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01:05 < PiLarry> Evilpig: ping
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02:50 < aestetix_> http://x.hope.net/#
02:50 < GateKeeper> Title: HOPE X (at x.hope.net)
02:50 < aestetix_> I can't wait to hear the hipsters complain about this
03:19 <@Catonic> greets
03:19 <@Catonic> hope is 10? shiiiit, I'm old.
03:23 < aestetix_> HOPE is actually 20
03:23 < aestetix_> this is the 10th HOPE though
03:25 <@Catonic> ... not helping.
03:25 <@Catonic> I feel like I should pass along a phone number to be scrawled on the bathroom walls.
03:26 < aestetix_> or just show up
03:52 <@Catonic> that would both be expensive and dangerous
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04:25 <@aestetix> vagina
05:24 <@aestetix> ok that is interesting
05:24 <@aestetix> I was decompressing a huge tarball
05:24 <@aestetix> stopped the process partway through, deleted the source, then resumed, and it went fine
05:25 <@aestetix> I'm assuming it didn't fully delete the file because of file locking?
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07:33 <@NotLarry> Can I go home now?
07:34 <@NotLarry> oddball: thanks
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07:39 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: was it your picture on the poster?
07:39 <@Shadow404> how are you tweeting with handcuffs on?
07:40 <@Shadow404> Hey Morpheus fans! It's Free Flight test day. We're going a little higher and ascending faster than before. Ignition just after 1:00 EST.
07:40 <@Shadow404> woops, last line, wrong channel
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07:45 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:59 <@Shadow404> waz up dole-train
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08:07  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:08  * Dolemite shares some flatulence with aestetix
08:08 <@Shadow404> aww, thats a sign of love
08:11 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: no
08:12 <@Shadow404> two which part? the handcuffs or the poster?
08:12 <@Evilpig> cops actually do put their finger over the hole too.  it was very surreal
08:12 <@aestetix> you knwo what fucking sucks
08:12 <@Evilpig> really good whores?
08:12 <@aestetix> troubleshooting an issue on a 400 gig data dump on a drive that isn't ssd
08:13 <@aestetix> "run command" *wait 4 hours* shout "fuck", run another command
08:13 <@Shadow404> hehe, not as bad as what i had to do last night
08:14 <@aestetix> I am not kidding about the 4 hours. I timed it a few times.
08:14 <@opticron> sounds like you're having a bad day
08:14 <@aestetix> opticron: it could be worse, but yes
08:15 <@Shadow404> so i got abotu half of my data transferred off the old dying drive, but it kept overheating on me, so i went to store and bought two slabs of dry ice and sandwhiched the drive between them
08:15 <@aestetix> haha
08:15 <@opticron> lol
08:15 <@Shadow404> kept it cool enough to get the larger transfers off
08:15 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: So they actually knocked on your door this morning?
08:15 <@Evilpig> nope
08:16 <@Evilpig> that was the freaky part
08:16 <@Shadow404> felt kinda like a mad scientist, white fog and blicking hd status lights
08:16 <@Shadow404> *blinking
08:16 <@Evilpig> I opened my door to put a note on it for dhl and saw people standing across the hall with their finger over the peephole
08:16 <@aestetix> over what hole
08:16 <@Evilpig> I put the note on the door and closed it
08:16 <@opticron> aestetix, vagina
08:16 <@aestetix> ah ok
08:16 <@Evilpig> finished getting ready and came out then a cop came up and showed me a picture of some black dude and asked if I had ever seen him go into that apt
08:17 <@Evilpig> also finally got into the hearthstone beta this morning
08:19 <@Shadow404> should of put a sock on the door too
08:19 <@Shadow404> next to the dhl note
08:19 <@Shadow404> :)
08:28 <@Mirage> http://www.cad-comic.com/sillies/
08:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del - Sillies - (2013-10-27) (at www.cad-comic.com)
08:29 <@Evilpig> heh
08:30 <@Mirage> That needs to be a Cards Against Humanity card too..
08:34 <@aestetix> man
08:34 <@aestetix> once you go solid state, you never go back
08:34 < RangerZ> stop being a racist, and leaving blacks out of everything
08:35 <@aestetix> hahah
08:40 <@Shadow404> heh
08:45 <@aestetix> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings
08:45 < GateKeeper> Title: Delegated Strings | ICANN New gTLDs (at newgtlds.icann.org)
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08:50 <@Evilpig> aestetix: I still say that is the biggest load of shit
08:51 < RangerZ> agreed
08:51 < RangerZ> fucking money grab
08:51 < RangerZ> thats all it was, extortion
08:51 < RangerZ> "thats a nice domain name you have there, it would be a shame if you didn't buy the gTLD that goes with it"
08:55 <@Shadow404> oh god....
08:55 <@anarchival> I slept! Praise sweet little baby Jesus!
08:55 <@Shadow404> .singles is gonna be interesting
08:59  * Dickie tips over
08:59 <@Evilpig> anarchival: I could have made you sleep, you just didn't ask
09:00 <@anarchival> Evilpig: From New Jersey? I seriously doubt that. Unless you were planning on reading me the phone book or something.
09:05 < RangerZ> he would have just tried hitting on you, it makes most women just fall asleep
09:08 <@Dagmar> fucking colds
09:08 <@Dagmar> smurfs have been touching my shit and I have to stay in bed
09:10 <@Dagmar> ".IMMOBILIEN"?
09:11 <@Dagmar> Ah... german for real estate
09:12 <@Dagmar> I know Zodiac Leo Limited is almost certianly a Chinese firm, but I can' thelp but think ".WANG" is not going to be used for familiy names
09:16 <@anarchival> .shoes? Really, Internet? Really?
09:17 <@anarchival> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCF3ywukQYA
09:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Shoes the Full Version - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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09:24 <@Dagmar> C'mon.  Chicks love shoes
09:25 <@brimstone> .cheap?
09:25 <@Dagmar> Also considering that the sizes are rather standardized now (well, to within a region or three) they're one of the few things one can reliably order over the internet
09:25 <@brimstone> what, no .money?
09:25 <@Dagmar> "Large"?  Shit... without a measuring guide there's no telling if that will fit
09:26 <@Dagmar> ...but 9 1/2 UK is a rather specific size
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09:29 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Something tells me you've had some experience in wearing women's shoes. Just a sense I'm getting.
09:30 <@Dagmar> No, Men's shoes.  You logic lacks coherence.
09:30 <@Dagmar> s/You/Your/
09:30 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I still think you'd look pretty dressed as a girl.
09:30 <@Dagmar> No thanks
09:31 <@Dagmar> I'm totally fine with looking pretty dressed as a man
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09:36 <@anarchival> I want amberadams.aero. Just because.
09:37 <@anarchival> Or maybe I should get astroglideadams.aero, which of course is my roller derby name.
09:38 < RangerZ> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/01/16/1338213/adobe-adds-3d-printer-support-to-photoshop ok....
09:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Adobe Adds 3D Printer Support To Photoshop - Slashdot (at hardware.slashdot.org)
09:38 < RangerZ> b/c I love my 2D image manipulation apps making plugins for 3d.... ohh wait...
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09:42 <@anarchival> RangerZ:  PS has 3D tools, even though I don't know why you wouldn't use Blender for meshes.
09:42 < RangerZ> or maya
09:44 <@anarchival> I love her response to "do you participate in a language community?" http://www.lambdaladies.com/2014/01/16/interview-with-dana-mccallum-senior-engineer-at-twitter/
09:47 <@brimstone> "everyone on the internet is an asshole" even her
09:47 <@brimstone> boosh
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09:53 <@anarchival> Filling in for another docent at the Parthenon on Saturday, so I'll miss Women Programmers. Again. But the good news is it's a troop of brownies, so I can fill their little heads full of feminism!
09:53 <@brimstone> feministsoftwarefoundation.org
09:53 < RangerZ> until they 18
09:53 < RangerZ> then their heads will be filled with something else
09:54 <@Shadow404> anarchival: do you despise bras?
09:54 <@anarchival> RangerZ:...brains?
09:54 < RangerZ> thats one term for it
09:54 <@Shadow404> and deoderant?
09:54 <@anarchival> Shadow404: Yes. But I dislike clothes, generally.
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09:55 <@anarchival> Shadow404: http://www.satanic-kindred.org/witch.htm
09:55 < GateKeeper> Title: The Satanic Witch (at www.satanic-kindred.org)
09:57 <@Shadow404> ah, so are you pagan?
09:57 <@Shadow404> i like to run skyclad whenever possible, but winter parties are not so much fun on chance of hypothermia
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10:00 <@anarchival> Shadow404: Well, my great-grandfather founded the Church of Christ where I attended until I was six, at which time my mother and I converted to the LDS Church (Mormonism), of which I was a righteous and faithful member until my late teens and early twenties when a combination of studying too much of its history and theology, embracing some skepticism, the trauma of attending Catholic school, and becoming a feminist drew me away into a theolog
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10:02 <@anarchival> Every dude I've dated since I left the LDS Church (when I only dated other Mormons) has been an atheist, though, so I suspect that's where my heart is really at.
10:03 <@Shadow404> that didnt answer my question
10:03 <@Shadow404> are you atheist or pagan?
10:03 <@anarchival> Shadow404: I'm agnostic.
10:04 <@anarchival> Shadow404: Okay, okay. I'm a witch.
10:05 <@Shadow404> BURN HERE AT THE STAKE
10:06 <@anarchival> Shadow404: You only burn witches who don't confess, silly. You're not very good at this Inquisition stuff.
10:07 <@anarchival> Shadow404: Also I think you're missing the deoderant reference entirely, which makes me sad.
10:07 <@Evilpig> Employee Stock Purchase Plan (ESPP) Open Enrollment is here!
10:07 <@Evilpig> woot!
10:07 <@Shadow404> all bitches, er witches,  shall burn
10:07 <@Evilpig> This is your opportunity to enroll or change your contribution rate for the Offering Period that runs from February 11, 2014 to May 10, 2014.
10:08 <@anarchival> Shadow404: Also the irony of a dress code for a Satanic Witch.
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10:08 <@Shadow404> anarchival: disguise
10:09  * anarchival has your dress code right here.
10:09  * anarchival flips Anton LaVey the bird.
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10:10 <@Corydon76-work> Anybody ever heard of a 9-digit credit card number?
10:12 <@Dickie> Foreign?
10:12 <@Mirage> Not a Major CC..but i've seen some private company ones that were shorter (9-10 digits)
10:13 <@Dickie> Yeah! I had a Marks & Morgan card once and it was significantly shorter
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10:20 <@Corydon76-work> Our system apparently doesn't handle them very well, and we're trying to figure out how to replicate the order, so we actually have some debugging information to send to our vendor
10:21 <@Corydon76-work> There's an Apple community post about an Israeli card that is 9-digits...
10:21 <@Corydon76-work> I've just never seen one
10:22 <@Corydon76-work> Even my common source of test credit cards, the shortest I have is 11-digit
10:22 <@Corydon76-work> 13 is the shortest I've seen for a Visa
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10:45 <@benthemeek> So a rabbit, a gynecologist, and a java coder walk into a bar...
10:45 <@benthemeek> (sorry it just seemed quiet and I felt the need for the silence to be broken)
10:47 <@Shadow404> benthemeek: what about Dolemite's proctologis?
10:48 <@Dolemite> Shadow404: What about you?
10:48 <@Shadow404> a gynecologist just seems sexist
10:48 <@Shadow404> and we have to respect the female members of the channel and their beliefs
10:49  * benthemeek thinks he must of missed something that happened on here that prompts Shadow's remarks
10:49 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: and that's what you get for thinking
10:49 <@benthemeek> There are male and female lady doctors....
10:49 <@Dolemite> Yeah, what Evilpig said
10:49 <@benthemeek> mia culpa!
10:49 <@Dolemite> mea
10:50 <@benthemeek> yeah my latin is rusty
10:50 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: Some gynecologists have gone into doing examinations on men for anal cancer
10:51 <@Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/kliA1AK.png
10:52 <@Evilpig> and what are you assholes doing at work today?
10:52 <@Shadow404> benthemeek: got the channel to start talking, right?
10:52 <@brimstone> troubleshooting a network outage with a windows 8 laptop
10:53 <@benthemeek> For my part formatting old crotchety data with vim into a useable form I can drop onto a wiki
10:54 <@benthemeek> brimstone: Doest thou missest telnet on thine windows 8 laptop?
10:54 <@brimstone> not yet, but i probably will in a bit
10:54 <@benthemeek> I haven't looked but I assume someone made Cygwin run on windows 8 in the distant past?
10:55 <@brimstone> dunno, that machine can't get out
10:55 <@SuMo_D> I remember when my friend who is a pathologist was like why the fuck do you call it a lady doctor just say gynecologist ahhh!!!
10:55 <@SuMo_D> I wasn't living in the south at the time though...
10:55 < frsilent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKboLTwzFTs check out Joffery being a decent human being
10:55 < GateKeeper> Title: I Hate Celebrity Culture | Jack Gleeson | Oxford Union - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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11:00 <@benthemeek> My brain has associated that guy with BAD in my head.
11:00 <@benthemeek> Hopefully he can get some other non crazy evil roles
11:02 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Do you know if there's a way to "flatten" the HTML5 canvas so that when you print out a data center map it also shows the current color overlays?
11:03 <@Evilpig> it should print whatever is on the current screen
11:03 <@Evilpig> if it doesn't then we'll need to look at =grabbing the current state and generating a different print page
11:04 <@Dagmar> You can define a set of CSS for printing
11:05 <@Dolemite> The problem is that when you go to print, it only prints the current top layer - so the underlying data center map itself isn't there.  Only the colored boxes.
11:05 <@Dagmar> Newegg (IIRC) uses a mechanism like that
11:05 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: that doesn't help when the canvas element is draw by js
11:05 <@Evilpig> oh... that's a [print option you dolt
11:05 <@Evilpig> turn on background image printing
11:07 <@Dolemite> That's a chrome option, but this lab is so frackin' Microsoft oriented that most of the users are on IE
11:08 <@Evilpig> that's an IE, Chrome, FF option as well
11:08 <@Dolemite> Ok, must just be a in a different spot.  In Chrome it's with the print dialog.
11:08 <@Evilpig> I assure you it's there.
11:09 <@Dolemite> I'll look for it after lunch
11:10 <@Dagmar> SO the lowest layer is in the _background_?  Yeah, that's a problem
11:10 <@Dolemite> The lowest layer *is* the background
11:11 <@Dagmar> You realize this is basically telling the browser it's the backdrop to the page, right?
11:11 <@Dagmar> I'm sure it _looks_ fine, but background isn't part of the data
11:11 <@Dolemite> No, it's not an HTML background
11:12 <@Evilpig> yes it's an html background on a div
11:12 <@Evilpig> it's a background image because when canvas was trying to redraw some elements on IE it was causing a flickering from loading large images
11:12 <@Dolemite> Well it's a canvas background
11:12 <@Dagmar> Well, either way flipping hte option to print the background should get around it
11:12 <@Dagmar> Probably too late to ask why not Zoidberg..er.SVG
11:12 <@Evilpig> it's not a canvas background.  it's a background on a div that is hovering underneath a canvas
11:13 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: it's a user supplied background
11:13 <@Dolemite> <div class="canvas" style="background-image: url('drawings/CSBx-K200.png')">
11:13 <@Evilpig> and then the actual canvas is above that, in dom terms
11:14 <@Dagmar> It *probably* needs to be it's own layer under the rest, and not the actual background.
11:14 <@Dolemite> You two argue over semantics.  I'm going to eat lunch and then come back and work on this report so that I can commit to GitHub and drive Wilbur crazy with my loose use of stylesheets.
11:14 <@Dagmar> ...since it's part of the information being presented.
11:15 <@Evilpig> to do that it would have to be an image that was absolute positioned and the z-index moved down.  this was easier and was just as effective with less work except it requires the end user to enable background image printing
11:18 <@Dagmar> Damn.
11:18 <@Dagmar> http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/1vd7ue/new_skin_layout_explanation_in_comments/
11:18 < GateKeeper> Title: New skin layout (explanation in comments) : Minecraft (at www.reddit.com)
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11:44 <@Dolemite> Ugh.  How can a restaurant/cafeteria in the South that can make consistently decent BBQ be just as consistently bad when it comes to cornbread?
11:45 <@Dolemite> Such is the dichotomy of Buddy's Cafe.
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11:48 <@brimstone> does anyone do cornbread really well and not do BBQ well?
11:48 <@brimstone> cuz i have an idea
11:53 <@Shadow404> does anyone really care about cornbread? cause im all about the bbw
11:53 <@Shadow404> *bbq
11:53 <@Shadow404> dont read into that
11:53 <@brimstone> totally reading into that
11:54 <@Shadow404> at least it wasnt bbc
11:55 <@Dolemite> brimstone: There used to be a place in Franklin, TN, called Herbert's BBQ that made mediocre BBQ but abso-fan-freakin-tastic cornbread.  That's about as close of an a good example as I can think of.
11:55 <@Dolemite> The problem with the cornbread at Buddy's Cafe is that it's consistently as dry as Shadow404's mother's vagina.
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12:02 <@Shadow404> hey, she can't help that
12:02 <@Shadow404> not after your broke her
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12:45 <@anarchival> commit to Github...oh no...I broke the chain!
12:47 <@anarchival> Fuck it. That was a stupid resolution, anyway.
12:48 <@Evilpig> 2nd day from china.  wtf.  http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=1630321103
12:48 < GateKeeper> Title: DHL | Tracking | English (at www.dhl.com)
12:50 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: tell me you didn't need a hatachi that drastically?
12:50 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: if you don't get them within a day or two they run out of water and the crate is more than just a little difficult to get rid of
12:51 <@Shadow404> aww, bad
12:52 <@Evilpig> you make a shitty joke, expect a worse one back
12:55 <@Shadow404> heh
12:56 <@Evilpig> everyone wish NotLarry luck on his interview today
12:57 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: all the miyazaki is good to grab now
12:58 <@Dolemite> k
12:59 <@Evilpig> a few of them are a little on the large file side but I figure these are worth it
13:00 <@anarchival> Joffrey is just less intelligent version of Octavian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGEoYUZ6r8
13:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Rome: Dinner With Octavian - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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13:04 <@Dolemite> Jack Gleeson is, from reports by his coworkers on Game of Thrones, one of the nicest, hardworking people on the set
13:04 <@Dolemite> A similar thing was said about the guy that played Draco Malfoy
13:04 <@Dolemite> That's because it's so FUN to play the villain
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13:06 <@anarchival> Dolemite: Tom Felton seems just as good-natured if not more so than Daniel Radcliffe.
13:06 <@anarchival> Although I always thought of Draco as less evil and more just a brat.
13:06 <@Dolemite> yep, the interviews I've seen him in outside of his character of Draco Malfoy have made me like him, and look forward to seeing him in other things
13:07 <@Dolemite> well essentially Joffrey is the epitome of what happens when you place a child that has never heard the word "no" into a position of near limitless power
13:08 <@anarchival> This role, on the other hand? It's creepy. http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/insecret/
13:08 < GateKeeper> Title: In Secret - Movie Trailers - iTunes (at trailers.apple.com)
13:08 <@Dolemite> I'm sure that when we get about 3-4 episodes into the next season we'll hear a collective cheer from everybody watching Game of Thrones at that moment
13:09 <@anarchival> Dolemite: Also, when twins reproduce together.
13:09 <@anarchival> Dolemite: Frankly, I was so pissed off after the end of the last book I don't even want to watch the show.
13:09 <@Dolemite> Oh, you say that now
13:10 <@Dolemite> What specifically pissed you off?
13:10 <@Dolemite> and don't shy away from spoilers.  I've already spoiled it for anybody who pays attention in here as it is.
13:10 <@anarchival> Dolemite: Well, my second favorite character might be dead, while the sadist still lives.
13:11 <@Dolemite> Just don't ever say "Snape killed Dumbledore" to Oddball.  Mirage got him really really bad with that one when they both worked in the NOC at Vanderbilt.
13:11 <@anarchival> Dolemite: I mean, I'm having trouble imagining the death which will make *his* death satisfying.
13:11 <@Dolemite> anarchival: Oh there is no fucking way that Jon Snow is actually dead.
13:11 <@Dolemite> And *which* sadist?
13:11 <@Dolemite> There are so many
13:11 <@anarchival> Dolemite: Also I'm ready for Dani to get across the fucking ocean and take the crown already. Before she runs out of dragons.
13:13 <@anarchival> Dolemite: I have a pet theory that Arya is the scion of the Stark clan, anyway. Jon was starting to finally take an interest in his birthright, though.
13:13 <@Shadow404> There are 6 villages in France called 'Silly', 12 called 'Billy', & 2 called 'Prat'.
13:13 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I still think that somehow Jon is going to be one of the three heads for the dragons.  He's going to survive his stabbing via skinwalking, and as he increases that skill, he'll somehow end up being able to control a dragon.
13:13 <@Dolemite> And then perhaps Bran as the new Last Greenseer would control the oter.
13:13 <@Dolemite> other.
13:13 <@anarchival> Dolemite: Ramsay Snow.
13:13 <@Dolemite> Well had you said Bastard that would have been much clearer
13:14 <@Dolemite> But again, he hates being called that
13:14 <@Dolemite> Arya is the shit.  QED.
13:15 <@Dolemite> I'm also ready to see Stannis chopped down at the knees and for the Sand Snakes to bite.
13:15 <@anarchival> Dolemite: Wouldn't it be interesting if Arya is being sent to assassinate Ramsay? A girl can dream.
13:16 <@Dolemite> I'd thought of/hoped for that
13:18 <@Dolemite> Man, there are a LOT of VIP tours here this week
13:19 <@Dolemite> We must have a delegation from DoE here
13:21 <@Dolemite> Ah, there we go.  TVA suits.
13:32 <@Corydon76-work> They were wondering where all that power went?
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13:33  * RangerZ|Laptop le bored
13:35 <@brimstone> start a fight on the internet
13:35 <@brimstone> that's what works for me
13:36  * Evilpig plans to build a deck out of RangerZ|Laptop 
13:37 <@Dickie> Your fervently held beliefs are wrong!
13:37 <@Dickie> White people shouldn't own property. Go!
13:38  * Evilpig books Dickie a ticket back to Africa
13:38 <@brimstone> Property shouldn't own white people. Check.
13:38 <@Shadow404> ^5 brimstone
13:39 <@Shadow404> and on that note, i just found out first estimate was $3k to remove 2 dead trees and branch trimming around my utility aerial feeds
13:39 <@Shadow404> sigh
13:39 <@Shadow404> got two more people coming, so hopefully will get some better quotes
13:39 <@Evilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: since you're bored you can track down the dhl driver with my box
13:40 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: containing your chineese property?
13:40 <@Evilpig> my processor with hardwired chinese backdoor
13:41 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: Find out the cost of running two new aerial feeds
13:41 <@Corydon76-work> If it's less, take out the trees yourself and risk taking out the aerial feeds
13:42 <@Shadow404> the trees are literally right next to the aerial cables, thats not gonna work :(
13:43 <@Shadow404> my dedecutible for the house is 1k, so i wonder if i should use that?
13:43 <@Corydon76-work> You're missing what I'm saying
13:43 <@Corydon76-work> If you take down the trees and it wipes out the aerial feeds, what does it cost to simply replace them?
13:43 <@Shadow404> 2 utility companies, lots of headaches, loss of power for x-time
13:44 <@Shadow404> and loss of inet for x time
13:44 <@Shadow404> both which suck, but one a little more than the other
13:44 <@Shadow404> easier to trim the branches
13:44 <@Corydon76-work> Right, but will the utility companies do it for free?
13:44 <@Shadow404> hmm, i should call and ask
13:45 <@Evilpig> well at least if you took them out you could get them replaced with underground lines
13:45 <@Shadow404> true, that might do that for free
13:45 <@Shadow404> but then i would have to get comcast to do that same thing too
13:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> Evilpig: found him
13:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> the DHL driver is taking a nap ontop of your box
13:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> he looks comfy
13:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently your box has a lot of packing, it looks to be making a good pillow
13:47 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: the trench diggers are pretty fun tools
13:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> day laborers from home depot?
13:48 <@Corydon76-work> I should see if we have a demo one at work I can borrow
13:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-work: you shouldn't call them "tools"
13:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> you should call them "laborers"
13:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> ;)
13:48 <@Corydon76-work> No, it's a wheeled tools that looks like a chainsaw
13:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, i know
13:52 <@Shadow404> lawl
13:52 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: good news, they will do the branch trimming for free
13:52 <@Shadow404> WOOT WOOT
13:52 <@Corydon76-work> The utility company?
13:52 <@Shadow404> still got to dead trees to contend with, but will save some money
13:52 <@Shadow404> aye, the emc will
13:53 <@Corydon76-work> Excellent news
13:53 <@Shadow404> or comcast, but id rather have emc do it
13:53 <@Corydon76-work> If you're out there when they come by, you might even convince them to be a little "aggressive" on their trimming.
13:54 <@Corydon76-work> The more they trim, the less you have to contend with
13:54 <@Shadow404> yeah, but its one of those "well be out within the next 7-10 buisnes days between 8-5"
13:54 <@anarchival> Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex.
13:54 <@Shadow404> aka, when im at work
13:54 <@Shadow404> gf is being awesome and is really asking the quote pelple the right questions and calling me after each one is done
13:55 <@Corydon76-work> Leave them a note on the tree:  "I won't be offended if you take out more of this tree to avoid any additional line problems"
13:55 <@Shadow404> thats a good idea
13:56 <@Shadow404> even a gift card as a bribe
13:56 <@Shadow404> $10
13:57 <@Corydon76-work> I would stay away from bribes.  Tips, perhaps.
13:57 <@Shadow404> ok
13:57 <@Shadow404> i wont be onsite, so the note will have to do
14:00 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: any chance if they run underground power lines, they would be willing to leave the ditch open to allow comcast to run their lines in the same trench?
14:00 <@Shadow404> not sure how much they cooperate with one another
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14:01 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: Unlikely.  There's liability issues to leaving a trench open.
14:01 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: The Romans called them gifts.
14:01 <@Shadow404> ah ok
14:02 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: in any case, you don't want communication lines in the same trench as power lines
14:03 <@Shadow404> yeah, static, but at any rate, cable is bascially hanging on the power lines right now
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14:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> @Shadow shouldn't be, unless you're pretty far from the pole to your house
14:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> Shadow404: b/c the cable lines run ~10ft lower on the poles than the power
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14:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> gods... sometimes I love just sitting on campus, and watching people walk by
14:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> and by people, I don't mean guys
14:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
14:25 <@Shadow404> Catonic: you do realize i dont use fb anymore
14:25 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ|Laptop: The male Vandy Candy ain't bad, either
14:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-work: i could see that
14:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently there is a new big social network in India
14:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> one of my profs was talking about it
14:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> none of us had even heard of it, lol
14:28 <@Corydon76-work> The GangRape social network?
14:29 <@Corydon76-work> Seems to be popular over there
14:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah but ItAintGayIfYoureOnTop is popular in Turkey
14:29 <@anarchival> http://worldfloat.com/
14:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> so that means Corydon76-work is Turkish straight
14:30 < GateKeeper> Title: Social Networking WebSite | Worldfloat.com (at worldfloat.com)
14:30 <@Corydon76-work> My parents are actually in India right now
14:30 <@anarchival> They're offering 5,000 free video tutorials for students now, so I could see why your professor might be interested.
14:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> I've had some pretty interesting discussions with indians about how their biggest issue, is that they don't even speak the same languages
14:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> doug has over 1000 by himself now
14:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently they have like 200 'big' languages in india
14:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> i was like...wtf... lol
14:31 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ|Laptop: I thought their biggest issue is that they have regulations out the wazoo and people still regularly shit in their rivers
14:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> and a dozen regional ones
14:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> that and bribes are common
14:32 <@Corydon76-work> Open sewage drains in the cities
14:32 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, I'm sorry, "sanitary canals"
14:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-ED535_0729ip_H_20090729052448.jpg
14:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats : http://ln-s.net/ATSO
14:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> basically its so bad, that people run their own Electricity lines
14:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> and steal electricity
14:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is why they have rolling blackouts, b/c the 'official' #s and the 'real' #s are no where close to each other
14:34 <@Dolemite> That's true in the shanty towns
14:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> i was giving one a ride, and he was amazed that we stopped at red lights, and had crosswalks, etc
14:34 <@Shadow404> RangerZ|Laptop: not at my house, the cable lines are twisted around the power cable, and the power cable is attached a guider cable
14:34  * RangerZ|Laptop comforts Shadow404
14:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> that was when he first arrived here
14:35 <@Dolemite> But when I was in the business districts of Chennai and Mumbai, even at the peak of summer heat, reliability wasn't an issue in terms of electricity
14:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dolemite: I didn't mean 'daily' blackouts
14:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> but they had nationwide, rolling blackouts a few years ago
14:35 <@Dolemite> RangerZ|Laptop: Lane designations painted on roads in India are simply a suggestion, and a waste of perfectly good paint
14:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
14:36 <@Dolemite> But it's absofuckinglutely nuts over there on the roads
14:36 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, my father posted a video on FB of that
14:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> anyways, off to a meeting, later
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14:36 <@Corydon76-work> His driver decided to pass another vehicle...
14:36 <@Dolemite> I would sooner walk blind folded and butt naked into Times Square during Friday afternoon rush hour than to get behind the wheel of a vehicle in India
14:37 <@Corydon76-work> It's one thing to take your own life in your hands, another to take tourists' lives in your hands
14:37 <@Corydon76-work> Dolemite: Well, sure, they drive on the wrong side of the road, there.
14:41 <@Evilpig> does radio shack sell alcohol or am I gonna have to make another stop on the way home?
14:42 <@anarchival> Evilpig: You might be able to buy the parts to build a still there, if you're crafty.
14:43  * Evilpig puts his pants back on
14:47 <@anarchival> I want my callsign so baaaaaaad.
14:48 <@anarchival> Everyone in TeamSpeak is going to have one but me. I feel inferior. :(
14:48 <@Evilpig> better you get used to that feeling now rather than later
14:49 <@anarchival> Evilpig: NEVAR.
14:50 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Believe it or not, there was a time when I looked up to JohnnyX and Dagmar and Maverick and even Rattle as sorcerer demigods.
14:50 <@anarchival> Evilpig: I got over it.
14:50  * anarchival ain't got no time for imposter syndrome.
14:51 <@Dolemite> anarchival: Have we ever met?
14:51 <@anarchival> Dolemite: It's possible. I remember faces much better than I do names, so if I saw you again I'd probably be like, "Aha!"
14:52 <@Dolemite> Did you go to PN5 -> PN0x0b?
14:52 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: when did you take your test?
14:52 <@anarchival> Dolemite: Which year was that?
14:53 <@Dolemite> 2000-2006?
14:53 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: The ham test?
14:53 <@Corydon76-work> Correct
14:53 <@Dolemite> Mmmm...  ham....
14:53 <@anarchival> Dolemite: The last time I went to PN was 2000 or 2001.
14:54 <@Dolemite> Well I was running it in 2001 and helping in 2000
14:54 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: last Saturday. I didn't pass. Then again, I only studied the day beforehand so I didn't really expect to.
14:54 <@Dolemite> But definitely at the Nash 2600 meetings both years
14:54 <@anarchival> Dolemite: Yeah, we've met. I looked about twelve years old then, though.
14:54 <@Corydon76-work> When I got mine, I crammed for 3 days with Nashville RATS
14:55 <@anarchival> My first 2600 meeting, we met at a picnic table at Bongo Java. I wore my St. Cecilia uniform.
14:55 <@Corydon76-work> They do handouts, where they say "Literally every sentence on this page is a test question"
14:55 <@anarchival> In retrospect, all you dudes acted pretty freaked out by me. So at least that much hasn't changed. ;)
14:56 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yeah, I've got the test banks and some study guides. I just need to study before I take it again, which I'm doing.
14:56 <@Corydon76-work> I'd suggest one of the cram sessions, since it worked for me
14:57 <@Corydon76-work> I need to reassemble my 50w radio and start using it again
14:57 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: northrup and I met to study together last night, but we ended up not studying, partly because he can't take the test until March.
14:57 <@Corydon76-work> Why can't he take the test until March?
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14:58 <@Dolemite> anarchival: I remember antimony and Radiogrrl and Alison Randal.  Not many other females from that time period, though.
14:58 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: His work schedule, primarily. Also that test is in Nashville instead of an outlying county, so it's more convenient.
14:58 <@Dolemite> Er, 'scuse me, BIGal, who we always called biGAL.
14:58 <@Corydon76-work> There are tests that occur nearly every weekend
14:58 <@anarchival> Dolemite: I have the power of invisibility. Seriously. It's one of my greatest assets.
14:59 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: which county?
14:59 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Andrew and I might be going to the one in Lebanon on the 26th, since he still wants to get his Extra.
14:59 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: David said something about not being able to test me again in Murfreesboro, since we're doing some other stuff together, which makes me sad. I liked those guys.
15:00 <@Corydon76-work> David Wilson?
15:00 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yessir.
15:00 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, he's a good guy to know
15:00 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I am excessively fond of him, yes.
15:00 <@Corydon76-work> I should cram for the general
15:00 <@anarchival> ...and now for the SDR show!
15:01 <@Corydon76-work> I still only have my Tech
15:01 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: If you want to study together, I'm game.
15:02 <@Corydon76-work> You'd be studying for Tech, though
15:02 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I'm studying for all of them. I'm hoping to knock out Tech and General on my next try.
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15:03 <@Corydon76-work> While that's an admirable goal, I'd suggest concentrating on just one of them and ensuring that you pass it
15:03 <@anarchival> No one is on the SDR server. Heh.
15:03 <@anarchival> I was hoping nobody would show up...
15:03 <@Corydon76-work> As you've noted, multiple choice is a lot more difficult if you haven't studied
15:04 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I was pretty close on the Tech. If I'd just read a few more pages further, I would have passed.
15:27 <@Dolemite> Go home time.  Later, kids!
15:27 <@Corydon76-work> Maybe.  I just bought the study guide, and I'll have a look through it
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15:31 <@Mirage> Has anyone tried running a background instance of Xvfb on a server and then pointing DISPLAY at it to make an application that wants X11, but doesn't actually use it for displaying anything?
15:32 <@Mirage> er, Make an application happy that wants X11 but doesn't use it to display anything.
15:32 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: Yes.  It's how we used to use Gimp to script it
15:32 <@Mirage> Cool.
15:32 <@Corydon76-work> Gimp uses the X11 libraries, even if you run it headless
15:32 <@Corydon76-work> "nohup Xvfb -pixdepths 16 &"
15:33 <@Corydon76-work> That was the usual startup method
15:34 <@Mirage> We have some Java developers that are using some X libraries to generate images to be published by a webapp.  right now Java is bitching because there's no DISPLAY defined, etc
15:34 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, just remember that you have to define it manually, because you're backgrounding X, and nothing is launching "within" its environment
15:35 <@Corydon76-work> Also, X typically is like init, in that on startup, it runs a single script, and expects that script not to exit until you want X to exit
15:36 <@Corydon76-work> so your .xinitrc needs to end with a command that doesn't exit
15:36 <@Corydon76-work> twm, maybe
15:37 <@Corydon76-work> This is from 15 years, ago, though, so the facts may not be exactly where they need to be
15:37 <@Mirage> I was just going to try it by running `Xvfb :0 -screen 1024x768x24 > /tmp/Xvfb.out 2>&1 &` and leaving it running.
15:37 <@Corydon76-work> Don't forget to 'nohup' it
15:38 <@Mirage> Missed a 0 `Xvfb :0 -screen 0 1024x768x24 > /tmp/Xvfb.out 2>&1 &`
15:38 <@Corydon76-work> Or it will exit when you logout
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15:57 <@anarchival> Well, Rick and I had a wonderful chat about Linux and SDR and microprocessors. Next week, maybe there will be more than just us two.
15:58 <@Dagmar> Well, at least no one was talking about BSD
16:09 <@Mirage> Hey!
16:23 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: second quote was $1800, and he sounded like he needed the business, i just need to do my research on his company, reviews, complaints, praise
16:31 <@northrup> ahh.. back to the land of IRC... this whole 'meetings' things really cramps a guys want to not leave his desk.
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16:33 <@Shadow404> northrup: i lock my door when people annoy me and turn the light off
16:33 <@Shadow404> im thinking about adding a shocker to the door handle so they cant just barge in without knocking and me de-activating it
16:35 <@northrup> I like this idea!
16:36 <@Shadow404> i put a sign on my door tuesday that said "Caution: Guards dogs on Premises"
16:36 <@Shadow404> got a few laughs, and actually caused more people to walk in
16:36 <@Shadow404> so was quickly removed
16:42 <@aestetix> penis
16:44 <@Shadow404> as expected
16:49 <@aestetix> you expected penis?
16:49 <@Dagmar> You're not using the right kind of message.
16:49 <@Dagmar> Hang a sock on the doorhandle.
16:50 <@Dagmar> That'll make them think twice.
16:50 <@Dagmar> If they've ever been to college, or seen a movie about college, they'll knock.
16:51 <@anarchival> I thought it was a tie on the door handle? Seems more professional.
16:51 <@northrup> Dagmar: indeed! I like this idea even more... nobody wants to see a geek mid-coitus
16:52 <@northrup> on second thought, that might just be a bigger invite than the dog sign...
16:52 <@anarchival> northrup: Speak for yourself.
16:52 <@northrup> ... everyone wondering if a geek really can get laid
16:53 <@northrup> anarchival: rephrased, there isn't anyone at my work that I'd want to see mid-coitus...
16:54 <@northrup> anarchival: this of course excludes the work at home time, I'd love to see myself mid-coitus
16:54 <@northrup> Heh
16:56 <@anarchival> northrup: You are in a unique position of being able to have sex on your desk, without worrying about co-workers walking in.
16:58  * northrup rubs hands together
16:58 <@northrup> Indeed
16:58 <@northrup> just watched the first episode of Sherlocked S4 today, quite splendid...
16:58 <@Evilpig> 4?
16:59 <@northrup> wait... Season 3
17:03 <@anarchival> I'm watching Rome. Mr. Collins as Cicero is just the best.
17:04 <@northrup> Rome is good, dont' forget about talhotblond, I'm telling you trush is stranger than fiction some times.
17:04 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: ok, 26 minutes and counting
17:05 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: you at work or home?
17:05 <@anarchival> northrup: Oh goodness, I had forgotten about that. *searches*
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17:35 <@brimstone> ... Tall Hot Blonde?
17:39 < RangerZ> does XMPP have  a "+v" type option?
17:39 <@brimstone> for group chats?
17:39 < RangerZ> yeah
17:40 < RangerZ> i'm helping test the star citizen XMPP
17:40 < RangerZ> and social module
17:48 <@northrup> brimstone: talhotblond is a MSNBC Films Doc about an online relationship that goes so very wrong
17:48 <@northrup> brimstone: it's on Netflix
17:49 <@aestetix> https://twitter.com/quinnnorton/status/423945109747814400
17:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / quinnnorton: Ah yes, the Ada Initiative. ... (at twitter.com)
17:50 <@aestetix> http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/01/16/from-wikipedia-poster-woman-to-black-sheep-the-sarah-stierch-story/ relevant link
17:52 <@anarchival> aestetix: Ada Initiative controversy? I immediately visited violetblue's timeline, got the details. ;)
17:53 <@anarchival> Oh sweet Jesus. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/09/fashion/Wikipedia-Judith-Newman.html?_r=0
17:53 <@aestetix> anarchival: yes. Fuck the ada initiative.
17:53 <@aestetix> I'm so sick of them.
17:54 < RangerZ> almost as bad as pyLadies
17:54 < RangerZ> or w/e its called
17:55 < RangerZ> the lady that tweeted two guys pics online before asking them to stop, or asking the organizers
17:55 < RangerZ> that STILL pisses me off
17:55 <@anarchival> aestetix: violetblue has been pretty well persecuted by both Ada and Wikipedia. I can only imagine her sitting in front of her desk right now, eating popcorn.
17:56 <@aestetix> Yep.
17:56 <@aestetix> anarchival: you do NOT piss off Violet Blue
17:57 <@aestetix> But yeah. I wish the Ada Iniatitive would die. They keep causing problems.
17:57 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Yeah, that was just terrible. It was just as bad as dudes posting porn of women online against their consent and those women being driven to suicide by the subsequent stalking.
17:57 <@aestetix> Or at least.... show their financials.
17:57  * anarchival rolls her eyes.
17:57 <@aestetix> Becasue I am not convinced that all the donation money is not going to pay Val's rent.
17:58 <@anarchival> aestetix: They are annoying, but I don't wish they would die.
17:58 < RangerZ> aestetix: you REALLY need to join the ACM
17:58 < RangerZ> its 100$ year
17:58 <@aestetix> RangerZ: why?
17:58 < RangerZ> and LOTS of topics you'd be interested
17:58 < RangerZ> nym rights
17:58 < RangerZ> privacy
17:58 < RangerZ> anomitity
17:58 <@aestetix> .... acm cares about nymrights?
17:58 < RangerZ> yeah
17:58 < RangerZ> TRUST
17:58 < RangerZ> http://www.truststc.org/
17:58 < GateKeeper> Title: The Team for Research in Ubiquitous Secure Technology (at www.truststc.org)
17:58 <@aestetix> anarchival: alternatively, if Val would step down, and AI would focus on positive things, rather than censorship, that works too
17:58 <@anarchival> I thought that was more EFF's game, but the ACM is big enough to have some group dedicated to it.
17:59 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: how do you not freeze on scooter in thiswrsther?
17:59 < RangerZ> they have people looking into what should be allowed for online identities
17:59 < RangerZ> posting online
17:59 < RangerZ> lots of things
17:59 <@aestetix> anarchival: for example, please tell me how the AI does "education", and what qualifies them to do it.
17:59 <@aestetix> All I see the AI do is push their stupid hurtful "anti-harassment" policy, set up booths at conferences, and cause drama.
17:59 <@anarchival> aestetix: What qualifies them to do it? You're making appeals to authority now?
18:00 <@aestetix> anarchival: if they are asking for money, then yes I am.
18:00 <@anarchival> Last I checked, anyone who knew anything at all in tech was qualified to offer free training to others. That's what most hacker groups are really for.
18:00 <@aestetix> If I'm paying for a training, I'd like to know what their qualifications are.
18:00 <@anarchival> I'm not really in the business of defending Ada Initiative. I stopped donating to them after the violetblue fiasco, and they've quickly lost my respect since then.
18:01 <@aestetix> Right.
18:01 <@aestetix> What qualifies Violet Blue to teach sex positive things? I can point to a list of books she's published.
18:01 <@anarchival> But they do things occasionally that are positive, in the sense that they encourage women to gain skill in technology.
18:01 <@aestetix> anarchival: emphasis on occasional.
18:02 <@aestetix> Every time one of these stupid drama things pops up, people say "donate money to the AI!"
18:02 <@aestetix> And yet, I haven't seen where this money goes.
18:02 <@anarchival> There are more than a few bullshit professional associations in technology. I don't think Ada Initiative is necessarily any more corrupt than others.
18:02 <@aestetix> Are those bullshit associations deliberately attacking places to gain attention?
18:02 <@Shadow404> little asain gal on scooter, helmet, and scarf, no gloves, its 38 degrees
18:03 <@anarchival> It would be interesting to see their financials, though, just because the leadership seems so...spotty.
18:03 <@aestetix> Right.
18:03 <@Shadow404> burrr
18:03 <@aestetix> anarchival: here's the thing.
18:03 <@anarchival> aestetix: Well I could cite conference after conference that has acting equally obnoxiously towards women, but then those are always given a pass.
18:03 <@anarchival> Boys will be boys!
18:04 <@aestetix> Does the conference act that way, or is it people within the conference?
18:04 <@anarchival> Seriously, this chauvinist if not misogynist shit has been going on in tech for a very long time. It was no small part of the reason I got out of it years ago.
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18:04 <@aestetix> Not arguing with that. What I am arguing about is the Ada Initiative's methodology.
18:04 < RangerZ2> wow
18:04 < RangerZ2> THUNDERBIRD had IRC built into it....
18:04 <@anarchival> Did you honestly believe that dudes could act like penis-obsessed twelve year olds and there would never be this kind of a backlash?
18:05 <@anarchival> People get what they deserve.
18:05 <@aestetix> anarchival: I refer you to Lysistrata.
18:05 < RangerZ2> like when they are raped for dressing slutty? they deserved it?
18:05 <@anarchival> You can either get out ahead of bullshit like that, and handle it maturely, or else you're going to have bullshit overreactions in the heat of controversy.
18:05 < RangerZ2> obviously thats a false dichotomy , and a red herring, but still, lets not say people "deserve" things
18:05 < RangerZ2> other than spammers
18:05 <@aestetix> anarchival: I agree, there are some really fucked up things in our culture. However, censorship and public shaming is not the way to solve it.
18:06 <@aestetix> It's also not just all about women.
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18:06 < RangerZ2> people who hurt animals for fun, people who hurt childen for fun, and people who hurt their family, they deserve things, but otherwise...
18:07 < RangerZ2> just saying dick jokes is low ball stuff
18:07 <@anarchival> RangerZ2: People who are assholes to other people in any context have got it coming. If that makes you uncomfortable, that's too bad.
18:07 < RangerZ2> I'm not uncomfortable, I'm sitting here naked very comfortable
18:07 <@anarchival> aestetix: Feminism isn't all about women, which is a point lost on many people both outside of and within feminism.
18:07 < RangerZ2> thank you for caring though
18:08 <@anarchival> aestetix: Censorship and shaming, without fail, are weapons that are ultimately turned against women.
18:08 <@aestetix> anarchival: you've seen the Ada Initiative's website? And all the examples they list?
18:08 < RangerZ2> I'm a 3rd generation feminist (if thats the right term) I believe women should be treated equally, and should be asked the same as of men
18:08 < RangerZ2> 3rd wave...might be right
18:08 < RangerZ2> yes, 3rd wave
18:08 <@aestetix> anarchival: actually, the Ada Initiative is doing a damned good job of shaming any male who tries to criticize them right now.
18:09 <@anarchival> aestetix: That's the real reason I oppose them; Ada Initiative is normalizing a methodology that will eventually be used to censor the very people they are supposedly trying to protect.
18:09 <@aestetix> They're using censorship and shaming as a methodology, period. Of course it'll be used against them at some point.
18:09 <@anarchival> aestetix: Like I said, it's a backlash. Women have been told to grow a thicker skin and keep quiet and put up with it for years.
18:09 <@anarchival> aestetix: The inevitable result of that sort of culture is a bunch of really pissed off women who are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.
18:10 <@aestetix> So the appropriate response is to censor me?
18:10 <@anarchival> aestetix: Really, men have been characterizing feminists as feminazi man-haters out to kill every male for years.
18:10 <@aestetix> Uh, no.
18:10 <@anarchival> aestetix: Now, you'll get to see what that actually looks like.
18:10 <@aestetix> Rush Limbaugh has.
18:10 <@aestetix> anarchival: why are you reflecting something on me that I haven't done?
18:11 <@aestetix> You're punishing me for someone else's offense.
18:11 <@anarchival> aestetix: If you're going to have a bad reputation, you should at least have the fun of earning it.
18:11 <@anarchival> aestetix: How am I punishing you? We're having a conversation.
18:11  * anarchival looks around, seems to have misplaced her whip, feels confused.
18:12 <@Dagmar> Do you not recall me saying something about _making enemies of those who would otherwise be your ally_?
18:12 <@Dagmar> That's it, right there.
18:12 <@aestetix> So, some douchebag comes along, the Ada Initiative gets mad, and proceeds to create an environment where if *I* say something, I am accused of being a douchebag.
18:12 <@aestetix> That's why I tell them to go fuck themselves.
18:12 <@Dagmar> Claiming "most men think feminists are man-haters" is a real good way to go about that, because it's very much _not true_.
18:12 <@anarchival> aestetix: Have you considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, sometimes, completely without intention, you do in fact act like a douchebag?
18:13 <@Dagmar> ...and it's just insulting as hell to those of us who aren't misogynist jerks.
18:13 <@Dagmar> ...which is actually _most of us_.
18:13 <@aestetix> anarchival: everyone does. Does that mean it's grounds for public shaming and censorship?
18:13 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Yeah, I guess I'll just ignore all the shit you guys said during my first couple weeks in this channel.
18:13 <@Dagmar> You say worse shit *daily*.
18:13 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Because y'all were just kidding then? It's so hard to tell which is what you really believe...
18:14 <@anarchival> aestetix: Of course not. How many times do I have to say I don't agree with Ada Initiative's tactics?
18:14 <@Dagmar> How about trying to start with a baseline of that we're actually reasonable people.
18:14 <@anarchival> aestetix: I am trying to explain to you how we got here, and where they're coming from.
18:14 <@aestetix> anarchival: and yet her you are, basically telling me I have to take it.
18:14 <@aestetix> here you*
18:14 <@aestetix> anarchival: it sounds like you're trying to justify what they are doing.
18:15 <@Dagmar> We *know* how we got here.
18:15 <@anarchival> aestetix: I'm not telling you you have to take it. I'm telling you their motivations, because in my experience knowing where a person is coming from helps me to have empathy and approach them in a more constructive way.
18:15 <@anarchival> aestetix: More constructive than, say, "I wish they would die."
18:15 <@Dagmar> THe assumption that all men, or at least most men, are misogynist douchebags.
18:15 <@aestetix> I know quite well where they come from, but I disagree with them nonetheless.
18:16 <@aestetix> anarchival: saying "I wish they would die" in a private channel is the natural result of being censored from saying what I actually would like to for fear of public shaming.
18:16 <@anarchival> Dagmar: You've been acting like a reasonable person towards me for about two days. We're both in the process of building trust.
18:17 <@anarchival> aestetix: What on Earth do you not want to say for fear of shaming?
18:17 <@aestetix> Simple words: "I disagree."
18:17 <@anarchival> aestetix: And how on Earth is doubling down by calling for violence to be done to them going to improve the situation?
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18:17 <@aestetix> I think you're missing metaphors somewhere here.
18:18 <@anarchival> aestetix: Lookit- if you get shamed by feminists for saying that, tell me.
18:18 <@aestetix> It has happened before.
18:18 <@anarchival> aestetix: I will rain holy fury down on them. You haven't really seen me in action. Trust me, I can make good on that.
18:18 <@aestetix> anarchival: especially in the bay area, do you realize how fast they pull the privilege card?
18:18 <@Dagmar> So again, there you go.  You're talking about "building trust".  The world is a much calmer place when you give people the benefit of the doubt.
18:19 <@Dagmar> Why can't you just assume people are basically reasonable until shown indisputably otherwise?
18:19 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Trust is earned. Giving people the benefit of the doubt is something people who are looking for a gimp ask for.
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18:19 <@Dagmar> That's a fundamentally asocial viewpoint.
18:19 <@aestetix> anarchival: you've read Atlas Shrugged too recently, apparently.
18:19 <@anarchival> Dagmar: It's a lesson I've learned from long experience.
18:20 <@anarchival> Socrates had some insightful things to say on how we become misanthropes.
18:20 <@Dagmar> The lessons I've learned from long experience is that I can give people _blind trust_, without requiring "proof", up front, when I have little to lose if I'm wrong.
18:20 <@anarchival> aestetix: Not since high school, no. I fucking can't stand Ayn Rand.
18:21 <@anarchival> aestetix: You live in an entirely different culture in SF than I do here. Really, we should probably trade places. ;)
18:21 <@Dagmar> ...and there's very little to lose generally from just assuming people are reasonable.
18:21 <@aestetix> anarchival: this place would drive you insane.
18:21 <@Dagmar> Big shit like car loans, crime, long projects, those are things some level of trust is required for.
18:22 <@anarchival> Dagmar: There is a helluva lot to lose from assuming people are reasonable.
18:22 <@Dagmar> anarchival: You'd be walking the streets with a broadaxe
18:22 <@Dagmar> I know I was close to it from some of the twittery in San Fran.
18:22 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I just carry a knife. Broadaxes are heavy, and illegal.
18:22 <@Dagmar> THen again, I take comfort in the fact that I can crush those people on demand, so I don't have to care if they're twits or not.  They pose no real threat to me.
18:22 <@anarchival> aestetix: Yeah, I've visited. I decided I probably couldn't live there.
18:23 <@aestetix> ok afk
18:23 <@opticron> why is carrying a broadaxe illegal?
18:23 <@anarchival> Dagmar: There are different forms of trust. Most business is based on trust in other people's self-interest, not in their altruism.
18:24 <@Dagmar> Social contracts are not business contracts.
18:24 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Yes, exactly.
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18:26 <@anarchival> Ah, there's the quote from Phaedo: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110908194449AAD6f00
18:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Socrates, Aristotle, and misanthropy? - Yahoo Answers (at answers.yahoo.com)
18:27 <@anarchival> I find it very peculiar how people feel criticism is some sort of punishment.
18:28 <@Dagmar> It is when it's an insult.
18:28 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I get the sense that men think any accusation that their behavior isn't totally charming to be an insult.
18:29 <@anarchival> You'd think that socially awkward people would be happy to receive the feedback, as opposed to just being dismissed and avoided.
18:29 <@Dagmar> You were _just_ talking about how "most men" are this that and the other.  How are we _not_ supposed to take that as an insult?
18:30 <@anarchival> Dagmar: It's pretty obvious that I am speaking to my own personal experience. I'm also not saying "all men," so that leaves enough room for you to reasonably suppose I'm not talking about you.
18:30 <@anarchival> Dagmar: (you may have also noticed that when I am talking about you, I'll let you know. I prefer to stab people in the front. Golden Rule.)
18:31 <@Dagmar> Got news for you.  When you say "most men" in a group of men, you've just stated there's a better than 50% chance you feel your statement applies to present company.
18:31 <@Dagmar> English is funny like that.
18:32 <@Evilpig> lol.  gg windows.  windows 7 cannot run a 16bit app
18:33 <@anarchival> Dagmar: It amuses me how you guys think you could obnoxiously troll me and that I wouldn't form a poor opinion of you based on that experience.
18:33 <@Dagmar> Trolling is a thing we don't generally do here.
18:33 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Well sure, you were perfectly serious in your obnoxious behavior. I get that.
18:33 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: some in here do it regularly
18:33 <@Dagmar> We might be sarcastic, but we're not generally in the habit of trying to be dicks to people here "for teh lulz"
18:33 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: And I chew their asses when they get out of control
18:35 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Yeah, I feel bathed in your warm protection.
18:35  * anarchival can take care of herself, thankyouverymuch.
18:36 <@Dagmar> Wonderful.  Bitch about things and blame the unrelated.
18:36 <@Dagmar> Good plan.
18:36 <@NotLarry>  Evilpig ok, interview is over.
18:36 <@Evilpig> an hour.  good deal
18:36 <@NotLarry> We have to get a roasting box and make him bbq.
18:36  * anarchival wishes NotLarry good luck.
18:36 <@Evilpig> we can work something out on that
18:37 <@Evilpig> a couple of his phoners lasted less than 30 minutes so if you made it to an hour I'd say you did fine.
18:38 <@Evilpig> okay.  I'm gonna go take my hosting, windows, firewall, and vm servers offline so I can update the bios and upgrade the processor.  hopefully I don't fuck this up
18:43 <@Evilpig> Muhahahaha dolemite is in the middle of getting miyazaki stuff.
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19:50 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: ping
19:50 <@Evilpig> let me know here if that freaks out
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20:01 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: grrr, what happened, need a full RFO
20:02 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: did you see my message abotu the scooter i saw tonight?
20:04 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: pong
20:04 <@NotLarry> looking fine
20:05 <@Evilpig> still smooth?
20:05 <@NotLarry> have yet to buffer
20:05 <@Shadow404> what happened?
20:05 <@Evilpig> I told you motherfucker
20:05 <@Evilpig> new processor,
20:05 <@NotLarry> nice
20:05 <@Shadow404> what? oh coolness
20:05 <@Shadow404> so now i can run heavier scripts?
20:05 <@Shadow404> woot
20:06 <@Shadow404> gonna get some major points on Seti@Home with that new processor
20:07 <@NotLarry> I need a coder for a new project
20:07 <@NotLarry> There is no pay and the job satisfaction sucks.  Oh and you can never tell anyone what you did.
20:07 <@Shadow404> 10 Label Start; 20 Print "Hello NotLarry"; 30 GOTO 10; END;
20:08 <@Shadow404> Im availale for hire (completely sarcastic)
20:08 <@Shadow404> ....(also a tad drunk)
20:08 <@NotLarry> with those 1337 coding skills I can see why you're available..
20:08 <@Shadow404> hehehe
20:09 <@NotLarry> that runs nicely in my qbasic window thank you
20:09 <@NotLarry> A little processor intensive, maybe if we rewrite it in asw
20:10 <@NotLarry> Could actually just poke it into the gpu and let the system work it out.
20:10 <@Shadow404> hehe
20:10 <@NotLarry> beer run or no...
20:11 <@Shadow404> yes, as long as your still sober
20:11 <@Shadow404> or just homebrew and always have spare on hand
20:11 <@NotLarry> I took the morning off sick.  I think I had a case of the "don't fucking want to be here today".
20:11 <@NotLarry> Thats what I told them too.
20:12 <@NotLarry> That was right after I said my face hurt and Titus said "I'm not surprised."
20:12 <@NotLarry> now I want to pick up an adam
20:13  * RangerZ picked the wrong time to come back
20:13  * RangerZ and find out that NotLarry is looking to join Corydon76-work
20:13 <@Shadow404> lawl
20:14 <@aestetix> vagina
20:14 <@Shadow404> alcohol would be a Perquisite
20:14 <@Shadow404> aestetix: why not ass?
20:14 <@Shadow404> why you neglect that?
20:14 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: You know that adam4adam.com exists, right?
20:15 <@Evilpig> woot.  my plex issues are gone for a while
20:15 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: woot, thats exciting
20:15 < RangerZ> no
20:15 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: you should check it out
20:15 <@Evilpig> I have three 720p streams going and all are smooth right now
20:16 < RangerZ> yeah, thats alright, i opened it in incognito chrome
20:16 < RangerZ> to check
20:16 < RangerZ> its what i figured
20:18 <@NotLarry> A colecovision adam.  Wow you went straight to the butt sex?
20:19 <@Shadow404> do you expect less of #se2600?
20:23 <@aestetix> Shadow404: talk to Corydon76-work about that
20:23 <@Shadow404> pass
20:23 <@Corydon76-work> I expect Shadow404 to bend over and take it like a man.
20:23 <@Shadow404> for mistress sure
20:24 < RangerZ> mistress peaches apparently
20:24 <@Shadow404> eww
20:24 <@Shadow404> speaking of last weekend, ms ann.....mmm
20:27 < RangerZ> Dagmar: Evilpig, so apparently steetpass is going to increase to 6 people per zone
20:27 < RangerZ> not just 1
20:27 < RangerZ> in NA
20:32 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6er6u5j4ltv0bef/kcHQbGCelD
20:32 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - Thursday, Jan 16 (at www.dropbox.com)
20:32 <@Evilpig> server was just a little gross
20:32 < RangerZ> just a little
20:32 < RangerZ> did you pull the whole-live-cat out form there?
20:35 <@Evilpig> yup
20:35 <@Evilpig> completely de-fur'd
20:36 < RangerZ> Evilpig: did you see the 6 streetpass thing
20:36 < RangerZ> apparently its set to drop at any point, when they just flip a switch on the servers
20:37 < RangerZ> i wonder if they will block homepass
20:39 <@Evilpig> huh?  about why it's limited to 6?
20:39 < RangerZ> so you'll get 6 per zone
20:39 < RangerZ> and cap at 10 still
20:39 < RangerZ> honestly the 10 cap is the real issue for 'us' now, lol
20:40 <@Evilpig> going to heat up my dinner now that i'm done with this server stuff.
20:48 <@anarchival> Evilpig: I had a steak for dinner. It was everything I hoped it would be.
20:49 <@aestetix> penis
20:49 <@aestetix> also, in honor of Shadow404: anal
20:50 <@anarchival>  aestetix: Does anal assume a penis?
20:51 <@aestetix> uh
20:51 <@aestetix> sure why not
20:52 <@anarchival>  aestetix: amateurs
20:53 < RangerZ> ignoring non-usb dongles
20:53 < RangerZ> and rim jobs
20:54 <@Evilpig> anarchival: anytime dinner doesn't involve me it's sadly lacking in being everything you could hope for
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21:09 < RangerZ> interesting
21:09 < RangerZ> i never realized that ubuntu just 'took away' hibernate
21:09 < RangerZ> i always just thought it was my work laptop
21:10 < RangerZ> apparently you can test it, and just re-enable it
21:15 <@aestetix> ok so
21:15 <@aestetix> what the fuck
21:16 < RangerZ> ?
21:16 <@aestetix> Obama released his plan for dealing with the NSA issues today
21:16 <@aestetix> Why can't I find it on CNN
21:16 < RangerZ> tomorrow
21:16 < RangerZ> not today
21:16 <@aestetix> oh
21:16 <@aestetix> that would be why
21:16 < RangerZ> plus it has a National Security Letter protecting it
21:16 < RangerZ> ;)
21:16 <@aestetix> lol
21:21 < RangerZ> the UNANIMOUS 46 points of agreement between the experts that were both party, that got agreed to and apointted by obama
21:21 <@anarchival> "You won't turn to drink, will you? Stoic types often do, when disappointed in life."
21:21 < RangerZ> i would be surprised if all 46 aren't fully accepted
21:21 <@anarchival> Marc Anthony, in a rare and uncharacteristic moment of wisdom
21:22 <@Evilpig> haha.  twitter is stupid and instagram is twitter for people that can't read
21:22 < RangerZ> hehe
21:22 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Looking forward to seeing what inconsequential busy-work the federal government will propose in order to DO SOMETHING without actually doing anything.
21:22 <@anarchival> Change.
21:22 <@anarchival> Hope.
21:22 <@anarchival> Disillusionment.
21:22 <@anarchival> Disappointment.
21:22 < RangerZ> tumblr is instagram for people who too lazy to search for themselves?
21:22 <@anarchival> Bitterness.
21:22 <@anarchival> Betrayal.
21:23 < RangerZ> i'm an eternal optimist
21:23 < RangerZ> otherwise I would go out and pull a Judge Dredd on congress
21:24 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Congress? Buffoonery.
21:24 < RangerZ> also... i'm sure i'm the last person in nashville to hear about this... but the AMP bus project on west end... wow
21:24 < RangerZ> cut out 1 lane from each direction AND the turning lane
21:24 < RangerZ> AND cut out some normal buses
21:25 < RangerZ> just fucking make the far right on each side BUS ONLY
21:25 < RangerZ> and be done with it
21:25 < RangerZ> and make the buses run ever 7 min
21:25 < RangerZ> like berkeley
21:30 <@Evilpig> apparently they had a wine tasting at the NYC office tonight
21:32 <@anarchival> Evilpig: My grandma does those at her office, too. It's a car dealership.
21:33 <@Evilpig> I don't think your granny does it quite liek this though...
21:33 <@Evilpig> "Help Megan and I try some fancy boxed wine! There are two boxes (equivalent of 8 bottles!) coming our way in a mere 40 minutes.
21:33 <@Evilpig> http://www.publichousewine.com/"
21:34 <@anarchival> Evilpig: That looks like a good time.
21:37 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Basically, Nashville is getting some mass transit whether they like it or not
21:37 <@Dagmar> There pretty much is *no* other option
21:38 <@Dagmar> We can't run a subway because limestone
21:38 < RangerZ> its NOT mass transit though
21:38 < RangerZ> its just more buses, in badly designed lanes
21:38 < RangerZ> but LESS normal buses
21:38 < RangerZ> just put MORE normal buses out there, and put more stops out farther from downtown... you know... near apartments and where people live
21:39 <@anarchival> RangerZ: I vote bringing back the trolley cars. My great-grandfather was a trolley car conductor until those rat bastards did away with them and plunged us into this Dark Age.
21:39 < RangerZ> prtty much
21:39 <@Dagmar> THeyv'e actually been building apartments on both ends of that thing
21:39 <@Dagmar> They'll need to get this bit running before they can expand it
21:40 < RangerZ> but fucking killing the TURNING lane on west end
21:40 <@anarchival> RangerZ: The #5 currently takes about an hour and half to get downtown, runs from Bellevue about once an hour.
21:40 < RangerZ> is fucking retarded
21:40 <@anarchival> RangerZ: The Amp will be a significant improvement.
21:40 < RangerZ> so?
21:40 < RangerZ> for _that_ bus ride
21:40 < RangerZ> why not improve ALL busses
21:40 < RangerZ> i'm ALL for 2 bus lanes
21:40 <@Dagmar> Because our city is laid out like crap
21:40 <@Dagmar> It's sprawl as far as the eye can see
21:41 <@anarchival> RangerZ: There are at least three buses that follow West End, the #5 is only one of them.
21:41 <@anarchival> RangerZ: And they are always, always busy. So there is some efficiency involved. Nowhere else in town runs that many routes.
21:41 < RangerZ> i know, i ride the bus
21:41 < RangerZ> b/c its free as a vandy employee/student
21:41 <@anarchival> Nashville was designed for public transit. They did away with the trolley cars and didn't adequately replace them. Thus, chaos.
21:41 < RangerZ> which is why I say add buses
21:41 < RangerZ> ^
21:42 < RangerZ> but not destroy the turning lane on west end
21:42 < RangerZ> make the far right lanes bus only
21:42 < RangerZ> Q.E.D.
21:42 <@anarchival> RangerZ: I agree with you, I'm just arguing that the Amp does potentially make MTA significantly more efficient.
21:42 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Thus freeing up resources to add more routes in other areas.
21:42 < RangerZ> awww, thats cute
21:43 < RangerZ> she thinks that might actually happen
21:43 <@anarchival> RangerZ: I am, occasionally, an optimist. ;)
21:43 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Also I've been working closely with the city on transportation issues through the Brigade, so I know there are people in authority who are very serious about addressing the problem.
21:44 <@anarchival> RangerZ: MTA is, frankly, under-funded. It's also a political clusterfuck, administratively speaking.
21:44 < RangerZ> of course it is
21:44 < RangerZ> because blacks use it mostly
21:44 <@anarchival> RangerZ: But these are surmountable problems if the right people start taking them seriously.
21:44 < RangerZ> after the buses were integrated, the whites in the south especially (but nationally as a whole) stopped using the bus as much
21:45 <@anarchival> RangerZ: I used to take the #1 (Vine Hill) to law school two or three nights a week.
21:45 < RangerZ> i have to walk 1m to the closest bus stop
21:45 <@anarchival> RangerZ: The first few times I rode, my fellow passengers looked at me, and then each other, like "what the fuck is this white girl doing here? she lost?"
21:45 < RangerZ> and that closes down at 5pm near my apt
21:45 <@anarchival> RangerZ: But then they got used to me being there, and we were friends.
21:45 < RangerZ> and walk 1.5m with NO sidewalk around bends w/forest , after that
21:45 <@anarchival> RangerZ: And that's how I learned the true meaning of Christmas.
21:45 < RangerZ> and thats BS
21:46 <@anarchival> RangerZ: As someone who doesn't drive, I feel your pain.
21:46 < RangerZ> i drive, its just cheaper to ride the bus
21:46 < RangerZ> <3 vandy paying
21:47 <@anarchival> anarchival: When the Scene recently ran that story on the absurdities of MTA snow routes being published in PDF or on their phone system, I outright offered to fix it for them as the Brigade leader.
21:47 <@anarchival> Umm...not talking to myself? Sorry.
21:47 <@anarchival> Anyway...crickets.
21:48 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Yeah, I used to have a government-employee bus pass when I worked downtown. I still miss that shit.
21:48 < RangerZ> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy&l=1
21:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Let me google that for you (at lmgtfy.com)
21:48 < RangerZ> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Flmgtfy.com%2F%3Fq%3Dlmgtfy%26l%3D1&l=1
21:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Let me google that for you (at lmgtfy.com)
21:48 < RangerZ> fuck MTA makes WRTA look fucking like a limo service
21:49 < RangerZ> let alone BART
21:49 <@anarchival> but these are NOT insurmountable problems
21:49 < RangerZ> and berkeley's bues
21:49 < RangerZ> buses
21:49 <@anarchival> fuck, I should stop sipping this bourbon if I'm going to discuss public transit
21:49 < RangerZ> .s/if I'm going to discuss public transit/" \n "
21:50 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Their public transit system is one of the reasons I fell head over heels in love with Boston while I was there.
21:50 <@anarchival> RangerZ: And Bostonians tend to complain about their public transit. Which makes me want to slap them around. But still.
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21:59 <@Evilpig> http://kickass.to/the-fifth-estate-2013-brrip-xvid-no1knows-t8545506.html
22:01 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Hmm. Tempting. Have you seen it? Are there any rape scenes?
22:02 <@eryc> only bro rape
22:02 < Warcop> https://iptorrents.com/details.php?id=999795 more better
22:02 < GateKeeper> Title: IPT (at iptorrents.com)
22:03 <@eryc> whats that
22:03 <@eryc> oh, that movie
22:03 < Warcop> the full bluray
22:03 <@eryc> why wouldnt you just http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/9467558/The_Fifth_Estate_(2013)_1080p_BrRip_x264_-_YIFY
22:04 < GateKeeper> Title: The Fifth Estate (2013) 1080p BrRip x264 - YIFY (download torrent) - TPB (at thepiratebay.se)
22:04  * eryc clicks
22:13 <@eryc> so when's the edward snowden movie due to be released
22:14 < RangerZ> National Security Letter protects that
22:14 < RangerZ> since they confiscated it
22:14 < RangerZ> -_-
22:14 < RangerZ> lol
22:16 <@anarchival> Who would play him?
22:18 <@anarchival> No, No, Hmm Maybe, No, Interesting... http://www.eonline.com/news/433635/edward-snowden-5-actors-who-could-play-the-nsa-leaker
22:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Edward Snowden: 5 Actors Who Could Play the NSA Leaker | E! Online (at www.eonline.com)
22:19 <@anarchival> I vote John Cusack.
22:20 <@anarchival> http://boingboing.net/2013/09/04/john-cusack-in-hacker-land.html
22:20 < GateKeeper> Title: John Cusack in hacker-land - Boing Boing (at boingboing.net)
22:21 <@anarchival> Popcorn!
22:28 <@anarchival> Cleopatra is a snake. As befits a Greek.
22:29 <@anarchival> But she has poor aim.
22:32 <@northrup> Ohhh... The Fifth Estate...
22:33 <@anarchival> northrup: Evilpig's torrent was wicked fast, it's already downloaded.
22:34 <@anarchival> And I was doing so well at paying for things. Sigh.
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22:41 <@eryc> thieves
22:42 <@northrup> is it stealing if you're stealing a movie about a guy who steals?
22:42 <@northrup> maybe there's enough wrongs to make a right... ot a least a really interesting diagram
22:43 <@Dagmar> Mainly I think it depends if you're stealing a movie about Shia LeBouf
22:43 <@northrup> Sweet Jebus... I love transformers, but I'm not sure why anyone would steel a movie about Shia LeBouf
22:44 <@eryc> his biography was a best seller
22:46 <@Dagmar> Before or after he plagiarized it?
22:46 <@anarchival> Lucius Vorenus is Sgt. Evans and Titus Pullo is Adam Eisenmenger.
22:47 <@anarchival> I hope Sgt. Evans is not in a terrible amount of pain, wherever he is. :/
22:47 <@anarchival> I have never liked Shia LeBouef and frankly resent the fact he ruined Transformers for me.
22:48 <@anarchival> They couldn't have found a better/sexier actor for that franchise? Really, Hollywood? Really?
22:48 <@eryc> you really think he ruined it?
22:48 <@anarchival> In the words of weev: Fucking Jews.
22:48 <@eryc> those movies were horrible
22:48 <@eryc> fuck weev
22:48 <@anarchival> eryc: He did for me. I truly can't stand the guy, and I probably would have enjoyed the movies if he wasn't in them.
22:49 <@anarchival> eryc: I have a high tolerance threshold for stupid action movies, particularly stupid action movies about my childhood toys.
22:49 <@anarchival> eryc: Also, trolls.
22:50 <@northrup> Ehh, the movies weren't the worst thing that I've seen... then again, having watched the cartoon Peter Cullen's voice was a welcomed part of the movie
22:50 <@anarchival> eryc: Then again, it was always inevitable I would end up in an unfulfilled romance with a prisoner. Just a matter of time. At least it was with a hacker.
22:50 <@anarchival> FREE MITNICK.
22:51 <@eryc> you're dating weev?
22:51 <@eryc> does he know that yet
22:52 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I'm sorry, were you watching an action movie expecting to see good acting?
22:52 <@anarchival> eryc: Yes. I am one of his women. He has invited me into his harem, once he is freed.
22:52 <@Corydon76-work> You'd think "Terminator" would have robbed you of that illusion.
22:52 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: No, just sexy man candy. You of all people can sympathize.
22:53 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: But Terminator was actually a good movie.
22:53 <@Corydon76-work> Terminator was a good movie, because they cast the horrible actor as a machine.
22:54 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: lol. Touche.
22:54 <@anarchival> eryc: Someday, someday, I am going to be invited into a relationship that is not polygamous. A girl can dream.
22:55 <@Corydon76-work> For that matter, "Star Trek: The Motion Picture".  A pretty horrible actor had the lead role.
22:55 <@Corydon76-work> And that was a pretty darn good movie
22:56 <@Corydon76-work> And Shatner is far from sexy man candy
22:56 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I can't stand Captain Kirk. Chris Pine has brought me closer to liking him than I've ever gotten. Because...yum.
22:56 <@anarchival> The sneakers are my favorite part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ
22:56 < GateKeeper> Title: Shatner Of The Mount by Fall On Your Sword - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:57 <@Corydon76-work> In terms of young actors, I agree that I'd rather watch Joseph Gordon-Levitt than Shia LaBoefe
22:57 <@anarchival> This is fucking brilliant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0
22:57 < GateKeeper> Title: William Shatner - Common People - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:57 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yea, verily. Amen.
22:58 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370986/
22:58 < GateKeeper> Title: Mysterious Skin (2004) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
22:58 <@Corydon76-work> I got to see that at The Belcourt
22:58 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Nice! I don't get to Belcourt enough.
22:59 <@Corydon76-work> That was a truly disturbing film
22:59 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Actually, when I went to the movies with Ben and what's his name after 2600, that's the first time I'd been to the theater in a year.
22:59 <@Corydon76-work> Good, but disturbing.
22:59 <@anarchival> I'm so pathetic.
22:59 <@Corydon76-work> The $2 movie theater in HH has allowed me to see a good number of movies more recently
23:00 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I didn't get to see Avengers in the theater. It still makes me sad.
23:00 <@Evilpig> I miss my movie nights with 2600
23:00 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Speaking of stupid action movies, that's the shit you should see in the theater...
23:01 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Nashville has many charms, does it not?
23:01 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, and here's your man candy:  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0255175/?ref_=tt_cl_t1
23:01 < GateKeeper> Title: Chase Ellison - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
23:01 <@eryc> vagina
23:02 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Ugh. I don't like little boys. Especially little blonde boys. Reminds me of my Dad and little brothers.
23:02 <@Evilpig> anarchival: nashville has many nice things. and many shitty things too.  where shoudl I send your shipping crate to?  i'll even spring for overnight shipping
23:02 <@eryc> whats in the crate?
23:02 <@Corydon76-work> Would you prefer the villain of Mysterious Skin?  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0756083/?ref_=tt_cl_t8
23:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Bill Sage - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
23:03 <@Evilpig> a water bottle and a pillow
23:03 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Did you know I posted my actual physical address in this channel just a few days ago? True story.
23:03 <@Evilpig> I'm not bothering to check the logs
23:03 <@Evilpig> and you know I have them
23:03 <@anarchival> Evilpig: But seriously, even you with all your charms could not get me to New Jersey.
23:04 <@anarchival> Evilpig: It was a domain, actually.
23:04 <@eryc> skydogconman or something
23:04 <@anarchival> namecheap didn't put the whois protection on it the way they were supposed to
23:04 <@Corydon76-work> What about the trunk of his car?  Could that get you to New Jersey?
23:04 <@anarchival> all protected now, suckers!
23:04  * eryc checks the whois wayback machine
23:04 <@anarchival> Of all the domains over all the years...and my one slip-up was here
23:05 <@anarchival> and only one of you caught it...I'm disappointed, you guys. You're slowing down in your old age.
23:05  * anarchival cleans her guns anyway, just in case
23:05 <@Evilpig> anarchival: I can get a ton of people to follow me here for this.  https://www.dropbox.com/sc/uamxg6f4gcjumhz/yifOS9Y218
23:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - Friday, Dec 20, 2013 (at www.dropbox.com)
23:05 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Actually, that should be comforting to know that only one of us is stalking you.
23:05 <@anarchival> Evilpig: nice steak
23:05 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: "only"
23:06 <@Corydon76-work> So which one was it?
23:06 <@Evilpig> damn right it was nice.  24oz medium rare.  fuck yeah
23:06 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: yeah he gave me 24 hours to fix it, and reassured me he archived it anyway
23:06 <@sdodson> That's medium rare?
23:06 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Never mind. I know that he knows. Which was his first mistake.
23:06 <@Evilpig> closer to medium but year
23:06 <@Evilpig> yeah
23:06 <@eryc> yarrr
23:06 <@sdodson> http://wunc.org/post/video-whats-inside-house-wade-avenue  is really cool
23:06 < GateKeeper> Title: VIDEO: Whats Inside This House On Wade Avenue? | WUNC (at wunc.org)
23:07 <@anarchival> Anything more cooked than medium rare is for sissies.
23:08 <@Evilpig> why the heck woudl you get skydoganything?  if you want the best domain to fuck with him I already have skydickcon.com
23:08 <@Evilpig> I need to fix that proxy again.
23:08 <@anarchival> Sure, but skydogconman is more clever.
23:08 <@anarchival> Not that that's not an excellent domain.
23:09 <@anarchival> Evilpig: We should collaborate.
23:09 <@Evilpig> sheeeeet.  like I need help to piss him off.
23:09 <@Evilpig> I actually got his dumbass to block tor
23:09 <@anarchival> BTW, did anyone bring that whole trademark violation to the attention of the appropriate lawyers?
23:09 <@anarchival> Itchy, itchy, trigger finger...
23:09 <@Evilpig> when you proxy his site and replace every instance of dog with dick.  it really gets under his skin
23:10 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Trevor and I had coffee a few days before SkyDogCon, when he canceled my talk due to "concerned sponsors." The chat lasted two hours. A solid twenty minutes was dedicated just to you.
23:10  * anarchival raises her glass towards Evilpig.
23:11 <@anarchival> I'll admit, that conversation was no small influence in my decision to return to 2600.
23:11  * anarchival winks at InfoSecDog.
23:11 <@Evilpig> haha.  only 20?  my influence is decreasing
23:12 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Well he wasted a bit of time in whining about how he'd broken up with his girlfriend...
23:12 <@anarchival> Evilpig: who is apparently now his wife and basically ran the conference for him four days later...
23:12 <@Evilpig> not his wife
23:12 <@anarchival> Evilpig: so maybe his head wasn't totally in the game?
23:12 <@Evilpig> not married
23:12 <@Evilpig> even though she goes by mrs skydick
23:13 <@Evilpig> it's fun to point that out
23:13 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Yeah, she followed me on Twitter as soon as he communicated with me there. Poor woman. She's got plenty of reason to be paranoid
23:13 < RangerZ> Shadow404: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/01/16/1824255/previously-unseen-photos-of-challenger-disaster-appear-online sure you saw it, but if not
23:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Previously-Unseen Photos of Challenger Disaster Appear Online - Slashdot (at science.slashdot.org)
23:13 <@anarchival> Not from me, obviously, but dude can't keep his dick in his pants to save his life.
23:14 <@anarchival> After that experience, I honestly believe he's got some sort of compulsion.
23:14 <@Corydon76-work> I hope he meets Lorena Bobbitt
23:14 <@Evilpig> I can't keep mine in my pants either.  but you just don't seem to be getting the hint
23:15 <@Evilpig> tomorrow is buy a new pillow day
23:15 <@anarchival> Evilpig: I generally don't consider IRC to be real life.
23:15 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, sorry, Pig, I just don't think of you in that way.
23:15 <@anarchival> RangerZ: I wanted to be an astronaut when I was little. I remember after watching the Challenger explosion, my aunts asked me if I still wanted it. I said yes.
23:16 <@Evilpig> this chick on 2 broke girls... I need a basement to kidnap her and stash her in
23:16 < RangerZ> you ARE in NJ
23:16 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: the blonde or the Jew?
23:16 <@anarchival> Evilpig: The blonde or the brunette?
23:16 < RangerZ> i know some good contractors
23:16 <@Evilpig> brunette
23:16 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Good boy.
23:16  * anarchival tosses Evilpig a treat.
23:17 <@Evilpig> what the hell would I see in a vapid blonde?
23:17 <@sdodson> So who's in the camp of liking skydog?
23:17 < RangerZ> a girl to be put in your basement
23:17  * anarchival takes off Evilpig's pants.
23:17 <@Evilpig> joke's on you.  like I was wearing pants
23:19 <@northrup> wait... you mean some of you people are wearing pants?
23:19 <@anarchival> northrup: I am at the moment, sadly. Although I'm usually naked.
23:20 <@Evilpig> northrup: I prefer the majority of this channel is anti-pants
23:20  * eryc scoots over to Evilpig 
23:20 <@Evilpig> s/prefer/prefer\ to\ believe/
23:21  * eryc puts a hand on Evilpig's leg
23:21 <@northrup> Evilpig: Aye... there's a reason I work from home...
23:21  * Evilpig lifts his leg and farts toward eryc 
23:22  * eryc breathes deeply
23:22 < RangerZ> smell like bacon?
23:23 <@eryc> yes
23:23 < RangerZ> Evilpig would probably use that as a pickup line
23:23 < RangerZ> "you know, my farts smell like bacon"
23:23 <@anarchival> "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of bacon."
23:23 <@anarchival> Mmm...bacon.
23:24 <@northrup> Just so long as it's bacon and not elderberry
23:24 < RangerZ> or worse
23:24 < RangerZ> Canadian bacon
23:25 <@anarchival> Funny story...
23:25 <@anarchival> Becky and I were in Niagara Falls, on a church trip with her father.
23:25 <@anarchival> Some Canadian police walked by.
23:25 <@anarchival> She stood up, pointed, and shouted, "Hey, look! Canadian bacon!"
23:26 <@anarchival> Somehow, we were not arrested.
23:26 <@Evilpig> they're used to it
23:26 <@Evilpig> I miss my uncle piggie.
23:28 <@anarchival> The Adams clan raised and slaughtered pigs. My great-grandmother made the best sausage I've ever tasted. The screaming when they slit their throats was pretty horrific, though.
23:29 <@eryc> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151784250266734&set=vb.25774846733&type=2&theater
23:29 < GateKeeper> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
23:35 <@anarchival> When Octavian says to Pullo, "it will be like old times...an adventure together." I can see the boy. Ouch.
23:38 <@Evilpig> bah! stupid friends.
23:38 <@sdodson> hey that's me
23:38 <@Evilpig> bitch went and got married in negril, jamaica and this place looks fuckin' awesome
23:53 <@eryc> are you jelly
23:54 <@anarchival> Court life under Cleopatra and Marc Anthony looks very Shrooms 'N Rooms.
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