--- Log opened Wed Jan 15 00:00:10 2014 --- Day changed Wed Jan 15 2014 00:00 <@anarchival> fornicating engine 00:00 * anarchival curtsies 00:02 < aestetix_> vagina 00:02 < aestetix_> rattle: http://www.change.org/petitions/the-mayor-and-city-council-of-oakland-ca-don-t-sell-out-the-people-of-oakland-to-the-department-of-homeland-security-don-t-vote-to-fund-the-domain-awareness-center 00:02 < aestetix_> show that to Andrea 00:05 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-98-193-233-136.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:05 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 00:07 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-98-193-233-136.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:10 <@SuMo_D> does anybody in here have any good ideas about testing plastics as to ascertain what kind of plastic they are? 00:10 <@SuMo_D> like... you got weird shit from china... and you want to know if it contains PVC or not? 00:11 < oddball> sorry, no clue. 00:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 00:12 <@oddball> I'm busy trying to figure out how the following line from a df makes sense: /dev/ad4s1a 597335948 1355464 548193612 0% / 00:13 <@eryc> SuMo_D: burn it with a laser next to small animals and see if they die 00:13 <@oddball> I guess under BSD the percentage is percent used instead of percent free? 00:14 <@SuMo_D> eryc I think I qualify as a small animal... so no... also it breaks the laser 00:14 <@SuMo_D> trying not to break the laser 00:18 < aestetix_> penis 00:28 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 00:33 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:35 <@anarchival> I hate him with the fire of a thousand suns. 00:35 <@SuMo_D> aestetix can your penis detect PVC? 00:35 <@anarchival> SuMo_D: His penis *is* PVC. 00:37 <@anarchival> I got five hours of sleep this morning and drank two glasses of wine tonight. Still awake. Bourbon or painkillers? 00:43 <@anarchival> I went with painkillers. Less bother for the Internet. 00:50 -!- Warcop [~zadeaux@96-32-205-123.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com] has quit [] 00:53 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:56 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 00:56 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 00:56 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ how are your projects coming? 00:56 <@SuMo_D> made any more videos? 02:02 -!- dc0de_ [~dc0de@ip68-107-29-232.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:04 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip68-107-29-232.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 02:31 <@SuMo_D> Oh man... this is too good aestetix_ you will understand this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6o5HXkR4YQ#t=28 02:31 < GateKeeper> Title: David Lynch e a Receita de Quinoa Pt. 1.mp4 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 02:32 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: not yet 02:32 <@SuMo_D> don't tell me you've never seen Eraserhead 02:33 -!- NotLarry [~notlarry@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 02:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 02:33 < aestetix_> I was referring to your previous q 02:33 < aestetix_> of course I've seen eraserhead 02:34 <@NotLarry> Sure you have, what was his girlfriends apartment number? 02:34 <@SuMo_D> phew 02:34 <@SuMo_D> also this - http://www.grammy.com/news/lifetime-achievement-award-kraftwerk 02:34 <@NotLarry> You fucking kids have no idea how fucking weird eraserhead was when it came out. 02:34 < GateKeeper> Title: Lifetime Achievement Award: Kraftwerk | GRAMMY.com (at www.grammy.com) 02:34 <@NotLarry> :) 02:35 <@SuMo_D> David Lynch is one of our famous alumni... although I heard he didn't actually graduate something about dead squirrels at boards 02:36 <@SuMo_D> which... yeah, I knew at least 2 girls with dead squirrels worked into their art my first semester. 02:36 <@SuMo_D> This is the quinoa O.O 02:41 < aestetix_> has he done anything lately? 02:41 < aestetix_> The last I know about was Inland Empire 02:42 < aestetix_> NotLarry: you should get John Waters to come to PhreakNIC as a guest speaker 02:43 <@NotLarry> I'll ask 02:43 < aestetix_> I figured you probably know the egg lady or something 02:43 < aestetix_> Or have a dog in common 02:43 <@NotLarry> I know no one. 02:44 <@NotLarry> *sigh* 02:45 <@NotLarry> Looking for something to listen to. Was listening to cage the elephant and Johnny Shines today. Got any serious suggestions? 02:46 <@NotLarry> It hit me today I lived in the same town as Johnny Shines and was a fan and never made it to a show. 02:47 < aestetix_> Johnny Rebel 02:51 <@NotLarry> wow, really? That is what you are gonna suggest? might have tagged that with nsfw 02:51 < aestetix_> Heh. I figured you'd be familiar with him. 02:52 <@NotLarry> Not the sort of think I make room for in my life tyvm. 02:55 < aestetix_> How about Green Day 02:56 <@NotLarry> Yeah, I liked them 03:00 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 03:26 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-212-19.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41 <@SuMo_D> NotLarry are you a Bad Religion fan? or maybe Machine Head, the last two albums are good 03:42 <@SuMo_D> The Blackening is probably up in my top 10 03:49 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXW6IeeiQ8g 03:49 < GateKeeper> Title: CNN Reporter Gets Stoned During Story On Colorado Legalization - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 04:16 -!- nightcarnage1 [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:42 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06 <@NotLarry> SuMo_D: Cool, will take a listen. 05:06 <@NotLarry> oh, gone, damn 05:11 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 05:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 05:19 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-50-152-33-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02 -!- NotLarry [~notlarry@129.59.115.4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:30 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 06:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 06:34 <@Shadow404> so girlfriend is an LPC and she agreed that i have 90% of the INTJ aspects after i showed her the wiki 06:59 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:24 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: you got an android phone right? 07:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 07:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 07:38 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has joined #se2600 07:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 07:38 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:38 <@Dolemite> Free steak lunch for me today, and I don't even have to put out for Evilpig 07:44 <@Shadow404> whats up dole-slut 07:45 <@Dolemite> I just told you, you illiterate twit! 07:45 <@Dolemite> Er, I mean, good morning 07:45 <@Shadow404> 5 Years Ago Today: US Airways flight 1549 ditched safely in the Hudson River after birds struck engines: http://ow.ly/sAPGu (NTSB) 07:45 < GateKeeper> Title: Accident Investigations - NTSB - National Transportation Safety Board (at ow.ly) 07:46 <@Bahhumbug> Damn - that was five years ago already? 07:47 <@Shadow404> thats what another channel just said 07:47 <@Shadow404> "Man, that was 5 years ago? I hate getting older." 07:47 <@Shadow404> Flight crew of US Airways flight 1549 was awarded 2010 National Air and Space Museum Trophy for Current Achievement: http://ow.ly/sARkE 07:47 < GateKeeper> Title: 2010 Current Achievement Trophy Winner | National Air and Space Museum (at ow.ly) 07:47 <@Shadow404> CSI of bird world, @NMNH Feather ID Lab found species that struck US Airways flight 1549 = Canada Geese: http://ow.ly/sAPRe #snarge 07:55 <@Shadow404> any suggestions on what app to use to run ssh/screen/irssi on an android phone? any experience using? 07:55 <@Shadow404> connectbot would be my first goto 07:56 <@Shadow404> but looking for anything else people liked 08:02 <@Dolemite> JuiceSSH 08:05 <@Shadow404> ok, looking into that 08:13 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14 <@brimstone> i like ConnectBot 08:15 <@brimstone> but mainly i use the weechat app to connect to my weechat instance when i'm mobile 08:27 <@Dolemite> I've used ConnectBot, too, and it's perfectly fine as well. 08:27 <@Dolemite> JuiceSSH is just another one that's out there that works pretty well 08:44 < RangerZ> the other apps usually use connectbot as the underlying API 08:44 < RangerZ> since connectbot can be used as a middleware type of thing 08:49 <@Shadow404> juice is a pain for importing keys into 08:49 <@Shadow404> doesnt recognize ppk, i dont have my rsa on the phone yet 08:50 <@Shadow404> and yes, i realize ppk is for putty, but it'd be nice if it recognized it 08:55 <@brimstone> putty has a converter 08:58 <@Evilpig> well fuck 08:58 <@Evilpig> i'm an hour late to work cause I woke up 30 minutes late and there is some thick ass fog out there 09:02 <@Shadow404> there we go 09:03 <@Shadow404> juice up and running 09:27 -!- RangerZ1 [~walker@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:37 <@Dagmar> PuTTY's keys are actually just a little more formalized than most other tools use. 09:38 <@Catonic> oy 09:39 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHivLoqcRvs 09:39 < GateKeeper> Title: Youll Never Believe How the GOP Wants to Honor MLK - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 09:39 < RangerZ> I gotta give them credit for the big brass balls they have to do this... 09:40 <@Evilpig> ooo I actually get monday off 09:44 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: They're proposing putting a giant lawn jockey on the green outside of the Washington Monument? 09:47 <@Shadow404> lawl 09:54 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 09:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 09:54 <@Shadow404> ok, so this is gonna a really odd question/scenario im trying to figure out 09:54 <@Shadow404> $boss wants screencap of certain website 3x daily, but it requires a login 09:55 < RangerZ> actools on windows 09:55 < RangerZ> great little tool, for automation 09:55 < RangerZ> very simple scripting language in it 09:55 <@Shadow404> well, i want it to run fully automated.... 09:55 < RangerZ> it was originally a botting tool for Ashron's Call 09:56 <@brimstone> Shadow404: try phantomjs 09:56 <@brimstone> or Selenium 09:56 < RangerZ> lynx has scripting too i think 09:56 <@Shadow404> ok, writing the script isnt the hard part, i can do that easily 09:57 <@Shadow404> but, company policy you cant leave a machine unlocked for more than 15 minutes idle 09:57 <@Shadow404> and most scripts cant autologin 09:57 <@Shadow404> windows prevents this 09:57 <@Shadow404> is there anything that can run as a windows service behind the login prompt and do this? 09:57 * brimstone points to both of the ones he mentioned 09:57 <@Shadow404> hrmm 09:58 <@Shadow404> ill take a look 09:59 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 10:00 <@Shadow404> phantonjs might just be my ticket as long as it can detect the login/password on the webpage and insert the credentials 10:02 <@Catonic> brimstone: hey man, how goes? 10:02 <@brimstone> hi Catonic 10:02 <@Catonic> Shadow404: expect. 10:03 <@Catonic> lynx, cgywin, etc. 10:03 <@Catonic> wget even. 10:03 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: lastpass can autologin to some sites. 10:04 <@Shadow404> working in a shell is so much easier than automating screencaps on webpages....sigh 10:13 <@opticron> how about taking webpage screencaps from a shell? 10:14 <@Shadow404> again, the login issue 10:14 <@Shadow404> it has to detect the login prompt and add the credentials, then the screencap is easy 10:24 -!- NotLarry [~quassel@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 10:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 10:27 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz9FWJ0zQUo 10:27 < GateKeeper> Title: Mobile Cloud Computing with Android - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 10:27 < RangerZ> the vandy MOOCs 10:30 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:35 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 10:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 10:35 * RangerZ goes off to finish writing the programming assignment for the first mooc in that chain 10:39 <@Dolemite> Later, kids. Gotta meet someone for lunch and then go to the DR site. 10:39 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:41 <@Shadow404> awww, dole-daddy left 10:41 <@brimstone> mhmm lunch at 9:40 10:41 <@Shadow404> this is Dolemite were talking about 10:41 <@Shadow404> have you met him? 10:41 <@brimstone> oh, first lunch 10:43 <@anarchival> I read that as "lunch," but that probably says more about me than it does him. 10:46 <@Evilpig> brimstone: I thought you were in hotlanta now so it's 10:40 10:47 <@brimstone> almost 5pm 11:06 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.148.2.100] has joined #se2600 11:08 <@Dagmar> *sigh* 11:09 <@Dagmar> The mailman will probably not be happy with me over the next few weeks 11:09 <@Dagmar> I just ordered 35 different used CDs 11:16 <@Evilpig> is that restricted to just the mailman or can we get in on this hate too? 11:20 <@Corydon76-work> Used like how? Are these porn vids, and are the CD cases encrusted with dried bodily fluids? 11:23 <@SuMo_D> Dagmar if you ever need more LED strips - I just ordered some stuff from https://www.superbrightleds.com - they have good prices and are US based 11:23 < GateKeeper> Title: LED Lights, Bulbs & LED Lighting Accessories - SUPER BRIGHT LEDS (at www.superbrightleds.com) 11:23 <@SuMo_D> I need UV for a project I'm working on, and they have them decently priced 11:26 <@oddball> Dagmar: How would that make him unhappy with you. 11:26 <@oddball> I bet he just shoves the CDs in the mailbox with everything else. 11:27 <@oddball> Now... when I ordered a case of ammo while living on the third floor of an apartment building... 11:31 < RangerZ> oddball: we should just ship 69lb ingots of iron around in the 'if it fits it ships' boxes 11:31 < RangerZ> as long as they are under 70lbs 11:31 < RangerZ> lol 11:32 <@brimstone> why's it got to be iron? ingotist 11:33 < RangerZ> becuase Iron is naturally white when hot, black when cold, and red when rusty 11:33 < RangerZ> so its least/most racist metal 11:33 <@brimstone> and when you hit it, it goes CHINK! 11:33 <@Dagmar> I thought you were talking about shipping niggers of iron 11:34 <@Dagmar> oddball: Thhey're being shipped from 25 individual locations 11:34 <@Dagmar> er 35 11:35 <@oddball> RangerZ: What do you think a case of ammo weighs? 11:35 < RangerZ> yeah i know, but shipping would be a lot more than the 'if it fits it ships' boxes 11:36 <@oddball> true 11:36 < RangerZ> anyways, off to work, later 11:36 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36 <@oddball> And there's the thing that it was the FedEx guy, since the USPS won't ship explosives. 11:38 <@Evilpig> http://25.media.tumblr.com/gXO4eDo3wjcvpoytj1DzuIGJo1_250.gif <-- this should be used just about anytime NotLarry speaks 11:38 <@oddball> Ah... so this is a case of possibly recieving 25+ small boxes/shipping envelopes on the same day. 11:40 <@Dagmar> oddball: Spread out over the next three weeks actually, although I suspect a lot of them are going to arrive next Wednesday 11:40 <@Dagmar> This is assuming I don't go back to the trough 11:40 <@Dagmar> Most of them I spent $2 on 11:41 <@oddball> hahaha.... someone is trolling the state of New York's 10 round magazine limit hard. 11:42 <@oddball> They're going to sell what is essentially 5 10round mags glued together and advertise that it has a capacity of 50. 11:42 <@Dagmar> They should make a mag collater, like those dimm-saver things from the 90s 11:43 <@Dagmar> You plug it into the gun, and then plug four magazines into it 11:43 <@oddball> heh 11:45 <@Dagmar> Hmm... 11:46 <@Dagmar> I've been told to install linux on $box 11:46 <@Dagmar> All I have in the way of access is iLO 11:46 <@Dagmar> I login to the slow ass console finally, see on the screen... 11:46 <@Dagmar> "Log on to: ds-root.domain.foo" 11:46 <@Dagmar> o.O 11:46 <@oddball> annnd done? 11:47 <@Dagmar> I'm just going to power it down and have a cigarette and see what happens 11:48 <@oddball> ah... the "fun" way of seeing who owns the undocumented box. 11:49 <@Mirage> w00t....$23.99 http://www.kpsurplus.com/buy/4x_30_pin_to_72_1me72430b_simm_expander_card_925_0002/35378 11:49 < GateKeeper> Title: KP Surplus - 4x 30-pin to 72 - 1ME72430B SIMM Expander Card 925-0002 (at www.kpsurplus.com) 11:49 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: and when all the streetlights suddenly stop working and you cause multiple traffic accidents? 11:50 <@Evilpig> we all laugh then wipe the logs 11:50 <@Shadow404> heh 11:50 <@Dagmar> I'll have a good view from the smoking area in the parking garage 11:50 <@Dagmar> They really should have wiped this box before giving it to us 11:53 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 12:00 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 <@Mirage> Dagmar: come from ITS or Directory Services? 12:01 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 12:03 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 12:10 <@Dagmar> Mirage: NCS 12:18 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.148.2.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:27 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: I think I may do my next video on "what is privacy" 12:27 < aestetix_> I'm so sick of people being totally wrong about it 12:28 <@anarchival> aestetix_: lol 12:28 * anarchival imagines aestetix replacing Scalia on SCOTUS. 12:30 < klixa> aestetix_: maybe they are right and *you* are wrong.... ? 12:30 < klixa> privacy doesn't exist anyway... NSA plus whatever else that person in the tinfoil hat was ranting about... 12:31 < aestetix_> klixa: we've been having a long argument on the IDESG taxonomy list about this 12:31 < aestetix_> A lot of people seem to think privacy is a binary thing 12:31 < aestetix_> Where you either have it or you don't, thus leading to "privacy is gone!" 12:31 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Well that's just silly. Everyone knows it's a penumbra. 12:31 < aestetix_> anarchival: *pets* 12:32 < aestetix_> anarchival: at best, everyone knows it's a trigger point ;) 12:33 <@anarchival> aestetix_: http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12276922145000050979&q=+381+U.S.+479&hl=en&as_sdt=6,43 12:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Google Scholar (at scholar.google.com) 12:33 < aestetix_> anarchival: I ought to show you all the mailing lists I'm on where people are screaming "NO SURVEILLANCE!!!" 12:34 < klixa> aestetix_: i agree it's not binary... 12:34 <@anarchival> aestetix_: I'm in favor of no surveillance. 12:34 < aestetix_> anarchival: define surveillance. 12:34 < aestetix_> heh 12:34 <@Dagmar> "being a nosy shit" 12:35 <@anarchival> aestetix_: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/surveillance?s=t 12:35 < GateKeeper> Title: Surveillance | Define Surveillance at Dictionary.com (at dictionary.reference.com) 12:35 < klixa> they can surveil everything but my cybersex logs... 12:35 < aestetix_> anarchival: I was asking you to define it, not to appeal to authority ;) 12:35 <@Evilpig> klixa: you said you weren't keeping logs. wtf?! 12:35 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Alternatively, http://thelawdictionary.org/surveillance/ 12:36 < klixa> Evilpig: um... about that 12:36 < aestetix_> anarchival: have you kept up with the border search cases? 12:36 < aestetix_> That's where some really crazy shit is happening 12:36 <@anarchival> aestetix_: I'm sorry, I'm neither an evangelical nor a gnostic when it comes to the meaning of words. 12:37 <@Evilpig> just pedandtic 12:37 < aestetix_> anarchival: have you seen any of Marcia Hofmann's talks? 12:37 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Maybe. Which cases are you referring to? Generally speaking, immigration law has always been a clusterfuck. 12:38 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Yes, I'm very familiar with Marcia. 12:38 < aestetix_> Ok. 12:38 < aestetix_> She's had to deal with some really crazy shit. 12:39 < klixa> i have been searched at the border... it was scary cause i had just let a potsmoker out...and the dogs were sniffing in the spot they had sat... i was worried they dropped drugs in my car :/ those dogs have strong noses 12:40 <@anarchival> klixa: aren't you a lawyer, too? 12:40 < klixa> anarchival: no 12:41 * klixa is a nomad... currently in Coachella 12:42 < aestetix_> anarchival: I thought you hadn't taken the bar 12:42 <@anarchival> aestetix_: that's not the way I was using "too" 12:43 <@anarchival> aestetix_: There was a woman last year at PN who was a property lawyer from AZ, I was just wondering if that was klixa 12:43 < aestetix_> speaking of privacy 12:43 < aestetix_> https://t.co/kKdbgQcn6x 12:43 < klixa> i wasnt there 12:43 < aestetix_> on the radio right now 12:43 < GateKeeper> Title: Post a Negative Yelp Review? You May Not Stay Anonymous: Forum | KQED Public Media for Northern CA (at t.co) 12:44 < aestetix_> The implications of the Yelp thing are scary 12:48 <@Dagmar> You want scary/ 12:48 <@Dagmar> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/01/important-photo-advice/ 12:49 <@Dagmar> The judge's ruling doesn't really make a lot of sense 12:49 < klixa> chest pics are better than dick pics 12:50 <@anarchival> One of my cousin's dick pics had his medal stripes laying on his thigh. I could tell he'd put a lot of thought into that composition. 12:51 < klixa> why were you looking at your COUSIN's dick ic? 12:52 <@anarchival> klixa: He sent them to me. He does that every few weeks, usually around 3am, after I presume the strip club has shut down. 12:52 < klixa> but hes your cousin 12:52 < klixa> thats like incest 12:52 <@anarchival> klixa: Yes. I'm glad you see the problem there. 12:52 < northrup> klixa: anarchival didn't say she *enjoyed* them, just that goober sends them... 12:53 < klixa> id forward them to the rest of the family 12:53 <@anarchival> klixa: It's not so much shocking that it's incest. That's really pretty common in my family. It's more that I didn't expect *him* to do it. 12:53 * klixa wonders if she is being trolled 12:53 < aestetix_> ugh 12:53 * northrup shudders 12:53 < aestetix_> Andrew Keen is such a fucking idiot. 12:56 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Gotta love a guy who puts words like empowers, democratizes, and levels the playing field in scare quotes. 12:56 <@anarchival> aestetix_: He's sort of "fascist." 12:59 <@Dagmar> http://merugear.nl/wp-content/1337cereal070kh7.jpg 13:01 < klixa> ugh...i have to live in Waco the next 4 weeks :/ 13:01 < klixa> which i just learned is 100 miles from Austen not 30 13:01 < klixa> austin* 13:04 <@Evilpig> isn't waco where that cult had the stand off with the cops? 13:04 <@oddball> yep 13:04 < klixa> yeah 13:04 < northrup> Heh.. 13:05 < klixa> i was supposed to be in LA..but that only lasted a week 13:07 < northrup> the joys of traveling for a job 13:13 <@Mirage> klixa: not too far from Dallas 13:14 < klixa> its the same 13:14 < klixa> 100 miles 13:15 < northrup> Heh, reminds me of O Brother Wheer Art Thou 13:15 < northrup> "Well isn't this place a geographical oddity, two weeks from everywhere!" 13:15 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17 < klixa> road time 13:17 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18 < northrup> I love honest software people... I just found this in an FAQ I was looking at for an open source project: 13:18 < northrup> q: What does DNS and SMTP mean? What is a TCP Socket? 13:18 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.148.2.100] has joined #se2600 13:18 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 13:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 13:18 < northrup> a: Do not install this software, it is beyond the scope of your skill set and will only lead to frustration. 13:19 <@oddball> heh 13:19 <@Shadow404> lawl, D-Die, N-Now, S-Soon 13:19 <@Shadow404> kthx 13:21 <@anarchival> northrup: Alternatively, Please read this before visiting the FAQ: http://www.opsschool.org/en/latest/ 13:21 < GateKeeper> Title: Ops School Curriculum Ops School Curriculum 0.1 documentation (at www.opsschool.org) 13:23 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27 < aestetix_> penis 13:27 < aestetix_> what is ops school 13:28 < aestetix_> hey this is cool 13:32 <@anarchival> I just forked that on Nashville 2600 Github. I can't believe I left that one out. 13:32 <@brimstone> opsschool is a great start, but needs a lot more work 13:32 <@anarchival> brimstone: Yep. It's community-driven, though, so if any of you have anything to add... 13:33 -!- NotLarry [~quassel@129.59.115.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:33 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 13:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 13:42 <@Shadow404> oh noes, twitter just broke 13:42 <@Shadow404> well, short 3 min outage 13:42 <@Mirage> This could be painful...HR is requesting my prior income from Vandy and my salary requirements to work out an offer for a permanent position. I hope they accept that fact that Universities don't pay market rate for IT as a general rule. 13:42 < aestetix_> uh 13:43 < aestetix_> Mirage: can they do that? 13:43 < aestetix_> Just tell them you don't like giving that information out. 13:44 < aestetix_> They probably just want to force you to say the first number 13:44 <@brimstone> if the university accepts state money i think they have to release salary information 13:44 <@brimstone> maybe just federal funds 13:45 <@Mirage> Vanderbilt doesn't publish theirs like UT and TSU does. 13:45 < aestetix_> Well then the HR place can contact the university 13:45 <@Mirage> This is what I'm telling them: "Vanderbilt isn.t a very good baseline for comparison for income given that it.s an educational institution on average was paying 20-25% below the equivalent corporate position." 13:45 < nachoguy> Mirage, if they ask you what you made, say "what I'm looking for is $X" 13:45 < aestetix_> nachoguy: I wouldn't even do that 13:46 < aestetix_> Just say that you're looking for market rate 13:46 <@Dagmar> Mirage: You don't have to tell them, and you can, in fact, lie. 13:46 < nachoguy> Market rate varies wildly. 13:46 < aestetix_> nachoguy: that's their problem 13:46 < nachoguy> best to say what you're looking for 13:46 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Tell them you were making what Dan Raymer was making 13:46 < nachoguy> you can provide a range, but they're likely going to just take the low figure 13:47 < nachoguy> aestetix_: it's your problem if you want the job, and their "market value" and yours don't line up 13:47 < nachoguy> if they're asking, best to tell them what you're expecting 13:47 < aestetix_> nachoguy: the point being, smart geeks always tend to undervalue themselves 13:48 < nachoguy> and businesses abuse that 13:48 <@Dagmar> Also, fuck these people: http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/2013-tas-editors-choice-awards-digital-interconnects/ 13:48 < nachoguy> Mirage is no wet behind the ears newb 13:48 < GateKeeper> Title: 2013 TAS Editors Choice Awards: Digital Interconnects | The Absolute Sound (at www.theabsolutesound.com) 13:48 < aestetix_> nachoguy: of course, things may differ between markets 13:48 < aestetix_> What I'm saying is absolutely true for the bay area. Might not work in the south. 13:48 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: wtf on that? 13:49 <@Mirage> As a general rule, I'm too honest for my own good, so I have to temper my normal tendencies with feedback from channel. =) 13:49 < nachoguy> He knows his shit, and he knows how much he wants to get paid. Unless there are some awful tempting perks, it doesn't matter how much he likes the company, he's not going to accept a salary below some level 13:49 < aestetix_> ah ok then 13:50 <@Evilpig> mirage they asked me that question or similar up here. but what I told them was I cannot make this move for less than x and i'm looking for y. x was about 10% above my actual lowest amount 13:51 <@Mirage> I'd be lying if I said that I wouldn't take a job for less money if it had some really awesome perks or was just something that I really liked doing. But then, as Dolemite has pointed out several times, I'm too much of a push-over and accept way less that I should. 13:51 < nachoguy> That's the way to do it 13:51 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51 <@Mirage> Evilpig: yeah, but you're evil.. 13:52 <@Evilpig> when dealing with the devil, you need a little evil 13:52 < nachoguy> Mirage: if you're not in a rush (like already out of the old job), you can be as picky as you want 13:52 <@Mirage> I'm pretty much going to ask for what i'm getting now as contract minus the approx value of actually getting benefits. 13:53 <@Evilpig> I feel my time working for satan himself has prepared me to lie to just about anyone with a straight face. I can even look aestetix_ square in the eye and say "You're the hottest chick on the planet" and he'll believe me 13:53 <@Mirage> nachoguy: contract to hire position...they're starting the process of converting me to an FTE vs contractor. 13:53 < nachoguy> Mirage: or ask for what you're getting now (including the benefits value) 13:53 < nachoguy> ah 13:53 < nachoguy> well, that makes sense why they're hitting Vandy and not your current employer 13:54 < nachoguy> with FTE, you lose overtime. 13:54 < nachoguy> I'd look for the rate to stay the same or have a slight bump (though benefits are nice) 14:08 <@Dagmar> Just be sure and find out how many dead hookers they'll disappear for you each year 14:09 <@Dagmar> It's really hard to renegotiate that after hire 14:09 <@Evilpig> +1 14:10 < aestetix_> Corydon76-work: do you like enemas? 14:11 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix_: I've never had one 14:12 < aestetix_> Shadow404: what about you? 14:12 <@Corydon76-work> Provided it's done correctly, I like it when other guys do them 14:13 <@Corydon76-work> Or rather "have done them" 14:13 < aestetix_> Evilpig: I *am* the hottest chick on the planet. 14:14 < aestetix_> Of course, you never specified which planet. 14:14 < aestetix_> also 14:14 * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 14:14 <@brimstone> can you connect to ASAs together? 14:14 <@brimstone> via ipsec? 14:14 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: The guys on news.ycombinator are *really* not amused with that site https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7064819 14:14 < aestetix_> yes 14:14 < GateKeeper> Title: $695 USB cable wins TASs editors choice award | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) 14:14 < northrup> brimstone: Yes 14:17 < nachoguy> http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/635-sex-and-drugs-and-border-changes 14:17 < GateKeeper> Title: 635 - Sex and Drugs and Border Changes | Strange Maps | Big Think (at bigthink.com) 14:17 < nachoguy> These circumstances conspire to make the peninsula a sanctuary for unlicensed sunbathing, 14:18 < nachoguy> " unlicensed sunbathing"? 14:18 <@Shadow404> aestetix_: you are the kind of special that rode the shortbus, huh? 14:20 < aestetix_> Shadow404: didn't answer the question 14:21 <@brimstone> northrup: thanks 14:26 <@anarchival> "when dealing with the devil, you need a little evil" 14:26 * anarchival blows Evilpig a kiss. 14:26 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: even that site's commenters has trouble with the article 14:27 * Evilpig takes his pants off 14:27 <@anarchival> It's kind of weird how much I work for or with the government, being an anarchist. 14:27 <@anarchival> The duality of man. 14:27 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 14:27 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: That's probably because they're now being overwhelmed by people from news.ycombinator, but there's one idiot valiantly sticking it out with claims of "warmness" 14:27 < nachoguy> anarchival: the necessity of money 14:27 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: the discussion is 5 months old 14:28 <@Dagmar> So? 14:28 <@anarchival> nachoguy: Psht. I'm not even getting paid for the stuff I'm doing now. 14:29 <@Evilpig> speaking of the devil. he just called me, again. 14:29 <@Evilpig> I did NOT answer this time 14:29 <@Shadow404> what was he asking for this time? 14:29 <@Shadow404> hes already got your little piglet soul 14:29 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: all of the ycombinator comments are in the last day 14:30 <@Evilpig> my assumption was to ask "why did you put my phone number on twitter" 14:30 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: WHere did you see this on Facebook? 14:30 <@Shadow404> i did reply to your twitter 14:30 <@Dagmar> I didn't post anything to Facebook about it 14:30 <@Corydon76-work> It's where I share shit. 14:31 <@Corydon76-work> Would you prefer not being tagged? 14:32 <@Dagmar> Ah 14:32 <@Dagmar> Okay. 14:32 <@Dagmar> I signed into Disqus through FB. 14:32 <@Dagmar> I thought maybe it posted something to my feed, and I needed to go eat someone's soul 14:33 <@anarchival> Normally, I'd rush over and follow all of you on Twitter, but I think I'm quitting the thing. 14:33 <@anarchival> Facebook is the devil. 14:33 <@anarchival> I'm on Facebook, but it's under yet another pseudonym, and only because a couple backwards ass local hacker groups still use it. 14:35 < nachoguy> http://i.imgur.com/XRBh7wW.jpg 14:36 <@brimstone> nachoguy: lol 14:45 <@Dagmar> Crazy shit http://laist.com/2014/01/14/video_la_visual_artists_magic_vine.php 14:45 < GateKeeper> Title: Video: This Artist's Vines Are Pure 'Magic': LAist (at laist.com) 14:46 <@Dagmar> I olike the one where he uses his apple as a waffle maker. 14:47 <@Corydon76-work> Apparently, it's snowing. Time for Nashvillains to drive crazy and buy up all the milk and bread. 14:49 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Dammit. I really do need to go to the store. :/ 14:50 <@Corydon76-work> I have an admin page that is a constant source of amusement: all the failed logins. 14:51 <@Corydon76-work> I never knew there was a bellshouth.net 14:51 <@anarchival> Dagmar: That Is Brilliant. 14:52 <@Corydon76-work> and the spaces in the middle of email addresses are golden, too 14:52 -!- NotLarry [~quassel@2601:5:1880:343:dc73:ea3b:24d3:ee52] has joined #se2600 14:52 < aestetix_> So, anarchival I have a legal question 14:52 < aestetix_> Curious what your thoughts are 14:53 < aestetix_> The US revoked Snowden's passport. If he has a drivers license, is he still a US citizen? 14:53 <@brimstone> yup 14:53 < aestetix_> So, how do you revoke citizenship? 14:53 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix_: He's still a US Citizen no matter what. There is no provision under the law to revoke citizenship. 14:53 <@brimstone> give them the naturalization test 14:53 < aestetix_> That's what I thought 14:53 < aestetix_> Corydon76-work: unless of course you expatriate 14:53 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Some of the bits are just insane 14:54 < aestetix_> Since if the federal government revoked a state ID, I could see all kinds of legal issues coming out of that 14:54 <@Corydon76-work> Well, there is ONE way, which is to commit fraud during the naturalization process, in which case the citizenship is judged never to have been valid in the first place 14:54 <@opticron> they can revoke citizenship, it's called assassination 14:54 <@Corydon76-work> expatriates are still citizens 14:55 < aestetix_> What does expatriation do, then? 14:55 <@Corydon76-work> Legally, nothing, other than put them in violation of tax law 14:55 <@Dagmar> Means you probably get called 'gwailo' a lot 14:56 < aestetix_> interesting 14:56 <@Corydon76-work> If it was a priority for the US, the person could be repatriated to the US. 14:57 <@Corydon76-work> but given that money is typically in foreign accounts, unless the US wants to imprison them for some reason, it's simply not a priority for the US to pursue those people 14:58 <@anarchival> aestetix_: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/III/III/1481 14:58 < GateKeeper> Title: 8 U.S.C. 1481 : US Code - Section 1481: Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions (at codes.lp.findlaw.com) 14:58 <@anarchival> aestetix_: State IDs, or state laws for that matter, have got nothing the bumfuck to do with US citizenship. 14:59 < aestetix_> anarchival: what defines US citizenship, then? :) 14:59 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Of course, naturalized citizens can have their citizenship revoked under different criteria. Primarily, for being Nazis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States 14:59 < GateKeeper> Title: List of denaturalized former citizens of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 15:00 <@anarchival> aestetix_: The Constitution, the USC, the federal Courts. 15:01 < aestetix_> anarchival: so citizenship is a federal thing? 15:01 <@anarchival> aestetix_: You're clear on the distinction between federal, state, and local government, right? Also the separation of powers between executive, legislative, and judicial? 15:02 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Yes. 15:02 < aestetix_> So if I'm born in a state and never get an ID, I'm not a citizen? 15:02 <@Shadow404> i think everyone should have at least a small cache of funds offshore 15:02 <@Dagmar> No you're still a citizen 15:02 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix_: No, you're a citizen by virtue of birth 15:02 <@Mirage> aestetix_: if you're born and never get a birth certificate registered 15:03 < aestetix_> Mirage: right. 15:03 <@Corydon76-work> Consider that John McAfee is still a US Citizen 15:03 < aestetix_> I'm born in a state and get no document from the government recognizing me 15:04 <@Dagmar> You have no birth certificate? 15:04 <@anarchival> aestetix_: You're still a citizen. The Constitution has a very loose definition of citizenship. As long as you were born within our borders, you're a citizen. 15:04 < aestetix_> Correct 15:04 <@Dagmar> ...as in, one does not exist for you? 15:04 < aestetix_> I was not born in a hospital. 15:04 < aestetix_> Dagmar: this is, of course, a hypothetical. 15:04 <@Dagmar> A hospital issues them automatically. 15:04 < aestetix_> Although something I imagine was really common in, say, 1920 15:04 -!- NotLarry [~quassel@2601:5:1880:343:dc73:ea3b:24d3:ee52] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:04 <@Dagmar> ANyone else just generally has to so see the county court cleark 15:04 < aestetix_> er 1820 15:04 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Birth certificates are useful because they are accepted as proof of birth, but there are plenty of people born here who enjoy citizenship who don't have a birth certificate. 15:05 < aestetix_> anarchival: right 15:05 <@Dagmar> Hell I know someone who had their kid in my apartment 15:05 < aestetix_> What I'm getting at is this. 15:05 <@Corydon76-work> You mean like Ronald Reagan, who didn't have a birth certificate for the entire time he was President? 15:05 < aestetix_> If you are born and have no documentation from the state, and you're still considered a citizen 15:05 <@anarchival> My cousin Jessica, who is a few years younger than me, had both of her kids at home. Her Mom delivered. 15:05 < aestetix_> How do you lose your citizenship? 15:06 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Did you read the USC I linked to? 15:06 <@Dagmar> aestetix_; Get caught fucking the First Lady probably 15:06 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix_: anarchival linked the law, but I don't know of any time it's ever been actually used 15:06 <@Dagmar> What it comes down to is that if a gov't agency says "he's one of ours" then you're a citizen 15:06 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Usually, it's part of some federal legal proceeding at which point they revoke your citizenship. 15:06 -!- NotLarry [~quassel@2601:5:1880:343:dc73:ea3b:24d3:ee52] has joined #se2600 15:06 <@Corydon76-work> Essentially, the US has to CARE enough to put forth a case, and without a case, doesn't happen 15:06 <@anarchival> If you're lucky, you skip the country. If you're not lucky, you go to prison. 15:07 <@anarchival> Sometimes the feds are kind enough to simply deport you, though. 15:07 <@anarchival> But that's usually only in cases of revocation of naturalized citizenship. 15:07 <@Dagmar> ...then the question becomes "who'll take you" 15:07 <@Corydon76-work> If you have money, a lot of places 15:07 <@anarchival> Deportation of natural born citizens is usually to some CIA black site. 15:08 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: if that were the case, there would be no longstanding evidence until 50 years after the fact 15:08 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yep. Which is why I think there are so few cases. There are probably many more than we know about. 15:08 <@Corydon76-work> But a lot of South American countries will happily take an expat. 15:08 < aestetix_> anarchival: I'll read the cae in a bit 15:09 <@Corydon76-work> It's why Argentina had such a massive supply of ex-Nazis 15:09 < aestetix_> oh the USC, hold on 15:09 <@anarchival> aestetix_: the link is to the federal Code, not a case. 15:10 < aestetix_> So it sounds like the big thing is that citizenship is not linked to a specific document 15:10 < aestetix_> Hmm. That says loss of nationality. Is that the same thing as citizenship? 15:11 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Yes. 15:12 <@anarchival> aestetix_: http://thelawdictionary.org/nationality/ 15:13 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix_: but consider that John McAfee is the most famous expat. He is still a US citizen. If the US didn't feel like creating a case against him, what makes you think they'll do anything to Snowden's citizenship? 15:13 <@anarchival> aestetix_: http://thelawdictionary.org/citizen/ http://thelawdictionary.org/citizen/ 15:13 -!- NotLarry_ [~quassel@2601:5:1880:343:dc73:ea3b:24d3:ee52] has joined #se2600 15:13 <@Evilpig> ipv6Larry? 15:14 < aestetix_> Fair enough. 15:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> about the citizenship thing, yes there actually is a way to lose citizenship, accept a title (duke, etc) of a foriegn nation 15:14 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Americans like to refer to ourselves as "citizens" because we style ourselves after the Greek democracy and Roman Republic, but the concept we're actually discussing is nationality. 15:14 <@Corydon76-work> In fact, if they want to prosecute him for leaking secrets, there's good reason NOT to try to terminate his citizenship, because it's easier to recall a citizen for a crime than a non-citizen 15:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> doesn't matter, within 5 years, he will have full clemensy(sp?) 15:15 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ|Laptop: I doubt it 15:15 < aestetix_> on that note I'm gonna take a nap 15:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> one of the two major political parties will wise up and realize they can use him 15:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> to bash over the head of the other 15:15 <@Corydon76-work> I think within 5 years, the US won't much care either way 15:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> THEN it'lll happen 15:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> ehh, off to meeting 15:16 <@anarchival> The tactical reason the State department revoked Snowden's citizenship is obvious; they were trying to make it difficult for him to flee. 15:16 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:16 <@Corydon76-work> Other than a minority, we will forget about him, and the NSA will go on invading our privacy 15:16 < aestetix_> btw, vagina 15:16 <@anarchival> There are several provisions under the USC where his citizenship maybe could have been validly revoked 15:17 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I thought they only revoked his passport, not his citizenship 15:17 <@anarchival> But none of them are definitive, unless, for instance, Snowden swore an oath of allegiance to a foreign state or some such other in the course of trying to get a non-US passport. 15:18 <@Corydon76-work> and voluntarily 15:18 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yeah, I'm not clear if they only revoked his passport or actually revoked his citizenship. That's an important fact. 15:18 <@Corydon76-work> Criminals routinely have their passports revoked 15:19 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Criminals are a fuzzy area within citizenship, generally. Prisoners don't have full citizenship rights. 15:20 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: or even those under indictment 15:20 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: That's where (7) comes from; if you commit treason, you forfeit your citizenship totally. 15:20 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, but treason is defined absolutely in the US Constitution 15:20 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: which is another provision that Snowden could fall under, but they would have to try him first. 15:21 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: They can't just yell "treason!" and take away your citizenship. There is still due process. 15:22 <@Corydon76-work> Right, but they'd need 2 witnesses in open court or a confession in open court 15:22 <@Evilpig> i'm surrounded by adults... drinking juiceboxes. 15:22 <@Evilpig> wtf? 15:23 <@Corydon76-work> Levying war or in adhering to the Enemy, giving them Aid and Comfort 15:23 <@Corydon76-work> I honestly cannot see a charge of treason being sustained 15:24 <@Shadow404> does your passport get suspended when you get selected for the draft? 15:24 <@Shadow404> to prevent leaving the country 15:24 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: That's what makes the War on Terror so scary. It's broadened the definition of aiding the enemy to such a ridiculous degree anyone could commit treason with behaviors that previously would not have been war crimes. 15:25 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Congress would have had to declare war first, though 15:25 <@Corydon76-work> Snowden did not adhere either to Iraq or Afghanistan or give them aid and comfort 15:25 <@Shadow404> Patriot act? 15:25 <@anarchival> Shadow404: in what country? We don't have a draft. 15:26 <@Shadow404> anarchival: if... 15:26 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: Treason is specified exclusively in the Constitution 15:26 <@Shadow404> im just curious how that would work 15:26 <@Corydon76-work> The Patriot Act is not a declaration of war 15:26 <@Corydon76-work> It specifies investigative powers 15:27 <@anarchival> Shadow404: I could see a draft board demanding surrender of your passport, but I don't think that was something they did. 15:28 <@anarchival> Shadow404: For starters, draft-dodging would have been much less of a thing. 15:29 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I'm not saying you're wrong, but in practical terms our government doesn't have to follow the Constitution and often doesn't. 15:29 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: That's what's so terrifying about this NSA stuff. I thought electing a Constitutional law professor as President meant he would understand it, and it did. He knows it well enough to hack it. 15:30 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Really there should be rioting in the streets over how far the federal government has overstepped its legal authority, but Americans don't care as much about tyranny as they like to talk about when we're discussing guns and taxes, etc. 15:31 <@Dagmar> Really. 15:32 <@Dagmar> 'cuz I could have sworn a lot of it has to do with the fact that they'll roll fucking tanks out and tear gas us 15:32 <@Dagmar> If they'll do it to fucking hippies in a park, they'll DEFINITELY use heavy-handed tactics on an *angry* mob 15:32 <@anarchival> Dagmar: So many King George the IIIs, so few Patrick Henry's. ;) 15:33 <@Dagmar> Also, we already know they're not above abusing their powers to arrest you, and all of your friends, based on "harmless metadata" gathered from snooping on everyone's shit 15:33 <@anarchival> Dagmar: That's what I'm saying. Americans like to talk about how they need their guns in order to overthrow a tyrannical government. Well...? 15:33 <@Dagmar> We fucking watched them do it to Occupy people on a goddamn monthly basis 15:34 <@Dagmar> The "Well..." is that people are better about keeping their wits about them now than they were 200 years ago 15:35 <@Dagmar> You're not even an anonymous face in a crowd when a half decent digital photo can be fed to a computer and more than 85% of the faces automatically identified based on scraping social media 15:36 <@Dagmar> You don't *get* to pretend you have privacy and talk about shit on public, unencrypted chat networks 15:36 <@Dagmar> ...because if you do, someone somewhere, puts your name in a fucking file. 15:36 <@Dagmar> ...and then machines start keeping logs of your specialness. 15:36 <@Mirage> Dagmar: more like someone 15:37 <@Mirage> 's script puts your name in a file 15:37 <@Dagmar> Of course, it's all just meta-data so it's not actually looked at until they decide it's time to arrest you and all of your troublmaking friends. 15:37 <@Dagmar> It's not like they're actually spying on the citizenry 24/7/365 to keep civil unrest in check or anything. 15:38 <@Dagmar> The reason we have guns and don't up and fucking use them because we're more civilized than our fucking government. 15:38 <@Dagmar> We arne't the ones who escalate to using tear gas on lines of cops. 15:38 <@Corydon76-work> This is why y'all need to start growing facial hair to make yourself look like Guy Fawkes 15:38 <@Dagmar> We're not the ones who use softcore military weaponry as "riot control" on peacable crowds 15:39 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: I already have facial hair but I was shooting for more of that creepy guy just offered me candy in the van 15:39 <@Dagmar> We're not the ones who are suffering from an exceess of civil obedience. We're just trying to get through our fucking day with some dignity and self-respect. 15:39 <@Dagmar> ...and so far, the fucking savages have managed to *not* actually provoke us outright. 15:40 <@Dagmar> ...which has been a miracle, because I would have bet $20 it was about to all come crashing down last year during that one raid on the Occupy camp that had six different livestreams going on. 15:40 <@Dagmar> It was so obviously clear that what was going on wasn't legal, wasn't ethical, and was NOT was being reported to the media. 15:41 -!- PiLarry [~notlarry@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:41 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 42 nicks [19 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 23 normal] 15:41 <@Dagmar> The best things that _we_ as hackers can do, is to make sure that if things get that far again, that no amount of censorship or media spin can be brought to bear that could snuff out that fire of truth once it gets going. 15:41 <@Evilpig> how many {variable}Larry are we gonna get in here? 15:41 <@Dagmar> To be ready to throw up unstoppable mesh networks. 15:42 < PiLarry> Working my way back to one now that comcast fixored me 15:42 <@Dagmar> To be ready to teach people how to *actually* be anonymous, and the complexities of modern crypto 15:43 <@Dagmar> Guns might be needed, but only *very late* into the game. 15:43 <@Dagmar> ...and yes, if we get to that point, we *will* need them. 15:45 <@Mirage> The only thing about open force against the government, whether justifiable or not, is that the government will respond and escalate beyond anything reasonable or recessary. 15:45 <@Dagmar> Yep. 15:46 <@Dagmar> The only hope for a reasonable future lies in that we vastly outnumber them, and can survive whatever losses happen due to militarized police. 15:46 < PiLarry> Dagmar: took ice in to a gun store yesterday to look for a shoulder harness for my phone. Not really paying attentions to the owners, started talking about commiting mass murder and head shots and such before it hit me (when I made eyecontact) who oncomfortable the guy behind the counter was. I think they came out and wrote down my tag number as i drove off. 15:47 <@Dagmar> ol 15:47 <@Dagmar> l 15:47 <@Mirage> PiLarry: isn't that normal for any time you go near a gun store? 15:47 < PiLarry> Was asking eddie what ot took to get a gun in Tenn and he suggested there was a gun shop near where I live. nope 15:47 < PiLarry> Yeah, or a grade school 15:48 <@Dagmar> I guess they'll miss their fifteen minutes of fame for selling you the holster you shamelessly used to commit acts of random boredom with. 15:49 < PiLarry> Seriously, why does everyone look at me like Im crazy when I try to get a holster for the phone? against my ribs it never gets sat on or crushed against something I pick up on lean on . 15:49 <@Dagmar> PiLarry: Because pockets. 15:50 < PiLarry> Yeah, I find my self leaning on that part of my body. 15:50 <@Dagmar> Do you have a *gun* holster like that" 15:50 < PiLarry> I guess like a low slung pocket around theknees 15:50 <@Dagmar> Yeah I have one pair of slacks with knee pockets. 15:50 < PiLarry> I've carried computers and newtons on a hsoulder holster before. 15:50 <@Dagmar> Motherfuckers seem seriously averse to making momre 15:51 < PiLarry> you hear the new unix admin quit? 15:51 <@Dagmar> I heard something along those lines. 15:51 <@Dagmar> He still shows as available in Lync, so I'm guessinng he just turned in his notice. 15:51 <@Dagmar> Then again, Peter just shows as "away" now 15:51 < PiLarry> a couple of days I think 15:52 <@Dagmar> He gave a couple days' notice? 15:52 < PiLarry> Titus is starting to rag on brian for not getting shit done. 15:52 < PiLarry> Could be more. 15:52 <@Dagmar> That's okay, dumbfuck Ben started messaging me about somme ITS system problem on Monday 15:52 < PiLarry> This morning he was all "NotLarry, wft didn't you do the chagne I put in for last night and unrack those two servers? 15:53 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: did you say, sorry, not my dept? 15:53 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: I started to say "How about you check the motherfucking on call list, dumbass." 15:53 < PiLarry> I suggested he click the button that puts the change into pending so I can actualy see it. 15:53 <@Dagmar> Some of these other people I just laugh when I tell them "you know those systems are no longer my problem, right?" but that dipshit doesn't even try to pay attention 15:54 <@Dagmar> He's the ignorant sack of shit that determined it was acceptable to call me at nine in the fucking morning on a Saturday about a non-time-critical issue 15:54 <@Dagmar> I started to look up his home number and just post it all over the internet 15:55 <@Dagmar> PiLarry: Yeah, I jsut tell people "keep clicking the button until it stops working'" 15:55 <@Shadow404> ah, the best way to do that is spoof your ip on a proxy and post their IP to all kinds of estimate request callback forms 15:55 <@Shadow404> *phone number 15:56 <@Dagmar> Of course that was before that fuckup Hogan decided they needed to invent a new layer of delay management so they could be really incompatible with Pegasus 15:56 < nachoguy> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/eb9e/?srp=2 15:56 < GateKeeper> Title: ThinkGeek :: Secret Agent Phone Holster (at www.thinkgeek.com) 15:57 <@Dagmar> The "technical approver" position, under the guise of which Sean Johnson was formally allowed to meddle in every little thing I did. 15:57 <@Dagmar> If I hadn't transferred out, there *was* going to be a showdown over that shit. 15:57 <@Dagmar> Fucking making material changes to the game plan I have in mind for daily shit without at the very least consulting with me about it? 15:58 <@Dagmar> Oh, HELL no. 15:58 * Dickie cowers in fear 15:58 < NotLarry> What are the essentioal borg episodes? 15:59 <@Dagmar> Dickie: Example... I needed to increase the size of / on a machine by 512Mb because some dumbass thing they did incurred an increase in the amount of spaced used there. That filesystem basically _never changes_. 15:59 <@Dagmar> Dickie: Instead of just increasing the size of the goddamn underlying LUN, the motherfucker decided it needed a new 2Gb LUN. 15:59 <@Dagmar> ...which is fucking stupid. 15:59 <@Corydon76-work> Dickie: Yeah, bitch, beg for... Oh, wait, sorry, wrong room 15:59 <@Dagmar> So now it had a 20Gb LUN, and a 2Gb LUN. 15:59 <@brimstone> NotLarry: any episode with Jeri Ryan 16:00 <@Dagmar> Dickie: Tell me that's not just pointless tampering with shit 16:00 <@Dagmar> If he wanted to get into some kind of pissing match with me, he was going to be horrified to find out that I'll end it by actually pissing on him. 16:00 <@Dagmar> Not figuratively, either. 16:01 <@Dagmar> I was seriously getting ready to divert 110VAC to his cube's ethernet jacks 16:02 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: if you mix it right, he won't even be able to taste the piss in his coffee/tea 16:03 <@brimstone> that's what Tyler Durdin says 16:06 <@anarchival> Sorry I dropped out of the convo, sophrinix called 16:07 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I'm not advocating violent revolution. It's a dumb idea. I'm pointing out the disconnect between "we'll fight 'em for our rights!" and the reality that Americans aren't really ready to run into the cannons for liberty. 16:08 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Occupy had the more effective idea, in terms of nonviolent resistance, but every case of nonviolent resistance (including the really effective ones, like Ghandi and MLK), they were met with extremely violent responses from their government 16:09 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Whether we resist violently or nonviolently, the government is going to respond with force. People are going to get hurt and possibly die. It's a gruesome game of chicken against the government's willingness to hurt its own citizens. 16:10 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I don't blame Occupy for breaking under the violence, but that's what the government was hoping would happen. 16:16 <@Dagmar> They didn't "break". They were mostly _in jail_ 16:17 <@anarchival> Dagmar: The movement broke. They were there, there were sweeping violent crackdowns nationwide, and now they are no more. Whether they're in jail or free and underground or working 9 to 5 like good little citizens is immaterial. 16:17 <@Dagmar> They were getting fucking arrested right and left because the fucking FBI was basically running errands for BofA using the NSA's magic wiretap powers to consider them "domestic terrorists" but not *really* because they wouldn't be able to fly that to the press and get away with it, but it was enough to get the inside scoop on who knows who, who to arrest, and when 16:18 <@anarchival> Dagmar: This isn't any different than what was done to Civil Rights activists in the 60s. 16:18 <@Dagmar> We don't have to ask about whether or not the NSA's wiretapping is something that can be abused because we damn well watched it happen. 16:19 <@anarchival> Dagmar: The tech is better now, sure, but the tactics to infiltrate and destroy the movement are still the same. 16:19 <@Dagmar> Sure, but there's not much that can be done against faceless people 16:20 <@Dagmar> ...who can broadcast what's happening and why to everywhere. 16:20 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Frankly this is why op sec is more important than even how to throw up a mesh network. The real problem is good old fashioned social engineering by government agencies. 16:20 <@Dagmar> If you don't have security discipline you're just playing games 16:20 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Although you're right, we have the capability to be our own media now which is very very important when the news agencies aren't even covering the shit. 16:20 <@Dagmar> I may or may not have two alternate ids running around. 16:21 <@Dagmar> You'll never ever see me admit to them, or have them touching anything I touch 16:21 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Good boy. :) 16:22 <@Dagmar> Sitting at home that night watching no less than four live streams of cops violating the rights of the citizenry, using military force against unarmed civilians behaving peaceably, I was *furious* 16:23 <@Dagmar> Most major news networks just acting like nothing was going on 16:23 <@Dagmar> Fuck allowing that to happen again. 16:23 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Yeah, I didn't even attend Occupy until the night after the Governor cracked down on them with the State Troopers. 16:23 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Then, of course, I had to go. 16:23 <@Dagmar> anarchival: I didn't come to the one here because I know the FBI knows who I am 16:23 <@Dagmar> I show up, shit could get serious on those hippies 16:23 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I supported them as much as I could prior to that online, of course. That's even why the EC has me blocked. 16:23 <@Dagmar> I gotta get back to working on (and testing) my discretionary enhancement tech 16:24 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Groovy. 16:24 <@Dagmar> I have misgivings about what high levels of bright flashy IR might do to eyes real quiet like 16:24 <@Dagmar> Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not cooking your retinas 16:24 <@Dagmar> It definitely does a fucking number on electronic cameras 16:25 <@Dagmar> The masks arne't subtle, but they're the safest things at the moment 16:25 <@anarchival> Dagmar: The FBI opened their file on me when I was twelve. I don't let it rule my life. 16:25 <@Dagmar> lol 16:26 <@Dagmar> I think JonnyX and I have you beat 16:26 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Then again I avoid the TBI mostly because I dated an agent for awhile who still sends me sad drunk emails occasionally, but that's different. 16:26 <@Dagmar> We both had some sociology assignment in grade school (like 5th grade I think) where we had to write to a foriegn embassy saying we were considering travel there and would like to know momre about the place. 16:26 <@Dagmar> Our countries were picked out of hats. 16:26 <@Dagmar> I got Iraq. 16:27 <@Dagmar> I think JonnyX got Iran or something. 16:27 <@anarchival> Dagmar: lol 16:27 <@Dagmar> They noticed. 16:27 <@Dagmar> They're good at keeping track of information basically, forever. 16:27 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I'll tell you the story about the FBI confiscating my modem sometime. It's pretty funny. 16:28 <@Dagmar> heh 16:28 <@Dagmar> Probably better than what would happen nowadays 16:28 <@Dagmar> Anything a three-letter takes, they're going to keep 16:28 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I'm pretty sure I didn't get into serious trouble simply because I looked like a cute little six year old girl. 16:28 <@Dagmar> I certainly won't be using it again afterwards 16:29 <@anarchival> Dagmar: The expression on the agents' faces when I opened the door and told them I was who they were looking for was pretty priceless. 16:29 <@Dagmar> heh 16:30 * anarchival is grateful that being a woman in technology has its advantages. 16:30 <@Shadow404> anarchival: i got visited by the fed over this: www.shadow404.com/125 16:30 <@Dagmar> I more than half suspect I only got a phone call when I was 13 because, well, I was 13. 16:30 <@Dagmar> It would have been embarassing for the Pentagon to explain 16:30 <@anarchival> Shadow404: Jesus Christ! All I did was hack a NASA computer. I can't believe you got away with things that go boom. 16:31 <@Dagmar> anarchival: They get really wiggy about explosives 16:31 <@Shadow404> anarchival: Dagmar: it was about someone that contact me abotu it 16:31 <@Dagmar> ...probably because once you get the knack of it, there's rather a lot of stuff that can be made to go boom. 16:31 <@Shadow404> they were all for me posting the info for educational purposes 16:31 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: 'ja send 'em a pic of Mark Pauline's hands? 16:31 <@Shadow404> nope 16:32 <@anarchival> Shadow404: Simpler, more innocent times. 16:32 <@Shadow404> overall, wasnt a horrible experience 16:32 <@Dagmar> It should generally be enough to dissuade most people from fucking around 16:32 <@Shadow404> still scared the shit out of me 16:32 <@Dagmar> "THIS MOFO HAS A FUCKING TOE ON HIS HAND" 16:32 <@Dagmar> Fear is not useful. 16:32 <@Dagmar> Excepting when you can give of it freely to others. 16:33 <@Shadow404> yeah, i bascially ignored the guys email as it was very suspect, engrish at its worst 16:33 <@Shadow404> and was structured in a way that was devious 16:33 <@Dagmar> Hm... THey might have taken an interest because you didn't obviously respond 16:33 <@Shadow404> but they visited my dad's house first as the email address was his att account 16:34 <@Shadow404> on his email account 16:34 <@Dagmar> I bet they figured you respondeed but they missed it 16:34 <@Shadow404> and then visited my ex-wives house (was dating at th etime) 16:34 <@Shadow404> then my work 16:34 <@Dagmar> I had a few people inquire about me messing with nitro once. 16:34 <@Shadow404> that was fun 16:35 <@Dagmar> My answer is and always will be "you will blow your fucking hands off" 16:35 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Wasn't there plutonium in the basement at Javanco, or was that just a scary campfire story you and JohnnyX liked to tell the other kids? 16:35 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: which is why i have a huge disclaimer 16:35 <@Dagmar> anarchival: It wasn't just casually radioactive rocks. It was goddamn fuel rods for a nuclear sub 16:36 <@Dagmar> The Navy had a little oops and surplused them with a bunch of other shit by mistake. 16:36 <@Dagmar> Javanco was buying surplussed stuff by the pallet because it was cheap 16:36 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Why didn't we build a submarine, then? I'm so disappointed. 16:36 <@Dagmar> Joel saw these odd things, called the Navy, and they wouldn't really talk about it on the phone but some guys in the sterotypical chromed helmets along with a guy wearing a lot of gold olive branches showed up the next day 16:37 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: have you considered whether close contact with plutonium might be the reason you don't have any kids? 16:37 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Oh, I see. They reported it. Well I guess that's the right way to go. 16:37 <@Dagmar> I'm fine with the idea of making a submarine. I'm not fine with the idea of exeperimentally involving a bunch of radioactive shit with it 16:37 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: No, I'm pretty sure fissionables don't cause INTJ personalities 16:38 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I remember Becky being like, "Cool! Let's go see it!" and I being like, "uhhhhh...no thanks?" 16:38 <@Corydon76-work> Plutonium is some really nasty shit. It is literally warm to the touch 16:38 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Well, the first thing that comes to *my* mind (as well as Joel's) when you just stumble upon things that make a geiger counter giggle is "just how radioactive is this shit?" 16:39 <@Dagmar> Followed by "I bet someone's looking for this, and they're quietly freaking out a bit" 16:39 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: actually, I bet nobody was looking for it, which was precisely the problem 16:40 <@Dagmar> If someone wasn't aware of it's absence I doubt they would ahve sent chrome helmets and someone with gold braids up the next day 16:40 <@Dagmar> They would have called back 16:40 <@Dagmar> Instead, they showed up on site. 16:41 <@Dagmar> That tells me that some people were aware and very interested in seeing those come back. 16:41 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: They've got old nukes just sitting in the fucking hallway over in Oak Ridge. Nuclear security? Psht. 16:41 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: Uh, make an allegation that you have radioactive stuff on premises, and you're lucky they didn't show up in protective suits and whisk you off to the hospital 16:41 <@Dagmar> These were very specific things 16:41 <@Dagmar> ,..with part numbers. 16:42 <@Dagmar> ...which were bought by someone the media would have billed as an "eccentric junk dealer" if they were feeling generous 16:42 <@Dagmar> ...for less than #200. 16:42 <@Dagmar> er $200. 16:42 <@Corydon76-work> Yep 16:42 <@Dagmar> Javanco got a lot of weird shit that way 16:42 <@Dagmar> A whole medical scanner at one point 16:43 <@Dagmar> Something m-i machine or other 16:43 <@Dagmar> Complete with manuals and assembly instructions. 16:43 <@Corydon76-work> That's actually the amazing part. That the manuals and assembly instructions were still with the unit 16:44 <@Corydon76-work> Usually, that's the first stuff that gets somebody's Coke spilled on it, and it gets tossed 16:45 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: The manuals were probably worth more than the hardware. 16:45 <@Corydon76-work> Or was this a brand new unit, probably stored in a warehouse, either for parts or a quick replacement? 16:45 <@Dagmar> That's what it looked like to me 16:45 <@Dagmar> Somme of the parts were in white boxes 16:45 <@Dagmar> Some were wrapped in thick clear shrink-wrapped plastic 16:46 <@Corydon76-work> I've seen lots of brand new shit, which were basically just the cold swaps, and when the old unit was upgraded, they surplused the cold swap, too 16:46 <@Dagmar> It looked to me like the units peices were all in one place because they might be getting ready to sell it to someone when the company closed down 16:46 <@Dagmar> It might have been a cold swap build 16:47 <@Dagmar> At least a year's worth of dust on the wrap and boxes tho 16:47 <@Dagmar> MRI machine. 16:47 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, sounds very likely 16:47 <@Corydon76-work> Probably was never even at the hospital, just stuck in a warehouse for the entire time 16:47 <@Dagmar> Probably so 16:48 <@Corydon76-work> Heh, I'm reminded of the quote from "Contact"... why buy one, when you can buy two, for twice the price? 16:48 <@Dagmar> Considering how much markup MUST be involved, I'm not suprised 16:49 <@Dagmar> Thes stuff that was shrinkwrapped was very clearly aluminum and steel parts that, at a guess, were wrapped immediately following being taken off the lathes 16:49 <@Dagmar> They weren't exactly mass-produced or injection molded. 16:50 <@Corydon76-work> Well, what's the world-wide market for an MRI machine, really? 16:50 <@Dagmar> So, with that in mind, most of the parts themselves wouldn't be very expensive 16:50 <@Corydon76-work> It would cost more to build the molds than you'd ever get from production of a single unit 16:50 <@Dagmar> The machine itself is mostly a big-ass frame for holding a large ass magnet very still 16:52 <@Corydon76-work> Heh, my boss just tried to sell me a 72-hour kit 16:52 <@anarchival> http://benbuchanan.com.au/3d-printing-brain-from-mri-scan/ 16:52 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.augasonfarms.com/Emergency-Food-Supply-72-Hour-2-Person-UPC-78716-20130 16:52 < GateKeeper> Title: 72 Hour 2-Person Emergency Kit (at www.augasonfarms.com) 16:52 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Let me know when it can reproduce synaptic activity 16:52 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Just tell him one word "Maruchan" 16:53 <@Dagmar> Raw ramen is about as tasty as a plastic Brillo pad, but it's edible and will keep ya alive 16:53 <@Corydon76-work> 20 year shelf life 16:55 <@Corydon76-work> My response was, in this area, the danger of a tornado hitting and destroying my house would be where any such pack would be stored 16:55 <@Dagmar> Well, at least it's people food. 16:55 <@Corydon76-work> Cat food is edible, if it came down to that 16:55 <@Dagmar> I was super glad to see that survival store that popped up on 4th before 2000 get nailed for selling _horse kibble_ as emergency rations 16:56 <@Dagmar> It's simply _not_ legal to sell animal feed to humans as food. 16:56 <@anarchival> Most of my emergency supplies perished in the flood. Oh, the irony. 16:56 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: During the flood, both roads out of here were underwater 16:56 <@anarchival> Although I did actually leave the house with my 72 hour kit. Luckily, we were able to check into a hotel instead of pitching a FEMA tent. 16:56 <@Dagmar> Meh. I had no electricity for a week, so at one point I got a refresher about what raw ramen tastes like 16:56 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: We drove through standing water in order to get out. 16:57 <@Dagmar> Largely I just ate _slightly_ more fast food than usual 16:57 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: If we had waited fifteen more minutes, we would have been hauled off our roof by EM boats twelve hours later with the rest of my neighbors. 16:57 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: I learned at one point that ramen NEEDS boiling water to soften 16:57 <@Dagmar> Uhh yes. 16:57 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Some people who did the exact same thing we did actually died, so we caught a break there. 16:57 <@Dagmar> You don't get nutrients from it without working for them. heh 16:58 <@Corydon76-work> crunch crunch crunch 16:58 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Most of us are a little more survival-driven than that 16:58 <@Dagmar> During the Tornado Uprising in 96, I didn't even see rain for the latter half of the day 16:59 <@Corydon76-work> And in terms of the roads out of here, I didn't even check. I was happy to stay put. 16:59 <@Dagmar> I'd stop somewhere, check radar, plot where was safe for the next 30-90 minutes, then move to that new location, and repeat 16:59 <@Corydon76-work> I only learned later how underwater the roads were (guard rails junked with debris and bent over) 16:59 <@Dagmar> You bet your ass I knew what was going to be underwater and where the nearest high ground was when the flooding happened 17:00 <@anarchival> I actually used Twitter to figure out which roads were washed out, to get out of the way of the water. 17:00 <@Dagmar> ...although my neighbors thought I was a nut for already having the flood maps for the neighborhood printed out 17:00 <@Dagmar> I was more concerned about Wolf Creek Dam failing at the time 17:00 <@anarchival> Probably could have done the same thing with a ham radio, but didn't have one. 17:00 <@Corydon76-work> The 100-year flood plain is 4 feet below the reference floor of my house. 17:00 <@Corydon76-work> Unfortunately, we had a 1,000-year flood event. 17:01 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Yep. I was holding my breath over Wolf Creek. 17:01 <@Dagmar> Corydon: How about that... it's about 4 feet below the floor of my apartmnet. ;) 17:01 <@Dagmar> anarchival: It being sketch as fuck was why I had those maps printed out 17:01 <@Dagmar> Also, I can almost pee into the Cumberland from my balcony. 17:01 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: a week before closing on my house, they casually called and said, "Oh, by the way, you need flood insurance" 17:01 <@Dagmar> I *could* after the flood (and I did. So there) 17:02 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Yeah, it took a bite out of a few houses in your neighborhood, didn't it? 17:02 <@Dagmar> If we see shit like that goiing down again I'm mobilizing the damn neighbors to sandbag some shit 17:02 <@Corydon76-work> First house I ever bought and I was panicked. Then we found the elevation certificate on file with the county 17:02 <@anarchival> We're about a quarter mile from the river. Never expected it to flood here, but now I know. 17:02 <@Corydon76-work> Bastards! 17:03 <@Dagmar> anarchival: The lower floor apartments in my building got about two feet of water in them 17:03 <@anarchival> http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=ohx&gage=belt1 17:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service: Nashville: Harpeth River at Bellevue (at water.weather.gov) 17:03 <@Dagmar> I was more concerned about erosive force, but that was a concern I wasn't going to share with my neighbors 17:03 <@Dagmar> ...what with the buildings fucking vibrating. 17:04 <@Dagmar> It turns out when there's about a million gallons of water flowing by over terrain it doesn't normally, it makes the ground thrum a little. 17:04 <@anarchival> Dagmar: My condo got 4.5 feet of water. 17:04 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: I'm actually kind of curious what they do with all the sandbags AFTER the flood. 17:04 <@Dagmar> If there hadn't been a large open field across the river to take the brunt of it, it would have washed our shit away 17:04 <@Dagmar> Man made vollyball courts, man 17:05 <@Corydon76-work> Heh 17:05 <@Corydon76-work> So your apartment complex got a beach volleyball court? 17:05 <@Dagmar> No, but it might in the guture 17:05 <@Dagmar> er future. Ther'e a volleyball net up 17:05 <@Dagmar> Our problem would have ben where to get the sand from 17:06 <@Dagmar> I was willing to take my chances with recycling every grocery bag in my cabinets, filled with dirt. 17:06 <@Corydon76-work> Actually, creating such might be a good way to have a cache of sand on-site, so it's there long before the floods come and you need it 17:06 <@Dagmar> I've probably got 1,000 of the goddamn things 17:06 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, me too 17:06 <@Dagmar> I did the math on that. The volume of sand we'd need would make 3-4 courts 17:06 <@Corydon76-work> I need to take them to Kroger to have them recycled 17:07 <@Corydon76-work> What's the depth of the sand on the court? 17:07 <@Corydon76-work> A foot? 17:07 <@Dagmar> ...but we could sure as hell shovel up a foot of the entire greens in the middle and build a 2.75 foot high wall 75 yards long 17:07 <@Dagmar> Some of the people make me wonder how come their family tree still exists 17:08 <@anarchival> Yeah, I think that digging a mote might be a better solution than trying to locate sand. 17:08 <@anarchival> s/mote/moat 17:08 <@Corydon76-work> Moat doesn't help with water rising 17:08 <@Dagmar> I tell them point blank "this water will be unsafe and tainted because it is floodwater which contains, among other things, backwash from sewers" 17:08 <@Dagmar> They're still out there in little fucking kiddie rafts 17:08 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-work: Then you didnt dig it deep enough 17:08 <@Dagmar> Every single one of those motherfuckers got good and sick from that too 17:08 <@anarchival> If you're familiar enough with your topography, you can direct the water away from you with a simple moat. 17:09 <@anarchival> It's amazing how water chooses to flow. 17:10 <@Corydon76-work> A moat or a levy? 17:10 <@Corydon76-work> (Or levee) 17:10 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yes. 17:10 <@benthemeek> ls 17:10 <@benthemeek> (wrong window) 17:10 <@Corydon76-work> Opposite topological shapes 17:11 <@Dagmar> A moat may help you with running water. 17:11 <@Dagmar> It will not help with a shitton of water. 17:11 <@Dagmar> heh 17:11 <@Dagmar> There was sort of a moat around Casa de Ocala 17:12 <@Dagmar> ..because Metro took forever to fix the flood plain issue there, so roughly four square miles of rainfall was being run right across our street 17:12 <@Dagmar> If it rained hard, we had to get out there to clear the moat, or the water would run right into the house 17:12 <@anarchival> The places around Bellevue with man-made lakes actually faired a little better than places which did not have any water collection, which I thought was interesting. 17:12 <@Dagmar> Probably because they had a plan 17:12 <@Corydon76-work> Would have been nice if there was an actual moat in the back, to prevent the rain from coming in under the sliding glass door 17:12 <@Dagmar> Somwhere for the water to go that wasn't "wherever it damn well pleases" 17:13 <@anarchival> That's one reason why there are so many ponds around Maryland Farms; the stormwater needs to go someplace, so it's directed into those. 17:13 <@Dagmar> Corydon: It was around the gravel parking area 17:13 -!- NotLarry_ [~quassel@2601:5:1880:343:dc73:ea3b:24d3:ee52] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:13 -!- NotLarry [~quassel@2601:5:1880:343:dc73:ea3b:24d3:ee52] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:13 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, okay 17:14 <@Dagmar> What was getting under the patio doors was generally runoff from the *roof* that could overwhelm the gutters because it can definitely rain like hell here when it wants to 17:14 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, whoever built that house wasn't thinking about rain flowing in the back 17:14 <@Dagmar> The flooding problem was Metro's fuckup 17:14 <@Dagmar> After Dru and I left they finally got it sorted 17:15 <@Dagmar> Storm drains stopped bursting out of the side of the street along Nolensville Road as well 17:15 <@Dagmar> Noah apparently didn't have a flooding incident even *once* 17:15 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Ironically enough. 17:15 <@anarchival> :) 17:16 <@Dagmar> I mean, when you can walk outside and see than there's 2-3 inches of *flowing* surface water, you know something is fucked 17:16 <@anarchival> Okay, I've got to hop in the shower before I go to the store before I meet northrup to study for the ham test... 17:16 <@Corydon76-work> That reminds me. I need to wet-vac the car 17:16 <@anarchival> Chat with you later. 17:17 <@Corydon76-work> When you don't drive for weeks, and it gets cold, the moisture in the air and soak the rug 17:17 <@Corydon76-work> s/and/can/ 17:17 <@Dagmar> Now is probably not a good time for that 17:17 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, is it raining? 17:17 <@Dagmar> No, it's fucking cold as hell 17:17 <@Dagmar> Just go to Publix and buy one of those 20 pound bags of rice annd toss it into teh back seat 17:18 <@Dagmar> Close the vents, roll up the windows, wait 2 days. heh 17:18 <@Dagmar> Betcha it becomes a 25-lb bag of rice. What a deal! 17:19 <@Corydon76-work> Uh, yeah, which I then toss in the trash, because, ugh 17:19 <@Dagmar> hehe 17:19 <@Dagmar> I just find it amusing that more rice than I ever want to eat at once is only $11 17:19 <@Corydon76-work> Or I could get a can of dessicant at Lowe's 17:20 <@Dagmar> Yep there's that option. 17:20 <@Dagmar> ...but that stuff always tastes kinda off afterwards. 17:20 <@Dagmar> ...although it's reuseable. 17:20 <@Corydon76-work> Um, tastes? 17:20 <@Corydon76-work> Sure, it's reusable, if you care to bake it in your oven 17:20 <@Dagmar> They wouldn't put "DO NOT EAT" on the little bags if they werne't trying to hide something 17:20 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: microwave actually 17:21 <@Corydon76-work> I've always heard oven, and since the microwave can do odd things, I'm not inclined to experiment 17:21 <@Dagmar> It can make them act like popcorn if you're a nutter and put a small amount ni there and set the fucking thing on high 17:22 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: ditto...most of the "rechargable" packs i've seen call for baking 4-8hrs 17:22 <@Dagmar> Put a moderate amount in there and use the 'reheat' or 'pizza' button and it's pretty straightforward 17:22 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, and not knowing, "High" is my usual setting 17:22 <@Dagmar> Those modes generally start out high and then taper off 17:23 <@Corydon76-work> I've found that the Defrost cycle is great for melting butter 17:23 <@Dagmar> ...which is useful because you want to excite the water molecules enough to GTFO, but not so much that they make supercharged steam rage 17:24 <@Dagmar> Sodium silical gel, much like elastic bands, doesn't tolerate overcooking well. 17:25 <@Dagmar> SOMEWHERE in my apartment is a shoebox full of the goddamn things 17:25 <@Dagmar> I had time to experiment 17:25 <@Dagmar> None of it ever blew up 17:29 <@Corydon76-work> I need to actually start saving those, instead of just tossing them 17:29 <@Corydon76-work> btw, how do you get them out of the plastic cylinders that typically come in pill bottles? 17:29 <@Dagmar> I was collecting them as a joke, at first. 17:29 <@Dagmar> ...and then I managed to drop my cell phone into the toilet. 17:30 <@Corydon76-work> I assume you've figured out a technique that avoids stabbing yourself in the fingers 17:30 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: I never collected that kind. I only collected the kind that come in those sketchy fabric bags 17:30 <@Dagmar> ...beccause they're already flat, so I woudln't really need to tear into them (and have little beads IN THE EVERYWHERE, FOREVER) 17:31 <@Corydon76-work> Do you microwave them in the bags, or do you remove them? 17:31 <@Dagmar> I was microwaving them in the bags 17:31 <@Dagmar> I did manage to get a few to discolor fromm overheating 17:31 <@Dagmar> *Some* (very few) change color from pale blue to pink 17:32 <@Dagmar> ...but after carefully rinsing the phone out (because well, yay for whiz in the phone) it took a day to dry the thing out completely 17:33 <@Dagmar> Nokia makes a damn tough candybar 17:33 <@Dagmar> I bet that motherfucker still works. 17:34 <@Corydon76-work> I think we need a way to get Ware to answer and hold a phone up to his face that has been previously covered in piss. 17:35 < nachoguy> Just have Shadow404 give him a warm corona bottle 17:36 < nachoguy> he tried that at pn6 17:36 <@Dagmar> I think if you really tried, you could probably get him to pee on his own face 17:36 <@Corydon76-work> I don't know what made me think of that, but it makes me giggle 17:41 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Quit: benthemeek] 17:46 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.148.2.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:35 <@Shadow404> ouch, so i got old hard drive plugged into usb enclosure, you can hear the drive heads scrapping that platter 18:36 <@Shadow404> and transfer is like 294kb/sec 18:36 <@Shadow404> ouch 18:36 <@Shadow404> just crossing fingers i can get all data off before it completely fails on e 18:36 <@Shadow404> *me 18:44 <@Shadow404> highest priority is game saves on steamm (already got the webserver files), and then pron folder 18:50 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 18:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 18:56 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has left #se2600 [] 18:58 -!- RangerZ1 [~walker@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:03 <@Evilpig> http://www.dhl-usa.com/content/us/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=1630321103%0D%0A 19:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Tracking, Track Parcels, Packages, Shipments | DHL Express Tracking (at www.dhl-usa.com) 19:03 <@Evilpig> overnight from china. wow 19:03 <@Shadow404> lucky, i havent received the item yet that was shipped jan 3rd 19:05 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:05 < RangerZ> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/01/15/239235/microsoft-extends-updates-for-windows-xp-security-products-until-july-2015 19:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Microsoft Extends Updates For Windows XP Security Products Until July 2015 - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org) 19:05 < RangerZ> interesting 19:05 < RangerZ> i'm surprised 19:09 * Dagmar copypastes to the New Shipping Destination page 19:10 <@Dagmar> http://www.dhl-usa.com/content/us/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL 19:10 < GateKeeper> Title: Tracking, Track Parcels, Packages, Shipments | DHL Express Tracking (at www.dhl-usa.com) 19:10 <@Dagmar> derp 19:21 <@Dagmar> Interesting. 19:21 <@Dagmar> I just got what looks like a legit email from Target. 19:21 <@Dagmar> Sent by bfi0.com... 19:22 < RangerZ> nice 19:22 <@Dagmar> They're talking about the data breach. 19:22 < RangerZ> aren't you glad your CC info got stolen? 19:22 <@Dagmar> I do not have a Target card. 19:22 <@Dagmar> I have never had a single reason to give target my email address. 19:22 < RangerZ> ohh, just blind target phising 19:22 <@Dagmar> So the question becomes, where the fuck did they get it 19:22 <@Dagmar> There's nothing pernicious I can find in this email 19:22 < RangerZ> did you shop there in the target time? 19:22 <@Dagmar> Considering that target time is now pretty fucking large, yeah 19:23 < RangerZ> derp... "target" time 19:23 <@Dagmar> I've just never given them my email address. 19:23 < RangerZ> ohh, but they buy that info 19:23 < RangerZ> from other marketers 19:23 <@Dagmar> So... I would like to know who the fuck is selling email adresses from people's credit card numbers. 19:23 <@Dagmar> Because I will murder them. 19:23 < RangerZ> ++ 19:23 <@Dagmar> It's time to be a dick to people. 19:24 <@Dagmar> because I'm going to fucking find out 19:24 < RangerZ> good luck on that 19:32 <@Dagmar> Oh I think the simple question of whether or not this database of email addresses correlated to credit card numbers is secure or being disclosed to customers is a very sharp little bit of metal. 19:35 < RangerZ> aye 19:35 <@Dagmar> lol. 19:35 <@Dagmar> Go to www.target.com 19:35 <@Dagmar> "You attempted to reach www.target.com, but instead you actually reached a server identifying itself as a248.e.akamai.net. This may be caused by a misconfiguration on the server or by something more serious. An attacker on your network could be trying to get you to visit a fake (and potentially harmful) version of www.target.com." 19:36 <@Dagmar> Over https mind you 19:36 < RangerZ> nice 19:36 < RangerZ> apparently its their host 19:36 <@Dagmar> I think perhaps Target's people will be a little too busy tomorrow 19:37 < RangerZ> perhaps 19:37 <@Dagmar> It kinda tells me someone's misconfigured their cloud management agile methodology clouds 19:38 <@Dagmar> A quick pass at the "forgot my password?" link verifies their website doesn't know shit about me 19:38 <@Dagmar> Hmm... Epsilon has their very own opt-out thingie 19:38 <@Dagmar> OKay maybe I don't have to skin someone alive 19:43 < RangerZ> boo 19:43 < RangerZ> i would have enjoyed watching the news reports about that 19:43 <@Dagmar> You may still get to see some 19:43 <@Dagmar> What they're doing is uber stalky. 19:43 < RangerZ> to see them breaking into the state of the union because of the massacre and severity 19:43 <@Dagmar> I imagine there's probably some disclosure laws being violated somewhere by it. 19:44 <@Dagmar> No just wait for that idiot at the beauty salon in Brentwood to fail to find a new marketing firm for that 19:44 <@Dagmar> They spammed all of campus 19:44 < RangerZ> I didn't get that one 19:44 <@Dagmar> Not realizing that some of the campus are fucking psychos about it 19:45 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah, I called them up and told them point blank that they were dealing with criminals. 19:45 <@Dagmar> "I'm a middle-aged white male, ma'am. What on earth would make you think I need a facial?" 19:46 < RangerZ> she met you once? 19:46 <@Dagmar> "The email address list the marketers have was almost certainly harvested by someone who gained illicit access to our Exchange infrastructure." 19:46 < RangerZ> lol 19:46 <@Dagmar> Hey I've gotten a manicure but that was a cash transaction 19:47 < RangerZ> lol 19:47 <@Dagmar> I did also mention "Well, I could have just *shown up* at your salon and demanded answers, but people tend to use words like 'terrifying' to describe the experience." 19:47 <@Dagmar> I suspect if they have any sense they'll vet their marketing consultants more carefully in the future. 19:47 < aestetix_> ugh 19:47 < aestetix_> WHY, twitter! 19:47 < aestetix_> This new design is ugly! 19:48 <@Dagmar> You use their _website_? 19:48 <@Dagmar> Whassit... "Philistine" I'm supposed to call you or something? 19:48 < RangerZ> they have a website? 19:49 < RangerZ> honestly... whats the difference? 19:49 < RangerZ> its ugly, and un-useful 19:49 <@Dagmar> The lady at the salon at one point tried to tell me that people get commercial emails in their inboxes all the time. 19:49 < aestetix_> http://i.imgur.com/r866D0r.png 19:49 < aestetix_> so fucking ugly 19:49 < RangerZ> ehh 19:49 < RangerZ> I don't see a big difference 19:49 < RangerZ> UI has always sucked 19:49 <@Dagmar> I informed her with no hint of a giggle "Yes, and I remember a time when we hunted those senders for sport." 19:49 < RangerZ> now it just has rounded edges 19:50 <@Dagmar> "No, I am not making a joke." 19:50 <@Dagmar> Ah the halcyon days of SPUTUM 19:51 < RangerZ> yeah... I remember OhioNet, we did the same thing 19:51 <@Dagmar> Some of hte coverage in the media about this breach is just sad 19:51 < RangerZ> 'some' ? 19:51 <@Dagmar> I saw a reporter this morning saying that the people who stole the data couldn't sell it because it was far too much data for one transaction 19:51 < RangerZ> lulz 19:52 <@Dagmar> I emailed them to tell them to stick to writing "ten best" lists, because this type of reporting was beyond their abilities. 19:53 <@Dagmar> I guess I'll go ahead and try and pick a time where I can reasonably swap to a new debit card 19:54 <@Dagmar> THe current one was going to expire this year anyway 19:54 <@Dagmar> ...because now I know that at least one company that has no business touching my shit has it on file. 19:55 <@Dagmar> $20,000 dollars of damages with eggs, by the way? 19:55 <@Dagmar> I guess we know that not only is Justin Beiber a douche, but that his neighbors are as well. 19:57 < RangerZ> huh? 19:57 <@Dagmar> I dont' go looking for this shit in the news... it's just spammed in all the damn feeds and Reddit 19:57 <@Dagmar> Apparently there was a big kerfluffle this morning as the police did a search warrant on Justin Beiber's house 19:57 <@Dagmar> ...because apparently he threw some eggs at his neighbor's house. 19:58 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I'm supposed to use a twitter "app"? 19:58 <@Dagmar> ...which would normally not mean shit, except that the neighbor is apparently alleging this did $20,000 in damage. 19:58 < RangerZ> lies... we know you have your google alert for Justin Beiber right next to your one about Rainbow Bright cosplay girls 19:58 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Like literally everyone else on the planet, if you care about the formatting yeah 19:58 < aestetix_> Do you recommend one? 19:58 <@Dagmar> Appy things just pull the text and show it to you 19:58 < aestetix_> This design is so fucking ugly I may just switch 19:59 < RangerZ> though... to be honest... I have seen some sexy rainbow bright costumes 19:59 <@Dagmar> There's like 30 fucking apps for it on the Play store 19:59 <@Dagmar> A few that don't even use AdMob 19:59 < RangerZ> tweetdeck is what most people use 19:59 < RangerZ> but he doesn't have a smart phone 19:59 <@Dagmar> WHAT?! 19:59 <@Dagmar> Goddamnit man 20:00 <@Dagmar> We can have computers in our goddamn shirt pocket now and you DON'T have one? 20:00 < RangerZ> just go buy a fucking virgin mobile one, and never connect it to the internet 20:00 < RangerZ> from walmart 20:00 <@Dagmar> Hell you don't really have to connect any of them to the internet 20:00 <@Dagmar> er phone nerwork 20:00 <@Dagmar> something 20:01 <@Dagmar> There's the nexus 4 which is just basically a portable nerding machine 20:01 <@Dagmar> No wait, that one has phone too 20:02 <@Dagmar> Anyway if you're basically soaking in wireless all day *anyway* it's a bit handy to have an Android device now 20:02 < aestetix_> Uh 20:02 <@Dagmar> I know there's a few phone-sized tablets out there 20:03 <@Evilpig> http://www.automatic.com/ 20:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Automatic: An Auto Accessory to Make You a Smarter Driver (at www.automatic.com) 20:03 <@Evilpig> my boss just picked one of these up 20:03 <@Evilpig> kinda neat. seems a little overpriced 20:03 <@Dagmar> If you have to drive a lot it *might* save you some money 20:04 < aestetix_> I have no desire for a twitter device :p 20:04 <@Dagmar> aestetix: it's also a Facebook device, and a G+ device, and a general gobbler of RSS feeds device 20:05 <@Dagmar> This is a step towards omniscience through technology 20:05 <@Dagmar> Hell, I wind up using mine when I'm working on the bike, even 20:06 < aestetix_> So if I don't use Facebook or Google.... 20:06 <@Dagmar> The pictures in the repair manual suck a dick anyway, and it'll play music at me while I'm trying not to use the wrench like a hammer 20:07 <@Dagmar> So far it's been easier to deal with than the printed out version of the manual I have, just because you can't grep dead trees, basically. 20:08 <@Dagmar> So... lots of places with wifi now 20:09 <@Dagmar> Who wants to file a patent on "broadcasting" mp3's similar to a radio station for people based on their present geographic location (as determined by the AP) 20:09 <@Dagmar> ...because you could sell ads on it. 20:09 <@Dagmar> SOP MANY LICENCINGS 20:09 <@Dagmar> s/SOP/SO/ 20:10 <@Dagmar> Not really widely profitable *now*, but it might be worth drafting just to stick on a website and go "fuck you. prior art." later 20:11 <@Shadow404> woot woot, backed up data from dying drive successfully 20:12 < aestetix_> Ok so 20:12 < aestetix_> What is the most bare bones phone I could get that can store contacts and SMS on the sd card 20:13 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-50-152-33-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 20:14 < RangerZ> the one we linked the other day 20:14 < RangerZ> the nokia one 20:14 < RangerZ> but there are cheaper android phones that will do it 20:14 < aestetix_> hmm 20:14 < aestetix_> RangerZ: ok, I guess I'll go with that 20:14 < RangerZ> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Virgin-LG-Optimus-F3-Prepaid-Cell-Phone/26923420 20:14 < GateKeeper> Title: Virgin LG Optimus Cell Phone,F3 - Walmart.com (at www.walmart.com) 20:14 < RangerZ> 80$ 20:15 < RangerZ> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kyocera-Rise-Cell-Phone/21778113 40$ W/Keyboard 20:15 < GateKeeper> Title: Kyocera Rise Cell Phone - Walmart.com (at www.walmart.com) 20:15 < RangerZ> mind you, those are sprint network 20:15 < RangerZ> but still, you get the point 20:16 < RangerZ> straight talk uses AT&T's network 20:16 <@Dagmar> You can also avoid the telcos entirely if you don't like carrying a tracking beacon 20:16 < RangerZ> and has similar cheap phones, that you can swap sim cards, etc 20:16 < RangerZ> Dagmar: doesn't matter, the FBI already has one on his car 20:17 < RangerZ> and NSA has his credit cards tracked 20:17 <@Dagmar> That's a given 20:17 < RangerZ> and CIA pays us to monitor him 20:17 <@Dagmar> Aside: Life is so much easier when everone else is as paranoid as you 20:17 < RangerZ> btw, did you get your check this week? 20:17 < RangerZ> mine is late 20:17 <@Dagmar> The CIA has never come to me with 'the offer you can't refuse' 20:17 < RangerZ> if you want, I have a friend who works there, if you want to apply 20:18 < RangerZ> i'm sure you could get 2~3x vandy 20:18 <@Dagmar> ...which is probably good, because I don't trust those people at all. 20:18 < RangerZ> but they would "snowden" you for sure 20:18 < RangerZ> lol 20:18 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: OKay so you and I should have a talk sometime soon about the thing you were just joking about 20:18 <@sdodson> Dagmar, have they come with any offers? 20:18 <@Dagmar> There's some things you shoudl be made aware of 20:19 < RangerZ> hehe 20:19 < RangerZ> sure 20:19 < RangerZ> i wasn't really serious 20:19 <@Dagmar> Personally I prefer the old boy network of just "if hackers think you need to know, we'll tell you anyway" 20:22 <@sdodson> Dagmar, you still ingress? 20:22 <@Dagmar> yes but not when it's freezing cold outside 20:23 <@Dagmar> I mainly just recharge the shit out of things 20:23 <@Dagmar> 50-60,000XM a day 20:23 <@sdodson> Dagmar, last night i went on my first real l8 farming venture. Two enlightened no lifes dropped what they were doing drove 30 minutes and started nuking things. 20:23 <@sdodson> They had to have gone through 500+ L8 bursters each. 20:23 <@Dagmar> sdodson: You need to find a place with a reasonable number of portals you can walk in a five minute loop 20:24 <@Dagmar> You can eliminate the problem of interference this way 20:24 <@Dagmar> You get your eight people, and you walk about a two block radius, fully populating each portal immediately, and then you just walk that loop around so you'll hit each one every five minutes, and burn them out in ~25 minutes. 20:25 <@Dagmar> Unless you're slow or sloppy, it means you're five minutes away from making back your "investment" on gear 20:25 <@Dagmar> We did that a couple days after Christmas 20:25 <@Dagmar> ...when the payouts were giant. 20:25 <@Dagmar> I went from ~1200 on the inventory back to the inventory cap 20:29 <@sdodson> Dagmar, there were 6 of us in a mini-van and two cars following us with for a total of 10 l8 players. We were driving a loop around about 30 portals. 20:29 <@sdodson> I got nearly 100 l8 resonators and about 30 l8 power cubes out of it. 20:29 <@Dagmar> Yeah so if you managed to burn them out then fuck worrying about it 20:29 <@Dagmar> ..because those guys had to burn a shitton of weaponry to kill that 20:30 <@sdodson> Apparently you can burn them out then deploy a multihack and it resets it? 20:30 <@Dagmar> Yeah or just put the multi on it to begin with 20:30 <@sdodson> Dagmar, Well that's the thing, they can burn 500 l8 resonators each and not even worry about it. 20:30 <@Dagmar> So could you if you burned out more portals 20:30 <@sdodson> Dagmar, delaying the multihack means you don't waste it if the other team shows up quicker than expected. 20:30 <@Dagmar> If you wanted to get heavy on it you could put multis and more importantly _heat sinks_ on them 20:31 <@Dagmar> sdodson: Yeah 20:31 <@sdodson> Heatsinks are unnecessary because it takes at least 5 minutes to make the loop driving to hit all 30 portals. 20:31 <@Dagmar> We've kinda gotten "stuck" on Legislative PLaza because there's a few places you can stand and be in range of 6-7 portals, which means you're just fucking clicking hack-hack-hack-hack 20:31 <@Dagmar> ..and hoping the XM will respawn soon 20:31 <@sdodson> There's perhaps a 30 second gap now and then as you drive between portals otherwise it's non stop hacking. 20:32 <@Dagmar> I kinda get pissy with Merl when he does that because I'd really rather keep moving 20:33 <@Dagmar> ...but it's kinda like the finishing a FF game with a crapton of potions because they were too precious to waste 20:33 <@Dagmar> I have 107 fucking common shields 20:33 <@Dagmar> Nwo I'm just throwing them on everything just to cull their numbers 20:33 <@sdodson> Our strategy is to just have more fun than them and hopefully they'll piss off. 20:34 <@Dagmar> At some point I'm going to ahve to get around to having some fun with the pile of force amps and turrets I've got 20:34 <@sdodson> They're the most vile people I've ever met in my entire life. 20:34 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah the game attracts DICKS 20:34 <@Dagmar> The smurfs here are retardedly corrupt 20:35 <@Dagmar> They've got a nice little site listing all the hacks so they can direct their newbs in properly cheating 20:35 <@Dagmar> ...and I kinda feel like Niantic should eat a bag of dicks for basically ignoring it. 20:36 <@Dagmar> One of the more reprehensible things is if you're phone is rooted you can temporarily switch the type description to a Moto X. 20:36 <@Dagmar> Instant bag of loot. 20:36 <@Dagmar> Level 8 loot, if you're level 8. 20:36 <@sdodson> There was a lot of speculation last night that the local E do a lot of automated notification as soon as a portal goes l8. 20:36 <@sdodson> like scraping the intel map in an automated fashion 20:37 <@Dagmar> It only *recently* stopped letting you do this, switch back, and then switch in again for *another* bag of loot 20:37 <@Dagmar> sdodson: yes that's very doable 20:37 <@Dagmar> It's a big fucking pile of json 20:37 <@sdodson> It's not hard, it's just lame. 20:37 <@Dagmar> You can fire up ReloadEvery on Firefox and MITM the connection and just scrape it all 20:38 <@Dagmar> ...but all it really takes is one person looking at the Intel map, because you can now have it just show you only L8 or L7-L8 portals 20:38 <@Dagmar> ...and then holler over comms 20:39 <@Dagmar> I had a real fun night about a month ago tampering with a smurf farm 20:39 <@Dagmar> It took them awhile to realize it only takes one motivated asshole to keep four carloads of smurfs circling an area 20:39 <@sdodson> Yeah, I hate that aspect of the game. 20:40 <@sdodson> If there's 10 of us we should be able to hold a farm against 2 of them. 20:40 <@Dagmar> Yes but those two guys only need to take out *one* resonator on a portal to make it not be L8 anymore 20:40 <@Dagmar> ...and it could belong to *anyone* in those cars. :) 20:41 <@Dagmar> It only takes about three bursters to drop a reso when you're standing right on it 20:41 <@Dagmar> THe game is heavily slanted towards being demolished. 20:41 <@sdodson> We were talking about what would make it better in that aspect. 20:42 <@Dagmar> THey need to revisit what they're doing with fields 20:42 <@sdodson> Land mines, high cool down super nuke offenses on portals 20:42 <@Dagmar> It *should* be possible to hold an area without everyone having to watch it non-stop 20:42 <@Dagmar> I think burster damage should be distributed across links 20:43 <@Dagmar> If you've got somehting linked up, everything it's connected to should share some of the damage, and probably another step further even 20:43 <@Dagmar> ...but that turns into ugly database grindage 20:44 <@Dagmar> ...but it *would* give people a chance at taking and *keeping* an area with a longer maintenance period 20:44 <@Dagmar> Being able to drop a portal in _seconds_? That's some bullshit 20:44 <@Dagmar> If it takes 8 people to make something high level, it shouldn't be something one person can take out in 24 seconds 20:45 <@Dagmar> All the mods in the world don't mean shit against a large stack of L1 bursters, either. 20:45 <@Dagmar> Someone can have a portal stacked full of very-rare shields and turrets and you can walk up, blow 30-40 L1 bursters on it real fast and they're all shattered. 20:46 <@Dagmar> Naked portal, meet 15 L8 bursters. Done. 20:47 <@Dagmar> Power cubes only make the problem worse 20:48 <@Dagmar> ...since it's so easy to drive things back to the zero point, there's no way to really do _anything_ meaningful to the playfield 20:49 < aestetix_> vagina 20:49 <@Dagmar> So if damage travelled across links, so that if one portal with four links only took 20% of the damage and the rest got shared out... then you could make it very, very expensive for one motherfucker to walk up and blow out a cluster of portals 20:50 <@SuMo_D> your a vagina! 20:50 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ what did you ping me about earlier? I was on my way out the door and shamelessly ignored you 20:50 <@Dagmar> This would also require links carrying recharge XM 20:54 < aestetix_> I do not remember 20:58 <@sdodson> yay, one of my favorite local restaraunts catered to Air Force One 20:58 <@sdodson> Dagmar, that doesn't do much for tight clusters that are often farms but otherwise it sounds like a good idea. 21:02 <@sdodson> Do paper or permanent copper coffee filters produce the best taste? 21:16 <@Evilpig> sdodson: if you listen to notlarry it was all about his french press 21:17 < aestetix_> oh right 21:17 <@sdodson> Evilpig, There's a super hipster coffee place here that has a hostess and seating. They do poor overs. Apparently that's all the shit if your jeans are super skinny and your mustache ratty. 21:17 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: do you think it would be worthwhile to jump right into doing a video about privacy stuff? 21:18 < aestetix_> Because of the Yelp case and whatnot 21:18 <@SuMo_D> what yelp case? 21:18 < aestetix_> oh boy 21:18 < aestetix_> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/01/court-rules-that-yelp-must-unmask-the-identities-of-seven-anonymous-reviewers/282959/ 21:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Court Rules That Yelp Must Unmask the Identities of Seven Anonymous Reviewers - Rebecca J. Rosen - The Atlantic (at www.theatlantic.com) 21:18 <@SuMo_D> but yeah probably... there's a lot of people who don't think about privacy issues... I'd say most people don't... 21:18 <@sdodson> SuMo_D, have to identify anonymous reviewers 21:18 <@SuMo_D> ah... hmmmm 21:18 < aestetix_> yeah the yelp case is getting a lot of attention 21:18 <@sdodson> privacy is so 2000s 21:18 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-50-152-33-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18 < aestetix_> well the thing is 21:19 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-50-152-33-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 21:19 < aestetix_> Someone is challenging that the yelp reviews are fake, and should be considered libel 21:19 <@SuMo_D> interesting 21:19 < aestetix_> If they are real reviews, then it's protected speech. 21:19 <@SuMo_D> I have several friends that own restaurants in this area... they make or break on the reviews... and yeah people can play dirty sometimes 21:19 < aestetix_> But the only way to find out for sure is to "unmask" them 21:20 <@SuMo_D> I wonder how those paid commentor/reputation management firm people get away with it/deal with the issue 21:20 < aestetix_> At which point you can either hold someone accountable for breaking the law, or you've just violated their 1st amendment rights 21:20 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-50-152-33-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21 < aestetix_> ok maybe I'll put together a video tonight 21:21 < aestetix_> because this is important 21:21 <@SuMo_D> yes 21:22 <@SuMo_D> will be interested in what you have to say :) 21:27 -!- NotLarry [~quassel@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:27 -!- NotLarry_ [~quassel@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:28 <@Shadow404> SuMo_D: you do realize the whole video will be about penises and vaginas 21:29 <@SuMo_D> and printing presses 21:29 <@SuMo_D> you know the two things that were printed on the Guttenburg press more than anything? Porn and the bible 21:31 <@Evilpig> oh god. don't get your penis caught in a guttenburg press, aestetix_! 21:34 < NotLarry> well fuck Got to get my cover letter for the vegas gig written in put in by morning. 21:35 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-50-152-33-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 21:51 < aestetix_> http://www.2600.com/?q=content/hope-x-now-accepting-bitcoins 21:51 < GateKeeper> Title: HOPE X NOW ACCEPTING BITCOINS | 2600 (at www.2600.com) 21:51 < RangerZ> hope x is a thing? 21:51 < RangerZ> i thought they all got arrested 21:51 < RangerZ> ohh wait... nvm... thats next week 21:51 < aestetix_> lol 22:13 <@SuMo_D> lol 22:15 <@SuMo_D> so purty http://www.conductiveinkjet.com/equipment.aspx 22:15 < GateKeeper> Title: Equipment - Conductive Inkjet Technology (at www.conductiveinkjet.com) 22:35 < aestetix_> ok 22:35 < aestetix_> anyone here used xtrabackup with mysql? 22:51 -!- sdodson [~Scott@twdp-174-109-245-131.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:55 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El3ateWsVps wtf ... 13 22:55 < GateKeeper> Title: She Looked Old Enough To Strip But She Was Only HOW OLD? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 22:55 < RangerZ> worst part about that is... she is underage so they won't show her picutre 22:55 < RangerZ> picture* 23:04 < aestetix_> oh fox news 23:04 < aestetix_> http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/01/15/foxs-ablow-theres-no-such-thing-as-being-transg/197604 23:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Fox's Ablow: There's No Such Thing As Being Transgender | Blog | Media Matters for America (at mediamatters.org) 23:24 < NotLarry> can someone try to ssh to angry.endoftheinternet.org please? don't use a real username/pw of course. 23:24 < NotLarry> trying to get things back up and running after my internet breakage:) 23:47 < aestetix_> penis 23:49 <@oddball> NotLarry: I get a username/password request --- Log closed Thu Jan 16 00:00:33 2014