--- Log opened Mon Jan 06 00:00:18 2014
00:01 <@NotLarry> Could someone try ssh to angry.endoftheinternet.org again please?  Showing ice...
00:03 <@NotLarry> ty
00:04 <@anarchival> name or service not known
00:04 <@anarchival> this scarred soldier putting on his uniform has a serious sense of foreboding
00:04 < RangerZ1> got it
00:04 < RangerZ1> NotLarry: got a prompt
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00:27 <@anarchival> This Mycroft is the best Mycroft ever, surely.
00:34 < aestetix> You mean the Mycroft from the moon is a harsh mistress?
00:35 <@anarchival> I prefer Starship Troopers.
00:35 <@anarchival> P.S. JohnnyX has a Starship Troopers boardgame.
00:35 < aestetix> you know
00:35 < aestetix> I have neither read nor seen that one
00:35 <@anarchival> P.P.S. I would be perfectly willing to remove all my clothes, and his, in order to play that.
00:36 <@anarchival> vagina
00:39 <@Bahhumbug> You seem quite free with that.
00:39 <@Bahhumbug> Just sayin;
00:39 <@Bahhumbug> s/;/'/
00:39 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: The movie wasn't that bad.
00:41 <@anarchival> The movie was a crime against humanity.
00:41 <@anarchival> Also, Robert Heinlein.
00:43 <@Bahhumbug> Let's play a game.  I say what color the sky is and you argue about it.
00:43 <@Bahhumbug> Sound good?
00:44 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I should go reread some of Heinlein's stuff.
00:44 < aestetix> I thought he was the most amazing writer ever, when I was a teenager.
00:46 <@anarchival> Bahhumbug: Scott Kozicki? Is that you?
00:47 <@anarchival> Starship Troopers is my second favorite novel of all time. Right after Pride & Prejudice.
00:47 <@anarchival> Although I'm becoming increasingly fond of Persuasion. Probably a life stage thing.
00:47 <@anarchival> Did I mention I turned weev into a Jane Austen fan? True story.
00:47 < aestetix> heh
00:56 <@Bahhumbug> Did I mention that weev is sitting in jail (well deserved) and might just be referred to as Jane at this point?
00:56 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: I used to really like Heinlein.  And then I read some stuff about him and that pretty much ruined it for me.
01:00 <@anarchival> Bahhumbug: I would reply with a funny weev story I've pieced together from our letters and phone conversations and tweets from his lawyers, but there's a saying about pearls before swine.
01:01 <@anarchival> Which really should apply more to Wilpig, poetry being what it is, but here we are.
01:02 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: weev is sitting in jail by virtue of one of the greatest failures our legal system has yet seen :)
01:03 <@Bahhumbug> A funny story goes something like "Once upon a time there was a racist, anti-semetic big-mouth asshole named Weev.  Weev spent the better part of his adult life being a raging asshole to people, most of whom he didn't know, nor would ever meet.  Then one day Cosmic Justice played a role and poor ole Weev ended up someone's bitch in jail.  The end."
01:03 <@SuMo_D> dicks!
01:04 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm Semitic?
01:05 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: you forgot the part about the injustice from the interpretations of the CFAA, as well as the broad implications for everyone else :)
01:05 <@Bahhumbug> Don't care.  Deserved.
01:05 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I disagree. Being a troll is not illegal
01:05 <@Bahhumbug> And one of the first people tried on CFAA violations in this country was, and remains to this day, one of my closest friends.
01:05  * aestetix points to the Larry Flynt case
01:05 < aestetix> oh?
01:06 <@Bahhumbug> ShadowHawk-1, Herb Zinn.
01:06 <@anarchival> Also, the better part of his adult life?
01:06 <@anarchival> Dude is 27.
01:06 <@anarchival> I know guys at 2600 who are older than that and still acting like raging assholes. Ahem.
01:06 <@anarchival> Most of the truly vile shit he did was in his teens and early twenties.
01:06 < aestetix> weev isn't really a raging asshole, it's just that he gets others to be raging assholes at him.
01:07 <@anarchival> Which, let's be fair, is not exactly a time when most dudes are acting rationally.
01:07 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: can you point to anything weev did that actually hurt anyone?
01:07 <@anarchival> I mean, as long as he didn't rape or kill someone at that age, I consider him a roaring success in comparison to the rest of his gender.
01:07 <@anarchival> Making people cry on the Internet? Bitch, please.
01:08 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/archives/security-fraud/herb.zinn.story
01:08 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-08-09/news/8801210455_1_computer-break-ins-computer-hacking-herbert-zinn
01:08 < GateKeeper> Title: Teenager Charged In Computer `Hacki (at articles.chicagotribune.com)
01:08 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: was that before Morris?
01:09 <@Bahhumbug> After by a few years.  Morris was... 84?
01:09  * RangerZ1 laughs at 'rest of gender' comment , guess I'm 3 years too late for my rape or murder
01:09 < RangerZ1> I'll have to catch up on that
01:09 < aestetix> Oh. I thought morris was in the late 80s for some reason. Shows what I know.
01:10 <@Bahhumbug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Tappan_Morris
01:10 < GateKeeper> Title: Robert Tappan Morris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
01:10 <@Bahhumbug> Prosecution in '89, released in '94.
01:10 <@anarchival> Young white men have a greater than usual propensity towards violence. Damn statistics.
01:11 <@anarchival> Then again, I was a "Free Mitnick" groupie, so I have a tendency towards sympathy for hackers persecuted by our legal system.
01:11 <@Bahhumbug> There is this little facet of Mitnick that _everyone_ tends to overlook.
01:11 <@Corydon76-work> http://boingboing.net/2013/01/01/correlation-between-autism-dia.html
01:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Correlation between autism diagnosis and organic food sales - Boing Boing (at boingboing.net)
01:11 <@anarchival> He's disappointing on Twitter, though. weev is far more entertaining.
01:11 <@Bahhumbug> ie. He was a _criminal_.
01:12 <@anarchival> Criminal? Bah. Humbug.
01:12 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: there's a valid question of whether CFAA is even relevant anymore.
01:12 <@Corydon76-work> Anybody can be a criminal.  All it takes is an overzealous prosecutor and a lazy defense attorney
01:12 < aestetix> Since we still haven't defined what is public and private with the web.
01:12 <@Bahhumbug> Credit card fraud.  Criminal.
01:13 <@Bahhumbug> It's relevant until it's off the books.
01:13 <@anarchival> No one escapes when freedom fails. The best men rot in filthy jails. And those who cry, "Appease! Appease!" are hanged by those they tried to please.
01:13 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: which is why we have things like Aaron's law that are working their way through congress.
01:13 <@Bahhumbug> Aaron's ordeal and suicide still piss me off.
01:13 < aestetix> You know what I don't get?
01:14 < aestetix> Why people keep calling to free Jeremy Hammond, but not weev.
01:14 <@Bahhumbug> But that's because I knew that kid when he was still picking his nose and wiping it on his pants with one hand and eating a PB&J with the other.
01:14 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: I'm not seeing credit card fraud as part of the crimes Mitnick was charged with
01:15 <@anarchival> When the law is unjust, the people are confused, but only for a little while. They soon make the rational leap and have no respect for law whatsoever.
01:15 < aestetix> anarchival: or perform civil disobedience that triggers a correction in the law
01:16 <@anarchival> Because Hammond is a little more nice and shiny than weev. It's difficult to like weev, personally. It's less difficult to like Jeremy Hammond.
01:16 < aestetix> uhhhhhhh
01:16 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-work: I could have sworn that there were charges filed against him in the late 70s / early 80s involving theft and misuse of credit cards.
01:16 < aestetix> anarchival: you wouldn't say that if you ever had to deal with him
01:16 <@anarchival> Although I'd fuck weev in one hot minute and not give Hammond a second look, so there's that.
01:17 <@anarchival> aestetix: I don't know Hammond from Adam, it's true.
01:17 < aestetix> Hammond is really fucking annoying. Between flag burning at protests, vandalism (including the HOPE bathrooms that took BernieS several days to clean), and general douchery in #2600...
01:18 <@anarchival> aestetix: Truly? I didn't realize he was suck a punk. I sort of like him better, now.
01:18 < aestetix> That said, weev's case sets a really nasty precedent.
01:18 < aestetix> anarchival: I'm not saying that we shouldn't free jeremy, but I am saying that it's hypocisy to say free jeremy, but not free weev because weev is a troll
01:19 < aestetix> Either both or none.
01:19 <@anarchival> aestetix: Yessir. It's why I don't understand how hackers can place their schadenfreude over weev getting punished over their own bloody self-interest.
01:19 <@Bahhumbug> Cry me a river.
01:19 < aestetix> Of course, there is the fact that weev accessed a website that was public, and ATT spent tons of money on lawyers to hammer him because he embarassed them.
01:19 <@anarchival> Fuck! Do you have any idea how much heat I've taken supporting weev as a feminist?
01:20 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps if he wasn't a fucking racist douchebag I could care more.  But he is.  And I don't.
01:20 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: it's not illegal to be racist.
01:20 <@anarchival> I went to the fucking mattresses with Kathy Sierra over that boy.
01:20 <@Bahhumbug> I don't care.
01:20 < aestetix> But the law should.
01:20 <@Bahhumbug> If it was a just world racists would be tossed into the wood chipper and used to fertilize fields.
01:20 <@anarchival> Bahhumbug: If it makes you feel any better, I'm not sure if he's serious about the racism or just trolling.
01:20 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: hiding something? ;)
01:21 <@Bahhumbug> I don't care if he's serious or not.  He spews shit.  It caught up with him.
01:21 <@Bahhumbug> The universe, in this instance, is just.
01:21 <@Bahhumbug> I am happy and sleep fine at night.
01:21 <@anarchival> Bahhumbug: And obviously, saying offensive shit is just the absolute worst thing in the world anyone could ever do.
01:21 < aestetix> Nigger.
01:21 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh.
01:22 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: keep in mind, Lenny Bruce is one of my inspirations.
01:22 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: it's right up there, yes
01:22 <@anarchival> If anyone says anything I don't like, THEY SHOULD BE PUT IN A FUCKING CAGE WITHOUT FOOD OR FUCKING FRIENDSHIP FOR YEARS.
01:22 <@Bahhumbug> You should be caged.
01:22 < aestetix> anarchival: you should move to the bay area
01:22 <@anarchival> lol at you guys and your opposition to a Code of Conduct but hatred of weev
01:22 <@anarchival> L-O-L
01:23 <@Bahhumbug> I don't hate the asshole.
01:23 < aestetix> anarchival: I'm also opposed to a code of conduct, but I like weev.
01:23 <@Bahhumbug> He isn't worth enough as a human being for me to hate.
01:23 <@anarchival> aestetix: yes, but my family founded this city and I will be buried here like a Captain going down with her ship.
01:23 <@Corydon76-work> We aren't opposed to a Code of Conduct.  We're opposed to a complicated and wordy Code of Conduct.
01:23 <@Bahhumbug> Sure they did.
01:23  * Bahhumbug shakes his head and walks away from this nonsense.
01:23 <@Corydon76-work> Our Code of Conduct is "Don't be a dick."
01:24 <@Bahhumbug> This channel, over the past few days, has gone to absolute shit.
01:24 < aestetix> Wow, it's that easy to get rid of Bahhumbug?
01:24 <@Bahhumbug> Good going.
01:24 <@anarchival> And oh boy did you guys get played on that. But alas, I've already said too much. #badcop
01:24 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: that must be because I've been in Europe. Now I'm back and can restore order.
01:25 <@anarchival> aestetix: do you actually come to Nashville outside of PN? Because I've been told I'll really like you and I'm eager to meet you now.
01:26 < aestetix> anarchival: not really
01:26 <@anarchival> aestetix: Fine, then. FINE.
01:26 < aestetix> lol
01:27 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, there's not enough debauchery in Nashville for aestetix
01:27 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: the reason I use Larry Flynt as an example is that he committed everything that weev did, to a large extent, and yet won his case.
01:27 <@anarchival> Corydon: I don't believe you and your tales of not providing debauchery. No, sir.
01:27 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Uh, not quite
01:28 <@Corydon76-work> Larry Flynt didn't try to piss everybody off.
01:28 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: they have both been called disgusting pigs.
01:28 <@anarchival> Did you know that we study no fewer than three - THREE! - of Larry Flint's cases in law school? I mean, actually brief that shit. True story.
01:28 < aestetix> anarchival: nice
01:28 < aestetix> anarchival: did you also study McIntyre?
01:28 < aestetix> That's a case I study a LOT
01:29 <@Corydon76-work> Both Palin and Clinton have been called the worst politicians ever, but I don't say that they're equivalent
01:29 <@anarchival> My favorite was when the Metro cop got called on to brief the liability case over someone getting herpes. Good times.
01:29 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: pissing people off is not a crime.
01:29 -!- terylbrake_ [~Peaches84@c-69-137-93-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600
01:29 <@anarchival> Well, there was that time when the criminal law substitute law professor accused me of being a member of the Khmer Rouge...
01:29 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Actually, it is
01:29 <@anarchival> but we're friends now.
01:29 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: there's the whole intent thing.
01:30 <@anarchival> aestetix: Be more specific? I'm a little drunk.
01:30 < aestetix> anarchival: McIntyre vs Ohio Elections Commission. The case everyone is citing for online anonymity lawsuits lately
01:30 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Intent is irrelevant.  You piss off the wrong people, you go to jail
01:30 <@anarchival> Corydon: Larry Flynt didn't try to piss everyone off? What the fuck are you smoking to even write that sentence?
01:31 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Larry Flynt was a successful businessman.  He did not try to piss off his customers
01:31 <@Corydon76-work> Weev did his best to piss EVERYBODY off.
01:31 <@anarchival> aestetix: Ohhhhh, right right right. I know that case, but sadly not from law school. :(
01:32 <@anarchival> Corydon: "his customers." The rest of society? FUCK YEAH.
01:32 <@Corydon76-work> Most of society doesn't care
01:32 <@Corydon76-work> It's only a few prudish politicians who really cared
01:32 < aestetix> Heh. Every time I hear the "society" argument the "straw man!" alert goes off.
01:32 <@anarchival> Corydon: SCOTUS might differ with your conclusion, but yeah whatever.
01:32 <@anarchival> weev is actually pretty fucking funny to those of us who get the joke.
01:32 < aestetix> You mean like Jerry Fallwell?
01:33 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: they might, and it's possible that society has largely changed.  But I think the largeest extent of society simply doesn't care either way
01:33  * aestetix would totally bang Mrs. Fallwell in an outhouse
01:33 <@anarchival> aestetix: I'm from Nashville. "fans of Jerry Falwell" is, sadly, "society."
01:33 <@Corydon76-work> The opposite of love isn't hate.  The opposite of love is indifference.
01:34 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: sounds more like a triumvirate to me.
01:34 <@Corydon76-work> You have to care about a subject in order to hate it
01:34 <@anarchival> Corydon: You must live in a blissfully liberal subset of our local culture, and I congratulate you.
01:34 < aestetix> Ok so
01:34 < aestetix> One of my project ideas
01:34 <@NotLarry> well, it was 27 at home, 10 at work
01:34 < aestetix> Is to have a public art gallery, with a picture of a little girl and a little boy.
01:34 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: No, I live in a rather libertarian culture
01:35 < aestetix> With the labels "penis" and "vagina" on them, respectively.
01:35 < aestetix> Do you think that would piss anyone off?
01:35 <@Corydon76-work> The basic philosophy is, "If it doesn't affect me, then I don't care about it one way or the other."
01:36 <@anarchival> aestetix: I would totally sell this for the next exhibit in the Parthenon gallery, too, except you're not from Nashville and it's pretty dumb/
01:36 < aestetix> anarchival: Piss Christ was also pretty dumb.
01:36 < terylbrake_> depends on how the art is portrayed as in abstact or not
01:36 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: only to the extent that Mapplethorpe used public money for it
01:36 < aestetix> terylbrake_: the idea was just to have nice looking photos, with those words.
01:36 <@anarchival> In all fairness, I think "The Socratic Dialogues" as is currently on exhibit is pretty dumb
01:36 < terylbrake_> ok
01:37 <@anarchival> A bowl of Cheerios to represent holiness? That cunt needs to be sent back to art school.
01:37 < aestetix> terylbrake_: the point of which would be to make everyone ask why those words cause so much drama.
01:37 < terylbrake_> That's elementary style art
01:37 < terylbrake_> yeah i can see you point in it.
01:38 <@anarchival> yaaaaay word puns!
01:38 < aestetix> Like how I said "nigger" earlier. It wasn't calling anyone a name, it was simply stating a word.
01:38 <@SuMo_D> aestetix I have to find that artist who did the really horrible sculptures of the creepy kids with penis noses and shit...
01:39 < aestetix> And I do believe that if we said words like that over and over and over again, eventually they would lose their meaning.
01:39 <@SuMo_D> I think merely labeling opposite genders would be considered pretty tame
01:39 <@anarchival> There are more than a few faggots in 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NAUgCm-3Tc
01:39 < GateKeeper> Title: Louis C.K. Faggot, Cunt, Nigger - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:39 < aestetix> I LOVE Louis CK :)
01:39 <@anarchival> Also, backstabbing faggots, but that's a discussion for another time. Preferably when I'm sober.
01:40 < aestetix> I'm opposed to censorship with two exceptions: when words can actively hurt someone, and when it denies a parent the ability to raise their children how they want to.
01:40 <@Corydon76-work> I'm only opposed to the first form
01:40 <@anarchival> aestetix: I'm opposed to even the latter, but I was raised in an extraordinarily conservative fashion and had to waste SO MUCH TIME getting out of it.
01:40 < aestetix> heh
01:41 <@anarchival> I mean, I could have really invented some shit with that time and energy instead. :/
01:41 < aestetix> I mean, that's within reason.
01:41 <@Corydon76-work> You cannot control the world, and your child is going to be exposed to new things.  Parenting is about teaching your kid how to cope effectively, not about shielding them
01:41 <@anarchival> Corydon: Yep.
01:42 <@Corydon76-work> There are far too many twenty-somethings these days who have grown up shielded and cannot cope with everyday shit
01:42 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: on the same note, a parent should be able to decide when to teach their kid about sex, and when to show them violence and gore.
01:42 <@anarchival> Fucking Millennials and their fucking bullshit.
01:42 < aestetix> And again, I say "within reason"
01:42 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Nope, not within reason.  Your kid is going to learn about sex, with or without you
01:42 <@Bahhumbug> Are you _ever_ sober?
01:43 <@anarchival> <--- born in 1980, and therefore not exactly a Gen Xer or a Millennial. Whew.
01:43 <@Corydon76-work> Best time to teach a kid about sex is before kindergarten, BEFORE another kid can fill their head with idiocy
01:43 <@anarchival> Bahhumbug: For the purposes of the Internet? No.
01:43 < terylbrake_> <---- 84
01:43 < aestetix> I'm not going to argue on how best to raise a kid, seeing as I don't have one :)
01:43 <@anarchival> terylbrake: You're solidly a Millennial. My condolences.
01:44 < terylbrake_> lol
01:44 < aestetix> terylbrake_: you entitled whiney fuck
01:44 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends teaching kids about sex before they go to kindergarten
01:44 < terylbrake_> oh really?
01:44 <@anarchival> aestetix: Psht. What's the use of not passing on our genes, if we're not allowed to pass on our opinions?
01:44 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: keep in mind, I don't believe there is One Right Way to do anything. Unlike python programmers.
01:45 < terylbrake_> Why am I a whiney fuck aestetix
01:45 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: there's some flexibility inherent in "before kindergarten"
01:45 < aestetix> terylbrake_: because you're a millennial.
01:45 <@Corydon76-work> terylbrake_: he's judging you based upon when you were born
01:46 <@anarchival> Yeah, man. If I never send my kids to kindergarten, I can teach them shit as early as I want or never at all. Right? Right?
01:46 < aestetix> terylbrake_: why don't you go jerk off to your iphone or something
01:46 < terylbrake_> i am simply a person born at that time. That doesn't make me part of a negitive whiney mess
01:46 <@anarchival> <-- barren
01:46 <@anarchival> <-- sterilized
01:46 <@anarchival> <--- unable to continue her line, as it were
01:47 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Have a Darwin Award
01:47 <@anarchival> Corydon: I have hard to kill.
01:47 < aestetix> Actually I guess jerking off to your iphone might be difficult if you're spending all your time reading twitter and posting stupid photos on instagram
01:47 <@anarchival> Corydon: I am hard to kill. But it's probably going to be by alcohol.
01:47 < aestetix> let's see why else are millennials bad
01:48 <@Corydon76-work> You don't have to be dead for a Darwin Award, just unable to reproduce
01:48 <@Bahhumbug> s/probably/almost a sure bet/
01:48 < aestetix> terylbrake_: are you a hipster too?
01:48 <@anarchival> Corydon: So homosexuality is Nature's way of removing you from the gene pool? Huh.
01:48 < terylbrake_> don't post on twitter but maybe montly, and don't have a iphone, and no i am not
01:48 <@Corydon76-work> Actually, I plan on having kids one day, probably by surrogacy
01:49 <@SuMo_D> aestetix do you know how old I am?
01:49 < aestetix> terylbrake_: stop ruining my straw man
01:49 <@SuMo_D> you know I'm dmolnar's little sister right?
01:49 <@anarchival> Corydon: I don't. My daddy and his friends took away my ability to reproduce, and fuck his genes.
01:49 <@SuMo_D> little... meaning... less than and I'm pretty sure you know how old he is
01:49 < aestetix> SuMo_D: indeed
01:49 < terylbrake_> Stop swinging him out to get wet in the rain
01:50 < aestetix> hahaa
01:50 < aestetix> ok
01:50 <@Corydon76-work> I think this conversation has regressed sufficiently to be unlikely to be further useful.  I'm going to bed.
01:50 <@anarchival> Maybe my little brother will carry on the family line, bless him. There really are too few sociopaths in this world.
01:50 < aestetix> Can I rant about the boomers now?
01:51 <@anarchival> aestetix: Fuck, yes. I was hoping we'd get to the real problem eventually.
01:51 <@SuMo_D> Night Corydon76-work
01:51 < terylbrake_> Night have fun
01:51 <@anarchival> Good night, Tilghman! You're, like, my favorite person of all time@
01:51 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: sure, my parents were born before the war ended, so they're out of that, too
01:51 < RangerZ1> nighy night, shall all your windows and doors be frozen shut in the morning
01:52 < RangerZ1> let us ALL enjoy a REAL winter morning
01:52 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ1: I work from home.  Frozen shut doesn't affect me
01:52 < terylbrake_> yeah a dr appointment then close at work tomorrow night woo hoo
01:52 <@anarchival> That was supposed to be an exclamation mark.
01:52 < RangerZ1> if you haven't chipped off over a 1/4" of ice from your car in the morning, you haven't had a winter
01:52 < aestetix> you know
01:52 < terylbrake_> true
01:52 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: isn't your favorite person supposed to be your life mate?
01:53 < aestetix> speaking as someone spending another night in New Jersey because my flight home got cancelled...
01:53 < RangerZ1> why not visit wilpig?
01:53 < RangerZ1> you're probably close to him
01:53 <@anarchival> Corydon: Oh, no. It's you. I fucking love backstabbing faggots. I'm going to give you a big giant hug for it next time I see you.
01:53 < aestetix> Actually that's not a bad idea
01:53 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Kiss her where it smells:  take her to New Jersey
01:53 < aestetix> I was thinking about heading to the city on tuesday anyways
01:53 <@SuMo_D> Rangerz1 !
01:53  * SuMo_D hugs Rangerz1
01:54 < RangerZ1> i didn't do it
01:54 <@SuMo_D> haven't seen you for a bit
01:54 < RangerZ1> unless it pays money
01:54 < RangerZ1> then I did it, twice
01:54 <@Corydon76-work> How the hell am I a backstabber?
01:54 <@anarchival> Corydon: Well, let
01:54 <@anarchival> 's see...
01:54 < RangerZ1> i think its a euphemism
01:54 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-work: Don't feed the wacko.
01:54 <@anarchival> I offered to help you out by taking on the responsibilities of Treasurer...
01:55 < aestetix> I wonder what would happen if I took a stack of blank paper and titled it "Bahhumbug's guide to pedophilia"
01:55 <@anarchival> which included, BTW, doing a lot more fundraising than you really wanted to deal with...
01:55 -!- aestetix was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [aestetix]
01:55 <@Bahhumbug> That
01:55 < RangerZ1> SuMo_D: yeah... last 2 weeks i've slept from 2pm to 10pm +/- 2~3 hours
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01:55 < aestetix> heh
01:55 <@anarchival> and even potentially offering a sweet sponsorship through the Brigade for PN...
01:55 < RangerZ1> whoa
01:55 < RangerZ1> so ... SuMo_D HOWS THE WEATHER DOWN THERE
01:55 <@Bahhumbug> I will only say this but one time.  There are lines one does not willingly wish to cross.  That was that line, aestetix.
01:56 <@anarchival> but Wilpig had a problem with me being a vagina-haver so you just rolled right over and went along with the "Amber is power hungry" conspiracy theory
01:56 <@SuMo_D> as foggy as shit today and 20 but yeah... no snow... and still didn't have to REALLY bundle up :)
01:56 <@anarchival> Corydon: At this point, I'm not sure I'd piss on you to put you out if you were on fire.
01:56 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah.  It's all because you're a woman.
01:56 <@Bahhumbug> Couldn't POSSIBLY have anything to do with you being a pretentious bitch with an agenda.
01:56 < aestetix> Evilpig: ping me if you're free on tuesday
01:56 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: good to know. :)
01:57 <@anarchival> Corydon: But I'm sure someone else will offer to shoulder that burden for you real soon!
01:57 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: do you like hugs?
01:58 <@Corydon76-work> Actually, no, I haven't gone with any conspiracy theory.  It's more along the lines of "Someone pointed out that the bylaws wouldn't let you be treasurer, and while I wasn't interested in forcing the issue, someone else forced it, and I went along with it, because I don't want to put the organization in a bind."
01:58 <@anarchival> Maybe backstabber was a bit strong. Maybe you're just a fucking coward who can't even muster the courage to stand up for your own fucking self-interest.
01:59 <@anarchival> Corydon: Well if that's the case, I apologize.
01:59 <@SuMo_D> ummm.... yeah that was a lot...
02:00 < RangerZ1> whoa... jesus girl, why the fuck do you have to cause drama
02:00 <@SuMo_D> Corydon76-work has been very sweet to me, and I have a vagina and we've had good talks about some of the weird sexisim present at PN
02:00 <@anarchival> Corydon: And maybe you posting that channel topic wasn't an actual attack on me, it was just good-natured jabbing. All a silly misunderstanding, really.
02:00 <@Corydon76-work> I thought that was clear at the December meeting where I refused to disqualify you from being treasurer, while the discussion was essentially that."
02:00 <@SuMo_D> I'm not really sure what all is up with the internal se2600 shit... kinda casually following it... but yeah... wow... getting personal is kind of a lot there
02:01 < terylbrake_> How are you SuMo_D lol
02:01 <@anarchival> Corydon: Honestly? The conversation at the meeting? I got the impression you were suddenly HORRIFIED at the prospect of me being Treasurer and it was all Johnny's advocacy to make me anything else.
02:01 < aestetix> ok time to look at porn brb
02:01 <@Bahhumbug> Can you PLEASE get that chip off your fucking shoulder already?  It's going to cause you long-term back problems if you don't.
02:01 <@SuMo_D> Corydon76-work is usually a very straight forward person in my dealings with him
02:01 <@SuMo_D> terylbrake_ good you?
02:01 <@anarchival> Which, really? Fuck you guys. I've got other things to do with my time and frankly resent being painted as a villain when I'm offering to help you out when I really don't have to.
02:01 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: that was the January meeting.  I'm more interested in not putting the organization in a bind than in giving up being treasurer
02:01 <@Bahhumbug> Bye
02:02 <@Bahhumbug> Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
02:02 < RangerZ1> good, go be productive somewhere else, don't come in here and be a drama-centre
02:02 <@Bahhumbug> s/centre/whore/
02:02 < aestetix> So, my current tool to handle awkward tension
02:02 < aestetix> is to watch an episode of Fawlty Towers
02:02 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: +1
02:02 < RangerZ1> Bahhumbug: I was trying to not be sexist , personally thats what I thought too... but ehh
02:02 < terylbrake_> I am good SuMo_D just stressed about having to drive with a lot of the idiots tomorrow with this ice on the road
02:03 <@Corydon76-work> jonnyx pointed out that hey, it's going to take us 3 months to change this, which now puts us into April, at least.
02:03 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I just started watching it maybe a month ago. It's sheer brilliance.
02:03 < RangerZ1> terylbrake_: where you at?
02:03 < terylbrake_> TN
02:03 <@Bahhumbug> It's some of the best comedy available.
02:03 <@anarchival> Okay, cool, whatever. Whether I'm Treasurer or not is up to the organization.
02:03 <@SuMo_D> terylbrake_ yeah driving with ice freaks me out, especially now, cause after my stem cell transplant I'm kind of terrified of being in a wreck where I might have to get a transfusion after
02:03 < aestetix> I mean, I'm a lifelong Monty Python fan.
02:03 < aestetix> But my god.
02:03 < RangerZ1> nashville? if so, avoid 65 north of the city,
02:03 <@Bahhumbug> I'm going to go with "not".
02:03 < terylbrake_> I am Corydon's partner
02:03 < RangerZ1> that construction is going to be crash central i'm afraid
02:04 < RangerZ1> ohh
02:04 <@anarchival> I just felt like you were intentionally stonewalling me after I'd offered to help you out, which I didn't appreciate.
02:04 < RangerZ1> welcome
02:04 < RangerZ1> I've heard lots of nice things aboutcha
02:04 < terylbrake_> Yeah we live between 65 and 24
02:04 <@Bahhumbug> Seems to be a lot you don't appreciate.
02:04 < terylbrake_> That;s good :)
02:04 <@anarchival> I'm glad it was just a misunderstanding, Tilghman, because I had a growing fondness for you and was hoping to be your friend.
02:04 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: since it's a short show.... anything you recommend after I finish it?
02:04 <@Bahhumbug> Starting with the crowd here.  Moving on to men in general.
02:04 < RangerZ1> also a lot of bad... but Corydon76-work told me to not tell you those ;) j/k, lol
02:04 < terylbrake_> SuMo_D i would also
02:04 < aestetix> I've been on a british kick lately.... BBC's House of Cards was also phenomenal
02:05 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: my lack of communication usually means that I'm busy with something else, not that I'm avoiding someone or an issue
02:05 < terylbrake_> haha
02:05 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: Re-watch it again.
02:05 < aestetix> heh
02:05 <@Bahhumbug> If you're not high when you watch it you need to fix that glaring problem, too.
02:05 < aestetix> hahahaha
02:05 <@anarchival> terylbrake! I like you, too. :)
02:05 < aestetix> I could actually see that being really good.
02:05 <@Corydon76-work> Back when we had Voldemort fucking every woman in 2600, I was the person trying to get the rumors out in the open and straightened out
02:05 <@Bahhumbug> Voldemort?
02:06 <@Bahhumbug> Wait.  Don't wanna know.
02:06 <@Corydon76-work> He Who Shall Not Be Named
02:06 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, for the love of Cthluhu.
02:06 <@Bahhumbug> Skydick.
02:06 < terylbrake_> part of the harry potter crew
02:06 <@Bahhumbug> It's not that hard to say.
02:06 <@anarchival> Corydon: I felt you were my ally, which frankly is what didn't Make Any Fucking Sense.
02:06 < aestetix> bbi20, fawlty towers break
02:07 <@Bahhumbug> Spark a fatty, first.
02:07 <@anarchival> I apologize, truly. I've been betrayed before and sometimes jump to silly conclusions because of it. I'm so relieved it's not what my paranoia suggested.
02:07 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: I do my best not to be either an ally or an enemy, but merely to do what is in everybody's best interest
02:07 <@Bahhumbug> Imagine that.  Just what an officer is 'sposed to do.
02:08 <@anarchival> Corydon: Me, too. I hope the 2600 group figures that out sooner rather than later.
02:09 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah.... I kinda think they've figured things out already.
02:09 <@Corydon76-work> Being open about shit is what keeps my paranoia at bay
02:09 < terylbrake_> i am just a photographer lol
02:10 <@SuMo_D> terylbrake_ that's cool I'm a graphics person
02:10 < terylbrake_> I have a Associates Degree in Professional Photography
02:10 < terylbrake_> That's awesome.
02:11 <@Corydon76-work> If I am fully open about everything going on in my life, then anybody seeking to blackmail or otherwise influence in that way will be unsuccessful
02:11 <@SuMo_D> terylbrake_ that's awesome do you do mostly studio work?
02:12 <@anarchival> Corydon: Exactly. That's why I find it appropriate to confess the most intimate details of my life on Twitter.
02:12 <@anarchival> Also, IRC.
02:12 <@SuMo_D> what brings you to this little corner of the IRC
02:12 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: he's trying to get me to go to bed
02:12 < terylbrake_> nature outdoor work I need to get a studio but just don't have the money yet
02:12 < terylbrake_> lol
02:13 <@SuMo_D> oh is that peaches?
02:13 <@SuMo_D> hi!
02:13 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, that's Peaches
02:13 < terylbrake_> i actually wanted to talk a little  yes
02:13 <@SuMo_D> nice to kinda meet ya!
02:13 <@Corydon76-work> lol
02:13 < terylbrake_> I need my name changed on here to peaches
02:13 <@SuMo_D> I thought you were in earlier as peaches?
02:13 <@Corydon76-work> Use /nick to change your name
02:13 <@SuMo_D> I saw a peach somebody
02:14 -!- terylbrake_ is now known as Peaches1984
02:14 <@Bahhumbug> Peaches is already taken, sadly; fairly recent registration, only 10 months old.
02:14 < Peaches1984> ok
02:14 <@Bahhumbug> That works, though :)
02:15 <@NotLarry> This did not seem to come up at the meeting, but what happened to nailing down a date with a hotel before the end of the year?
02:15 < Peaches1984> SuMo_D now thats better
02:15 <@SuMo_D> woo hop another graphics and images person
02:15 -!- Peaches1984 is now known as Peaches
02:15 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: hotels have been visited, more visits are planned
02:15 <@anarchival> Peaches 1984 is indeed as sweet as peaches.
02:15 < Peaches> How about that Bahhumbug it's actually my mine
02:16 <@Corydon76-work> prior to making a decision, that is
02:16 <@anarchival> Dammit.
02:16 <@NotLarry> Last I talked to them they offered us dates.  I passed that on and now at last fridays meeting we are back to talking about maybe working with a hotel that has denied us in the past.
02:16 <@SuMo_D> Corydon76-work is it going to be at the same hotel? or you guys trying to move it back to the metro Nashville area?
02:16 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: Not yet determined
02:17 <@anarchival> We've got an offer from Maxwell House for Halloween weekend, no less, but Johnny wants the quote broken down a bit better.
02:17 <@Bahhumbug> Thought the 'boro location worked out well for you guys?
02:17 <@anarchival> "modular," if you will
02:17 < Peaches> SuMo_D what kind of Graphics do you usually do?
02:17 <@anarchival> Although I wish we could just write them a check; it's a fantastic rate for what we're getting
02:17 < RangerZ1> SuMo_D: does lots of ms paint work
02:18 <@NotLarry> I dug through notes and a couple of years ago MH pretty much shut us down.  No 24 hour people, no food they don't provide (including drinks and snacks) etc...  Has that been worked out with them?
02:18 <@SuMo_D> Peaches I used to teach graphic design production at Parsons school of design before I got sick, right now I'm doing a lot of vector based stuff
02:18 < RangerZ1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRDe4cNexW0
02:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Pixel God Creates Fantastic Car On MS Paint - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:18 < RangerZ1> there is one of her works
02:18 <@SuMo_D> I have a laser cutter coming in the morning I can't wait to use it!!!!
02:18 < RangerZ1> -_-
02:18 <@SuMo_D> I <3 Photoshop too, been trying to get better at digital painting when I can
02:18 <@anarchival> NotLarry: The events director is my cousin, and yes, they are cool with out format. I visited with Johnny and he scared the hell out of them with our questions, but still offered us a contract. :)
02:19 < Peaches> Nice i want a couple new lenses but those have to wait
02:19 < RangerZ1> digital art is going to completely change when occulus rift and better motion tracking are integrated
02:19 <@Corydon76-work> Okay, I'm off.  I'm tired, and I have work in the morning.
02:19 < RangerZ1> will be virtual holo-deck
02:19 <@Corydon76-work> Please don't blow anything up while I'm sleeping.
02:19 <@NotLarry> cool beans.
02:19 < RangerZ1> NotLarry: how was the ride into work?
02:19 <@NotLarry> So, when can we start promoting?
02:19 <@anarchival> Goodnight, Corydon. I hope you forgive me for being a bitch. I love you.
02:19 <@NotLarry> There was the weirdest drama that caused me to take the wifes truck.
02:20 <@SuMo_D> Night Corydon76-work!  Hugs!
02:20 < RangerZ1> i really hope she's planning on taking your bike?
02:20 < RangerZ1> that would be amusing
02:20 <@NotLarry> It seems offhandedly suggesting my wife might drive my roommate to work in the ice and snow if I didn't take the truck to work turned into my driving the truck to work.
02:20 <@NotLarry> It would have been a nice ride on the bike.
02:20 < Peaches> Night ttyl
02:20 <@anarchival> Goodnight, Peaches!
02:20 <@SuMo_D> night Peaches!
02:21 < Peaches> :)
02:21 < RangerZ1> nice to "meet" you Peac
02:21 <@NotLarry> you two drink too much...
02:21 < RangerZ1> nice to "meet" you Peaches*
02:21 <@NotLarry> But the temp gauge said 27 at the hosue and 10 at vandy
02:21 < Peaches> you to talk to you all later now that i got this thing working lol
02:21 <@NotLarry> night Peaches
02:22 < Peaches> 16 here feel like temp is 5
02:22 < RangerZ1> if it is above 0, then nothing to worry about
02:22 <@NotLarry> It was clear, a little snow, no traffic.
02:22 < RangerZ1> unless it is 31~33
02:22 <@NotLarry> I would have loved to ride the bike in.
02:22 < RangerZ1> then ice is your worst enemy
02:23 <@NotLarry> Of course, getting that engine to turn over and churn some oil into the system at 0 degrees tomorrow would have been a battery drainer.
02:23 <@anarchival> I have been in Idaho in 30 below weather and it felt warmer than it feels now.
02:23 <@anarchival> "it's a dry cold"
02:23 <@NotLarry> Not to mention the whole cold crank shit seems to go out the window when it gets around freezing
02:24 <@NotLarry> I've actually been in that kind of temp.  This does not feel colder to me.
02:25 <@anarchival> NotLarry: I was warmed by the Spirit of God. Also, patriotism.
02:25 <@anarchival> That joke was fucking hilarious it just requires a silly amount of back story.
02:26 <@NotLarry> I hope you are not joking about the Spirit of God.
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02:26 <@NotLarry> If so I'd like to take a few minutes to talk to you about Jesus Christ.
02:26 <@Bahhumbug> @weather
02:26 < GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Manchester, TN :: Overcast :: 18F (Humidity: 86%) | Wind Chill: 1F | Monday: Partly cloudy with a chance of snow. High of 10F with a windchill as low as -11F. Breezy. Winds from the NW at 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 20%. Monday Night: Partly cloudy with a chance of snow. Low of 0F with a windchill as low as -13F. Winds from the NW at 5 to 15 mph.
02:26 < GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Alerts: ::  ...Wind Chill Advisory remains in effect from midnight tonight to 8 am CST Tuesday... * area...south of I-40 and east of I-65. * Wind chill values...5 degrees below zero to 14 degrees below zero. Precautionary/preparedness actions... A Wind Chill Advisory means that very cold air and strong wi
02:26 < GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Forecast: :: Mon: Chance of Snow (10F/0F) | Tue: Partly Cloudy (25F/12F) | Wed: Ice Pellets (37F/23F) | Thu: Chance of Rain (43F/34F)
02:27 <@anarchival> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJLNk6J3wQo
02:27 < GateKeeper> Title: ♬♪ The Spirit of God Like a Fire is Burning ~ The Mormon Tabernacle Choir ♫ - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:29 <@anarchival> weev is a Mormon.
02:30 < RangerZ1> well I'll be damned
02:30 < RangerZ1> vandy cancelled classes for tomorrow
02:30 <@NotLarry> probably, yess
02:31 < RangerZ1> NotLarry: did you just read this email? the entire building properties are closed, no one has to go into work tomorrow...
02:31 < RangerZ1> does that mean you have to stay?
02:31 < RangerZ1> so someone is manning the DC?
02:31 <@anarchival> I've decided. I need to plural marriage weev in the Kirtland Temple.
02:32 < RangerZ1> ohh nvm... this is for isis only, not all of campus
02:32 < RangerZ1> but looks like classes as a whole are still cancelled
02:33 <@anarchival> I mean, we've rebuilt the Kirtland Temple. Why hasn't the Second Coming happened yet? Whyyyyyy?
02:34 <@anarchival> Clearly, the Second Coming is in reference to weev and I in coitus with his other numerous wives. Clearly.
02:34 <@anarchival> like a fire is burning...
02:38 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: wow that was amazing
02:38 < aestetix> I just saw the episode about the Germans
02:38 < aestetix> John Cleese making nazi jokes. I just about died.
02:39 <@SuMo_D> aestetix was it Faulty Towers?
02:39 < aestetix> yes
02:40 < aestetix> I do need to rewatch all the show while stoned though
02:40 <@SuMo_D> I think I remember that one from childhood
02:40 <@SuMo_D> aestetix did you ever watch Kids in the Hall?
02:40 < aestetix> Yes.
02:40 < aestetix> And Brain Candy :)
02:40 <@SuMo_D> :)
02:40 <@SuMo_D> I've been wanting to rematch Brain Candy
02:41 <@SuMo_D> I need to find it somewhere
02:42 <@SuMo_D> yeah that was one of my favorite parts over break trying to explain Kids in the Hall to dmolnar's GF cause she had never heard of it
02:42 < aestetix> I seriously need to get stoned and watch this episode again
02:43 <@Bahhumbug> SuMo_D: http://thepiratebay.se/search/Brain%20Candy/0/99/200
02:43 < GateKeeper> Title: The Pirate Bay - The galaxy's most resilient bittorrent site (at thepiratebay.se)
02:43 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: Cleese++
02:43 <@SuMo_D> one of the perks of having a big brother... watching way too much weird humor at a young age :P
02:43 <@SuMo_D> thanks Bahhumbug :)
02:44 < aestetix> That actually may have been the funniest TV I have seen in years.
02:44 <@anarchival> I need to re-watch everything stoned, but people who have not watched Kids in the Hall are just begging to have their brains re-wired in a far more pleasurable way.
02:45 <@Bahhumbug> ... fuck.
02:45 <@Bahhumbug> Backup system skipped 238 hosts due to file system space problems.
02:45  * Bahhumbug goes to put out fires
02:46 <@anarchival> You guys are having just a
02:46 <@anarchival> TERRIBLE
02:47 <@anarchival> night.
02:47 <@SuMo_D> aesetix - best TV in years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwXulb74Eos
02:47 < GateKeeper> Title: Porshia Stewarts underground railroad - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:47 <@SuMo_D> "it wasn't really a train"
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02:54 < aestetix> This reminds me of a girlfriend I had just sort of started dating. We decided to watch a movie together, and I chose "Triumph of the Will." We didn't last long after that.
02:55 <@SuMo_D> lol
02:55 <@SuMo_D> who doesn't love a little Lenny
02:55 <@SuMo_D> or is it with an i
02:55 < aestetix> SuMo_D: noisebridge
02:55 <@SuMo_D> Lol
02:55 < aestetix> you know what might be fun
02:56 < aestetix> You know how there are book clubs which pick a book and talk about it
02:56 < aestetix> It might be fun to have a club where we pick a word and discuss how it is offensive
02:56 <@SuMo_D> dude... for reals there's an ad with the the copy "your wife will never find out, sign up blah blah blah - button: Browse Bitches"
02:56 < aestetix> The requirement being, it must be a word nobody previously deemed offensive
02:56 <@SuMo_D> lol
02:56 < aestetix> So for example, "curtains."
02:56 <@SuMo_D> curtains is offensive because it could mean THE END
02:57 <@SuMo_D> and you can't be bringing up THE END for others
02:57 < aestetix> oh wow that is so true
02:57 <@SuMo_D> it might be a concept they're uncomfortable with!
02:57 <@SuMo_D> You're confronting people with their own mortality! you evil man!
02:57 < aestetix> So what is a better word to use than curtains
02:57 <@SuMo_D> gimme another :P
02:57 <@SuMo_D> this is fun
02:57 <@SuMo_D> I want to see if you can find one
02:58 < aestetix> Hmmm.
02:58 <@SuMo_D> its kinda like being 12 all over again... where every word is sexual
02:58 <@SuMo_D> for no reason
02:58 < aestetix> How about "window shades"
02:58 <@SuMo_D> window shades are offensive because they keep people out
02:58 <@SuMo_D> it should be my right to see what is inside
02:58 <@SuMo_D> you are literally casting shade
02:58 <@SuMo_D> are you a shady person?
02:59 <@SuMo_D> is that what you want people to think?
02:59 < aestetix> hmm
03:00 <@anarchival> Curtains keep people from peering into my house.
03:01 <@anarchival> My house is the place where I reside, where I am safe.
03:01 <@anarchival> Keep the fuck away from my curtains, you evil bastards.
03:03 <@SuMo_D> aestetix you still thinking of one?
03:03 < aestetix> no
03:03 < aestetix> I'm now on level 89
03:04 <@Bahhumbug> Level 89?
03:04 <@anarchival> I'm really only drinking so that Sherlock makes more sense.
03:05 <@SuMo_D> ha I got to 102 use
03:05 <@SuMo_D> dude
03:07 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh...
03:08  * Bahhumbug hikes out to the mailbox
03:38 < RangerZ1> http://www.dre.vanderbilt.edu/~schmidt/temp/Long_Intro.mp4 if anyone was interested in getting into mobile android development
03:39 < RangerZ1> the core application that both courses are using, was made from my code generator, as its basis
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03:47 <@anarchival> Poor Sherlock.
03:48 <@anarchival> "nowhere"...except for the VP of 2600.
03:49 <@anarchival> anywho, I'm going to bed. Good morning!
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04:33 < aestetix> hmm
04:46 < aestetix> anyone up?
05:21 <@NotLarry> up to what?
05:23 <@Bahhumbug> No good?
05:35 <@NotLarry> It would seem that "going across the hall for lunch" means leaving the noc for 2 hours
05:36 <@Bahhumbug> Working with the houseplant or the other useless waste of carbon?
05:38 <@NotLarry> Not wilbur's, the other.
05:38 <@Bahhumbug> The one that can't lift more than 5 pounds?
05:39 <@Bahhumbug> Meh, doesn't really matter.
05:39 <@Bahhumbug> One houseplant is as worthless as another.
06:35 <@NotLarry> ok, damn coworker did not answer phone so I had to do work in the middle of my game
06:36 <@NotLarry> na, the one who tells me when I came in "Tom from storage called and is not coming in."  Who the fuck is Tom from storage and why should I care?
06:37 <@NotLarry> Oh, you mean Tom from the stock room next door.  I see where you would get that confused, IF YOU DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW STORAGE MEANT DATA STORAGE"
06:37 <@NotLarry> sorry
06:38 <@NotLarry> Strange enough, I don't feel any better
06:46 <@Bahhumbug> You know...
06:47 <@Bahhumbug> For a institution with as strong of a reputation as Vandy has...
06:47 <@Bahhumbug> You people hire some of the absolutely most worthless people on the planet.
07:00 <@NotLarry> I did not do it.
07:00 <@NotLarry> No one who's name I gave them even got an interview
07:01 <@Bahhumbug> Heh
07:23 < Shadow404> NotLarry: when i use to work in the NOC, we had the same issue....same 2 people on different shifts would say, just grabbing a smoke or taking a personal call, be back in 15 minutes, turned into an hour or hour(s)
07:27 <@Bahhumbug> That's strictly a management issue.  As in "lack of management".
07:30 < Shadow404> yeah, that about sums up that place
07:30 < Shadow404> it was also a managers personal friends got away with alot of shit
07:33 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah... I can't put up with that type of favoritism.  I raked a manager of mine over the coals with that one.  Document.  Document.  Document.
07:45 < Shadow404> yeah, i always document my vacation requests in written form via email
07:46 < Shadow404> and make sure i get a reply within 48 hours to confirm they received it
07:46 < Shadow404> cause i had one that turned around and said he didnt approve it, even though it was inthe system and requires his approval to be clicked before the calendar will update with my time off
07:47 < Shadow404> but thats just a learning experience
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07:51 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:51 < Shadow404> Whats up Dole-Snizzle
07:52 <@Dolemite> All but one of the doors on my car was frozen shut this morning.
07:52 <@Dolemite> Fortunately the one that worked was the driver door
07:52 <@Dolemite> Unfortunately I keep my heavy coat in the back.  Had to crawl through to get it.
07:53  * Dolemite looks at the topic
07:53 <@Dolemite> Hrmm.  Apparently more drama has happened since Friday's meeting.
07:54 < Shadow404> just dismissive jackassiveness, whats new?
07:54 <@NotLarry> Wow, I had not seen the topic
07:55 <@NotLarry> well now:)
07:55 < Shadow404> brimstone: did that happen you or was that a quote?
07:56 <@brimstone> it's a quote from anarchival
07:56 <@brimstone> about all of us
07:57 < Shadow404> ...figures
07:57  * Shadow404 gets out the butt hurt cream
08:16 <@Bahhumbug> You misspelled pretentious bitch.
08:16 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 36 nicks [18 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
08:16  * Shadow404 snickers
08:17 <@Bahhumbug> And before panties get wadded up, if it was a guy it would be called a pretentious asshole.
08:19 <@Evilpig> xkcd today. lol
08:26 < Shadow404> Bahhumbug: thx, my panties were already wadded up before that comment
08:33 <@Bahhumbug> No.  Comment.
08:35 <@Evilpig> god damn you nintendo!
08:35 <@Evilpig> I was less than 10 pieces away from finishing all the puzzle tiles and they just added new ones
08:37 <@Dolemite> #addict
08:38 <@brimstone> #firststepisadmitting
08:45 < Shadow404> #failureisanoption
08:47 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: on that combobox thing, since we use the IDs of the devices and not the names the combobox that I have semi-working uses the name, which it another problem
08:47 <@NotLarry> #myhashtagisoutofcontext
08:48 <@Evilpig> I was at 921/929 puzzle pieces. damnit
09:07 <@NotLarry> Ok, I'm not saying they put him in charge, but he is the one approving our timesheets.  That sounds like in charge.
09:08 <@NotLarry> Damn, have a craving for an onion.
09:08 <@Evilpig> lol
09:08 <@Evilpig> I have string cheese.  does that help?
09:08 <@brimstone> always
09:08 <@NotLarry> Titus was trying to train Brian this morning.  Brian opened the kind of magic ticket that would have gotten us written up in the days of Milliken
09:09 <@Dolemite> I hear that Milliken dude was a real ball breaker
09:09 <@NotLarry> I am not sure if it helps.
09:09 <@NotLarry> I don't know about that but when a ticket says so and so call "bout" something...
09:10 <@Evilpig> I offered to train brian, but the current manager when I was there wouldn't allow it
09:10 <@NotLarry> Probably saved you from a prison sentence...
09:11 <@Evilpig> I could have doen it.  by the time it was done he might be saying his name was toby, but he'd have been trained right
09:11 <@Bahhumbug> Wow, seriously?
09:12 <@Bahhumbug> I've not worked in any company where "bout" would not be commented on if not corrected.
09:12 <@Dolemite> Bahhumbug: What if you worked for a boxing organization?
09:12 <@Evilpig> +1
09:13 <@Evilpig> WHA WHA WHA!!!
09:13 <@Evilpig> new shameless!  WOOOOOOOOO
09:13 <@Evilpig> damn I fell asleep too early last night.  I gotta get this moved to where I can stream it
09:15 <@Dolemite> Hrmm.  There should be a new Lost Girl from last night, too.
09:15 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck.  I missed shameless?
09:15  * Bahhumbug torrents
09:16 <@Evilpig> snuck up on you too?  heh
09:16  * opticron still hasn't gotten around to watching lost girl
09:17 <@Bahhumbug> Yep.  I've been slacking lately.
09:17 <@opticron> I'm out of drive space :/
09:17 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, I'm outta here.  Have a good (and warm) day.
09:17 <@Evilpig> it's on my ftp now
09:17  * Bahhumbug &
09:17 < Shadow404> gonna go fap to it real quick
09:17 <@Evilpig> there is a new one starting on hbo on the 12th that looks decent
09:19 <@Dolemite> And in a complete 180 from the fapping discussion...   if you like Alton Brown, check out his new Cutthroat Kitchen
09:20 < Shadow404> Dolemite: tis all good, all done
09:21 <@Evilpig> I need to update my rss feeds to match all the new content
09:21 <@Evilpig> btw drop 3 from the vpn this morning
09:23 <@Evilpig> drop 4
09:23 <@Evilpig> I swear to god
09:24 < Shadow404> sorry, im eating up all your b/w streaming lost girl over your ftp
09:25 <@Evilpig> why wouldn't you use the system that designed for streaming?
09:29  * Shadow404 is beign sarcastic
09:29 < Shadow404> Evilpig: on a sidenote, for some reason plex is still a tad buggy on the google tv devices
09:29 <@Evilpig> well my ups batteries will show up eventually.  https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input?origTrackNum=9405511899560729399102
09:30 < Shadow404> heh, not as bad as shippng from germany, been watching this item take 2 weeks to get here so far
09:30 <@Evilpig> that has customs involved.   
09:30 < Shadow404> yep, thats where its stuck in n.y.
09:30 <@Evilpig> this is just duh huh with the usps
09:30 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: there are two times I ordered 10 UPS batteries all at once.  Both times, due to the value of the order, I received free shipping on lead acid batteries
09:31 <@Evilpig> I only needed two batteries but I just know how the postal service works
09:31 <@Corydon76-work> I have 2 x 2 UPS units that take 10 UPS batteries apiece
09:33 <@Corydon76-work> Qty 2, 2U UPS units, I should say
09:34 < Shadow404> its snowing in atlanta
09:34 < Shadow404> not just flurries
09:34 <@Evilpig> they need to change the opening sequence of shameless.  if jimmy is swimming with the fishes he can't still be banging fiona
09:37 < Shadow404> its possible, just not likely....entropy
09:41 <@Dagmar> Car won't go above 20
09:41 <@Dagmar> ...and it's just not warming up.  yay.
09:42 <@Dagmar> You know it's cold when German cars have problems
09:42 <@Dolemite> Time to check/replace the thermostat
09:42 <@Dagmar> On the brighter side, it only took a half liter of lukewarm water to get into it
09:42 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: Nah, this appears to be a transmission or ECU issue
09:43 <@Dagmar> Imma check the hydraulic fluid when the daystar is at it's peak
09:43 <@Dagmar> A gust of wind will just about peel your face off right now
09:43 <@Evilpig> warm water + icy glass = bad
09:43 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Hence why I don't pour it on the windows
09:44 <@Dagmar> This was to get the sublimated ice off the door seal so I could open it
09:45 < Shadow404> glad im not in tennessee
09:46 <@Evilpig> I think it's 40 or 50 outside right now
09:46 <@Dagmar> My phone sez it's 6F outside.
09:46 < Shadow404> what part of a closed office door means people dont have to knock and can walk right in and start bugging me? I was so tempted to throw a stapler at this asshat too
09:46 <@Dagmar> It KINDA pisses me off because I got tin the car at 8, let the engine run for ten damn minutes hoping it would warm up the rest of the car.  Doesn't appear to have done shit.
09:47 <@Dagmar> It took me about 20 to slowly creep around the neighborhood
09:48 <@Corydon76-work> I've been debating whether I ought to install a block heater for the car for this year
09:48 <@Corydon76-work> Sounds to me like that's what you need, Dagmar.
09:48 <@Dagmar> This would be a morning for it.  Thankfully they don't come like this often.
09:48 < Shadow404> what about putting a cover over the radiator grill like they do on ice roads?
09:48 <@Dagmar> That's actually to keep some heat in the engine
09:49 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, doesn't help with warming up the engine in the first place
09:49 <@Dagmar> I don't think I really managed to get up to a speed where that would be needed.
09:49 < Shadow404> scooter wont work in this weather?
09:49 <@Corydon76-work> BTW, there's an EPA reason to get a block heater:  you don't burn gasoline efficiently at cold temperatures
09:49 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: It's covered in snow and ice
09:50 <@Corydon76-work> So a good amount of it ends up out your tailpipe, unburned
09:50 <@Corydon76-work> and with gasoline at 3.29/gal, not burning it is also an expensive proposition
09:52 <@Evilpig> how has william h macy not gotten an award for this show yet?
09:53 <@Mirage_> Evilpig: shameless?
09:53 <@Evilpig> yeah
09:53 < RangerZ1> b/c he's a natural red head
09:53 < RangerZ1> hollywood only likes female red heads
09:54  * RangerZ1 shrugs, I dunno
09:54 < RangerZ1> also Evilpig Dagmar you should get the Bravely Default demo , its really good
09:54 <@Mirage_> IMO He and Joan Cusak make the show... Not to say that Emmy Rossum showing skin doesn't add some value...=)
09:55 <@Evilpig> i'm laughing at joan right now
09:59 <@Evilpig> these vpn drops are really annoying that was the 5th one
10:02 < Shadow404> yep, i needs my tumblr, fix the vpns
10:04 <@Evilpig> frank giving advice.  lol
10:16 <@Evilpig> bah. another drop
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10:32 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Apparently the guy from DirecTV just had to reboot his server and the SNMP queries to ESX worked
10:33 <@Evilpig> no shit.
10:33 <@Evilpig> odd
10:34 <@Evilpig> well i'm headed down to the dc now. got a hd to change
10:34 <@NotLarry> gl
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10:36 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: My phone says to stay the fuck inside today.
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10:52 < Synx|hm> morning peeps
10:56 <@oddball> NotLarry: Our indoor/outdoor cat would tell you the same thing.
11:02 < Synx|hm> so whats the word on LED vs CFL in this new world of no incandescent
11:05 <@Mirage> Synx|hm: Horde incandescent and worry about it in 10 years?
11:05 <@Dolemite> LEDs are still more expensive, but seem to provide closer to a natural light, and don't really require a warmup
11:06 <@Mirage> Dolemite: there are some CFL's that actually are "Instant on" bright.
11:06 <@Dolemite> LEDs do not contain mercury
11:06 < Synx|hm> whats with people freaking out about the mercury in CFL, is it really of concern if one breaks?
11:06 <@Dolemite> It's mainly the proper disposal of such
11:07 <@oddball> Synx|hm: LEDs are superior, but more expensive up front.
11:07 <@NotLarry> Don't chew on them then?
11:07 < Synx|hm> Dolemite: good point didn't think about people tossing these in the trash
11:07 <@Dolemite> The main concern is that if people just trash them, the mercury will eventually seep into the water supply
11:07 <@oddball> Synx|hm: depends on who you ask.  Most people? fuck it.  They EPA? call in the hazmat squad and I hope you didn't like that carpet.
11:09 <@oddball> I love how there's been some studies that show that CFLs don't actually last longer under "normal use" (lots of power cycles) compared to the old incandecent.
11:09 <@Mirage> I wonder when/if they are going to start building houses with low-voltage for native LED lighting
11:09 <@Mirage> oddball: They work nicely when you have a wife like mine that doesn't like to turn lights off
11:10 <@oddball> ha!
11:10 <@Dolemite> I replaced the flourescents in my kitchen with LEDs and love them.  You can actually put them on a dimmer and they pull about 12W per fixture.
11:11 < Synx|hm> Mirage: that was the first though this morning when i was researching and saw a picture of the big ass screw socket into 110 for an LED setup, so much waste i assume rectifying and regulating in such a small package
11:11 < Synx|hm> we need to ditch the old school sockets and move into the future asap
11:11 <@Dolemite> The ones I have in my new data center here are all wired up with Cat5
11:12 <@Dolemite> 4 zones, so only 4 rectifiers for the entire room
11:12 < Synx|hm> oh cool, couldn't be that hard to retrofit in a home then too, wonder what the code is
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11:13 < Synx|hm> ahh who am i kiding i've never used inspection/certification as an excuse to NOT wire up extra outlets in my house ha
11:13 <@Dolemite> The controller was the expensive part, but ours is on a timer...
11:13 < Synx|hm> hope i dont get fucked when i try and sell
11:14 <@oddball> Dolemite: Yeah... and the tests have shown that LEDs actually do last longer than incandecents under "normal use."
11:14 < Synx|hm> how about decorative bulbs like in my hanging fans with fancy glass housings, what do i put in those that doesn't look terrible?
11:15 <@Dolemite> oddball: The main benefit for me was that it no longer gives my wife a headache when the lights are on
11:15 < Synx|hm> or my outside fixtures on the sides of my garage
11:15 <@oddball> Dolemite: There's that too.
11:15 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm: Specialty bulbs are still allowed
11:16 <@oddball> Which is why there are a couple companies that are now making and selling "rough bulbs" that use the standard socket for those folks that have decided that they won't let go of the old tech.
11:16 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: do you have a wiring diagram for that led over cat 5?
11:17 <@oddball> Of course, my favorite is the company in Europe that's selling "heating devices that use a standard light socket" that are just the old bulbs with different marketing.
11:17 <@Dolemite> Shadow404: Standard straight through
11:17 < Synx|hm> Dolemite: id like to switch though as ive got a quite a few that have finally burned out in my home (have not replaced in 6 years)
11:18 <@anarchival> https://github.com/Nashville2600/minutes
11:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Nashville2600/minutes · GitHub (at github.com)
11:18 <@anarchival> I'll just go ahead and archive everything that's on the Google drive. If y'all have an interest in anything other than the minutes, let me know.
11:19 <@Dolemite> What I did was replace my entire fixture, not just the bulbs, Synx|hm
11:19 <@Evilpig> and why would you move something from google drive to github when you could just share out of the google drive in the first place?
11:20 < dc0de> Happy NY everyone.
11:20 <@Evilpig> also minutes that dont' matter
11:21 < Synx|hm> Dolemite: that would involve replacing 4 fans in my house :(
11:21 <@Dolemite> In all fairness, she hasn't moved anything.  Simply replicated it.  It only matters when the document of record changes.
11:21 < Synx|hm> i do need to replace the fixture in my kitchen though as its an ugly long bubble FL
11:21 <@anarchival> Evilpig: Some people like using git rather than Google drive. This just gives them the option.
11:22 <@Dolemite> Yeah, we had a tray ceiling in the kitchen filled with industrial flourescents that were then covered with 2'x4' plastic lenses.  Horribly outdated.
11:22 <@Evilpig> and whey do we care about those people?  they can take what is offered and deal with it, or fuck off
11:22 <@Dolemite> So when we had mold damage last year and had to redo the entire kitchen we raised the ceiling and put in the newones
11:24 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm: The kitchen is also the room in my house that seems to be occupied/lit up more than any other room, so it made sense to do the retrofit there (and the added expense of LED over incandescent/CFL).
11:27 <@NotLarry> Just saw the liebert use FC
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11:29 < Synx|hm> Dolemite: ya i think ill try out these BR30 dimmables by phillips when i get home from this long trip, i use 4 of those the most in my living room and its always at some dimmed setting
11:31 <@Dolemite> I'm about ready to open the loading dock doors and vent 12MW of heat out into Oak Ridge.  I just don't think the people in the offices on this floor would like me.
11:31 <@Dolemite> There's a hallway ringing the data center, so to get free cooling I'd have to freeze out everybody
11:32 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: they might appreciate the heat today
11:33 <@Dolemite> I think the cool would win that batle.
11:33 <@Dolemite> battle
11:34 <@benthemeek> Whats the stats page for this channel again anyone?
11:34 <@NotLarry> fuck em, the equipment is what is important, and going green, or blue in their case...
11:35 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: http://www.se2600.org/ircstats/
11:35 < GateKeeper> Title: #se2600 @ Freenode stats by Evilpig (at www.se2600.org)
11:36 <@NotLarry> wait, we are getting rid of the google drive?
11:37 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: I don't believe so
11:42 <@Shadow404> heh, ware's last quote is funny
11:42 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: it's not the last, just a random one.
11:42 <@Corydon76-work> If you reload the page, it's likely you'll get a different one
11:43 <@Shadow404> i tried that, didnt change it
11:43 <@Evilpig> nope
11:43 <@Evilpig> it loads a static quote once a day
11:43 <@Evilpig> the different pages might have different quotes though
11:44 <@Evilpig> and if there are multiple thumbnails for someone it picks them randomly when it generates the page
11:44 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry: I think we're likely to keep Google Drive.  The idea that we're going to switch to a tool that only programmers know how to use efficiently seems like a bad idea, even though I'm one of those programmers.
11:45 <@Evilpig> idle hands are the devil's playthings.  nothing good can come of htem
11:46 <@Shadow404> i took care of some wet kittens this morning with them
11:46 <@Shadow404> ty tumblr
11:46 <@Evilpig> okay so I have a hidden select on a page.  there is a jquery plugin that is changing the value of that select through an event on it called "select".
11:46 <@Evilpig> I verified the event is there by doing .   $._data($('#d4 > select')[0], "events") and I can see the event
11:47 <@Evilpig> I'm looking for that select event to get fired so I did $object.on('select',function(){blahblahblah;});  but it isn't ever triggering
11:47 <@Evilpig> is there something i'm missing? just don't understand about the .on function?
11:48 <@Corydon76-work> Why would a select in a hidden area ever get focus?
11:48 <@Evilpig> it doesn't
11:48 <@Evilpig> is on only for focus?
11:49 <@Corydon76-work> Well, also, when you change a value with javascript, it doesn't fire any events
11:49 <@Corydon76-work> You have to explicitly fire those events, if you want them to be fired
11:50 <@anarchival> I write the longest lines! Double the average! W00t!
11:50 <@Evilpig> rhe value is changed/set by the event i'm watching for
11:50 <@Corydon76-work> The reason is that a nasty loop can result in the engine if javascript could fire events that fired events that fired events...
11:50 <@anarchival> NotLarry: We're not getting rid of anything, just adding git.
11:50 <@benthemeek> anarchival: Something to shoot for ;)
11:51 <@anarchival> Actually git would make the most sense for editing documents (like the bylaws) but in order for that to work everyone has to use git
11:51 <@benthemeek> Did notlarry mention we ran into ware the other day after 2600?
11:51 <@anarchival> So of course we're sticking to Google on that one.
11:51 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: Actually, that only works if people commit often
11:52 <@Evilpig> http://dev.opendcim.org/scripts/combobox.js  l/p  dcim/dcim    corydon, this jquery plug will create a combo box with autocomplete out of a preexisting select object
11:52 <@benthemeek> well I think its important to note that its just added in addition to the google drive
11:52 <@Shadow404> benthemeek: where?
11:52 <@benthemeek> a second copy of stuff cant hurt
11:52 <@Evilpig> it uses an even to change the underlying select to what you pick
11:52 <@Evilpig> third copy
11:52 <@benthemeek> I will get you a read only link to the whole 2600 foler
11:52 <@Shadow404> you stopped by his prison?
11:52 <@benthemeek> folder*
11:53 <@benthemeek> brb
11:53 <@Evilpig> and you can see it has the trigger the "select" event on the underlying object
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11:54 <@Evilpig> anarchival: nobody should EVER be editting the bylaws.  Especially not in some public repo
11:55 <@Evilpig> They aren't documents to just be editted.  jesus christ
11:55 <@Shadow404> New ByLaw #1 - All dues shall be payable to the order of "Shadow404"
11:56 <@Evilpig> time to go out and get food
11:56 <@anarchival> Evilpig: It shouldn't happen often, but every now and then a change might be necessary. Git would allow us to submit changes, have discussion, track versions, etc., without the insanity of redlining documents.
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11:57 <@anarchival> But then I like git better than docs. That's just my preference.
11:57 <@benthemeek> http://bit.ly/SE2600
11:57 < GateKeeper> Title: SE2600 (at bit.ly)
11:57 <@Corydon76-work> Uh, the whole point of redlining documents is to make it easier on people who aren't coders, which is the majority of those in 2600
11:58 <@anarchival> Corydon: Exactly. Which is the reason we're not using git.
11:58 <@benthemeek> Can someone who isnt an editor already try that link I just gave?
11:58 <@Evilpig> if that's the reason we're not using git then why would we clone to git in the first place?!
11:58 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: i will I have another account
11:59 <@Evilpig> got in just fine from my work account
11:59 <@Shadow404> Freezing? Look up, here's why. Image Shows Entry of the Polar Vortex into the Northern U.S. http://bit.ly/1hqIPSM  pic.twitter.com/ttKsNwBokb
11:59 < GateKeeper> Title: Satellite Image Shows Entry of the Polar Vortex into the Northern U.S. | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at bit.ly)
11:59 <@benthemeek> More copies of the stuff wont hurt. Google drive option isnt going away :) If someone wants to use git to suggest changes, no big deal.
11:59 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: http://i.imgur.com/Nh8txJX.png
12:00 <@Shadow404> yeah...global warming
12:00 <@benthemeek> excellent. I wish it would default to the list view
12:00 <@benthemeek> I hate that thumbnail option
12:00 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: stop trying to please everyone.  what happens when you submit changes to a single document to multiple places?
12:01 <@Evilpig> also note, i'm not logged in.  that means it's open to anyone without a google account as well
12:01 <@Evilpig> i'm out.  bbl;
12:01 <@benthemeek> yeah its view only to the public
12:02 <@benthemeek> Since we are a 5013c I figured that would be okay and all
12:02 <@benthemeek> should I go for the more white list only approach?
12:03 <@anarchival> benthemeek: you might want to talk to sophrinix about the reporting requirements for a 501c3. It might be required that our minutes be public, I'm not sure.
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12:03 <@Shadow404> anarchival: theres a list email that goes out if you subscribe and its open to the public
12:04 <@Shadow404> hence i got to see Evilpig's arguments
12:06 <@Dagmar> Okay, fuck winter.  really.
12:06 <@oddball> Please tell me you didn't ride your scooter today.
12:06 <@Dagmar> Since i'm stuck at teh house, I decided to take a little nap
12:06 <@Dagmar> I woke up half frozen
12:07 <@Shadow404> that reminds me that i need to warm up the motorcycle for this weekend (amatuer racing practice)
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12:07 <@Shadow404> *track day
12:07 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: any idea what type of network untilization a single SIP call looks like in terms of Kbps
12:07 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: electric blankets are a must
12:07 <@Shadow404> Synx|hm: i usually budget 64kps for each channel
12:07 < Synx|hm> minus RTP
12:07 <@Corydon76-work> anarchival: it's not required by law that our minutes be public.  It is, however, required by our bylaws that our minutes be published on the list
12:08 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: uncompressed, 80kbps
12:08 < Synx|hm> sorry i should have said SIP signaling only
12:08 <@Corydon76-work> Assuming 8000Hz, standard telephony audio (ulaw or alaw)
12:08 < Synx|hm> and ulaw should be 128 Kbps for both direction audio no?
12:08 <@benthemeek> I am one of those people that likes to advocate transparency. If anyone objects to me sharing all the 2600 stuff public or at least to those who have that link I gave speak now or forever hold your peace
12:09 <@Corydon76-work> Nope, ulaw at 8000Hz is 64k
12:09 <@benthemeek> Actually of later is fine. But Im defaulting to the more that know what is going on the better
12:09 <@Shadow404> you can actually watch b/w use on a terminal window that updates in real time on an IAD
12:09 <@Shadow404> for sip calls
12:11 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: right but is that not just one direction of the call
12:11 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: yes, it is
12:11 <@Corydon76-work> One leg
12:11 < Synx|hm> so for both direction of audio that would be 128kbps?
12:12 <@Corydon76-work> Well, let's think about this.
12:12 <@Corydon76-work> Are you talking about a call going through Asterisk, with two SIP phones?
12:12 <@Corydon76-work> Or are you talking about one leg going to Asterisk, with bi-directional audio?
12:12 <@Corydon76-work> Or SIP to SIP direct, with bi-directional audio?
12:13 < Synx|hm> its terms of the endpoint
12:13 <@Corydon76-work> The first has 2 legs, so 128k bidirectional
12:13 < Synx|hm> :) thanks
12:14 <@Corydon76-work> The second and third are 1 leg apiece, so each has 64k bidirectional, in terms of audio
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12:15 <@Corydon76-work> In fact, if you have two legs, and one endpoint doesn't send ANY audio at all, it's still 128k, just unidirectional
12:16 <@Corydon76-work> Well, if it's on the same link, 64k
12:16 <@Corydon76-work> because the return path uses the symmetric return path
12:18 <@NotLarry> ok Dagmar, I'll fuck winter, but it's gonna look small, cause it's cold...
12:18 <@Shadow404> heh
12:18 <@Shadow404> at your age, im surprised that it even works without help
12:20 <@rattle> Evilpig: Pork Roll, have you had it yet, mutherfucker.
12:20 < Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: RTP aside, any idea the actually signaling overhead looks like, i know it can be vastly different depending on options configured but im curious if you have a rough rule of thumb
12:20 <@NotLarry> So it helps me convince people I am not the person they should have called when I have a chinese steam running on twitch.tv
12:20 <@Evilpig> rattle: i'm packing to move now. :/
12:20 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: we suggest that you allocate 80k of raw network bandwidth for SIP calls
12:21 <@rattle> Evilpig: They kick you out of the state already?
12:21 <@Evilpig> you did.
12:21 <@Corydon76-work> Most of the time, you will be mostly running at 64k
12:21 <@Corydon76-work> Well, 65k, if you use the 1000 metric, instead of the 1024 metric
12:22 <@Shadow404> 12:07 <@Shadow404> Synx|hm: i usually budget 64kps for each channel
12:22 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: yes, but if any SIP signaling occurs while audio is flowing, you might use as much as 80k
12:23 <@Shadow404> true
12:23 < Synx|hm> im still at a loss where the other rtp channel is going? im trying to provision for a single call on the phone side, so it should have two audio paths at all times as we are not using gap silence
12:23 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: we aren't hiding anything.  but i'd rather not put the shit out there where it is easy for any jackass to find that might just be looking to start trouble somewhere
12:23 <@Corydon76-work> and technically, 64k only counts the raw audio, not the additional packet headers, Ethernet, etc.
12:24 <@Evilpig> posting to the list and having hte link to the archive on that same email is more than sufficient
12:24 <@Shadow404> so even if i can do 23 channels, i usually only configure 22 and let the last channel be used for worst casse overhead
12:24 < Synx|hm> so 128K then maybe bump to 160 or 180Kbps for the total call BW usage
12:24 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: RTP is one path per stream.  Typically there are multiple paths per endpoint, because DTMF is sent in a separate RTP stream than audio
12:24 <@Shadow404> the best part is when a customer only has 2xt1's and all the phone lines are in use and they complain about inet speed
12:25 <@Corydon76-work> Similarly, if you have a video phone, you provision yet another RTP path for video
12:25 < Synx|hm> good point also forgot about DTMF rfc2833
12:25 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: what?  those aren't different lines? ;)
12:25 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: not on an IAD
12:25 <@Shadow404> this is a cbeyond solution
12:25 <@Evilpig> we had a split T back in the days when I worked at ICS
12:25 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: and if you have a conference phone, don't be surprised if it allocates multiple audio streams for stereo sounds
12:27 <@Evilpig> I love this deli.  can't get enough of this #12.  http://media.wix.com/ugd/4f97a1_19a96f4ab84944a68ccf6ff50cb9788e.pdf
12:27 < Synx|hm> oh interesting hadn't thought about that
12:30 <@oddball> ngah! taser to the fucking eye. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-taser-in-eye-orlando-20140103,0,2468543.story
12:30 < GateKeeper> Title: Taser in eye disarmed Orlando man - Orlando Sentinel (at www.orlandosentinel.com)
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12:34 <@Shadow404> oddball: what is a cop thinkng pointing a taser at a persons eye?
12:34 <@Shadow404> your supposed to use the taser on fatty tissue like the general chest area
12:34 <@Evilpig> says the stick
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12:35 <@Shadow404> your point?
12:36 <@Shadow404> if you are 10 feet from me, and you cant hit me in the chest, you shouldnt be a cop, no matter how thin the perp is
12:36 <@oddball> Yeah.  The cops was apparently aiming a bit high.
12:38 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: though i have put on 15 pounds in 2013
12:38 <@Shadow404> but thats my target weight fortunately
12:40 <@Shadow404> heh, watching snowflakes fall with "slowmoe" would be interesting....
12:42 <@oddball> You watching Dredd?
12:43 <@Shadow404> good job, nah i heard a soundbyte from it
12:43 <@Shadow404> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_u5m7amUb0
12:43 < GateKeeper> Title: Communion After Dark - New Dark Electro, EBM, Industrial, Synthpop, Gothic, Cyber - COVERS! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
12:43 <@Shadow404> firs 15secs
12:44 <@Shadow404> was an amazing remake though
12:44 <@Catonic> Shadow404: non-lethals are never aimed at head.
12:45 <@Shadow404> shouldnt be
12:45 <@Catonic> *less-lethals
12:45 <@Shadow404> but alas, that story
12:45 <@Catonic> Is evidence prima facie of a cop who didn't pay attention in Taser Training Class.
12:46 <@oddball> the article claims that the hit locations were due to the guy turning when he was shot.  I'm trying to figure out how that can cause one node to hit his right eye, and the other to hit his left side.
12:46 <@Evilpig> or maybe he did and the kid was just getting a lesson
12:46 <@Catonic> In other words, he's culpable for his actions and the state's protective immunity won't cover him.
12:47 <@oddball> I could see some one turning and ducking into it, but I would think that both hits would be on the same side.
12:47 <@Catonic> oddball: don't assume he didn't move in less than three dimensions.
12:47 <@Catonic> concurrently.
12:47 <@Shadow404> ok, im officially locking my office door and turning the light off, heopefully that will deter people from continually bugging me today
12:47  * Catonic goes looking for the copy of Time Management for Sysadmins
12:47 <@oddball> Catonic: Yeah, see my next statement. :)
12:49 <@oddball> For the record, I'd say, according to that story, it was a clean shoot.  Guy was brandishing a firearm in front of cops and refused to disarm when instructed to.
12:49 <@Evilpig> i'm with ya on that front
12:51 < Synx|hm> god fucking damn it
12:51 <@oddball> And of course, the guys in another channel have latched on to the fact that this happened outside One Eyed Jack's.
12:51 < Synx|hm> what about "DO NOT FUCKING FEED MY CHILD ANYTHING" does my step-mother not understand
12:51 <@oddball> oh dear.
12:51 < Synx|hm> she just shoveled an entire finger full of honey into the mouth of a 5 month old
12:51 <@Catonic> Synx|hm: The part that involves hearing comprehension.
12:51 < Synx|hm> im going to lose my shit
12:52 <@Catonic> Collect kid and put step-mom in timeout
12:52 < Synx|hm> oh but she has 3 kids she knows everything there is to know about child raising and sure she may have given her kids all sorts of shit at young age but i do not want to find out he is deathly alergic to something while on this road trip
12:52 <@Evilpig> collect step-mom, desposit in stupid pit for composting
12:52 < Synx|hm> yes yes
12:53 <@Catonic> oddball: I'm going to say he ducked.
12:53 <@Catonic> He probably turned and got low, ready to charge... I don't think he was going to use the gun...
12:54 <@Catonic> But... had I been there... had my local police been there... there wouldn't be a news story.
12:54 <@oddball> Well, the news story would have been a bit different.
12:55 <@Evilpig> if the vandy pd where there, there would be no story
12:55 <@oddball> fair enough
12:55 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm: Family vacations are always enhanced with a trip to the Children's Hospital Emergency Room.  I speak from experience.
12:56 <@oddball> I thought that was part of the family experience.
12:56 <@Evilpig> not mine
12:58 <@Shadow404> oddball: if he was armed and refusing, then i retract my arguement, he got what he deserved
12:58 <@oddball> Yeah... posing in front of the biggest gang in the land that has legal immunity?  Bad move.
13:02 < Synx|hm> Dolemite: well FML, now that its 1 Jan ive got a $3K deductable to meet too so that would be an added bonus of any dr/emerg room visits
13:04 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: check the policy.  In many cases, the deductible is limited to a smaller amount for a single incident, like only $2500
13:04 <@Corydon76-work> not that that's much comfort in a hospital visit involving your child...
13:05 < Synx|hm> ha
13:05 < Synx|hm> so potential risk of the honey she just shoveled down his mouth before my wife could get her finger in there...
13:05 < Synx|hm> botulism from spoors in the honey and possible death
13:06 < Synx|hm> *facepalm*
13:06 <@Corydon76-work> I'd be more worried about her unwashed finger, if she was stupid enough to be giving honey to a kid that young
13:07 < Synx|hm> so frustrating being here, im sittign in the kitchen trying to take conf calls with customers while she yells and toats my child around banging pots and pans
13:07 < Synx|hm> every fucking time i say, lets go to socali and visit my dad for vacation, i realize 3 days in it was the worst idea ive ever had
13:07 < Synx|hm> why do i never learn
13:07 <@Catonic> This... parenting thing... has she done it before?
13:08 < Synx|hm> 3 step brothers, oddly non of them had near death experiences when they were young
13:09 <@Shadow404> i hope ware gets banned on twitter
13:09 <@Evilpig> oh the near death experiences I managed to get into as a kid
13:09 <@Evilpig> it's truly amazing we didn't get killed or at the very lease end up in jail
13:12 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: heh, you have no idea how true that statement is, i look back at how careless and wreckless i was when i was younger and have to think how i made it this far without being a paralyzed or dead
13:13 <@Shadow404> 2 motorcycle accidents (1 my fault entirely)
13:13 <@Evilpig> we inadvertantly set a yellow jacket nest on fire
13:14 <@Shadow404> and other close calls including a pellet to the face that still inbedded in my cheek fat that could of been 2 inches hire and blinded my right eye
13:14 <@Dolemite> http://www.flickr.com/photos/project2000/11765675193/
13:14 < GateKeeper> Title: The Call Of The Wild | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
13:14 <@Shadow404> *higher
13:15 <@Shadow404> oh, i love smoking out a yellow jacket nest and plugging up all the exits then pouring gas down the main hole and setting the sucker on fire remotely
13:15 <@Shadow404> if i ever get around to building a working forge, i wanna do aluminum/tin casting of anthills
13:16 <@Evilpig> we didn't know the nest was in the log.
13:17 <@Evilpig> it's one thing to burn a nest on purpose, it's an entirely other thing to set their home on fire and just piss them off
13:18 <@Catonic> Shadow404: then there was the time that you wanted to put rockets on the motorcycle...
13:18 <@Shadow404> Catonic: i still do
13:18 <@Shadow404> that hasnt changed
13:18 <@Catonic> no walls made of cardboard, k?
13:19 <@Shadow404> it would be one mast cog latterally placed on the back of the bike, ill use the sissy bar mounts to build a containment box of a of thick metal just in case around the rocket casing if it were to cato
13:19 <@Catonic> Shadow404: read this, k? http://www.amazon.com/dp/0471326429
13:19 <@Shadow404> yes, a couple of my friends in #space have done the calculations
13:20 <@Shadow404> Catonic: read this: www.shadow404.com/125
13:20 <@Catonic> Find a copy of it used, you don't 7th or 8th ed
13:20 <@Shadow404> wont be using that fuel though, not enough impulse for a bike to cause any reall thrust
13:20 < Synx|hm> step mom: "Are you on a call"
13:21 < Synx|hm> Me: "yup"
13:21 < Synx|hm> her: proceeds to turn on the TV and FULL FUCKING VOLUME
13:21 <@Catonic> Shadow404: if all else fails, burn it using a nearby fuel source. ;)
13:21 <@anarchival> Synx|hm:She sounds like a wicked stepmonster.
13:22 <@Catonic> Wicked Bitch of the West
13:22 < Synx|hm> shes really not that bad, just frustrating at times as she is offwork while school is out so she is always around and wanting to do things, cook or entertain and i just need to fucking work and be left alone
13:25 <@Catonic> ... calm down and communicate that to her.
13:25 <@Catonic> "I need at least 20 minutes of uninterrupted workflow."
13:25 <@Shadow404> wait, Catonic is giving advise about socializing?
13:25 <@Shadow404> *advice
13:26 < aestetix> vagina
13:26 < Synx|hm> ha :)
13:27 < Synx|hm> im just bitching in here as its a easy way for me to blow steam from all the stupid shit that is also going on at work
13:27 <@Shadow404> so boss instant messages me asking if im back from lunch, and tell him im back and almost done with this project and hes like, well your office light is off and the door looks locked
13:27 <@Shadow404> i reply, yeah im hiding
13:27 <@Catonic> "Can't get a damn thing done otherwise"
13:28 <@Shadow404> thats what i wanted to say
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13:29 <@Shadow404> i swear open door policies just breed idiocy, cause if anyone wants to know something, they just to somone else directly before thinking logically to figure it out on their own
13:30 <@Shadow404> and when you got people coming to you all day asking redundant questions or want to have a debate on how to proceed on every single step of a project instead of figuring it out themselves, how can i get my parts done
13:30 <@Evilpig> family guy.  lol.  peter goes to the doctor for impotence.  "Have you tried divorce?  I've never seen a single man with this problem"
13:30 <@Shadow404> i want him as my doctor
13:30 < Synx|hm> my boss just called me and said he needed my help as a more senior guy on this major issue going on with one of our products... ive been at the company 1 year, by far the least of anyone working on this product and am the only one that has only been working in this busness for just a year, w00t im Senior, i hope that means more monies soon
13:30 <@Shadow404> would of saved a lot of troulbe
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13:31 <@Shadow404> Synx|hm: doubtful
13:31 < Synx|hm> :(
13:31 < Th3Fr1ng3> Hello
13:33 <@Shadow404> Synx|hm: you can certaintly dream though, thats free
13:33 <@Shadow404> at least until obama finds a way to tax dreams
13:34 < Th3Fr1ng3> Lol its not just obama
13:35 <@Catonic> Shadow404: I've exploited that.
13:37 <@Shadow404> the getting called a Sr at work?
13:37 <@Catonic> Shadow404: just means you're a dork with experience.
13:38 < Synx|hm> my boss really likes me though and im up for my 1 year review any day now
13:40 < Synx|hm> actually i may demand more monies as im fucking sick and tired of working 60hour weeks cleaning up mess after mess and making less than i was on active dtuy
13:40 <@Catonic> Synx|hm: you should
13:40 <@Catonic> If you're working more than 40 hrs, you should adjust your pay accordingly.
13:41 < Synx|hm> though in fairness military makes damn good money (O pay + flight pay)
13:41 < Synx|hm> perhaps i should take a shower today
13:43 < aestetix> anyone here getting pelted by the weather?
13:43  * Catonic goes back to work
13:43 < Synx|hm> nope its 70 degrees here today
13:43 <@Shadow404> aestetix: weather is obama's fault
13:43 <@Catonic> ~weather 29303
13:44 <@Shadow404> !weather 30064
13:44 < aestetix> thanks obama
13:44 < aestetix> I just got a phone call from my friend in indiana
13:44 < Synx|hm> its his fault the bot is broken
13:45 < aestetix> "our school just sent out an email telling everyone not to leave their home for 30 hours"
13:49 <@Evilpig> wha?
13:50 < aestetix> apparently it's like -40F there
13:50 <@Evilpig> "if I wanted to pay for commercials I can't skip, i'd sign up for hulu plus"  gg simpsons
13:51 < aestetix> you know
13:51 < aestetix> I signed up for a trial of hulu and wtf
13:51 <@Dickie> I like Hulu
13:51 <@oddball> Evilpig: What?  not simply "I'd watch it on cable?"
13:51 < aestetix> since the point of paying for a service is to not have commercials
13:51 <@Dickie> I don't care for Amazon prime
13:51 <@Dickie> aestetix: I don't think that's fair
13:51 <@Dickie> You paid for cable
13:51 <@Shadow404> Dickie: love amazon prime, using gf's accoutn so free upgrade for me
13:51 <@Dickie> what it has that netflix doesn't is fresh content
13:52 <@Dickie> I find the two to be complimentary
13:52 < aestetix> Dickie: not only that, but netflix continually removes content, which pisses me off
13:52 <@Dickie> Shadow404: I didn't get anything out of it that netflix or hulu didn't offer
13:52 <@Dickie> aestetix: yes
13:52 < aestetix> I have a routine now where I check netflix for a movie, and when its not there, I hit piratebay
13:52 <@Shadow404> Dickie: i enjoy the free shipping on most things
13:52 <@Dickie> I don't pay for hulu, though
13:52 <@oddball> aestetix: You too, huh?
13:52 <@Shadow404> her and i use it so much, it pays for iself
13:53 <@Dickie> that's good, but I didn't order enough to get a deal from that
13:53 <@Dolemite> I haven't found anything on Amazon Prime Video that piratebay doesn't have
13:53 <@Shadow404> insant gratification (streaming)
13:53 <@Shadow404> *instant
13:53 <@Dickie> I'm actually looking into replacing grocery shopping with amazon subscriptions on some items
13:54 < aestetix> oddball: that way I at least attempt to be "legal"
13:54 <@oddball> heh
13:54 < aestetix> Did you ever see the comic about game of thrones
13:54 <@Dickie> It's the damn studios and their contracts
13:54 <@Dickie> they'll learn
13:54 < aestetix> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones
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13:58 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Wow, that is fucked.
13:59 <@Evilpig> this episode of the simpsons last night is almost all mpaa/riaa propaganda.  it's really bad
14:00 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: of course, the other option is simply to avoid the show altogether
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14:00 < aestetix> wow I hate apple
14:00 < aestetix> I can't import an image into imovie
14:00 < aestetix> I have to import it into iphoto, and then save that as a format that imove will see
14:01 <@Corydon76-work> That's my approach with pretty much all cable TV shows nowadays.  If Comcast is going to make it near impossible for me to record and time-shift them, then the shows will suffer one less viewer.  In time, maybe the content networks will learn.  If not, I have other things to do with my time.
14:02 <@oddball> Sadly, in the meantime, they will look at the ratings and respond with "moar reality!"
14:03 <@Corydon76-work> Actually, come to think of it, I really ought to cut back my subscription currently on cable TV, because they screwed me
14:04 <@Shadow404> get rid of cable tv, just get digital OTA tv
14:05 <@Shadow404> and a internet media player
14:05 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Oh, by the way, since I know you've been having issues with bandwidth caps.  Have you thought about getting a Comcast business account?  no caps.
14:06 <@Corydon76-work> Chapter 13 bankruptcy
14:06 <@Corydon76-work> For me to change my expense profile, I have to file something with the court.  Ain't happening.
14:06 <@oddball> Oh, right.  Forgot about that.
14:08 <@Corydon76-work> Fuck, these assholes make it impossible to find out how to *downgrade* service
14:09 <@anarchival> I canceled my cable TV completely last year. The only thing I miss so far is hockey.
14:10 < Synx|hm> anarchival: i have your FIX!!! i cut the cord many years ago and hockey was one of my huge misses
14:11 < Synx|hm> anarchival: you reddit? the /r/hockey subreddit posts live HD streams to the content for almost every single game along with a nice discussion thread for game progress
14:11 <@Shadow404> anarchival: for me its the science channels
14:11 < Synx|hm> anarchival: it is pirated from gamecenterlive though
14:11 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: Whaaaa? Thanks!
14:12 < Synx|hm> anarchival: i have to run for a min but ill hit you up for the details in a bit, you around here for a bit?
14:12 <@anarchival> Synx|hm: Yep.
14:12 < Synx|hm> also do you have an android phone?
14:13 < Synx|hm> not required but there is a pirated gamecenterlive app floating around for when you are on the road :)
14:13 < Synx|hm> ok ill hit you up when i get back in a bit
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14:16 < aestetix> btw
14:16 < aestetix> http://store.2600.com/hopextickets.html
14:16 < GateKeeper> Title: HOPE X TICKETS (at store.2600.com)
14:17 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: that sad part is, these fucked distribution centers make "criminals" out of anyone who doesn't want to deal with the red tape.
14:18 < aestetix> "I can either pay for services I don't want to see a show, or I can just download it from bittorrent."
14:18 < aestetix> I don't think anyone is actively trying to pirate the show, it's just that all the options suck.
14:19 < aestetix> And fiww, more than once when I have torrented an independent movie that I liked, I've gone to the artists site and bought a copy
14:19 <@Dolemite> I think now is an excellent time for some chocolate pudding
14:20 < aestetix> Dolemite: with 2 girls and a cup?
14:20 <@Dolemite> 2 cups 1 spoon
14:21 <@Shadow404> 2 spoons 1 plate
14:22 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-work: Ouch.  Sorry to hear about the Ch 13.
14:22 <@Corydon76-work> Dolemite: been that way since 2010
14:23 <@Dolemite> Did not realize that
14:23 <@Dolemite> I am completely disconnected, apparently
14:23 <@Corydon76-work> I'm scheduled to be done in 18 months
14:24 <@Corydon76-work> Or 24 months, statutory maximum
14:25 < aestetix> What is chapter 13?
14:25 < aestetix> Is that a personal finances bakruptcy?
14:25 <@Shadow404> bannkruptcy
14:26 < aestetix> I thought there was also chapter 11
14:26 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: does that absolve you of all debt except for student loans?
14:26 <@Corydon76-work> It gets rid of all debt except my mortgage
14:27 <@Corydon76-work> I have no student loans
14:27 < aestetix> ah ok
14:27 < aestetix> I just know that student loans are one of the few things that bankruptcy doesn't fix
14:29 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, good, the local Comcast line rings busy
14:32 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: any secured loan cannot be fixed with bankruptcy
14:32 < aestetix> What does "secured" mean?
14:32 <@Dolemite> So if you have a loan that places a lien against your house or your car, it's exempt - generally speaking.   I think there are a couple of loopholes to that one.
14:32 <@Corydon76-work> You either have to pay it off entirely in bankruptcy, or you surrender the security, which converts the loan into unsecured, so it can be disposed of
14:34 <@Corydon76-work> In my case, I surrendered two vehicles, and those auto loans became unsecured, and as long as I complete my bankruptcy successfully, that's $14k that will disappear with bankruptcy
14:34 < aestetix> nice!
14:34 <@Corydon76-work> If my bankruptcy case is dismissed prior to successful conclusion, I'd have to pay that additional $14k
14:35 <@Corydon76-work> That's pretty good motivation to keep my bankruptcy intact
14:38 < frsilent> anybody have input for this problem? I need to write a simple web service to run on a Windows XP machine in Python & exported to a standalone executable
14:38 < frsilent> needs to be able to accept a plist/json, store data in a sqlite, & post to a local POS as well as a separate online service
14:40 < frsilent> my concerns are mostly in translating via py2exe or other tool & retaining functionality
14:42 < aestetix> vagina
14:45 <@Corydon76-work> Finally got through to Comcast.  Apparently my reason for downgrading service wasn't something they could fix easily, so other than trying to upsell me on phone service (which I don't need), no attempt was made to save the account.
14:47 <@Corydon76-work> I got a lovely notice that they're about to start encrypting those lower basic channels, so if those suddenly become unavailable, I might have to cancel TV service altogether
14:47 < aestetix> Why do you have tv service?
14:48 <@Corydon76-work> I have MythTV to time-shift various shows
14:48 <@Corydon76-work> it's easier to deal with a single signal than dealing with a digital antenna
14:49 <@Dolemite> Plus Nashville has the local OTA antennas in various geographical locations...   so you have to get an omni-directional with less gain, or multiple uni-directionals
14:50 <@Dolemite> It was very nice to find out when I moved to Knoxville that ALL of the TV stations have their antennas on the same ridge
14:50 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, but if they screw up my setup, I'll just do without TV for awhile.  No great loss.
14:51 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: I haven't had TV for years. It seems kind of pointless with bittorrent and netflix.
14:51 <@Shadow404> agreed, OTA is the way to go
14:51 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: it makes a lot more sense in weather situations to have TV
14:52 <@Corydon76-work> and this is Tennessee; we have weather here like SF has earthquakes
14:55 < aestetix> Speaking of comcast, fuck them
14:55 < aestetix> They sent a TV modem/remote to our place along with a bill
14:55 < aestetix> We never ordered one.
14:56 <@Corydon76-work> The law says that if they send you something without you ordering it, it is a gift.
14:57 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: they'll find a way to charge you anyway
14:57 <@Shadow404> if you dont send it back
14:57 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: I think the equipment might be considered a gift
14:57 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: That's illegal, under federal law
14:57 < aestetix> The recurring charge that shows up on your bill, however, is not.
14:57 <@Shadow404> this is comcast, in bed with the govt so hardcore
14:58 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Oh, this is existing service?
14:58 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: I have internet service with them. They sent us an unrequested TV kit and started billing us for it.
14:59 < aestetix> Which means we have to go through the trouble of returning the fucking kit to them.
15:00 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, yeah...
15:01 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I generally recommend visiting their local office.  Best time of the day to do it is right when they open in the morning
15:01 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: yeah that's the plan.
15:01 <@Corydon76-work> That way, you get a receipt for the equipment
15:01 < aestetix> Except it's the winter now so everyone is sick following the holiday fatigue.
15:07 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Okay, I've no idea how combat is supposed to work in Bravely Default
15:11 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Oh nevermind.  I expected it to be useful
15:15 < aestetix> man
15:15 < aestetix> everyone is sick right now
15:15 < aestetix> I wonder if it's because of the weather, or because the holidays now brings unsustainable stress and anger
15:15 <@Dolemite> ok, time to go walk to my frozen vehicle.  Later, kids!
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15:16 < Synx|afk> anarchival: shit just went nuclear at work give me a few if you want to msg me your email i can do that too
15:38 < aestetix> Hmm.
15:39 < aestetix> Why do all project management tools suck.
15:40 <@Dagmar> *eyeroll*
15:47 < aestetix> Dagmar: you're right. It's the people who appoint themselves project managers who actually suck.
15:47 <@Evilpig> they match project managers?
15:47 < aestetix> Evilpig: btw, you free tomorrow?
15:47 <@Evilpig> i'll be at work
15:47 < aestetix> Evilpig: tomorrow night
15:47 < aestetix> I'm gonna be in the city meeting up with some friends
15:49 <@Evilpig> what time and what part.
15:49 < aestetix> Probably a bit after 6pm
15:49 <@Evilpig> we have a tour on wednesday so my tuesday is kinda fucked
15:49 < aestetix> off 42nd, that's where my friend works
15:50 <@Dagmar> NoPants Tuesday?
15:50 <@Dagmar> ...or was that Shirtless Thursdays?
15:52 < aestetix> Evilpig: the worst is when an engineer is made a manager
15:52 < aestetix> And they can't handle the stress, so they start getting aggro on eveyone
15:52 <@Evilpig> i've said all along that most tech people make horrible managers
15:53 < aestetix> here's an exchange that just happened
15:53 < aestetix> "I'm just trying to figure out how to prioritize" "What, the levels aren't enough for you?" "Well, I tend to like having a deadline and a way to denote how long it'll take"
15:53 < aestetix> "your deadline is asap" "uh...."
15:54 <@Dagmar> evilpig: Hey this may be a dumb question, but does the Raspbian you have have *perl* on it?
15:54 <@Evilpig> sec lemme check
15:55 <@Evilpig> wilbur@PiRelay ~ $ which perl
15:55 <@Evilpig> /usr/bin/perl
15:55 <@Evilpig> yes
15:55 <@Evilpig> looks like yes to cpan as well
15:56 <@Dagmar> Which version of perl?
15:56 <@Dagmar> >= 5.9
15:56 <@Dagmar> ?
15:56 <@Evilpig> quick way to get the version
15:56 <@Evilpig> ?
15:56 <@Dagmar> --version or -V IIRC
15:57 <@Evilpig> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2
15:57 <@Evilpig> This is perl 5, version 14, subversion 2 (v5.14.2) built for arm-linux-gnueabihf-thread-multi-64int
15:57 <@Dagmar> okay good.  Fuck trying to parse this tcpdump output in bash then
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16:24 < aestetix> Evilpig: shall I assume you are not available tomorrow? No worries either way.
16:24 <@Evilpig> probably not
16:24 < aestetix> ok
16:24 <@Evilpig> in the middle of a chassis swap atm
16:26 <@Evilpig> can a failing backplane or drive controller trigger a smart error?
16:27 <@Evilpig> I'm inclined to say no
16:27 <@Evilpig> the smart function is all in the control on the drive itself and is independant of the controller, isn't it?
16:29 <@Evilpig> wake up bitches!
16:30 <@Mirage> So far as I know SMART is in the drive..monitoring it is the the motherboard or by software
16:31 <@Evilpig> okay that's what I thought and that's what I said
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16:39 <@rattle> The NSA backdoored my ROT13 implementation.
16:40 <@Evilpig> better than backdooring you
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16:59 < aestetix> oh shit
16:59 < aestetix> rattle: time to wipe your systems
17:04 < aestetix> man
17:04 < aestetix> rackspace is really sucking balls tonight
17:04 <@Evilpig> aestetix: how much? 
17:04 < aestetix> at least one
17:04 < aestetix> maybe 1.5
17:05 <@Evilpig> if they aren't gonna service both i'm not paying
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17:54 < aestetix> god I love reddi
17:54 < aestetix> there is this innocent comment on a thread I just read
17:54 < aestetix> but the username is GAY_WEED_DAD_69
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17:55 < Synx|afk> in other news google hangouts is the shit
17:56 < Synx|afk> i had to dump my company lync system for hangouts today because the lync call voice quality was so terrible
17:56 <@oddball> Naienko and I did use hangouts while planning our wedding.
17:56 < aestetix> Synx|afk: except that you have to use Google
17:56 < Synx|afk> well that aside ya its awesome and leaps and bounds better than skype or lync
17:57 < Synx|afk> though it is very limited in terms of screen sharing tool
17:57 < Synx|afk> ok im out
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17:58 <@benthemeek> Ware is pissing people off on the nlug list
17:58 <@benthemeek> Seems he can't go anywhere without that happening these days
17:59 < aestetix> benthemeek: why don't they give him a doggy treat to make him shut up
18:00 <@benthemeek> I think the trolling has become such a habbit it just has replaced the diplomatic part of the brain
18:02 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: Not any longer.  I put ware in timeout.
18:03 <@Bahhumbug> That wasn't trolling, that was being an abusive asshole.
18:03 <@Bahhumbug> And there is no place for that shit on that list.  Fuck him.
18:08 <@benthemeek> Bahhumbug: Its hard to tell with him but his last comment about forgetting how to ifconfig eth0 seemed pretty trollish to me ;)
18:09 < RangerZ> i'll admit I had to look up the argument list(really just order) for ifconfig
18:09 < RangerZ> yesterday, b/c I hardly ever use it
18:09 < RangerZ> but you just google it...
18:12 < aestetix> what do you mean he forgot how to use ifconfig
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> I saw the initial "shut the fuck up" and promptly killed the rest of his crap in that thread.
18:16 <@benthemeek> aestetix: his last comment was "Chris - Please don't unsubscribe me.  I am still learning to use Google and
18:16 <@benthemeek> have found this community to be very useful when I forget how to ifconfig
18:16 <@benthemeek> eth0 on my bootstrapped gentoo stage 1"
18:18 <@anarchival> Social consensus through the blockchain? http://static.squarespace.com/static/51fb043ee4b0608e46483caf/t/52c9c500e4b03b30610ccdde/1388954880838/News%20Letter%2004%20-%20January%202014%20-%20Social%20Consensus.pdf
18:18 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: if you forget to reactivate him, I'm sure he wouldn't be missed.
18:22 <@Corydon76-work> I wouldn't be terribly surprised if someone eventually treats him like a zombie and he shows up with his head removed from his body
18:24 <@Bahhumbug> _I_ have no interest in unmoderating him; but there are quite a few others on the acl for the group.  And I'm sorta surprised, for various reasons, that I still am listed.
18:24 <@Bahhumbug> But in this instance, it worked out quite well.
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18:32 <@Corydon76-work> Ware is eventually going to piss off somebody with anger management issues
18:33 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect ware got beaten up daily after school.
18:33 <@Bahhumbug> Personally, I think those days should return.
18:34 <@Corydon76-work> Or someone takes a page out of last season's Criminal Minds, and sew his lips shut
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18:35 <@Bahhumbug> And we address the issue of his fingers how?
18:35 <@Bahhumbug> I am fond of a vice.
18:35 <@Corydon76-work> Well, if his lips are sewn shut, and he lives, he might get the message
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> I think you are over-estimating his common sense / intellect.
18:36 <@Corydon76-work> Maybe they have to fill his mouth with shit first
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> s/shit/quickset/
18:38 <@Corydon76-work> You were suggesting a vise to crush his fingers?
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> Err, vise, yes.  I suspect he has enough vices as it is.
18:40 <@Corydon76-work> An ultimately better punishment might be the demise of the supervisor in "Hannibal":  cutting out strands of his brain and feeding them to him
18:40 < aestetix> ware is the only person I know who somehow became less civilized as he got older
18:40 <@Bahhumbug> Works for me.
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18:41 <@Corydon76-work> I need to stop talking about this now.  As revolting as I find Ware, torture and dismembering is equally revolting, and my stomach is turning.
18:42 <@anarchival> My stomach is turning too, but it's because I've had too much caffeine today.
18:42 < aestetix> What about making ware eat his own intestines
18:43 <@Corydon76-work> YEAH SO ABOUT THAT LOCAL SPORTS TEAM....
18:44 < RangerZ> how about them 49ers
18:44 < RangerZ> lol
18:47 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck the 49ers.
18:47 <@Bahhumbug> But fuck the Packers more.
18:48 <@Corydon76-work> Fudge Packers?  ;-)
18:52 < aestetix> What about the Wares
18:56 < aestetix> I think the mascot for the Waves is a douche canoe
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19:00 <@anarchival> I secretly cheer for Green Bay. I am allowed at least one disloyalty.
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19:15 < RangerZ> holy hell... buying a laptop is a PITA
19:16 < RangerZ> I'm sorry, we don't make i7s with the top of the line graphics cards... in the same laptops
19:16 < RangerZ> ugh :/
19:16 <@sasquatc3> also check your not getting a U-series, that shit pissed me off
19:17 <@sasquatc3> bought one with a 4700MQ, and it was a good price, but had 2 of them die in the same manner so got a refund.  There is no one that makes an equivalent with an MQ series, they've all shifted to using U's, which have half the performance of an MQ
19:17 < RangerZ> u series?
19:17 <@sasquatc3> but sell it at the same price as an MQ proc
19:17 < RangerZ> eww
19:17 <@sasquatc3> its the ultrabook i7 processor line, but every manufacturer has been sticking them in normal laptops
19:17 <@sasquatc3> and selling them for the same price
19:17 <@sasquatc3> its pretty much half the performance of an M-series
19:18 <@sasquatc3> but most people wont notice, cause they just see i7 and think performance
19:18 < RangerZ> yeah
19:18 < RangerZ> i try to figure out GPU first
19:18 < RangerZ> that tends to help the most in narrowing down, I don't usually go for 'top'
19:19 < RangerZ> but its a nice way to cut out all the crap-ware systems
19:19 <@sasquatc3> ahh, for me I wanted processor performance first, gpu was an after thought as i wanted it more for audio work and then light gaming
19:21 < RangerZ> I already know I want an i7, b/c of quad core
19:22 < RangerZ> honeslty, I just got told "just spec out a laptop, price isn't really an issue"
19:22 <@sasquatc3> again, another reason to avoid the U's, they are physical dual cores (with only hyperthreaded quads) and again sold as i7's
19:23 < RangerZ> i'll be doing programming, and compiling/etc on it, and want to test out amd's mantle stuff maybe (which is why I want the good GPU)
19:24 < RangerZ> though to be honest, I need to see 'which' mobile support it... if any
19:24 < RangerZ> i've just been asuming the newest does... i should double check that
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19:30 < RangerZ> yeah it looks like the HD 8000M series does , since it is GCN based
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19:36 < Warcop> damn everyone freaks out around here in winter
19:36 < Warcop> a low of 9, big deal
19:36 <@oddball> Well, it is about as cold as it gets down here.
19:37 < Warcop> yeah, but it isn't like it stays this cold
19:37 <@oddball> That's actually my complaint.  I wish it would make up its mind as to what it's going to be.
19:38 <@oddball> Wait... you in Nashville?
19:39 <@oddball> but yeah... this whole "it was 57 yesterday, it's currently 8, and it should be in the 40's by Wednesday" is hell on my sinuses.
19:40 < Warcop> south side of Atl
19:40 < RangerZ> well cold snaps are just god's way of proving that climate change isn't happening
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19:40 < RangerZ> just ask Faux news ;)
19:40 < aestetix> vagina
19:41 < RangerZ> aestetix: did you enjoy your NJ-day ?
19:41 <@oddball> RangerZ: It's been doing this all bloody winter for us.
19:42 <@oddball> Not quite to this extreme, but...
19:42 < RangerZ> the 'best' is to go running in this weather
19:42  * RangerZ ahhh.... HS wresting practices....
19:43 <@oddball> heh
19:43 <@oddball> Well, you know... you and your wrestling buddies could then warm up by rolling around together. :p
19:44 < aestetix> RangerZ: NJ-day?
19:44 < aestetix> I get to spend all day tomorrow here too
19:44 < RangerZ> actually... knowing wrestling is actually a surprising turn on for a lot of girls
19:45 < RangerZ> probably that same romantic idea that lead to so many 50 shades books being sold
19:45 < RangerZ> whether or not its true, lol
19:46 < SuMo_D_> I used to love Brazilian JuJitsu...
19:46 < RangerZ> You just have to remember to let the girl 'win'
19:46 < SuMo_D_> I made a trainer from Gold's Gym cry once though... which was kinda hilarious but kinda sad and feel a little bad about it still
19:46 < RangerZ> and let her pin you... which isn't a loss.... lol
19:46 < SuMo_D_> yeah... "let" them win... right...
19:46 < SuMo_D_> he was so pissed... definitely no letting anybody win...
19:48 < RangerZ> lol
19:48 < RangerZ> we had a guy in 8th grade who had to wrestle a girl at a match
19:48 < RangerZ> sucked for him
19:48 <@Bahhumbug> I don't find the fact that you're a cheesehead all that surprising.
19:48 < RangerZ> because it was a lose/lose situation
19:49 < RangerZ> he either lost to a girl... or he beat up a girl.... lol
19:50 < RangerZ> green bay, the most socialist of all the socialist NFL franchises
19:50 <@Bahhumbug> Cheeeheads
19:50 <@Bahhumbug> sigh
19:50 <@Bahhumbug> Cheeseheads
19:50 < aestetix> thanks netflix
19:50 < aestetix> for once again not having a movie you had a year ago
19:50  * aestetix goes to bittorrent
19:50 < SuMo_D_> yeah I wanted to be on the wrestling team... cause I did BJJ as part of my Jeet Kon Do
19:51 < SuMo_D_> and yeah... the coach wouldn't allow it... and then mom got pissed at me for trying
19:51 <@oddball> heh
19:51 < SuMo_D_> cause yeah... small school, wrestling... already unstable people... probably was the right call..
19:51 < RangerZ> until 7th grade or so, girls are stronger than guys in wrestling, then upper body muscle starts to build on guys... and its over (generally, there are always exceptions)
19:53 < SuMo_D_> I did have one kid... who came up behind me and tried to give me a hug around the neck, kinda jokingly... and I flipped him... in the middle of the school cafeteria
19:53 < SuMo_D_> my best friend told me later he had a crush on me.... which I think was the only guy that ever had a crush on me that I knew of in HS... and yeah felt bad...still feel bad about that one too
19:54 < RangerZ> SuMo_D_: lets just declare it publicly... you feel bad for the times you beat up boys
19:54 < SuMo_D_> pretty much
19:54 < SuMo_D_> except maybe my brother...
19:54 < SuMo_D_> maybe...
19:54 < RangerZ> I wouldn't be surprised if you used to go around an punch boys you liked
19:54 < SuMo_D_> depends on which time
19:54 < RangerZ> or kicked* maybe
19:54 <@oddball> Hey, instincts made me *almost* smash a kid's head into the floor when I was working at an aftercare program.
19:54 <@Dagmar> keeerist this weather sucks
19:54 < SuMo_D_> I didn't really notice boys till my mid 20s
19:55 < RangerZ> and?
19:55 < RangerZ> that doesn't mean you didn't go around punching them
19:55 < SuMo_D_> true
19:55 < RangerZ> I met my ex in a fenching class
19:55 < RangerZ> fencing*
19:56 <@oddball> It was actually a nice kid, but he was very physically friendly (hugged everyone).  He ran up and jumped on my back to give me a hug.  Next thing I know, I was throwing him over my shoulder.
19:56 < SuMo_D_> oddball yeah as I grew up it got better... but when I was younger it was like... don't touch me... something will happen... now I have nerve damage so freak out in a different way when people touch me without warning
19:56 < SuMo_D_> lol oddball exactly
19:56 < SuMo_D_> that's what it was like with that other kid.... but he was so tall the hug went around my neck
19:57 <@oddball> Fortunately, I realized what was going on in time and he was light enough that I caught him.  He thought it was great.
19:57 <@oddball> I told him to never do that again, and went to sit down for a while.
19:58 < SuMo_D_> lol yep
20:00 < SuMo_D_> I had a guy moon me and shove me in a bar here last fall... so I turned around and hit him in the chest and pushed him back... I still had my cane back then... that's about as far of a fight as I've gotten into lately
20:00 < SuMo_D_> he was a drunk as shit older frat boy
20:00 < SuMo_D_> he was trying to moon his friend... I should add that in too... he was just not sure where his friend was, and so I got it instead
20:01 < RangerZ> SuMo_D_: OBVIOUSLY, you need to be in here more
20:02 < RangerZ> because fights be a breaking out constantly
20:02 < SuMo_D_> ha... no...
20:02 < RangerZ> hehe
20:02 < SuMo_D_> I used to kickbox every day before I got sick but now I've got way too much nerve damage for that shit :(
20:02 <@Evilpig> 3 god damned hours!
20:02 <@Evilpig> mother fucker!
20:03 < RangerZ> what?
20:03 < RangerZ> until you go home?
20:03 < SuMo_D_> for what Evilpig?
20:03 < RangerZ> until you die?
20:03 <@Evilpig> there better be bodies, plural, strewn across southbound US1 right now
20:03 < RangerZ> until you turn into a girl?
20:03 < RangerZ> ohh... drive home
20:03 <@Evilpig> SB US1 is completely fucking shut down.  so all the traffic clogged every side street for three miles in any direction of that road
20:04 < RangerZ> this is the reason why i fucking hate that google merged navigate and maps
20:04 < SuMo_D_> Evilpig my friend in Hoboken just posted this up https://drafthouse.com/movies/caged-the-nicolas-cage-movie-marathon/nyc_area
20:04 < GateKeeper> Title: CAGED: THE NICOLAS CAGE MARATHON | Yonkers | Alamo Drafthouse Cinema (at drafthouse.com)
20:04 < RangerZ> navigate had fucking amazing widets, that would tell you the drive time for certain routes home
20:04 < RangerZ> and you just had to tap them, for them to update
20:04 <@Evilpig> 10 miles to drive hom, I drove 7 of them in about 15 minutes or so.  the last 2 and a half were spent stuck
20:04 < SuMo_D_> my friend recommends wayz I think it is?
20:05 < SuMo_D_> sorry dude that's rough boo traffic!
20:05 <@Evilpig> My gps knew about it, there was no way around due to where my apt is
20:05 <@oddball> SuMo_D_: Too much nerve damage to even hit the heavy bag, etc?
20:05 < SuMo_D_> oddball yep :(
20:06 <@oddball> suck
20:06 < SuMo_D_> very much
20:06 < SuMo_D_> but at least I can walk without it feeling like burning glass now
20:06 <@oddball> This is good.
20:06 < SuMo_D_> but yeah... it sucks with impact... so absolutely no kicking of bags
20:06 <@Evilpig> DOWNED WIRES ON US 1 NORTHBOUND AREA OF COMMERCE BLVD (NORTH BRUNSWICK TWP) RIGHT LANE CLOSED FOR REPAIRS 25-30 MINUTE DELAY.
20:07 < RangerZ> hopefully some of that nerve-regrowth treatments they are working on, will work for you at some point in the future
20:07 < SuMo_D_> and I've been having issues lately where I had my spinal taps... and I had 12 of them... which is where you need to twist when you punch or kick... :/
20:07 <@Evilpig> downed wires on nb and four lanes of the sb closed down.  WTF?!?
20:07 < aestetix> vagina
20:07 <@Evilpig> I did finally break down and load uber today though
20:07 <@oddball> ew.. yeah... sorry... I tend to think of nerve damage being "no signal," not misfires.
20:08 <@Evilpig> aestetix: get uber before you come if you don't already have it
20:08 < SuMo_D_> yeah that'd be neat RangerZ... but we'll see... I have such complicated medical shit... its kinda like... try to find a happy place and stay there...
20:08 < SuMo_D_> yeah oddball I wish
20:08 < aestetix> why would I use uber?
20:08 <@Evilpig> it's useful as fuck
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20:08 < SuMo_D_> I've been getting fuckin' bee stingers all week... just out of nowhere like AHHH!!!
20:08 < RangerZ> cheaper than taxi
20:08 < SuMo_D_> and its like right... nerves...
20:08 < aestetix> I don't have a smartphone
20:08 < RangerZ> he doesn't want tracked
20:08 <@Evilpig> well that makes it more difficult
20:09 <@Evilpig> uber allows ride/fair sharing.  they'll send a car right to you, etc
20:09 < RangerZ> the ankle bracelet time he had... left bad thoughts in his head ;)
20:09 <@Evilpig> and it's cheaper than most cabs
20:10 < SuMo_D_> I've been doing Cranial Sacrial Therapy and its been helping a lot gotten me past using a cane, and yeah I feel like I recently made another major shift... so... here's to hoping reflexology is the shit too...
20:11 < RangerZ> so... it looks like AMD keeps the good video cards for the laptops that have AMD CPUs only
20:11 < SuMo_D_> should have been a comma in there after hoping
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20:13 <@Evilpig> SuMo_D_: what do you think of that freaky blood spinning treatment they are doing in germany now?
20:14 <@Evilpig> almost every report on it says it's almost like a miracle drug for nearly all major injuries
20:14 < SuMo_D_> Evilpig haven't heard of it... but sounds like it'd be related to plasma pheresis which they've been doing for years
20:14 <@Evilpig> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-spinning
20:14 < GateKeeper> Title: Blood-spinning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
20:15 < SuMo_D_> I almost had something they wanted to do it with me on, but luckily got over it... cause having my blood removed, put in a centrifuge and hit with light and then reintegrated into me taking 5 hours a day didn't sound like fun
20:15 <@Evilpig> might be worth it though if it really helps
20:16 < SuMo_D_> There's some amazing progression in treatments of blood cancer and blood borne illness
20:16 < SuMo_D_> yeah well... you do get to a point where you get so sick you'll be happy with anything that works
20:17 < SuMo_D_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmapheresis
20:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Plasmapheresis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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20:18 < SuMo_D_> sounds similar
20:19 < SuMo_D_> actually sounds more just like a platelet transfusion....
20:19 < SuMo_D_> which... I've had like 15 of those
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20:29 < Peaches> Hello
20:30 < SuMo_D_> hi Peaches!
20:30 < SuMo_D_> how's it going?
20:32 < Peaches> I am good here at work
20:32 < Peaches> You?
20:32 < SuMo_D_> goooooood
20:32 < SuMo_D_> tired - been a long day
20:33 < SuMo_D_> but got a lot done :)
20:33 < RangerZ> Peaches: be careful of SuMo_D she punches every guy she likes
20:34 < RangerZ> it might 'look' like she's coming in for a hug...
20:34 < RangerZ> but its a trap
20:34 < RangerZ> lol
20:34 < RangerZ> -_-
20:36 < Peaches> Lol
20:36 < Peaches> Ya we're dead slow here
20:36 < SuMo_D_> lol
20:37 <@Dagmar> It's becuse everything's frozen
20:38 < Peaches> Yep
20:38 < Peaches> So are these peoples rude attitudes
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20:48 < SuMo_D_> Peaches where do you work? do you work with the public?
20:49 < Peaches> Yes I work for Clark's shoe company
20:51 < SuMo_D_> ah, cool
20:51 < SuMo_D_> they make nice shoes :)
20:52 < SuMo_D_> but yeah... man... anything retail... requires patience for assholes that don't have other outlets for their frustrations :?
20:52 < SuMo_D_> at least you think about the fact that this happened http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pastafarian-sworn-in-wearing-colander-town-council
20:52 < GateKeeper> Title: Pastafarian Sworn Into Office Wearing A Colander (PHOTO) (at talkingpointsmemo.com)
20:52 < Peaches> Yep
20:58 < Peaches> Mmm
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21:08 < Peaches> No customers in over 2 hrs
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21:30 < aestetix> Ok so
21:30 < aestetix> I have a stupid theory
21:30 < aestetix> If we just had a summer of record heat, and now we're getting record cold
21:30 < aestetix> Does that have something to do with the earth's tilt?
21:44 <@Evilpig> aestetix: just more proof we really don't fully understand how the weather works
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23:04 < aestetix> ok
23:05 < aestetix> who wants to review my stab at creating an online nym source
23:05 < aestetix> SuMo_D_: I'm looking at you
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23:10 <@sdodson> aestetix, nym?
23:11 < aestetix> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fhoem3l0z6nowpp/nymintro.mp4
23:11 < aestetix> sdodson: watch it
23:11 < SuMo_D_> oh! me me me!
23:12 < SuMo_D_> this day just keeps getting better :)
23:12 < aestetix> it's a bit dodgy near the end, but hey it's a start
23:13 <@sdodson> such a melodic voice
23:13 < aestetix> uh
23:13 < aestetix> sdodson: sorry you're not my type
23:13  * sdodson flags the video for copyright violations in retribution
23:15 <@sdodson> aestetix, you mean aestetix isn't your legal name?
23:15 < SuMo_D_> Loves!
23:16 < aestetix> SuMo_D_: is it ok?
23:16 < SuMo_D_> I might want to tinker with your typography a bit
23:16 < aestetix> SuMo_D_: well yeah
23:16 < aestetix> this is the definition of "thrown together"
23:16 < SuMo_D_> and you're right it does kinda get a bit odd at the end, but its great
23:16 <@sdodson> Is that a euphemism?
23:16 < SuMo_D_> really nice intro :D
23:16 < SuMo_D_> you're getting better at refining and communicating this
23:16 < aestetix> yay!
23:17 < SuMo_D_> :D
23:17 < aestetix> ok hold on
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23:17 <@aestetix> ahh that felt good
23:17 < SuMo_D_> ha
23:17 < SuMo_D_> what'd you do that for?
23:17 <@aestetix> he was asking for it
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23:18 < SuMo_D_> k
23:18 < SuMo_D_> aestetix! guess what!
23:18 <@aestetix> sdodson: that' what you get for looking at me funny
23:18 <@aestetix> uh what
23:18 < SuMo_D_> guess who got a laser cutter today
23:18 < SuMo_D_> THIS GIRL
23:18 <@sdodson> aestetix, don't dagmar me bro
23:18 <@aestetix> when did Dagmar become a verb
23:18 <@sdodson> RIGHT NAO!
23:18 <@sdodson> bro
23:19 < SuMo_D_> Also got our display built for the kids light panels!!! :D
23:19 <@oddball> SuMo_D_: nice!
23:19 < SuMo_D_> setting it up tomorrow
23:20 < SuMo_D_> also the light diffuser acrylic is SO AWESOME and going to work perfectly for our protype we're building :D
23:20 < SuMo_D_> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=376172249186532&set=a.254070851396673.1073741826.216086311861794&type=1&theater
23:20 < GateKeeper> Title: Timeline Photos (at www.facebook.com)
23:20 < SuMo_D_> that's the kids light panels
23:21 <@aestetix> sdodson: who's butt would you rather stick your finger up: Dagmar or Evilpig?
23:22 < SuMo_D_> wwww
23:22 < SuMo_D_> ewwww
23:22 <@aestetix> SuMo_D_: don't say that about sdodson's finger, it'll make him feel bad
23:23 < SuMo_D_> oh, wouldn't want that...
23:23 <@sdodson> aestetix, i wish to abstain
23:24 <@aestetix> no no no
23:24 <@aestetix> you have to quote bartleby
23:24 <@aestetix> "I would prefer not to."
23:24 < SuMo_D_> :)
23:25 < SuMo_D_> so here's a question somebody in here might be able to answer... why do cards in Europe have chips in them and ours don't ?
23:25 <@aestetix> SuMo_D_: money
23:26 < SuMo_D_> how so with the money? protecting the money? they're just richer and like chips
23:26 <@aestetix> well, it's money, distribution, equipment costs, etc
23:26 <@aestetix> No, cost of manufacturing the chips.
23:26 <@aestetix> Also, giving people smart chips when stores aren't equipped to use them is pointless
23:26 <@aestetix> So there also has to be mass adoption
23:26 <@aestetix> So, the other thing that factors here is the law
23:26 <@Dagmar> Because Americans would rather sue each other over obscure patents than actually put new technology to use
23:27 <@aestetix> Europeans have very strict laws over how data can be handled. In the US, we only have protection over health care, financial, and a few other things.
23:27 <@Dagmar> ...and with that in mind it would cost too much money for all the US CC vendors to settle on one standard to handle basically ALL TEH MONIES and get all those CC readers upgraded
23:27 <@aestetix> IE there is far greater penalties for identity fraud and/or theft in Europe than in the US
23:27 <@aestetix> Dagmar: right, that oo
23:28 < SuMo_D_> all makes sense
23:28 <@sdodson> Anything exciting from CES today?
23:28 <@aestetix> There's also distribution issues.
23:28 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yeah I've thought about it, and it looks like we can't have a standard because anyone who attempts to develop a "standard" will find themselves on the pointy end of about four thousand bogus patent violation lawsuits
23:28 <@aestetix> IE once banks have all adopted this, they have to distribute the new cards to everyone.
23:29 <@aestetix> Dagmar: the other issue is that if there's a standard, everyone adopts it, and then it turns out the standard had an issue. Suddenly everyone is fucked.
23:29 <@Dagmar> Oh no, the patent lawsuits are a much bigger problem
23:29 <@aestetix> Plus, standards are determined by NIST, a government entity, and a lot of free market capitalists have big issues with government telling them what to do.
23:29 <@Dagmar> The company that steps forward _is_ fucked, no matter what
23:29 <@aestetix> Dagmar: yep[
23:29 <@Dagmar> There's no possibility that they *might* come up with something flawed
23:30 <@aestetix> SuMo_D_: that's been a HUGE point of contention with NSTIC
23:30 <@sdodson> WTF is up with all these dual boot Windows / Android tablets?
23:30 <@Dagmar> ...because they *will* be sued into oblivion like ReplayTV
23:30 <@aestetix> Because NSTIC is full of companies trying to get their technology adopted as the standard
23:30 < SuMo_D_> interesting
23:30 <@Dagmar> The lawsuits will never end, either.
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23:31 <@Dagmar> There will always be a new troll firm deciding they've got some patent that is indirectly applicable to something, wanting a piece of ALL TEH MUNNIES
23:31 < SuMo_D_> just saw somebody post a card with a chip, and remembered when I had European bank accounts I had them, and then what a pain in the ass it is traveling without them....
23:31 <@Dagmar> We can barely make cell phones now as it is
23:31 <@aestetix> yep
23:31 < SuMo_D_> and was thinking you just got back from Germany
23:31 <@aestetix> SuMo_D_: the other thing is that chip makes US debit cards incompatible with ATMs in many countrie
23:31 <@aestetix> I ran into this when I was in holland
23:32 < SuMo_D_> yeah
23:32 < SuMo_D_> I've had that issue
23:32 <@Dagmar> In case you haven't noticed, little shitty shops from China have been spewing out gadgets with more convergence and features than anything in the states, on shoestring budgets, for about a decade now
23:32 <@Dagmar> ...because they just don't give a fuck.
23:32 <@aestetix> yep
23:32 <@aestetix> Patents and copyright are basically killing the US right now
23:33 <@aestetix> ok now I'm depressed
23:33 <@aestetix> I will remedy this with some Fawlty Towers
23:33 <@aestetix> don't talk about the war
23:35 <@aestetix> heh
23:36 <@aestetix> every article I read on ellsberg reminds me of when he was next to me and drunkenly cracking nixon jokes
23:36 <@anarchival> aestetix: You started it.
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