 Mega Blaziken.
00:10 <@Dagmar> Blaziken gets paralyzed or poisoned for breathing on the fucker and killing it
00:10 <@Dagmar> Finally figured out why some people get this blue glowy halo in the PSS
00:13 <@anarchival> Veronus gets drunk and is all, like, "fuck 'em. Fuck every last one of them. The men we served with...the Greeks. Fuck 'em." And he's right
00:14 <@Dagmar> Well, yes.
00:14 <@Dagmar> Apparnetly the Greeks were rather good at it or something
00:15 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I can give you the tour of the Parthenon some time. But in short, yes.
00:15 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I am starting to see some of the things in this version of Pokemon as basically fanservice.
00:17 <@Dagmar> The day care center being on the incredibly longest straight shot road in the history of POkemon being one of those things
00:19 <@Dagmar> Kind of an interesting approach towards refining play, tho'.
00:19 <@Dagmar> Blizzard, when they find something people really don't like doing and view as tedium, tend to just fucking remove it
00:19 <@Dagmar> Game Freak just hands you a stupidly simple way to make it not matter.  heh
00:20 <@Dagmar> This time all the way up to "Are your pokemon generally flaccid and worthless?  HAVE SOME POWER TRAINING!"
00:21 <@Dagmar> motherfucking Mojang needs to get that goddamn API done
00:22 <@Dagmar> 'cuz I'm really liking the idea of a Nagios output monitor
00:23 <@Evilpig> lol
00:23 <@Evilpig> the tumblr guys were talking about rust this morning
00:23 <@anarchival> Nagois + Minecraft = whaaaaa?
00:23 <@Dagmar> I think it would be funny to just render al the servers as stacks of stone and set them on fire when they go critical
00:24 <@Dagmar> s/al/all/
00:24 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I dunno about that one.  It sounds both incredibly tempting and incredibly frustrating
00:25 <@SuMo_D> http://www.pinterest.com/pin/82190761923849619/
00:25 <@anarchival> Gluster sounds cool.
00:27 <@Evilpig> fuckin cat.  she's trying to eat unpopped popcorn kernels
00:27 <@Dagmar> anarchiva: There is also that the mob AI in Minecraft is truly shit
00:27 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Okay well not shit exactly, but it's barely one step above everything just beelining for you
00:27 <@northrup> anarchival: Gluster is neat, Lustre is really cool too
00:27 <@Dagmar> I would *really* like a crack at redoing the zombies Ai to make them much more like zombies
00:28 <@anarchival> Live by the snake, die by the snake.
00:29 <@Dagmar> Yes, well, I would actually like it if the zombies were actually threatening
00:29 <@Dagmar> NotLarry would never be able to play on our server again, but I would like it
00:29 <@Dagmar> He gets murdered by everything.
00:30 <@anarchival> northrup: I feel a need to program this sort of thing in Erlang.
00:30 <@Dagmar> I would also really, really enjoy reading reports of my zombies murdering children.
00:31 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I think of zombies as stumbling, loveable pets.
00:31 <@Dagmar> anarchival: In Minecraft, they might as well be
00:31 <@Evilpig> anarchival: zombies or men?
00:31 <@northrup> some things, a compiled language is best for, me thinks disk i/o access is one of them
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00:31 <@Dagmar> northup: Yeah probably so.
00:31 <@anarchival> Evilpig: I don't keep men as pets. They bite.
00:32 <@Evilpig> so do zombies
00:32 <@Dagmar> Certainly something with an aggressive garbage collector at any rate
00:32 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Only if they catch you. Zombies are slower.
00:32 <@Dagmar> Part of the reason I put torches all over the place in MC is because after a few attacks I sort of fall into "Quake Mode" and just run around killing things and forget what the fuck I was trying to build in the first place
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00:35 <@anarchival> I just end up farming. Wheat, skeletons. It ends up being as monotonous as real life.
00:36 <@Evilpig> speaking of minecraft.  now that I have a better processor in my hosting server I may fire that back up tomorrow.  see what the new dynmap looks like
00:36 <@northrup> anarchival: that's how I ended up feeling about EVE Online
00:36 <@Dagmar> evilpig: There are some truly bizarre things possible with command blocks
00:36 <@Evilpig> good deal
00:37 <@Evilpig> i'm crashing now though.
00:37 <@anarchival> northrup: Yeah. I couldn't find a guild, so it ended up just being training training training mining training training salvage training training training random piracy.
00:37 <@Evilpig> gotta go get that crate shipped down to nashville and then get one of y'all to cram anarchival in it before it comes back
00:38 <@anarchival> Evilpig: You'll never take me alive.
00:38  * Evilpig makes a note to buy lots of febreeze
00:39 <@Dagmar> Clean Spray!
00:39 <@Evilpig> hadn't really considered necrofelia before but why not
00:40 <@SuMo_D> I mean you are in Jersey now right
00:40 <@SuMo_D> do as the natives do
00:40 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Sigh. You really are desperate. Okay, alright.
00:40 <@Evilpig> grease my hair back and get in a tanning bed?
00:41 <@northrup> Evilpig: don't forget to put a ring on every finger... some gold chains too...
00:41 <@SuMo_D> yes and get violent and weird sexually... there you go
00:41 <@Evilpig> I can say this, the women that stand out up here make me angry.  I want to punch them in their obnoxious faces
00:41 <@SuMo_D> lol
00:41 <@SuMo_D> wow... well... at least you said it out loud
00:42 <@anarchival> Evilpig: It's like you're almost charming, almost, just barely, and then POOF it's gone.
00:42 <@Evilpig> almost?  how the hell did I get there?
00:42 <@SuMo_D> ha - I second that
00:43 <@Evilpig> I can't tell you how many times i've been waiting for a table and had one of these local bitches come in there and raise a stink over having to wait.  or fuck... if I come in after them and get a table before them you'd think I just shot their puppy
00:44 <@Evilpig> sorry bitch.. I am a single person I can sit anywhere.  you and your loud pack of other bitches require more room. :P
00:45 <@Evilpig> plus their accent sounds like nails on a chalkboard. 
00:45 <@anarchival> Evilpig: It's nice you're teaching those Yankee girls about Southern gentlemen and chivalry.
00:45 <@Evilpig> if I was doing that i'd be wearing a white brimmed hat and carrying around a broken cane.
00:46 <@Evilpig> I mean it'd start out like a regular cane... but i'd be breaking canes on bitches left and right
00:46 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Don't forget the seersucker.
00:46 <@SuMo_D> yeah.... but its Jersey... they'd break you back
00:47 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Actually, when I went to a strip club in Vegas with the guy who took my virginity, there was a group of guys in there wearing seersucker.
00:47 <@anarchival> I beat them roundly about the head and shoulders.
00:47 <@anarchival> In my mind.
00:49 <@oddball> Evilpig: I have some canes that you would have serious trouble breaking.
00:49 <@Evilpig> oddball: we're talking some serious attitudes here
00:50 <@oddball> Well... if the white oak that I use for martial arts doesn't hold up, there's always the steam punk one I have made out of a copper pipe...
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00:51 <@Evilpig> the copper one would just bend, eventually
00:51 <@Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGtGmmcdQZU
00:51 < GateKeeper> Title: How to Build a Mountain with One Command Block -- Minecraft Trick - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:52 <@oddball> Then there's this fucker... made of fiber glass: http://www.amazon.com/City-Stick-Alumium-Head-37-63/dp/B00ERXDVCA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1389937867&sr=8-3&keywords=cold+steel+cane
00:52 <@anarchival> If it doesn't have a sword concealed in it, it's not a cane.
00:53 <@oddball> Of course... if you're truly having issues with even the white oak... I can teach you how to properly beat someone with a cane. :)
00:54 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: that command block is lol
00:54 <@oddball> anarchival: I keep thinking about getting a sword cane... but it's hard to find a sword cane where the actual blade is worth a damn and not cheap shit from Pakistan.
00:54 <@oddball> And trust me... if I've got a cane, I don't need no stinking blade.
00:55  * Evilpig is away: zzzzzzzzz
00:55 <@Dagmar> Good luck finding one that's legal
00:55 <@anarchival> oddball: The only solution is to make one. I've been meaning to apprentice myself to a bladesmith.
00:55 <@oddball> Dagmar: Oh, that's easy to do.
00:55 <@oddball> Not for Evilpig, since he's now in a land that hates personal freedom.
00:56 <@oddball> anarchival: Yeah... I've been talking to Critch about getting together and making some knives.
00:57 <@oddball> Not looking at building anything fancy... yet.
00:57 <@oddball> Actually making a knife is not that difficult.  A sword?  That's a different story.
00:59 <@oddball> Dagmar: There's nothing in this state that forbids sword canes.
00:59 <@Dagmar> I was under the impression that they were not kosher by virtue of the fact that they look like not-knives
01:00 <@anarchival> It's illegal to carry a blade over 3.25 inches.
01:00 <@anarchival> I might be getting the fraction wrong.
01:00 <@oddball> Nope.  There's only a handful of states that outlaw knives that don't look like knives.  I think NY, CA, an CT.
01:00 <@anarchival> But yes, sword canes are technically illegal.
01:00 <@anarchival> Then again, we're in a Stand Your Ground state.
01:00 <@oddball> anarchival: 4 inches in the state of TN.
01:00 <@anarchival> So if you pull it and you're within your rights to use it, you don't get prosecuted.
01:01  * anarchival isn't a lawyer, please consult your attorney.
01:01 <@northrup> oddball: wait, really? I can't have a blade longer than 4 inches here in TN?
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01:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/482445197/unsung-story-tale-of-the-guardians
01:01 < GateKeeper> Title: Unsung Story: Tale of the Guardians by Playdek Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
01:01 <@anarchival> It's actually shorter than four inches. Might be 3.75. It's some stupid fraction.
01:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> so... look at $160
01:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> "get credited as "design consultant" in the game"
01:01 <@oddball> anarchival: no.  It's not.
01:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> would be funny as hell to put that on a resume, LOL
01:02 <@oddball> or cite the law saying otherwise.
01:04 <@oddball> northrup: Legal to own, but illegal to carry.  I think the actual language is that it's illegal to carry over 4" blades with intent to go armed, but good luck convincing the nice cop that you're carrying a machette for other reasons unless you're currently in the woods.
01:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohio has the same thing, sorta
01:05 <@anarchival> oddball: Blade exceeding four inches. You're right:
01:05 <@anarchival> Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1307
01:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> legal to own a katana, unable to carry it in public
01:05 <@anarchival> In my defense, that was changed in 2013.
01:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> probably TN catching the fuck up to every other state
01:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> next year they admit they lost the civil war
01:06 <@oddball> anarchival: Pretty sure the only change was that a state preemption ao that local municipalities couldn't make their own laws.
01:06 <@SuMo_D> they have a bladesmithing weekend workshop at the tryon school of craft I've been wanting to go to
01:07 <@oddball> I've been very careful of knife laws for a good while due to carrying one everywhere I go.
01:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> SuMo_D: you should go to Cedar Point in ohio this summer
01:07 <@SuMo_D> there is a local metal artist who as going do do a welding and smithing course too, but I'm not sure if he's going to do much blade work... and yeah.. I'm not sure if I could actually do it... but I'd like to think I could try
01:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> probalby best amusement park we have in the country (i don't count disney as single parks, lol)
01:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> they have an entire blacksmiths section
01:07 <@SuMo_D> sweet
01:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> and more roller coasters than anywhere else
01:08 <@SuMo_D> oddball I think just about EVERY male is the south carries a knife everywhere they go
01:08 <@SuMo_D> or at least the ones in IT... for whatever reason
01:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> wanna travel 130 MPH at -5 degree down
01:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> to cut cables/ boxes, etc
01:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell I have carried a all in one multi tool since HS working lighting for concerts
01:10 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: It is legal to carry it if you're in costume, etc.
01:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> not in OH
01:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> friend almost got busted on that
01:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> on halloween
01:10 <@oddball> Ah, sorry, thought you were talking about TN still.
01:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> np
01:11 <@northrup> AH Found IT!
01:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> SuMo_D: was it you who was saying they were interested in learning good app UI design?
01:11 <@SuMo_D> was I?
01:11 <@northrup> TCA 39.17.1307:a-1 "A person commits an offense who carries with the intent to go armed a firearm, a knife with a blade length exceeding four inches (4''), or a club."
01:11 <@SuMo_D> I want to LEARN ALL THE THINGS
01:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.coursera.org/course/android
01:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Coursera.org (at www.coursera.org)
01:12 <@SuMo_D> cool... not really quite where I'm at right now, but I think one of the kids in our program would be all over this...
01:12 <@SuMo_D> he's been really into Java lately
01:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz9FWJ0zQUo
01:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Mobile Cloud Computing with Android - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:14 <@anarchival> Hey, you guys? The VP of Nashville 2600 has an entire training company dedicated to cross-platform mobile dev, including Android.
01:14 <@anarchival> FYI
01:15 <@anarchival> I am not going to feel well in the morning. I
01:15 <@anarchival> I should stop drinking.
01:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> so who else wants to keep her up talking and drinking all night now?
01:16  * anarchival puts down the bourbon, gets undressed, gets into bed, keeps chatting in IRC
01:16 <@northrup> anarchival: Whoa...
01:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> you had cloths on?
01:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> pshh, amatuer
01:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> we've all been naked for hours
01:17  * oddball is known to go days without pants.
01:17 <@anarchival> RangerZ: I know, it's weird. But it's been cold.
01:17  * anarchival cuddles with her heating pad.
01:18 <@oddball> Hell, I spent all of Phreaknic sans-pants. :p
01:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> i wish
01:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> 12 meeting with some USAF guys or something *no clue*
01:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> 12pm*
01:18 <@SuMo_D> oddball yes you did and looked good doing it ;)
01:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> so that requires pant
01:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> unelss I want droned from a remote controller in NV
01:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:19 <@SuMo_D> gotta give the boys at Nellis something to do....
01:19 <@oddball> SuMo_D: woohoo! :)
01:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> they tried once, the missed b/c I tripped and the missile flew right past me
01:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> luck of the irish right there
01:22 <@oddball> I would say you're referencing a scene from Best Defense... but I'm probably the only one here that has seen/remembers that movie.
01:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> with a 3.5/10 on IMDB
01:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'd say so
01:24 <@oddball> Damn... didn't think it was that bad,
01:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> but it had eddie murphy when he was still not yet making good movies
01:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> and i'm amazed he still gets paid like 40$million per film or something stupid like that
01:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently they are all massive failures here in the US, but they do really well overseas
01:30 <@oddball> And... well... it also starred Dudley Moore.
01:36 <@aestetix> vagina
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02:56 <@aestetix> is it sad that I am highly entertained by watching videos of people playing videogames?
03:11 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: why would it be sad for you to obtain pleasure at watching others pleasure themselves?
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08:06 <@Shadow404> heh, target is offering 1 year of free credit monitoring after their data intrusion
08:31 <@brimstone> Shadow404: link?
08:42 <@Dagmar> Target's goddamn site
08:42 <@Dagmar> THey fucked up slightly and have exposed someone *else's* secret
08:43 <@brimstone> https://corporate.target.com/discover/article/free-credit-monitoring-and-identity-theft-protecti
08:43 < GateKeeper> Title: free credit monitoring and identity theft protection with Experian’s ProtectMyID now available (at corporate.target.com)
08:44 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: So, if you got the email, did you look at who sent it>?
08:55 <@Shadow404> i didnt get that gar yet
08:55 <@Shadow404> *far
08:56 <@Shadow404> just read the email and commented
08:57 <@Shadow404> targetnews@target.bfi0.com
08:57 <@Shadow404> probably a mass email company
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09:39 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Guess how they got your email address.
09:49 <@Shadow404> yeah, eek
09:50 <@Shadow404> bank is already aware and keeping an eye for those affected, got a couple of assurance calls making sure certain random purchases were me this month alone
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09:52 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: No seriously.  Guess how they get your email address.  You don't sound upset yet.
09:53 <@Evilpig> now that is interesting but not surprising.  minecraft won't take advantage of the extra cpu power
09:54 <@Dagmar> Yeah it's basically only going to use a second processor for java housekeeping shit
09:54 < MinecraftRelay> [dynmap] wilpig: Testing dynmap...  test, test, test
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09:56 <@Evilpig> http://dynmap.wilpig.org/?worldname=world&mapname=surface&zoom=6&x=-23.4&y=64&z=157.5
09:56 < GateKeeper> Title: Minecraft Dynamic Map (at dynmap.wilpig.org)
09:56 <@Evilpig> it'll take forever but we'll see how the new dynmap functions
09:58 <@Dagmar> Gotta love them weather changes
09:58 <@Shadow404> im trying to figure out where i left my aircraft carrier?
09:59 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: That part of the map isn't rendered yet
09:59 <@Evilpig> give it a few hours and i'm sure it will be on the map
09:59 <@Shadow404> its loading really quick
09:59 <@Evilpig> the spawn has moved.
10:00 <@Dagmar> Yep, or at least as far as dynmap is concerned it has
10:00 <@Dagmar> The spawnpoint really shoudln't have moved from any change to the server code that I can recally
10:00 <@Evilpig> with as old as this map is, anything is possible
10:01 <@Shadow404> glad they did away with the google map api
10:01 <@Shadow404> that was buggy anyway you looked at it
10:02 <@Evilpig> ummm I think this is still the googlemaps api
10:03 <@Shadow404> well, is a new overlay system that doesnt hang
10:04 <@Shadow404> uh, what happened to my ship!
10:05 <@Shadow404> i see my lighthouse
10:05 <@Evilpig> damn you're an impatient fuck
10:05 <@Dagmar> heheh
10:06 <@Shadow404> i think it see remains is what im saying...
10:07 <@Dagmar> It's probably for the best that spawn moved.
10:07 <@Evilpig> I had the spawn protected
10:07 <@Dagmar> Yes, well, it had also been blown to fuck
10:07 <@Evilpig> there was/is a well let house that you spawned inside of with warp points all over
10:08 <@Dagmar> BTW you can do that stuff with CommandBlocks now
10:08 <@Dagmar> The only thing is that they're a little unpicky when they trigger.
10:08 <@Dagmar> You can have them /tp "@p", which you might think would just be the player...
10:08 <@Dagmar> ...except it's the _nearest_ player.
10:10 <@Dagmar> Fun lulz to be had by triggering them after a small delay during which the attacker logs out
10:10 <@Shadow404> hehe, i can see my 26/00 runway next to my old castle....
10:11 <@Evilpig> haha.  the goatse that we never finished
10:11 <@benthemeek> Anyone here use the vmware (whatever the free version is now)
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10:12 <@Dagmar> I use libvirtd for that stuff now
10:12 <@Evilpig> vmware server or you can do esx free
10:12 <@Evilpig> I'm with dag and using kvm now
10:12 <@benthemeek> I have been to (kvm) but it looks like I have no choice for a certain thing but to have vmware
10:12 <@Evilpig> why?
10:13 <@Evilpig> I converted all of my vmware machines directly over to kvm and had no issues
10:13 <@benthemeek> KVM runs linux and windows great but I have to virtualize sco unixware
10:13 <@Dagmar> You should be able to do that with KVM
10:13 <@benthemeek> I have made it work but qemu sucketh in the performance
10:13 <@benthemeek> Its performing at like pentium 100 speeds
10:13 <@Dagmar> Umm... I think that perhaps you're just seeing SCO's underlying suck shining through.
10:13 <@benthemeek> yeah i know
10:14 <@Shadow404> cool, my underwater chunnel is still there, not submerged yet
10:14 <@benthemeek> but it works well with vmware so i am trying to figure out how they have changed in the last five years and what I am allowed to do for free
10:14 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: just get esx and you'll be fine
10:14 <@Evilpig> dolemite has been running it home for a while now 
10:14 <@benthemeek> ESXi is free?
10:14 <@Evilpig> he said the only caveat he hit was that you cannot enable snmp after the 30 day enterprise trial runs out
10:16 <@eryc> its free you just can't do live migrations and a few other things you won't need
10:16 <@benthemeek> Looks like they have changed their licenses and free products so many times I havent wanted to go near them in a while
10:16 <@benthemeek> I will check it out
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10:18 <@benthemeek> I am going to have not have file level access to the images after getting used to kvm
10:18 <@benthemeek> hate*
10:19 <@Mirage> benthemeek: free..with limitations.  single socket, 32G ram, stand alone.  Most of the cool features require vCenter, which is not free (DR, migrations, cloning, templates, etc)
10:21 <@benthemeek> single socket host system?>
10:21 < MinecraftRelay> [dynmap] wilpig: dagmar: here is the old spawn point.  http://dynmap.wilpig.org/?zoom=9&x=-82&y=64&z=-39
10:21 < GateKeeper> Title: Minecraft Dynamic Map (at dynmap.wilpig.org)
10:24 <@Mirage> The physical host you install ESXi on.
10:25 <@Mirage> Mine is a single 8-core, 16G ram, 6T Raid 5, 250G ssd (for swap), and a 320G SATA for ISO storage.
10:25 <@Mirage> And ESXi is simply running off an 8G thumb drive.
10:26 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Believe me I recognize the location from memory
10:26 <@Evilpig> just saying.  its not blown up
10:26 <@Dagmar> I stopped letting myself ever get killed because for months I was too lazy to move my spawnpoint and had never relocated a new bed
10:27 <@Dagmar> not blown up currently, but Warren had been having regular creeper orgies there or something and the entire area around it is kind of a slum
10:28 <@Evilpig> iirc the inner layer of the house there is bedrock
10:30 <@aestetix> how fast is ssd compared to ram?
10:30 <@eryc> Mirage: what chassis did you put all that in?
10:30 <@Dagmar> aestetix: About as effective as running from swap on a really good day
10:30 <@Mirage> A thermaltake mid-tower that i had laying around.
10:31 <@Mirage> aestetix: SSD for swap is an ESXi thing..it's for the VM hosts
10:31 <@Dagmar> It also makes their performance suck cock
10:31 <@Dagmar> The best part is, it'll also hide this from you.
10:32 <@Dagmar> You will have no way to tell from within the guest OS where those missing clockcycles are going.
10:32 <@eryc> SSDs are like a 1000x slower than memory
10:32 <@Mirage> Dagmar: yeah..it's so much better to let the system saturate the physical memory and then start using a normal HDD or in this case USB stick for swap instead of using an SSD
10:33 <@Dagmar> An SSD would be better than a thumbdrive, but in every case where the guest OS kernel expets to be pulling some info from RAM, and instead winds up pulling it from a *disk* through the magic of virtualization, performance will fucking suck.
10:33 <@Dagmar> As far as the guest kernel is concerned, time *stops* until those calls return
10:34 <@Dagmar> If your shit is time sensitive, the box won't be happy
10:34 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Remember how a certain dumbass did that to some webservers at Vandy?
10:34 <@Dagmar> ...had the fucking things actually *not* using RAM from ESX/
10:34 <@Mirage> Dagmar: by default they're stored w/ the system VMDK files..so which do you think is better?
10:34 <@Dagmar> Spending fucking money
10:35 <@Dagmar> Performance was _bafflingly_ shit when they were configured like that
10:36 <@Dagmar> If this were all database processing where latency isnt' that big of a deal, it would be okay that it was slow
10:36 <@Dagmar> If latency is going to be an issue, having ESX swap it's virtualized memory out to anything will be pain
10:36 <@Dagmar> And once again, fuck those people
10:36 <@Dagmar> Fuck them fuck them fuck them.
10:37 <@Mirage> Dagmar: the fact that the SP's for the underlying storage were saturated to the point that they were having to do forced cache flushes in order to perform new operations, i think that the issue was more than just the memory configuration on the VMs.
10:37 <@Dagmar> I am still shocked the asshole was trying to order me to stop looking for the source of the problems
10:37 <@Dagmar> ...and fuck them for pretending like they never happened.
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10:37 <@Mirage> Sean just made it worse because he, like the rest of ITS, wouldn't admit to what the root cause was.
10:37 <@Dagmar> Mirage: No we had a lot of different things going on during the first End Of The World event
10:38 <@Dagmar> What pisses me off is that we basically got zero kudos for chasing that shit down and fixing it, because it was other people's eye-watering fuckups that were OUTSIDE FUCKING CHANGE MANAGEMENT
10:38 <@aestetix> Dagmar: could you get around the ESX looking on disk issue by making a ramdisk?
10:38 <@Dagmar> Remember, I did tell them "This will happen again" and it *did* happen again
10:38 <@Dagmar> aestetix: you high?
10:39 <@Dagmar> You need to bring some of that to PN, man
10:39 <@aestetix> Lol
10:39 <@Dagmar> Seriosly, you just suggested a RAMdisk as a way to deal with being out of RAM.
10:39 <@aestetix> Ok, I think I misunderstood the issue.
10:39 <@Dagmar> Mirage: The moment that shit started acting up again, I could tell because of having Cacti graphs going seven ways from Sunday
10:40 <@aestetix> I thought there was a configuration issue that caused ESX to read from disk *rather* than ram.
10:40 <@Dagmar> ...and the pisser is that it took *Roland* complaining shit was slow, because of people complaining of endless SHAREPOINT slowness, to get Hogan ot fucking recognize there was a problem and start migrating things off the fucking NS960.
10:40 <@aestetix> Rather than just using swap
10:40 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Sort of.  The issue is you can configure ESX to not really guarante the amount of RAM it actually lets the virtualized host use
10:41 <@aestetix> That seems problematic.
10:41 <@Dagmar> ...and if you do something as fucking stupid as setting the lower limit to say, 1Gb... and the virtual machine thinks it has 4Gb... well... 3Gb of memory on the virtual host are now going to mysteriously have the performance of operating out of swap.
10:42 <@Dagmar> It makes certain parts of Linux misbehave like a motherfucker, particularly otherwise perfectly reasonable disk caching
10:42 <@Dagmar> That stuff assumes RAM == fast, disk == slow.
10:42 <@Dagmar> Then RAM == slow and disk == slow, all that performance dribbles down the chin
10:43 <@Dagmar> The thing that was getting my attention was how you know that once you actually monitor all the buckets (*ahem* Dole) for CPU utilization, they should fucking add up to #CPUs x 100.
10:44 <@Dagmar> When ESX is faking RAM, you will see numbers showing up that fall very short of that
10:44 <@Dagmar> When storage is being inexplicably fucking slow, your world simply turns into massive iowait, but the buckets still add up to #CPUs x 100.
10:45 <@Dagmar> I kindna wanted to motherfucking skin Scott Evans for awhile there
10:45 <@Dagmar> Sudden clock drift in the ESX OS, timeouts on disk checks...
10:45 <@Dagmar> Motherfucker wouldn't admit there was likely a third thing we weren't seeing
10:46 <@Dagmar> ...which turned out to be fucktons of hardware interrupts coming from the fiber cards because once again, some fucking retarded Windows admin had their fucking VM trivially generating 100,000 iops a second
10:46 <@Dagmar> ...because that's what happens when you fucking saturate fiber
10:46 <@Dagmar> ...with a jillion fucking stupid requests.
10:46 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Nathan and I were talking and comparing notes weekly the last few months
10:46 <@aestetix> uh
10:47 <@aestetix> 100,000 iops/sec?
10:47 <@Dagmar> More like a jillion
10:47 <@Dagmar> Let's jsut say that certain MSSQL database housekeeping operations are a great big FUCK YOUR NEEDS to any storage infrastructure when they are not properly aligned
10:48 <@aestetix> yep
10:48 <@Mirage> aestetix: there were 2 MSSQL servers that were using slightly less IOPS on the SAN than the entire ESX environment which was also using the same SAN.
10:48 <@Dagmar> Also, Exchange mailbox cleaning
10:48 <@aestetix> what the hell
10:48 <@Dagmar> what the hell == fucking windows admins
10:48 <@Evilpig> exchange mailbox pruning is a bitch
10:49 <@aestetix> Does ms sql have any equivalent to a buffer pool?
10:49 <@Dagmar> There's no fucking telling
10:49 <@aestetix> I really hope it does..
10:49 <@Dagmar> Welll, let's put this way
10:49 <@aestetix> Please tell me people don't just set up sql server and not tune it
10:49 <@Dagmar> If it exists, it must be optional, and none of our admins were smart enough to use it.
10:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Wow man it's like you've been reading the emails
10:50 <@Dagmar> That's pretty much exaxctly what the ITS Windows admins were doing
10:50 <@aestetix> I mean I don't have a clue how to tune SQL Server
10:50 <@aestetix> but I also don't use it
10:51 <@aestetix> So I'm gonna also guess there are no indexes set up
10:51 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Um, I regularly set up something like Postgres and don't tune it.
10:51 <@Dagmar> I learned to assume that everyone else in ITS knew just the bare minimum of their job in order to prevent embarassing themselves.
10:52 <@Dagmar> There were maybe three people who weren't fucking morons.
10:52 <@Dagmar> ...at least with respet to the Windows admins.
10:52 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Yes, but that's Postgres
10:52 <@Dagmar> Even MySQL generally runs faster by default
10:52 <@Dagmar> (in comparison to MSSQL)
10:53 <@Corydon76-work> In a business environment, it's always cheaper to throw more machine at the problem than it is to tune a database to get the maximum performance out of a machine.
10:53 <@aestetix> Corydon76-work: that's not always true.
10:53 <@aestetix> For example, if you can add an index to a database that speeds up all your queries by 90%, tuning it is better.
10:53 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: It's true when you consider how expensive people who REALLY know how to tune a database are.
10:53 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Or, in ITSs case, *not* throw more hardware at it... Just spin up more VMs!
10:53 <@Dagmar> VMs are free don'tchaknow
10:54 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: more vms = more hardware!
10:56 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I've found that unless you're prepared to do the work and the calculations, many "optimizations" on a database server actually cause the machine to perform less well than if they left the defaults alone.
10:57 <@aestetix> That's generally true.
10:57 <@aestetix> With the exception of things like the buffer pool size and indexes.
10:58 <@Bahhumbug> clear
10:58 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, but I don't consider things like indexes to be tweaking the database, but rather more of part of application architecture and design.
10:59 <@Corydon76-work> Buffer pool size, yes, but even that can cause the machine performance to suffer, if you don't truly know what you're doing with it.
11:01 <@Corydon76-work> I have found cases where during design, I've created an unnecessary index.  On open source databases, that may slow down an insert, and it consumes space, but it doesn't actually cause a problem.  On some of the closed source databases, an unnecessary index actually slows down the whole system.
11:02 <@Corydon76-work> Hence why throwing more hardware at the problem tends to be a cheaper solution than hiring someone who really knows what they're doing.
11:02 <@Corydon76-work> Or taking time out of someone's busy schedule that would better be spent elsewhere
11:03 <@aestetix> yep
11:04 <@Corydon76-work> The funny thing about this, is that if you had asked me about this 15 years ago, I would have said that it was cheaper just to tweak the database.
11:06 <@aestetix> http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/president-obama-speaks-signals-intelligence-programs
11:06 < GateKeeper> Title: President Obama Speaks on Signals Intelligence Programs | The White House (at www.whitehouse.gov)
11:07 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: state farm says they only remove "live" trees that cause house damage, if it was a "dead" tree and fel on house, i wouldnt be covered
11:07 <@Shadow404> that worries me as i dont go around and check tree health all the time
11:08 <@Shadow404> might look at switching soon
11:08 <@Shadow404> $1800 isnt bad for 3 heavy pines and an oak
11:08 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: Uh, sure, because that falls under a lack of maintenance
11:09 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: It's far cheaper to find a buddy with a chainsaw, and help him with taking down the dead tree
11:10 <@Corydon76-work> For that matter, I helped Peaches take down a large tree in the backyard, armed only with a demolition saw and an axe.
11:10 <@Shadow404> wow
11:10 <@Shadow404> but still, that sux
11:10 <@Shadow404> oh well, i got my property fully checked for it
11:11 <@Corydon76-work> Maybe not large.  8-10" trunk
11:11 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: would you really trust Shadow404 to not hurt himself with any type of sharp tool?
11:11 <@Corydon76-work> I still need to work on killing the roots
11:11 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: good point
11:12 <@Corydon76-work> BTW, you know how to kill roots, don't you?  Drill a hole into the live section of the wood, add saltwater
11:14 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: nope, saltpeter and water
11:15 <@Shadow404> mixes in, repeat, once every week for 3 weeks
11:15 <@Shadow404> and then once its fully saturated, light and let it smolder to an ash
11:15 <@Shadow404> goes all the way down to the root
11:15 <@Corydon76-work> Uh, right...
11:16 <@Dagmar> Easier way... dig hole with post hole digger... insert moderate amounts of high explosive or high intensity firing agent
11:16 <@Dagmar> Ignite.
11:16 <@Dagmar> Deny all responsibility
11:16 <@Corydon76-work> We have a burn ordinance here in the big city.
11:16 <@Corydon76-work> and I have a neighbor across the street who has been known to call Codes...
11:16 <@Dagmar> Come now.  Nashville LOVES underground fires.
11:17 <@Dagmar> Remember how much fun Fountain Square was?
11:17 <@Shadow404> lawl
11:17 <@Corydon76-work> I remember there's a town in Pennsylvania in coal country that has been smoldering for 50 years...
11:19 <@Corydon76-work> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Pennsylvania
11:19 < GateKeeper> Title: Centralia, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
11:19 <@Dagmar> So far this is a load of shit
11:19 <@Dagmar> Basically, apparently our new policy is one of paranoid delusions.
11:19 <@Dagmar> We are making psychopathic behaviour the standard
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11:21 <@Dagmar> Okay.
11:21 <@Dagmar> fuck ubuntu
11:21 <@Dagmar> https://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
11:21 <@Dagmar> Seriously.
11:21 <@Dagmar> Fuck all kinds of that.
11:22 <@brimstone> "Using dnsmasq as local resolver by default on desktop installations" fuck that in the ass
11:22 <@brimstone> To turn off dnsmasq in Network Manager, you need to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and comment the “dns=dnsmasq” line (put a # in front of it) then do a “sudo restart network-manager”.
11:22 <@Corydon76-work> Uh, what bastard thought it was a good idea to put black text on a dark gray background?
11:23 <@brimstone> Stéphane Graber
11:25 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, and I run a full version of bind 9 locally, so I've never noticed this issue with dnsmasq
11:25 <@brimstone> my boss is so anti-bind
11:25 <@Corydon76-work> Not to mention that I tend to completely disable NetworkManager on desktops
11:25 <@brimstone> we use tinydns here
11:25 <@brimstone> :(
11:26 <@Corydon76-work> Ironically, my use of bind is precisely because I use hybrid DNS with a VPN
11:26 <@eryc> bind has the most features
11:26 <@Corydon76-work> brimstone: I can see that, given bind's past security failures
11:27 <@eryc> tinydns is dogshit
11:28 <@eryc> if you hate bind use nsd
11:53 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-work: bleah, most of those issues are long in the past before Vixie stopped breaking shit every build.
11:58 <@Dagmar> heh
12:03 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: I have varied opinions on it.  I tend to think of software that has never had a security issue to be suspect, in terms of nobody thinking of it important enough to try to exploit.
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12:07 <@Bahhumbug> I would tend to agree with that.
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12:23 <@Shadow404> i love bind for simple records, but once you get into secondaries and reverse ptrs, it can get confusing when your changing stuff
12:25 <@Shadow404> minecraft map is almost fully loaded btw
12:27 <@Shadow404> theres a natural lava flow at 603,65,794 which is burning a forest
12:32 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: the URL release policy just came up during the allteam again
12:39 <@oddball> "we're going to release a bunch of unused URLs... except NotLarry... because fuck that guy."
12:39 <@Bahhumbug> heh
12:51 <@Shadow404> i kind of want this hoodie: http://www.jinx.com/content/prod/3364p_28c_5m.jpg
12:52 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: I'm surprised that the policy isn't one of just "get another root domain and let people allocate from that pool"
12:53 <@Corydon76-work> Say, tumblr.net or tumblr.org
12:59 <@oddball> It would need to be more than just changing the TLD.  The amount of support calls because users forgot that their name was .net instead of .com would be staggering.
13:04 <@Evilpig> that would be confusing
13:04 <@Evilpig> but shit like notlarry.tumblr.com was setup as a joke by someone and hasn't been logged into again after more than 4 years.  so they are revisiting the idea of expiring those out
13:16 <@Dagmar> By the way, if anyone here likes kung-fu movies, or just little girls beating the hell out of people in general, put 'Chocolate' in your Netflix queue (or hit up your usual video suppliers).
13:16 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, but consider the shitstorm Yahoo got when they suggested they were going to expire usernames
13:16 <@Dagmar> It's a Thai movie and the first 15 minutes will make you think you're watching the wrong movie.  After that tho, the violence is incredible.
13:17 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: another approach would be to use another domain brand name, but suggest "integrates with Tumblr.com"
13:17 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Thanks to the magic of instantation, as long as no one goes near it, it will continue to burn forever.
13:18 <@Dagmar> Go near it without putting it out and you might have a problem
13:18 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: they already hvae that capability
13:18 <@Dagmar> No match for "INTEGRATESWITHTUMBLR.COM".
13:18 <@Dagmar> >>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:18:11 UTC <<<
13:18 <@Dagmar> Sweet!
13:19 <@Dagmar> Also, murderkittens.com is available
13:19 <@Corydon76-work> While I agree that the problem is a PITA, you're going to get far more of a shitstorm from people who want their domains back after going idle for 3 years...
13:19 <@oddball> Dagmar: Damn yoooooou!
13:19 <@Dagmar> oddball: What?
13:19 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: is that the technical term?
13:19  * oddball is highly tempted to register murderkittens.com
13:20 <@Dagmar> shadow404: Is which a technical term/
13:20 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: they are talking about domains where the email is dead, it was very lightly used if at all, and the user hasn't been back in x amount of time
13:20 <@Evilpig> shit that you can look at and say there is no reasonable way for this to be reclaimed
13:20 <@Shadow404>  instantation
13:20 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: In other words, sites NotLarry made while he was high
13:20 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: did you see my pic?
13:20 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Umm... Yes.
13:20 <@Dagmar> Dey r not instanted in teh memories
13:20 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: consider a guy with a Tumblr who is overseas in the military for X years.
13:21 <@Dagmar> until den time no pass
13:21 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: interesting thing is that the server looks to process the world for a few clicks, then saves it till a character approaches
13:21 <@Shadow404> cause a couple of objects have caught fire
13:21 <@Dagmar> Yes.
13:21 <@Dagmar> Also, someone probably *could* have run through there momentarily long ago
13:22 <@Dagmar> ...otherwise that region of the map wouldn't exist, dig?
13:22 <@Shadow404> true
13:22 <@Shadow404> very true
13:22 <@Dagmar> We *may* have to clear a flag or two off the map
13:22 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: so enemies are turned on? is resources unlimited or normal?
13:22 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: here's an idea.  If someone wants a domain that is taken, they can have it provisionally, but if the original owner comes back, the new owner loses it, with the option only to migrate their content to a new name.
13:22 <@Dagmar> Notch did some shit to reduce the amount of "topology chop" maps see when a section of map it instantated with a radically different version of the terrain generator than the chunk next to it
13:23 <@Dagmar> This may or may not mean we will see no dark oak on the map
13:23 <@Dagmar> Probably wouldn't hurt to find a way to cull everything beyond a certain distance from the center, either
13:23 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: and at the same time, add new terms to signups that if you don't login for 3 years, you stand to lose it.  Grandfather in existing stuff.
13:24 <@Dagmar> 'cuz the older terrain generators definitely had an issue with one large continent surrounded by a nearly endless fucking sea
13:24 <@Dagmar> ...and sailing 35km without any sign of land that wasn't shroom biome sez we were seeing that
13:24 <@Corydon76-work> If someone REALLY wants something that is taken, they get it, knowing they could lose it again, which should be enough motivation for them to either find a new name or really ensure that the old person is done with it.
13:26 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: support doesn't want to deal with this headache, but a few cases have come up that warrant making some type of policy around it
13:27 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: I agree that it's a shitstorm waiting to happen, which is why it's best to have a different grandfather policy for existing subdomains and add a new provision to new subdomains
13:28 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: we could always clear the tiles beyond a certain distance from the center spawn and let it respawn the land with the new generator in this version
13:28 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: That's' what I was thinking
13:28 <@Shadow404> how much shit is beyond 15km from center
13:29 <@Shadow404> probably a few things, but no one really uses/remembers it
13:29 <@Dagmar> ...but we'll still have to dick around with making sure hte damn generator version flag is reset I suspect
13:29 <@Dagmar> ...otherwise it's really likely to continue using an older map gen routine
13:29 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: copy and paste a backup file before you start messing wit it
13:29 <@Dagmar> I'll have to get a copy of it fromm Wilbur this weekend and poke at it
13:29 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: there is a whole world behind 15km
13:29 <@Evilpig> you have no idea
13:30 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: which directions?
13:30 <@Evilpig> two primarily
13:30 <@Shadow404> how much stuff?
13:30 <@Dagmar> We'd likely have to start at 25km, if we were lucky... or target specific areas for deletion
13:30 <@Evilpig> you'll have to wait for the map to finish genning
13:30 <@Dagmar> Wait until the map finishes drawing
13:30 <@Dagmar> For awhile we were just going a LONG goddamn ways out
13:30 <@Shadow404> ok, we could then clean out large areas that arent used, only issue abotu that is cabes get stunted
13:30 <@Shadow404> *caves
13:30 <@Dagmar> THat i wouldn't worry about
13:31 <@Dagmar> It's nothing more onerous than inexplicable giant cliffs
13:31 <@Dagmar> ...sometimes with hot tomato soup pouring out the sides
13:31 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: it'd be annoying, 3 hrs spent going down a cave, fighting along the way, resupplying, and then nothing but wall randonly
13:31 <@Shadow404> as you hit next tile
13:31 <@Dagmar> If it took you three hours, I suspect you failed to bring a pick
13:32 <@Shadow404> well, collecting resources
13:32 <@Shadow404> takes time
13:32 <@Shadow404> clearing dungeons "carefully" takes time
13:32 <@Dagmar> That sort of depends on how murder-happy you are
13:32 <@Shadow404> storing high value stuff takes time
13:32 <@Evilpig> guess I better put on pants if I'm gonna goto the movies
13:32 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Probably a good idea, what with the snow and all
13:34 <@Evilpig> snow?
13:34 <@Evilpig> what snow?
13:36 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: i had a great way to clear caves one time near the bottom when i started finding diamonds, i had a flowing lava river, that i would run past after agroing a bunch of enemies and then sprint across the small path i made, and then open a single block to push water across the path the enemies were still crossing right into the lava river
13:36 <@Shadow404> got about 8 creatures in one go at one point
13:37 <@Dagmar> I just wear iron armor and overhead smash everything with a sword
13:37 <@Dagmar> After kiting shit with jump shots in WoW, this is easy mode
13:38 <@Evilpig> alright.  movie tickets purchased for 2:20.
13:38 <@Dagmar> You know, the fancy shit where you run, then jump in the air, spin 180 degrees and fire Arcane Shot, then spin back (or continue another) 180 degrees and keep running without slowing down
13:38 <@Mirage> 2:20? that's an odd currency notation
13:40 <@Evilpig> the 2:20pm show, smartass
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14:00 <@Dagmar> Just in case your keyboard isn't ugly enough yet http://meatball.thatdailydeal.com/
14:00 < GateKeeper> Title: THAT Daily Deal - A New Deal Every Morning (at meatball.thatdailydeal.com)
14:00 <@Dagmar> "2 Pack of EZ Eyes Deluxe Glow-in-Dark, Large Print, Spill Proof Keyboard & Mouse (2 Keyboards & 2 Mice!)"
14:06 <@Dagmar> Idea: Start substituting "ninja" for "terrorist" in any argument with a pro-surveillance person.
14:06 <@Dagmar> It'll make the sanity of their argumentation much clearer.
14:10 <@brimstone> that keyboard is AWESOME
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14:51 <@Dagmar> STALKING TIEM IS NAO http://blogs.tennessean.com/tunein/2014/01/13/hayden-panettiere-buys-a-house-in-nashville/
15:16 <@anarchival>  I love filing my taxes. No, really.
15:17 <@anarchival> I just want a Symbolics keyboard, so emacs will make more sense.
15:25 <@anarchival> So if you have $0 in income in 2014, you will pay a $95 penalty for not having health insurance, with a maximum of $315 in premium assistance available.
15:25 <@anarchival> So that's not at all how I thought that was going to work, but okay.
15:25 <@Dagmar> However, if you file a form 1040EZ you can claim mental disability
15:25 <@Dagmar> "I am too stupid to have filled this shit out right."
15:26 <@Dagmar> "If you guys really wanted that money, you'd just tell me up front what I'm supposed to pay and I'll decide if I agree or not."
15:26 <@Dagmar> "Since you don't you get to deal with whatever I make of your crap documentation."
15:26 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I just use TurboTax. :)
15:27 <@Dagmar> I do that but I don't know how many more years I'm going to be able to navigate the obstacle course of "DO YOU WANT TO CLICK HERE TO GIVE US MONEY FOR FILING YOUR FREE RETURN?   YES/YES."
15:28 <@Dagmar> At least they stopped deliberately ditching all the information about previous year's returns
15:29 <@anarchival> Dagmar: God help me if that shit is ever hacked, because TurboTax knows more about my finances than I do.
15:30 <@anarchival> $315/month BTW not for the whole year that would just be silly
15:31 <@anarchival> "the government will give you this lollipop to help you pay for your government-mandated health insurance"
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15:32 <@Shadow404> government mandated health insurance is just gonna end badly
15:33 <@Shadow404> and the nightmare has only just begun
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15:34 <@Dagmar> yes think of all those poor poor insurance executives having to take less than a ten million dollar bonus this year
15:34 <@Dagmar> All because someone wanted them to actually compete.
15:34 <@Dagmar> The costs *will* come down.
15:35 <@Shadow404> we'll see
15:36 <@Dagmar> There's a decided lack of competition in health insurance space, and it's actually increasing the costs of everything
15:36 <@Shadow404> if my company health plan drops in cost, that would be a positive thing, but i also dont want my taxes to go up in return paying for this new program
15:36 <@anarchival> My primary concern is my mother.
15:36 <@Shadow404> at the same time, nasa is at the lowest funding its ever been
15:36 <@Dagmar> Here's an idea.  Let's stop funding fucking wars.
15:37 <@anarchival> She was on the State-sponsored AccessTN plan, which was pretty good coverage with a hefty subsidy.
15:37 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: no shit, now theres something we can both agree on
15:37 <@anarchival> The federal deal actually seems worse.
15:37 <@Shadow404> thats sucking our economy dry
15:37 <@Dagmar> *boom* socialized basic medicine paid for
15:37 <@Dagmar> Department of Education budged tripled
15:37 <@Dagmar> NASA budged tripled.
15:37 <@Dagmar> Enough money left over to buy mexico.
15:37 <@anarchival> Did you know we could have ended world hunger for over a hundred years for what the Iraq War costs?
15:37 <@Dagmar> ALso, no more fucking subsidies for banks, or tax breaks for corporations.
15:38 < nachoguy> cut off all foreign aid until we no longer have a deficit.
15:38 <@anarchival> Something tells me that if no one were starving, terrorism would be less of a problem. Such as it is.
15:38 <@Dagmar> End corporate welfare, becasue they can't starve or die from bird flu.
15:38 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Why would we want to buy Mexico? I think we should sell them Texas.
15:39 <@anarchival> I'd offer them California, too, but they've got all those nice tech jobs now.
15:39 <@Dagmar> It's the only way we're sorting out this immigration bullshit
15:39 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, rich people are going to continue to have access to under the table slave labor.
15:39 <@Dagmar> ...and fuck those people.  They don't need discount lawn mowing
15:40 <@Dagmar> They can get up and mow their own goddamn lawns or pay a neighborhood kid minimum wage to do it
15:41 <@anarchival> Unfortunately, someone has to do the work that creates a leisure class who pays for all those service-industry jobs. If not slaves, immigrants. If not immigrants, maybe prisoners?
15:42 <@anarchival> I should probably sign up for health insurance, though.
15:43 <@anarchival> I'm sort of gambling that I don't break a leg or get cancer, and I'm unlikely to get a "real" job any time in the near future.
15:43 <@benthemeek> Vmware agreement to download vsphere is shady.
15:43 <@benthemeek> I still cant tell if I get to keep using it after 30 days or not
15:43 <@Dagmar> Hey here's an idea... How about "Other Americans" at a rate we've all gotten together and decided is a reasonable minimum.
15:44 <@Dagmar> We abandoned slavery a long time ago.  That means _everyone_.
15:45 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Have you ever met Jason Steen?
15:46 <@anarchival> eHealth points me to the TennCare website for further information on whether we qualify for a subsidy lololol
15:46 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: He was with Occupy, yes? Maybe.
15:46 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, he was
15:47 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I'm having difficulty visualizing a face, but I recognize the name.
15:47 <@Corydon76-work> He's currently in the hospital _without_ health insurance.
15:47 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: :(
15:48 <@Corydon76-work> Excuse me.  He got sent home yesterday
15:48 <@Mirage> benthemeek: Still talking about ESXi?
15:49 <@Corydon76-work> https://www.facebook.com/jason.steen?fref=ts
15:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Jason Steen (at www.facebook.com)
15:50 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Nice banner. He does look familiar.
15:51 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, yeah.  He has a reputation for taking home 18yo bottom boys and screwing the hell out of them
15:51 <@Mirage> benthemeek: You have 30 days after installation to configure the licensing.  VMware will send you a free license for single-instance servers, you just have to apply that by the trial period to be able to keep using it.
15:51 <@Corydon76-work> His doctor has told him that that could literally kill him, now.
15:52 <@Corydon76-work> No sex, no tobacco, no bacon.
15:52 <@Mirage> benthemeek: and you can get more than one free license..they just don't do a lot of good w/o having vCenter.
15:52 <@Mirage> no bacon!  omfg!
15:53 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Quantity of life, or quality of life? That is the question.
15:54 <@Corydon76-work> Anyway, point being, without health insurance, there's some hefty medical bills coming his way
15:54 <@Corydon76-work> Get insured.
15:54 <@anarchival> Oh hey there's a CFAA notice when you login to healthcare.gov! Fuck, I should have screen-shotted that.
15:55 <@Mirage> They'll just charge some insane amount of money, he'll file for bankruptcy, the hospitals will decide to hike prices to recoup the loss, and then insurance rates will go up to absorb the higher payouts.
15:56 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: Ironically, his health insurance will kick in on February 1st
15:56 <@benthemeek> Mirage: Yeah, I just got around to downloading vsphere 5.5 I am not sure what vcenter gets me yet
15:56 <@benthemeek> They did take away their ram and cpu limits with the free version
15:56 <@Mirage> benthemeek: most of the cool stuff.
15:56 <@benthemeek> well they limited it to 4Tb
15:56 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: yep, we all pay when people aren't insured.
15:57 <@Corydon76-work> And let me tell you, bankruptcy SUUUUUUUUCKS
15:58 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: when i got snipped, it was a $100 copay for me..the hospital bill that was sent (stamped 'do not pay') layed out almost 8k in BS charges for a 15 minute outpatient procedure.
15:58 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: yep, fucking ridiculous
15:58 <@anarchival> They showed the name of that bullshit tech startup which was my last job as a sys admin to confirm a prior employee. The feds make me laugh.
15:59 <@anarchival> s/employee/employer
15:59 <@Corydon76-work> Speaking of which, I asked yesterday, and found that our outsourced HR dept takes f'in forever to prepare W-2s
16:00 <@Mirage> benthemeek: hrm..i'm running 5.1 at home since that's what we use at work.
16:01 <@benthemeek> http://www.vladan.fr/esxi-5-free-whats-the-limitations/
16:02 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: The IRS isn't processing returns until the 31st, so there's still some time.
16:03 <@Corydon76-work> I generally file early and get my refund within 2 weeks
16:03 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Me too.
16:03 <@Corydon76-work> I need a new laptop
16:04 <@anarchival> "Do you have any children?" "No." "Are you sure you don't have any children?" "Yes." "Do you have any dependents under the age of 18?" "I SAID NO GODDAMMIT."
16:05 <@Corydon76-work> I'm probably going to get married this year, just so I can have Peaches as my dependent
16:06 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: What state will you have to travel to to do that?
16:06 <@Corydon76-work> Probably Maryland, unless Tennessee's lawsuit permits me to get married during a brief period
16:06 <@anarchival> r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSame-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States
16:07 <@anarchival> What the hell happened to that link?
16:07 <@Corydon76-work> They expect the federal judge to toss out the prohibition any day now
16:07 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I suspect you have spyware installed in your browser
16:07 <@anarchival> Illinois or DC are probably the closest.
16:08 <@Corydon76-work> My parents live in Maryland, so that's a bit more convenient
16:08 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: But DuckDuckGo is our friend!
16:08 <@Corydon76-work> I'll be up that way in June for my 20th HS reunion anyway
16:08 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Mom is my dependent. Head of household filing is the best.
16:09 <@Bahhumbug> heh, 20th... Youngster.
16:09 <@Corydon76-work> That would only work if Peaches was related by blood
16:09 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: It would probably be easier to marry him than adopt him, true.
16:09 <@benthemeek> (and cheaper)
16:10 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, cheaper is always good, too
16:10 <@Corydon76-work> Kentucky might get their prohibition tossed out soon, as well, and their attorney general is somewhat unlikely to appeal the decision
16:11 <@benthemeek> A couple I am friends with just went through the adoption process and because they couldn't get married both had to adopt him separately or something. It was very expensive 10K plus i beleive
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16:12 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, adoption rates are f'in ridiculous
16:12 <@anarchival> I've thought about adopting after Mom dies, but probably not.
16:12 <@Corydon76-work> There's a ton of kids needing to be adopted, and the expense is what's preventing it
16:12 <@brimstone> so much easier to just steal a kid
16:12 <@benthemeek> They had the money but I was pissed off on their behalf that TN is to backward to allow same sex unions
16:12 <@Corydon76-work> brimstone: actually, so much easier to borrow someone else's
16:12 <@benthemeek> s/to/too
16:13 <@brimstone> "hey buddy, lemmy grip a toddler"
16:13 <@Corydon76-work> Sammy slept on our couch for quite a bit of time a few years ago
16:13 <@anarchival> I've only wanted to steal a kid once, when I was in the Criminal Justice Center, and there was this little girl there with her father who was just walking out without even watching her, she was just trailing behind him, and I could see that she'd been beat.
16:13 <@Dagmar> brimstone: Better watch that.  Some women have *no* sense of humor about those things.
16:14 <@anarchival> It was everything I could do in that moment not to just pick her up and run.
16:14 <@anarchival> Probably would have gotten away with it, all considering. :(
16:14 <@Dagmar> We once had the Yellow Pages misprint *our* landline number for the (hilariously very) local "Babies 'R' Us"
16:14 <@benthemeek> anarchival: but stockhold syndrome
16:14 <@benthemeek> or is it stockholm
16:14 <@anarchival> benthemeek: Yes.
16:14 <@Dagmar> Being that no one in the apartment even remotely resembled a morning person, we managed to tolerate these 6am inquiries for about a week.
16:14 <@benthemeek> She loves her capture
16:15 <@Dagmar> Then BellSouth made the foolish mistake of telling us we'd have to pay to have our number changed.
16:15 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: That's when you get the airhorn to play to the people who call you at 6am
16:16 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: I think there is only a certain DB threshhold that a phone will transmit.
16:16 <@Dagmar> Two weeks worth of telling new mothers and soon-to-be mothers absolutely *terrible* things (like, offering to sell babies _by the pound_ on special)...
16:16 <@benthemeek> Thus it may make you feel good but not be a deterrent tool
16:16 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: A helpline I used to help answer used an airhorn in response to lewd phone calls
16:16 <@Dagmar> ...not only was Babies 'R' Us demanding we be allowed to change our number for free, they put a BIG sign up in the front window of the place informing people of the misprint.
16:17 <@Dagmar> Questions like "Well, we buy 'em but what we pay is dependent on their condition"
16:17 <@Dagmar> Wow they don't like that
16:17 <@benthemeek> LOL
16:17 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Baby oil! Made from real babies!
16:17 <@Dagmar> I think Aiko may have done that one
16:18 <@Dagmar> I mainly mentioned we had deals going on imported Romanian babies
16:18 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: Someone was telling me the other day there is a youtube floating around of where someone paid two sex lines put them on hold and then let them start talking to each other
16:18 <@anarchival> healthcare.gov calculated my monthly income as a negative figure, which is really pretty accurate
16:18 <@Dagmar> Seriously those women got *really* bent out of shape at us
16:18 <@benthemeek> took about 5 min to figure out
16:18 <@Dagmar> I can't imagine what kind of hell they were raining down on the people at the store
16:18 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: or a nice recording of a baby crying, with the sound effect of punching, and the crying suddenly stopping...
16:19 <@Dagmar> THat's too much work at the ass-crack of dawn
16:19 <@Dagmar> Apparently when you've been up all night doing bi-hourly feedings, calling a store at six in the fucking morning isn't out of the question
16:20 <@Dagmar> Critical thinking is also off the table.
16:20 <@Dagmar> One woman wanted to argue that we were, in fact, the stsore
16:20 <@Corydon76-work> Roast baby with bearnaisse sauce?
16:20 <@Dagmar> ...and demanded to know why we had their number if we were supposedly not the store.
16:21 <@Dagmar> This is what got us started on the baby sales kick.
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16:21 <@Dagmar> Aiko apparently went in there and thanked them for their help in dealing with BellSouth
16:21 <@anarchival> Oh hey they can reference your tax returns without you even supplying them that's awesome.
16:21 <@Dagmar> I wasn't about to risk that
16:21 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: government efficiency at its finest
16:22 <@Dagmar> I may have mentioned I have a special mutant talent for knowing what's going to _really_ piss someone off, and I used the hell out of it.
16:22 <@Dagmar> Had a woman *screaming* at me after I mentioned "we don't ask any questions about what you want the baby for, and we don't do returns."
16:23 <@Dagmar> zero to inceherent rage in thirty seconds or less.  :)
16:23 <@Dagmar> er incoherent
16:23 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, FUCK.  http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/01/polar-vortex-returns-next-week/357111/
16:23 < GateKeeper> Title: The Polar Vortex Returns Next Week - The Wire (at www.thewire.com)
16:24 <@brimstone> new Syfy show?
16:25 <@Corydon76-work> That would be nice, but this appears to be a legit news site
16:25 <@anarchival> brimstone: You're thinking of http://weknowmemes.com/2014/01/sharknado-vs-polar-vortex/
16:26 <@brimstone> i am now
16:27 <@Mirage> Dagmar: when I first moved to nashville my phone number was one digit off from castner knot's main line at the mall.  we got quite a few good calls from that, got tired of it after a year, called and got a new number assigned, and wound up w/ one that was one digit off from Gold's Gym on M'boro rd.
16:27 <@Mirage> I think I liked the Castner Knot wrong numbers better
16:27 <@Dagmar> We would have been amused if they were only occasional misdials.
16:28 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately it was 3-5 calls a day.
16:28 <@Dagmar> One of which invariably came before 8am.
16:28 <@Mirage> Back to School and XMas was the final straw for us on the Castner Knot thing.
16:28 <@Dagmar> Hearing Mordecai do the first one in her sweet little voice was the thing that got me over feeling bad about it
16:33 <@Mirage> hrm..this could be interesting:  http://www.southsideballroomdallas.com/index.php/show/detail/35#.Utmhb_HnZN0
16:33 < GateKeeper> Title: South Side Ballroom Dallas, TX (at www.southsideballroomdallas.com)
16:33 <@Mirage> Lindsey Stirling...dubstep violin!
16:49 <@rattle> I've seen Lindsey Stirling preform live before.  It's enjoyable.
16:52 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS0mVpVi5Sw no
16:52 < GateKeeper> Title: Is Always-Online Ever Acceptable? (SimCity Revisited) - CASUAL FRIDAY - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:53 < RangerZ> not for a single player game
16:53 <@Dickie> Eeeeeeehhhhh
16:53 <@Dickie> We're heading in a direction where this will no longer be an issue
16:54 < RangerZ> i almost agree with you
16:55 < RangerZ> but I feel that offline-only games will pick up after streaming goes live
16:55 <@Dagmar> Except now they've decided they don't want to host the servers anymore so they're putting out a patch that will give them offline mode
16:55 <@Dagmar> ...which I'm sure they'll make available for all of six or seven months.
16:56 <@Dagmar> ...after which time you'll install the game, and it'll try to authorize to servers that don't exist, and you'll have to buy the newer version instead.
16:56 <@Dagmar> Because FUCK ELECTRONIC ARTS
16:57 <@Dagmar> Hmm...
16:57 <@Dagmar> I am supposed to decommission two virtual servers.
16:57 <@Dagmar> One does not appear to exist.
16:57 <@brimstone> Done [X]
16:57 <@Dagmar> THe other has had developers logging into it as recently as this morning.
16:57 <@Dagmar> Somehow, I suspect people would not be happy if I deleted them both.
16:57 < RangerZ>  ISIS or EECS?
16:57 < RangerZ> if not screw it
16:58 <@Dagmar> No, some other server I have no idea who requested
16:58 <@brimstone> customer is never wrong
16:58 <@brimstone> delete them both
17:03 <@anarchival> Well, I enrolled.
17:03 <@anarchival> It's not clear how I actually pay for the damned thing, but still.
17:08 <@Dagmar> Has to be fake but still funny http://digg.com/video/when-british-people-give-commentary-on-american-football
17:08 < GateKeeper> Title: When British People Give Commentary On American Football - Digg (at digg.com)
17:21 <@anarchival> Dagmar: He's just playing dumb. The Brits understand rugby.
17:21 <@Dagmar> Except this is not rugby
17:22 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Sure, but American football is based on rugby. It's not *that* far afield.
17:23 <@anarchival> For Wilpig: http://manning.com/tjones/
17:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Manning: Pig in Action (at manning.com)
17:25 <@Dagmar> I hate this part of the day
17:27 <@anarchival> Martin Logan co-authored the Erlang and OTP in Action book? Hmm.
17:28 <@anarchival> On the one hand, he knows his shit. On the other, he's a total jackass.
17:28 <@anarchival> It is half-off today, though.
17:28 < MinecraftRelay> [dynmap] 129.59.115.11: derpy derp derp
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17:31 < AndChat|512> oddball: ping
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17:32 <@Dagmar> Sweet crap dynmap has only covered about 6km^2
17:34 < not> Dagmar: you got a number for oddball?
17:34 <@Dagmar>  nope
17:35 < not> Hr does not have his ap
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17:38 <@oddball> anarchival: pong?
17:38 <@oddball> northrup: pong
17:38 <@oddball> damnit.
17:38 <@oddball> HR doesn't have my ap?  motherfucker.
17:39 <@anarchival> oddball: Sure.
17:40 <@oddball> sorry. Was trying to quickly respond to whoever jumped in looking for me.
17:41 <@oddball> Who then changed nicks, and left.
17:43 <@NotLarry> oddball: you apply for the noc job?
17:44 <@NotLarry> it was my on the toilet, naked, trying to see if you put in for a job, did I mention naked?
17:44 <@NotLarry> oddball: ping
17:44 <@oddball> Could have sworn I had.
17:44 <@oddball> Do I need to apply again?
17:44 <@NotLarry> OK, they don't have it, that is what they say.
17:44 <@oddball> I'll apply again then.
17:45 <@NotLarry> Yeah, get it in if the job is still listed.  They interviewd today and will do more Wed.
17:45 <@oddball> ok
17:45 <@Dagmar> You probably need to also tell whatsisface to request it once it's in there
17:45 <@Dagmar> HR tends to not send over applicants unless asked
17:45 <@NotLarry> Yeah, then call the noc and talk to eddie, make sure
17:46 <@NotLarry> We are pushing for you. And they are short in people that have a clue.
17:46 <@Dagmar> ...and if someone makes the mistake of calling me in the middle of the night about a server like they've already done in the middle of the day, there'll be a short-notice job vacancy due to long-term hospital care.
17:48 <@anarchival> I kind of want to go to poker night, but it's supposed to be 17 degrees tonight. That's kind of cold to walk back and forth to the Pub.
17:48 <@Dagmar> Hey hey no one's hassling me about going to Corner Pub toight
17:48 <@Dagmar> well... so far
17:49 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Come pick me up. We'll play poker at Three Stones.
17:49 <@Dagmar> 1.  I have no idea where that is.
17:50 <@Dagmar> 2.  I *may* be going to the East Room later tonight
17:50 <@anarchival> Dagmar: You could know, if you really wanted to.
17:50 <@Dagmar> Am I allowed to glue the doors shut and set the place on fire?
17:51 <@Dagmar> ...I mean, now that I know what neighborhood it's in.
17:51 <@anarchival> Dagmar: You'd rather dance to the sounds of synthpunk / electro / italo disco / darkwave / house / techno instead of play poker? Fine, then. FINE.
17:52 < RangerZ> you two... get a room
17:52 < RangerZ> a PN
17:52 <@Dagmar> That looks like the poor side of Bellvue actually
17:52 <@Dagmar> So, maybe no dire
17:52 <@Dagmar> er fire
17:52 <@Dagmar> I don't like Bellvue much because I've been pulled over there for driving while poor multiple times
17:52 <@anarchival> Dagmar: The joint survived the flood, I'd appreciate it if you didn't start a conflagration.
17:53 <@anarchival> Dagmar: lol yeah it's just like Belle Meade
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18:02 <@Dagmar> eep.
18:02 <@Dagmar> OKay. Turns out I did remember to renew the beemer insurance policy
18:04 <@Evilpig> haha
18:04 <@Evilpig> guess i'm gonna play some more hearthstone
18:06 <@oddball> Oh... it's asking if anyone pointed me to the job... Guess I should state someone that still works there.
18:06 <@oddball> NotLarry: What's your last name?
18:07 <@oddball> Evilpig: What's NotLarry's last name?
18:07 <@Dagmar> Eckstein
18:07 <@oddball> damnit... meant to PM that shit.
18:07  * oddball is clearly annoyed over this crap.
18:08 <@Dagmar> Although--and here's the fun thing--I just searched Outlook to find it
18:08 <@oddball> heh
18:08 <@Dagmar> The email I'm looking at shows him spelling it "ien".
18:08 <@Dagmar> I think he misspelled his own name.
18:08 <@Dagmar> Yay for witness protection
18:08 <@NotLarry> seriously
18:09 -!- NotLarry is now known as notnotlarry
18:09 <@Dagmar> You think I'm kidding?
18:09 <@notnotlarry> about witness protection?
18:09 <@notnotlarry> or about how I'm listed in exchange?
18:09 <@Dagmar> About misspelling your own name
18:09 <@notnotlarry> dislexia
18:10 <@Dagmar> dyslexia
18:10 <@notnotlarry> see
18:10 <@notnotlarry> that is why I always get confused when I'm typing and never know if it is gonna come out dagmar or cunt
18:10 <@notnotlarry> shit, I said that out loud didn't e?
18:10 <@notnotlarry> i?
18:10 <@notnotlarry> o?
18:10 <@notnotlarry> u didn't...
18:11 <@Dagmar> Anyway i was considering the EastRoom just to snub a hipster girl who I know will be there.  :)
18:11 <@Dagmar> She's been dating a lot of jackasses.
18:11 <@notnotlarry> can I get her number?
18:12 <@notnotlarry> Wait, hipster, it means I'd have to wash her first right?
18:12 <@Dagmar> ...and she's acted like a hipster bitch to me more than once over DJ shit, despite the fact that *I'm* an actual fucking DJ and she just blows them
18:12 <@Dagmar> ...and I saw her last week at goth night and she was all so very chipper to me because she was alone and completely out of her depth.
18:12 <@Dagmar> Heh
18:15 <@Dagmar> Not really sure what the fuck I'll wear tho
18:15 <@Dagmar> Yes, I do still own a crapton of "raver clothes" but by now I know if I don't give 'em a quick wash, the moment I get hot and a bit sweaty I smell like "stale closet"
18:17 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Do you have any idea when plebes such as myself might get to play Hearthstone?
18:17 <@notnotlarry> Yeah, I'm ready.
18:18 <@Evilpig> anarchival: if you were here you could play now
18:19 <@anarchival> Evilpig: So we're back to shipping me to New Jersey in a crate now? Why can't you just buy me a plane ticket, you cheap bastard?
18:19  * anarchival is about a biscuit away from reinstalling WoW, so help her God.
18:20 <@notnotlarry> anarchival: Cause it would be hard to get you past security.
18:20 <@notnotlarry> I need some new running sheers
18:21 <@anarchival> notnotlarry: The TSA loves me. If I'm on a watch list, they don't let me know it.
18:21 <@notnotlarry> anarchival: I ment your body, my bad.
18:21  * anarchival looks like an innocent Mormon housewife.
18:21 <@notnotlarry> meant even
18:22 <@anarchival> notnotlarry: Well that's just silly. If I'm already dead, how will I get to play Hearthstone?
18:22 <@oddball> notnotlarry: Ok, I've reapplied.
18:22 <@notnotlarry> Whoa, where did dead come in?  I'm just suggesting that when we ship women to pig they are not usually awake.
18:22 <@oddball> PM me Ed's number if I need to call him
18:23 <@notnotlarry> he is on at the noc
18:23 <@notnotlarry> 3222954
18:23 <@oddball> Thanks.
18:23 <@anarchival> notnotlarry: All I'm saying is, I'll go willingly. On a plane.
18:23 <@notnotlarry> anarchival: you want to take all the fun out of it.
18:23 <@Evilpig> anarchival: if you want a plane ticket that can be arranged.  but the crate was a sure thing
18:24 < RangerZ> it'll even have a stripper pole in the middle
18:24 < RangerZ> but bars all around the sides...
18:24 <@notnotlarry> Yeah, the crate is here waiting.
18:24 < RangerZ> ./s/but/and*
18:24 <@notnotlarry> Jesus, and y'all call me a sick bastard.
18:25 <@anarchival> Sigh. All I want to do is melt some faces, or failing that, win at cards.
18:25 <@notnotlarry> I was just gonna ship a woman to Evilpig like I've done a million times, y'all are getting weird with this.
18:25 <@notnotlarry> new season of league started today.  you should go melt faces.
18:26 <@notnotlarry> That is a group of players you can really sink your teeth into hating...
18:26 <@anarchival> notnotlarry: It seems like an awful lot of trouble, just to get Evilpig a woman. There are females in New Jersey, or so I've been told.
18:26 <@oddball> notnotlarry: Telling me to call Ed while you're talking to him on the phone... asshat.
18:28 <@anarchival> Oh so League of Legends is DOTA2?
18:31 <@Evilpig> yes
18:34 <@notnotlarry> anarchival: well, I don't know.  But don't tell a dota2 person it is.
18:37 <@anarchival> notnotlarry: I've played DOTA2, mostly because it's free on Steam. It didn't hook me.
18:38 <@notnotlarry> I've not played it.  I do play league.
18:38 <@notnotlarry> but mostly for the friendly community
18:41 <@anarchival> notnotlarry: I think the thing that made it boring is how few abilities there were, and the length of the cool downs on the few you did have, it made the PVP feel slow and lacking in strategy on an individual level (obviously there's a great deal of strategy on the team level). Which is special.
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19:00 <@Dagmar> I don't think Ginger Banks counts as "friendly".
19:00 <@Dagmar> ...and otherwise "but mostly for the friendly community" is just dark sarcasm.
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19:05 <@notnotlarry> anarchival: watch a couple esport videos on league, might like it.
19:05 <@notnotlarry> Dagmar: yes, very dark
19:07 <@notnotlarry> damn it, somehow I fucked up this steam install
19:08 <@Dagmar> Impressive
19:09 < RangerZ> ^
19:09 <@anarchival> oh wow there are sports announcers for games?
19:09 <@anarchival> WAY TO TOTALLY RUIN IT, GUYS
19:09 <@Dagmar> I mean normally that thing is pretty damn point & shoot
19:10 <@Dagmar> anarchival: You don't think those little shits are turning frothingly rabid from only the social stresses of seeing each other fail do you?
19:10 <@Dagmar> No, they completely lose their humanity because they have a _potential audience_ and think the fifty cents a week they'll get for attracting visitors means something
19:11 <@Dagmar> Frankly, they make me see the reason for Luchadorian drama
19:11 <@Dagmar> Luchadors *know* it's a show
19:11 <@notnotlarry> anarchival: yeah
19:11 <@anarchival> Dagmar: My competitiveness in social games is legendary within our city. This is still dumb.
19:11 <@Dagmar> They have no particular reason to get bent out of shape abuot the shit, ever
19:12 <@notnotlarry> I like watching the esport events
19:12 <@Dagmar> I think NotLarry could do a better impression of the "OMG WTF CARRY IN MIDS FUCK YOU" you'll see
19:12 <@Dagmar> I can watch some of them
19:12 <@notnotlarry> But then, the challenger level is so far beyond where I play
19:13 <@Dagmar> Thankfully most of those players have learn to keep their goddamn mouths shut, _or_ occasionally they're just decent people
19:13 <@anarchival> I like watching videos of people playing games, because I often pick up new tricks
19:13 <@anarchival> but this is nuts
19:13 <@notnotlarry> but the fucking trolls and shit in the level I play make me want to box a woman up and ship her to Evilpig
19:13 <@Dagmar> What I've seen of the hoi polloi is that they all need rabies injections
19:14 <@notnotlarry> the esport stuff won't make a lot of sense till you have played long enough to know what each champion does.
19:14 <@Dagmar> ...and possibly a medium-sized room, and me with a cat o' nine tails in each hand, and no adult supervision.
19:14 <@notnotlarry> There is a serious learning curve to being able to actualy watch the competition:)
19:14 <@anarchival> I might just put on a pr.arka and go play poker. Then again, I don't really like those people, eithe
19:14 <@Dagmar> Because I would enact some meaningful change they can believe in
19:14 <@anarchival> I seem to have misplaced an r.
19:14 < MinecraftRelay> [dynmap] wilpig: this thing has rendered so much and it isn't even a quarter of the way done
19:15 <@Dagmar> No, it's just a very small one that doesn't render properly
19:15 <@Dagmar> wilpig: yeah I was looking at just the tags earlier and going "fuck.  we were right about having to make a massive radius
19:16 <@Dagmar> I'll get a copy of the map from you this weekend and do some "experimenting" to find out what annoying shit we might not want it doing and how to get around it
19:16 <@Evilpig> you ran so far to get away from me and notnotlarry.  lol
19:16 <@Dagmar> Well, that and new items
19:16 <@Dagmar> But yeah, I did mean to make it something you wouldn't just casually do for hours
19:17 <@Dagmar> But now with command blocks and custom resource packs ther's some insane shit we can do
19:18 <@Dagmar> You can literally grab a mic, record yourself saying "I'm on' to make yew sqeal.", stick it in a zip file for the server to tell clients about, and have a trigger that will play it
19:18 <@Evilpig> heh
19:19 <@Dagmar> One nice utility of command blocks... NO MORE TRIVIALLY AVOIDING TRAPS.
19:19 <@Dagmar> We really need either an official API or some stable script bindings
19:21 <@Dagmar> Adventure mode can be fairly useful all by itself, and you can literally stick up a button on a wall next to a sign that will let someone flip themselves to that mode, and another one to go back to survival mode
19:21 <@Dagmar> ...and if you want to be a dick, it can be access restricted to only people who've gotten to a certain level first.  Heh
19:22 <@Dagmar> I've no idea how to readily set people back to their previous mode when they leave an area, but you can defintely use one command block to set people to adventure mode when they get near it
19:23 <@Dagmar> ...or start people in adventure mode, give them a weapon, and make them have to murder their way to a level where a switch to surv/crea mode could trigger
19:24 < Vyrus001> anybody wanna move to LA for dev work in go?
19:24 <@Dagmar> I thought Go was kind of "done".
19:24 <@Dagmar> Hundreds of years ago.
19:25 < RangerZ> 'go' ?
19:25 < RangerZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(programming_language)
19:25 <@Dagmar> I can "hope" someone named a language that for some reason
19:25 <@Dagmar> I kind of think the board game takes precedence in namespace
19:26 < RangerZ> yeah
19:26 < RangerZ> looks like it took the leasons of java, and applied them to c
19:26 < RangerZ> memory mang.
19:26 < RangerZ> etc
19:26 <@Dagmar> It's not like Go is computing, per se, but I don't think anyone could get through two semesters of college without hearing about it
19:26 < RangerZ> nah, its not a big deal in undergraduate schooling
19:27 <@Dagmar> Yes but the later year students I've known have mostly been frothy about trying to find people to play it with them
19:27 < RangerZ> the 'game' go?
19:28 <@Dagmar> Yes.
19:28 < RangerZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikaru_no_Go
19:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Hikaru no Go - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
19:28 < RangerZ> learn how to play from the anime
19:28 < RangerZ> lol
19:28 <@Dagmar> hrhrh
19:28 < RangerZ> actually a good anime
19:29 < RangerZ> the ending gets long in the tooth
19:29 < RangerZ> but 'ehh'
19:29 <@Dagmar> GO IS TURING COMPLETE
19:30 <@anarchival> Actually Golang took functional programming and made it slow: http://togototo.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/benchmarking-level-generation-go-rust-haskell-and-d/
19:31 < RangerZ> anarchival: so?
19:31 < RangerZ> speed of code doesn't matter
19:31 < RangerZ> unless it is operating system code
19:31 < RangerZ> or hi-performance
19:31 < RangerZ> and even then... often it is true that easier to code wins out
19:33 < RangerZ> if not we'd all be using fortran
19:33 < RangerZ> lol
19:35 <@anarchival> RangerZ: When you're doing concurrency, which is what FP languages like Go are typically designed for, then speed matters a whole helluva lot.
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19:47 < RangerZ> it feels like you are using 'concurrency' wrong there, because I can write concurrent  programs in java, which scale better than pretty much everything else out there
19:48 < RangerZ> I'd think it would be better to call it 'data processing' not 'concurrency'
19:49 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Well sure. Let's just let the data be the schema, too.
19:50  * anarchival layers her clothing, drinks some vodka, or goes to play poker.
19:50 < RangerZ> ok... not sure what that is suppose to mean, probably has to due with the convo i had about how APIs should be designed by generators using schemas
19:51 < RangerZ> not 'designed'
19:51 < RangerZ> but 'created'
20:09 <@Evilpig> when you're off to play strip poker it's best to add extra layers if you're not good
20:17 < RangerZ> Evilpig: but why do you only wear a one piece suit with Velcro on the back, so you can tear it off in an instant
20:21 <@Corydon76-work> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t31/966488_10200467560130707_2001690917_o.jpg SFW
20:22 <@Corydon76-work> These are completely flat ceramic tiles
20:27 < RangerZ> yeah
20:27 < RangerZ> i see it
20:27 < RangerZ> its one of those images where you cross your eyes and see the background image
20:27 < RangerZ> right?
20:27 < RangerZ> right?
20:28 <@Corydon76-work> Not quite.  MC Escher, basically
20:28 <@Corydon76-work> My father said he nearly fell down trying to cross the floor.
20:29 < RangerZ> lol
20:31 <@aestetix> penis
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20:54 <@Shadow404> bitches
20:54 <@Shadow404> got my nasa social details today
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21:00 <@eryc> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/build-it-2014 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/belay-it-2014 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bring-it-2014
21:00 < GateKeeper> Title: build_it_2014 on USTREAM: The Build It! track for Shmoocon 2014. Conference (at www.ustream.tv)
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21:17 < RangerZ> holy hell
21:17 < RangerZ> finch has sound support
21:17 < RangerZ> lol
21:26 <@Evilpig> http://geekologie.com/2014/01/phone-thieves-unknowingly-upload-sad-hom.php
21:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Phone Thieves Unknowingly Upload Sad Homemade P0rno To Owner's Dropbox | Geekologie (at geekologie.com)
21:30 < RangerZ> hehe
21:33 < RangerZ> so I'm testing StarCitizen's new XMPP chat
21:33 < RangerZ> its nice XMPP
21:33 < RangerZ> thank god... getting away from "chatroll"
21:33 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: what you up to? minecraft in a few perhaps?
21:34 <@Evilpig> waiting on a pizza.  watching a little tv
21:35 <@Shadow404> so second question....
21:35 <@Evilpig> thinking I might fantasize about anarchival and jerk it for a while too.  make sure that creepy feeling comes through the interwebs
21:35 <@Shadow404> what do u think im doing right this second?
21:35 <@Shadow404> mmmm anarchival
21:35 <@Evilpig> playing with your weather shit and watching tv?
21:35 <@Shadow404> thats why i said in a few
21:36 <@Shadow404> na, thinking of anarchival
21:52 <@Evilpig> someone try calling my cell.  
21:52 <@Evilpig> nm
21:52 <@Evilpig> my repeater is working my phoen is just being retarded
22:23 < MinecraftRelay> <shadow404_lang> oh hi world
22:24 < MinecraftRelay> <shadow404_lang> crap start out with monsters around
22:25 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: whats the map url?
22:25 <@Evilpig> dynmap.wilpig.org
22:27 < MinecraftRelay> <shadow404_lang> ok, i got away, your mom was chasing me (creepers)
22:31 < MinecraftRelay> <shadow404_lang> well fuck
22:32 < RangerZ> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
22:32 < GateKeeper> Title: SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
22:32 < RangerZ> so more Unix experience
22:32 < RangerZ> experienced*
22:32 < RangerZ> is that a good guide ?
22:33 < RangerZ> or is it missing 'obvious' failings?
22:38 < MinecraftRelay> <shadow404_lang> i never did finish this rail chunnel
22:42 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: It
22:42 <@Dagmar> It's "okay".
22:43 <@Dagmar> sshd generally logs failed logins by default so I dunno what they did to make someone have to manually set that
22:43 < RangerZ> whats wrong with it?
22:48 < RangerZ> not sure
22:48 < RangerZ> haven't touched it at all yet
22:48 < MinecraftRelay> Death:  %player%  shadow404_lang decided a free popcicle sounded like a good idea!
22:48 < RangerZ> figured i'd ask people who know better
22:48 <@sasquatc4> goddamnit our IT is retarded, who still puts a limit on inbox size, and at that a freakin 2gb limit
22:48 < MinecraftRelay> <shadow404_lang> lag
22:52 < MinecraftRelay> Death:  %player%  shadow404_lang got some free candy!
22:54 <@Evilpig> damnit.  why did it put the variable in there again
23:02 <@Dagmar> to amuse us
23:03 <@Evilpig> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/15/oregon-teen-who-killed-2-in-fatal-leaf-pile-hit-run-found-guilty/
23:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Oregon teen who killed 2 in fatal leaf pile hit-run found guilty | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com)
23:05 <@Dagmar> I'm with the defense attorney
23:12 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> Man I'd completely forgotten about Nippleton
23:13 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> Hopefully the golems will regulate on the eventual zombie events
23:14 <@Evilpig> heh
23:14 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> WTF. This dude sells eye of enders
23:14 <@Evilpig> the damn zombie outbreaks in gnomoria rip me apart
23:17 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> fuck
23:17 <@Evilpig> ?
23:17 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> It realigned some of the cornice here
23:18 < RangerZ> so NE Ohio had Thunder Snow tonight
23:18 < RangerZ> thunderstorm with snow
23:18 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> It did that here last time. PolarBearnados
23:19 <@Evilpig> is that command warp or waypoint ?
23:19 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> It's /warp
23:25 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> Time to start a fire
23:30 < MinecraftRelay> Death:  %player%  *FIRE!* evilDagmar just got barbequed!
23:32 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> Well shit. It spread to the trees
23:32 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> No matter. I can plant more
23:35 <@aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ju4yzEHxJk
23:35 < GateKeeper> Title: Julian Assange Responds To Obamas Big NSA Reforms Speech: "I Think Its Embarrassing" - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:38 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> Hey Wilbur. Cover your ears
23:39 <@Evilpig> why am I covering my ears?
23:40 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> Well... that certainly got rid of most fo the cats
23:41 <@Evilpig> lol
23:42 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> All things considered, that demo went about like I expected it to
23:47 < MinecraftRelay> <evilDagmar> Minecarts ain't exactly quiet anymore
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