--- Log opened Wed Jan 08 00:00:01 2014
--- Day changed Wed Jan 08 2014
00:00 < aestetix_> I just got the joke.
00:00 < aestetix_> That's awful.
00:00 <@anarchival> Corydon: That's probably my next step. Asshole didn't even bother to show up for family dinner, when I was going to have a chat with him. Broke our grandmother's heart.
00:00 <@SuMo_D> aestetix maybe I should send random boobs to IDESG list
00:00 <@SuMo_D> I never sent back their questionnaire
00:01 <@SuMo_D> I'm not sure if that matters
00:01 <@SuMo_D> also Corydon76-work I did find that crazy ex of mine by using Spokeo
00:01 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: please do send the questionaire in
00:01 < aestetix_> I need to figure out a better way to get people to join
00:02 < RangerZ> http://www.idecosystem.org/ this thing?
00:02 < GateKeeper> Title: Announcements | Identity Ecosystem Steering Group (at www.idecosystem.org)
00:02 < aestetix_> RangerZ: yes
00:02 < aestetix_> you should join
00:02 < RangerZ> what is it?
00:02 < aestetix_> RangerZ: the group tasked with implementing NSTIC.... basically federated identity
00:02 < RangerZ> 'ehh'
00:02 <@SuMo_D> also Corydon76-work just keep sending him this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpwA_ISeZqc
00:02 < GateKeeper> Title: I Ejaculate Fire - Dethklok - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:02 <@SuMo_D> repeatedly
00:02 < aestetix_> And discussing things like how identity should work with hipaa, law, etc
00:02 <@SuMo_D> that's what got my dude to lay off
00:03 < aestetix_> RangerZ: if you join, let me know. Then I'll just send you an email letting you know when and how to vote
00:03 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ I'll try to find it
00:03 <@SuMo_D> got my lasers done today! exhausted
00:03 < RangerZ> hmm... let me look, I probably know people already on it
00:04 < RangerZ> http://www.truststc.org/
00:04 < GateKeeper> Title: The Team for Research in Ubiquitous Secure Technology (at www.truststc.org)
00:04 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: bonus if he's epiletic
00:04 <@SuMo_D> and yeah, apparently we have a pitch meeting with a major company on Monday... so... prototypes must be done! But... need to get examples for a class I"m teaching done as well... when the fuck did I get so busy all of a sudden... but its awesome :)
00:04 < RangerZ> thats probably involved , which vandy, and UC Berkeley are involved in
00:09 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: I just sent the video to the guy who wanted my dick pic
00:10 <@SuMo_D> :D
00:10 <@SuMo_D> yea!!!
00:10 <@SuMo_D> that just made my awesome day even happier
00:10 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, fuck, I should send him Sesame Street videos
00:10 <@SuMo_D> if he asks again... just keep sending it
00:11 <@SuMo_D> you should send him stuff from Meet the Feebles
00:13 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duh0e032Dus
00:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Puppet Bondage Porn --- Meet the Feebles - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:15 <@SuMo_D> probably one of the most disturbing things I ever saw as a kid... in Saudi Arabia of all places... I think it was on the local channel which was put on by somebody who wired it up for our community only or one of the older kids rented it or something
00:15 <@SuMo_D> or this one... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulb0pLBgRCw he might take that the wrong way though
00:15 < GateKeeper> Title: Meet the Feebles - Sodomy - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:16 <@SuMo_D> older kids might have been my brother... I don't remember... it was just horrifying... I remember that part
00:16 <@anarchival> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21OH0wlkfbc
00:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Bert & Ernie tries Gangsta-Rap - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:16 <@anarchival> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA
00:17 < GateKeeper> Title: "Cooking by the Book" A Lil Bigger Mix by Mastgrr - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:17 <@anarchival> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqTHmzMk0Cw
00:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Potter Puppet Pals: Wizard Swears - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:17 <@Corydon76-work> He hasn't texted back after that first video
00:17 <@anarchival> God, I love the Internet.
00:18 <@Corydon76-work> Actually, he said it's a prepaid cell, so I bet I could probably waste his entire allocation of text messages
00:19 <@Corydon76-work> I love laughing out loud, here, because the parrot joins in with the laughter
00:25 < aestetix_> something about everyone going to sleep and leaving me alone makes me want to work on projects
00:32 <@SuMo_D> projects!
00:32 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ you are never alone
00:32 < aestetix_> lol
00:33 < aestetix_> which reminds me
00:33 <@SuMo_D> there is always SOMEONE watching the terror squid
00:33 < aestetix_> I need to start writing out the script for my next video
00:33 < aestetix_> hahaha
00:34 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ have you ever seen meet the Feebles?
00:34 < aestetix_> god yes
00:34 <@SuMo_D> I've never seen the full thing...
00:34 <@SuMo_D> not sure if I'd ever really want to
00:34 < aestetix_> It's one of the few movies I own a copy of :)
00:34 <@SuMo_D> :)
00:34 <@SuMo_D> do you own it or does John Waters
00:34 < aestetix_> did you ask dmolnar about that?
00:34 <@SuMo_D> does John Waters get a vote on it?
00:34 <@SuMo_D> yeah
00:34 < aestetix_> haha
00:34 <@SuMo_D> he was like... what?
00:35 < aestetix_> what did he say
00:35 <@SuMo_D> and then he was like... oh... yeah that...
00:35 <@SuMo_D> the whole proxie into the meeting
00:35 <@SuMo_D> and who is John Waters!
00:36 < aestetix_> The best part is it was going through Jake, Mr. Tor
00:36 <@SuMo_D> lol
00:36 <@SuMo_D> I kept trying to get a moment to ask them about Jake and his markedness
00:36 <@SuMo_D> markedness
00:36 <@SuMo_D> arg
00:37 <@SuMo_D> auto correct
00:37 <@SuMo_D> married-ness
00:37 < aestetix_> Jake got married?
00:37 <@SuMo_D> he was engaged
00:37 <@SuMo_D> I think it happened...
00:37 < aestetix_> he didn't mention it at 30c3
00:37 < aestetix_> then again, he was in celebrity mode the whole fucking time
00:37 <@SuMo_D> its Jake
00:37 <@SuMo_D> exactly
00:38 <@SuMo_D> but yeah, last Dec. he was engaged... and Dmolnar and his gf were hanging out with him and his fiancé a lot
00:39 < aestetix_> I hope not to Laura Poitras
00:39 <@SuMo_D> no clue
00:41 <@SuMo_D> she was living in Seattle I think, they all were
00:41 < aestetix_> got it
00:41 <@SuMo_D> but yeah... Jake
00:42 <@anarchival> Now that I see Meet the Feebles, Puppet Dreams seems pretty tame.
00:42 < aestetix_> well as long as it wasn't sabrina, sounds fine :p
00:42 < aestetix_> (sabrina is my ex)
00:42 <@SuMo_D> as if he stays in one place
00:42 <@SuMo_D> k
00:43 <@SuMo_D> was 30c3 where Dmolnar hacked the SSL cert publicly? I can't remember
00:43 <@SuMo_D> I know it was somewhere in Germany
00:43 < aestetix_> no
00:43 < aestetix_> that was... 25c3 I think
00:44 <@SuMo_D> its Chaos Computer Club - 3C yes?
00:44 < aestetix_> yes
00:44 <@SuMo_D> yeah... I think it was 25 then
00:44 <@SuMo_D> dude...
00:44 <@SuMo_D> so I went to Wacken right...
00:45 <@SuMo_D> the biggest metal festival in the world... cause I was like... if my business makes money, even a dollar that year, I'd go...
00:45 <@SuMo_D> and I met these two 16 year olds in the Korpikallani pit, who were all about 3C and one of them had seen Dmolnar's talk
00:45 <@SuMo_D> it was awesome :D
00:46 <@SuMo_D> also only pit I've ever been in where more than half the people were wearing sheepskins
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01:11 < aestetix_> oh wow
01:11 < aestetix_> https://www.facebook.com/business/facebook-wifi
01:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Get Facebook Wi-Fi for Your Business | Facebook (at www.facebook.com)
01:11 < aestetix_> speaking of privacy issues
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01:30 < aestetix_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FPFUrXbQgc
01:30 < GateKeeper> Title: Portlandia Feminist Bookstore Compilation - Season 2 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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01:47 <@SuMo_D> I miss the Northwest
01:48 <@SuMo_D> this is a chill machie
01:49 <@SuMo_D> machine
02:27 < aestetix_> man
02:27 < aestetix_> I love Bing Crosby
02:28 <@SuMo_D> http://www.upworthy.com/by-looking-at-her-you-may-not-know-what-shes-hiding-underneath?c=ufb1
02:28 < GateKeeper> Title: By Looking At Her, You May Not Know What Shes Hiding Underneath (at www.upworthy.com)
02:31 < aestetix_> I wonder if Bing Crosby would even get the light of day today.
02:31 < aestetix_> Which is sad
02:38 <@SuMo_D> sad
02:38 <@SuMo_D> yes
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04:12 < aestetix_> vagina
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05:18 < shadowmo1s> hello?
05:18 <@notlarry> good evening
05:18 <@notlarry> Welcome back
05:18 < shadowmo1s> woo hoo!
05:19 <@notlarry> @weather 37221
05:19 < GateKeeper> notlarry: Nashville, TN :: Clear :: 17F | Wind Chill: 10F | Wednesday: Mostly cloudy. High of 37F. Winds from the SSW at 5 to 10 mph. Wednesday Night: Overcast. Low of 23F. Winds less than 5 mph.
05:19 < shadowmo1s> @weather 85044
05:19 < GateKeeper> shadowmo1s: Phoenix, AZ :: Partly Cloudy :: 50F | Wednesday: Clear in the morning, then overcast. High of 68F. Winds less than 5 mph. Wednesday Night: Overcast in the evening, then partly cloudy. Low of 46F. Winds less than 5 mph.
05:32 <@notlarry> ls
05:32 <@notlarry> well fk
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06:06 < shadowmo1s> ..
07:24 <@notlarry> anyone in here read chinese?
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07:28 < RangerZ> hmm... perhaps we should require replies from JohnnyX, because without good communication.... hehe
07:29 <@Shadow404> hes a pretentious asshole?
07:29 <@Shadow404> or whatever that old topic was
07:29 <@Shadow404> notlarry: google does
07:29 <@Shadow404> shadowmo1s: waz up!
07:29 <@Shadow404> long time no see
07:29 <@Shadow404> @weather
07:29 < GateKeeper> Shadow404: Marietta, GA :: Clear :: 14F | Wind Chill: 8F | Wednesday: Clear. High of 39F. Winds from the North at 5 to 10 mph shifting to the ESE in the afternoon. Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy. Low of 25F with a windchill as low as 18F. Winds from the East at 5 to 10 mph.
07:30 <@Shadow404> woot, it will finally get above freezing today
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07:31 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:33 <@Shadow404> whats up Dole-Rizzle
07:39 <@Shadow404> does bbc tv work via a proxy on a uk IP?
07:39 <@Shadow404> i might do that when i get home
07:42 < RangerZ> Shadow404: yes
07:42 < RangerZ> I've never done it, but a fried used to
07:43 < RangerZ> http://www.iplayerproxy4u.com/ looks to be a lot of quick google results on it too
07:43 < GateKeeper> Title: UK Proxy Server for the BBC iplayer (at www.iplayerproxy4u.com)
07:43 <@Shadow404> woot, ok, gonna try that real quick then
07:44 <@notlarry> Shit, china thinks I am under 18
07:44 <@Shadow404> mental age or?
07:46 <@Bahhumbug> Shadow404: I got a UK-based linode instance which I ran squid off of so I could watch real coverage of the Olypics.
07:48 <@Shadow404> yeah, bbc stargazing is gonna have brian cox and chris hadfield on the same episode......squeeeeeeeeeee
07:48  * Shadow404 jumps around like a little kid in a candy shop
07:52 < shadowmo1s> meep
07:53 < shadowmo1s> anyone know how I can reclaim shadowmoss as I apparently don't remember my old password?
07:53 < shadowmo1s> oh, and hello again
07:54 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: alright, got the link saved and ready to setup at home
07:54 <@Shadow404> um
07:55 < shadowmo1s> hey, shadow404
07:55 < shadowmo1s> 'member me????
07:55 <@Shadow404> "/msg nickserv recover [nick]" i think
07:55 <@Shadow404> yes, long time no see
07:55  * Shadow404 snuggle tackles shadowmo1s 
07:56  * shadowmo1s bounces back and hugs shadow404
07:56 < shadowmo1s> I did that command and nothing happened
07:56 < shadowmo1s> it's been ... awhile ... since I've used irc
07:57 <@Shadow404> uh, what client you using?
07:58 <@Shadow404> see if it opened another chat box for a priv chat to the bot
07:58 <@Dolemite> You still have to know the password for the recover command
07:58 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: it should email you a way to do it
07:58 <@Shadow404> thats how i had it setup to recover
07:59 < shadowmo1s> I used to come in via mirage's host, now I'm on nl's
07:59 <@Dolemite> You have to join #freenode and get an operator to email you a new password
08:00 <@Dolemite> http://zurktech.blogspot.com/2008/12/reset-password-for-freenodenet.html
08:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Tech Talk: Reset password for freenode.net (at zurktech.blogspot.com)
08:00 < shadowmo1s> ok, I'll ponder that
08:00  * shadowmo1s hugs Dolemite hello
08:00 <@Dolemite> Howdy, moss!
08:01 < shadowmo1s> So, I survived 2.5 years in Honduras after 1.5 in Washington State
08:01 < shadowmo1s> after Honduras, I was in Chicago for about a month, then moved to Phoenix, where I am now
08:01 <@Dolemite> Honduras!?  What were you doing down there?
08:02 < shadowmo1s> civilan contractor to the us military, running a help desk
08:02 < shadowmo1s> now I'm a ... wait for it ... Linux admin
08:02 < shadowmo1s> very entry level
08:02 <@Shadow404> yep, what dole said, staffer will help
08:03 < shadowmo1s> but that should strike fear in the hearts of Linux admins everywhere
08:03 <@Dolemite> Fuck fuck fuck fuck.  Rule 34 or whatever the hell the number is.
08:03 <@Dolemite> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/secrets-of-the-living-dolls
08:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Secrets of the Living Dolls - Channel 4 (at www.channel4.com)
08:04 <@Dolemite> "A remarkable behind-the-scenes look at the secretive world of female masking, where men transform themselves into dolls by squeezing into elaborate rubber second skins"
08:04 <@Bahhumbug> Drop into #freenode and request a password reset mail for the account in question.
08:05 <@Bahhumbug> If the email tied to the account is no longer valid you will be SOL, however.
08:05 < shadowmo1s> hmmm.  not sure if it is or not
08:07 <@Dolemite> Man, Boing Boing definitely has some weird shit from time to time
08:08 <@Shadow404> are you sure you werent enjoying that?
08:09 <@Bahhumbug> shadowmo1s: "shadowmoss" is not registered with nickserv
08:09 <@brimstone> :(
08:09 <@brimstone> omg it's shadowmo1s
08:09 <@Bahhumbug> When the person using that nick now is gone just re-register it.
08:09 < shadowmo1s> it wouldn't let me use it this morning
08:09 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, someone is using the nick at the moment.
08:09 <@Bahhumbug> shadowmoss is shadowmoss!~shadowmos@68.53.72.174
08:10 < shadowmo1s> hmmm, someone took my nick!!!!
08:10 < shadowmo1s> wait, that is me
08:10 <@Dolemite> squatter's rights
08:10 < shadowmo1s> oh, maybe that is when I went to the wrong chat room
08:10  * shadowmo1s smacks dole
08:10 <@Dolemite> Seeing as how it's the same IP address, yeah, it's you
08:11 <@Dolemite> You have another IRC session running
08:11 < shadowmo1s> sigh
08:11 <@Shadow404> heh, that nick should drop soon if the irc client isnt still running
08:11 < shadowmo1s> not sure if it is or not
08:11 < shadowmo1s> nl is busy playing with underage Chinese boys at the moment, so he can't knock me out of it, I bet
08:12 <@brimstone> shadowmo1s: it's still running
08:12 < shadowmo1s> I'll be spending my time at work Friday morning reading up on screen
08:13 < shadowmo1s> Let me open up another putty session
08:15 <@Dolemite> screen -r
08:15 <@Dolemite> that will reattach you to a previous session.  If there's more than one, it will list the session numbers for you to pick frmo.
08:16 <@Dolemite> from
08:17 < shadowmo1s> hmm, only shows this screen
08:17 < shadowmo1s> can I perhaps be connected to more than one room on this session?
08:18 < shadowmo1s> how do I disconnect this session...?
08:18 < shadowmo1s> I'm still high maintenance, you see
08:18 <@Shadow404> screen -dr will close one instance and re-open it locally, like kill the scren at home and re-open it at work
08:18 <@Evilpig> damn people submitting bad changes
08:18  * shadowmo1s hugs Evilpig
08:19 <@Evilpig> heya shadowmoss
08:19 <@Shadow404> shadowmo1s: yes, but havent you always been high maintnence?
08:19  * Shadow404 ducks
08:19  * shadowmo1s smooches Shadow404
08:19 < shadowmo1s> yes
08:20 < shadowmo1s> ping shadowmoss
08:20 < shadowmo1s> oops
08:20 < shadowmo1s> trying to figures out if I killed the 'other' session
08:20 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Dammit, you beat me to it by 1 minute.
08:21 <@Evilpig> I would have beat you by like 5 but I was busy messing with a cable that has a bad crimp
08:21 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2z6v1kprs2wupon/2014-01-07%2015.42.16.jpg
08:21 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-01-07 15.42.16.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
08:21  * shadowmo1s beats both of you
08:21 <@Evilpig> not sure if you can tell there.  but only the second tooth is actually in
08:27 <@Dolemite> You couldn't have beaten me by 5 minutes because he didn't submit the brain dead pull request that much sooner :P
08:28 <@Dolemite> Yah, you can see that only Pin 2 has been crimped
08:28 <@Evilpig> I saw it right as he submitted it. :P
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08:28 < shadowmo2s> sigh
08:28 <@Evilpig> but my phone wasn't signed into github so I had to come upstairs
08:28 <@Dolemite> It took me a minute.  I was watching the new trailer for Muppets Most Wanted
08:29 <@Dolemite> And trying to clear my brain of the Secrets of the Living Dolls article on Boing Boing
08:29 <@Evilpig> eh?
08:29 < RangerZ> you know... it was actually _hard_ to stay in bed and keep on trying to go to sleep this morning
08:30 < RangerZ> sleep schedule re-adjustment ... ugh
08:30 < shadowmo2s> how do I switch to a differnt session, since I'm on '2' and maybe '1' is what I want to disconnect?
08:30 < RangerZ> screen has keyboard shortcuts to disconnect the screen session
08:30 <@Shadow404> shadowmo1s: start fresh
08:30 < RangerZ> doesn't it?
08:30 < shadowmo2s> Yeah, I've had at least 4 major shiftr changes since I started last April
08:30 <@Shadow404> "/quit" out of irc, and "/quit" the screen
08:31 <@Shadow404> then screen -r and repeat till it says you have no screens left
08:31 <@Shadow404> then start a fresh screen/irssi
08:31 < shadowmo2s> I tried to start fresh.  I think nl had some kind of 'do not connect' going on behind the screen, so to speak
08:31 < shadowmo2s> err, do not disconnect
08:31 <@Shadow404> doubt it, that would take a lot of configuration
08:31 <@Evilpig> not really
08:32  * shadowmo2s smacks Shadow404
08:32 <@Shadow404> alot more than most people would want to do
08:32 <@Shadow404> screen is pretty much perfect default
08:32 < RangerZ> my 'natural' sleep schedule is odd when you first hear it... but it becomes really nice
08:32 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: hey, only my mistress can smack me
08:32 < shadowmo2s> 'most people' and nl usually don't inhabit the same space
08:32 <@Dolemite> OMG they are teasing us with a forecast above freezing today
08:33 < RangerZ> sleep 4 hrs, up 2~3, then sleep another 4, then up the rest of the day
08:33 <@Shadow404> @weather
08:33 < GateKeeper> Shadow404: Marietta, GA :: Clear :: 14F | Wednesday: Clear. High of 39F. Winds from the North at 5 to 10 mph shifting to the ESE in the afternoon. Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy. Low of 25F with a windchill as low as 18F. Winds from the East at 5 to 10 mph.
08:33 < shadowmo2s> @weather 85044
08:33 < GateKeeper> shadowmo2s: Phoenix, AZ :: Partly Cloudy :: 44F | Wind Chill: 42F | Wednesday: Clear in the morning, then overcast. High of 68F. Winds less than 5 mph. Wednesday Night: Overcast in the evening, then partly cloudy. Low of 46F. Winds less than 5 mph.
08:33 < RangerZ> @weather 44515
08:33 <@Shadow404> lookie Dolemite, its gonna be 39 today
08:33 < GateKeeper> RangerZ: Youngstown, OH :: Light Snow :: 7F | Wind Chill: -4F | Wednesday: Overcast with a chance of snow. High of 23F with a windchill as low as -8F. Winds from the SSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 30%. Wednesday Night: Overcast with a chance of snow, then a chance of snow after midnight. Fog overnight. Low of 10F. Winds from the SW at 5 to 10 mph shifting to the WNW after (1 more message)
08:33 < RangerZ> atleast you aren't there
08:33 <@Dolemite> @weather 37831
08:33 < GateKeeper> Dolemite: Oak Ridge, TN :: Clear :: 11F | Wednesday: Clear. High of 37F. Winds less than 5 mph. Wednesday Night: Mostly cloudy. Low of 23F. Winds less than 5 mph.
08:34 < shadowmo2s> I'm a bit pissed I have needed a jacket the past few days
08:34 < RangerZ> @weather 37216
08:34 < GateKeeper> RangerZ: Nashville, TN :: Scattered Clouds :: 18F | Wind Chill: 9F | Wednesday: Overcast. High of 37F. Winds from the SSW at 5 to 10 mph. Wednesday Night: Mostly cloudy in the evening, then overcast. Low of 23F. Winds less than 5 mph.
08:34 <@Shadow404> @weather 99501
08:34 < shadowmo2s> I didn't live through 118* last summer to have chilly temps this winter
08:34 < GateKeeper> Shadow404: Anchorage, AK :: Overcast :: 25F | Wednesday: Overcast with a chance of snow in the afternoon. High of 28F. Winds less than 5 mph. Chance of snow 40%. Wednesday Night: Overcast with a chance of snow. Fog overnight. Low of 19F. Winds less than 5 mph. Chance of snow 80% with accumulations up to 2 in. possible.
08:34 < shadowmo2s> so I thought
08:34 < RangerZ> shadowmo2s: yes you did, you just didn't know it
08:34 <@Dolemite> shadowmo2s: You have no insulating fat on your body.  I would expect you to need a jacket in Honduras.
08:34 < RangerZ> plus the 'next' cold snap is suppose to come next week with more ice
08:34 < shadowmo2s> well, I do have a bit more now than I used to
08:35 <@Shadow404> you and i both
08:35 < shadowmo2s> I blame Honduras, and the dining facility on post
08:35 < RangerZ> Shadow404: thats not one of your split personalities?
08:35 < shadowmo2s> amazing what happens when someone else cooks for me
08:35 < shadowmo2s> even mililtary cooks
08:35 <@Shadow404> i blame a divorce
08:35 < shadowmo2s> wait, you got married and divorced since we last talked?
08:35 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: leave Shadow405 out of this
08:35 <@Shadow404> shadowmo1s: yes, apparently so
08:36 <@Shadow404> its been 5+ years, so yeah
08:36 < shadowmo2s> any kids?
08:36 < RangerZ> i figured it was Shadow420
08:36 < RangerZ> but ok
08:36 <@Shadow404> shadowmo1s: no just 2 dogs
08:36 < shadowmo2s> I'm old school around here
08:36 < shadowmo2s> dogs are better, imho
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08:36 < shadow405> what about me?
08:36  * Shadow404 smacks shadow405 back to the ether
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08:37 < shadowmo2s> wow, more shadows around here than a back street in Honduras!
08:37 <@Shadow404> lawl
08:37 < RangerZ> lies,Hondurans  don't have shadows
08:37 < RangerZ> they are like vampires like that
08:37 < shadowmo2s> well, they would if there were any lights around after dark
08:37 < shadowmo2s> you every been to soto cano?
08:38 < shadowmo2s> aka camp blackjack?
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08:42 < RangerZ1>  holy static cling batman
08:43 < RangerZ1> there must be 0% water in the atmosphere in here
08:44 <@Evilpig> beat you to it again, Dolemite 
08:44 <@Evilpig> dummy reopened the pull
08:44 <@Dolemite> damn you fucker!
08:45 <@Shadow404> porcine love
08:45 < shadowmo1s> ok, I've looked at the list of irc commands on wikipedia, and don't see how to switch between screens
08:46 < shadowmo1s> and, I stopped and started the session again...
08:46 <@Evilpig>  /win #
08:46 <@Evilpig> or esc #
08:46 <@Evilpig> or esc + arrow keys
08:46 <@Evilpig> or if you're on a mac option and the arrow keys
08:47 <@Evilpig> and for actual screen.
08:47 <@Evilpig> screen -ls will list the current screen sessions
08:47 <@Evilpig> ctl + a, d  will detach the current screen session
08:47 <@Evilpig> screen -rd [pid] will reattach to an existing session
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08:49 < shadowmo1s> thanks, wp, duly copied to a notepad
08:49 <@Dolemite> shadowmo1s: Just log into the linux box you're IRC'ing from and type sudo reboot.  That will drop any existing sessions. :)
08:49 < shadowmo1s> and nl will drop me as well!
08:49 <@Evilpig> nah
08:49 <@Evilpig> he'll appreciate the humor
08:49 < shadowmo1s> right
08:50 <@Evilpig> I'm gonna have to add so many aliases for shadowmoss now
08:50 < shadowmo1s> I did discover one night at work that if you grep for reboot in the message file, but, uh, forget the grep part and just pipe to reboot, the server obeys amazingly quickly
08:50 < shadowmo1s> ep, why, to keep me off here????
08:51 <@Dolemite> shadowmo1s: http://www.se2600.org/ircstats
08:51 < GateKeeper> Title: #se2600 @ Freenode stats by Evilpig (at www.se2600.org)
08:51 < shadowmo1s> oh
08:51 < shadowmo1s> sigh
08:52 < shadowmo1s> luckily it wasn't a production server, so I didn't get fired
08:52 <@Evilpig> two new aliases added in
08:53 < shadowmo1s> hopefully nl can help me recover shadowmoss
08:53 < shadowmo1s> he spent awhile this morning already helping me find linux administration books
08:55 <@Evilpig> added in peaches's other alias to his nick too
08:55 <@Evilpig> stats will be correct tomorrow
08:55 < shadowmo1s> is this freenode.net or freenode.org
08:56 <@Evilpig> I think .net
08:56 <@Evilpig> I just have it aliased as freenode
08:56 <@Evilpig> yeah .net
08:56 <@Shadow404> i connect via .org
08:56 <@Evilpig> http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
08:56 < GateKeeper> Title: About freenode: IRC Servers (at freenode.net)
08:57 < shadowmo1s> .net gets me Name or service not knows, and .org gets me nothing
08:57 < shadowmo1s> I'm trying to backtrack to where I may have used shadowmoss earlier
08:58 <@Evilpig> same server as shadowmo1s
08:58 <@Corydon76-work> shadowmo1s: so are you our new NSA contractor spy in residence?
08:59 < shadowmo1s> ummm.  I know nothing
09:00 < shadowmo1s> and an entire room of folks here will testify to that.  :)
09:00  * Corydon76-work notes that's not a denial
09:00  * shadowmo1s notes he is correct
09:00 < shadowmo1s> I am no more a spy than I ever was
09:01  * shadowmo1s hugs Corydon
09:01 <@Corydon76-work> Shit, how'd you grab a contracting job with the NSA?
09:01 < shadowmo1s> hehe
09:01 < shadowmo1s> All this cluelessness is a front
09:01 < shadowmo1s> that's my story and I'm sticking to it
09:02 <@Corydon76-work> That's actually a denial you could easily add to a job interview.
09:02 < shadowmo1s> to get you up to speed, I'm in Phoenix, via Honduras and Washington State
09:02 < shadowmo1s> right
09:03 <@Corydon76-work> "I'd like to state for the record that I am not now, nor have I ever been, directly employed by the NSA"
09:03 < shadowmo1s> You should be proud to know that I am now a Linux/AIX administrator
09:03 <@Corydon76-work> woot
09:03 < shadowmo1s> since you taught me most of what I know
09:03 < shadowmo1s> Entry level, obviously
09:04 <@Corydon76-work> I have another friend who can also categorically deny that he's ever worked _directly_ for the CIA
09:04 < RangerZ1> god I love laser printers... 3~4 years after i bought this one... finally putting in the _free_ black replacement I got with it when I bought it
09:04 < shadowmo1s> Yeah, I don't use mine much, etiher
09:04 < shadowmo1s> either
09:04 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: print up badges for PhreakNIC just one year.  that'll drain a toner cartridge fast
09:05 <@Corydon76-work> shadowmo1s: if I taught you most of what you know about Linux administration, I guess you don't know very much
09:05 <@notlarry> Evilpig: wow, you were right, Dolemite's secret disney princess pr0n really is creepy.
09:05 < shadowmo1s> cough
09:05 < aestetix_> penis
09:05 <@Evilpig> notlarry: I wasn't supposed to tell you about that
09:05  * shadowmo1s hugs aestetix
09:05 <@notlarry> Evilpig: The evils of drink eh?
09:06 < shadowmo1s> nl, I seem to have a session open under shadowmoss and can't reclaim it now
09:06 <@Dolemite> notlarry: It's no secret, I'm in Ariel.
09:06 <@Dolemite> into
09:06  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
09:06 <@Dolemite> ah, fuck it
09:06 <@Corydon76-work> shadowmo1s: what I've learned of Linux administration since we last talked is vastly more
09:06 <@notlarry> Ok, how do I force comcast to issue me a new ip?  It seems china finds this one suspect
09:06 < shadowmo1s> dol, does your wife know???
09:06 <@Dolemite> shadowmo1s: She's the one who wears the costume
09:06  * shadowmo1s reaches for brain bleach
09:06 <@Evilpig> shadowmo1s: type /exit to leave irssi.  then exit to close screen.  next type screen -ls to list the screen sessions available then screen -rd [pid of the other screen session]
09:06 <@Corydon76-work> notlarry: change the MAC address of the machine connecting to the cable modem
09:07 <@Corydon76-work> then reboot the cable modem
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09:07 <@notlarry> you misspelled Corydon76-work there are like 6 or 7 machines hooked to the cablemodem
09:07 <@notlarry> what?
09:08 -!- notlarry is now known as NotLarry
09:08 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: so this is either a business class cablemodem, or it's already doing NAT for you
09:09 <@NotLarry> It is doing nat for me.  It is the one with the router and wifi all built in.
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09:09 <@NotLarry> I need to change the ip it is assigned
09:09 < shadowmoss> woo hoo
09:09 < shadowmoss> I'm back!
09:09 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, that's considerably more complicated.  I don't really know how to do that
09:09 < shadowmoss> china thinks YOU are questionable???
09:09 <@Corydon76-work> My technique is a trick that has worked for quite some time
09:09 < shadowmoss> they are more advanced than I thought
09:10 <@Corydon76-work> but it's just a trick
09:10  * shadowmoss thinks corydon is very tricky
09:10 <@NotLarry> Well, they think my ip is.  I think, when I run it through google translate it gives me some words I don't want to repeat here.  Mostly cause it will end up as the topic.
09:10 < shadowmoss> ok, I need to get back to actually acomplishing things
09:10 <@Corydon76-work> shadowmoss: You have no idea
09:10 <@NotLarry> So, what is the trick?
09:10 < shadowmoss> Mom is due to come for an indefinitely long visit in 2 weeks
09:11 < shadowmoss> and I am spending my days off next week in Vegas
09:11 < aestetix_> vagina
09:11 <@NotLarry> aestetix_: so, is that your identity or your name?
09:11 <@Evilpig> shadowmoss: be sure to hit up the strip clubs
09:11 <@Corydon76-work> With a consumer grade cablemodem, it binds your current allocation to the MAC address of the machine connected to it, so if you change the MAC address, the cable modem switches the IP address
09:11 <@NotLarry> shadowmoss: for pleasure, not for work.
09:11 <@Corydon76-work> but you've got a more complex cablemodem, so I'm not sure how to do that
09:12 < aestetix_> NotLarry: my identity is vagina
09:12  * shadowmoss thinks her memory must be faulty
09:12 <@NotLarry> Well, your vagina felt like laminate if you ask me.
09:12 <@Evilpig> ^
09:12  * shadowmoss reaches for brain bleach again
09:12 <@Evilpig> it was very stiff
09:13 <@NotLarry> Yes, stiff it was.
09:13 < shadowmoss> gotta stock up on that, forgot about that part
09:13 < aestetix_> NotLarry: you need to focus more on foreplay
09:13 <@NotLarry> aestetix_: you misspelled masterbation.
09:13 <@Corydon76-work> shadowmoss: there's some 23yo guy with tanned skin, conditioned abs, looks all the world like an Adonis, who is trying to get me to sleep with him
09:14 < aestetix_> I didn't know ware was 23
09:14  * shadowmoss thinks 'oh the humanity'
09:14 <@Corydon76-work> Pffft, ware doesn't look like that
09:14 <@NotLarry> Corydon76-work: I don't think sleep is what he has in mind
09:14 < shadowmoss> is ware still around?
09:14 <@Evilpig> shadowmoss: you haven't been around since I moved to jersey
09:14 < shadowmoss> he should be, what, 20yo by now?
09:14 <@Shadow404> whats a good proxy plugin for chrome?
09:14 <@NotLarry> Talked to him last friday.
09:14 <@Corydon76-work> shadowmoss: Yeah, my reaction is, you look like that, and you want to sleep with me, there's obviously something you're not telling me.
09:15 <@Dickie> ...hello
09:15 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: foxyproxy
09:15 <@NotLarry> Corydon76-work: That it will take more than a week for the rash to go away?
09:15 <@NotLarry> DICKIE!
09:15  * shadowmoss decides that silence is the better part of discretion right now...
09:15 <@Dickie> Hey, that's me!
09:15  * Dickie wiggles
09:15  * Evilpig waggles
09:16 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: that's one thought.  The other is this he's some psycho stalker
09:16 <@NotLarry> Ok, lets get back to helping me play League in China damn it...
09:16  * shadowmoss goes again to find her stash of brain bleach
09:16 <@NotLarry> I asked for help from my chinese friends, but they don't speak english
09:16 < shadowmoss> Corydon:  yeah two stalkers don't really go together, especially psycho ones
09:17 <@NotLarry> and their response comes up in google translate as "frog grass long time dollar five"
09:17 <@Corydon76-work> Hey, I've settled down with a guy from Nunnelly
09:17 < shadowmoss> You are with a guy who's a nun???
09:18 <@NotLarry> no, "gets nun".  It is a couples thing...
09:18 <@Corydon76-work> I mention the town only because I know you know where that is
09:18 < shadowmoss> I do???
09:18 < shadowmoss> my long/short term memory is starting to lapse
09:18 <@Corydon76-work> You're from Lyles, aren't you?
09:18 < shadowmoss> that's my other defense
09:18 < shadowmoss> tn?
09:18 <@Evilpig> shadowmoss has been smoking too much pot down there.
09:18 < shadowmoss> I do know where that is
09:19 <@NotLarry> Not where she works.
09:19 < shadowmoss> right, that's how I pass all these back ground checks to work with the nsa.. er, fanniemae
09:19 <@Corydon76-work> Nunnelly is the vast majority of Hickman county
09:19 < shadowmoss> ah
09:19 <@NotLarry> For her job "random" means are they going to test for drugs in the morning or the afternoon...
09:19 < shadowmoss> it has been 5+ years since I drove around there.
09:20 < shadowmoss> now I know more about Honduras than tn
09:20 <@Corydon76-work> I thought you grew up in Lyles, though?
09:20 < shadowmoss> nope, Indiana
09:20 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, okay
09:20  * shadowmoss is not the droid you are looking for
09:21 <@Corydon76-work> I was going to say, I know the area I grew up around
09:21 < shadowmoss> I grew up around Lapel, Indiana
09:21 < shadowmoss> I've spent a long time trying to forget most of what I knew about the area
09:23  * shadowmoss just finished washing her PN6 and OZ1 beer glases
09:23 < shadowmoss> glasses even
09:26 <@Shadow404> heh
09:28 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: having him test the dev instance seems to have solved that 
09:30 < shadowmoss> hmmm.  it is 3.5 hrs to Algodones, MX
09:30 < shadowmoss> I want to go down there, but tomorrow is my last day to do that before Mom gets here
09:30 < shadowmoss> not sure I'm up for 7hrs driving in one day
09:31 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Recall that I had to sneak out an updated tarball of 3.1 because I found where you had used the DeviceID as the array index, which screwed up the sorting.  He may have one of the early release tarballs.
09:32 <@Evilpig> that's entirely possible
09:33 <@Evilpig> guess I should pop down to the dc and change out that cable this morning before the tour gets here
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10:09 < Synx|hm> Shadow404: you sleep at all? ;)
10:10 <@Mirage> Dolemite: buto caught wind of the supposed Boba Fett spinoff movie and claims he's starting an online petition for MC Chris to contribute to the soundtrack.
10:10 <@Shadow404> Synx|hm: got some sleep
10:10 <@Shadow404> not much though
10:14  * shadowmoss hugs Mirage
10:16 <@Dagmar> New stupidity: dhcp.mc.v.e is now in the domain search order
10:17 <@Dagmar> we don't use that.  I"m certain we don't use that
10:17 <@Dagmar> Why am I not allowed to hunt and skin our AD admins
10:17 <@Dagmar> WHY?!
10:17 < shadowmoss> they aren't in season
10:17 < shadowmoss> besides, they make terrible seat covers
10:18 < shadowmoss> I will stop spamming here soon, I promise
10:18 < shadowmoss> it's just fun to be back
10:19 <@Evilpig> lol
10:20 <@Dagmar> Well, it's good to have you back
10:22  * oddball blinks
10:22 <@oddball> shadowmoss: hey!
10:22 < nachoguy> shadowmoss lives!
10:26 <@Evilpig> okay so I just did a no no and repaired a cable here rather than replace it.  
10:26 <@Evilpig> don't think anyone will ever be the wiser though
10:27 <@Evilpig> happy server again.
10:30 <@oddball> I'm guessing repair involved "chop off end, replace?"
10:30 <@Evilpig> yap
10:30 <@oddball> I take it you're now in a shop that believes in only using prefabbed cables?
10:30 <@Evilpig> i am
10:31 <@Evilpig> this was a cable that was running back to  a patch panel the a big chassis switch and the labeling was crap
10:32 <@oddball> I remember working at a place that used prefab whenever possible.  When I asked why, I was told that they had witnessed shorter lifespans on build your own cables.  To which I have to think of the cable that I made in college with a screwdriver and pair of pliers that's still being used.
10:33 < Synx|hm> i still for the life of me cannot get this fucking iproute2 setup figured out
10:33 < Synx|hm> ugh
10:33 < Synx|hm> its killing my torrent seeding haha
10:35 < Synx|hm> there must be a linux-networking specific channel on freenode, the pfsense channel was too slow and the ubuntu channel full of "how do i change my background in unity"
10:35 <@oddball> I still need to research how to do all the nifty shit with pfsense.
10:36 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: if you're using pfsense it's freebsd backed isn't it?  ask Mirage 
10:36 <@oddball> I know there's a way to track data usage by internal IP address... just haven't figured out how.
10:36 <@Evilpig> oddball: bandwidthd
10:37 <@Evilpig> http://blueboy.wilpig.org/bandwidthd/
10:37 < GateKeeper> Title: Bandwidthd (at blueboy.wilpig.org)
10:37 <@oddball> hmmmm... thanks...
10:37 <@Evilpig> if it needs a login stats/stats
10:37 <@Evilpig> it's not perfect but it's close enough
10:39 <@oddball> Yeah... I already poked at that... guess I didn't poke hard enough.
10:39  * shadowmoss glomps oddball
10:39 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: im doing this iproute stuff on my linux seedbox server
10:39  * shadowmoss then turns and glomps nachoguy
10:39 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: though i am open to other suggestions for accomplishing this goal
10:40  * shadowmoss goes back to the laundryroom to put clothes in dryer
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10:40 < Synx|hm> oddball: ya i have not even begun to get close to fulling understanding pfsenses potential, i do however run 10 vlans in my home which i was very happy with myself about for getting setup :)
10:42 <@oddball> Synx|hm: Well, I just installed it a couple weeks ago.  Big thing was that I wanted to be able to monitor my usage and compare it to what Comcast thinks it is.
10:43 < Synx|hm> for a while i was running LAN -> Untangle (Bridge) -> pfSense -> WAN, and Untangle is really nifty but very little granular control, it also doesnt support vlan passthrough so i dropped it
10:44 <@Shadow404> did it break?
10:44 <@oddball> Synx|hm: I do have to ask... why do you have 10 vlans at home?  Are you simulating your work enviroment?
10:45 < Synx|hm> untangle? it did show some odd behavior a few times blocking some local lan services and it was also doing sending some dupilicate packets across my network which i could never figure out
10:45 <@Dolemite> SO MUCH FUN.  We are upgrading SAN directors at the backup site, so of course they won't fit in the cabinet with the existing SAN switches, so now everything has to be swung over from the old location to the new.  I could just burst from the excitement.
10:46 < Synx|hm> oddball: i wanted to learn about vlans as i had never worked with them before, so it was part exercise in learning and part segmenting of my ESXi lab up between networks for security
10:46 <@oddball> Fair enough.
10:46 < Synx|hm> oddball: so ive done a few extra things like setup a vlan with its own wifi that has no outside world access nor any access into it unless i specifically grant for cameras etc
10:46 < Synx|hm> i'm terribly paranoid about cameras in my home and people looking at me
10:47 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: way back when... I used untangle and never could get it to map my services right
10:47 < Synx|hm> i cannot believe all the people running live cameras all over their house, and then opening up ports on their router so they can be gotten to from the wan
10:47 <@Evilpig> all the people behidn my untangle box couldn't hit the services behind it from the public adddress.  yes I coul dhave setup an internal dns view but I was trying to do the easy way
10:47 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: ya, it was nifty for sure, but i was very unhappy with the lack of control it provides
10:48 <@oddball> Hmmm.... That reminds me.  My current wifi just straight up doesn't like some devices.  I may break out one of those Cisco AP units I have in the garage.
10:48 < Synx|hm> oddball: i have noticed similar things with my unifi ap, it is very finiky
10:48 < Synx|hm> i have not been very impressed with unifi so far
10:49 <@Evilpig> buffalo has some nice APs
10:49 < Synx|hm> awesome that it supports vlans, terrible that its 100mbit unless you pay out the ass for the enterprise version, and the fucking thing reboots itself about once every 4 hours
10:49 <@Dagmar> *shakeshakeshake*
10:49 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: put down the admin
10:50 <@oddball> This is a Netgear 802.11n router.  Some N routers just don't play well with certain devices for some reason.
10:50 <@Evilpig> this is true
10:51 <@oddball> The one I got for my mom got around it by just having a second b/g setup built into it.
10:51 < Synx|hm> i have a very strange behavior on my network where if i go to sleep and all of my laptops are off (so nothing aside from cell phones trying to maintain connection to my ap) then all my cellphones lose their wifi connection until i fire up a laptop
10:51 < Synx|hm> wtf
10:51 <@oddball> Ok, that's fucked up.
10:51 <@Evilpig> oddball: that's what my linksys does as well
10:51 < Synx|hm> oddball: ya it was really frustrating trying to deduce what was fucking going on
10:52 < Synx|hm> i think a unifi software update may have resolved it but i have not been home for a month so hard to say
10:52 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: that is weird.  would never happen in my house with the wdtv always connected, plus the laptop on my bed
10:52 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: how do you like your wdtv?
10:52 < nachoguy> Shadowmoss, you spent a month in my town and didn't even hunt me down?
10:53 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: I like it for the most part
10:53 < Synx|hm> I'm trying to figure out where to go from Boxee, i need something that will support raw dvd/bluray mkv streaming in a nice interface and quickly updating library
10:53 < Synx|hm> i do not want to transcode before i send to my local device
10:53 <@Evilpig> the netflix support of it is sluggish.  if you browse a directory with more than 100 files it tends to have a little lag when you go about 4 pages into the files
10:53 < Synx|hm> oh and the kicker is i want live tv, preferably from my hdhomerun
10:54 <@Evilpig> it's a momentary lag but it's jsut enough
10:54 <@Evilpig> wdtv supports the hdhomerun natively
10:54 < Synx|hm> oh score!
10:54 <@Evilpig> and some other service too which is odd
10:54 <@oddball> I know Plex doesn't support mkv (yet).  Does XBMC?
10:54 < Synx|hm> plex has bene playing my mkv's file as far as i can tell?
10:54 <@Shadow404> did you ever figure out the memory issue with plex?
10:54 <@Evilpig> plex supports mkv
10:54 <@Shadow404> taking up all the resources
10:54 < Synx|hm> and i know xbmc does
10:55 < Synx|hm> Shadow404: nope, not a clue what the hell was causing that
10:55 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: me adding in 4TB worth of content 
10:55 <@oddball> Ok, I was thinking it didn't.
10:55 < Synx|hm> i updated to the latest build though and it seems to have cleared
10:55 <@Shadow404> is it fully added now?
10:56 <@oddball> Oh, right... it's just the raw DVD files it has issues with.
10:56 <@Evilpig> I am not sure.  it's been transcoding for over week generating thumbnails
10:57 <@Evilpig> 74G  /var/lib/plexmediaserver
10:57 <@Evilpig> thumbnails and metadata
10:57 <@oddball> jesus dude.... do you even watch all that shit?
10:57 <@Evilpig> oddball: I have watched it all
10:58 <@Evilpig> i'm working through all the stuff I just got around new years/christmas
10:58 <@Shadow404> hrmm, ok, ill her try again with the stream and see if it doesnt hang every 10 secs
10:58 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: I need more cpu power.  the 720 content is stressing the fuck out of it and causing the hanging
10:59 <@Shadow404> ahh
10:59 < shadowmoss> nachoguy:  it was a strange month
10:59 < shadowmoss> a lot of snow and cold and I
10:59 < shadowmoss> had just come back from 2.5 years in HOnduras
10:59 <@Evilpig> cause all that has to be transcoded and that server is just plain underpowered
10:59 < shadowmoss> I walked off the job
10:59 < shadowmoss> and landed here in Phoenix
10:59 < shadowmoss> much better weather
10:59 < shadowmoss> if you can stand 118* in the summer
11:00 <@oddball> OH, shit.  Decided you had enough and said "fuck it?"
11:00 <@Evilpig> shadowmoss: make sure you get some In n' Out when you get to vegas for me.  Double double, animal style.  k thx
11:00 < shadowmoss> sigh
11:00 < shadowmoss> I'll try
11:00 <@Evilpig> there is no try
11:00 <@Evilpig> when you get within an hour of In n' Out it's a must
11:01 < shadowmoss> oddball:  It was a cell tower upgrade.  When I went I was to work in the warehouse
11:01 <@Evilpig> fuck.  my mouth is watering now
11:01 < shadowmoss> when I got trained, they said go up on these tall buildings in downtown Chicago
11:01 < shadowmoss> in February
11:01 < shadowmoss> My winter stuff was still in storage
11:01 < shadowmoss> I said fuck that
11:01 < shadowmoss> ep:  I think they have them here...
11:01 <@oddball> heh... understood.
11:02 <@Evilpig> it's possible.  you're close enough there to get the fresh beef from CA
11:02 < shadowmoss> YEah, but I"m not into surfer dudes
11:03 < shadowmoss> what the heck is up with 25 min to next life in candy crush???
11:03  * shadowmoss goes back to the laundry room
11:03 <@oddball> shadowmoss: By the way, just got an "official gurka issue" kukri.  It feels like a bloody cleaver compared to the pretty ones we ordered years ago.
11:04 < shadowmoss> there is a strange looking dude hanging around acting like he's some kind of janitor
11:04 < shadowmoss> yeah, I just moved mine to a 'safe' place yesterday
11:04 <@Shadow404> back where you belong
11:04  * shadowmoss smacks shadowm404
11:05  * Shadow404 looks at shadowmoss and proceeds to throw all his dirty laundary at shadowmoss 
11:05 <@Shadow404> back to work!
11:05  * oddball dives for cover
11:05 <@Dagmar> VIad: It'll take a bluetooth dongle
11:06 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: i swear
11:06 <@Evilpig> one of these days i'm gonna do that to the tumblr channel
11:09 <@Dagmar> do what?
11:09 <@Shadow404> what does the favorite icon not work on the mobile version of tumblr?
11:11  * shadowmoss puts on rubber gloves and gathers up Shadow404's laundry and throws it back at him
11:13 <@Shadow404> just stick with the first part
11:20 <@Evilpig> type something intended for in here, but in there
11:21 < shadowmoss> Hey oddball
11:21 < shadowmoss> what's up with you since we last 'talked'?
11:21 < shadowmoss> married, divorced, kids?
11:22 <@oddball> Uh... finally got married, no kids (yet)
11:22 <@Evilpig> shadowmoss: she.  oddball is a she now
11:22 <@Evilpig> she's a really ugly girl too
11:22 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: huh?
11:22 <@Evilpig> not fooling anyone
11:22 < shadowmoss> ummmm.
11:22 < shadowmoss> pretty tall for a female
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11:22 < shadowmoss> but, I don't judge
11:22 <@Shadow404> shadowmoss: they come tall
11:22 <@Shadow404> hush
11:22 <@Shadow404> hard to find though
11:22 <@oddball> Closest to that is that I like wearing kilts... 'cause they're damn comfy.
11:23 < shadowmoss> you would know  :)
11:23 < shadowmoss> err, guess that applies to both comments
11:23 <@Shadow404> stepstool thats all im saying
11:23 <@oddball> I think you've tripped over my gun-nuttery.
11:23 <@Shadow404> actually without a step stool, its still fun at the correct height level
11:23 < shadowmoss> sigh
11:24 <@Shadow404> what?
11:24 < shadowmoss> nothing
11:24 <@Shadow404> its my exp
11:24 <@Evilpig> shadowmoss: ignore him
11:24 <@Shadow404> haha
11:24 < shadowmoss> I usually say 'cough' when I'm making that type of response, but that could have been taken a bit literally in the context
11:25 <@oddball> Also: got a house and 5 cats.
11:25 <@Shadow404> just make sure your hands are warm fisrt
11:25 < shadowmoss> ok, in candy crush does it give you multiple lives or just randomely start the timer over
11:25 < shadowmoss> now it says 30 min to next life
11:25 <@Evilpig> every 30 min it gives you a life up to a max of 5
11:26 < shadowmoss> I just started playing today
11:26 < shadowmoss> ok, thanks
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11:26 <@oddball> One of which just decided to be a little shit.  Insisted on going out, quickly went to the back door acting like she wanted in.  When I opened the door, she walked up, looked around, and wandered off.
11:28 <@Shadow404> shadowmoss: gf is up to level 385 last check a week ago
11:28 <@Evilpig> i'm at 130 something but I refuse to go on til I get three stars just cause
11:30 < shadowmoss> I have one level so far I didn't get 3 stars on.
11:30 < shadowmoss> I figure I'll be playing on my phone as well, so I'll just start over
11:31 < shadowmoss> oddball:  congrats on the house and fur babies
11:31 < shadowmoss> I need some furbabies myself
11:31 < shadowmoss> waiting till Mom
11:31 < shadowmoss> 's visit is over
11:31 < shadowmoss> as she is alergic
11:31 < shadowmoss> ok, back to check clothes
11:38 <@Shadow404> correction, shes up to 461
11:49 < shadowmoss> how many levels are there?
11:49 <@Shadow404> i think its unlimited, but shes at the stage of having to buy level packs
11:50 <@Shadow404> im sure there is a max number of levels available,b ut they are always adding more
11:50 < shadowmoss> I don't buy games
11:50 < shadowmoss> so, I'll be limited
11:50 <@Shadow404> heh
11:50 < shadowmoss> however, it will take me forever to get very far anyway
11:51 <@Shadow404> she plays every night right before she falls asleep
11:51 <@Shadow404> its far better than a WoW addiction
11:51 < shadowmoss> she's your gf, and she has to play candy crush to fall asleep?
11:51 < shadowmoss> hmmmm
11:52 <@Shadow404> i said "right before she falls asleep"
11:52 <@Shadow404> for a reason
11:52 < shadowmoss> you don't wear her out enough?
11:52 < shadowmoss> :)
11:52 <@Shadow404> women have processes
11:52 < shadowmoss> right...
11:53 <@Shadow404> if she was beligerant from lack of sleep, she'd still play candy crush before passing out
11:55 < shadowmoss> my phone keeps hanging at 24.76 mb downloaded installing candy crush
11:55 < shadowmoss> the tablet had no issue
11:55 < shadowmoss> I just check and it looks like i have room
11:55 < shadowmoss> sigh
11:57 <@Shadow404> shouldnt that be a *cough*
11:57 < shadowmoss> no, that is reserved for 'questionable' comments
11:57 <@Shadow404> sigh
11:58 < shadowmoss> :)
11:58 < shadowmoss> don't tell me you are trying to actually understand me?
11:58 <@Shadow404> ...
12:03 < shadowmoss> my phone won't run candy crush
12:03 < shadowmoss> guess I need to put a memory card in it.
12:03 <@Evilpig> I would love to show y'all the test setup I just did to satisfy a ticket but I don't want to claim ownership of this
12:04 <@benthemeek> Gah, I am way out of my league here.  I have to figure out how to recompile some hava source into 1.5
12:04 <@Dagmar> hava?
12:04 <@benthemeek> java
12:04 <@benthemeek> sorry
12:04 <@Dagmar> Is that some jewish shorthand?
12:04 <@Dagmar> Oh
12:04 <@Evilpig> hava is like java, but it runs faster
12:05 <@Dagmar> I figured it might be part of a cotillion protocol...
12:05 <@Dagmar> hava nagila
12:06 <@benthemeek> Medicare released some sort of billing code update but updated the java binary they send us and it doesnt work on the dreaded unixware 7
12:06 <@benthemeek> at leas ton the highest level of java run time i can get for it
12:07 <@benthemeek> Im thinking of just ssh intoing a linux box letting it do the work and sending it back to the host machine rather than trying to figure out how to recompile this
12:07 <@Dagmar> Um... You are fucked.
12:07 <@benthemeek> Not very clean and if the internet is hosed there is no way to get the information look up they need but... it works
12:08 <@Dagmar> Recompiling it is *not* likely to help you
12:08 <@Dagmar> What you need to do is install the older runtime it requries.
12:08 <@Dagmar> You can have more than one installed on a box at one time
12:09 <@Dagmar> goddamn
12:09 <@Dagmar> NOw I see where my problem is
12:09 <@benthemeek> being that unixware is a dead os I keep running into crap like this
12:09 <@Dagmar> My phone has been carping about being low on space
12:09 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: THen you shoudl get handy with learning about setting JAVA_* variables
12:09 <@benthemeek> but then I hear about how crappy the linux jobs are in nashville (read Vandy) and think nope im happy right here
12:10 <@Dagmar> fucking clockworkmod has been making backups of it's backups
12:10 <@brimstone> clockworkmod recovery is kinda dumb
12:10 <@brimstone> also, it's old and busted now
12:11 <@Dagmar> Well, I've got a backup from 9-13 that was apparently in a different place
12:11 <@Dagmar> ...so the other backups have been cloning it
12:12 <@Dagmar> I've no idea how you think it's "old and busted"
12:15 <@Evilpig> there is actually a problem in this chassis either the backplane is slow and having issues or it's the sata cable.  fuck me
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12:23 < RangerZ1> Well... here we go with libpurple's "finch"
12:27 < RangerZ1> ping Dolemite
12:27 <@Dolemite> pong
12:27 < RangerZ1> can someone ping me back? I want to see if there are sounds
12:27 < RangerZ1> when my name is used
12:27 <@brimstone> RangerZ1:
12:28 < RangerZ1> hmm... odd, shows my name as RangerZ, not RangerZ1
12:28 <@timoguin> brimstone rising to the call of doodie
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12:28 < RangerZ> either way, no sound, so thanks
12:29 < RangerZ> but overall, this isn't too bad for a fully text based IRC/XMPP/etc client
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12:30 <@brimstone> RangerZ: i use bitlbee/weechat for that
12:30 <@Dolemite> I prefer an IRC/XSS client
12:31 < RangerZ> I use pidgin for IRC at home, (since i'm lazy and used to have a dozen different protocols in use, and never changed since then
12:32 < RangerZ> but I don't use MSN/live (for obvious reasons), yahoo... no need anymore..., AIM is joke
12:32 <@brimstone> i only use bitlbee to talk to one person
12:32 <@brimstone> sometimes two others, but i can reach those on irc
12:32 < RangerZ> IRC and XMPP are the only ones i really use, and just haven't bothered experimenting with others until now, lol
12:33 < RangerZ> Dolemite: xss? I'm assuming you don't mean cross site scipting
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12:40 <@Shadow404> i still prefer screen/irssi for porting the session between machines
12:42 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: It was a tongue in cheek statement
12:43 <@oddball> Shadow404: Yeah... Bitlbee works, but I prefer screen/irssi/centerim.
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12:51 < RangerZ> i used to use screen/naim , but I was only using it for AIM/IRC
12:51 < RangerZ> and it worked really well for those 2, but no others
12:51 < RangerZ> but that was like 5~6 years ago +
12:52 < RangerZ> So I do have a question, does anyone here _make_ REST APIs? or work with them?
12:54 <@brimstone> ... yes?
12:55 < RangerZ> well, I'm working on a project, that will involve creating APIs, and I'm looking for some good guidelines on how REST apis are made now a days
12:55 < RangerZ> I found http://www.vinaysahni.com/best-practices-for-a-pragmatic-restful-api and this looks easy enough to me
12:55 < GateKeeper> Title: Best Practices for Designing a Pragmatic RESTful API | Vinay Sahni (at www.vinaysahni.com)
12:56 < RangerZ> I need to find a 'best practices' API template, and examine it, b/c I'll be extracting it to a CRUD interface
12:57 < RangerZ> its an extension of my android code generator... this time it will generate the server API side, & the client code to handle it(not exactly sure on this part, but thats the general idea... for now)
12:58 < RangerZ> I'm at the feasibility exploration point right now
12:59 <@brimstone> RangerZ: i think the biggest part is versioning your api
13:00 < RangerZ> but from what I read form that article, and my past experience, It looks almost 'too' simple
13:01 < RangerZ> which led me to think I was missing a glaring issue, lol
13:02 <@brimstone> as long as you have a way to deny old clients in a sensable way, you'll be ok
13:02 <@brimstone> your first version is going to suck, so start planning on deprecating it
13:02 < RangerZ> yeah, I agree with the part about making the output 'pretty print' and having the version in the URL
13:02 <@brimstone> depricating?
13:02 < RangerZ> close enough
13:03 <@brimstone> i prefer including /v1/ in the url instead of requiring Version: 1 in the header
13:03 < RangerZ> Actually, the _point_ of the code generator is to make it easy to update the API, and to change it quickly when it is needed
13:05 < RangerZ> so I expect a Student's T curve of versions
13:06 < RangerZ> hmm... student's T isn't right
13:06 < RangerZ> w/e a huge # at the begining
13:08 < RangerZ> and then trailing off
13:09 < RangerZ> but ok, thanks, that makes it a lot easier, b/c apparently you're not "suppose" to do that, but rather in header info... and honestly I thought the URL made more sense when I first stumbled across the issue
13:10 < RangerZ> b/c thats what we do in non-http based URI requests in other ISIS stuff
13:11 <@brimstone> ISIS, Archer?
13:12 <@Shadow404> yeeep
13:13  * Shadow404 runs up to shadowmoss and touches the tip of her nose
13:13 <@Shadow404> "boop"
13:13 < RangerZ> brimstone: I don't get the reference
13:13 <@brimstone> glomp him! glomp him!
13:13 < RangerZ> ISIS = research institute at Vandy (which I assume you know)
13:14 < RangerZ> I haven't watched american TV since like the 2nd season of Dexter
13:14 <@brimstone> RangerZ: ISIS = evil spy corp in the show Archer
13:14 < RangerZ> ahh
13:14 <@brimstone> so no, i didn't get the reference
13:14 < RangerZ> its alo a terrorist group in Tripoli
13:15 < RangerZ> or however that is spelled... in Syria
13:15 < RangerZ> which leads to some funny screen caps possible on the news... lol
13:15 < RangerZ> as in "ISIS is responsible for dozens of deaths" etc
13:16 <@Shadow404> i thought isis was archers group?
13:16 <@Shadow404> yeah it is
13:16 <@brimstone> right, evil spy corp
13:18 <@Shadow404> well i think his arch-enemy is the evil corp
13:18 < RangerZ> no Archer's arch-enemy is Sniper
13:19 < RangerZ> damn barrel user...
13:19  * RangerZ references even more obscure Anime reference
13:19 <@Shadow404> woot i got my proxy working and the bbc stargazing live show is gonna take my question during the show at 3pm est
13:19 <@Shadow404> weeee
13:20 < RangerZ> Shadow404: thats cool, did that link work then?
13:22 < RangerZ> what is going to start to piss me off... is having to log in with my mom's cable info... to watch the olympics
13:22 < RangerZ> though... I'm not really interested in many of the winter events, other than speed skating
13:23 <@Dolemite> I like watching the bobsled, luge, and downhill skiing.
13:23 <@Dolemite> Oh, and the nordic event where they ski and then shoot.
13:24 <@Dolemite> I definitely prefer the cold Olympic events to the warm ones
13:24 < RangerZ> yeah, but I'm a pretty big soccer fan
13:25 < RangerZ> so i just kept my tv on the comcast soccer channel , b/c I still had cable TV during last olympics
13:26 < RangerZ> world cup should be good, TEAM USA mens is doing well, hopefully they do good, women's team isn't an issue, they are best in the world, really only .de and .jp are any concern to them
13:26 < RangerZ> but thats still a little ways off
13:28 < RangerZ> but we're like the only nation that doesn't give a fucking dime to its olympians, which is annoying
13:29 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: yeah, you have to get a temp username from the person that owns it
13:29 <@Shadow404> responded in abotu 2 hrs
13:29  * shadowmoss rubs her nose
13:29 <@Shadow404> boop
13:29 <@Shadow404> that was an archer reference
13:30  * shadowmoss gets no references to any pop culture
13:30 < shadowmoss> boop boop de doop
13:31 <@Shadow404> just need to wait for boss to go to meeting so he cant setup the teamviewer so he can listen
13:31 < RangerZ> can't?
13:31 <@Shadow404> *can
13:32 < RangerZ> yeah... mens world cup is in june, USA got in, so hopefully they make it to finals, that in and of itself would be really good
13:32 <@Shadow404> shes in my office brainstorming goals for our team in 2014
13:32 <@Shadow404> and im not really interested
13:33 < RangerZ> tell her "universal sufferage for all unicorns"
13:33 < RangerZ> actually Shadow404, what do you do?
13:33 <@Shadow404> provisioning analyst manager
13:33 < RangerZ> ahh so backend black-magic
13:34 < RangerZ> i'm assuming you mean VM provisioning, etc?
13:34 <@Shadow404> basically and database management
13:34 < RangerZ> fun fun
13:34 <@Shadow404> nah, this is OTA device provisioning
13:34 < RangerZ> ahh
13:34 <@Shadow404> thx onstar but far more complex
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13:35 < RangerZ> speaking of... google/ford/and a bunch of others... announced the "open car alliance" or something like that
13:35 < RangerZ> to make a single standard car-app interface
13:35 < RangerZ> basically android in cars, is what I'm guessing
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13:36 < RangerZ> http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/6/5279116/google-open-automotive-alliance-android-car-announcement
13:36 < GateKeeper> Title: Google launches the Android-based Open Automotive Alliance with Audi, Honda, GM, and more | The Verge (at www.theverge.com)
13:36 < RangerZ> guess it was GM, not Ford
13:37 < RangerZ> ahh it does say Android, specifically, I only heard about it over the air on the radio
13:44 < RangerZ> I don't know how I feel about this... because I've read enough academic articles about how _little_ security there really is on cars...
13:45 < RangerZ> let alone the news reports about people hacking into prius, etc
13:45 <@Shadow404> lets just say, that our company was an integral part of catching the boston bombers
13:45 <@Shadow404> ....
13:45 <@Shadow404> they were dumb enough to hijack a high dollar mercedes
13:45 < RangerZ> lol
13:47 < RangerZ> speaking of... I wonder if the olympics in Sochi(Sp?) will have terrorist(Liberation front/etc) attacks
13:47 <@Shadow404> if your gonna hijack something as a getaway car, dont hijack anything that somoene would bother puttign a trackign system in
13:47 <@Shadow404> and ffs, dont carry a cell phone that tied to your identify or if you must, take the battery otu and put in a faraday cage/box
13:48 < RangerZ> thank god those two were so sloppy
13:49 < RangerZ> look at the DC sniper
13:49 < RangerZ> he was actually well prepared, and it took HOW long to find them?
13:49 < RangerZ> he had a car with sniper hole built into it, and all
13:50 < RangerZ> so he could lay prone and hit people, then just get up , and drive away
13:50 <@Shadow404> thats some messed up preperation
13:50 <@Shadow404> just scary
13:51 < RangerZ> the movie Jack Reacher shows just how easy it would be also
13:51 <@Shadow404> im sure the u.s. special forces have done stuff like that elsewhere too
13:51 < RangerZ> ^^
13:57 < RangerZ> Shadow404: I told you about the stuff my political science prof was telling me, right, about the CIA handbooks
13:57 < RangerZ> basically guide books on being an 'insurgent'
13:58 < RangerZ> put a barrel of gasoline in a room, and let it evaporate completely before igniting it.. that way it explodes, instead of catches a slow fire
13:58 < RangerZ> and other crap like that
13:58 < RangerZ> but thats the one I remember
14:02 <@Shadow404> heh
14:02 <@Shadow404> they have to teach them guerillia warfare
14:04 <@Shadow404> god, i really miss the bbc
14:04 <@Shadow404> so many good programs
14:04 <@Shadow404> bbc uk, before anyone takes that another route
14:04 <@brimstone> how do you miss the bbc?
14:04 <@brimstone> it still exists
14:05 <@Dolemite> Apparently Shadow404 has no clue how to find those things on the internet, or in that place where those things go.
14:05 < RangerZ> he misses 'getting' it
14:05 < RangerZ> http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/01/08/1358206/new-oculus-rift-prototype-features-head-tracking-reduced-motion-blur-hd-amoled
14:05 < GateKeeper> Title: New Oculus Rift Prototype Features Head Tracking, Reduced Motion Blur, HD AMOLED - Slashdot (at hardware-beta.slashdot.org)
14:06 < RangerZ> am I the only one who envisions using the Occulus Rift for programming, and having virtual monitors and what not, lol
14:07 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: yeah, i dont tend to piratebay stuff
14:07 <@Shadow404> doesnt stop me from watching the downloaded files via plex or something
14:07 <@Dolemite> YET YOU WATCH THINGS FROM THAT PLACE WHERE THOSE THINGS GO
14:07 <@Shadow404> but i dont tend to do it directly
14:08 <@Shadow404> refer to comment before yours
14:08 <@Shadow404> comcast hasnt given me any trouble about plex *yet*
14:09 <@oddball> The only trouble that they've given me is the bandwidth overge charges... which is going to be fixed as of Friday afternoon.
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14:10 <@oddball> Of course, I don't download all the things like Evilpig apparently does.
14:10 <@Shadow404> i use to get notices all the time for my roommates torrent on my account
14:13 <@brimstone> oddball: did you go over your Free Usage Tier in December?
14:13 <@oddball> yep
14:14 <@brimstone> does your account now say 0 out of 3 available months?
14:14 <@oddball> yep
14:14 <@brimstone> huh
14:14 <@brimstone> i wonder why not 1 out of 4
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14:17 <@oddball> I thought it was still 3.
14:17 <@brimstone> first it said 0/4 in december
14:18 <@oddball> Honestly, I haven't looked at the current bill (Naienko handles it), but I know we went over several times last year.
14:18 <@brimstone> then i went over and it said 1/4
14:18 <@brimstone> now it says 0/3
14:18 <@Evilpig> oddball: you envy me with the downloading of all the things
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14:20 <@oddball> So... we're getting a business class account.  We'll lose a little bit in bandwidth, but getting rid of the cap will save us roughly $50 a month.
14:20 <@brimstone> yikes
14:21 <@oddball> Yeah... when we saw that, it was a no brainer.
14:21 <@brimstone> we're going to switch to business class next month
14:22 <@brimstone> double the bill and no TV channels at all, but same bandwidth and the bill is predictable
14:22 <@oddball> double the bill?
14:22 <@brimstone> yeah, for the same bandwidth
14:23 <@brimstone> we're paying ~$65 for 50/10 now
14:23 <@brimstone> gonna be $110 for 50/10 business
14:23 <@oddball> Ah, thought the 50/10 was more than that.
14:23 <@brimstone> there's some special 12mo discount or something
14:23 <@brimstone> so my bill's going to go up regardless
14:24 <@oddball> We're currently paying $59 for the 20/5 + overages, and it's... $59 for 16/3.
14:24 <@oddball> ah, gotcha
14:24 <@Dolemite> Damn, Comcast really is putting the screws to their customers
14:24 <@Evilpig> I was on that 16/3 for a long time and never had any real issues with it
14:25 <@oddball> Dolemite: Bell South is worse around here.
14:25 <@Evilpig> of course I had to fight with them to get the signal straightened out so I could get decent speed, then I had modem issues...
14:25 <@brimstone> what does U-Verse do when you cross that 250GB/month barrier?
14:25 <@oddball> Just did cost comparisons for my sister (who then completely ignored my advise)
14:25 <@Dolemite> I pay $120/mo after tax for phone w/unlimited long distance, HD whole house DVR on 3 TVs with expanded+ channels, and 50/25 internet with no cap.
14:25 <@brimstone> you pay for a phone
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14:27 <@Dolemite> TDS will not let you get any other services unless you get the phone
14:27 <@Dolemite> But when you get a bundle, it's basically a line item just to show you how much free stuff you're getting
14:28 <@Dolemite> But my wife has a work from home business and needs a landline, anyway, so we write that off on our taxes as a business expense
14:28 <@brimstone> who's TDS?
14:28 <@oddball> Oh, that's assuming you can get ATT out to actually install Uverse.  I just had a family member give up and go to Comcast because ATT was giving them the run around to fucking set up the service.
14:28 <@Dolemite> My provider
14:29 <@oddball> Including a couple times of telling them "oh, I'm sorry, we're currently switching software and can't set up appointments.  Call back tomorrow."
14:29 <@Dolemite> TDS is based out of Wisconsin and is the parent corporation of US Cellular.  They mainly bought franchise rights in smaller cities and now offer fiber-to-the-home service.
14:29 <@brimstone> oddball: maybe it is only 3 months over
14:30 <@brimstone> it says i'm 1 for 3 now
14:30 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: any idea what the fuck NMS24 .vce files are
14:30 < Synx|hm> more specifically how to convert from wave to them
14:30 <@Corydon76-work> Nope
14:30 < Synx|hm> k
14:30 < Synx|hm> spanks
14:31 <@Corydon76-work> I suspect vce stands for voice, although I'm not aware of the format
14:31 <@Corydon76-work> Don't be surprised if it's proprietary.
14:31 <@Corydon76-work> A huge amount of the crap in the past in the telephony space has been proprietary
14:31 < Synx|hm> ya the format itself doesn't put any meta data or headers to describe anything about its format sampling rate etc
14:32 <@Corydon76-work> http://file.org/extension/vce
14:32 < GateKeeper> Title: VCE File - What is it and how do I open it? (at file.org)
14:33 <@Corydon76-work> Another explanation:  http://filext.com/file-extension/VCE
14:33 < GateKeeper> Title: File Extension .VCE Details (at filext.com)
14:35 < RangerZ> i can get Uverse... and AT&T keeps trying to sell it to me
14:35 < RangerZ> 756 kbps down... and up
14:35 < RangerZ> I actually laughed in the sales rep's ear
14:35 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: add a clause to your contract that since the sales guy says it's fiber, they have to actually deliver fiber to your address.
14:35 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: dialogic has some tool vceinfo and vcecopy from what i can gather on the nmscommunication forms but it looks like its not freely available and released as part of some tool/appliance they sell
14:36 <@Corydon76-work> lol, yep
14:36 <@Corydon76-work> Dialogic sells boards that starts in the tens of thousands of dollars range
14:37 <@Corydon76-work> Digium basically ate their lunch when they came out with less expensive T1 boards
14:37 <@Corydon76-work> I actually know a former Dialogic engineer.  I don't know if he's able to provide any info about it, but I can check.
14:37 < Synx|hm> nice, oh ya thats where i remember dialogic from we use their t1 boards in our TDM based call generation platforms
14:38 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: you would be my hero if you asked him about vcecopy, or some way to get into and out of this format
14:38 <@Evilpig> if someone called me up to sell me fiber service and told me half a T1 and had the audacity to call it high speed that person should get mocked
14:39 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: is Uverse just AT&T's name for "highspeed internet" or does it imply actual fiber to the home?
14:39 < Synx|hm> if the latter why the fuck would they be offereing 756Kbps???
14:39 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: yeah, but legislatively, anything at 128k or above can be legally called high-speed Internet.
14:39 < Synx|hm> holy shit really, ISDN is high-speed internet... FML
14:40 <@brimstone> Synx|hm: bingo
14:40 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: it's fiber network to the node, but they deliver copper to the premise
14:40 < RangerZ> there have been discussions of making the min. for 'high speed' be 5mbps
14:40 < Synx|hm> is it DSL tech when it hits the copper circuit?
14:40 <@Corydon76-work> and the legal definition of high speed Internet is why you have to be careful about services which promise it
14:41 < RangerZ> but fucking verizon/comcrap/att/et al. fucking cried a river
14:41 < Synx|hm> i wonder are there legal requirements for latency when describing highspeed
14:41 < RangerZ> no
14:41 <@Corydon76-work> Nope, satellite can be consider high-speed, as well
14:41 <@brimstone> probably no latency requirement
14:42 < RangerZ> FTC and FCC have both looked into regulating it... but the GOP doesn't want them to
14:42 < Synx|hm> so i could be a highspeed internet provider, give you wifi access to a non WAN connected node, then manually transcribe all transactions with horrible latency and still be legal?
14:42 < RangerZ> and the legal mandates for regulation, aren't 100% bullet proof
14:42 < Synx|hm> i guess thats the extreme of the concept
14:42 <@Corydon76-work> We dealt with this back in the early USB days.  Remember "full speed USB"?
14:43 <@Corydon76-work> Full speed wasn't high-speed.
14:43 <@Corydon76-work> and yet, many consumers were fooled by it
14:44 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: I doubt Comcast would have a problem with them saying high speed is 5mbps now
14:44 <@Corydon76-work> Only AT&T
14:44 < RangerZ> it also required no QoS filtering
14:44 < RangerZ> thats what they hated
14:45 < RangerZ> IIRC it had bipartisan support/hate
14:45 < RangerZ> which means it was probably a really good/bad bill
14:45 < RangerZ> this one happened to be good
14:45 < RangerZ> lol
14:45 <@Corydon76-work> What I find most humorous about QoS filtering is that it costs as much money to put in controls to do QoS as it would to increase the overall speed of every link by a factor of 10.
14:46 < RangerZ> i swear... i wish I could sue comcast, but AFAIK, we're not legally allowed to anymore
14:46 <@Corydon76-work> Sue them for what, though?
14:46 < Synx|hm> what are the limits of DSL btw? speed wise?
14:46 < RangerZ> 1.5/1.5 i thought
14:47 <@Corydon76-work> 3.0, last I checked
14:47 < Synx|hm> really? i swear i had at least 10mbit dsl service with AT&T a while back
14:47 <@Corydon76-work> But rarely symmetric, usually asymmetric
14:47 < Synx|hm> that was years ago though so maybe it was 3.0 down only
14:47 < RangerZ> thats the issue, Corydon76-work, they aren't 'breaking' a law, that I'm aware of,
14:47 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: only in big cities, where they actually have to compete
14:48 < Synx|hm> oh so the tech itself can go much faster?
14:48 <@Corydon76-work> And those limits higher than 3.0mbps usually meant you were restricted to a VERY small area around the CO
14:48 < Synx|hm> or are they simply adding pairs of copper to achieve higher speeds
14:48 <@Corydon76-work> You can get 10 Gigabit Internet now, if you're willing to pay for it
14:49 <@Corydon76-work> but that requires fiber to the premise
14:49 <@Corydon76-work> Also, it's not available in every city; you may have to wait 6 months or more for it to be built out
14:50 < Synx|hm> right right maybe some day ill sell a kidney and actually get good home connectivity like you could pay $20/month for in the EU
14:50 <@Corydon76-work> and anything over 55Mbps asymmetric (Comcast's highest offering) usually requires a hefty installation fee, along with a 3-year contract
14:51 <@Corydon76-work> Selling a kidney would only net you enough for the installation fee
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14:51 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: thats terrible, i live in fucktown Shreveport and can get 108Mbit service from Suddenlink (cable)
14:52 < Synx|hm> but i think they have fiber built out to the nodes then coax to the individual houses
14:52 <@Corydon76-work> I think that's actually 54mbps symmetric
14:52 < Synx|hm> no contract, only thing special is for above 50Mbit they have to send a tech to measure impediance on your inhouse coax
14:52 <@Corydon76-work> Why they think they can double the number because it's symmetric is beyond me
14:53 < Synx|hm> but ive stated this before they think its fucking ok to do 108 paired with 5Mbit up
14:53 < Synx|hm> *facepalm*
14:53 <@Corydon76-work> You actually have 108 down?
14:53 <@Corydon76-work> Like, benchmarked?
14:54 < Synx|hm> no i didn't feel like paying the extra $40 for that, im on 50
14:54 < Synx|hm> and yes i almost always get 50 down
14:54 < Synx|hm> tested from usenet downloads
14:54 < RangerZ> 50 Mbps or MBps ?
14:55 < Synx|hm> oh yes sorry Mbps
14:55 < RangerZ> ahh ok
14:55 < Synx|hm> ya haha i wish MB :(
14:55 < RangerZ> yeah i get 52mbps down from comcast too
14:56 < RangerZ> 6.5 MBps on any good download
14:56 < Synx|hm> you have to think though its going to get much better soon, when people can get 30Mbps+ from their LTE service they are going to start bitching when they have to pay another $50+ a month from a cable/phone provider for shittier access
14:56 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: same i hover from around 5.5-6.5ish MBps on most days
14:56 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, but the LTE service typically has a much lower monthly cap before they throttle you
14:57 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: actually ~1% of 18 to 35 year olds cut the cord to use only wirelss internet last year ... or so
14:57 < Synx|hm> true true
14:57 < Synx|hm> Sprint... except now i believe they put a cap on their usage if you tether
14:57 < Synx|hm> and god forbit you go into a NON LTE area while on Sprint service
14:58 < Synx|hm> s/forbit/forbid
14:58 <@Corydon76-work> If I knew I could get Clearwire reliably here, I might switch to it
14:58 < Synx|hm> man my dad lives way up in the mountains with no dsl/cable service...
14:58 < RangerZ> yeah... screw that, lol
14:58 < Synx|hm> for about a year he has this awesome WiMax service that was fast and reliable but the company went under
14:59 <@opticron> I bought my dad a verizon gnex for tethering since he has a grandfathered unlimited data plan
14:59 < Synx|hm> now hes stuck on half a bar of att edge type service fuck that
14:59 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, looks like Clearwire is no longer a going concern
14:59 <@opticron> he now uses that out in the middle of nowhere and it's 2x+ better than any landline he could get
14:59 < Synx|hm> VZ does happen to have LTE up there and its about 1-2Mbits but he's on ATT so no way to get back to VZ on unlimited
15:00 < Synx|hm> i had a wimax phone on sprint before they dumped it for LTE
15:00 < Synx|hm> service was good in and around dallas and other big cities
15:00 < Synx|hm> just not a good plan for wide deployment i dont think
15:00 < Synx|hm> are any carriers doing VoLTE yet?
15:00 <@opticron> not that I've heard of
15:01 <@opticron> the padfone x has VoLTE support, though, so AT&T might have it soonish
15:01 < Synx|hm> im surprised no carriers went directly to it, it makes way more sense in the long run
15:02 < Synx|hm> Sprint is talking about some new gigabit lte setup, but we all know how sprint likes to do their deployments
15:02 < Synx|hm> announce it, launch in one location only until 5 years later, and never update the backhaul in later deployments
15:03 < Synx|hm> then 2 weeks later abandon it for something new
15:03 <@opticron> I think metropcs had VoLTE before t-mo bought them
15:03 < Synx|hm> is ATT on LTE? or HSPA+?
15:03 <@opticron> both
15:04 < Synx|hm> t-mo HSPA+ only though right?
15:04 <@opticron> nope
15:04 <@opticron> t-mo LTE is a lot of places now
15:04 < Synx|hm> oh cool
15:04 <@opticron> 200+ cities, iirc
15:04 < RangerZ> i'm curious if Sprint will be allowed to buy T-Mobile
15:04 < Synx|hm> i really like t-mo as a carrier, just dont live in a big enough city to get decient coverage from them
15:05 <@brimstone> be allowed?
15:05 <@brimstone> t-mo's great in atlanta
15:05 <@opticron> t-mo is great in hsv as well
15:05 <@brimstone> just don't go outside 285
15:05 < RangerZ> FTC decides issues like that
15:05 <@opticron> I REALLY don't want sprint to buy t-mo
15:05 < RangerZ> and FCC has stopping power IIRC
15:06 <@opticron> it seems like sprint likes to half-ass things
15:06 <@oddball> RangerZ: I doubt the FTC would allow that.
15:06 < RangerZ> the german telecom isn't happy that tMo is 4th largest
15:06 < RangerZ> they don't care if Tmo is making money or not... its a 4th place thing
15:06 <@opticron> looks like t-mo has LTE in around 250 cities atm covering around 205 million people
15:06 < RangerZ> silly to me... but ehh
15:07 < RangerZ> tmobile's "we'll buy out your other company's fee for leaving, now for your entire family" is a great move IMHO
15:07 < Synx|hm> I really really really dislike Sprints contracts, any changes even getting on a discount require a 2 year extension
15:08 < Synx|hm> but if you happen to have LTE they have unlimited data no cap and ok prices
15:08 < RangerZ> I have virgin mobile, sprint network, but actually good deals for contract... none
15:08 < Synx|hm> but their 3g/1x network is so overloaded with resellers its unsable
15:08 <@opticron> yep
15:08 <@opticron> sprint is crap in hsv
15:08 < Synx|hm> ting
15:10 < Synx|hm> sorry whats hsv? not familiar with that locatoin
15:10 <@Evilpig> huntsville
15:11 < RangerZ> honestly its pretty crap in nashville
15:11 < RangerZ> i only get 4g downtown
15:11 <@opticron> as in HSPA+?
15:11 < nachoguy> t-mo is great
15:12 < nachoguy> I'm happy I switched
15:13 < RangerZ> no clue what HSPA+ is
15:13 < RangerZ> I don't follow cell phone radio tech
15:13 <@brimstone> faster than "3G" but not 4th generation cellular data
15:13 <@brimstone> and not as fast/new as LTE
15:13 < RangerZ> no clue, i guess
15:13 <@brimstone> HSPA+ is the "we're 4G too" from t-mobile
15:14 <@brimstone> or maybe all GSM providers
15:14 <@brimstone> but i don't think AT&T folled with it
15:14 <@brimstone> *fooled
15:14 <@brimstone> double leeters perplex me
15:15 <@Corydon76-work> brimstone: _all_ of the cellphone providers fooled with the 4G definition, which is why the ITU redefined 4G to fit in with the industry definition, to avoid conflicting
15:16 <@Corydon76-work> Or to maintain relevance, depending upon how cynical you are
15:16 < RangerZ> honestly, I just want a cell phone that works on all the carriers
15:16 < RangerZ> if I don't have that... then there isn't enough competition
15:16 <@brimstone> RangerZ: then get a World Phone from verizon
15:16 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Wait... there's a definition for 4G that actually fits what all the carriers are calling 4g?
15:17 < RangerZ> I don't really have the money to spend on a new phone
15:17 <@opticron> RangerZ, the N5 works on AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint (along with other minor GSM carriers and sprint rebrands)
15:17 <@brimstone> oddball: yeah, but the definition came about AFTER the carriers called it 4G
15:17 < RangerZ> The one I have will probabbly last me a few more years, depsite it being ~3 years old now too
15:17 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: Yep, because prior to the definition change, ALL of them failed to comply with the ITU's definition
15:17 <@brimstone> the ITU wussed out and changed it
15:18 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: I knew that... I thought the definition they were using were significantly different from each other.
15:18 <@Corydon76-work> When it became clear that the carriers were using "4G" in all of their marketing anyway, the ITU changed the definition
15:19 <@Corydon76-work> My understanding of it is that it's defined in such a way as to validate speed, not technology.
15:19 <@oddball> RangerZ: I think you can get a phone that works on all carriers... just not from any of the carriers.
15:19 < RangerZ> oddball: it was more of a rhetorical statement, than a real need
15:19 <@oddball> gotcha.
15:19 < RangerZ> my phone is sufficient for now
15:19 < RangerZ> HTC Evo "4g"
15:20 < RangerZ> w/e the fuck that means now a days, from the previous statement
15:20 <@Corydon76-work> All of the carriers were otherwise qualifying as "3.5G" which wasn't an official definition, just something that denoted that it was better than baseline 3G, but not quite good enough to qualify for 4G status
15:20 <@oddball> Hell, if you don't mind ordering one from Asia, you can get a phone with 4 SIM card slots.
15:20 < RangerZ> lol
15:21 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, did the CDMA carriers finally give in and start using SIM cards?
15:21 <@oddball> Sort of.
15:22 <@brimstone> for the LTE bits i thought?
15:22 < RangerZ> ohh yeah... the OTA sim card updating... such a good idea... not...
15:22 < RangerZ> I can't wait for the first big hack of that to get into the wild
15:22 <@brimstone> weren't they broken last year or so?
15:28 < RangerZ> not sure
15:29 < RangerZ> pretty much any RSA algorithm is going to be shit within 5~10 years
15:29 < RangerZ> I need to look more into Elliptic Curve
15:29 < RangerZ> to see
15:29 < RangerZ> how that will stand up
15:31 < RangerZ> ahh, it looks like its based off of finding discrete logarithms, not prime number factorization
15:34 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: hasn't that algorithm been considered not definitively proven just yet?
15:35 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: Steve Gibson is all about Elliptic Curve
15:36 <@Dolemite> So reading the scrollback...   Sprint is *not* offering to buy T-Mobile.  The company that bought Sprint is offering to buy T-Mobile.  There's a bit of a difference.
15:36 < RangerZ> apparently EC is vulnerable to quantum computing attacks too... just different ones than prime number factorization
15:37 <@Corydon76-work> Dolemite: I find their suggested purchase price to be more than just a bit insulting
15:37 <@Corydon76-work> Less than half of what AT&T suggested was a good purchase price
15:38 < Synx|hm> i should note that i rather enjoy the "Security Now" netcast with Steve and Leo, they are both terribly annoying
15:38 < Synx|hm> Steve seems to think he is the inventor or everything great in the world
15:38 < Synx|hm> and Leo loves to hear himself talk
15:39 < Synx|hm> and now that i just injected complete randomness into this discussion im out
15:39 <@Corydon76-work> Duh.  You don't get to be a talking head unless you like to talk
15:39 < Synx|hm> yes yes
15:40 <@Corydon76-work> It's why Flush Rush is such a satisfying movement
15:42 < RangerZ> I prefer calling my old local NPR station, and tellng the to stop carrying rush, and to instead buy more NPR, else I won't donate
15:43 < RangerZ> I don't tell them that I'd only donate 20$ either way, but still
15:43 < RangerZ> its a univ. station, so they buy a little bit from different places, thankfully rush's show started to cost too much, so they dropped it
15:43 < RangerZ> for classical music
15:43 <@oddball> Wait... there's an NPR station that's carrying Rush Limbaugh?
15:44 < RangerZ> it wasn't 'just' NPR, it was a hodge podge of everything
15:44 <@oddball> ah, ok
15:44 < RangerZ> conservative in the day, NRP at night
15:44 <@Corydon76-work> He's from Ohio.  I'm sure the devil himself is broadcasting there (and is eager to get out).
15:44 < RangerZ> to go down to GA
15:44 < RangerZ> and classical on the weekends
15:45 <@Corydon76-work> I mean, just look at RangerZ.  He came to _Nashville_ of all places to _escape_ ignorance.
15:45 < RangerZ> nah. i came here b/c of the obscene amount of money vandy pays for grad students
15:46 < RangerZ> usually its tuition + 10k for living expenses
15:46 < RangerZ> vandy says 'fuck that', lol
15:46 < RangerZ> and pays ~2.5x that
15:46 < RangerZ> depending on funding source, etc
15:47 < RangerZ> so its a 'livable' wage, not really banking any money each month, but I can sustain myself
15:47 <@Corydon76-work> So how's your funding doing these days?
15:47 < RangerZ> friend had to drop out of univ. of pitt. b/c he couldn't afford to take care of his daughter on only 9.5k
15:48 < RangerZ> got funding, 'fired' as of 1/1  and now 'rehired 'starting on 1/1''
15:48 < RangerZ> b/c of different funding source
15:48 <@Corydon76-work> There is something to be said for paying poverty wages to poli sci grad students.
15:49 < RangerZ> get them used to it?
15:49 < RangerZ> lol
15:49 <@Corydon76-work> You probably will get a lot less "let the free market handle it" theses and more "raise the minimum wage" theses
15:50 < RangerZ> problem is that it isn't "wage"
15:50 < RangerZ> it is stipend
15:50 < RangerZ> technically you aren't being paid for services provided
15:50 < RangerZ> just that it 'really' works out to that, lol
15:51 <@Corydon76-work> Doesn't matter.  People don't write papers extolling the virtues of the free market when they're struggling to keep the heat on
15:52 < RangerZ> yeah
15:52 < RangerZ> i dunno
15:53 < RangerZ> I've been thinking a lot about that lately
15:54 < RangerZ> and... it sucks either way, b/c if you do like switzerland, you give conservatives the ability to argue that people no longer need ANY other form of assistance
15:54 <@Corydon76-work> That's what I find most ironic about conservative thinktanks:  they depend upon the charity that they seek to withdraw from others.
15:55 < RangerZ> they are ALL about welfare
15:55 < RangerZ> corp. welfare
15:55 < RangerZ> stop giving oil companies billions in gov't dollars
15:55 <@rattle> A lot of the folks I worked with had some wealth in their background that allowed them to pursue the non-profit stuff..
15:55 <@rattle> On both sides..
15:56 < Synx|hm> actually i dont know why i didn't think to ask this here, wife and i are looking to move to Nashville soon
15:56 < Synx|hm> good or bad idea?
15:56 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, what called "spending in the tax code", because it means that the money never actually shows up on the government balance sheet, which means nobody sees the massive amounts of money flowing to corporations.
15:56 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: from?
15:56 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: and for what?
15:56 <@Mirage> Synx|hm: do you like music, culture, and/or straight roads that keep the same name for more than a mile or so?
15:57 < Synx|hm> from Shreveport, LA
15:57 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: if you have a job lined up, sure.
15:57 < Synx|hm> i hate shreveport
15:57 < Synx|hm> i miss at least some form of mountains/hills
15:57 < RangerZ> if you got a job, then sure
15:57 < Synx|hm> i love music, just hate country music
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15:57 < RangerZ> don't worry, there is no music here
15:57 < Synx|hm> i have a job that doesn't care where i live
15:57 < RangerZ> no _good_ music
15:57 < Synx|hm> options are Dallas, or Nashville i think
15:57 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: check the cost of life matrix
15:58 <@Corydon76-work> Between those two choices, I'd go with Nashville
15:58 < RangerZ> nashville
15:58 < RangerZ> dallas took a BIG hit after hurricane katrina
15:58 <@Corydon76-work> Nashville has traffic congestion, but it's nothing compared to Dallas
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15:58 <@Mirage> Synx|hm: FWIW, I like Dallas waaaaaaaaaay better than Nashville.
15:59 < RangerZ> all the people moved out of NO after katrina, were shipped to dallas, and it made their crime rate jump, etc
15:59 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: Also, Tennessee has no state income tax.  Consider that in your move.
15:59 <@Mirage> The tech market seems to be a lot stronger here in Dallas than in Nashville
15:59 < Synx|hm> oh i did not know that
15:59 < Synx|hm> is property tax high
15:59 < RangerZ> Austin is really good for tech, not dallas from what I hear
15:59 <@Mirage> TX doesn't have a state income tax eitehr
15:59 < Synx|hm> TX also doesn't have state income but property tax is nuts
15:59 <@Corydon76-work> It went down in the last year here
15:59 < Synx|hm> Austin was the original plan, but we have a 5month old and no family in Austin
15:59 <@rattle> Having lived in DC, I find it really amusing when people say Nashville has traffic...
16:00 < RangerZ> Dallas has a pretty crappy tech area, from what I hear, I have a couple friends living there, they are looking to move
16:00 <@Corydon76-work> I used to pay $1200 for my $100k house, now I pay $1k
16:00 < Synx|hm> also part of this terrible plan is i have to drive/fly/whatever back to shreveport at least 1 time per month for a weekend
16:00 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: for your National Guard unit?
16:00 <@Mirage> rattle: Nashville traffic is a nightmare compared to Dallas traffic.  I'm sure it's mainly because the Nashville road system is (at best) 10 years behind
16:01 < RangerZ> nashville has no road planning, thats the problem
16:01 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage: your highways are what, 14 lanes across?
16:01 <@Corydon76-work> (and I'm not even exaggerating)
16:02 < RangerZ> nashville isn't too bad once you learn how to navigate, the problem is that "you can't get there from here" without circling nashville seems to be the motto they went for
16:02 < shadowmoss> Mirage:  HERE in Dallas?
16:02 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: I drive 22 miles to work on a 3-lane (per side) highway..it takes less time on avg than it took driving 8 miles in Nashville driving on I-65 or I-24
16:02 <@Corydon76-work> shadowmoss: yeah, he moved
16:02 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Surface roads man
16:02 <@Mirage> shadowmoss: you caught that, huh?
16:02 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: if you had a choice of Texas, I'd go with Austin or Houston, but not Dallas
16:03 <@Corydon76-work> Texas cities, rather
16:03 <@rattle> Austin is pretty cool.
16:03 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: I agree with Corydon76-work
16:03 < RangerZ> Austin has Google fiber
16:03 < RangerZ> lol
16:03 <@Mirage> If you like hot and sultry weather, go for Houston.
16:03 < shadowmoss> Dang, I stay away 5 years and y'all go making changes on me
16:03 < shadowmoss> So, Mirage, I'll ask you the same questions, married?  divorced? kids?
16:03 < RangerZ> but honestly, nashville isn't too bad it is the "metropollatin(fuck spelling that right) city of the south"
16:04 <@Mirage> shadowmoss: yes, no, hahahahahahaha
16:04 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: Nashville. The cost of living is one of the lowest in the nation, it's got a small town friendly atmosphere but with the culture of a much larger city.
16:04 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: austin has or is getting?
16:04 < RangerZ> both
16:04 < RangerZ> parts of it have it, and they are installing it still
16:05 < Synx|hm> i just dont really like dallas too much distance and traffic
16:05 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: There's plenty of music besides country. PLENTY. And of very high quality, too.
16:05 < Synx|hm> i lived in cali for a long time and i do not enjoy the traffic at all
16:05 <@Corydon76-work> Between Austin and Nashville, in terms of culture, it's a toss-up
16:05 < Synx|hm> though i work from home so its a non issue
16:05 < Synx|hm> i think Austin wins for music alone, but i want to be around family
16:05 < Synx|hm> and my sis lives in Nashville
16:05 <@Mirage> Austin is or at least used to be one of the top 5 "party" towns.  I had 3 friends that all got kicked out of college there due to excessive partying
16:05 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: The tech and entrepreneurial scenes are very hot right now, too.
16:05 < Synx|hm> while my all of my wifes family lives in Dallas
16:05 <@Corydon76-work> New Orleans has always been the #1 party town
16:06 < Synx|hm> i dont want a party town and nolo smells like ass
16:06 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: the stat is "2/3 of all americans live within 500 miles of Nashville"
16:06 < RangerZ> it is very geographically centrally located
16:06 <@Mirage> RangerZ: That's because nashville is a black hole.
16:06 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ: it's not that good.  It's more than 50% with 600 miles
16:07 <@Corydon76-work> but it's definitely a reason to locate a warehouse here
16:07 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm: If you have the ability to work from home, then you don't have to worry about the traffic factor, at least.  That was one of my biggest reasons for leaving Nashville.
16:07 <@Corydon76-work> Reno is the other place to locate a warehouse
16:08 < RangerZ> and NE Ohio (b/c of I80)
16:08 <@anarchival> Unfortunately Nashville was built on the premise of public transit (trolley cars). Then the trolley cars went away, and the buses never replaced it.
16:08 <@Mirage> And now Dolemite has to worry about tractors and livestock hindering his commute
16:08 <@anarchival> So until we improve our public transit, the traffic is going to be silly.
16:08 <@Evilpig> and experimental weaponry that we aren't supposed to talk about
16:08 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Nah.  Golf carts and school buses.
16:09 <@Evilpig> and death rays
16:09 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: That stuff never crosses the road...  er, I mean, I have no idea what you are talking about
16:09 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: Honestly, as an outsider, Nashville isn't too bad, especially if you don't have a daily commute. Its reasonably priced, the assholes in this channel are mostly there, if you have family, thats a good bonus
16:09 < RangerZ> lol
16:09 <@anarchival> I don't know what it's like in comparison to Dallas, though. I've only had a couple friends move to Dallas, and they both said they like Nashville better.
16:09 <@Corydon76-work> Not death rays.  Just small plumes of radioactive gas
16:09 <@Dolemite> Irradiated goose poop
16:09 <@rattle> In general, Middle Tennessee isn't a bad area.
16:10 <@rattle> It's a nice mixture of cheap w/o being a shithole.
16:10 <@Dolemite> And it's pretty easy to get to larger cities from there
16:10 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: Stars or Predators? Come on, it's barely even a choice.
16:10 < RangerZ> those are hockey teams, BTW
16:10 < RangerZ> if you didn't know
16:10 < RangerZ> and we have female roller derby here
16:11 < RangerZ> lol
16:11 <@anarchival> RangerZ: Considering Synx|hm helped me out with viewing NHL games online, I bet they know.
16:11 < Synx|hm> anarchival: give me a break... BlackHawks
16:11 <@anarchival> We do have one of the best roller derby teams in the nation. They're even bringing the Nationals here on Halloween weekend this year.
16:11 <@oddball> anarchival: I just wish the Preds were still in the same division as the Wings.
16:11 < Synx|hm> i grew up in Chicago
16:12 <@Corydon76-work> It would be nice, though, if sometime Nashville got a professional football team.
16:12 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: Yikes. That's almost as bad as being a RW fan. ;)
16:12 <@oddball> anarchival: Hey!
16:12  * oddball is from Detroit.
16:12 < RangerZ> Phantoms Personally... but that is minor league
16:12  * RangerZ comforts oddball
16:13 <@anarchival> oddball: One-third of Nashville is from Detroit. If it weren't for all you Yankees fleeing South, we wouldn't even have hockey.
16:13 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: Oh, so that's why you're so good at drinking...
16:13 <@oddball> hehe.... this is true.
16:13 <@Dolemite> Yeah, well, Knoxville has lots of minor league teams.  Arena football, ice hockey, and college football.  heh.
16:13 <@Evilpig> I fled north
16:13 < RangerZ> alrighty... I've worked 4 hours straight... I think i've done enough for the day -_-
16:13 <@Mirage> RangerZ: Damn...pace yourself..
16:13  * RangerZ sadly... I'm just tired of sittin in this new office... gonna go get food and work from home, lol
16:13 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Well, I'm also a quarter Croatian... :p
16:14 < RangerZ> Mirage: thats one of the nice things about CS research, googling from home counts, lol
16:14 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: yeah, yeah.  Only thing that could possibly make you a better drinker would be being from Cleveland
16:14 <@oddball> ha!
16:14 < RangerZ> Corydon76-work: fuck you
16:14 < RangerZ> lol
16:15 < RangerZ> for saying the truth...
16:15 <@Corydon76-work> lol
16:15 <@rattle> I hate Cleveland with the burning fire of a thousand suns.
16:15 < RangerZ> rattle: why?
16:15 < RangerZ> lol
16:15 <@Evilpig> they killed his dog
16:15 < RangerZ> i thought his ex lived there
16:15 <@Dolemite> Cleveland.  The city between two breasts.
16:15 <@rattle> Every time I've ever been in Cleveland, something horrible has happened.  That place has a vortex of pure evil underneath it or something.
16:16 < RangerZ> rattle: it is centered on browns stadium
16:16 <@rattle> And it's basically a shithole.
16:16 <@Dolemite> They had a pretty good art museum the last time I went htere.
16:16 <@Corydon76-work> Dolemite: so did Detroit
16:16 <@oddball> anarchival: Yeah... My dad and I had season tickets to the Preds the first few seasons (before he moved back up north).  It was funny to see how many of the regular fans would show up in red when Detroit was in town.
16:17 <@rattle> My favorite US cities continue to be New York, San Francisco, DC, and Boston.  I'll happily live in any of them.
16:17 <@rattle> Granted I'm in the Boston burbs..  Still adjusting to being in suburbia again?  Last time was when I was in Nashville.
16:18 <@Dolemite> ooOOoo.  Someone from the Quantum Information Science group is wanting to house some fancy new test equipment in one of my labs.
16:18 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8
16:18 < GateKeeper> Title: The Factory Of Sadness (A Cleveland Browns Fans Reaction To Todays Game Against Houston) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:18 <@oddball> Oh, thought you were still in DC.
16:18 <@Dolemite> rattle : Which 'burb?
16:18 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: Tell them 'It's a strong maybe'.
16:18 <@rattle> Working in Waltham, living in Acton.
16:18 < RangerZ> alrighty later
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16:20 <@anarchival> oddball: I believe those are called "Predwings" fans.
16:20 <@oddball> heh... I hadn't heard that term before.
16:20 <@rattle> Miami would be totally awesome if it wasn't for Florida weather.  It's an awesome place to visit, in the winter..
16:20 <@Dolemite> I generally know where those are.  Used to go up to the Sun office in Burlington quite a bit
16:20 <@oddball> Mostly, I've heard them called "traitors."
16:20 <@anarchival> Boston is one of the few cities I'd leave Nashville for, the other being London. SF is fun to visit.
16:21 <@rattle> SF is really great to live in..  But it's hard to find work that doesn't involve commuting to the valley, which basically sucks.
16:21 <@anarchival> oddball: Well sure, that's what I *really* think of them.
16:22 <@rattle> As much as I love it, I doubt I'll wind up working in SF again.  I've always been a bit too "east coast" to be fully accepted there...
16:22 <@Corydon76-work> Only thing that is going to have me leave Nashville is moving to one of the counties just outside the city, I think
16:22 <@Dolemite> ok, time to head out
16:22 <@Dolemite> later, kids
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16:22 <@Corydon76-work> Just far enough to have a big yard, not far enough to lose Internet connectivity
16:23 <@rattle> So, Brentwood.
16:23 <@Corydon76-work> I was thinking Wilson county, or possibly Fairview
16:24 <@Corydon76-work> Maybe even the southern tip of Robertson county
16:24 <@Corydon76-work> Brentwood is hella expensive
16:25 <@rattle> nod
16:25 <@Corydon76-work> and for all of their supposedly conservative views, they STILL want to tell you what you can and cannot do with your land
16:25 <@Corydon76-work> Same for Franklin
16:26 <@rattle> A lot of Nashville communities are fascist and hypocritical in that regard.
16:26 <@Corydon76-work> The way my anxiety and paranoia is headed, in 10 years, you're probably going to find me answering the door with the tip of a shotgun barrel
16:26 <@Dagmar> Well, tjat's becuse they're rich and it's their job to tell everyone else what to do
16:26 <@anarchival> It is kind of strange how libertarian they are, except for zoning and codes. BRICK ALL THE THINGS.
16:27 < Synx|hm> anarchival: Boston is awesome but traffic in the city blows, i spent 2 months live there at the begining of the year
16:27  * shadowmoss glomps rattle
16:27 <@anarchival> rattle: At least we can have chickens now, in some districts.
16:27 <@Corydon76-work> Not yet in my district
16:27 < Synx|hm> so ive been on a conf call this time and missing a bit of this, are the property taxes insane there?
16:27 <@Dagmar> Looks like you'll have to settle for shaking the snake
16:27 <@Corydon76-work> That's another reason to move outside of Nashville proper
16:28 <@rattle> FUCK THE POWER, CLUCK THE MUTHERFUCKA!
16:28 < Synx|hm> also i wouldnt live in the city, likey antioch (sp?) spelling
16:28 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: Yeah when I was there I just took transit everywhere. It felt like living in a future century in comparison to here.
16:28 < Synx|hm> i love this history there, and how easy it is to walk around the city
16:28 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: property taxes are the lowest of any other city its size
16:29 <@rattle> The streets in Boston are downright insane.
16:29 < Synx|hm> on and maine is beautiful, drove up to freeport and stopped at a bunch of lighthouses on the way
16:29 <@Corydon76-work> If I could buy the field at the end of my street and plant thick enough trees to obscure the view of my house from the street, that would be ideal
16:29 <@rattle> It's really easy to make a wrong turn and be completely screwed..
16:29  * shadowmoss wonders if rattle is ignoring her
16:29 <@rattle> shadowmoss: Nope.  Glomp detected.  :)
16:29 < Synx|hm> so if no state income tax and low property tax how do they get their money, is sales take 15+%?
16:29 <@Corydon76-work> Bonus if the trees yield edible fruit
16:30 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: 9.25% in Nashville
16:30 < Synx|hm> how do they get their money then?
16:30 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: 9.25% so yes pretty ridiculous
16:30 < Synx|hm> thats not terrible
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16:30 < shadowmoss> I just sold a house there, too bad, I'd have made you a good deal
16:30 < Synx|hm> its 9.something where i live in louisiana
16:30 <@Dagmar> They do ti the old-fashioned way... taxing the poor
16:30 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: we get on with a lot less tax money than other states
16:30 < Synx|hm> but property tax is quite low
16:30 <@Dagmar> ...but it's okay because we have a fuckton of poor people to tax.
16:30 < Synx|hm> haha
16:31 <@Dagmar> Poor people don't own property, so property tax would be a bad way to go to get more tax money
16:31 < shadowmoss> nashvegas gets the sales tax from the tourists
16:31 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: this is one of the reasons our transit is so terrible, and the schools aren't great. We're not willing to pay for anything.
16:31 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, the tourist tax rates are pretty insane
16:31 < Synx|hm> oh schools not too good?
16:31 <@rattle> We're looking at places in this area..  They aren't cheap, but you get a hell of a lot more for the money than in the DC area.
16:31 <@Corydon76-work> Schools are acceptable
16:31 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: also yes, shadowmoss has a point. We tax the shit out of the tourists.
16:31 < Synx|hm> shit, ive got a soon to be 6month old to think about at some point in a few years
16:31 <@Corydon76-work> They aren't the best, nor the worst
16:32 <@rattle> Some of the DC area schools are truly top notch, but good luck buying a house in one of those districts for less than $800k..
16:32 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: There are some good schools within Davidson, especially among magnets and charters, but there are also some very terrible ones.
16:32 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: Over 75% of the kids in MNPS qualify for free or reduced lunch. Lots of white flight to private schools, frankly.
16:32 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I think the elementary schools, though, don't really have bad ones
16:33 <@oddball> shadowmoss: Oh, you finally sold that place?
16:33 < Synx|hm> who said that music sucked in nashville?
16:33 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: It really just depends on the neighborhood.
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16:33 <@Corydon76-work> The thing about our high schools is that we drain the best and the brightest out to magnets, so the leftovers are the kids who are only there because they have to be
16:33 < Synx|hm> the few times ive been it seems like a fairly "hip" city that would get quite a bit of indi music visits
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16:33 < shadowmoss> yeah, it sold about a month or so ago
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16:33 < shadowmoss> finally, to a cash buyer
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16:34 < shadowmoss> aspiring musician came to town with her bf living in a van
16:34 < shadowmoss> she had rich parents who gave her the case
16:34 <@Evilpig> was it down by the river?
16:34 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: The music scene is amazing. Anyone who tells you differently doesn't get out much.
16:34 <@oddball> heh, nice
16:34 <@Corydon76-work> shadowmoss: in other words, just in time for your job to move you back here.
16:34 < shadowmoss> probably
16:34 < shadowmoss> I'm not sure I want to come back to nashville
16:34 < shadowmoss> I'm in Phoenix
16:35 < Synx|hm> anarchival: thats that i figured, wife and i are into indie music
16:35 <@oddball> shadowmoss: Well, if you do decide to come back here, we're thinking about getting a new place and will be selling this one. :p
16:35 < shadowmoss> by way of Washington Stat and 2.5 years in Honduras
16:35 <@Corydon76-work> I liked visiting Phoenix.  I might actually enjoy living out there
16:35 <@oddball> I promise you it's in better shape than the car I sold you.
16:35 < shadowmoss> not intersted in haveing real estate again
16:35 < Synx|hm> anarchival: and i am also into the jam band hippy scene
16:35 < shadowmoss> I'll get an RV, and no, I won't buy it from you.  :)
16:36 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: i could probably swing Phoenix too, but im stuck to a radius around Shreveport :(
16:36 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: because of National Guard?
16:36 < Synx|hm> USAF Reserves, but ya basically same thing
16:36 <@Corydon76-work> Can't you transfer posts?
16:37 < Synx|hm> even nashville is giong to be a bit of a challange
16:37 < Synx|hm> not unless they start flying B-52's elsewhere :(
16:37 < shadowmoss> yeah, that area is mostly Army
16:37 < shadowmoss> and helicopters
16:37 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, yeah...
16:38 <@oddball> And I think Nashville Air Guard base just switched to drones.
16:38 < Synx|hm> if we do move to nashville i will like have to do a once evert two month try of trip and go for a week at a time
16:38 <@Corydon76-work> I wouldn't be surprised if you could land one in Nashville, though yeah...
16:38 < Synx|hm> ya id have to go back to a flight school though, and its a boarded (selection board) process to move into other flying paths
16:38 < shadowmoss> because there is so much demand for B52 pilots...
16:38 < Synx|hm> s/like/likely
16:39 <@Corydon76-work> We actually have a good flight school at MTSU, in Murfreesboro
16:39 < Synx|hm> shadowmoss: better yet B52 navigators haha, who the fuck needs a navigator now days
16:39 <@benthemeek> Eww you guys were talking about sports
16:39 <@oddball> The hell?  Eztv.it is down.
16:39 <@Corydon76-work> I don't know about the bigger planes, but they'd definitely be able to give you flight time on smaller craft
16:40 < shadowmoss> ok, I'm going for a walk, then off to sleep.  My awake hours are midnight to noon, approximately.
16:40 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: about crappy teams, yes
16:40 < Synx|hm> as a navigator in the air force i am not even qualified to service you peanuts on a delta flight
16:40 <@Corydon76-work> Teams that drive you to drink
16:40 < Synx|hm> my skillset is useless in the real world
16:40 < shadowmoss> I work 4 10s, so even though it's my days off I keep the same schedule
16:40 <@Corydon76-work> As I said earlier, it would be nice if Nashville sometime got a professional football team
16:41 <@oddball> I've also been told that UT has a good aviation school in Tullahoma... what with it being right next to Arnold AFB.
16:41 < shadowmoss> yeah, I have a military clearance, but played hell trying to get the clearance to work on federal government civilian servers
16:41 < shadowmoss> they didn't know what to do with Honduras...
16:41 <@benthemeek> I would make some comment about our evolved predisposition for groupishness and mock war yet I prefer to hang out with my group so I guess I can't say anything
16:41 < Synx|hm> that is one good thing i have going for me shadowmoss but didn't find a job that needed it :(
16:42 < shadowmoss> bad time to be a civilian military contractor
16:42 < shadowmoss> that's why I'm not private sector
16:42 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: if Huntsville is an option, they certainly have a good number of military contractors
16:42 < Synx|hm> though i did get a good job soley on the basis of having been an officer
16:42 < shadowmoss> Started looking again this week, and places that used to have screens of jobs have maybe 25 or 30 for all of IT
16:42 < shadowmoss> and I'm talking Harris Corp, Lockheed Martin, the big boys.
16:43 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: Huntsville was actually on the list when i got off active duty, i was going to go interview for a job as essentially a project manager for a contractor working on comm gear
16:43 < shadowmoss> yeah, you'd fit in Huntsville fine
16:43 < shadowmoss> s/not/now
16:43 < Synx|hm> shadowmoss: Lockheed makes the F35 in fortworth, i've got a buddy that is the lead flight test engineer for their f16 program too, but they were in hireing freeze when i got out :(
16:44 < shadowmoss> they are here in Phoenix as well.  I have a co-worker who's trying to get on with them
16:44 < shadowmoss> if he succeeds I may try to ride his coat tails
16:44 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the whole F-35 program got cut in the next year or two
16:44 < shadowmoss> my job is stupid easy, but I don't think they will keep our contract around much longer
16:45 < shadowmoss> ok, I'm off for my walk.  See youse guys tomorrow.
16:45 <@Corydon76-work> It's throwing good money after bad right now, for a plane that will likely never fly in combat
16:45 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: no way Lockheed is making a ton selling to other countries
16:46 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: I was speaking of the Pentagon, actually
16:46 < Synx|hm> i agree though the f22 is way worse, an amazingly badass plane for a fight we should never have
16:46 < Synx|hm> oh got ya
16:46 <@Shadow404> that thing is awesome to see takeoff at dobbins
16:47 <@Corydon76-work> In fact, don't be surprised if the NSA is intentionally sabotaging the planes we sell to other countries
16:47 < Synx|hm> unless we really think are going to go to war with China then the f22 is useless and will not likely see much combat ever, its too advanced to fly and give away its secrets on non near-peer countires
16:49 <@Dagmar> We need those planes to combat terrurism.
16:50 <@Corydon76-work> It's about the only jobs program we have:  massive waste to military contractors
16:50 < Synx|hm> right... :)
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17:36 <@Dagmar> Same shit, different network.
17:36 <@Dagmar> We're getting reports of network "slowness" from users all over.
17:36 <@Dagmar> ICMP tests show nothing fucking wrong.
17:36 <@Dagmar> I try to login to equipment... takes nearly a damn minute to login, latency is fine.
17:36 <@Dagmar> ls -al == slow
17:37 <@Dagmar> ls -aln == fast
17:37 <@Dagmar> openssl s_client -connect any.damn.ldap.server:636 takes 10-20 seconds to connect.
17:37 <@Dagmar> Can't get these fuckers to listen to me
17:49 <@Dagmar> I say it's a damn firewall
17:50 <@rattle> The delay at bring up the tcp connection or the tls negotiation?
17:55 <@Mirage> Dagmar: vu-ldap hosed?
17:56 <@eryc> its a tumor
17:56 <@Shadow404> waz up
17:56 <@Mirage> eryc: I see you're familiar w/ vu-ldap..=)
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18:24 <@Evilpig> Mirage: it's about to the point where you can say vu-anything in this channel and get an "its a tumor" response
18:36 <@Evilpig> anyone have a windows sandbox setup somewhere and willing ot test something for me?
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18:57 < RangerZ1> VU-IT ?
18:58 < RangerZ1> yep... causes cancer ;)
19:01 <@Evilpig> fuck!
19:01 <@Evilpig> I missed meeting orlando jones.  http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/orlando-jones-sleepy-hollow-tumblr-hq/
19:01 < GateKeeper> Title: The Daily Dot - Our Sleepy Hollow fandom party with Orlando Jones at Tumblr HQ (at www.dailydot.com)
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19:26 <@brimstone> what's an orlando jones?
19:28 <@Evilpig> comedian / actor / writer
19:28 <@Evilpig> he was on and wrote for MadTV and was in several movies like Evolution
19:28 <@Evilpig> I wanna say he was in Be kind rewind as well
19:30 <@Evilpig> apparently it was mos def in be kind rewind but he looks alot like orlando jones.  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0428963/ vs http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0080049/
19:30 < GateKeeper> Title: Orlando Jones - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
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19:54 <@anarchival> socket.io is boring when when you know Erlang.
19:59 <@brimstone> so like, 4 people think socket.io is boring
20:01 <@anarchival> brimstone: Dude. Show up for NashFP sometime. That alone is a fair few more than 4 people. :P
20:02 <@anarchival> Of course, Erlang Camp coming to Nashville back in October helped. Also, Bryan Hunter.
20:04 <@brimstone> anarchival: can you move it 4 hours lcloser?
20:04 <@brimstone> *closer?
20:04 <@brimstone> i'm not even in the same state
20:04 <@anarchival> For your edification and delight:
20:04 <@anarchival> http://www.gar1t.com/blog/erlang-the-movie-ii-the-sequel.html
20:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Erlang The Movie II: The Sequel (at www.gar1t.com)
20:05 <@brimstone> can there be a sequel?
20:05 <@anarchival> brimstone: There are usually only two in the world in any given year. Chances are, they'll have one closer to you. Eventually.
20:05 <@anarchival> brimstone: Unless you're talking about NashFP, and then no we cannot bring it closer to you, I'm sorry. :(
20:06 <@anarchival> The chat server gar1t wrote for that video is *so much better* than this socket.io shit I just saw demonstrated.
20:07 <@anarchival> But I have to make kissy-face with JS now. As opposed to standing up and shouting, "Abomination!" at it.
20:10 <@anarchival> "you can have over 1900 connections on a single socket" Psht. Child's play.
20:10 < aestetix_> penis
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20:21 < aestetix_> oh wow
20:21 < aestetix_> listening to this news story.... about the pregnant woman on life support
20:32 <@benthemeek> gah
20:32 <@benthemeek> why is installing JDK on linux have to be such a chore
20:33 < aestetix_> s/on linux//
20:33 <@benthemeek> I want my nice little apt-get install
20:33 <@benthemeek> thats all I'm saying
20:33 <@brimstone> apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk?
20:34 <@benthemeek> Well they say we need sun java to run the app I need
20:34 <@brimstone> they "Say"
20:34 < aestetix_> is this openjdk or sun
20:34 <@benthemeek> lol, yes they do
20:34 < aestetix_> which I guess is oracle now
20:34 < aestetix_> benthemeek: are you on ubuntu?
20:34 < aestetix_> can you use a ppk?
20:35 <@brimstone> ppa?
20:35 <@benthemeek> the guverment wants me to install the sun version to run thier package
20:35 <@benthemeek> I am ubuntu 12.04
20:35 < aestetix_> wait
20:35 < aestetix_> they made a sequel to the erlang movie?
20:36 < aestetix_> "hello joe"
20:36 <@benthemeek> hmmm think I should go try to find a ppa for it?
20:36 <@benthemeek> But then I have to trust someone...
20:37 < aestetix_> yes paa
20:37 < aestetix_> not ppk
20:37 < aestetix_> ppa
20:41 < aestetix_> ok so
20:41 < aestetix_> someone who knows money better than me....
20:41 <@brimstone> aestetix_: the sequal is lame
20:42 < aestetix_> if I deposit a check, I have to wait for it to clear, and it won't be available until the next day
20:42 < aestetix_> So why are companies able to deduct money from me immediately?
20:43 <@brimstone> don't companies use a different way of transferring money?
20:43 < aestetix_> I do not know
20:44 <@benthemeek> ... I feel dirty
20:44 <@benthemeek> but i did it
20:45 <@benthemeek> I guess getting java working is worth violating my sacred server
20:45 < aestetix_> why didn't openjdk work?
20:45 < aestetix_> or is it just java period
20:46 <@benthemeek> I didnt try openjdk as the java says it explicitly wants sun.
20:46 <@benthemeek> I would it weren't so critical
20:47 <@benthemeek> but as this box will probably be responsible for all Medicare reimbursement in the company I am trying to follow the prescribed methods... mostly
20:47 <@benthemeek> they say use windows... . pffftt
20:48 <@benthemeek> I had this running on unixware 7 with Java 1.5 for the past three years but they just updated the package
20:52 <@Dagmar> You can probably still get it working with any Sun 1.5 kit
20:53 <@benthemeek> It would take recompiling the executable with the 1.5 flags and then distributing that
20:54 <@benthemeek> I am opting for them phoning home to my linux box for requests instead so no more updating the field binaries every year
20:54 <@benthemeek> We just hope that the internet is always up instead...
20:55 <@benthemeek> Besides one more linux server is a victory and a middle finger to Unixware in my estimation
20:56 <@brimstone> you keep using this word, Unixware
20:57 <@benthemeek> Yes I have a 160 of them...
20:57 <@benthemeek> They are my bane
20:59 <@Dagmar> They should have been replaced ages ago.
20:59 <@Dagmar> Literally everything else will run faster and be more stable
20:59 <@benthemeek> They are very stable... just old as dirt
20:59 <@Dagmar> ...and slow as fuck
21:00 <@Dagmar> Like, genuinely slow
21:00 <@Dagmar> I've seen people replace Unixware with Slackware on the same hardware and suddenly be able to handle dozens of connections instead of a handful
21:00 <@benthemeek> We haven't experienced anything else with our application to know any better.
21:00 <@benthemeek> I have no doubt
21:01 <@benthemeek> Its a problem of porting 30,000 programs or so over to linux
21:01 <@benthemeek> but that IS happening all be it slowly
21:01 <@Dagmar> This is why sane people complile against glibc.
21:01 <@benthemeek> We have a home grown nashville language
21:02 <@benthemeek> a derivative of cobol from from music city and used by like maybe 4 companies...
21:02 <@benthemeek> Thats kind of mean I actually dont know how many clients they have, but we are certainly one of their bigger ones
21:03 <@Dagmar> Jesus
21:03 <@benthemeek> Everything has been written in it for 15 + years and that is the major hold back
21:03  * benthemeek nods
21:04 <@benthemeek> They have got it running on linux though, so its a slow vetting process of making sure that all will work..
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21:15 <@Dagmar> Pfft.  http://techgeek.com.au/2014/01/09/schoolkid-finds-security-flaw-govt-website-now-might-charged/
21:16 <@Dagmar> rattle: By the way, Bongo Java Belmont's porch is no more
21:16 <@Dagmar> rattle: They're remodeling the front.  I'll send you some pix later this week
21:17 <@oddball> Whaaa?
21:17 <@oddball> They're completely removing the porch?
21:17 <@Catonic> egads
21:18 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yeah there's like a 5x10 area of the porch remaining right now
21:18 <@Dagmar> i'm not sure what they're doing with the bricks, but it looks like they're stacking them up neatly at the moment
21:18 <@Dagmar> I have somewhat suggested Bob offer to sell some of the blank ones
21:19 <@Dagmar> He just needs to draft a somewhat reasonable looking certificate of authenticity for him.  ;)
21:19 <@oddball> So, they're planing on adding on to the building up to the sidewalk?
21:20 <@Dagmar> Yep.
21:20 <@Dagmar> That's what it looks like.  There's a drafting plan taped to the front door
21:20 <@Dagmar> I didn't really want to stand there and block the door to take a good look at it, but I'll go back during the day over the weekend and get some more detailed pix
21:21 <@oddball> http://www.bongojava.com/files/2013/05/Screen-shot-2013-12-18-at-12.44.52-PM.png
21:21 <@oddball> That it?
21:21 <@Dagmar> Yes.
21:21 <@Dagmar> I can't help but think it looks a bit yuppie, but it's too late to suggest a more Victorian style
21:22 <@Dagmar> It looks like the new front will be done in a more modern "just a bunch of fucking rectangles" sstyle
21:23 <@oddball> yeah
21:23 <@oddball> I'm actually kind of suprised that they got the permits to do that.
21:23 <@Dagmar> Well, the rest of the street is accumulating boxes already
21:24 <@oddball> I guess you're right.
21:24 <@Dagmar> I just think it would have been cool to keep the appearance consisten with the rest of the building
21:24 <@oddball> Well, I'm a bit sad to hear that the porch is no more.  Spent an aweful lot of time there.
21:26 <@Dagmar> There will apparently be a much smaller porch area out front
21:26 <@oddball> Yeah... that's what it looks like on the plans.
21:26 <@Dagmar> They're not in the image, but I *think* they're keeping the two giant-ass trees out front
21:26 <@Dagmar> That would kinda suck to cut them down
21:26 <@Dagmar> I do somewhat prefer the Nashville that is still practically hidden by trees
21:27 <@Dagmar> Like, you know there's miles and miles of neighborhoods around Nashville, but if you fly in during the day, mainly you see major roads and freaking trees
21:28 <@Dagmar> Which just MAYBE we shoudl encourage keeping around because it keeps the heat island effect in check
21:28 <@Dagmar> I'm sure you've noticed that during the summer, Downtown *stays* ten degrees warmer
21:30 <@oddball> yep
21:31 <@Dagmar> I noticed that BIGTIME on the bike over the last three summers
21:31 <@Dagmar> THe moment you start seeing a lot of trees... *boom* temperature drop
21:38 < aestetix_> wow
21:38 < aestetix_> http://tomnichols.net/blog/2013/08/02/snowden-manning-and-screwtape/
21:38 < aestetix_> this guy is awesome
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21:55 < aestetix_> vagina
21:56 < northrup> slit
21:58 <@benthemeek> bacullum
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22:02 <@anarchival> northrup?
22:03 <@benthemeek> pooey, scp doesnt have a flag that will auto create directories for you
22:03 < northrup> anarchival: Yes ma'am?
22:04 < northrup> benthemeek: you have to create placeholder files in the directories if you want them created in a copy
22:04 <@anarchival> northrup: of all the speakeasies in all the world, and you walk into this one?
22:05 <@benthemeek> I guess I could use rsync
22:05 <@benthemeek> "Let there be a new directory path!"... and there was
22:06 < northrup> anarchival: We'll always have Paris?
22:06 <@anarchival> northrup: Paris, being Twitter, which I have abandoned. Because Nazis.
22:07 <@benthemeek> I noticed you were quiet on there lately anarchival
22:07 <@anarchival> I haven't actually quit, but then I've been on there for seven full years which is longer than I've ever done pretty much anything and I've decided to take a break.
22:08 <@anarchival> Besides, Twitter *and* IRC would mean I'd never get anything done.
22:08 <@benthemeek> At the height of your popularity? ;)
22:08 <@anarchival> benthemeek: quit while I'm ahead, yes.
22:09 <@oddball> holy shit... this sake is actually affecting me.  Maybe I should have had more to eat than a cup of yogurt.
22:09 < northrup> anarchival: so how ya been?
22:10 <@anarchival> northrup: Very good. Crazy busy. Everything is happening at once.
22:10 <@anarchival> northrup: How you doin'?
22:11 < northrup> anarchival: Keeping the head down, CIO and Director of IT both bailed at my work; so trying to decide if I want to stay or pull the rip cord.
22:11 <@anarchival> northrup: Yikes. Best of luck there. Would you stay around here?
22:11 < northrup> anarchival: I hate the effort and change involved in looking for a new job (preaching to the choir, I know, I know)
22:12 <@anarchival> northrup: My only advice is to not stay too long at the party out of fear of change. My only regret is wasting so much time at my last job.
22:13 < northrup> anarchival: Oh, I've come to love Nashville and the south and couldn't imagine leaving.
22:13 < northrup> anarchival: Oh, certainly - I was already operating under the "I'm not going to work some place that I'm not willing to get fired from"
22:15 < northrup> anarchival: I think this might be the catalyst I need to branch out... (queue silence of the lambs quote.. 'you fly back to school now, little Starling...')
22:16 <@Bahhumbug> clear
22:16 <@Bahhumbug> meh
22:18 <@benthemeek> I work with someone named Anna Grahm; Everytime I email her puns are just demanding that I write them but I'm still resisting
22:20 <@benthemeek> Or I guess scrambling the message probably wouldn’t be appreciated. Anyways Im out. Night all.
22:20 <@anarchival> benthemeek: G'night!
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22:45 <@anarchival> Any of you want to participate in the Circuit Benders' Ball? http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/archives/2014/01/07/2014-circuit-benders-ball-releases-call-for-participants
22:46 <@sdodson> which one of you tossers said my name?
22:46  * sdodson forgot to enable logging
22:46 < northrup> Have you ever gone? I went last year (maybe it was two years ago) it was over in the basement of Cummins Station
22:50 <@anarchival> northrup: I had to skip it, but I met Tony at CSIcon and worked with him on the MakerFaire. I
22:50 <@anarchival> I'm going to try to go this year. I wanted to last year, but I think I had to work or something stupid like that.
23:08 < northrup> Ahh... Grinderman, how I always love finding you one jukeboxes at unsuspecting bars..
23:09 <@anarchival> northrup: If you're playing that in Bellevue without me, I cannot begin to express my disappointment.
23:09  * northrup looks at floor... 
23:10 <@anarchival> northrup: You are! You're at a bar in Bellevue playing Grinderman without me! *glares*
23:11 < northrup> Highway 100 Brewhouse, just queued up the entire Grinderman album...
23:11 < northrup> I really should check out the pub over by you
23:11 <@anarchival> northrup: Three Stones is alright, but they don't have Bushwackers, no matter how many times I try to talk the owner into getting a machine.
23:12 <@anarchival> northrup: Besides, I've got a busy day tomorrow, so I couldn't have stayed out drinking, anyway.
23:12 < northrup> anarchival: oh man... adult milkshakes are my favorite... heh...
23:12 <@anarchival> grumbles not that you've ever invited me grumbles
23:12 < northrup> anarchival: Pssshhh... it's always an open invite
23:13 <@anarchival> northrup: You'll have to drive me, unfortunately. Unless I can get a sidewalk built.
23:13 <@anarchival> I should call Charlie Tygard. He'll do it. He'll do anything.
23:14 < northrup> anarchival: You know, that is one of the crazy things, Bellevue being so close to Bellemeade has horrbile sidewalk planning
23:14 < northrup> anarchival: the rich folks are always about greenways and dog parks, you'd think they could spring for some damned sidewalks
23:16 <@anarchival> northrup: it's a conspiracy, so that only the people who can afford cars can get around their neighborhoods
23:17 < RangerZ1> http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/mexican-cartels-are-using-firetruck-sized-drillers-to-make-drug-pipelines
23:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Mexican Cartels Are Using Firetruck-Sized Drillers to Make Drug Pipelines | Motherboard (at motherboard.vice.com)
23:18 < RangerZ1> fuck... if only the cartels... would compete with the ISP cartels
23:18 < RangerZ1> dig me some fiber
23:18 < northrup> RangerZ1: no SHIT!
23:18 <@anarchival> RangerZ1: Did you know that Nashville already has a dark fiber network? True story.
23:18 < RangerZ1> every major city has dark fiber
23:19 < RangerZ1> hell, even youngstown
23:19 < northrup> RangerZ1: I know, and Nashville's is of pretty decent size...
23:19 <@anarchival> RangerZ1: There's some plans afoot to actually use ours, though, much like Google did in Provo.
23:19 < RangerZ1> ytown has 3 rings of OC3... whatever that means...
23:19 < northrup> RangerZ1: if I could have my dream come true, some rich group of people would say "Northrup, help us build a local ISP to deliver services and offer an alternative to Comcast"
23:20 < northrup> I wouldn't mind rolling up my sleves and dedicating the rest of my working career to that goal
23:20 < northrup> LOL
23:20 < RangerZ1> it'll never happen
23:20 < RangerZ1> that mean the _poor_ get on "our" network,
23:20 < RangerZ1> the internet is a series of tubes
23:20 < northrup> well... yeah, that's why it's a dream..
23:20 < RangerZ1> and if you fill those tubes with the poor
23:21 < RangerZ1> they get clogged
23:21 < RangerZ1> and there is a bloody mess, but thats what happens
23:21 < northrup> oh yeah, heaven forbid we do things like, deliver the internet and cheap computers to people who could desperately use it
23:21 <@anarchival> It doesn't matter, as long as Mario and Luigi save the Princess.
23:21 < northrup> heh... it's all in how high you can jump when you go for the flag
23:22 < RangerZ1> honestly, the more and more I step away from politics at the local level
23:22 < RangerZ1> and look at it at the national level
23:22 < RangerZ1> the more I realize, that we need to get money out of politics
23:22 < northrup> I look at things like Burlington Telecom, and think "Maybe one day Nashville"
23:23 < RangerZ1> google fiber is going to force the other carriers
23:23 < RangerZ1> just going to take a while
23:23 < RangerZ1> “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”
23:23 < RangerZ1> same when it comes to rights in other areas
23:24 < RangerZ1> I'd pay 2x to google what I'm paying to comcast for fiber
23:24 < RangerZ1> there _is_ a market for it
23:24 < northrup> you're not alone...
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23:26 < northrup> HA! http://www.speedtest.net/isp/google-fiber
23:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Google Fiber Internet Speeds - Cable, DSL, Fiber | Speedtest.net (at www.speedtest.net)
23:26 < northrup> damn it
23:30 <@Evilpig> this will speak to SuMo_D http://www.axs.com/events/247239/jim-florentine-don-jamieson-eddie-trunk-and-very-special-guests-tickets?src=AEGLIVE_PTHATEWR021514AEG001&skin=starland
23:30 < GateKeeper> Title: Jim Florentine, Don Jamieson, Eddie Trunk, and very special guests tickets in Sayreville at Starland Ballroom on Sat, Feb 15, 2014 - 8:00PM (at www.axs.com)
23:31 <@SuMo_D> hmmm
23:31 <@SuMo_D> you know I really want to like that metal show, but never really gotten into it that much
23:31 <@SuMo_D> there was one really good one with slash
23:31 <@Evilpig> half considering it
23:32 <@SuMo_D> but every time I try to watch it... is... I donno, can't get into it... to much bromance
23:33 <@SuMo_D> they used to do it at the nokia, best buy whatever the shit they call it now theater in times square from time to time
23:33 <@SuMo_D> I saw them introduce Type O Negative, they used to sponsor a lot of the metal shows there... but yeah not sure if they ever did the full live show
23:34 <@SuMo_D> I'm sure it'd be fun if you do go
23:35 <@Bahhumbug> I like TMS.
23:35 <@Bahhumbug> I don't like not having their entire last 2 seasons, however.  No one caps it on a regular basis.
23:36 < RangerZ1> also... I like how press is saying that Gate's new book saying that Obama "doesn't consider afghanistan his war", and is "only focused on getting out" ... are _bad_ things
23:36 <@Evilpig> cat feet + mac touchpad = damnit cat
23:36 < RangerZ1> i'm pretty sure something north of 70% of americans want us out of afghanistan
23:39 <@SuMo_D> I think my metal tastes are more European than American, and TMS is solidly American
23:40 < RangerZ1> SuMo_D: I thought your metal tastes were zinc
23:40 <@SuMo_D> nah, more IRON
23:40 <@SuMo_D> IRON MAIDEN
23:40 <@SuMo_D> :P
23:40 <@SuMo_D> from all the transfusions BLOOOOOOD
23:40 < RangerZ1> leave your S&M kinks out of this
23:40 <@SuMo_D> BLOOD FULL OF IRON
23:41 < RangerZ1> damn torture chamber fanatic you
23:41 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ http://gawker.com/tedx-speaker-talks-about-how-ted-talks-are-bullshit-1496985980
23:41 <@Evilpig> alright.  bedtime for piggy.  night
23:41 < RangerZ1> night
23:44 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28GaKoCuobU
23:44 < GateKeeper> Title: Iron Maiden - Fear Of The Dark (Live @ Rock In Rio 2001) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:44 <@SuMo_D> bedtime song for you
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23:49 <@Bahhumbug> Mmmm, Maiden.  Up the irons.
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> If you like Maiden I encourage you to check out The Iron Maidens.
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> Female Maiden tribute band.  And they are really, really good.
23:54 <@SuMo_D> yeah I've heard of them
23:54 <@SuMo_D> they used to come through vegas all the time, never caught them :/ one day!
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23:58 <@Bahhumbug> They've beem through a number of lineup changes; their older stuff I like better.
23:58 <@anarchival> My favorite metal band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf2aIVKp1OY
23:58 < GateKeeper> Title: Apocalyptica "Hall of The Mountain King" (official full length live video) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:58 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, Savatage cover?
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