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02:08 <@NotLarry> anyone in nville have a sata drive they want to part with?
02:09 <@NotLarry> brimstone:
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03:17 <@Dagmar> http://imgur.com/gallery/zLaC70t <-- wilpig will like
03:17 < GateKeeper> Title: So gifted. - Imgur (at imgur.com)
05:11 < aestetix_> penis
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06:26 < RangerZ1> oddball: did you have to drop down to 16/3 mbits/s ? b/c thats only 2 MBytes/sec
06:27 < RangerZ1> or is there a tier above that, that they don't show on their site at firt
06:28 < RangerZ1> ahh ok... 'deluxe 50' found their plans
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08:27 < aestetix_> penis
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10:11 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8tRdyctrak lulz...
10:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Microsoft News - Windows 9 RUMOR - May Be Announced At Build 2014 - Info & Details - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
10:12 <@Evilpig> damn if that's the case then they are treating win8 like Me
10:13 < RangerZ> or vista
10:13 < RangerZ> they need to fucking figure out their marketing
10:13 <@Evilpig> Vista hung around a while
10:13 <@Evilpig> Me got shoved right the fuck out
10:13 < RangerZ> true
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10:38 < RangerZ1> honestly, I don't "dislike" windows as someone like RMS does, I just wish they had a better terminal, etc b/c cygwin, etc is 'blah'
10:39 <@Evilpig> cygwin isn't exactly a terminal for windows.  powershell is
10:41 < RangerZ1> yeah
10:46 < RangerZ1> perhaps, let me put it this way... not 'knowing' exactly the posix interface, I'd like to see MS adopt *nix compatability
10:49 < RangerZ1> suposedly windows is posix compliant or mostly, if you enable it... but ehh
10:50 < RangerZ1> *decides i'm too tired to google that crap* and goes back to bed, waking up at 5am on my is for the birds
10:52 <@Corydon76-work> MS really could have stuck with Windows 7 for a few more years.
10:52 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-work: agreed
10:53 <@Corydon76-work> Ubuntu has been really smart about creating a concept of LTS releases, and MS could do the same
10:53 <@Corydon76-work> Asterisk adopted the same approach from Ubuntu (my idea)
10:54 < RangerZ1> honestly, its a really good idea
10:54 < RangerZ1> gives businesses the stability they need
10:54 < RangerZ1> lets private users test new features
10:54 <@Corydon76-work> While allowing them to experiment with new concepts, without endangering their entire userbase
10:55 < RangerZ1> yep
10:55 < RangerZ1> I'm also very excited about Mantle API and CryEngine being ported to linux
10:56 < RangerZ1> because honestly, thats the only reason I use windows for my desktop
10:56 < RangerZ1> is gaming
10:56 <@Corydon76-work> I only have Windows in a VM, and it's because our terminal frontend for inventory only runs on Windows
10:57 < RangerZ1> ahh
10:57 < RangerZ1> though honestly, 7 is a pretty good OS
10:57 <@Corydon76-work> Plus I have to support computer-illiterate users
10:57 < RangerZ1> I don't have major issues with it, other than I can't just apt-get install programs, etc
10:58 < RangerZ1> or w/e pkg mang.
10:59 <@Corydon76-work> I'm still not sold on the idea of an app store for desktop computing, much as Apple would like us all to adopt it
10:59 < RangerZ1> yeah, thats true, but thats what pkg managers really are, on a certain level
11:00 <@Corydon76-work> They are, but we're used to packages being free on Linux, and Windows users are used to paying for nearly everything they consider worthwhile
11:00 <@Corydon76-work> That's why a distributed package manager is a dichotomy shift for them
11:01 <@Evilpig> the push from windows7 to windows8 was strictly to try and save their mobile phone disaster
11:01 < RangerZ1> ^ agreed
11:02 <@Evilpig> and all it did was pushout a crappy os that nobody cares for, and the one platform promise fell utterly flat
11:02 < RangerZ1> hell windows phones for the past 10 years have promised integration with XBox Live
11:02 < RangerZ1> and I've only ever known one person to ever make use of it
11:02 <@Corydon76-work> I'm not exactly enamored of Apple trying to do the same thing, either, and yet Microsoft is following like an eager puppy dog, right into the wet cement
11:03 < RangerZ1> I could get a brand new apple macbook right now from work
11:03 < RangerZ1> but I haven't used a mac since Apple II
11:03 < RangerZ1> I have no idea how bad the productivity hit would be
11:03 <@Corydon76-work> Apple II wasn't a Mac
11:04 < RangerZ1> w/e
11:04 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: i'm not overly displeased with my macbook
11:04 <@Evilpig> had an adjustment period of a few weeks but I don't think i've taken a productivity hit 
11:04 <@Corydon76-work> Apple II was a completely different environment, with an ability to be useful to future programmers, even without booting an operating system
11:05 <@Corydon76-work> Mac, like WIndows, was completely useless without paid-for applications
11:07 < RangerZ1> a friend has some kind of command line pack mang. for mac
11:07 < RangerZ1> non-Apple... of course
11:07 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I do, too.  Fink, MacPorts, and now there's another one
11:08 <@Corydon76-work> Each one, in turn, after having an excited advent, came into disrepair
11:08 <@Corydon76-work> Brew is the newest incarnation.
11:08 < RangerZ1> Evilpig: which one did you get?
11:09 <@Corydon76-work> But unless they can figure out how to avoid packages becoming unmaintained over the long run, I fully expect there will be another one in just a couple of years
11:11 < RangerZ1> maybe a 15 Macbook Pro.. but jesus 2600$ is a fucking lot
11:13 <@Corydon76-work> Shop on Mondays on their Refurbished section
11:13 <@Corydon76-work> It's basically all Macs that somebody bought, then returned to the store a couple days later
11:14 <@Corydon76-work> They'll typically be discounted anywhere from 5-20%
11:14 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: the latest MacBook Air
11:14 <@Corydon76-work> Mondays are when they restock the refurbs
11:16 < RangerZ1> Its not even _my_ money, but still it feels wrong to spend that much, lol
11:18 <@Corydon76-work> $2600 would be an appropriate amount to spend for a computer in this channel
11:21 <@eryc> albeit wasteful
11:22 < RangerZ1> yeah...
11:22 <@eryc> http://www.macbreaker.com/2013/04/preview-new-hackintosh-laptops-of-2013.html
11:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Preview: New Hackintosh Laptops of 2013 (at www.macbreaker.com)
11:23 < RangerZ1> plus it makes me think about how much of a BEAST of a desktop i could get for that
11:23 < RangerZ1> lol
11:23 <@eryc> yea i spent less on my desktop
11:25 <@eryc> quad core HT 3.5ghz, 32gb ram, gtx780(titan)
11:25 <@eryc> water cooled
11:25 <@eryc> 250gb ssd
11:26 <@eryc> plus surround 3x 27" monitors
11:27 <@eryc> one died tho
11:27 <@eryc> i'm working on repairing the caps in it but i might get a 4K monitor instead for the center
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11:28 <@eryc> that $699 dell one is a good price but its ugly and doesnt match my samsungs
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11:31 <@eryc> this one isn't too bad except the brand http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889522025
11:32  * eryc goes back to watching Her
11:33 < RangerZ> eryc: I saw that... debated it
11:33 <@eryc> you get what you pay for in monitors usually
11:34 <@eryc> i've seen some take-apart repair vids and cheap monitors are cheap
11:34 <@eryc> shitty board engineering
11:34 <@eryc> samsung gets high marks
11:43 < RangerZ> yeah I learned that the hard way with fucking... Coby
11:43 < RangerZ> bought a cheap 100$ TV, it wasn't worth my time to get it repaired
11:44 < RangerZ> b/c it broke after like 1 month of use, but 4 of ownership
11:44 < RangerZ> so i just took it apart, and realized how much of POS it was
11:47 < RangerZ> eryc: the thing with that is... its too big
11:48 < RangerZ> 39" is going to break all kinds of ergonomics
11:48 < RangerZ> lol
11:48 < RangerZ> just ask Corydon76-work
11:48 < RangerZ> sorry....
11:48 <@eryc> yea good point
11:48 <@eryc> heh
11:48 < RangerZ> you need a curved display at that point
11:49 < RangerZ> b/c I kneeled down in front of my 42" TV and thought about using it...
11:50 < RangerZ> and the top corners are at the 'very' limits of usability
11:50 <@eryc> well it has to be big enough where the 4K doesn't cause tiny fonts and shit
11:50 < RangerZ> well it isn't even 'true' 4k
11:50 <@eryc> nothing is
11:50 <@eryc> but why do you say that
11:50 < RangerZ> but still, I get your point
11:51 < RangerZ> just that its supppose to have like 800 or something more pixels on the side crammed in
11:51 <@eryc> ah
11:51 <@eryc> so that will cause some distortion when you get 4K content
11:52 < RangerZ> yeah
11:52 < RangerZ> b/c http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution
11:52 < GateKeeper> Title: 4K resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
11:52 <@eryc> i wish we'd just go straight to 8K and be done
11:52 < RangerZ> is fucked, lol
11:52 <@eryc> 8K is the end of the line
11:53 <@eryc> but they dont even have cameras or storage that can do 8K
11:53 < RangerZ> b/c I really like the TVs that are just 2x2 1080p Monitors crammed together
11:53 <@eryc> and you'd need like 60Mbps down
11:53 < RangerZ> that way 1080p media can just be given 4 pixels per 'pixel'
11:53 < RangerZ> and scaled properly
11:54 < RangerZ> hmm
11:54 < RangerZ> it looks like that _IS_ the ultra HD TVs
11:54 < RangerZ> which is what that 600$ tv is
11:55 <@eryc> hm
11:56 <@eryc> yea you're right
11:56 < RangerZ> b/c 1080p is 1920x1080 so 2x each # and get 3840x2160, which is basically 2x2 matrix of 1080p TVs
11:56 < RangerZ> built into one unit
11:56 <@eryc> well thats what wikipedia says 4K is too
11:56 <@eryc> so this thing is fine.. no distortion on 4k content
11:56 < RangerZ> one of them
11:57 <@eryc> well ya but the other is 8K and i already talked about it
11:57 <@eryc> that's another 10 years out
11:57 <@eryc> except in Japan
11:57 <@eryc> they already have 8k i think
11:57 < RangerZ> and it'll be 20" 8K tvs there
11:57 < RangerZ> LOL
11:59 < RangerZ> honestly, realizing that... its the proper 2x2 1080p matrix... makes me more inclined for that TV
11:59  * eryc gets out the measuring tape
12:00 <@eryc> yea 39 is a little big for this desk
12:00 <@eryc> at least if i want 2 27"'s on the sides
12:00 <@eryc> the angles get too steep
12:01 <@eryc> i guess i should move these 2 monitors as far to the edge as i can and measure the empty space
12:01 < RangerZ> also, it'll be like 38" viewable probably
12:01 < RangerZ> with bezels
12:02 <@eryc> yea because they throw in the keyword "Class"
12:02 <@eryc> 39" Class
12:02 < RangerZ> which now, when I dragged out my measuring tape... on my desk... isn't "too" bad, but I'd have to get rd of the "top" part of my corner desk
12:03 < RangerZ> it actually doesn't look 'that' big when i measure it out on my desk
12:03 < RangerZ> I guess it is the distance, which was hard to tell on the living room TV
12:03 <@eryc> ya especially at 4K
12:04 < RangerZ> also.. it only has 30 Hz refresh at full resoultion
12:04 <@eryc> lolwut
12:04 < RangerZ> which isn't a problem for coding, movies
12:04 < RangerZ> but will be for gaming, and other stuff
12:05 < RangerZ> http://www.amazon.com/Seiki-Digital-SE39UY04-39-Inch-Ultra/dp/B00DOPGO2G/
12:05 < RangerZ> Refresh Rate: 120Hz, Component & HDMI Support: 480I, 576I, 480P, 576P, 720P, 1080I, 1080P, 4k2k 30Hz (only HDMI)
12:05 <@eryc> even cheaper
12:06 <@eryc> tempting
12:07 < RangerZ> component, VGA, HDMI and has USB for JPGs (really just to provide power in most cases)
12:07 < RangerZ> let alone TV playback
12:08 <@NotLarry> great, microsoft says I have 666 unread messages in my inbox
12:11 <@anarchival> https://www.coursera.org/course/conrob
12:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Coursera.org (at www.coursera.org)
12:11 <@anarchival> Good job, bot.
12:11 <@anarchival> "Control of Mobile Robots" at Georgia Institute of Technology
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12:22 < RangerZ> eryc: let me know if you get one
12:22 < RangerZ> I'll probably have to wait until next month at the earliest
12:23 <@eryc> idk one of the guys on amazon had theirs die in 4months
12:23 <@eryc> be nice if it could do 3D
12:24 <@eryc> i'd like to do some 3d gaming
12:25 < RangerZ> no you wouldn't, lol
12:25 <@anarchival> The US Patent Office is taking comments on prior art for software: http://washington-update.acm.org/archives.cfm?fo=2014-01-jan/jan-09-2014.html#5
12:25 < GateKeeper> Title: ACM Washington Update (at washington-update.acm.org)
12:25 <@eryc> why not i saw it at makerfairenyc it was pretty cool
12:26 < RangerZ> i expect 3D to die soon, this CES saw a huge drop in it
12:26 < RangerZ> and Occulus Rift will soon be close to consumer level
12:26 <@eryc> idk i dont think it was a drop it just wasnt publicized.. this is the year of 4K
12:27 <@eryc> ya where's my 4K Rift
12:27 < RangerZ> i was watching something, and they said that vizio and other manf. have completely stopped 3D development entirely
12:27 < RangerZ> and vizio is the brand that needs to be hit for 'mass' purchase from walmart, etc
12:27 <@eryc> i dont think its going anywhere
12:28 <@eryc> maybe its just reached maturity
12:28 < RangerZ> I think it'll switch to glassesless #d
12:28 < RangerZ> 3D*
12:28 <@eryc> that will be cool
12:28 < RangerZ> but honestly, I have it on the 3DS
12:28 < RangerZ> i never turn it on anymore
12:28 < RangerZ> your brain starts to filter it out after a while
12:28 < RangerZ> I find the same problem with Pacific Rim, and other 3D movies
12:29 < RangerZ> I see the _very first_ 3D object
12:29 < RangerZ> and then very few through the rest of the movie
12:29 <@eryc> thats kinda how it was for me in the last Hobbit
12:29 <@eryc> im pretty sure it was in 4K too which was weird
12:30 <@eryc> the whole movie was surreal
12:30 < RangerZ> I haven't seen any of the new ones
12:30 < RangerZ> I'm just going to wait for all 3 to be out
12:31 < RangerZ> and probably still enjoy the animated version more, lol... since its only 90min long
12:31 <@eryc> ya it was pretty long to not actually have much happen
12:31 <@eryc> i didnt see the previous one
12:32 < RangerZ> I didn't know this until i read a site last month... but they just MADE UP stuff for the story
12:32 < RangerZ> entire sections of the movie, characters
12:32 < RangerZ> etc
12:32 < RangerZ> I was wondering how they filled that much time... and thats it
12:35 <@eryc> yea
12:36 <@eryc> it all seemed fine tho
12:36 <@eryc> i'm not a purist
12:37 < RangerZ> and apparently its the HDMI that limits that TV, not enough bandwidth for 4K at 60/120
12:37 <@eryc> huh
12:38 <@eryc> so how do you get there?
12:38 <@eryc> new HDMI?
12:38 < RangerZ> display port
12:38 <@eryc> i'm not
12:38 <@eryc> nooo
12:38 < RangerZ> HDMI 1.5
12:38 < RangerZ> lightning bolt, or w/e apple's is
12:40 < RangerZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_2.0
12:40 < GateKeeper> Title: HDMI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
12:41 < RangerZ> 4k only up to 60 Hz
12:41 <@eryc> yea
12:41 <@eryc> was just about to say that
12:41 < RangerZ> Thunderbolt* is apple's thing
12:42 < RangerZ> looks like USB 3.1 is 10GBps
12:42 < RangerZ> which is 30 Hz 4K also
12:42 < RangerZ> ish
12:43 < RangerZ> but I doubt we'll see more than 60hz for 4k for a while
12:43 < RangerZ> the cables/specs just aren't there, unless they go multiple cable
12:45 <@eryc> http://www.amazon.com/this-240hz-thought-limited-moment/forum/Fx315KGHIBL32ZT/Tx3OLPHCW6L2S27/1/
12:45 < GateKeeper> Title: Amazon.com: Questions And Answers: How can this be 240hz? I thought 4k TVs were limited to 30hz at the moment? (at www.amazon.com)
12:46 <@eryc> yea
12:46 <@eryc> no wonder they dropped 3D at CES this year
12:46 <@eryc> they can't do 4k 3D
12:47 <@eryc> that tv is pretty sweet tho
12:51 <@eryc> i read this the other day http://library.creativecow.net/galt_john/John_Galt_2K_4K_Truth_About_Pixels/1
12:51 < GateKeeper> Title: CreativeCOW (at library.creativecow.net)
12:51 <@eryc> pretty good interview/article
12:51 <@eryc> talks about how refresh rate is better than pixels
12:54 < RangerZ> but not in the area of programming
12:54 < RangerZ> and other productivity based things
13:00 < RangerZ> though I honestly expect to see one HELL of an IDE/something pop up for the Occulus Rift for development
13:10 <@sasquatc4> guess it depends on the size of the tv too, i noticed a huge jump going from 720 to 1080, but this was on a 100in screen
13:11 <@sasquatc4> still, hate it when people have some fancy high refresh tv, and dont turn off frame interpolation, i really really really hate that effect, it just bothers the shit out of me
13:11 < RangerZ> I'm still on my 60hz 24" monitor and 60hz 42" TV
13:12 <@sasquatc4> same reason i didnt want to see the hobbit in 48fps
13:12 <@sasquatc4> hate that damn effect
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14:13 < RangerZ1> http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/elite-products/products.html
14:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Business Ultrabooks & Notebooks | HP EliteBooks | HP® Official Site (at www8.hp.com)
14:13 < RangerZ1> ohh yes... because your LINKS should be java script
14:13 < RangerZ1> fuck you HP
14:13 < RangerZ1> DIAF
14:15 < RangerZ1> and seriously... where the hell have desktop replacement Laptops gone
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14:34 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: alienware
14:34 < RangerZ> yeah, i guess, I'm not really looking for a 'gaming' laptop
14:40 <@Evilpig> those are the only ones really in that market anymore
14:42 < RangerZ> so nuub question... does 802.11AC also have a/b/g/n in it?
14:43 < RangerZ> I would assume so
14:43 < RangerZ> hmm wikipedia is a little obtuse on the topic, but I'm guessing it is
14:49 <@Evilpig> I would assume so
14:50 < RangerZ> thats what I assumed, but it seemed conspicuously absent
14:50 < RangerZ> which made me worried
14:50 <@Evilpig> it's probably up to the device manufacturer
14:50 < RangerZ> apparently not
14:50 < RangerZ> apparently it is N required
14:50 < RangerZ> so N covers G
14:50 < RangerZ> etc
14:51 <@eryc> http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4335
14:51 < GateKeeper> Title: Single-Chip 5G WiFi 802.11ac MAC/Baseband/Radio with Bluetooth 4.0+HS & FM Receiver - BCM4335 | Broadcom (at www.broadcom.com)
14:52 <@eryc> Buffalo AirStation WZR-1750H
14:52 <@eryc> 1x 450Mbps 802.11n radio (2.4GHz), 1x 1.3Gbps 802.11ac radio
14:53 < RangerZ> eryc: its an option in the HP i'm looking at
14:53 < RangerZ> and I didn't want to no be able to connect to G wireless
14:53 < RangerZ> for obvious reasons
14:53 < RangerZ> http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/load_configuration.do?destination=review&config_id=8253295 so apparently HP's "consumer" level has a good option, not that I really care about the leap motion
14:54 < oddball> Great... somehow I fucked up my SSH settings and now when I try to SSH into my home network, I'm logging into my pfsense box instead of my linux box.
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14:54 < RangerZ> nice
14:54 <@eryc> RangerZ: yea i'd assume it can connect to anything
14:55 < RangerZ> HP's site was just 'wtf'-y about it
14:55 < RangerZ> so i wanted to make sure
14:57 <@eryc> if not you can replace it for like $25
14:57 <@eryc> but it probably is this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106190
15:06 < RangerZ> it say 1x1 on it
15:06 < RangerZ> but other options have 2x2
15:06 < RangerZ> which I honestly have no idea what it is
15:07 < RangerZ> ahh, # of send/recieve antenna
15:09 <@eryc> ah ya so that tops out at 433 Mbit/s
15:09 <@eryc> may as well get the shitty one and then upgrade yourself to 2x2
15:12 <@eryc> especially since you dont have an ac AP yet
15:12 <@Evilpig> oddball: bad firewall rule?
15:13 <@oddball> Evilpig: I'm not seeing the problem...
15:14 <@oddball> I did change the port that the pfsense ssh server is on to 9022... and I can't get port 22 to respond at all.
15:14 <@Evilpig> I wish I knew the bsd stuff better to try to troubleshoot btu I don't
15:14 <@oddball> I even deleted the rule and rebuilt it with no joy.
15:15 <@Evilpig> are you trying to ssh from the inside to test?
15:15 <@oddball> I've tried from my phone outside the network with no joy.
15:16 <@Evilpig> I can nmap it if it will help
15:16 <@oddball> I can ssh to the server from inside the network via local IP without issue.
15:17 <@oddball> Unfortunately, I don't see how that would help when it looks like 22 should foward to the linux box, but isn't.
15:17 <@Evilpig> gateway / route problem from your linux box to the outside?
15:18 <@eryc> have you tried turning your computer off and on again
15:18  * oddball hits eryc with a trout.
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15:23 <@oddball> Ok.. I'm not sure what I did... but connecting from the outside works now.
15:25 <@oddball> Now to get it to work internally.  I'm guessing I have to set up a copy for the LAN interface.
15:26 <@oddball> or not
15:28 <@Evilpig> the internal was what always gave me trouble, but that might have been untangle and not pf
15:28 <@oddball> Nope... looks like internal is still borked for me.
15:29 <@oddball> This is significantly more difficult than it should be.
15:31 <@eryc> i tried to forward ports from my wifi to my lan before on openwrt and failed
15:32 <@eryc> forwarding from the outside was pretty simple tho
15:32 <@Evilpig> oddball: not that it helps but i'm currently rewriting a good portion of the js that opendcim uses to function as jquery plugins and i'm pretty fuckin' lost
15:32 <@oddball> I don't understand while having it apply to stuff originating from inside the network shouldn't just fucking work.
15:33 < RangerZ> oddball: have you tried turning your network on and off again?
15:34 <@Evilpig> I never figured it out but then again I messed with it for a few weeks then just finally gave up and went with something that worked
15:35 <@oddball> Evilpig: yeah... like I said... I'm highly tempted to go back to the Netgear router's software, because the port fowarding stuff on that is pretty sane.
15:35 < RangerZ> sadly, the easiest port forwarding I ever saw until just recently was my old MS wired only router from like 1999 or something
15:36 <@oddball> Oh, the Netgear's port fowarding was pretty easy.  Find the right page, enter target, destination, and descriptor.  *Boom* done.
15:37 <@oddball> And, frankly, that's the way it should be.
15:42 < RangerZ> agreed
15:43 <@oddball> Ah ha!
15:44 <@oddball> In the advanced rules, there's a section to enable NAT reflection.  For some fucking stupid reason, these are all disabled by default.
15:44 <@Evilpig> found some magic network dust?
15:45  * oddball wishes to kick some devs in the balls to show my appreciation.
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15:48 <@oddball> And for some reason, *none* of the documentation I've found on how to setup port fowarding on pfsense makes mention of this.
15:54 <@eryc> what is "NAT reflection"?
15:54 < RangerZ> why would they have to mention something so obvious?
15:54 <@eryc> obvious router is obvious
15:54 < RangerZ> also... what is "NAT reflection"?
15:55 < RangerZ> lulz @ google auto complete on 'nat reflection' giving me 'nat reflection pfsense'
15:56 < RangerZ> as #1, and *_cisco as #2
15:56 < RangerZ> ohh
15:56 < RangerZ> nat loopback
15:56 < RangerZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation#NAT_loopback
15:56 < GateKeeper> Title: Network address translation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
15:57 <@eryc> ah
15:57 <@eryc> i wonder if thats related to what i couldnt get to work in openwrt
16:17 < RangerZ> honestly I never realized you couldn't do that by _default_
16:17 < RangerZ> though I guess it does make sense
16:17 < RangerZ> ok, I'm done, I learned a few new things today, I've gone over my quota of 1 per sunday
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17:08 < RangerZ> eryc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myah1-687uM
17:08 < GateKeeper> Title: Oculus HD with Head Tracking was on Display in the Intel Booth... AWESOME - CES 2014 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:10 < RangerZ> and that one didn't even have the 3d spacial tracking that some of the others did there
17:12 < RangerZ> also... NEED
17:13 < RangerZ> and john carmack saying 4K on the O.R....
17:14 < RangerZ> and apparently the screen only stays on 1ms then turns off... so the screen is 'off' most of the time, but our eyes don't detect that, and it allows the screen to stop the 'trailing' effect that early people were getting motion sickness from
17:18 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoLHHUdi_LE this video is from a kinda weird guy... but he has _really_ well done animations, that explain it
17:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Discussion: New features of the Oculus Rift Crystal Cove prototype from CES - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:33 < RangerZ> god I love TVTropes sometimes "Megaton Punch: Nana's usual method of telling Kaoru he's gone too far with his teasing... unless her arms are tied up; then, it's a Megaton Kick. Kaoru gets smart in a later breather and ties up both her arms and legs."
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19:10 <@anarchival> OH MY GOD.
19:11 <@anarchival> Sherlock really knows how to do a plot twist.
19:15 <@anarchival> Dagmar Court. Right.
19:20 <@anarchival> Dagmar is a feminine Scandinavian given name, meaning day maid. Huh.
19:20 < aestetix_> god I hate hippies
19:26 < RangerZ> aestetix_: but we all consider you one
19:32 < aestetix_> RangerZ: you should see this email list I'm on
19:32 < aestetix_> It's like a bunch of idiots with an axe to grind and a possible drug issue discovered email
19:36 <@Evilpig> sushi delivery might be one of the greatest things of all time
19:38 < aestetix_> Evilpig: what about mail order bride delivery
19:38 <@Evilpig> I haven't sampled that yet, but it could rank
19:43 < RangerZ> aestetix_: next time you are in NV (not vegas itself) pay for one to visit Evilpig at home
19:43 < aestetix_> hahaha
19:44 < RangerZ> aestetix_: noisebridge alone seems to have some good drama-filled emails
19:44 < aestetix_> "What address?" "The tumblr data center, NJ"
19:44 <@Evilpig> haha.  that would be comical
19:44 < RangerZ> "duh"
19:44 <@Evilpig> tumblr already has the other dc customers looking at us funny
19:44 <@Evilpig> we're "those troublemakers"
19:45 < RangerZ> Evilpig: we had strippers come to my old work on a regular basis
19:45 < RangerZ> the one guy was dating one, and she would bring her co-workers/friends
19:46 < RangerZ> probably the best call center job imaginable... ohh and we were allowed to drink on the job, as long as we didn't leave any evidence in the morning that potential customers could see when they came in
19:46 <@Evilpig> we can drink and leave evidence
19:46 <@Evilpig> hell I have a bottle of bourbon on my desk
19:47 < northrup> Ahhh... the glorious days of booze at the office.  I have a bottle of Bailey's in my desk drawer, how else do you drink coffee?
19:48 < RangerZ> northrup: I can't stand coffee
19:48 < RangerZ> but irish coffee might help
19:49 < northrup> RangerZ: it makes an ok delivery method for Bailey's
19:49 < RangerZ> thats one of the BEST things about vandy
19:49 < RangerZ> wet-campus
19:50 < RangerZ> good TAs have a "we'll keep helping you, if you keep giving us drinks" policy
19:50 < northrup> RangerZ: oh, and yes - Whiskey in coffe is also good
19:51 < northrup> RangerZ: I used to keep beer in the fridge at Vandy, good times
19:51 < RangerZ> my undergrad was a dry campus
19:51 < RangerZ> which kinda sucked
19:54 < RangerZ> BUT there was a fucking pub/thing that served alcohol right in the middle of campus
19:54 < RangerZ> I honestly think it was just a kickback scheme
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19:59 < RangerZ> greetings SuMo_D
19:59 <@SuMo_D> yo
19:59 <@SuMo_D> sup?
20:02 <@anarchival> Neckbeards with hard liquor and strippers. It's a wonder why I ever got out of that line of work.
20:03 <@anarchival> Sushi delivery sounds excellent, though.
20:06 < RangerZ> i'm pretty sure that Evilpig is the only one with a neck beard
20:06 < RangerZ> and its ginger'd so it doesn't count as real adult growth
20:06 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Ginger beards are sexy and you're just jealous you don't have one.
20:07 < RangerZ> actually I do, if I let the red grow in
20:07 < RangerZ> i get red as fuck sprouts every so often
20:07 < RangerZ> I end up plucking them out, b/c they stick out like a MFer
20:11 <@SuMo_D> how's your day RangerZ?
20:12 < RangerZ> alright, i'm on a fucked up "wake up at 5am" schedule now
20:12 < RangerZ> so i'm already tired
20:14 < northrup> RangerZ: waking up at 5am is for the damned birds
20:14 < RangerZ> yeah... pretty much
20:14 < RangerZ> but atleast it make it class at 9:30am
20:14 < RangerZ> b/c i was used to waking up at that point
20:17 <@SuMo_D> awww
20:17 <@SuMo_D> yeah we have a pitch meeting with Verizon tomorrow morning across town...
20:18 <@SuMo_D> I have to be up early for it... not looking forward to it
20:18 <@SuMo_D> well looking forward to the meeting... our prototypes ROCK and I think we're going to kill it... but not looking forward to that early hour and driving for ~ an hour
20:19 <@SuMo_D> we have the mini maker Faire on Saturday too where its going to be the same deal, and that'll be worse cause I'm managing teenagers all day
20:19 <@SuMo_D> +++ setup and running the exhibits
20:20 <@SuMo_D> hope you find something that lets you get on a more reasonable schedule soon... mornings.... meh...
20:33 < RangerZ> in 16 weeks
20:33 < RangerZ> I kinda got out of the first week of classes
20:33 < RangerZ> so thats nice
20:33 < RangerZ> lol
20:34 < RangerZ> and it looks like my prelim committee might be the 3 most favorable profs I could hope for, or 2 of the 3 and one of the most influential on campus
20:34 <@SuMo_D> small mercies
20:34 <@SuMo_D> sweet
20:34 <@anarchival> There's a show with Prince Charles watching old movies of the Queen where Downton Abbey should be. I blame the Golden Globes.
20:37 < RangerZ> yeah, either option is nice, and i'm like 1.5 yrs later on the prelims... but having an advisor that is _doing_ research... kinda helps
20:42 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-bDICsDlio Typo "black box"
20:42 < GateKeeper> Title: Is Your Driving Private? Not After The Block Box Mandate - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:57 < RangerZ> "ADATA shows off their new SX930 SSD, an 1800mb per second PCI-E SSD"
20:57 < RangerZ> interesting
21:05 <@Shadow404> woot, trip all booked for: http://www.nasa.gov/content/see-our-next-communications-satellite-launch-from-florida-at-a-nasa-social/#.UtNJh_RDvkI
21:05 < GateKeeper> Title: See Our Next C (at www.nasa.gov)
21:07 <@eryc> http://www.techoftomorrow.com/2014/pc/new-adata-colored-xpg-memory-pcie-ssds/
21:07 <@eryc> RangerZ: looks pretty consumer grade
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21:09 < RangerZ> eryc: I didn't really see any stats
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21:09 < RangerZ> plus it isn't suppose to be out before summer
21:09 < RangerZ> so probably still working on controllers, etc
21:09 <@eryc> just looking at the board
21:09 < RangerZ> ohh, thats not production
21:09 < RangerZ> i'm sure
21:09 <@eryc> and judging from their other products
21:10 <@eryc> ive never heard of adata i dont think
21:10 < RangerZ> maybe, i've never looked into a-data
21:10 < RangerZ> ohh they have been around for a long time, and they are an actual ram chip manf.
21:11 < RangerZ> so they could easily pull the samsung "we get our best chips for ourselves"
21:12 <@eryc> i only trust intel ssds
21:12 < RangerZ> I've just never used their ram for anything, b/c I stick to kingston/crucial/muskin , with lifetime warranties
21:12 <@eryc> though i have a samsung in this
21:12 < RangerZ> but hell, a-data might have the same
21:12 <@eryc> for pci ssd i'm using fusionio
21:13 <@eryc> idk if i'd get a pci ssd for my home pc
21:13 <@eryc> i'd probably just get the 1tb samsung if i wanted to go crazy
21:29 <@oddball> Samsung is a good brand for SSDs.
21:30 < RangerZ> its what I just bought
21:30 < RangerZ> best value at the time
21:30 < RangerZ> and 90k+ IOPs on both random read/write
21:30 < RangerZ> which is where OS drives would need it
21:31 <@Evilpig> with all the shit i've seen out of the virident PCI-E SSDs at work I definitely wouldn't suggest them to anyone
21:31 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: ping
21:31 <@NotLarry> Where to eat after 9pm on a sunday night in West Nashville?
21:32 <@Evilpig> not many choices
21:32 <@anarchival> It's so bright out tonight and it's not even the full moon.
21:32 <@Dagmar> Little Caesar's
21:32 <@NotLarry> Just woke up, want to take ice out to eat.
21:32 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Three Stones Pub.
21:32 <@Shadow404> LC is the shit when your too lazy and stoned, only problem is that they dont deliver
21:32 <@Shadow404> we had one next to college
21:33 <@Dagmar> However, there's one here in West Nashville, and I was just there gettin' me a $5 pizza
21:33 <@NotLarry> There is one at charolette and rr.  That is an idea.
21:33 <@Shadow404> so we'd walk over stone and drunk and order 2 pizzas each, devour them, and wonder why our stomachs are upset the next morning and find the epty pizza boxes the next morning and fuzzy memories
21:33 <@NotLarry> Well, he does not like the 5dollar pizza
21:34 <@NotLarry> What did you do with the condom wrappers?
21:34 <@Shadow404> not quite
21:34 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: they were drunk and/or stoned.  condoms just don't exist in that state
21:35 <@Shadow404> not true
21:35 <@Shadow404> if you ever get that stoned/drunk and forget to use a condom on a one night stand, your just an idiot
21:37 <@Shadow404> on that note, night
21:37 <@anarchival> Goodnight, Shadow404. May your condoms be plentiful and non-expired.
21:38 <@Evilpig> non-expired?  what's that?
21:39 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Condoms have expiration dates.
21:39 <@Shadow404> anarchival: and void of any pin holes
21:39 <@Shadow404> thats how ware happened probably
21:39 <@Shadow404> stupid fucking stupid.....
21:40 <@anarchival> Shadow404: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE
21:40 < GateKeeper> Title: Beastie Boys - Sabotage - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:47 <@anarchival> Oh, great. Someone just got raped on Downton Abbey. Lovely.
21:49 < northrup> GHA!! I haven't even started watching Season 4 yet...
21:49 < northrup> nah, nah, nah... not listening....
21:52 <@anarchival> northrup: Tom is about to get raped by a maid, too.
21:53 < northrup> anarchival: GHA!!
21:57 <@anarchival> Fuck this shit. I'm watching Sherlock again.
22:02 <@anarchival> You guys? David Wilson is the radio-shizzle.
22:04 <@anarchival> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG4jvV9ngWU
22:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Last Voice From Kuwait by Frank Moore, part 1 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:04 <@NotLarry> ok, 3 stones kitchen closes in 3 minutes.  What else?
22:05 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Brewhouse?
22:05 <@NotLarry> Shadow404: Yeah, when I was your age we didn't use protection.  Shame it didn't kill more of us off.
22:06 <@NotLarry> anything like, mexican or oriental?
22:06 <@anarchival> NotLarry: When my father married his third wife, I sent him condoms for his wedding gift with a note that said, "It's never too late to start."
22:08 <@NotLarry> So, the possibility that my sperm might spread is a good thing.  Especially considering the kind of crazy that let me put my penis in them.
22:08 <@NotLarry> And, way back when, everything we could get you just went down and got a shot for.
22:08 <@anarchival> NotLarry: There are a couple options over on Hwy 100, but I think they all close around 9 or 10 on Sunday.
22:08 <@NotLarry> And then, well, you know, the 80 happened, and homosexuals showed up and spoiled the party.
22:09 <@anarchival> NotLarry: You're pretty much stuck with bars at this point. :(
22:09 <@NotLarry> I guess I'll head down there.  There is a corner pub if nothing else is open.
22:09 <@NotLarry> old hicory and 100 and turn west/south right?
22:09 <@anarchival> NotLarry: Yep.
22:10 <@NotLarry> cool, thanks, talk to you later.
22:10 <@anarchival> NotLarry: There's also Cancun and Catina on Hwy 70S but I'm not finding any info on their hours.
22:18 <@anarchival> Hackers and hams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6PB3NGBLJQ#t=0
22:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Dayton Hamvention 2012 QSO Radio Show broadcast on 5-19-2012 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:20 <@anarchival> Oh dammit it's in May. Why is everything in May this year? http://hamvention.org/
22:20 < GateKeeper> Title: Dayton Hamvention 2014 - Makers... The Future of Ham Radio (at hamvention.org)
22:22 <@Evilpig> bah!  I hate it when I find bugs that shoudl have turned up months ago
22:24 < aestetix_> penis
22:25 <@anarchival> langolee
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22:29 <@anarchival> northrup: http://mtears.org/sns/
22:29 < GateKeeper> Title: MTEARS (at mtears.org)
22:30 < northrup> anarchival: Oh yeah!
22:30 <@Evilpig> this isn't making sense right now.  i'll look at this tomorrow and rework it with pen and paper
22:31 <@anarchival> northrup: Do you have any interest in SDR?
22:33 <@anarchival> northrup: Also this, which doesn't appear to be maintained, but I'm assured it does exist: http://nashvilleaprs.net/
22:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Nashville APRS > Home (at nashvilleaprs.net)
22:38 < northrup> anarchival: actually, YES, I'm interested in SDR - just looks like most of the 'good' SDR stuff costs some major $$
22:40 <@NotLarry> well, capt'D was open and just down the street, so we got the D.
22:41 <@NotLarry> anarchival: what about sdr?
22:43 <@anarchival> This is where SDR was invented: http://tapr.org/
22:43 <@anarchival> The dinner, anyway, which I have been instructed to attend at the first available opportunity.
22:43 <@anarchival> This group split off from there: http://openhpsdr.org/
22:43 < GateKeeper> Title: HPSDR - High Performance Software Defined Radio (at openhpsdr.org)
22:44 <@anarchival> Oh and there's a show in Vegas, too. Naturally. http://www.nabshow.com/
22:44 < GateKeeper> Title: 2014 NAB Show - The World's Largest B2B Electronic Media Show for the Media & Entertainment Industries (at www.nabshow.com)
22:45 <@anarchival> The QtRadio project: http://wwns.com/SDR_debugging/
22:45 < northrup> Oh, I've been to NAB a couple of times
22:45 <@anarchival> This is quite popular: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.v1al&hl=en
22:46 <@anarchival> This guy is working on an Android app for QtRadio: http://g0orx.blogspot.com/
22:46 < GateKeeper> Title: G0ORX (at g0orx.blogspot.com)
22:46 <@anarchival> And cuSDR: https://plus.google.com/107168125384405552048/posts
22:46 <@anarchival> And a discussion list: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sdr-widget
22:47 < GateKeeper> Title: Google Groups (at groups.google.com)
22:47 <@anarchival> Apparently there's a show on Team Speak?
22:47 <@anarchival> I thought I knew something about SDR but David is sending me stuff I've never even heard of.
22:48 <@anarchival> northrup: the hardware is getting cheaper: http://www.rtl-sdr.com/hackrf-vs-bladerf-vs-usrp/
22:48 < GateKeeper> Title: HackRF vs. BladeRF vs. USRP - rtl-sdr.com (at www.rtl-sdr.com)
22:49 < northrup> anarchival: OOOOH!!
22:49 <@anarchival> northrup: Yeah, I was going to give a talk on that on SkyDogCon but he's a rat bastard.
22:50 <@anarchival> northrup: You know about GNURadio, yes>
22:50 <@anarchival> northrup: that was supposed to be a question mark
22:50 < northrup> anarchival: Yep, pretty slick stuff there
22:51 < northrup> This stuff is pretty awesome too http://www.flex-radio.com
22:51 < GateKeeper> Title: FlexRadio Systems - Software Defined Radios ::: FlexRadio Systems (at www.flex-radio.com)
22:51 < northrup> anarchival: it would appear though, that apart from GNURadio, most (if not all) of the SDR software is made for Window$
22:52 <@anarchival> northrup: Yep. David can tell you everything about that.
22:52 <@anarchival> Also, because Erlang: http://www.tapr.org/pdf/DCC2007-FSM-VR-Kernel-AB2KT.pdf
22:52 <@anarchival> northrup: Yep, that's David's chief frustration, and something he wants to fix.
22:53 < aestetix_> vaglina
22:53 <@anarchival> northrup: Frankly with the ratio of Linux users to ham radio enthusiasts that I know, it seems pretty strange.
22:53 <@anarchival> quimstake
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22:56 < northrup> anarchival: I agree with you, but I think it's just the company we keep. Sadly I think a fair amount of hams are Windows guys
22:58 <@anarchival> northrup: I think a fair amount of hams just aren't into hacking computers the way they are into radios and antennas, which seems strange to me, but my species is often strange to me.
23:05 <@anarchival> I just can't get over this crazy motherfucker Abdul-Jabbar Ma'rafi.
23:07 <@anarchival> Live From Baghdad should have been about this guy.
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