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00:00 <@oddball> Talking to RangerZ1
00:00 < aestetix_> oh
00:00 <@oddball> Comcast's residential accounts in Nashville have bandwidth caps.  Their business accounts do not.
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00:18 < RangerZ1> yep
00:18 < RangerZ1> I'm probably going to switch next month or so
00:18 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: I don't want to hear it
00:19 < RangerZ1> I worked 2 jobs, for combined 52hrs/ week, went to school full time 12 hours, and 6 of them were for honors credit
00:19 < RangerZ1> i about killed myself that semester
00:51 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/07/levi-carter-_n_4557700.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
00:51 < GateKeeper> Title: Levi Carter Arrested For DWI After Blood Alcohol Level Allegedly Too High For Breathalyzer (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
00:52 <@Corydon76-work> Now that's how to drink:  so high, it breaks the freaking test
00:57 <@oddball> holy shit.
01:01 < RangerZ1> fuck ... thats drunk
01:38 < aestetix_> Fuck yes.
01:39 < aestetix_> Someone is running for Mayor of Oakland, using an anti-DAC stance as his platform.
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01:53 <@SuMo_D> is he a terror squid?
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03:51 < aestetix_> vagina
04:25 <@NotLarry> ok, chest pains
04:25 <@NotLarry> Corydon76-work: I don't think it broke the test.  The article says the tester said "HI"
04:26 <@NotLarry> I think that might reference the 3rd show of season 2 of the x-files
04:26 <@NotLarry> not sure
04:28 <@NotLarry> I should go wake up my coworker.  He went to lunch at 1:20
06:06 < aestetix_> Here's an idea
06:07 < aestetix_> Have a poop club. Everyone comes with a bucket, takes a dump in it, and then compares. The best poo wins a prize.
06:18 <@NotLarry> aestetix_: that is not a very good idea.
06:23 <@NotLarry> And by not a ver good idea I mean...
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06:23 <@NotLarry> muahahahaha
07:16 <@Shadow404> waz up slackers
07:19 <@Shadow404> bahaha
07:19 <@Shadow404> Chris Hadfield .@Cmdr_Hadfield 2h
07:19 <@Shadow404> Good Morning! With hockey season in full swing & the Olympics approaching, I think this goalie needs to stretch more. pic.twitter.com/alw6QWvx1M
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07:48 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:56 <@Shadow404> whats up Dole-SoreAss
07:56 <@Shadow404> feeling better today i assume?
07:57 <@Dolemite> I could hear my own farts yesterday, so I'm back to being a tight ass.
08:00 <@Shadow404> lawl
08:16 < RangerZ1> anyone with gmail, should be on the lookout for a new setting, that allows people to email your google+ account
08:16 < RangerZ1> and switch it off of 'anyone'
08:16  * RangerZ1 has a bad premonition of 'some' kind of spamming or something
08:27 <@sdodson> i get so much misdirected email
08:27 <@sdodson> i think they're really phishing attempts
08:27 <@sdodson> "Dear Shane Dodson, Thank you for joining Citibank, click here to log into your account."
08:27 <@sdodson> s != shane
08:28 <@brimstone> are you sdodson@gmail?
08:28 <@brimstone> i hear first initial last name people get a TON of spam/misdirected email
08:28 <@sdodson> brimstone, yeah
08:29 <@sdodson> Some bitch even signed for ebay with it and bought some fake nails.
08:29 <@sdodson> brimstone, Shaniqualiqua Dodson in Atlanta, you wanna go razz her up for me?
08:29 <@brimstone> how?
08:29 <@sdodson> brimstone, ebay never has you validate your email address
08:29 <@brimstone> without confirming the email address?
08:30 <@brimstone> or did you confirm it for her?
08:30 <@sdodson> so i called and had em shut it down
08:30 <@sdodson> and more importantly i changed her password which should keep her out as she doesn't have access to the email
08:31 <@sdodson> ... i think
08:31 <@sdodson> Maybe using 'password' as my password was a bad idea?
08:32 <@Dolemite> Mine appears to already be set to limit messages from people in my Extended Circles
08:32 <@Dolemite> I wonder if they're just changing the default for new accounts?
08:32 <@Dolemite> sdodson: Don't be such an idiot.  Everybody knows 'password' is too easy.  Use 'secret' instead.
08:33 <@sdodson> Dolemite, sage advice my old friend
08:33 <@Dolemite> Oh, damn.  I mean
08:33 <@Dolemite> sdodson:  die!!!
08:33 <@Dolemite> What are you doing these days?
08:34 <@Dolemite> Apparently several Red Hat labs/locations are using openDCIM.  I get emails from them on the list from time to time.
08:34 <@Dolemite> Makes me wonder if you still run a lab over there or not
08:35 <@sdodson> Dolemite, no. I'm the architect for https://access.redhat.com
08:35 <@sdodson> Dolemite, I suspect the labs using it are engineering labs.
08:35 <@sdodson> I dunno what openDCIM does. I gotta run to work now.
08:35 <@Dolemite> There's a data center over in AsiaPac that's using it, I know, but then also some labs in the US
08:36 < RangerZ1> sdodson: its a datacenter managament spywware that Dolemite wrote for vandy/NSA
08:36 <@Dolemite> sdodson: It's the web based inventory management app that Evilpig and I maintain
08:36 <@sdodson> And by architect I mean "I bitch at developers when they produce crap but never get my way. But when the site goes down or is slow it's my ass on the line and the developers and product owners are yelling at my manager."
08:36 < RangerZ1> I like my answer better
08:36 <@Dolemite> RangerZ1: I can neither confirm or deny your statement
08:37 < RangerZ1> its written in PHP & JS, so its obviously a security vector
08:37 <@Dolemite> sssshhhhh
08:38 <@Dolemite> I just committed a fix where we were a little too strict on user rights.  If you had the "Admin My Own Devices" right, it wasn't allowing you to delete them.
08:38 <@Shadow404> i use 'god' for my password
08:38 <@Dolemite> Shadow404: It's common for people to use words in reverse for their password, so that makes sense
08:38 <@Shadow404> and my laptop uses RISC
08:39 <@Shadow404> and has a 28.8bps modem
08:39 <@Dolemite> Do you go around the office sniffing your coworkers butts?
08:39 <@sdodson> Shadow404, you don't know what those words mean, you're not fooling anyone.
08:39 < RangerZ1> Shadow404: nice 'hackers' reference
08:39 <@Shadow404> RangerZ1: ^5
08:39 <@sdodson> Dolemite, you have any names?
08:40 <@Dolemite> sdodson: Yeah, 3.  I'll PM them to you.
09:31 <@Dolemite> I find myself having to go deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole...  it's like a train wreck of every church potluck dinner that I had to go to as a kid...   http://www.midcenturymenu.com
10:01 <@Dagmar>  Guten morgen
10:02 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: I think homepass did some updates last night or something, backend
10:02 < RangerZ1> for an hour, the only people I could see were you and wilpig, from each one
10:03 <@Dagmar> That would have been some kind of purge.
10:03 <@Dagmar> Maybe they're getting around to doing something tigher with location analysis...
10:03 <@Dagmar> I have noticed that the Internet Zone icon no longer predictably lights up every time I'm spoofing
10:03 < RangerZ1> same
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10:03 < RangerZ1> takes 2~3 locations before it does now
10:04 <@Dagmar> I'm still not sure what mechanism it uses for that.  I'll have to start taking some logs and seeing if there's anything about it that's not client-side
10:04 <@Shadow404> what is homepass?
10:05 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Nintendo has this 'Streetpass' thing so that when DS owners get near each other with, their units will be polling over wireless for each other, and will swap Mii data and some other chunks of data related to some of the games
10:05 <@Dolemite> Hrmm.  I may need to adjust my VMs after migrating from ESX 5.0 to 5.5.  My web server shows a load of 3.27, yet cpu is at 99% idle, 0% wait.
10:05 <@Dagmar> ...for things like Animal Crossing: New Leaf, it copies the home you've built into an area on the other person's world meant to be a showcase of other people's homes.
10:06 <@Dagmar> In Pokemon X/Y each person you pass grants you a certain number of 'Pokemiles' which can be traded in for potions and things.
10:06 <@Dagmar> THere are also two mini-games built into the 3DS that basically *require* you collect Mii avatars this way
10:06 <@Dagmar> Since Japanese gamers use mass-transit and will generally see 5-20 people a week normally, it works fine there.
10:07 < RangerZ1> the _only_ place I've ever actually ran into people with 3DSs is 1) Vandy Engineering building (never saw one, but it uses wifi to tag each other in passing) and 2) Greyhound bus
10:07 <@Dagmar> American gamers are practically compulsive loners byb comparison, so Nintendo set up this promotional mechanism where the 3DSs would look for open access points with the name 'Best Buy' or 'attwifi' (and a few others in other regions) and when they see them would phone home to Nintendo and store the information they would have transferred in a Streetpass hit there.
10:07 <@Dolemite> Ok, that was stupid.  Didn't remember to remount the NFS shares on the web server after migrating the file server.
10:08 <@Dagmar> Up to six people's data (per location) are cached, so now you can go to a 'Streetpass' location and it pretends you were actually near otehr gamers
10:08 <@Dagmar> The Homepass thing takes advantage of the fact that the primary key in Nintendo's database for storing this information is trivial.
10:08 <@Dagmar> It's the fucking SSID and MAC of the AP.
10:09 <@Dagmar> So, if you have say, a RT2571WF lying around, you can spoof both the SSID and MAC with the thing in AP mode, and your DS will think you're at a Streetpass location, and phone home, telling Nintendo that info, so they think you're at the local McDonalds.
10:10 <@Dagmar> We've got a shitty little shell script and a database of about 27 actual locations we've been using to spoof
10:10 <@Dagmar> Some other folks have just generated a list of bogus MACs because Nintendo's servers just *don't* care
10:11 <@Dagmar> With a little study, NIntendo *could* make the system a little pickier, because it *could* potentially detect something is afoot based on the apparent source IP of the TCP connection, or based on the IP range the AP hands out
10:11 <@Dagmar> ....or the general impossibility of someone managing to go from one location to another, repeatedly, in 90 seconds, for about an hour.
10:12 <@Dagmar> They just haven't done it yet.
10:12 <@Dagmar> part of the reason I've been collecting real-world locations is that I'm trying to be ready to go ahead and bypass any new restrictions they put into place
10:13 <@Dagmar> For about a dozen places I've collected all the information from the DHCP lease, in person.
10:13 <@Dagmar> I know the relationship between both APs at McDonald's and Fed-Ex locations
10:13 <@Dagmar> Nintendo might stop the kiddies, but they won't stop *us* until they come up with something that I figure is probably impossible
10:14 < RangerZ1> or time limit each hit to once an hour
10:14 <@Dagmar> They *might* have their hand forced by some of these little idiots tho
10:14 < RangerZ1> then we'll just be limited to 24/day
10:14 <@Dagmar> The 3DS *won't* try to call home on a Streetpass, if it's seen it recently.
10:15 <@Dagmar> ...but it only keeps track of about 8.
10:15 <@Dagmar> If someone spoofs a dozen in a row, the 3DS will just keep on connecting, even though it'll mark everyone at the location invalid for a new match because they're within the 8 hour window.
10:15 <@Dagmar> It's got to be adding server load with the kids who are just cycling APs all night
10:16 < RangerZ1> which is funny... b/c you don't actually 'get' anything after 10 people
10:16 < RangerZ1> for most things, other than a few games
10:18 <@Dagmar> Well, clearly each app can designate how large it's storage area for data is
10:19 < RangerZ1> yeah
10:19 < RangerZ1> RPGs generally give 50
10:19 <@Dagmar> The Mii courtyard thing maxes out at ten.  Bravely Default rather obviously tops out at 1.
10:19 <@Dagmar> pokemon just keeps counting
10:19 < RangerZ1> its 50 or 99
10:19 < RangerZ1> i forget
10:20 < RangerZ1> the notifications area tells you max
10:20 < RangerZ1> etrian odyssey 4 is 99, fire emblem is 50
10:20 <@Dagmar> 99 for Pokemon
10:20 <@Dagmar> ...since it's just incrementing a counter.
10:20 <@Dagmar> It would be funny if it would clone in their team
10:21 < RangerZ1> yeah
10:22 <@Dagmar> *Maybe* by the weekend I'll have a working bit of perl that can monitor the status of whether or not there's a 3DS talking over the wireless doing a Streetpass transaction
10:23 <@Dagmar> I'm still trying to work out what's the most restrictive tcpdump filter I can get away with and still tell what's going on
10:23 <@Shadow404> thats pretty cool Dagmar, neat project
10:26 <@Dagmar> I dunno.  There's a degree to which I am concerned it'll facilitate some pedo stalking hundreds of children at once if I released mine publicly.
10:26 <@Dagmar> If someone else takes that karmic hit, it's their problem, not mine
10:26 <@brimstone> nah, don't worry about it
10:26 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: you know thats why they killed the note app
10:27 <@brimstone> if it does, the feds will let you know
10:27 <@brimstone> we can trust them, right?
10:27 < RangerZ1> b/c 2 guys in JPN were sending pics of their dicks to girls
10:27 <@Dagmar> Oh I'm quite certain that's why they killed the Swapnote Streetpass functionality
10:27 <@Dagmar> You could take a picture of your junk, put it in as a Streetpass note, and it would be given to EVERYONE you Streetpassed with
10:27 <@Dagmar> They were very careful to keep that out of the press
10:28 <@Dagmar> You guys joke, but there's still one avenue of communication with strangers over streetpass
10:28 <@Dagmar> You're allowed to set a short phrase your Mii will say as a greeting
10:28 < RangerZ1> and its long enough for friend code
10:28 <@brimstone> "penis"
10:28 < RangerZ1> which is silly
10:28 <@Dagmar> The second time you see a Mii, you can then set a greeting just for *them* that will go back into the system
10:29 <@Dagmar> You could exchange email addresses or phone numbers there no problem, and I've seen more than a few people putting hashtags for their websites up there
10:29 < RangerZ1> i've seen one with a full URL for french gaming site
10:30 <@Dagmar> Yeah, Nintendo might stomp on people's heads for that one, because in theory they're taking a lot of money from McDonalds to use this for cross-promotion, and I doubt that gaming site has paid them a cernt
10:30 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: my impression of pedophilic activity is always that it's about getting into the mind of a kid, and not about casting a wide net.
10:30 <@Dagmar> ...and they're probably spoofing sevrers like mad
10:31 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Yeah and I take the view that the first step is in establishing a private method of communication
10:31 <@Dagmar> They might be having some success with casting a wide net for the same reason that phishing scammers cast a wide ner
10:32 <@Dagmar> ...or they could be collecting FBI agents at an alarming rate.  I neither know nor care since I ain't stalking little kids.
10:32 <@Dagmar> ...but the potential is there.
10:32 <@Dagmar> I *was* making jokes about free candy and a van with this one dude, but he started it.  Heh
10:33 <@Corydon76-work> Would these short messages be enough to propagate an invitation to Skype and a Skype handle?
10:34 <@Dagmar> How long are those?
10:34 <@Corydon76-work> Variable length
10:34 <@Dagmar> It'll certainly take a friend code, a shortened URL, or a not-very-long email address.
10:34 <@Corydon76-work> Minimum might be 4 or 6 characters, although that length is increasingly difficult to find
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> In any case, "Skype: " would likely have to be the prefix
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> at a minimum
10:35 <@Dagmar> Not really.  You could say "Skype info coming" the first day, and then just give the bare address the next
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> How long is the maximum length of the message?
10:35 <@Dagmar> I *think* the message limit is 20-22 character
10:36 <@Dagmar> RangerZ has his unit nearby probably so he'd be able to check
10:36 <@Dagmar> I am supposed to be toting mine to work to streetpass with someone here, but I keep fucking forgetting
10:37 <@Corydon76-work> That ought to be enough to give a complete message, assuming they have skype on a cellphone
10:38 <@Dagmar> Yeah there's more than enough capability for sommeone to establish an OOB communication channel using just the Streetpass greetings
10:38 <@Dagmar> I'v enever doubted that
10:39 <@Dagmar> They disabled the Swapnote functionality *entirely* because they were panicked.
10:39 <@Dagmar> In their announcement, they said it was because people were exchanging friend codes on forums, and then sending offensive messages to each other.
10:39 <@Corydon76-work> lol
10:39 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure it was because you could attach pictures (in 3D even!) to your Mii and it would swap them with strangers over Streetpass Relay
10:40 <@Corydon76-work> So Streetpass shares that picture within anybody in range?
10:41 <@Dagmar> Yes.
10:41 <@Dagmar> ...or it *used* to.
10:41 <@Dagmar> They killed *all* the note sharing functionality, effectively killing the app
10:41 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I can definitely see that as pedo porn heaven
10:42 <@Dagmar> I was thinking 'stranger shocking' fans, myself
10:42 <@Corydon76-work> Someone could basically just drive around and collect pictures
10:42 <@Dagmar> Or, someone could sit at home, and spoof the relays, and send pictures of their junk (or lemon party, or whatever they like) to random strangers all over the world.
10:42 <@Dagmar> The 3DS can't tell the difference between pictures you take with it, and pictures from elsewhere.
10:43 <@Dagmar> ...and the format it uses ain't that hard.
10:43 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, but I'm less concerned about shock photos
10:43 <@Dagmar> I was trying to cobble up 3D pics from Minecraft the first night
10:43 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: Eddie was asking if you like your new gig ok?
10:44 <@Dagmar> Yes
10:44 <@Dagmar> There's much less bullshit here
10:44 <@Dagmar> Hogan can go fuck himself
10:44 <@Dagmar> Seriously.
10:44 <@NotLarry> I told him I never see you complain in channel about it.
10:44 <@Corydon76-work> Pedos _love_ the blackmail angle, of "do this or I show your broadcasted photo to your parents"
10:44 <@Dagmar> Ther'es nothign much to complain about here
10:45 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: yeah but in this case, I suspect if someone's *already* giving pix to all comers, they're not going to be terribly concerned about that
10:45 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: kids aren't always that smart
10:45 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: and the usual pedo MO is one of escalation, where they ask to first take OTHER photos of the kid
10:46 <@Corydon76-work> and then each escalated photo allows the pedo to blackmail the kid into getting more intimate with the kid, until it gets physical
10:47 <@Corydon76-work> but it all starts with that hook
10:49 <@Corydon76-work> Kids don't typically have reasoning abilities sufficient to see that exposure of the other photos is far more damaging to the pedo than to the kid, which is why to someone with full reasoning capability, the photos don't seem to be blackmail-worthy
10:50  * NotLarry sharpens the scissors
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10:51 <@Corydon76-work> Although, honestly, the service provider is likely far more concerned about the service having a reputation for serving dick pics to unsuspecting users than the long, involved explanation I just gave.
10:52 <@Dagmar> Yep
10:54 <@Dagmar> Nintendo would have to spin off a new division called 'We Handle Complaints From Angry Mothers Heavy Industries' if word got out to the press about their Penises for Everyone program.
10:54 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: wow, new micro parrot coming out soon
10:54 <@Shadow404> fits in your hand
10:54 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Probably drifts off course if someone farts
10:54 <@Shadow404> i would say indoor only
10:54 <@Dagmar> ...but still, for indoors shit, good stuff
10:54 <@Shadow404> and stay away from a/c, drafts
10:54 <@Shadow404> like Dolemite right now
10:54 <@Dagmar> ...and flatulence.
10:55 <@Shadow404> hence, i said Dolemite
10:55 <@Dagmar> heh
10:55 <@Dolemite> beans give me the winds
10:55 <@Shadow404> so do exams
10:56 <@Dagmar> Okay, clearly, if I'm going to track when a fucking 3DS is in the middle of a Streetpass Relay transaction, I'm going to have to use -v... which means I'll have to *unfold* the fucking output from tcpdump.
10:56 <@Dagmar> I hate that.
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11:23 <@Dolemite> Hrmm.  Since my afternoon consists of a long conference call, I think I will go home and ignore the other participants from the comfort of my own home.
11:23 <@Dolemite> Ciao!
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11:39 <@NotLarry> God damn it!  I was going to watch this movie but then there was this warning about the FBI at the beginning and now I'm fucked.
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12:47 <@Evilpig> damnit
12:47 <@Evilpig> apparently hbo came to the nyc office yesterday to screen the new episode of girls before it airs
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13:06 < nachoguy> yeah, but you would have to watch with your pants on
13:06 < nachoguy> so where's the fun in that?
13:07 < klixa> there is always some messed up convo going on in here....
13:08 < nachoguy> (11:37:29 AM) Evilpig: damnit
13:08 < nachoguy> (11:37:47 AM) Evilpig: apparently hbo came to the nyc office yesterday to screen the new episode of girls before it airs
13:08 <@eryc> what is girls
13:08 < nachoguy> HBO show
13:08 < nachoguy> I've never seen it
13:09 <@Dagmar> My guess is that it's a show with an episode about chicks posting "inappropriate" photos to Tumblr as a plot device.
13:09 <@Corydon76-work> In other words, it's a reality show (as scripted and fake as all other reality shows)?
13:10 <@eryc> nachoguy your clock is off by 10mins
13:11 <@Corydon76-work> That's not terrible.  Some states are off by 50 years
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13:17 <@Dagmar> heh
13:23 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I'd say it's closer to sex in the city with a really fugly main character
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13:24 <@Evilpig> however she has ocd and her ticks are starting to take over.  it's like a trainwreck that you can't turn away from
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13:26 <@Dagmar> A .467?  Holy shit
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13:33 <@Corydon76-work> It's an accomplishment, isn't it?
13:34 <@Dagmar> He's got Rattle beat, that's for sure
13:35 <@Dagmar> If there's footage showing that guy even appearing to be sober, they could argue that the breathalyzer was malfunctioning horribly.
13:35 <@Dagmar> I'd be surprised to see someone able to walk anything resembling a straight line at that level.
13:35 <@Dagmar> ...or even tie their shoes.
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13:43 <@anarchival> Today on the PyLadies Organizers list, a local chapter struggles with whether to include a trans member. Sigh.
13:43 <@Dagmar> Goddamn sexist pigs.
13:44 <@anarchival> Oh and Matt Kenigson just signed up to attend the next Civic Brigade meeting. I really don't know how I feel about that. Probably shouldn't even have a feeling.
13:44 <@Dagmar> I'm going to refrain from comment.
13:48 <@anarchival> BTW, have you guys ever considered having a Meetup page?
13:48 <@anarchival> For the Nashville meeting, I mean.
13:49 <@Dagmar> Typically, the people that matter find out about is from 2600 Magazine
13:49 <@Dagmar> s/is/us/
13:50 <@anarchival> Okay. I could host a third Meetup for no additional cost, so that's available if y'all think it would attract some interested people.
13:53 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Yeah, I don't understand why there's such a problem from cis-women about trans-women.  They live their lives as women.  That's all that anybody needs to know.
13:55 <@Corydon76-work> When's the last time you've heard issues from cis-men about transmen in their midst?
13:56 <@Dickie> remind me, what is cis?
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13:56 <@Corydon76-work> Dickie: the person has a gender identity that matches their biology
13:57 <@Dagmar> Dickie: A telltale that lets you know you're dealing with an asshole
13:57 <@Dagmar> ...because it's just fucking stupid to expect a majority case to require prefixing.
13:57 <@Dickie> I mean, I guess I can see how it wouldn't be "pc" to call it "normal"
13:57 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I blame Germaine Greer, and her spiral into madness.
13:57 <@Dickie> Dagmar: yeah
13:57 <@Dagmar> I'd call it "normal" because it's statistically the majority.
13:57 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: it's commonly used to disambiguate when you're talking about such subjects
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13:58 <@Dagmar> It'
13:58 <@Dagmar> It's also _normal_.
13:58 <@Dickie> What's it short for?
13:58 <@Corydon76-work> Otherwise, it's better just to refer to those who appear to be women as women, and people who appear to be men as men.
13:58 <@Dagmar> Not that ther'es anything wrong with every other way, but it's still normal.
13:58 <@Corydon76-work> Dickie: No idea
13:58 <@Dagmar> I somewhat suspect that when it comes into play, it's because someone's too obsessed with other people's business.
13:59 <@Dagmar> I'm asking someone who I think might know
13:59 <@Dickie> So if someone is male, dresses male, appears male, and wants to be referred to and treated (which shouldb't matter) as female, isn't that just some guy looking for a fight?
14:00 <@Dickie> I'm not sure I understand some of what I just read
14:00 <@Dagmar> It might be somewhere in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender
14:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Cisgender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
14:00 <@Corydon76-work> Dickie: I think those people are commonly known as stereotypically gay
14:00 <@anarchival> I'll meet your Cisgender and raise you a transfeminism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfeminism
14:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Transfeminism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
14:00 <@Dickie> sounds like the "caucasioan, not white" hoo-ha
14:01 <@Dickie> I can't type
14:01 <@Dagmar> Ah yes.  See the Origins section of the wp article
14:01 <@anarchival> The reason "cisgender" doesn't make any sense to me is that "gender matching sex" is complete nonsense.
14:02 <@Dagmar> Well, there are contexts in which it might be appropriate.
14:02 <@Dagmar> Note that I do not say "There are contexts in which it is appropriate"
14:02 <@anarchival> Our culture tends to associate certain qualities with femininity, which it equates with females, and certain qualities with masculinity, which it associates with males.
14:02 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: That's why I said identity matching biology
14:02 <@Corydon76-work> The only thing that ought to matter is identity
14:02 <@anarchival> Femininity and masculinity are nonsense, though. At least in terms of sex associations. The only reason they seem real is because our culture, at the moment, enforces those ideas.
14:03 <@brimstone> masuclists
14:03 <@anarchival> Go back five hundred years; Western civilization's concepts of femininity and masculinity, and their associations with sex, were totally different.
14:04 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: while I grant you that our perceptions are not ingrained, ignoring cultural norms is likely to get you dismissed, instead of understood
14:04 <@anarchival> I can understand our need to have as many words as possible to help us define our personal identity, but then it starts to get silly.
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14:05 <@anarchival> If I tried to communicate every eccentricity of my personality and identity through labels we'd be here all day.
14:05 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I'm find with "male", "female", and "neither" as identities
14:05 <@Corydon76-work> err, fine
14:06 <@Corydon76-work> but I expect people to be willing to live their lives according to cultural norms associated with their identity
14:07 <@anarchival> I am generally uncomfortable with any roles society inflicts on individuals due to "norms," but that's probably because I'm so weird.
14:08 <@Corydon76-work> and to the extent that they disagree with those cultural norms, I expect them to work to change those cultural norms, instead of telling others to lump it.  If you're going to live outside of culture, then do so.  But don't live within it without conforming at least to some measure of it, according to your identity.
14:08 <@anarchival> I'd rather we all just applied an equal standard of respect across all human interaction, and called it a day. Then again, that would probably look a lot like fascism.
14:09 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: it would look like the logical extension of the Equal Rights Amendment
14:09 <@Corydon76-work> If men are permitted to be in public topless, then so are women.
14:09 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: It all goes back to the defeat of the ERA. Sigh.
14:09 <@Corydon76-work> No distinction between genders for restrooms, changing rooms, or anything else.
14:10 <@Dagmar> I'd like my bathrooms to stay clean, personally.
14:10 <@Corydon76-work> If you want privacy, then make *individual* changing rooms and *individual* rest rooms
14:10 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I'd be cool with that, but obviously some feminists have a serious problem with it.
14:10 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: The non-separation, I mean. Personal privacy would be a huge win.
14:11 <@Corydon76-work> You either have a shower room for everybody, or you have individual shower rooms for single persons.
14:14 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: some feminists truly haven't gotten the concept of equality
14:14 <@Corydon76-work> and I would mirror the claims of some to call them fauxminists
14:14 <@Shadow404> i say, co-ed shower rooms
14:14 <@Shadow404> no ones better than anyone else
14:15 <@Shadow404> hell, if women want active battle roles, thats the way it should be done in the military
14:15 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Some feminists consider equality to be at best a utopian fallacy, or at worst a trick by the patriarchy to maintain the status quo of marginalizing minorities.
14:15 <@Shadow404> and im all for women on the front line sharing the fight
14:16 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: that's clear bullshit in favor of replacing one power structure with another
14:16 <@Corydon76-work> It's easy to recognize those, though, as they typically claim that no man can be trusted
14:16 <@Corydon76-work> Uh, sexist much?
14:16 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: So not all of that is straightforward hypocrisy. Some of it is genuine ideology. Greer is a good example of that.
14:17 <@anarchival> Shadow404: Women are already integrated into the combat branches. That particular argument is over.
14:18 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: yes, but as I've said before, there are only two ways to change society.  You either throw out the existing power structure (revolution) or you convince the current power structure to change (evolution)
14:18 <@anarchival> I think they managed to do it without co-ed showers, too. Probably because most forward positions don't necessarily have showers, anyway.
14:18 <@Shadow404> but there shouldnt be any co-ed in boot camp either
14:18 <@Shadow404> a battle unit is just that, one unit
14:18 <@Shadow404> not to be seperated by sex
14:20 <@Corydon76-work> If the radical feminists are unable to overthrow the culture, then they're going to have to learn to convince others to evolve, which is completely contrary to their absolutist philosophy.
14:20 <@Dagmar> They could also just shut the fuck up and try to get along with other people, you know... leading by example.
14:21 <@Dagmar> Of course, that's probably crazy talk
14:21 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: Yes, that would be evolving culture
14:21 <@Dagmar> If you don't willfully separate from common culture then there's nothing special about being an asshole
14:22 <@anarchival> Hackers lecturing feminists on developing social skills is some funny shit.
14:22 <@Dagmar> When they have to do is tragic
14:22 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I'm not a utopian, so I agree with you there.
14:23 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: not at all.  Social engineering is a type of social skill
14:23 <@Dagmar> Case in point, in the place where I asked about 'cis', I got bitched at by the person who is the reason I ever heard about it
14:23 <@Corydon76-work> and social engineering is actually _precisely_ what you have to do to change culture
14:23 <@Dagmar> Clearly, it's required to identify as a member of a subculture before you can absolve yourself of just being a dick
14:24 <@Dagmar> THey were upset by my inquiring whether or not it was just something someone made the fuck up
14:24 <@Dagmar> ...which it turns out IS THE CASE.
14:24 <@Dagmar> ...but at least they had the sense to base it on latin roots.
14:24 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I can imagine a scenario in which you asked this question, but due to your general manner or past experiences where you were perhaps not, it was not taken as genuine.
14:24 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: heh, all language is made up
14:24 <@Dagmar> Like, oh my god forgive me for treading on your specialness
14:24 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Yep yep yep
14:25 <@Dagmar> There's good ways to make up new words, and there's wrong ways... like 'yolo'.
14:25 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I agree with your approach. It's one of the reasons the other anarcha-feminist hackers and I don't get along.
14:25 <@Dagmar> Everything that led to 'yolo' could die in a fire and society would be no worse off.
14:25 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: They tend to come out of a different school of feminism.
14:26 <@Dagmar> anarchival: The guy in question has some baggage
14:26 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: first time I heard the term, I was on a nature hike with other hackers
14:26 <@Dagmar> anarchival: He busted out with it in a context in which it did not belong and was not necessary
14:27 <@Dagmar> To which my perfectly reasonable response was "What kind of politically correct bullshit have you been smoking?"
14:27 <@Corydon76-work> While I understand the idea of building acronyms so we can discuss complex ideas, abso-fucking-lutely can be built on top of "yolo"
14:27 <@Corydon76-work> +nothing
14:27  * Dagmar hands Corydon his dropped 'nothing'
14:27 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, thank you.  I tend to drop shit when I'm feeling outraged.
14:35 <@anarchival> So now it's not a trans member, but a "gender neutral" member. Speaking of social engineering, I think that PyLadies is getting hacked.
14:37 < RangerZ> no no no... its "PyLadies are getting penetrated"
14:37 <@Corydon76-work> Probably, but unless the person is an asshole, I don't think it'll matter too much.
14:37 < RangerZ> how else are we going to make lewd omments ?
14:40 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yeah, I think it's the "if" they're worried about. The motivation behind segregating is often that they're trying to avoid the confrontations that become inevitable in other groups. So then they really, really don't want any confrontations in the segregated group, which they try to avoid by being very explicit in their purpose and membership.
14:42 <@Dagmar> Lately i'd say it's not "often"
14:42 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Yet still, if some asshole misogynist is spoiling for a fight, then crashing the women's group seems like a logical step.
14:42 <@Dagmar> It's much less frequently than that.
14:43 <@Dagmar> Lately "often" it's to set new standards so that someone can declare themselves special by the new, more limited standards.
14:43 <@anarchival> Dagmar: You mean it's often not their motivation in starting a women's group to avoid confrontation in other groups?
14:43 <@Dagmar> Recently I'm seeing the motivation as more approaching 50/50
14:44 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I can only speak from my experience in forming the local women's programmer group, and what I've observed in conversation with other organizers.
14:45 <@anarchival> Dagmar: There's a contingent that's out to "ADA all the conferences and user groups," certainly.
14:45 <@anarchival> Dagmar: They think of that as the next step beyond sequestering themselves in women-only "safe spaces."
14:45 <@Dagmar> Yes, and fuck those people
14:46 <@Dagmar> They're causing a bigger problem than the one they claim to be against
14:46 <@Dagmar> This is not improvememnt
14:46 <@Dagmar> ...and I wonder what people would say about someone startinng a "White Programmers" group
14:47 <@anarchival> Dagmar: It's improvement for women who are accustomed to socializing with groups who have much better manners than hackers typically do. I appreciate it's not at all in alignment with hacker culture.
14:47 <@Dagmar> They could, of course, accept the possibility that they should encourage people to get some manners.
14:48 <@Dagmar> ...that they might, in fact, have a duty as a member of that group, to encourage the other members to slow civilizations decent into complete savagery.
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14:48 <@anarchival> Dagmar: That's what they're doing. At least, that's what they think they're doing. The ADA code is pretty damn Miss Manners.
14:48 <@Dagmar> The ADA code is pretty fucking exclusivist.
14:49 <@Dagmar> All they're doing is creating two problems.
14:49 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I accept such arrangements, only insofar as they are considered subgroups of large usergroups.  The segregation ought to be temporary in every sense, encouraging the subgroup to engage with the larger group, as soon as they're sufficiently confident to do so
14:49 <@Dagmar> ...one of which exacerbates the original problem.
14:50 <@Dagmar> If there's no end to "women should join this women-only group because the men over there are mashers" then there's likely to be little, if any, change to the status quo.
14:50 <@anarchival> Dagmar: True.
14:50 <@Dagmar> It also paints the *entire* other group as unsuitable.
14:51 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Frankly, at least on the local level, the women's group was formed after they'd given up on the other groups ever being a welcoming place. :(
14:51 <@Dagmar> ...which gives the people in that group who *might* have manners little, if any, incentive, to keep attempting to recivilize the edge cases
14:51 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I have to disagree with that. A few bad apples spoil the barrel. It's only a failure of the entire group insofar as those bad apples aren't dealt with in such a way that they can't continue ruining the experience for others.
14:52 <@Dagmar> Yeah, there's the other problem again
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14:52 <@Dagmar> If the women who are so put upon refuse to show up, the guys with manners never get to see whose behaviour they need to address.
14:53 <@Dagmar> It's the assumption and implication that the _entire_ other group is tainted beyond repair.
14:53 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Well, you'll notice that I still attend the other groups, at least the ones I have a legitimate interest in.
14:54 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Partly that's because I've grown skin like a crocodile over the past fifteen years, and am in a much better position to deal with bullshit than some of the other women in the community.
14:54 <@Dagmar> Yes, this is good.
14:54 <@Dagmar> I also expect that while you're around if you see someone being a masher, you'll have the good sense to report it to me.
14:54 <@Dagmar> I'll take the karmic hit for addressing someone's bad upbringing.
14:54 <@anarchival> Dagmar: A lot of this is about maturity. Women get tougher as they get older. Younger women entering the field just don't have the coping skills yet, and as the Millennials into the fray we're seeing a massive backlash due to that.
14:55 <@Dagmar> I don't disagree
14:55 <@anarchival> s/into/enter
14:55 <@anarchival> Dagmar: But yes, I think it's more the responsibility of the other guys in the group, particularly those in positions of leadership, to check the bad behavior.
14:55 <@Dagmar> PN3 we had a couple of girls show up, drink irresponsibly, and so on
14:56 <@Dagmar> One of the guys there had it into his head that their inebriated state and inexperience equalled an opportunity for him.
14:56 <@Dagmar> I "explained things".
14:56  * klixa likes to drink irresponsibly...
14:56 <@anarchival> Dagmar: This is for many reasons, including but not limited to, we shouldn't expect the people being targeted to fight off their attackers alone especially when they're not prepared for it, and when another dude says it it just sounds better. :)
14:57 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: btw, it is presently my intention not to show up for the January NLUG meeting and instead go to the PHP Users Group
14:57 <@Dagmar> We all drink irresponsibly, and I made it clear that any "regretful" actions, I'd be taking out on him, and that he should in fact, keep an eye out for their welfare just like he would anyone else
14:57 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Godspeed.
14:58 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I wouldn't go to PHP even if it didn't conflict with NLUG, but I'm happy with the conflict as it stands. ;)
14:58 <@Corydon76-work> I'm intentionally trying to branch out to other user groups, and since NLUG always conflicts with PHP UG...
14:58 <@anarchival> Dagmar: That was excellent of you. I say this without sarcasm.
14:58 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, but I primarily do PHP for my current job
14:58 <@Dagmar> Anarchival: Ther'es also the other thing the ADA people like to pull out, that their victim cases never say anything about it.
14:58 <@Dagmar> They'd find a whole 'nother outcome if they did
14:59 <@Dagmar> We need more incidents where chicks *say something* if there's bad behaviour
14:59 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: In that case, it makes sense. It's usually an interesting presentation, if you do PHP.
14:59 <@Dagmar> Like right then and there, calling guys out
14:59 < klixa> some women like *bad behaavior*
14:59 <@Dagmar> There's enough of us sane and reasonable types around that ther'es a good chance someone will step up to represent reasonable behaviour
14:59 <@anarchival> Dagmar: That falls back on the "confrontation is scary" problem, particularly when a guy is already harassing you.
15:00 <@Dagmar> klixa: Yeah but it's a think *smart* guys learn to feel out without crossing the line straight into ass grabbing
15:00 <@Dagmar> anarchival: strangers are generally scaey
15:00 <@Dagmar> er scary
15:00 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I'm perfectly willing to stab a bitch. Spoiling for it, even. But most women have a sincere concern for their safety and are not prepared to be confrontational with a dude like that.
15:00 < klixa> Dagmar: oh...yeah ass grabbing is definately beyond *bad behavior*
15:01 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, complaining to the guys who would have intervened later isn't exactly a winning approach to problem solving
15:01 <@anarchival> Dagmar: But yes, they should at least be willing to raise their hands, or immediately report it so they can get a third party to help mediate.
15:01 <@Dagmar> anarchival: yep
15:01 <@Dagmar> I can handle mediation without violence.  :)
15:01 <@Dagmar> I just feel that violence adds entertainment value.  =)
15:01 <@Shadow404> Woooot, Im going to a Nasa Social media event, just got confirmed on the invite list!!! http://www.nasa.gov/content/see-our-next-communications-satellite-launch-from-florida-at-a-nasa-social/#.UtBRV9JDvLM
15:01 < GateKeeper> Title: See Our Next C (at www.nasa.gov)
15:02 <@anarchival> Shadow404: Nice!
15:02 <@Dagmar> K so I've been sitting at this chair for about six hours now.
15:02 < klixa> lol @ entertainment value
15:02 <@Dagmar> Mother nautre just rang her little bell.  Now to try walking calmly to the bathroom
15:05 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, come on, ass grabbing is definitely not bad behavior, especially when Shadow404 says, "Just don't grab my ass"
15:05 <@Corydon76-work> That just means you HAVE to
15:06 < klixa> Corydon76-work: if the guy is cute its not bad behavior...if hes ugly its rape
15:06 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: whatever Shadow404 is, he's not ugly
15:07 < klixa> the attractiveness only matters for the grabber, not the grabbee
15:07 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, okay.  Does it matter that he consented to a hug prior to telling me not to grab his ass?
15:08 < klixa> consenting to a hug is just asking for an ass grabbing
15:08 < klixa> everyone knows this
15:08 <@Corydon76-work> lol
15:08  * klixa wonders why she has no female friends
15:08 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: hey, that rule still stands!!!
15:09 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: for the record, since I don't recognize your nick, you know that both Shadow404 and myself are male, right?
15:09  * Shadow404 blushes at klixa 
15:09 <@Shadow404> thx
15:09 <@Shadow404> and how do u know what i look like?
15:09 < klixa> Corydon76-work: yeah, i figured it out when you referred to him as *he* and then your name juyst looks masculinbe
15:10  * klixa is not male
15:10 <@Dagmar> *whew*
15:10 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: your photo is on the IRC stats page
15:10 <@Corydon76-work> http://se2600.org/ircstats/
15:10 < GateKeeper> Title: #se2600 @ Freenode stats by Evilpig (at se2600.org)
15:11 < klixa> damnit, which pic is it
15:11 <@Corydon76-work> Oddly, my photo is still of me with glasses, though I've been without them for 5 years
15:11 <@Shadow404> ah yeah
15:11 < klixa> its too much work trying to find each of you
15:12 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404 is 6th, I'm 7th.
15:12 <@Shadow404> ah, cordydon and i are heavy talkers
15:12 <@Shadow404> so near the top
15:12 <@Dagmar> Goddamnl LAZY
15:12 <@Shadow404> yeah what Corydon76-work just said
15:12 <@Dagmar> The pics come in the order hte names do
15:12 <@Dagmar> Also, tooltips.
15:12 < klixa> ah
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15:13  * klixa determines if Shadow404 and Corydon76-work grabbing ass is ok or rape
15:13 <@Corydon76-work> ware's quote for the day is priceless
15:13 <@Dagmar> Also sorted in order of appeal to women
15:13 <@Dagmar> heh
15:13 <@Shadow404> its rape if Corydon76-work does it
15:14 < klixa> i dunno...it's a stalemate...so i guess it depends on how many beers the grabbee has had
15:14 <@Shadow404> nope, not gonna happen
15:14 < klixa> Shadow404: and didnt he already grab your ass? so...are you a victim?
15:15 <@Shadow404> yes, i have been a victim every hacker con hes been at
15:15 <@Corydon76-work> I really don't care one way or the other.  There are plenty of bottoms in this area
15:15 <@Dagmar> hehe that's the spirit!
15:15 < aestetix_> what is ware's quote of the day
15:15  * klixa drinks a beer
15:15 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: paste that quote, i wont dear load that page on a work laptop
15:16 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: you do realize that I never would have grabbed your ass if you hadn't said anything about it, right?
15:16 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: probably
15:16 <@Corydon76-work> "Shadow404: im well on my way to 6 figures a year"
15:16 < klixa> opportunistic
15:16 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: ware's
15:16 <@Corydon76-work> Yep
15:16 <@Shadow404> ah, ok
15:16 <@Shadow404> i thought it was the corydon in jail for rape line
15:16 < aestetix_> uhhh
15:16 <@Corydon76-work> In other words, bitch ass hasn't yet figured out how to get someone to pay him that much
15:16 <@Shadow404> it must of rotated
15:17 < aestetix_> sounds like ware is drinking some kool-aid
15:17 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: rotates every 24 hours.  Don't you pay attention to Pig?
15:17 <@Shadow404> yeah, i just clued into that
15:17 <@Shadow404> shush
15:17 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix_: we think he's now working in construction
15:17 <@Dagmar> Oh we know how to get paid that much--we just don't like what we'd have to do for it.
15:18 <@Dagmar> You want six figures?  Go be a network field engineer in the Middle East.
15:18 <@Dagmar> ...but fuck that.
15:18 <@Dagmar> ...and Ware works in an office.
15:19 < aestetix_> you know
15:19 < aestetix_> construction does pay well
15:19 < aestetix_> of course that's because it's really hard work
15:19 <@Dagmar> Yep.
15:19 < klixa> constrcution only pays well if you are a sub contraectore...and arent even the one doing the work
15:19 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: I know he USED to, but he also acknowledged telling off his boss and getting fired
15:19 < klixa> the pawns in it, make nothing
15:19 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Ahhh
15:20 <@Corydon76-work> and since he said he now works building out data centers, we figured that meant construction
15:20 <@Dagmar> klixa: Maybe they should get green cards then
15:20 < klixa> maybe
15:21 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: depends upon whether they're union workers or not
15:21 <@Corydon76-work> Though I think ware is going to be greatly disappointed in how long it takes him to get to 6 figures
15:22 < klixa> man... i have had like 20 people wanna see my baby in the last hour
15:22 < klixa> i hate babies
15:22 <@Dagmar> Then why are you toting one around?
15:22 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: just send us a photo
15:22 < klixa> Dagmar: well, mine is cool...i meant other peoples...like i dont get why so many people care
15:22 <@Dagmar> Because babies are cute and otherwise it's just cat pictures all the way down
15:23 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: it's the accepted social convention.
15:23 <@Dagmar> HOLD UP YOUR BABY TO BE JUDGED
15:23 <@Corydon76-work> I could care less about kids until they're old enough to hold an intelligent conversation
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15:23 < klixa> Corydon76-work: ++
15:24 <@Corydon76-work> Which is sometimes as early as 8, and sometimes as late as never.
15:24 <@Evilpig> i'm a never case. 
15:24 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: some of the people you've worked with are never cases
15:25 < klixa> Corydon76-work: my stepdaughter form a previous life at age 4 knew how to use computers better than most adults and talked like an adult
15:25 < klixa> so 8 is really old
15:25 < klixa> she could read at 3
15:25 < aestetix_> speaking of crap reporting
15:25 <@Evilpig> the houseplant is not a fair case study.  many people talk to plants
15:25 < aestetix_> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/8/court-rules-yelp-website-must-identify-seven-negat/?page=all#pagebreak
15:25 < GateKeeper> Title: Court rules YELP must ID negative reviewers; no constitutional protection - Washington Times (at www.washingtontimes.com)
15:25 <@Dagmar> I keep telling you people it's not that unusual
15:25 < aestetix_> there does not seem to be a link to the actual ruling
15:25 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I wonder how happy they'll be knowing their names are 'hairybutts@yahoo.ca"
15:26 <@Shadow404> i really hope ware never reproduces
15:26 <@Evilpig> I can either go see foghat, go out for a nice steak, or sit at home and play a game or work on some code.  what to do?
15:26 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I'll take your word for it, but 4 years old is a bit early... like bedwetting and other accidents "early" for intelligent conversation
15:26 <@Shadow404> steak and then play game and code
15:27 < klixa> Corydon76-work: well, she was ONLY around adults her entire life...it makes them turn out precocious
15:28 <@Corydon76-work> Well, and there are always certain limits to those intelligent conversation
15:28 < klixa> Corydon76-work: ok, let me revise...at age 4 the potential was apparent
15:29 <@Corydon76-work> You may be able to understand ideas, but rarely things like motivation are well-developed.
15:29 <@Corydon76-work> She might know how to allocate and free memory without the full understanding of why you might write a program that does those things
15:30 <@Dagmar> ...which puts her one bit of knowledge ahead of the H1B's coming out of India.
15:30 < klixa> Corydon76-work: i set the bar low...i just meant she could speak like the average adult one meets... i didn't mean she could speak like an intelligent adult
15:30 <@Dagmar> ...which puts two two bits head of the H1Bs
15:30 <@Corydon76-work> And that was certainly true of me, as well.  I learned how to do lots of interesting things in programming, but without some book telling me to write a program to do X, I never had the idea of WHY I might want to do that, other than the challenge in a book
15:30 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y91QLLcS8yk no
15:31 < GateKeeper> Title: Would You Give Your Boss Your Facebook Password? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:31 < RangerZ> just no
15:31 < klixa> agreed
15:31 <@Dagmar> "Hell no"
15:31 <@Dagmar> "...and fuck you for asking"
15:31 < klixa> then they would know that i only slept with them to get the promotion o.O
15:31 < RangerZ> I'm sorry, I don't know my password, its crypto stored
15:31 < klixa> err i mean, privacy is a good thing
15:31 <@Dagmar> "I don't give people my passwords.  Not even the people I'm fucking."
15:32 < klixa> the people you are fucking are the WORST people to give your password too
15:32 < klixa> to*
15:32 <@Corydon76-work> Nothing on my Facebook is considered private, other than various conversations.  You want to see what I post on my FB page, it's all already public.
15:32 < RangerZ> that or your boss
15:32 <@Dagmar> Let me repeat something to you that someone once told me...
15:32 < aestetix_> Shadow404: you know ware is more likely to reproduce than any of us
15:32 <@Dagmar> "If you can trust me enough to put your dick in my mouth, you can trust me with your desktop password."
15:33 < RangerZ> Corydon76-work: ?
15:33 <@Dagmar> The answer was still "passwords aren't about trust, they're about identification"
15:33 < aestetix_> Dagmar: uh
15:33 < RangerZ> hehe... sorry
15:33 < klixa> putting one's dick in someone's mouth isnt about trust either
15:33 <@Dagmar> You don't just want to say know, you want to make them sorry they ever asked.
15:33 <@Dagmar> It's the only way to make that silliness go away.
15:34 < aestetix_> Dagmar: by that logic, you would trust a banker to babysit your kids because you trust them with your money too.
15:34 <@Dagmar> GOt news for you, I don't trust my bankers.
15:34 < aestetix_> well there goes my argument then
15:34 < klixa> i have never been asked for my passwords, but i would just laugh in their face
15:34 < klixa> thats just absurd
15:34 <@Dagmar> The only reason they're allowed to keep it is because I'm pretty sure that if push comes to shove, I can go exact some revenge.
15:34 < RangerZ> aestetix_: its like saying "you trust your police to have guns, so why not police drones? "
15:34 < RangerZ> more along your line of topics
15:35 < aestetix_> RangerZ: I don't trust police to have guns
15:35 < aestetix_> Keep in mind I live in the city where oscar grant was shot
15:35 < RangerZ> I turst oakland cops, they beat the asses of hipsters
15:35 < RangerZ> thats wroth a raise IMHO
15:35 < aestetix_> I do trust the police to murder black people though
15:35 <@Dagmar> I would perhaps trust that shoudl I come home and someone else has picked up my kids from the bankers' care, that they might begrudgingly have a replacement child available in 6-8 weeks.
15:36 <@Dagmar> ...and that money, much like children, is safest when it's not being rented out to all your friends.
15:40 <@Dagmar> So, here's a funny one...
15:40 <@Dagmar> One of the reporters covering CES got all bent out of shape about people wearing Google Glass.
15:40 < RangerZ> ....
15:40 <@Dagmar> *Someone's* probably going to be out of a job soon.
15:40 < RangerZ> the fucker with a CAMERA?
15:42 < klixa> speaking of google... will be near then in a few days...
15:42 <@anarchival> I just realized that hacker UGs are like a candy shop for Corydon76-work.
15:42 <@anarchival> I'm slow, sometimes.
15:42 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking the reporter who went to CES and spent the first two paragraphs of his article complaining about "Glassholes"
15:43 <@Dagmar> You came to the wrong neighborhood, momtherfucker.
15:45 < RangerZ> no i meant... a reporter... who probably has a _camera-man_ is saying others shouldn't have 'cameras'
15:45 < RangerZ> ugh
15:45 < klixa> i've been looking at the stats for this channel, and my goal is to beat Dagmar and have the mot lines
15:45 < klixa> most*
15:45 <@brimstone> klixa: good luck
15:45 <@Dagmar> No, it's literally just a common reporter showing that he has no fucking clue what the convention is for
15:45 < klixa> i
15:45 < klixa> can
15:45 < klixa> do
15:45 < klixa> it
15:45 <@Dagmar> CES motherfucking revolves around expensive consumer gadgets, and this idiot complains about them
15:45 <@Shadow404> dream on klixa, most of the top 10 have years on you
15:45 <@anarchival> Dagmar: That sounds like Becky. Hmm.
15:46 < RangerZ> but can you go from 0 to bitch in under 4 lines?
15:46 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Becky who?
15:46 <@anarchival> Dagmar: the dick = pwd quote, that is.
15:46 < klixa> Shadow404: does it never reset?
15:46 <@Shadow404> klixa: has anyone met you form this channel?
15:46 <@Shadow404> klixa: not if Evilpig can help it
15:47 <@brimstone> mudsplatter lol
15:47 <@anarchival> Dagmar: She dated Rattle for awhile. Tall, flat, blonde, really really really into drugs.
15:47 <@Dagmar> Ah... The secret Mormon
15:47 <@Dagmar> Yes, I know her.
15:48 <@Dagmar> She wasn't "really, really, really into drugs".  She was just a chronic lightweight so it simply seemed like it.
15:48 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I brought her to 2600. You're welcome.
15:48 <@Dagmar> Hey I liked Becky
15:48 < klixa> flat blonde...hmmm i hear some animosity
15:48 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Her Dad was my Bishop. She was my best friend from the age of seven, until she fucked my boyfriend. The End.
15:48 <@anarchival> klixa: She played basketball. It's just the way she was built.
15:49 < klixa> anarchival: proper revenge is to fuck her bf
15:49 <@Dagmar> klixa: She wasn't flat, actually.
15:49 < klixa> Dagmar: lol...im not surprised
15:49  * RangerZ shrugs... A/B is best size IMHO, but thats just me and my taste
15:49 < RangerZ> i mean...
15:50 < RangerZ> lol
15:50 <@Dagmar> It makes logistics less troublesome
15:50 <@anarchival> klixa: My Mom custom-made her prom dress. I'm not saying anything about her figure that Becky hasn't said herself.
15:50 < RangerZ> and all 'breasts/nippples/genitals' are suppose to have the same # of nerve endings on average, so smaller will be more sensitive... supposedly
15:51 < klixa> anarchival: i hope you were mad at your bf too
15:51 <@Dagmar> klixa: Well, that she's no longer with him signifies that clearly this was a serious transgression
15:51 <@anarchival> klixa: Sure. But he was just some asshole I was dating. I expected him to betray me eventually. Did I mention she was my best friend since the age of seven?
15:51 < RangerZ> you should have just invited her to join you and your b/f, problem solved
15:52 <@Dagmar> RangerZ++
15:52 <@anarchival> klixa: Really, I blame the drugs. Lightweight or not, she started using and her entire personality changed.
15:52 <@Dagmar> It's better to be upset that they didn't share than to be upset that they cheated
15:52 <@Dagmar> anarchival: No, that was just puberty
15:52 <@anarchival> RangerZ: If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Losing my virginity in a threesome is a little too much, even for me.
15:53 < klixa> the problem with sharing is the man is all up for it with another woman...but that day you bring a man home instead...the look you get...
15:53 < RangerZ> my ex did the same, it was too much for her too
15:53 <@Dagmar> klixa: You need to find a bi-curious boyfriend then
15:53 < RangerZ> girls and their silly emotions
15:53 < aestetix_> vagina
15:54 < aestetix_> anarchival: you lost your virginity in a threesome?
15:54 <@anarchival> Also, having sex with Becky wasn't really something I wanted to do. I knew for a fact she was fucking a lot of dudes at that point, and not insisting on condoms.
15:54 < klixa> Dagmar: id rather find one not into 3+-somes at all
15:54 <@Dagmar> klixa: You'd potentially have much the same reaction if your boyfriend was exceedingly homophobic and you brought home another girl
15:54 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Nope. Much less interesting than that.
15:54 < aestetix_> anarchival: have you been in any threesomes?
15:55 <@anarchival> aestetix_: No, actually. I'm straight.
15:55 <@Dagmar> klixa: So he'd had threesomes before, then?
15:55 < klixa> Dagmar: yeah,...we have together also
15:55 < aestetix_> anarchival: you could have sex with two guys
15:55 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Sure, okay.
15:56 < RangerZ> what I find silly is if the girl... enjoys the idea of a 3some with another , and gets pissed at you for not enjoying the idea of a 3some with another guy, I had that discussion with several female friends I have/had
15:56 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: For some reason I just don't think they're going to get it
15:56 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix_: I actually prefer that situation... 3somes where the other two are guys
15:56 < klixa> Corydon76-work: are you gay
15:57 < RangerZ> Corydon76-work: of course you would
15:57 <@Dagmar> Yes but in *your* case they'd be *all guys* now wouldn't they.?
15:57 < RangerZ> actually Corydon76-work you ever been with a girl?
15:57 <@Dagmar> He ahs
15:57 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: Of course I have
15:57 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you mean IDESG?
15:57 < RangerZ> I dunno, I don't assume things
15:57 < aestetix_> or something else
15:57 < klixa> ok, now the ass grabbing comment makes sense
15:57 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Heh no
15:57 <@Corydon76-work> Like maybe 5% of my sexual partners have been women
15:58 < RangerZ> better than me... 90% of mine have been crazy women
15:58 <@Corydon76-work> If we're counting different women, the total would be 3.
15:58 < aestetix_> There are also the threesomes that are really two couples.... that usually happens when two guys want to fuck the same girl
15:58 < klixa> i have had men and women but im straight
15:58 < aestetix_> And the guys don't make out at all
15:59 < RangerZ> the illustrious Eiffel tower
15:59 < klixa> aestetix_: i once did a swap situation...and my bf fucked his gf and i changed my mind before he fucked me..
15:59 < klixa> he was pissed
15:59 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I'm technically bi.  Men are just easier to fuck
15:59 <@Dagmar> Oh wow
15:59 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: just curious how old you are
16:00 < RangerZ> please don't say 17
16:00 < klixa> 35 next week
16:00 <@Dagmar> If she does I'm saying 'entrapment'
16:00 < RangerZ> Dagmar++
16:00  * Evilpig waives off chris hansen
16:01 < RangerZ> poor chris, he had his hopes so high too
16:01 <@Corydon76-work> I've certainly had my share of guys who initially said they were 18, who only after extended "interesting" conversations, revealed they were younger.
16:01 < klixa> Corydon76-work: how old are YOU
16:01 <@Dagmar> I really liked the crossover episode with The Boondocks
16:01 <@Corydon76-work> 37
16:01 <@Evilpig> dirt is not 37
16:01 <@Corydon76-work> The 76 in my handle indicates a birth year
16:02 < klixa> ok
16:02 <@Dagmar> Seriously, when he was on The Boondocks it was the best episode ever
16:02 < klixa> Corydon76-work: i could never like a woman
16:03 < klixa> sexually
16:03 <@Dagmar> Well, perhaps 'like' is asking too much
16:03 < RangerZ> klixa: you male or female?
16:03 < klixa> RangerZ: female
16:03 <@Dagmar> How would you feel about 'amused by'?
16:03 < aestetix_> klixa: what if a woman had a penis?
16:03 <@Dagmar> *snicker*
16:03 <@anarchival> Hell, I haven't liked any of the people I've slept with. Then again, they've all been men.
16:03 < klixa> aestetix_: then it wouldnt be a woman?
16:03 < RangerZ> how about 'aroused by' ?
16:03 < aestetix_> klixa: I know several people who would disagree with you.
16:03 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: just concentrate on the boobs or kissing.  Those work better than the other parts
16:03 < klixa> women make me sick unless i am drunk
16:04 < klixa> all women i have been with involved vodka
16:04 <@Dagmar> I *kinda* know that feeling
16:04 < klixa> Corydon76-work: i dont mind going further south...but....vodka
16:04 <@Dagmar> I knew there was a reason I liked vodka so much
16:05 <@Corydon76-work> Or fingering.  Turning either men or women on with a well placed finger is always fun
16:05 <@anarchival> Wait a second. Y'all have sex when you're sober?
16:05 < RangerZ> though tequila allows the cloths to come off... just like the song...
16:05 <@Dagmar> Well, discounting lately, sure
16:05 <@anarchival> Huh. Never tried it. Must be terrible.
16:05 < klixa> anarchival: yes....i havent drank in 2 years
16:05 < klixa> i need to
16:05 <@Dagmar> Sober, high, drunk, tripping, it's all good
16:05 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: considering alcohol has a deleterious effect on an extended erection, yes
16:05 < klixa> i keep forgetting
16:06 <@Evilpig> o
16:06 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I'm assuming you avoided sex on acid
16:06 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Ain't that the truth.
16:06 <@Evilpig> i've done plenty of drinking the last two years, not so much the other
16:06 < RangerZ> I've heard that can ruin sex for the rest of your life, etc
16:06 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Dude about the only thing I wouldn't do on acid was base jump
16:06 < klixa> i wanted to have sex while on e...but i did e while alone
16:06 < klixa> :/
16:06 < aestetix_> RangerZ: sex on ecstacy might
16:07 < RangerZ> ohh, E
16:07 < RangerZ> I meant E, not acid
16:07 <@Dagmar> Well, I stopped doing E because of that
16:07 < aestetix_> keep in mind I knew a guy who needed viagra to get it up at age 28
16:07 <@oddball> Let's see... in this conversation, we've learned that anarchival hasn't slept with anyone she's actually like, and she had to get plastered to sleep with the guys she has slept with...
16:07 <@Dagmar> I already have a fairly serious speech impediment.  E was just making it worse
16:07 <@anarchival> oddball: Don't forget I lost my virginity at 31. That's also an important detail.
16:08 <@Shadow404> aestetix_: how many raves did this guy attend?
16:08 < klixa> WTF
16:08 < aestetix_> Shadow404: a lot
16:08 < klixa> 31!??!??!?!??!??!?!?
16:08 < aestetix_> anarchival: have you ever done anal?
16:08 <@Evilpig> and there's only  been three dudes total
16:08 < klixa> how the hell did you go that long
16:08 <@Shadow404> aestetix_: not as bad as Catonic probably
16:08 <@Shadow404> lawl
16:08 <@anarchival> aestetix_: Yes.
16:08 < klixa> 31? o em gee
16:08 <@Shadow404> anarchival: thats the spirit
16:08 < RangerZ> 31... wow
16:08 < klixa> i was 14
16:08 <@Shadow404> Catonic: how old were you again?
16:09 <@Shadow404> 15 here
16:09 < RangerZ> I was 20, and I thought ___I___ was late
16:09 < klixa> 20 is late
16:09 <@anarchival> klixa: It was easy. I didn't want to have sex, until I hit my sexual peak, at which point the hormonal drive became temporarily strong enough to override my lack of interest.
16:09 < klixa> 31 is freakshow
16:09 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Actually I'm thinking there's probably some common ground with Catonic there
16:09 < RangerZ> but I was an overall late bloomer, b/c I kinda hated all the girls in my HS
16:09 <@anarchival> I am a statistical anomaly in many ways, this is only one of them.
16:10 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: heh
16:10 < aestetix_> anarchival: have you ever done dp?
16:10 < RangerZ> aestetix_: or DVDA
16:11 <@Shadow404> aestetix_: i hope you get your ass beat down by anarchival when she meets you RL
16:11 < RangerZ> anyone get that DVDA reference? lol
16:11 < aestetix_> RangerZ: yes
16:11 <@anarchival> aestetix_: I'm not sure what that acronym stands for, but if it can be done with a guy, I've probably done it. I might be a late bloomer, but I don't feel shame, which men appreciate when I'm naked and absolutely hate in every other context.
16:12 < RangerZ> http://gizmodo.com/how-vanderbilts-secret-software-lab-is-saving-america-1495621076
16:12 <@anarchival> Shadow404: It's possible.
16:12 <@Corydon76-work> DP is double penetration
16:12 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: i think she meant dvda
16:12 < RangerZ> "How Vanderbilt's Secret Software Lab Is Saving America" = ISIS
16:12 <@Dagmar> That reminds me, do you know Laczlo?
16:13 <@anarchival> Well since we've already established I've never been in a threesome, it's pretty safe to say that no I've never done DP.
16:13 < klixa> dp?
16:13 < klixa> oh
16:13 <@Dagmar> *eyeroll*
16:13 < klixa> nm
16:13 <@Dagmar> How can you people have been on the internet this long and not know these things from seeing them on banner ads?
16:13 <@Dagmar> Jay-sus
16:13 < klixa> Dagmar: selective vision
16:13 <@Evilpig> adblock
16:14 <@Evilpig> but I knew, so I don't count
16:14 <@Shadow404> you cant get through Evilpig's ftp folder without learning that acronym
16:14 < klixa> ive only done normal stuff like 3 somesomes and 5 somes
16:14 <@Shadow404> or many others
16:14 < aestetix_> What's the biggest thing you've ever stuck in your butt?
16:14 <@Dagmar> Dude you go to 4chan willingly
16:14 <@anarchival> There are so many amazing professors doing amazing things at Vanderbilt. I'm impressed.
16:15 < klixa> its been 10+ years since i have done anything actually ..but recenltly after the baby the bf wants to do crazy stuff again... :/
16:15 < klixa> midlif crises
16:15 <@anarchival> They're curing cancer with Erlang! They're teaching robots how to see! They're doing god knows what for DARPA!
16:15 <@Dagmar> Why does it have to be some kind of 'crisis'?
16:15 <@Dagmar> Newsflash: Sex is fun.
16:15 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Bullshit.
16:15 <@Dagmar> Done properly, it can be more than just fun, it can be a spectator sport.
16:16 < RangerZ> anarchival: I could tell you, but then I'd (Have|Get) to kill you
16:16 <@Evilpig> anarchival: you have very limited experinces to pull from.  dagmar is right it is fun
16:16 <@Evilpig> at least it should be fun
16:16 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Psht. I've done research for DARPA. You are in no way authorized to kill.
16:16 < RangerZ> http://engineering.vanderbilt.edu/news/2012/isis-software-project-receives-17-2m-contract-from-darpa/
16:16 < klixa> Dagmar: well... he left me for like 3 women a few weeks ago...then begs me to come back and says he wants me AND mistresess...then changes it to he wants a ton of 3 somes...then flips out cause i got another bf while we were broken up
16:16 < RangerZ> that was the project I was working on before
16:16 <@Dagmar> Goddamn it I have to do something about this
16:17 <@Dagmar> It just occurred to me that Wilpig's probably had sex more recently than I have
16:17 <@Evilpig> doubtful
16:17 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Yeah, that's not right.
16:17 < RangerZ> Dagmar: fuck... I could be in that boat too
16:17 < klixa> when was the last time everyone had it
16:17 < klixa> last night, for me
16:17 <@anarchival> You know has had sex more recently than I have? weev. And he's in prison.
16:17 <@Dagmar> Gonna have to hit up a strip club this weekend to regain my focus
16:17 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: My suspicion is that you've never had someone participate in enough foreplay, such that by the time you're ready to enjoy the act, they're also starting.  Most guys start WAY too early and are finished by the time the woman is warmed up and ready to go
16:18 < aestetix_> Corydon76-work would know
16:18 <@anarchival> Last January? Yes, last January.
16:18 < klixa> Corydon76-work: or maybe she hates sex
16:18 < RangerZ> I honestly forget... sometime in summer
16:18 <@anarchival> Wait, no. There was a guy at the Pub in the summer.
16:18 <@Dagmar> klixa: Like i've said before, I've been out for so long I don't even remember what kind of rope to buy.
16:18 <@anarchival> I always forget about him.
16:18 <@Dagmar> If I try and write 'game' it comes out in Uncial font.
16:19 <@anarchival> Or was that last summer? Sigh. I honestly can't remember.
16:19 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: It's possible, but I think the reason people hate sex is because they've never been in a situation where it's enjoyable for them
16:19 <@Dagmar> I got this masters in cunnilingus and it's just going to waste
16:19 <@Shadow404> last night
16:19 <@oddball> damnit... now the guy from Comcast is telling me that business accounts *must* rent a modem from them (at $10/month).
16:19 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I think if I ever have sex again, I should try it with someone I actually like. That might help.
16:19  * klixa helps Dagmar pick out some rope
16:19 <@Dagmar> Sometimes I don't even know why I bothered going to a college with a 14:1 ratio
16:20 <@oddball> He's currently on hold with corporate for confirmation.
16:20 <@Shadow404> oddball: screw that, i want my own modem
16:20 <@Shadow404> i hate their gateway crap
16:20 <@oddball> We already own our own modem.
16:20 <@Corydon76-work> klixa: I've given lots of guys orgasms, and I firmly believe that if so-called straight guys could get over their hangups about it, they would enjoy gay sex, too
16:20 <@oddball> And since you can buy a cable modem for $50 these days, renting makes no damn sense.
16:20 <@Shadow404> oddball: agreed
16:20 < klixa> Corydon76-work: well... mechanical stimulation of penis is not ALL that sex is siupposed to be for a man
16:20 <@anarchival> Dagmar: You're a reasonably attractive man with a job in a city with a 6:1 ratio of single women to single men. You can do it. I believe in you.
16:20 <@Evilpig> oddball: if you goto business class and want a static ip you can't buy one of those modems
16:21 <@Evilpig> it's a giant fuck you to the customers
16:21 < RangerZ> Corydon76-work: I take the one comedian's joke line about it... I don't say I would never have gay sex... just that I've never met a guy I thought was cute, lol
16:21 < klixa> ok, i must go now... later all
16:21 <@Shadow404> klixa: if you need a quick stress reducer, thats all thats required
16:21 <@Shadow404> just saying
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16:21 <@Corydon76-work> However, given that it's usually a lot of fucking work to convince a straight guy to be a bottom, it's usually just less trouble to find a guy who already wants my dick
16:21 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Something tells me those stats are wrong
16:21 <@oddball> Evilpig: Nope... not getting a static IP addy.
16:21 < RangerZ> that and the "I'm personally against gay marriage, So I'm not going to get gay married"
16:21 <@Dagmar> I don't recall Nashville being the polygamy capital of the US, for one thing
16:22 <@oddball> Also, why would a static IP require a different modem?
16:22 <@Shadow404> oddball: it doesnt
16:22 < RangerZ> b/c comcast hates its consumers
16:22 <@Dagmar> In theory, I could maybe go to 12th and Porter tonight
16:22 <@Shadow404> comcast just trying ot make more money
16:22 <@Dagmar> oddball: because reasons
16:23 <@Shadow404> they are fucking over resedential consumers now too
16:23 < RangerZ> dagmar, how is it there? I've heard both good and bad things, haven't gone myself
16:23 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I might have just made that up, I'll admit it.
16:23 <@oddball> Shadow404: Oh, I'm switching to business class because they're fucking over residential harder.
16:23 <@Dagmar> Ranger: Normally it's an okay place
16:23 <@Evilpig> I found 12th and porter to be rather small
16:24 <@Dagmar> Oh my mistake, I meant to say Mercy Lounge
16:24 <@oddball> Yeah... it's not a big space, but it's an ok small venue.
16:24 <@Dagmar> Formerly called 'The bottom part of The Cannery'.
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16:24 <@Dagmar> Jonette Napolitano is doing something there toight
16:24 <@anarchival> I'm skipping poker night at the local Pub and studying for the ham license test I'm taking tomorrow. My Friday nights are exciting.
16:24 <@Dagmar> er Johnette
16:24 <@Evilpig> guess I should get up and head out for some dinner.  thinking I will hit up that good steakhouse again
16:25 <@Dagmar> In theory this means some age-appropriate women might be showing up
16:25 <@Shadow404> anarchival: cool, hit me up if you pass the test
16:26  * shadowmoss tells Dagmar she is age appropriate
16:26  * shadowmoss glomps Dagmar 
16:26 < shadowmoss> and the room goes quiet
16:27 <@Mirage> shadowmoss: anachronistically speaking?
16:27  * shadowmoss smacks Mirage 
16:27 <@anarchival> shadowmoss: Maybe Dagmar just doesn't shit where he eats (2600).
16:27 < shadowmoss> hey, I resemble that remark
16:27 < shadowmoss> hell, I'm 2k miles away!
16:27 < shadowmoss> he is (fairly) safe
16:27 <@Evilpig> vegas isn't that far
16:27 < aestetix_> vagina
16:28 < shadowmoss> I'm on Phoenix, but I'm thinking it felt like 2k when I drove it
16:29 < shadowmoss> besides if 2600 stopped being incestous (can't spell it), where would all the drama go?
16:29 <@anarchival> shadowmoss: Also, the women.
16:29 <@Dagmar> It's only incestuous when it comes to a certain fringe element
16:29 < shadowmoss> what about the women?
16:29 < shadowmoss> I are one of those
16:30 <@anarchival> *remembers back in the day, when Dagmar and JohnnyX both had girlfriends beside them at every meeting*
16:30 < shadowmoss> and I can wear fringe if that's what it takes
16:30 <@Dagmar> If the women have been fucking each other left and right, someone's been LYING TO ME
16:30 <@Corydon76-work> shadowmoss: you ever notice there's never drama when guys fuck other guys in the group?
16:30 < shadowmoss> right
16:30 <@Dagmar> anarchival: ...and hot ones at that, which is why I find the present dry spell rather intolerable.
16:30 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: you and peaches were dating already
16:30 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: fringe?
16:30 <@Shadow404> please, we need an updated chart
16:30 <@Shadow404> aint no fringe percentage
16:30 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: I fucked coil.  I nearly fucked Goat21.  Never drama.
16:31 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Well, mainly Corydon and Peaches, and corydon and peaches, and Corydon and Peaches
16:31 < shadowmoss> that is not quite the way I remember it
16:31 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I'm sorry, but you already used up your lifetime quota
16:31 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: not the general rule in my experience.
16:31 <@anarchival> The idea of a fringe element in 2600 is actually pretty scary. Are they aliens?
16:31 <@Shadow404> no drama that affected the group from my side either Corydon76-work
16:31 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I dispute that pending concrete evidence to the contrary
16:31  * shadowmoss things they were in a different se2600 than she was...
16:31 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: who did you fuck who was already a part of the group?
16:31 <@Dagmar> What's the point of practicing to gain experience if there's alimit??
16:31 < RangerZ> b/c your ex would go psycho on any new girl?
16:32 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: This much I am sure of yes
16:32 < shadowmoss> Dagmar:  same x, I take it
16:32 < shadowmoss> or do you collect psycho x's?
16:33 <@Dagmar> Yeah, well, so most of the time I can tell a girl is crazy by her presence in my lap
16:33 <@Dagmar> They're pretty much all psycho
16:33 < shadowmoss> I should qualify in spades, then
16:33 <@Dagmar> The most recent one is just especially unstable when it comes to the idea of me with anyone else
16:33 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: btw, if you weren't in the room, do you think I would have succeeded with Goat21?
16:33 < shadowmoss> so I'll bring the fringe and some serious psycho
16:34 <@anarchival> It's true. I thought Dagmar was attractive before I spoke to him, ergo he does attract the crazies.
16:34 < shadowmoss> so, he just needs to learn to stfu and he will do better with the female elements?
16:34 < shadowmoss> I can understand that
16:35 < shadowmoss> don't see it happening, but I can understand how that could help
16:35 <@anarchival> I don't do jealousy, though. There will always be some other woman shaking her ass at him. He either wants me more or he doesn't.
16:35 < RangerZ> time sharing, Q.E.D.
16:35 <@Dagmar> RangerZ++
16:35 < shadowmoss> The only time I hooked up on my many trips to St. John was when I caught a cold and lost my voice
16:35 <@anarchival> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xbz3VofDVQ
16:35 < GateKeeper> Title: Rasputina - If your kisses cant hold the man you love - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:36 < shadowmoss> ok, time for my walk
16:36 < shadowmoss> on the days I work I don't have much time awake between shifts
16:36 < shadowmoss> I work 2am to noon
16:36 < shadowmoss> MST
16:37 <@Dagmar> You could probably change your 'nym to Larry
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16:39 < aestetix_> little kitty is licking her butt
16:39 <@Dagmar> As long as people are still tipping
16:40 <@Dagmar> Well, shit...
16:41 <@Dagmar> It's looking now like if you bought anything at a Target in the fall you should start checking your statements
16:43 < oddball> Corydon76-work: I honestly tried to block that out of my mind.
16:43 < oddball> Also, I'm now switched over to business class.  The guy said the customer-owned equipment was a new thing to him.
16:44  * oddball procedes to download all the things.
16:44 <@Dagmar> oddball: I take it you dropped video cable, then?>
16:44 < oddball> Nope.  Still have TV.
16:44 <@Dagmar> How do you feel about the lack of a bundle discount, then?/
16:45 <@Dagmar> Personally, I give Comcast enough goddamn money already
16:45 <@Corydon76-work> I just dropped everything but network TV from Comcast
16:45 <@Corydon76-work> and if the cablecard stops working next month, I'll drop TV entirely
16:45 < RangerZ> aestetix_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDP-1wyu7gA
16:45 < GateKeeper> Title: Bravely Default Censored? - Nintendo News 12/29-1/4 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:45 <@Dagmar> I'd go out and buy a new modem and transition to business class for Ipv6, but as far as I know it would run my fucking high-ass bill up by another $40/month
16:45 <@Shadow404> oddball: so they let you keep your modem?
16:45 < RangerZ> censorship might be an interesting video
16:46 < oddball> yep
16:46 <@Shadow404> woot
16:47 < oddball> Dagmar: we weren't getting a bundle deal to begin with.
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16:47 <@Shadow404> screw bundle, i dont watch tv enough as it is
16:47 <@Dagmar> I'll have to look at my bill again then
16:47 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: I suspect if you weren't there, Goat21 would have had to add "enjoys gay sex" to his list of accomplishments
16:47 <@Shadow404> theres enough online content as it is
16:47 < RangerZ> benthemeek: you know.... it would be nice if the new website had a section where we could post Vanderbilt/other nashville techy news
16:47 <@Dagmar> I'm not getting *much* of a price break, but i was under the impression I was getting something for having both cable TV and cable internets
16:48 <@Dagmar> I would have no problems at all with getting a static IP and ipv6
16:48 <@oddball> and when we were, it was like a $10 discount... and we were consistently getting charged ~$50 a month in overage fees.
16:48 <@Dagmar> Overage fees?
16:48 <@Dagmar> What are those?
16:48 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: remember that I had booked a room with a single bed that night, and the only reason we ended up with two beds was because Dolemite switched with me
16:48 < RangerZ> Dagmar: new system the are testing in nashville, every 50GB you go over 300GB, you get charged 10$
16:48 <@oddball> They've started to charge $10 per 50GB over 300GB of usage.
16:48 < RangerZ> after your first 3 months that you go over 300$
16:49 <@Dagmar> Goddamn
16:49 <@benthemeek> http://gizmodo.com/how-vanderbilts-secret-software-lab-is-saving-america-1495621076?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
16:49 <@benthemeek> Comments?
16:49 <@oddball> Dagmar: Suprised you haven't been hit with that.
16:49 <@Dagmar> I actually don't use that much bandwidth
16:49 < RangerZ> i just posted that a bit earlier, doug is my advisor now, and I worked on the ammo project
16:49 < RangerZ> so i can talk about _a lot_ of that
16:49 <@Dagmar> Either that or they have my account marked as one belonging to someone they can't lie to
16:50 <@Dagmar> I'm just paying $76.90 a month for TV and $51.95 a month for cable
16:50 < RangerZ> Dagmar: they DO have that flag in DBs now for customers
16:50 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Considering how painful I made it for them every time they tried, I would not be suprised.
16:51 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: I will be producing content for the website once it is up but am leaving the more dev minded officers to come up with the site. I hope there is a news related section
16:51 <@Dagmar> The most bandwidth I've used in one month was 185Gb
16:51 < RangerZ> I hit my cap last month for the 1st time
16:51 <@Dagmar> How many torrents do you people use?
16:51 <@Evilpig> many
16:51 <@anarchival> RangerZ benthemeek I'd like to see what would happen on a Nashville 2600 wiki ;)
16:51 <@Dagmar> Well, we know *you* do
16:52 < RangerZ> I probably have more Anime than Wilpig has movies....
16:52 < RangerZ> if that puts it into perspective
16:52 <@Evilpig> I have 1400+ movies, just fyi
16:52 <@Dagmar> Ohh... I see
16:53 < RangerZ> I haven't counted, plus I was condering total size, not count
16:53 < RangerZ> I have 1 20GB movie
16:53 <@oddball> Dagmar: Well, there's also the issue that there's two of us and we're at home all day.
16:53 <@Dagmar> I'm looking at their plans now, I see they have apparently three "free" overage month credits... none of which I've used
16:53 < RangerZ> fucking uncompressed BD
16:53 <@Dagmar> October: 138Gb.  November: 181Gb.  December: 163Gb.
16:53 <@Dagmar> How much is business class per month.?
16:54 <@Evilpig> same as residential
16:54 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Do you have a copy of Shadowlands, with Anthony Hopkins and Deborah Winger?
16:54 <@Dagmar> Well shit
16:54 <@Evilpig> starts at like $60
16:54 <@Dagmar> I might as well start talking to them about that then
16:54 <@Evilpig> anarchival: i'll say no
16:54 <@Dagmar> I can't really see any reason to *not* go for IPv6 and a static
16:54 <@oddball> Yeah... the 16/3 that I just switched to is $59/month.
16:54 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Dammit. I lost my only copy of that movie in the flood and it's almost impossible to find now, even to pirate. :(
16:54 <@Evilpig> to get a static you have to get them modem from them, they don't havre a buy your own option on that.
16:54 <@Dagmar> ...and I certainly wouldn't mind being able to openly run shit from here.
16:55 <@oddball> And it's a 3 year contract... so they won't be able to raise that price for 3 years... unlike residential.
16:55 <@Evilpig> and it will be a /30
16:55 <@Dagmar> *grins slyly*
16:55 <@Evilpig> oddball: bullshit!
16:55 <@Evilpig> they'll raise that shit whenever the fuck they want
16:55 <@Evilpig> I pulled my contract when they raised the equipment fee nonsense
16:56 <@Dagmar> We'll see about that whole 'Use our equipment' thing
16:56 <@Dagmar> If it's in my house, it will either be mine, or it will be firewalled to fuck and back
16:56 <@oddball> Oh?  I'll wave my copy of the contract at them if they pull that shit.
16:56 <@Dagmar> There is no middle ground
16:56 <@Evilpig> anarchival: you haven't tried hard at all.  http://kickass.to/shadowlands-1993-internal-dvdrip-xvid-exvidint-t7901280.html
16:56 <@oddball> If you're ok with dynamic, you can use your own equipment.
16:57 < RangerZ> oddball: it allows them to change the contract
16:57 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Have you checked the peers on that? Because every torrent I've tried hasn't had any.
16:57 < RangerZ> if they deem it "necessary for the stability of the network" or w/e wording they use now
16:57 <@oddball> Comcast's static is bullshit because 1. the require you to rent, and 2. they charge $15/month just for the IP.  Which means you're paying $25/month just for the static IP.
16:57 <@Evilpig> 4 seed. 6 peer
16:58 <@Dagmar> Oh, fuck that then
16:58 <@Dagmar> That's unreasonable
16:58 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Oh shit. I'm about to love you forever. BRACE YOURSELF.
16:58 <@Dagmar> I'll stick with dynamic DNS
16:58 <@Evilpig> i'll just take my pants off instead.  well if I were wearing any
16:58 <@brimstone> that backfired on him last time
16:58 <@oddball> Yeah... I originally called for the static IP.  When they told me about the extra charge, I told them that I'd continue using DynDNS.
16:58 <@Dagmar> ...and for now, I'll just continue egregiously abusing their employees whenever they fucking turn my decoder box off
16:59 <@Dagmar> A few months back they were turn it off-off.  Like so off it wouldn't come back online after being poked at from firewire
17:00 <@Dagmar> I made it overwhelmingly clear that I was about to go to AT&T if they didn't stop fucking over my PVR usage
17:01 <@Dagmar> Jesus if i go buisness class will I have to break in a whole new set of service reps?
17:01 <@Evilpig> yup\
17:01 <@Dagmar> Fuck.
17:01 <@Evilpig> that work 8-5 m-f
17:01 <@Dagmar> I finally have these noobs properly terrified
17:02 <@Evilpig> my only real complaint about business class was that business support worked regular buisness hours
17:02 <@Dagmar> They don't say *anything* to me without being sure of what they're saying annymore
17:02 <@Dagmar> They especially don't try to shine me on about upstreams speeds
17:03 <@Dagmar> Of course, it's not like their pricing makes any sense
17:03 <@Dagmar> Performance Starter: 6Mbps, 49.95/month
17:04 <@Dagmar> Performance: 20Mbps, 29.99/month
17:04 <@Evilpig> anarchival: I just loaded that torrent and according to the trackers on it there are 10 seeds currently and 8 additional peers
17:05 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Yep, it's downloading. Hopefully it's legit and not about to 'splode my computer.
17:05 <@Dagmar> ...and of course the $51.95 plan I'm paying for is nowhere to be seen on the page
17:08 <@Dagmar> ...but it's not like the presumed 20Mbps I have even applies to upstream.
17:08 <@Dagmar> I'd pay $100/month for some guarantees
17:09 <@Dagmar> ...i'm not paying any more than I have to when the service being provided is "as little as possible"
17:09 <@Dagmar> Waht's this XFinity Wifi shit they're talking about...anyone know?
17:10 <@oddball> The fuck?  I switched to another virtual terminal on my Mint box, and now I can't find which one the gui is running on.
17:11 <@Dagmar> Probbaly 7 or 8
17:11 <@oddball> That's what I thought... but no
17:12 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: it's the same shit that optimum is doing up here
17:12 <@Dagmar> Having APs set up a local businesses?
17:12 <@oddball> Huh... it won't even switch to 8
17:12 <@Evilpig> they are flipping on the wifi on the routers they control and putting ina  passworded captured portal
17:12 <@Dagmar> ...because that's what it's looking like
17:12 <@Dagmar> Ahh
17:12 <@Evilpig> so you can goto any of these places with the wifi and use your comcrap login to get inet access
17:12 <@brimstone> all routers, business or residential
17:13 <@Evilpig> what optimum has done up here is put in a mac address filter.  so I told them what the mac for my phone is and it gets internet access where ever one of these points is at
17:14 <@Dagmar> Oh joy
17:14 <@Dagmar> No one will ever figure out how to spoof a mac address
17:14 <@Dagmar> FREE INTERNETS
17:14 <@Evilpig> the weird part of that is when I have seen the login page for those it has comcrap listed as one of the acceptable logins
17:14 <@Dagmar> Probably because they're francised out
17:14 <@Evilpig> so comcrap, optimum, verizon, etc are all coordinating on this somehow
17:14 <@Dagmar> It's a resold service
17:15 < aestetix_> girls poop
17:15 <@Dagmar> o/~ Every-body burr-r-r-r-rps... some-time.... o/~
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17:18 <@Dagmar> I find it amusing that the "Xfiniti Wifi" service could be advertised as "...and if you're comfortable lurking outside a stranger's house, we'll let you use their wifi whenever you want!"
17:18 <@Dagmar> ...although everywhere that appears to be coming up on the list is apparently a buisness
17:19 <@Dagmar> Including the Ace Hardware across Charlotte in my neighborhood.  *target acquired*
17:19 <@Dagmar> Ve shall zee vat makes zis siztem tick, yes?
17:21 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Ahhhh. I know that neighborhood well... *makes a note in Dagmar's file*
17:24 <@rattle> I just toured One Summer Street.  Hot damn!
17:25 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: I just wonder if they will at one point put into the contract "No fair putting our router in a Faraday cage"
17:26 <@anarchival> sophrinix is sending me articles about Erlang being a ghetto. sophrinix really likes to troll me.
17:26 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: It isn't a ghetto?
17:26 <@anarchival> Venn diagram of "hackers named Andrew" and "trolls" virtually indistinguishable.
17:27 <@Corydon76-work> SNOBOL is similarly a ghetto
17:27 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Only in the sense that the best cultural movements all come out of ghettos.
17:27 <@Corydon76-work> Basically, any language that has been invented that is primarily used in one place is a ghetto
17:28 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: a language specifically designed for deploying massive distributed networks isn't a ghetto. It's just the best at what it does.
17:28 <@Corydon76-work> I prefer C, widely known as the second best language for everything.
17:29 <@anarchival> Also this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY-IueSMAPc
17:29 < GateKeeper> Title: The Ghetto - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:30 <@anarchival> Because for every opinion in tech, there is a gar1t video
17:40 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: Sorry, I got distracted by gar1t videos. The best being Perl or Lisp?
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17:42 <@Dagmar> I wonder why the guy didn't just suggest 'INSTALL LINUX'.
17:43 <@Dagmar> Oh wait, I think he's getting to that now.
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18:04 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: There is no one language which is "best"
18:04 <@Corydon76-work> Each language separately has one thing at which it does best
18:06 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: I don't understand. Of course there's a best programming language. Every form of technology is a competition wherein nerds match skills and wits in order to establish their dominance over other nerds.
18:07 <@Dagmar> Damnnit.
18:08 <@Dagmar> case statements behave like a fucking subshell in bash
18:08 <@Dagmar> Time to stack some freaking if's
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18:11 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: There's 1 best language for distributed programming.  There's 1 best language for systems programming.  There's one best language for desktop environment programming.  C is the second best language for everything.
18:11 <@Corydon76-work> Clear?
18:12 <@anarchival> Corydon76-work: It was clear before, I'm joking.
18:12 <@Corydon76-work> Well, I just got called for a consulting job
18:13 < aestetix_> penis
18:13 <@Corydon76-work> I just got to take a spam relay server offline
18:13 <@Corydon76-work> Now to clean it up
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18:25 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Janitorial staff should really be the ones to deal with broken bits of plastic everywhere
18:25 <@Dagmar> ...otherwise you didn't take the server offline hard enough.
18:26 <@Corydon76-work> No, I mean I just killed postfix.  Now I'm deleting the spam stored on the server
18:26 <@Corydon76-work> Next up is to figure out just how they screwed up the server config badly enough to cause this
18:28 <@Corydon76-work> Part of the point of the exercise is getting paid afterwards
18:30  * sdodson hands $1 to Corydon76-work 
18:30 <@Corydon76-work> Pffft.  That doesn't even cover 30 seconds of my time.
18:31 <@sdodson> Corydon76-work, why?
18:31 <@Corydon76-work> sdodson: what do you charge for standard billing rate?
18:31 <@sdodson> Corydon76-work, I don't contract
18:31 <@sdodson> Corydon76-work, I'm really just trying to see if I can waste $1 of your time answering my questions. I figure by the time you finish reading this I will have succeeded.
18:34 <@Corydon76-work> I'm presently waiting for a script I just wrote to complete, and the time is fully billable, so you aren't wasting any of that time
18:35 <@sdodson> Corydon76-work, oh well, then what's happening? How's life? still in nashville?
18:36 <@Corydon76-work> Of course
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18:42 <@Shadow404> gah... i need some help figuring this out
18:42 <@Shadow404> so i get home to my windows 7 box, working fine for months
18:42 <@Corydon76-work> Have you tried rebooting it?
18:42 <@Shadow404> when i get home hard drive is working away, red light is on continually, i check task manager svchost is running like crazy
18:43 <@Shadow404> i try to reboot, spins for 2 minutes
18:43 <@Shadow404> wait another 3 minutes, can only close chrome, still got 4 other apps up including a simple putty client
18:43 <@Shadow404> so i just say fuck it
18:43 <@Shadow404> and pull the power
18:44 <@Shadow404> right when i turn the computer back on after applying power backup, it goes back to what its doing, DURING POST
18:44 <@Shadow404> ive never seen it do that
18:44 <@Shadow404> then during bios and boot selection its still working away, takes 1 minute to finally boot the hd/os
18:45 <@Shadow404> and i finally get booted back up, kill svchost that is taking up most of memory, works well for a few secs
18:45 <@Shadow404> im running a full virus scan, but nothing else is making sense
18:45 <@Shadow404> ive just never seen the hard drive do anything during power up and post and bios
18:45 <@Shadow404> like this before
18:46 <@Shadow404> ah ha
18:46 <@Shadow404> chroe is doing something weird
18:47 <@Shadow404> like i only have 4 tabs open and it has 8 processes running
18:47 < aestetix_> man
18:47 < aestetix_> I don't understand hwo people expect you to have company loyalty when the companies randomly lay off and fire people at will
18:49 <@Corydon76-work> It's a trick that companies use to screw over the workers
18:50 <@Corydon76-work> Everybody remembers how it used to be and they're loyal, even while companies are not
18:50 <@Shadow404> another reason i will never trust any companies that employ me
18:50 <@Corydon76-work> Best thing for you to learn is to lose your loyalty as quickly as possible until managers give you reason to expect it
18:50 < aestetix_> A friend of mine just got laid off
18:50 < aestetix_> SO yeah
18:50 <@Shadow404> the only loyalty they have is me coming to work for my paycheck
18:50 < aestetix_> The big thing is
18:50 <@Shadow404> nothing else
18:51 < aestetix_> If you have an issue with the company, they can dispute it.
18:51 < aestetix_> But if the company lays you off, you can't.
18:51 <@Corydon76-work> Like, if they put in your contract that you'll get $20k if they terminate it, instead of you quitting.
18:51 <@anarchival> Loyalty, like trust, is earned. Give it straightaway and you'll likely end up disappointed.
18:51 <@Corydon76-work> Basically ensuring that you have a motivation not to quit
18:52 < aestetix_> The US just seems to be a shitty place to work these days.
18:52 < aestetix_> Or maybe it's just california
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18:52 <@Corydon76-work> Or if you're worth a lot more to them, up the price that you get if they fire you instead of you quitting
18:52 < RangerZ> so apparently... some people are thinking that Jonah ( Head) hinted that
18:53 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix_: No, that's everywhere
18:54 < RangerZ> ....so apparently... some people are thinking that Jonah (Head of DICE development company) hinted that AMD's mantle API would allow for more scalable GPU ability, beyond the limit of 4 PCI-E that current exists
18:55 < RangerZ> if we could actually 'scale' GPUs , with closer to linear scaling.... that would be insane
18:55 <@Corydon76-work> Google just pulled a boo-boo
18:55 < RangerZ> ?
18:55 <@Corydon76-work> They sent out an email to everybody getting Google Grants, where everybody was in the To...
18:56 < aestetix_> oh man
18:56 < aestetix_> I wish I could feel sorry for Google
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18:59 <@Shadow404> man, i wish it didnt take 30 minutes to clean my desk at home, damn, im a desk slob
19:00 <@Shadow404> my work desk is like sparkless cause i spend 7ish hours a day there, but when i get home, i just wanna relax and dont care...
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20:30 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: I have a solution.  Just don't clean it.
20:30 <@Corydon76-work> Then it doesn't take you any time.
20:50 < aestetix_> vagina
20:55 < RangerZ> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DOPGO2G ohhh....
20:56 < RangerZ> 39" 4k monitor
20:56 < RangerZ> 500$
20:56 < RangerZ> sorry... "tv"
21:01 <@anarchival> I'm watching Shadowlands. I could french kiss Evilpig right now.
21:04 <@Evilpig> you'd taste cheesecake, so double win for you
21:05 <@Evilpig> I'm gonna hvae to replace this fan on my server tonight.  it's rattling like crazy
21:06 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: text me when you get up
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21:27 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCAyWa_rIXY
21:27 < GateKeeper> Title: Epic Online Trolling Xbox One Sign Out(Tricking People Into Signing Out Their Xbox One) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:27 < RangerZ> LOL
21:40 <@Dagmar> I got in that string of blinky LEDs I ordered.
21:41 <@Dagmar> Yes, they are exactly what they claimed.  Sealed in a silicone blob, backed with 3M adhesive strips
21:41 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: THat's pretty hilarious
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22:14 <@SuMo_D> Dagmar I got mine!
22:15 <@SuMo_D> they're awesome!
22:15 <@SuMo_D> I was going to ask if yours came too
22:15 <@Dagmar> It looks like it takes a few minutes before the various timers are warmed up
22:16 <@Dagmar> The right hand buttons on the little remote didn't do anything sane until it had been powered up and running a few minutes
22:16 <@Dagmar> ...but otehrwise these appear to be the same strips bike shops are selling for many times the price we paid.
22:16 <@Dagmar> Also this is low-power enough that I feel like they would be safe to mount under my highly flammable bed.
22:16 <@Dagmar> :)
22:17 < RangerZ> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/01/10/2318237/supreme-court-to-hear-aereo-case this will be really important court case
22:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Supreme Court To Hear Aereo Case - Slashdot (at yro.slashdot.org)
22:17 <@Dagmar> Any particular reason why?
22:17 <@Dagmar> IS this the company with the shitload of recieving antennas?
22:18 < RangerZ> yeah
22:18 < RangerZ> its going to be important whether or not "length of cable" matters
22:18 < RangerZ> meaning "can I stream movies from my home PC, to my mobile" or not
22:18 <@Dagmar> Should be interesting to see what precedents get set and why
22:18 < RangerZ> etc
22:19 < RangerZ> and a lot of other issues
22:19 <@Dagmar> I suspect they will lose the suit against Aereo
22:20 <@Dagmar> This is more than just a little clever
22:20 <@Dagmar> They're basically suing to protect a deranged "right" that they be the first and only people to offer DVR service
22:20 <@Dagmar> ...and that would make this another case of media conglomerates trying to make illegal someone can do in their own home with their own stuff, jsut for themselves.
22:21 <@Dagmar> It'll be very hard for them to not make that obvious
22:21 <@Dagmar> mm...
22:21 <@Dagmar> Maybe I should have kept a copy of the previous ESO beta client
22:21 <@Dagmar> I might actually exceed 200Gb this month
22:27 <@anarchival> "Lord, as we gather before you this day in the black robes of a false priesthood"
22:27 <@SuMo_D> Dagmar I just tried one of the strips (I got two packs cause I want to build a big thing with them) and it worked straight out of the box
22:28 <@SuMo_D> I'm glad it warmed up and is rocking :)
22:28 <@Dagmar> Does strobe mode strobe or does it just chase?
22:28 <@SuMo_D> just case I think
22:28 <@SuMo_D> I'll check later and let you know
22:29 <@SuMo_D> we had 8 hours of laser cutter calibration today too... so my mind is a bit fried
22:29 <@Dagmar> Stop using your brain to calibrate with then
22:29 <@SuMo_D> better than shooting my eyes out
22:29 <@anarchival> Alito owns stock in Walt Disney? How was that not vetted before the Senate? I mean, Disney are bunch of Satanic homos out to corrupt the youth of America!
22:30 < RangerZ> nope.... calibration should be automatic
22:30 < RangerZ> thats what sensors are for
22:30 <@SuMo_D> but yeah... the brain is necessary... cause... everything seems to be where it should... but its not
22:30 < RangerZ> you just need better sensors
22:30 < RangerZ> and more of them
22:31 < RangerZ> and Hybrid & Embedded Systems... or Cyber Physical System... or Internet of Things... or w/e buzz word we're using today
22:31 < RangerZ> lol
22:31 <@Dagmar> AGILE CYBER CLOUDS!
22:31 <@SuMo_D> its very hard not to reach through the computer and smack you sometimes dude
22:32 <@Dagmar> HIGH ENERGY CLUSTERING TELEDILDONICS ARRAYS!
22:32  * SuMo_D isn't really in da mood today... 
22:32 < RangerZ> actually , i'm only half kdding
22:32 <@SuMo_D> I need to go back to yesterday, and shoot more guns
22:32 < RangerZ> There _really_ should be better sensors on stuff like that, that tell you more accurately what it _is_ doing
22:33 < RangerZ> so you can compare it to what it _thinks_ it is doing
22:33 < RangerZ> but unfortunately stuff really isn't designed that way :/
22:33 < RangerZ> 'most' stuff, that is
22:34 <@anarchival> This conversation just took a turn for SPACETEAM AUTOPILOT.
22:34 < RangerZ> not really, its one of the things that doug was talking about earlier that ISIS has worked on
22:36 < RangerZ> I spent 2~3 entire classses doing nothing but modelling physical systems with feedback sensors, and figuring out the best control mechanisms to make them operate within differeing parameters
22:36 < RangerZ> (honestly , a topic completely outside of my own personal interests) but is still really where manf. tools/principles need to go
22:36 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Here at Vanderbilt?
22:37 < RangerZ> yeah
22:37 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Dr. Peters?
22:37 < RangerZ> no
22:37 < RangerZ> though, i'm sure there _is_ a dr peters who is doing something similar at vandy
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22:37 < RangerZ> vandy loves to mix/match its reserach all together
22:38 <@SuMo_D> yeah its a good idea...just not sure if it would work with co2 lasers... I know one of the other versions does have an autofocus feature but that's for focal length alignment not for mirror alignment... which needs to be done by tediousness
22:38 <@SuMo_D> and eyes
22:39 <@anarchival> RangerZ: This is the guy: http://engineering.vanderbilt.edu/bio/richard-alan-peters
22:39 < GateKeeper> Title: Richard Alan Peters | Bio | School of Engineering | Vanderbilt University (at engineering.vanderbilt.edu)
22:39 < RangerZ> yeah, thats EE
22:39 <@anarchival> RangerZ: He presented to us at NashMicro this week, that's why it's fresh in my mind.
22:39 < RangerZ> EE is in same college as CS
22:39 < RangerZ> but they don't really have much to do with each other
22:39 < RangerZ> I barely know how circuits work
22:40 <@Dagmar> We can fix that
22:40 < RangerZ> nor do I really care
22:40 <@Dagmar> We can fix that, too.
22:40 < RangerZ> though I _can_ design you a IC
22:40 < RangerZ> I just don't care about the voltage/etc, thats the EE person's problem to solve
22:40 <@Dagmar> Good.  You can help up miniaturize the control circtuitry for the "Murder Furby" project.
22:41 < RangerZ> uhh?
22:41 < RangerZ> what?
22:41 <@Dagmar> hehe
22:41 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Dr. Peters is about software. Lookit: http://www.universalrobotics.com/multimedia
22:41 <@Dagmar> At some point a Furby will wind up in my hands.
22:41 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: wash your hands afterwords
22:42 < RangerZ> anarchival: thats great, everything "is about" software now in STEM, at one level or another, other than theoretical math/CS
22:42 <@Dagmar> Furby *needs* to be combined with http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734586/
22:42 < GateKeeper> Title: "Twilight Zone" Living Doll (TV Episode 1963) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
22:42 < RangerZ> which is where I like to put my mind, lol
22:44 < RangerZ> honestly, the sensors issue, we have known how to 'fix' for a _long_ time
22:44 < RangerZ> we have had just piss poor need/desire/$ for it in most situations
22:44 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I have a friend whose toddler has a toy that keeps saying, "for a fun game touch a friend."
22:44 <@anarchival> Dagmar: It's really freaking him out.
22:45 <@Dagmar> Fondle me Elmo?
22:45 <@Dagmar> There's probably a lot of patents involved, or by now someone would SURELY be selling a talking animatronic head as a kit
22:46 <@Dagmar> I mean, between the arduino and it's capability of handling two dozen servos, and the Raspberry Pi, it's only a matter of time, really
22:47 <@anarchival> Dagmar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EshrR-xk2E
22:47 < GateKeeper> Title: Teddy Ruxpin Commercial - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:47 <@Dagmar> It is truly a wonder to see one of those with a heavy metal tape in
22:48 <@anarchival> The glassy-eyed kids slowly nodding in agreement to what the bear wants them to do? Chilling.
22:48 <@Dagmar> It was like freakin' MAGIC then
22:48 <@anarchival> I still miss my Teddy Ruxpin.
22:48 <@Dagmar> If you were very lucky, you know about a mystical place where your parents could take you for pizza where an entire troupe of bears would sing to you
22:48 <@Dagmar> ..a.nd that was about it.
22:48 <@anarchival> As an only child, a bear that read me stories was the best friend in the world.
22:49 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I heard a vicious rumor they are performing at the bowling alley there on Charlotte. I've been meaning to go seem them.
22:49 <@Dagmar> Yes, and no one's making things like that except the Elmo thing
22:49 <@Evilpig> because those just don't compare to things like ipads now
22:50 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Hmm... I don't really care for the derpy "cosmic bowling" thing but that might be worth looking into
22:50 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: iPads aren't likely to give people nightmares
22:50 <@anarchival> Rockafire Explosion is waaaaay better than an iPad. http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashville/a-hot-1980s-band-has-its-final-residency-in-a-west-nashville-bowling-alley-andmdash-if-their-animatronic-arms-dont-fall-off-meet-rock-afire-e/Content?oid=3253115
22:51 <@Dagmar> "Animal Collective"?  LOL
22:51 <@Dagmar> Way to dodge the lawsuit
22:51 <@anarchival> The fact that these things might disappear from the Earth because there's no one to repair them...well, if there was ever a cause 2600 could get behind...
22:52 <@Dagmar> anarchival: With 3D printing methods available, there's no reason we can't start crowdsourcing things like that
22:52 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Exactly, my friend. Exactly.
22:52 <@Dagmar> The main problem I see robotics having is a lack of strength
22:52 <@Dagmar> ...but if it just needs to wave it's damn arms around, you can get away with some really slapdash work
22:55 <@Shadow404> fuck fuck fuck
22:55 <@Shadow404> hard drive died
22:55 <@Shadow404> rip
22:55 <@Dagmar> Brand?
22:56 <@oddball> suckage
22:56 <@Shadow404> wd
22:56 <@Dagmar> I jsut got this WD external and I'm trying to break it
22:56 <@Shadow404> im out of warranty
22:56  * oddball hands Dagmar a hammer
22:56 <@Shadow404> anyone know if computer stores sell hd with a base os installed ready to setup?
22:56 <@Dagmar> I have run beaucoup dd's on it overnight eveyr night this last week
22:57 <@Shadow404> or do u still have to buy windows and hd seprate?
22:57 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Smaller shops will
22:57 <@SuMo_D> Peachy Printer is giving people another chance to back them... if you feel like you want to build a resin printer/scanner.... you can get in at 100$ http://www.peachyprinter.com/?utm_source=Peachy+Online+Store+Sign+Up+List&utm_campaign=fcbb2e5e93-Backerkit_Store1_10_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3455aa85c7-fcbb2e5e93-105750341#!backerkit-signup/c1y4w
22:57 < GateKeeper> Title: The Peachy Printer - The First $100 3D Printer & Scanner (at www.peachyprinter.com)
22:57 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: But christ man.  You're a geek surrounded by geeks.
22:57 <@Dagmar> Look up some parts, ask some questions
22:57 <@oddball> Shadow404: No... you pretty much have to install your own OS.
22:57 <@Shadow404> fuck
22:58 <@Dagmar> If you can put a thumbdrive into your computer without chewing on it too much first, you can assemble a PC
22:58 <@Dagmar> It's just not that hard.
22:58 <@Shadow404> oh i can assemble one, i just havent dont it in 4 years
22:58 <@Shadow404> parts have changed
22:58 <@Shadow404> *done it
22:58 <@Dagmar> That's okay, there's at least ten people in here who have done it in the last year
22:58 <@oddball> They haven't changed that much
22:58 <@Dagmar> I wind up doing it every two years for one reason or another
22:59 <@Shadow404> sigh, i wanna get a 1 tb drive, but ssd looks way to expensive at 1tb right now
22:59 <@Shadow404> that and i gotta get a fresh copy of win7 on top of that
22:59 <@Dagmar> Good choice.
22:59 <@Dagmar> 8/8.1 is a no-no
22:59 <@Shadow404> looks like ill be sticking to platters still
23:00 <@Shadow404> windows 8 sucks for gaming
23:00 <@Dagmar> ALl things considered, I don't actually mind Win7 very much
23:00 <@Shadow404> half of steam doesnt run on 8
23:00 <@Dagmar> ...which is a new thing
23:01  * Shadow404 is annoyed by not having a dual screen atm to track irc.....on gf's laptop atm
23:03 <@oddball> Shadow404: Best setup right now is a smaller SSD for the OS and a traditional HD for data.
23:04 <@Shadow404> how big an ssd?
23:04 <@oddball> For roughly $200, you can get a 120GB SSD and a 3TB platter.
23:04 <@Shadow404> show me that setup!
23:05 <@Shadow404> what about this for a platter: http://www.microcenter.com/product/397398/Network_Red_2TB_IntelliPower_SATA_60Gb-s_35_Internal_Hard_Drive_(NAS)_WD20EFRX_-_Bare_Drive
23:06 <@oddball> You'll need an adapter to put it in a 3.5bay, but here's the SSD I have in my windows box: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W00YW3563
23:06 <@Shadow404> it wouldnt be for a raid
23:07 <@oddball> And here's a 3TB drive for $113.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
23:07 <@Shadow404> oddball: if it doesnt exactly spin, whats the hard in just letting it rest inside the bay with something to stop if from grounding?
23:08 <@Shadow404> *harm
23:08 <@Shadow404> if i dont get an adapter
23:08 <@oddball> Eh... I'd rather not let the drive just bounce around.
23:08 <@Dagmar> Just wrap it in cardboard
23:09 <@Dagmar> If it's metal frame touches the case, that's actually a good thing.
23:09 <@oddball> You can just let it sit there... but you can pick up an adapter for $6.
23:11 <@oddball> So... that set up for, what... $220 plus shipping.
23:11 <@Shadow404> plus os
23:11 <@Dagmar> Or just do like I do and screw in two screws, call it a day
23:11 <@Shadow404> +$99 home or +$140 for pro
23:11 <@Dagmar> Safe as long as you don't SHIP the computer anywhere like that
23:12 <@Dagmar> Sadly, you probably want pro
23:12 <@Shadow404> yeah, i want to emulate 32 bit for some things
23:15 <@oddball> Shadow404: So... no OS disc from the previous install?
23:15 <@Dagmar> I've never had to emulate 32-bit
23:15 <@Dagmar> It handles 32-bit code fine
23:16 <@Dagmar> Or maybe that doesn't exist in home.  I got ultimate so I don't really care
23:16 <@Dagmar> I knew I was going to need RDP
23:17 <@Shadow404> oddball: sadly no, this was a custom computer
23:17 <@Shadow404> i got it on heavy discount
23:18 <@Shadow404> but it was a deal i couldnt miss up, lasted me 2+ years of gaming so far and all ive upgraded is the ram
23:18 <@Shadow404> plus, i leave it running 24/7 as my web server/weather station
23:19 <@Shadow404> oddball: if win 7 only need 20gb (home version) why 120gb ssd?
23:20 <@Shadow404> i could get 64gb for $60
23:21 <@Dagmar> You can make it put your programs on another drive
23:24 <@eryc> i didnt have mounting brackets for my ssd when i built my desktop
23:24 <@eryc> i just threw the fucker in there and called it a day
23:24 <@oddball> Shadow404: because windows likes to go "mmm... hard drive!  om-nom-nom."
23:25 <@oddball> That 20GB is seriously on the low end of usage.
23:25 <@oddball> Also, I think ~twice the storage space for an extra $40 is worth it.
23:31 <@Shadow404> gonna head to bed to mull this over
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23:52 <@sdodson> Indian food is da bomb
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