--- Log opened Fri Jan 03 00:00:04 2014 --- Day changed Fri Jan 03 2014 00:00 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avu5NT1ZYT8 00:00 < GateKeeper> Title: SHUT THE FUCK UP - Feat. BIG RED (Live at the university of Toronto) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:00 < aestetix> this is actually not a bad song 00:01 <@anarchival> I am now faced with a decision of smiling and acting professionally or saying fuuuuuuck yoooouuuuu you passive aggressive sonofabitch. 00:01 <@anarchival> I shouldn't have checked my email. :/ 00:01 <@anarchival> I'll answer him tomorrow. Tomorrow is another day. 00:01 < aestetix> anarchival: tell him to check his privilege. 00:01 <@Dagmar> It's amazing how many emails are accidentally deleted each year by people who accidentally had the wrong window focused 00:02 <@anarchival> Eat me, aestetix. 00:02 < aestetix> dongle 00:02 <@anarchival> *rolls her eyes* 00:02 <@Dagmar> aestetix: All the leadership we need https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O60atA59xgE 00:02 < GateKeeper> Title: Even women are standing up to the hypocrisy of feminism - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:05 <@anarchival> Here's a bedtime story for you boys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-vDYOpkoWE 00:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Go The Fuck To Sleep - Narrated by Samuel L. Jackson. - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:06 < aestetix> Dagmar: she's cute 00:06 <@Dagmar> My impression of Jenna Marbles just went up a couple notches 00:06 < aestetix> Who is Jenna Marbles? 00:06 <@Dagmar> THat blogger 00:06 <@Dagmar> She's got a channel 00:06 <@Wilpig> a cam whore that doesn't strip 00:07 <@Dagmar> You didn't notice her logo thing? 00:07 < aestetix> awww 00:07 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: Well, for now 00:07 <@Dagmar> I like her dogs 00:07 <@Wilpig> she is in LA now, i think. so porn is possible. 00:08 <@anarchival> She does have a helpful video on how to make your tits look better without surgery or good genes, though. 00:09 <@anarchival> s/video/PSA 00:10 <@Dagmar> *Most* of the time she's kinda shallow 00:10 <@Dagmar> Occasionally she's just a bitter bitch 00:10 <@Wilpig> her image sells and that's what she wants 00:11 <@Dagmar> I would normally not give her another thought except she's friends with Harto, who I love to death 00:11 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Actually I suspect that's why she's a bitter bitch when she's acting that way 00:11 <@anarchival> So what you're saying is, people watch her for her personality. 00:11 <@Dagmar> She is clearly unhappy that she went to college and this weblog thing is what's getting her money 00:11 <@Wilpig> I thought she was making money from modeling? but this weblog thing just kinda took off 00:12 <@Dagmar> No, mainly teenage boys watch because she's very careful about picking the most revealing thumbnails possible for her videos 00:12 <@Dagmar> Secondarily to that she's usually funny, and not bad on the eys 00:14 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 00:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 00:14 < aestetix> So which is meaner 00:15 < aestetix> farting silently on a bus and letting everyone else discover the stench on their own 00:15 < aestetix> or farting loudly on the bus and starting at the person next to you with a smile, while they suffer? 00:15 <@Dagmar> A smart man would hold it until just before their stop. 00:15 < aestetix> Oh, and do the glanceback as he's getting off the bus? 00:15 <@Dagmar> ...which would be meaner than both of those things. 00:16 <@Dagmar> Although Jenna tries really hard, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq7G-Q9ZwC0 is funnier 00:16 < GateKeeper> Title: My Drunk Kitchen Ep. 1: Butter Yo Shit - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:16 <@Dagmar> ...and Harto is willing to risk cirrhosis to entertain 00:17 <@Wilpig> I love my drunk kitchen 00:17 <@Dagmar> It's _great_ 00:19 <@anarchival> Seriously a dude who got me banned from a conference at which I was scheduled to speak just asked for my help on his upcoming conference talk. 00:19 <@anarchival> W-T-F 00:20 <@Dagmar> Suggest to him that five hits of LSd is a wonderful way to prepare 00:20 < aestetix> god 00:20 <@anarchival> Dagmar is right. I definitely definitely definitely should not reply to that email. 00:20 < aestetix> candy crush level 88 00:20 < aestetix> insane 00:21 < aestetix> wait 00:21 < aestetix> got you banned from a conference? 00:21 < aestetix> wtf 00:21 < RangerZ> huh? 00:21 < aestetix> can you share more details? 00:21 < RangerZ> *scrolls up* 00:21 <@Dagmar> Heh. She's the first person in awhile to realize that I'm actually suggesting something else separate from the worst possible thing I just suggested 00:22 * Dagmar polishes his horns 00:22 < RangerZ> damn horny Dagmar 00:22 <@Dagmar> Ummm no 00:22 <@Wilpig> exactly how did he get you banned? 00:22 < RangerZ> hehe 00:22 <@oddball> anarchival: I would be highly tempted to... "help" him. 00:23 < RangerZ> yeah, tell him you'll make the slides 00:23 < RangerZ> like "whose slide is it anyways" 00:23 <@Wilpig> making slides for someone could be alot of fun to see how many ways you could embed a secret goatse 00:23 <@anarchival> Have any of you heard of Coderfaire? 00:23 <@anarchival> It's a local PHP conference. 00:23 <@oddball> randomly through in a "chicken chicken chicken" slide to see if he's paying attention. 00:23 < aestetix> nope 00:23 <@Wilpig> yup 00:24 < RangerZ> you 'CAN' make time changed MS docx so that the pics change 5minutes before his talk 00:24 <@Wilpig> when it came up last I looked at it and decided not to go 00:24 <@Dagmar> I avoid the country music festivals as wel 00:24 < RangerZ> there are country music festivals in Nashivlle? 00:24 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: That would be naughty 00:24 <@anarchival> I was scheduled to speak this year, on Elixir. I got banned a couple weeks ahead of time. 00:24 <@anarchival> It's a long story. 00:24 < RangerZ> who did you shiv? 00:25 < aestetix> Was it your fault, or did you get screwed over? 00:25 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Yes, I generally think of them as Ignorance & Mediocrity Festivals. 00:25 <@anarchival> Basically the conference organizer offered to set me up on date to the shooting range with the keynote speaker, who happens to also be a rape apologist. 00:25 < RangerZ> OHHH those 00:25 <@anarchival> I replied I do not go on dates with rape apologists (this was on Twitter). 00:25 < aestetix> ..... 00:25 < aestetix> Did you ask to be set up on a date? 00:25 < RangerZ> yeah... Music Row shuts down a couple times a year for those Ignorance festivals 00:25 <@oddball> And going to the gun range with one would be especially bad. 00:26 <@anarchival> All hell broke loose, of course. A few other dudes jumped in. After a few hours, I tweeted that when the revolution comes I will personally pleasure them all with my twelve inch dildo. 00:26 <@anarchival> Then, someone (not me, really) registered on their blogs under my pseudonym and posted actual death threats. Like, real ones. 00:26 < RangerZ> she reserves the use of the 18" one for herself 00:26 <@anarchival> So they banned me. And tripled security. Which I thought was pretty damn hilarious. 00:26 < RangerZ> ...what... conference was this? 00:27 < aestetix> So wait 00:27 < aestetix> Did you ask to be set up on a date? 00:27 <@anarchival> They memorialized this all on a blog post, but once they figured out the death threats didn't come from me they took it down. 00:27 <@anarchival> It's a damn shame, too, because the blog post itself was some fucking comedy. 00:27 <@Dagmar> heh 00:29 < aestetix> Me is confused 00:29 < RangerZ> what _was_ your talk on 00:29 <@anarchival> I did not ask to be set up on a date, no. 00:29 < RangerZ> at what confrence 00:29 < RangerZ> and 'who' hit on you? 00:29 <@Corydon76-home> Coderfaire isn't a PHP conference 00:29 < aestetix> anarchival: then why the fuck did they make an offer like that 00:29 <@anarchival> I tweeted a link to a blog post by Mandy Standt about a date she went on to a gun range, with the comment "nothing like the sweet smell of gunpowder in the morning" 00:29 <@anarchival> He then offered to set me up on the date. 00:30 <@Dagmar> Hmm... 00:30 <@Corydon76-home> And why did Cal offer to set you up on a date? 00:30 < RangerZ> maybe he thinks she needs a man in her life ? 00:30 <@Dagmar> It's possible they were providing you with a situation in which someone might get "slightly" shot. 00:30 <@anarchival> This was after I had privately contacted the conference organizers about the blog the keynoter linked to in his bio having a category on Women that was nothing but rape apology like "WTF is this shit?" and they replied with "shrug" 00:30 <@Corydon76-home> Cal is married. I think he knows better than to offer to set anyone up on a date. 00:31 <@anarchival> My talk was on Elixir, which is Ruby-fied Erlang. 00:31 < RangerZ> then _he_ was probably joking, but it didn't get taken that way 00:31 < aestetix> I mean 00:31 <@anarchival> It had an Alice in Wonderland theme, which I thought was particularly clever. I'd already given it once at NashFP. 00:31 < aestetix> rape apologist or not, it sounds like randomly offering to set you up on a date was really inappropriate 00:31 <@Corydon76-home> Cal also was up on that conference up in Ohio, run by some radical feminist 00:31 <@oddball> anarchival: Well, if you ever want to go to the range, let me know. full disclosure: I am not a rape apologist, and am married to a women that would kill me in my sleep if I went on a date with someone not her. :p 00:32 <@Dagmar> He does not lie. 00:32 <@Dagmar> Hell, it could happen _anyway_ 00:32 < aestetix> oddball: naienko? I definitely would not get on her bad side. 00:32 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: I wonder if the blog posts got cached by archive.org 00:32 <@anarchival> Excuse me: it used to be Coderfaire PHP, now it's just Coderfaire. 00:33 < RangerZ> I really wish archive.org had "please copy this now, because I'm afraid it'll get removed" option 00:33 <@Dagmar> So they're moving on to less silly languages then 00:33 <@anarchival> Corydon: My theory is that Cal was trolling me, but I really don't know. 00:33 < aestetix> That's a pretty stupid troll 00:33 < aestetix> And I mean, I ALWAYS defend a good troll 00:33 <@anarchival> Yes, aestetix. Thank you for recognizing that. 00:34 <@anarchival> It's not the first time Cal has ever gotten a woman banned from a conference, Corydon. Remember webandphp? 00:34 <@Corydon76-home> Nope 00:34 <@anarchival> Don't even get me started on some of the shit he's said to women around town. 00:34 <@anarchival> He's a Neanderthal. 00:34 < aestetix> Seems like that guy should not be organizing conferences 00:35 <@anarchival> I really do like to shoot. I was on the rifle team in college. 00:35 <@oddball> cool (about the rifle team) 00:35 < aestetix> I mean, even if you're not a feminist, or don't like them 00:35 <@anarchival> Corydon: Maybe. I don't care enough to check, but knock yourself out. 00:36 < aestetix> There is the logic that randomly offering to set a woman up on a date might piss off her boyfriend, who happens to be bigger than you. 00:36 < aestetix> Neanderthal logic, but still. 00:36 <@Corydon76-home> Was it actually on nashville.coderfaire.com? They have such a limited cache 00:36 <@anarchival> You want to know the really really funny thing? 00:37 <@anarchival> After PyCon, Cal asked me to explain why Codes of Conduct were a good idea, and I did. 00:37 <@anarchival> I was then banned under the Coderfaire Code of Conduct. 00:37 <@Corydon76-home> Irony 00:37 <@Dagmar> I still think we don't need one. 00:37 <@Dagmar> We have _violence_ to solve all our problems. 00:37 <@anarchival> Corydon: Yep, it was on their blog. I think they deleted it right after the conference. 00:37 <@Wilpig> we dont' 00:37 <@Dagmar> It's a motherfucking SOUTHERN TRADITION. 00:38 <@Corydon76-home> I don't think codes of conduct are a good idea. It's just a lawsuit waiting to happen 00:38 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: agreed 00:38 < aestetix> I think the CCC's code of conduct is the best I've seen 00:38 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: agreed 00:38 <@Dagmar> Someone acts like a masher? WE take 'em out back and kick 'em like a mexican gang initiation. 00:38 < aestetix> Which is basically "don't do anything inappropriate" 00:38 <@anarchival> It's a good idea to have something. I don't think the PyCon/ADA Code of Conduct is it. 00:38 <@Corydon76-home> I prefer Wil Wheaton's version: "Don't be a dick" 00:39 < aestetix> anarchival: the Ada code of conduct is awful. 00:39 < aestetix> I will not attend any conference that has their policy or any variant of it. 00:39 <@oddball> I have to agree with Corydon76-home 00:39 <@anarchival> Yep. Got violetblue banned too, and there will be others. 00:39 < RangerZ> ada CoC got tossed around for ACM conf. 00:39 < RangerZ> and got laughed out the room 00:39 <@anarchival> Censorship always hurts more women in the long run. 00:39 < aestetix> Right, you do NOT fuck with Violet Blue. 00:39 <@Corydon76-home> Because with that simple mantra, all you have to say is, "You're being a dick, dude" and everybody understands. 00:40 <@anarchival> Corydon: Are you a lawyer? 00:40 <@Corydon76-home> No, but as the longtime treasurer, it was my job to worry about the legalities 00:41 <@Corydon76-home> That's also why I'd like to take a break. I worry too much as it is. 00:41 <@anarchival> Well, you don't know what you're talking about. 00:41 < RangerZ> thank god Corydon76-home will be our treasurer for years to come ;) hehe 00:41 <@anarchival> Not having a policy sets you up for lawsuits, not the other way around. That's why most organizations have them, or are adopting them. 00:42 < aestetix> anarchival: I disagree. 00:42 < RangerZ> 'having' a code of conduct , says you are entering a legal written/verbal contract to provide those 'services' 00:42 < aestetix> If you say something on the ticket that's effectively "we are not responsible for. ...." 00:42 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: are you a lawyer? Because I believe you're mistaken. 00:42 <@oddball> Dragoncon has managed to survive for a good while dealing with lots of drunks with the "don't be a dick" rule. 00:43 < aestetix> Basically, a conference is dealing with so many things, the last thing they want is to be involved in shit like that. 00:43 <@anarchival> I'm not admitted to the Bar, but I've been to law school. I know a little something about liability. 00:43 < aestetix> Thus the "not our problem" statement. 00:43 <@Corydon76-home> The rule I've always heard is that policies are best when they determine what you will NOT do, and avoid saying what you WILL do. 00:43 <@anarchival> I'd be okay with using DragonCon's Code of Conduct. They do a decent job of handling their shit. 00:43 < aestetix> anarchival: example: Burning Man does not have a code of conduct. everything is basically said on the ticket. 00:44 < aestetix> Because man, if everyone sued burning man every time harassment happened there... 00:44 <@anarchival> No it doesn't, RangerZ. 00:44 <@Corydon76-home> Because when you say what you WILL do, you lose flexibility in handling a situation, and you set yourself up for a lawsuit on failing to observe your stated policies 00:45 <@oddball> anarchival: And they have a pretty damn vague set of rules. They basically read that if you manage to piss off the staff, they have the right to yank your badge and toss you. 00:45 <@anarchival> Conferences are already liable for what occurs at their event. That's why you're required to have insurance. 00:45 < aestetix> anarchival: that's if someone gets hurt because of something at the event. Like if you trip and hurt yourself on the speaker podium. 00:45 <@anarchival> Not having a policy informing your attendees they are expected to act according to certain standards means you have allowed them to do whatever they damn well please. Thus, incurring liability. 00:45 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: Unless you have people agree with a disclaimer that says you cannot be held liable 00:45 < aestetix> A conference can't control what attendees do. 00:45 <@anarchival> Don't try to logic your way through the law; the law is in no way logical. 00:46 < RangerZ> a SIGN saying you WILL do somehting... doesn't mean you are legally required to do so... ?? if someone thinks it DOES, then you still will get that lawsuit... .... whether or NOT you win is irrelevant, you're opening yourself up to hassle 00:46 <@Wilpig> We've always had a disclaimer that you are responsible for your own actions. It's worked fine for a decade 00:46 < aestetix> Wilpig: HOPE is basically the same way. 00:46 < RangerZ> PLUS... then why do places put up signs saying "not responsible for lost or damaged property" because there is LOTS of implied responsibility for people running/organizing events/spaces 00:46 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: yes, but we've gotten lax on having people verbally, consistently agree with the disclaimer, which is what gives it legal force 00:47 <@Wilpig> AND... EVERY single attendee had a copy of that policy on their person at every time during the weekend as well. 00:47 <@anarchival> You guys are knocking down straw men here based on what you're imagining a Code of Conduct is instead of what it actually is. 00:47 < RangerZ> a hassle? 00:47 < aestetix> anarchival: no, we're speaking from experience :) 00:48 < aestetix> anarchival: defining a code of conduct will result of a monthly email thread of trying to articulate what specific words in a code mean and whether they apply to some given situation. 00:48 <@Dagmar> This is where _violence_ is handy 00:48 < aestetix> In fact, I *just* had to deal with something like this during 30c3 00:48 <@anarchival> RangerZ: They're trying to limit their liability. Emphasis on the word trying. It doesn't necessarily work. 00:48 < RangerZ> actually ... it does 00:48 < RangerZ> and thats from my family's businesses 00:48 <@anarchival> Really that's more a risk management measure; the purpose of the sign is less legal and more a warning to people on the property to lock their shit up. 00:48 < RangerZ> which one _is_ a lawyer 00:48 <@oddball> Dagmar: I think they're trying to make it so that legal forces *don't* get involved. 00:49 < RangerZ> perhaps TN has less 'useful' laws, but in ohio, that signs makes the company NOT legally responsible 00:49 < RangerZ> unless the company _itself_ destroys/steals your stuff 00:49 <@anarchival> Well that's because nerds are dumb shits who can't just agree to common sense. ;) 00:50 <@Dagmar> BEATINGS! 00:50 <@Dagmar> No translator needed! 00:50 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: No, it's because nerds see something like that as a challenge to violate the spirit of without violating the verbiage 00:50 <@Wilpig> the common sense approach is "don't be a dick." 00:50 <@anarchival> Laws do vary by state, and it depends upon the nature of the business. 00:50 <@Dagmar> Simple assault is a misdemenor and a fine. 00:50 < RangerZ> skating rinks 00:51 <@anarchival> When I was practicing commercial real estate law for a major retail corporation, we did get lawsuits with similar facts, and the signage was not an absolute bar to the action. 00:51 < RangerZ> and an oil company 00:51 < RangerZ> but the skating rink is closer, b/c it hosts events, etc 00:51 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: NOTHING is a bar to the action 00:51 <@Wilpig> there is no bar to any action. you can sue for looking at me funny, doesn't mean i will get anywhere with it 00:51 < aestetix> You know 00:51 <@anarchival> I'm not sure how a Code of Conduct is supposed to transform who were once friendly conference organizers into fascists overnight. 00:52 <@Corydon76-home> You can be sued at any time for any reason by anybody 00:52 < aestetix> It's worth pointing out that generating lawsuits and language for them is in lawyer's best interests :) 00:52 <@Wilpig> anarchival: because all some people need is a little power to become an overbearing ass 00:53 <@anarchival> "Bar to the action" = automatic dismissal. 00:53 <@Corydon76-home> The bigger problem for anybody potentially suing us is that we have NO money to speak of. By the time they got finished paying their lawyer, they'd be in the negative. 00:53 <@anarchival> Yes, guys. I know. I went to law school and worked in law for six years. 00:53 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: We have a lawyer here in Nashville who just sued Apple for allowing porn onto his computer. The lawsuit was not immediately dismissed. 00:54 < aestetix> It's worth noting John Yoo is also a lawyer. 00:55 <@Corydon76-home> He also just sued A&E for dismissing Phil Robertson. The lawsuit was not immediately dismissed 00:55 <@Corydon76-home> Now, you agree that both lawsuits were without merit, and yet, neither were immediately dismissed. 00:56 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: just wait until tomorrow, then let se2600 get sued all it wants, once you are no longer legally liable 00:56 < RangerZ> ;) 00:56 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: can I mention that several friends of mine are either in prison or dead because of the CFAA? 00:56 <@anarchival> I guess I'd rather risk being banned for threatening to rape some dudes with a dildo when the revolution comes, than creating a con that very few women want to attend because dudes feel there aren't any consequences for harassing them. 00:56 <@anarchival> Other than Dagmar and I taking them out back and doing violence to them, of course. 00:56 < aestetix> anarchival: nobody said there aren't consequences. 00:57 < aestetix> In fact, if you need a code of conduct to make sure there are consequences, you are doing it wrong. 00:57 < aestetix> Keep in mind, a conference can tell someone to leave for any reason. 00:57 < RangerZ> there is no "consequences" to being an asshole in the constitution either, doesn't mean that it is ADVISED 00:57 <@anarchival> Yes, Corydon. Bullshit lawsuits go into litigation all the time. Which is exactly why it's important to limit one's liability as much as possible. 00:57 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Don't assume for a moment that I won't beat someone the fuck down for that 00:58 <@Dagmar> Like, I bullshit about a lot of things, but someone who drives the number of decent women in the environment down FOR ANY REASON is immediately on my shit list 00:58 <@anarchival> The lawyers are smarter at this than you are. Do what they recommend, and you're less likely to get screwed by one later on. 00:58 < aestetix> As a conference organizer, while I don't like someone being a dick, I also won't stop another person from giving the asshole a beatdown. 00:58 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: I don't know that we have that problem, though. 00:58 < aestetix> Except maybe I'll say "hey guys, take that outside" 00:58 < RangerZ> Dagmar: that is why we were so afraid this sept/oct of you killing people at vandy 00:58 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: On that, I'll agree, and that means getting people to verbally agree with the disclaimer 00:58 <@Dagmar> Bouncers have taught me an appreciation for tossing assholes for distance 00:58 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Huh? 00:59 < RangerZ> you being so pissed at your job 00:59 < RangerZ> lol 00:59 <@Dagmar> No, I could have fucked them over a million times worse by quitting 00:59 <@anarchival> Okay, so here's an honest question: has the number of women attending PhreakNIC increased, decreased, or stayed the same in the last six years? 00:59 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: I tend to think them carrying it around as part of their badge is acceptance enough of it 00:59 <@Dagmar> ...and it turns out that without me there, they're fucking up just as fast as they can. 00:59 <@Wilpig> down. but attendence is down as a whole so that is a shitty metric 00:59 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: the legal advice was that we need to have them verbally agree to it. 00:59 <@anarchival> I don't think you or I going to jail for assault is really the best response to dudes being dicks, but I appreciate the tough talk. 00:59 <@Dagmar> anarchival: By definition they're pretty much edge case 01:00 <@Wilpig> we get the usual crowd of women that come with whatever guy is coming plus a few extra here and there 01:00 <@Dagmar> There have to be reliable witnesses for jail 01:00 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: I've never seen Dagmar actually get physical with anyone 01:00 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: yep. Verbal agreement is a legal agreement, although superceded by a written agreement. 01:00 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: That's because I can usually get things done with words alone 01:01 <@Dagmar> Also because I tend to not engage in just a *little* violence when I let things off the leash so to speak 01:01 <@Corydon76-home> And as long as we're CONSISTENT in getting verbal agreement, we can certify that we got everyone to agree 01:01 < aestetix> anarchival: keep in mind I've also been threatened with lawsuits several times :) 01:01 <@anarchival> Sure, but if it's going down (and the attendance is a larger issue, I know), and we consider that to be a problem, we should try doing things differently to see if it helps. 01:02 < aestetix> anarchival: sure. Step one, promotion. 01:02 <@anarchival> Preferably the different approach should be something other conferences have tested and had success with. 01:02 <@Wilpig> it isn't going down as a metric to itself. it's going down with the attendance. harassment isn't an issue 01:02 <@Wilpig> attending more than one in a decade might give you more persepective on what is going on rather than just comingin and making broad declarations based on other similar events 01:03 <@anarchival> In terms of consenting to the Code of Content, we could have someone check a box on Eventbrite when they sign up for a ticket, for example. Even better than verbal agreement. 01:03 <@Wilpig> "I see no women. Therefore you harassed them all away" 01:03 < aestetix> anarchival: here's how CCC handles it 01:03 < aestetix> https://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/wiki/Static:Safety_and_Security 01:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Safety and Security - 30C3_Public_Wiki (at events.ccc.de) 01:03 < aestetix> anarchival: which involves registering online. I refuse to do that. 01:03 < aestetix> But I'm more than happy to say "I vow to not be a dick." at the door 01:03 <@anarchival> Let me put it this way: I didn't come to PhreakNIC last year for two reasons... 01:04 <@Corydon76-home> PhreakNIC also tends to be overwhelmingly white. That doesn't mean that anybody has racially harassed all the people of color away 01:04 <@anarchival> First, it was in Murfreesboro, which meant I would have had to make a special trip. 01:04 <@Wilpig> I bring a klan hood just in case 01:04 < aestetix> We are dedicated to providing a safe and comfortable experience for everybody attending our events, regardless of age, gender, sexual orientation, race, physical appearance or disability. We do not tolerate harassment of participants of the Congress in any form. As stated previously, we also don't tolerate life forms who refuse to share this openness towards others. 01:04 < aestetix> That's CCC's policy. 01:04 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 01:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:04 <@anarchival> Second, the tampon joke on the promotional materials? That was an indicator it wasn't worth the trip. 01:04 <@oddball> Ah yes... perusing other con's rules, and I came across this one for Chattacon: "The Fire Marshall has asked us to point out that improperly or falsely marked nuclear waste or explosive containers are a felony and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." 01:04 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: what tampon joke? 01:05 <@Wilpig> tampon joke... what tampon joke 01:05 <@Wilpig> I made the promo materials even 01:05 <@Dagmar> oddball: That's precisely why I no longer have a 12" warnig diamond for radioactive materials for my car 01:05 < aestetix> It's also worth noting that after 29c3 drama, Brucon adopted the Ada Initiative's policy. And subsequency retracted it after the BSides SF stuff went down. 01:06 <@anarchival> Oh come on, guys. Seriously? 01:06 <@oddball> anarchival: You were in Nashville at the time, right? The drive from Nashville to Murfreesboro was too far? 01:06 <@Wilpig> http://phreaknic.info/pn17/images/carousel-tissue.jpg 01:06 <@anarchival> oddball: I don't drive. So, yes. 01:06 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: it was a box of tissues, not a box of tampons 01:06 <@Wilpig> that is the only thing that would be even close to a tampon joke. and if you're using a box of tissues for a tampon you have other issues 01:07 <@Dagmar> Yep 01:07 <@Dagmar> There was no tampon joke 01:07 < aestetix> Actually 01:07 <@oddball> Ah, so basically you're not going anywhere that's not pretty damn close to you. 01:07 < aestetix> anarchival: sounds like you're up for offering free legal counsel for PhreakNIC :) 01:07 <@Wilpig> that joke was quite consistent with the year as well with the whole "phreaknic is coming early" 01:07 <@anarchival> Sorry, tissues. Tissue joke. 01:07 <@anarchival> Right. 01:07 <@Corydon76-home> More specifically, it was a masturbation joke. 01:08 <@Wilpig> a very comical one at that 01:08 <@Corydon76-home> Which, in hindsight, may not have been the best idea 01:08 <@anarchival> Not really, no. 01:08 < aestetix> What's wrong with masturbation? 01:08 <@Corydon76-home> Hey, we learn from past experience 01:08 <@anarchival> It makes PhreakNIC look like a gathering for 12 year old boys obsessed more with their dicks than with technology. 01:08 < aestetix> Reminds me of the time I handed out safe sex flyers with condoms stapled to them 01:08 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: it's best heard and not seen 01:08 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09 <@Dagmar> aestetix: We've done that, too. 01:09 <@Dagmar> Welll, the condoms anyway 01:09 <@anarchival> Which might be the truth, but you want people to come to the conference and have fun and get to know you before they discover that unfortunate fact. 01:09 <@Wilpig> one year with staples through some 01:09 < aestetix> anarchival: sounds like you're advocating removal of any sexual jokes? 01:10 <@Corydon76-home> Also, IRC is not the best forum for discussing changes 01:10 <@anarchival> Yeah, if we could keep the sexual humor out of promotional materials that'd be great. 01:10 <@Corydon76-home> I'm tired, and I'm about to head to bed 01:10 < aestetix> anarchival: why? 01:10 < RangerZ> PN is professional? 01:10 < aestetix> Keep in mind, I think we need to talk about sex more, not less. 01:10 < RangerZ> can I put it on my CV? 01:10 <@Wilpig> when was the last phreaknic that you attended again? 01:10 <@Dagmar> If they think 12-year-old boys can set up a hotel and shit, they're spending too much time on the NAMBLA forums 01:10 <@anarchival> I'm not saying we have to ban dongle jokes, but maybe focus on the tech instead of sex? 01:11 < aestetix> anarchival: have you seen teledildonics? 01:11 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: No, actually, we need the sexual jokes to be more implicit and less explicit 01:11 <@Dagmar> When exactly have we focused on sex? 01:11 <@anarchival> Corydon: I agree. How did we even get on this topic? 01:11 <@anarchival> Oh yeah. I got banned from Coderfaire. 01:11 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 01:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:11 < aestetix> anarchival: that wasn't a sex issue. That was a consent issue. 01:11 <@Dagmar> So it's possible then that your judgment is slightly questionable on this topic. 01:11 <@anarchival> Fuck. I was just blowing off some steam that that jackass asked me for help with his talk after he banned me... 01:11 < aestetix> At least, afaict 01:12 <@Dagmar> We've got people talking about making booze occasionally. 01:12 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12 <@Dagmar> I've yet to see anything particularly prurient goin gon 01:12 <@anarchival> It's a fair criticism that I haven't attended in recent years. 01:12 <@anarchival> It's also a criticism I've heard from other people who have attended or thought about attending and like me stayed away. 01:12 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 01:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:13 <@Dagmar> Most of those people would find one reason or another. 01:13 <@Dagmar> Which specific reason they use matters little 01:13 <@anarchival> PhreakNIC isn't a professional conference and I hope never will be. 01:13 <@Corydon76-home> I agree that we need to be less explicit and get back to merely hinting at any such activities 01:14 <@anarchival> But if we're hoping to increase attendance, we might need to give a little in terms of making it more inviting to a wider audience. 01:14 <@Dagmar> Excellent idea. 01:14 <@Corydon76-home> Again, this is better discussed in person, not on IRC 01:14 <@Corydon76-home> Tomorrow at the meeting 01:14 <@anarchival> There are plenty of people just in Nashville, not to mention nationally, who would like to come if we didn't use the most juvenile shit in promotional materials. 01:14 <@Dagmar> This year's logo: A windowless white Ford van. 01:14 < RangerZ> with "candy" written on the side 01:14 <@Wilpig> if we're hoping to increase attendance we need to advertise and have someone going out to other conferences and events to promote 01:14 <@Dagmar> Fee candy. 01:14 <@Wilpig> which we haven't done the last few years 01:14 <@Wilpig> and it's shown 01:15 <@Dagmar> I agree 01:15 <@Wilpig> It also hasn't helped to have someone out there doing that for another conference held at the same time saying that PN has either died or changed names to some other event 01:15 <@Dagmar> Yep. There's definitely that. 01:16 <@oddball> And he's been doing a hell of a lot better job of advertising. 01:16 <@Dagmar> A certain pompous dick was actively working to diminish PN attendance 01:16 <@Wilpig> There is some very clear things that can be done to increase attendances and juvenile promotional material has never been an issue. In fact, most people expect us to do shit that is retarded 01:16 <@anarchival> We're going to be doing a ton of community promotion and fundraising. I'm going to be helping with that, most likely. 01:16 <@oddball> As in he's been pretty much the only voice out there. 01:16 <@anarchival> And I have sworn jihad on He Who Must Not Be Named, which is part of the reason I am helping. 01:17 <@Wilpig> http://www.memestreams.net/thread/bid157478/blogid10602183/ 01:17 < GateKeeper> Title: MemeStreams | RE: Two cons in Nashville on the same weekend? (at www.memestreams.net) 01:18 <@anarchival> Yes, Wilpig. Which is part of the problem. Hardly anyone takes PhreakNIC seriously even as a good time anymore. 01:18 <@Dagmar> oddball: So what you're saying is that I should gussy myself up and start hitting the other cons around, telling the wimmins that I will be at PN 01:18 <@anarchival> BSides is coming to Nashville in May, and there are a solid half dozen other tech-oriented conferences in this town now. 01:19 <@anarchival> In order to really compete, PhreakNIC needs to be smart not dumb. 01:19 <@Wilpig> that reminds me I hvae to renew a few domains for pn this month 01:19 <@Dagmar> No, only the flyer graphics are dumb 01:19 <@oddball> Dagmar: I'm saying the people in charge who know what the fuck is going on need to step up. 01:19 <@Dagmar> OCCASIONALLY the badge graphics too, but mainly just the flyers 01:20 <@Wilpig> I've had fun with the badge graphics 01:20 <@Wilpig> the fake id ones were fun. just too much work 01:20 <@Dagmar> wilpig: There was the cocktail napkin year 01:20 <@Dagmar> EVeryone seems to forget about that one 01:20 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I agree, which is the tragedy. People will see that shit and immediately dismiss PN when it's not a fair representation. 01:20 <@oddball> Speaking of which, if we can get a flier out, I can drop some off at Chattacon in a few weeks. 01:21 <@Dagmar> I'd like it if we could bill ourselves as a bunch of super-villains being lazy, BUT... 01:21 <@Corydon76-home> Anyway, once we have a firm date and location, we can start promoting the crap out of it 01:21 <@Wilpig> supposedly the contract has been sent 01:21 <@Dagmar> ...the political environment has been one which makes such behaviour a bit risky. 01:21 <@Wilpig> but since I don't get the vp email anymore... 01:22 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Depending on who we want to attract, there's other ways of doing it 01:22 <@Dagmar> For instance.. 01:22 <@Dagmar> If you show up at anything geeky with a bunch of tiny customized electronics and make them do tricks, people will worship you 01:22 <@anarchival> I'm sure that will get sorted soon. When exactly is Chattacon? 01:23 <@Dagmar> ...and they'll show up for the fucking 'con based on the fact that "Those motehrfuckers can party" 01:23 <@anarchival> That's brilliant. 01:23 <@oddball> Jan 24-27 01:23 <@Dagmar> Umm.. I know you're being sarcastic but it's basically what we used to do 01:23 <@anarchival> ...also, just so you guys know, He Who Must Be Named has been showing up and doing that shit all over the place. 01:23 <@Wilpig> yeah we know 01:24 <@anarchival> ...which makes my blood run cold to watch. Like I said, jihad. It's time for 2600 and PN to bring it. 01:24 <@Wilpig> and he keeps selling the hacker consortium as well as his namesake con even though the former is defuct 01:24 <@Dagmar> I'll mix the booze 01:24 <@oddball> I think they're still theoretically looking for a new site. 01:25 <@Wilpig> it'll never surface 01:25 <@Wilpig> damnit. Ineed to sleep. I have to replace a dimm at 5 01:25 <@anarchival> oddball: you coming tomorrow? mention this again then if you are 01:25 <@oddball> If you guys thought the cross-over would work, the couple times we've thrown room parties at cons, they've been talked about as epic. 01:26 <@Wilpig> room parties, back when we did them, were always epic 01:26 <@oddball> anarchival: Yes, I am. And which "this" are you refering to? 01:26 <@Dagmar> Toys that light up are important. 01:26 <@Wilpig> but then again that was dem who was doing most of that and she moved to chicago 01:26 <@anarchival> oddball: I wish we could do something at BSides, but He Who Must Not Be Named is sponsoring, so I don't know how everyone feels about that. 01:27 <@Dagmar> Oh fuck yes 01:27 <@Dagmar> Turntables will be working before May 01:27 <@oddball> I'm still trying to get the Hypericon crew back into room parties. I'd really like to see cross promotion, but that requires more than me going to scifi cons. 01:27 * Dagmar rubs hands together 01:27 <@Dagmar> oddball: No, scifi cons are good. there's a lot of crossover 01:27 <@anarchival> oddball: sorry, the flyer. I have no idea if we can get something together that quickly but bring it up and maybe someone can own it 01:27 <@Wilpig> I think I remember seeing pictures of opheria spinning way back when 01:27 * klixa wakes up and sees something about booze and light up toys 01:28 <@Dagmar> wlipig: I gotta avoid that 01:28 <@Wilpig> lol 01:28 <@Dagmar> She's a fucking diva about that 01:28 <@Dagmar> I hook up my own shit 01:28 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... I've run into a lot of old school admins at scifi cons. If only we can get other folks to go them. 01:29 <@Dagmar> She doesn't even dry run 01:29 <@Wilpig> I didn't have money or time to go. the schedule I worked at vandy kept me pretty dead 01:29 <@oddball> Well, go to them and not mostly sit in the consuite and bitch about this that or the other. 01:29 <@Dagmar> That's been the problem for me the last several years 01:29 <@Dagmar> I had to put an end to that shit 01:29 <@Wilpig> I've got money again now, but no time yet 01:29 <@Dagmar> Now that I'm no longer so worried about being arrested for thoughtcrimes or some shit 01:33 <@Dagmar> wilpig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26emNCuv3HQ 01:33 < GateKeeper> Title: How to Trick People into Thinking Youre Jenna Marbles - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:33 <@Dagmar> She _nails_ it 01:37 <@Wilpig> yes she did 01:40 < RangerZ> wow... spot on 01:41 < klixa> yeah 01:48 < aestetix> Dagmar: know anything about libffi? 01:48 < aestetix> I have a function that's getting an argument of type FFI::Pointer, and it needs to be a custom data type. 01:49 < aestetix> I see how to convert data to the FFI::Pointer, but not back. 02:03 < aestetix> LibFFI needs a code of conduct 02:22 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:42 < RangerZ> you know... I've had the same resume basis for like 4 years now 02:43 < RangerZ> and i've _always_ had a fucking extra page at the end... which made saving the final PDF version a pain b/c I had to export only pg 1,2 , not 3... fucking extra hidden column in the layout table was the cause 04:45 < aestetix> vagina 06:57 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-69-137-118-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:13 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fva9sw7i14y8txl/2014-01-03%2007.09.55.jpg 07:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-01-03 07.09.55.jpg (at www.dropbox.com) 07:31 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has joined #se2600 07:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 07:31 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:37 <@Shadow404> whats up Dole-Bag 07:45 < RangerZ> Wilpig: I miss real snow 07:57 <@Wilpig> the more I look at it. the more I am wantin to build this mini-itx gaming rig 07:57 <@Wilpig> a couple of these mini-itx boards are bad ass 07:58 <@Wilpig> check this thing out. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_VI_IMPACT/ 07:58 < GateKeeper> Title: Motherboards - MAXIMUS VI IMPACT (at www.asus.com) 07:58 <@Shadow404> Interesting: In some areas with abundant snowfall, such as Yamagata Prefecture, Japan, people harvest snow and store it surrounded by insulation in ice houses. This allows the snow to be used through the summer for refrigeration and air conditioning, which requires far less electricity than traditional cooling methods 08:00 <@Shadow404> is that a psu built into the motherboard? 08:00 <@Shadow404> Impact Power 08:00 <@Wilpig> voltage regulator for overclocking 08:02 <@Wilpig> they basically took all the voltage regulator components off the board and made them vertical so they could fit other stuff onto the board and allow for the larger cpu coolers 08:02 <@Shadow404> very cool 08:02 <@Shadow404> how much are we looking at for that? 08:02 <@Wilpig> $220 08:02 <@Shadow404> btw, the sonic radar app is so cheat 08:02 <@Wilpig> so about as much as a full size 08:02 <@Shadow404> wow, thats not horrible 08:03 <@Wilpig> i'm curious about the m.2 ssd socket 08:03 < RangerZ> even with no GPU, the on-die intel graphics are good enough to play video playback of 720p (1080p?) 08:03 <@Wilpig> with an appropriate i7 08:03 < RangerZ> obviously 08:05 <@Wilpig> the bios recovery stuff on that series of boards is really neat 08:05 <@Wilpig> with no cpu or ram you can flash the bios from a usb stick 08:06 <@Shadow404> so what would you price out a complete setup if you had to buy a mini case as well? 08:06 <@Shadow404> all parts inncluded? 08:06 < RangerZ> the key is the GPU 08:07 < RangerZ> i'd say 700+GPU price 08:07 < RangerZ> so 200$ GPU or 600 GPU 08:07 < RangerZ> and not wasting money on the intel CPU 08:07 < RangerZ> the most expensive of those are just silly on the price/performance curve 08:08 <@Shadow404> so basically one pci e slot for a video card 08:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sdodson] by ChanServ 08:15 <@Wilpig> Shadow404: this is where I priced it all out before. http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=24683366 08:24 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: neat, thx 08:31 <@sdodson> I wish network booting from home without pxeboot servers was feasible. 08:31 <@sdodson> I'd have no need for optical drives. 08:31 <@Wilpig> I definitely need more cpu power for my hosting box 08:32 <@sdodson> what are you hosting that requires cpu? 08:32 <@Wilpig> trying to watch dexter and it keeps pausing and the load on the box is a solid 6 08:32 <@Wilpig> the top cpu sucking processes are all plex transcoder processes 08:33 <@sdodson> oh, didn't realize you meant that sort of hosting ^_^ 08:33 <@Wilpig> it does a little of this, a little of that 08:34 <@sdodson> RangerZ, current generation haswell stuff should handle 1080p with no sweat on the built in gpu. 08:34 <@sdodson> My three year old original nehalem almost does. 08:35 <@sdodson> I guess it's Westmere rather than Nehalem 08:37 < RangerZ> I have AMD stuff, so I wasn't "sure", I figured as much 08:37 <@sdodson> I wish AMD would come out with something nice. 08:40 < RangerZ> they are purposely NOT going for the high end 08:40 < RangerZ> but their 200$ 8core _is_ nice 08:41 <@sdodson> yeah but they need to find someone who can give them better process, they jsut moved on from 32nm 08:41 < RangerZ> pretty much 08:41 < RangerZ> BUT they are making profits left and right with the new consoles, and all that 08:41 <@sdodson> that's good 08:42 < RangerZ> hopefully that gets invested into that area 08:42 < RangerZ> if nothing else, if AMD went under, we'd have i7s for the rest of our lives 08:42 <@sdodson> I think we'll see a lot of iteration on the new consoles. 08:42 < RangerZ> the programmers need to catch up to the hardware 08:42 < RangerZ> and the consoles are going to MAKE them do it 08:42 <@sdodson> 12-18 months from now we'll see slim versions with cheaper components offering the same performance 08:43 < RangerZ> ohh, i'm not even concerned with the HW, its all SW 08:43 < RangerZ> c++11 finally added in natives for support for multi-threading 08:44 <@sdodson> Do the new consoles ship toolchains for that? 08:44 < RangerZ> VS 2013 almost 100% complies with c++11 (the farthest along compiler) which is impressive 08:44 <@sdodson> Are most games written in C++? 08:44 < RangerZ> most game engines are c++/c/assembly monstrosities 08:44 < RangerZ> and c++ for non-rendering stuff 'in the game' 08:45 < RangerZ> so AI, handling UI, etc 08:45 <@sdodson> I suppose I should go to work. 08:45 < RangerZ> lies 08:45 <@Dolemite> I have one of the 8-core procs on my workstation at home. It's sweet being able to build a beast like that for so cheap. 08:46 <@Dolemite> I want to play around with one of the new(ish) APU integrated units 08:47 <@Wilpig> I need to replace my hosting / virtual host server with an 8core 08:48 <@Wilpig> model name: AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor 08:48 <@Wilpig> that's what's in it now 08:49 <@Wilpig> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+7750+Dual-Core ouch. that hurts to see 08:49 < GateKeeper> Title: PassMark - AMD Athlon 7750 Dual-Core - Price performance comparison (at www.cpubenchmark.net) 08:49 <@brimstone> wow 08:49 <@brimstone> oh, that's what you have now? 08:50 <@Wilpig> yeah. I tend to use hardware well past the time when it should be retired 08:54 <@brimstone> wow, my work laptop is almost 4x the speed of my personal laptop, but the shoddy gpu and non-ssd drag it down so it *seems* slower 09:00 <@Wilpig> if my primary boot device for my hosting server wasn't pata I could easily just drop a new motherboard / memory / cpu in there and upgrade that thing. 09:01 <@brimstone> clonezilla the primary drive to a SATA drive 09:01 <@Wilpig> that's an option. it's a raid 1 pair though. 09:02 <@Dolemite> That's why I bought that Dell R210 last week... upgrading to a quad core Xeon for my VM host 09:02 <@Dolemite> I've been running VMs on an Athlon X2 64 @ 1.8 Ghz per core 09:06 <@Wilpig> Dolemite: did you see the commits I pushed up last night? 09:07 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:07 <@Dolemite> I saw that you stuck a fork in the menu rewrite 09:07 <@Dolemite> and something about the Kg/Lb display 09:08 <@Wilpig> and fixed the bug with the chassis devices that only had rear slots 09:15 <@Shadow404> giggity, you said "rear slot" 09:22 <@rattle> Wilpig: You had the Jersey Breakfast yet? 09:23 <@Wilpig> nope. on blizzard duty. haven't left the dc 09:23 <@Wilpig> DID put on pants 09:24 <@rattle> I'm one of three people in my office right now. 09:24 <@rattle> Why's everyone such a pussy? It's just snow! 09:24 <@rattle> The roads are basically empty aside from plows. 09:25 <@rattle> I'm here with a guy from Canada (makes sense) and a guy from China (intrepid muthafucka). 09:35 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcaI5Ji6660 09:35 < GateKeeper> Title: Bad Neighbours Teaser Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 09:35 < RangerZ> rattle what part of china though 09:35 < RangerZ> some have lots of snow 09:35 <@rattle> Beijing, so not so much. 09:35 < RangerZ> yeah, no 09:39 <@Shadow404> Composite image of US reveals massive winter storm blanketing Eastern seaboard http://bit.ly/1gwdxHi pic.twitter.com/defz81uXFd 09:39 < GateKeeper> Title: USA Composite Reveals Massive Winter Storm - January 02, 2014 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at bit.ly) 09:43 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: parrot 2.0 battery, i got the stock battery and its about to give out when it comes to charge capacity, already done the complete drain and tried to remove any memory, so im looking at getting an upgraded battery 09:43 <@Shadow404> should i go name brand to the 1500mah, or go with a chaper alternative like this one on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Parrot-AR-Drone-Battery-Upgrade-1380/dp/B00AVZSXQ2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1388760027&sr=8-4&keywords=parrot+drone+2.0+battery 09:43 <@Shadow404> which is 1380mah 09:43 <@Shadow404> $20 difference 09:55 < RangerZ> for the parrot, that 120 mah might make a difference, since it drains pretty fast AFAIK 09:56 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:56 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:56 < RangerZ> unless SuMo_D comes back 09:56 * Wilpig offers SuMo_D a drink 09:56 < RangerZ> Ohhh... hi 09:56 <@SuMo_D> its too early for this shit 09:56 <@SuMo_D> is that drink coffee? 09:57 <@Wilpig> irish 09:57 < RangerZ> burboun 09:57 < RangerZ> Wilpig: you and me are too in sync this morning 09:57 <@Shadow404> aww, isnt that cute 09:57 <@Wilpig> did you sleep at teh dc too?! 09:58 <@Shadow404> yeah, i was thinking it, but 120mah is like what a minute worth of flight time over an 14mins... 09:58 <@Shadow404> so its like do i want to spend another $20 for 120mah/1minute 09:58 <@Shadow404> right now, im getting about 1min30sec air time before it starts chirping at me to land 09:59 <@Shadow404> cause this battery sucks, doesnt help that i left it on charge for 3 days when i forgot about it, which probably hurt the battery 10:01 < RangerZ> biggest fucking tech break through we need as a society is better batteries 10:01 < RangerZ> that way we can have NSA spy drones just flying over us 24/7, with mini-drones coming to the spy drones with battery swaps once a day or so 10:01 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: the sex toy industry is with you on that 10:03 <@Wilpig> has anyone in here ever used a dimm tester? 10:03 <@Wilpig> not a motherboard running memtest, but a specialty piece of hardware that just tests memory 10:03 < RangerZ> seen one used 10:03 < RangerZ> back in ddr1 days 10:07 < RangerZ> never really had the need for one, kinda a niche tool 10:08 <@Wilpig> yeah it is. we have a giant fucking pile of maybe memory 10:08 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: used one back in ddr1 days too 10:08 <@Shadow404> took about 30mins, and would give a percentage of health 10:08 <@Wilpig> cases where the box was freaking out on memory errors but it wouldn't come out and say dimmX is the problem 10:08 <@Wilpig> so they just swapped out all 12 dimms 10:08 <@Shadow404> damn, how much does that cost? 10:09 <@Wilpig> one, two, three? faulty and all the good went into the same pile for later testing 10:09 <@Wilpig> I don't even want to estimate 10:09 <@Wilpig> it's enough that I think you could justify a $4-5k tester 10:10 <@Wilpig> i'll snap a quick pic of "the pile" here in a few when i head up to staging 10:11 <@Dolemite> I used a memory tester back when we used individual chips. *cough* 10:11 <@Wilpig> i have 12x 8gb dimms in my hand right now from this morning 10:12 < RangerZ> Send them my way, I'll make good use of them ;) 10:12 < RangerZ> I'll test them for you 10:12 <@Dolemite> Wilpig: Sounds more likely that the DIMMs are not correct spec 10:12 <@Wilpig> how do you record videpo on the mac? i'll record some scooter footage 10:13 <@Wilpig> Dolemite: the dimms were sourced from dell with the machines 10:13 <@Dolemite> Wilpig: Then my statement seems even more likely! 10:13 <@Shadow404> yeah, i could use those 8gb dimms too 10:13 <@Shadow404> just two will do 10:14 < RangerZ> yeah, same really, but yeah... 10:15 < RangerZ> can fit 4 of them on my MOBO right now 10:15 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20 <@Shadow404> i got 2x8gb right now 10:20 <@Shadow404> got 2 more slots left 10:20 < RangerZ> I have 4x 2gb right now 10:21 < RangerZ> Star Citizen will probably be the first game to make use of 8GB of actual ram 10:21 < RangerZ> and even with that game... GPU is going to be an upgrade target first 10:24 <@Shadow404> yeah, i might have to upgrade my video card soonish, and also the microprocessor 10:24 <@Shadow404> board is still fine, and only 2 years old 10:24 < RangerZ> mine is AM2 board, so I need to upgrade mobo before too long 10:25 < RangerZ> thankfully AMD is sticking with AM3+ Mobos for atleast 2 more cycles 10:26 <@Shadow404> the tthing that annoys me with windows 7 is that i had to go through the whole genuine bs when the storm shocked the ethernet port to death and i plugged in a pci ethernet board to replace the onboard, since it was missing the ethernet onboard, it though i moved the hard drive with the OS to another completely new computer 10:26 < RangerZ> yeah, I honestly agree with that one analyst, that MS should just give away win8 10:26 < RangerZ> and sell the software 10:26 <@Shadow404> took a while to explain that to microsoft support and prove it was the same computer by them running diagnostics on the computer and finally give me the auth code 10:27 <@Shadow404> win 8 is a pile of crap 10:27 <@Shadow404> worst product since windows ME 10:27 < RangerZ> not 'really' only its UI 10:27 < RangerZ> everything below that is pretty good 10:27 <@brimstone> perception is 9/10 reality 10:27 <@Shadow404> not jus tthe UI, half of the steam games my friend had wouldnt work in windows 8 10:27 <@Shadow404> and he had to go back to the store and downgrade it 10:27 < RangerZ> honestly, I wish they would have stuck with win7 for a little while longer 10:28 <@Wilpig> http://youtu.be/hE0SAj9L1m0 contraband! 10:28 < GateKeeper> Title: dctour - YouTube (at youtu.be) 10:28 * RangerZ wonders if I'm the only one who wanted to see Wilpig crash 10:29 <@Corydon76-home> Windows 8 has one good thing out of it: the fiasco is forcing Steve Ballmer out. 10:29 < RangerZ> ^ 10:30 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: when ballmer was at m$ we at least knew what he was fucking up. now he coul dbe going someplace and causing cancer to multiply 10:30 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: could he do any worse than Steve Jobs? 10:30 <@Wilpig> do you really want someone to test that theory? 10:31 <@Corydon76-home> Ballmer looks like he's more the type to have a sudden, fatal heart attack 10:31 < RangerZ> M$'s biggest issue... is that the different departments don't give a rats ass about the company or other depts 10:31 < RangerZ> only their own little teams 10:32 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, they probably should have let the DoJ break them up 10:32 < RangerZ> fucking skype wouldn't be a POS now 10:32 <@Corydon76-home> You noticed that, too? 10:32 <@Wilpig> it'd still be a memory hog 10:32 < RangerZ> and windows messanger would still exist... and sadly probably be the best one out there 10:33 <@Shadow404> dont get me started with google trying to ruin gtalk 10:33 <@Shadow404> and pushing their broken piece of crap hangout messenger that doesnt even have an easy to use/see buddy list 10:34 < RangerZ> i wouldn't fucking mind... if fucking 'hangouts' integrated better with voice 10:34 <@Dagmar> Nothing integrates with Voice, but ther'es a reason for that 10:34 < RangerZ> ohh, but it does 10:34 <@Dagmar> Fucking telcos threaten Google with lawsuits every time they mention Google Voice 10:34 < RangerZ> it just sucks on my desktop 10:34 <@Shadow404> google voice is the shit 10:34 < RangerZ> on my laptop it works fine 10:34 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 10:34 < RangerZ> I never make calls from my cell phone from home anymore 10:35 <@Dagmar> I *really* don't appreciate that it's basically forbidden to run the fucker on a cell phone 10:35 <@Shadow404> never upgrade to hangouts on your phone, just uninstall and it defaults back to gtalk 10:35 < RangerZ> Dagmar: huh? google voice? 10:35 < nachoguy> on the nexus 5, hangouts is your default sms app 10:35 -!- peacebyf1re is now known as peacebyfire 10:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o peacebyfire] by ChanServ 10:36 <@Corydon76-home> Hangouts is actually better than the Messages app, in that it correctly handles multiple-recipients 10:37 <@Shadow404> nachoguy: oh that sux, is there anyway to put gtalk back on? 10:37 < nachoguy> don't think so 10:37 <@Shadow404> i hate hate hate google hangouts messenger on phone 10:37 < nachoguy> it was never "on" to begin with 10:38 <@brimstone> i try to limit which google apps i install on my phone 10:38 <@Shadow404> i wonder if you rooted and found a gtalk package installer 10:39 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yltlJEdSAHw thats surprisingly funny 10:39 < GateKeeper> Title: ROLLIN` SAFARI - what if animals were round? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 10:46 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 <@Wilpig> fuckin' wonderful. earthlink is blocking mail from microsoft 10:58 -!- mikep [~mikep@cpe-76-189-152-61.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 11:04 < nachoguy> a good first step 11:08 <@rattle> Remember kids, don't gamble in Japan. http://rt.com/news/fukushima-workers-nuclear-yakuza-006/ 11:17 <@Shadow404> thats messed up, yakazu forcing workers to take part 11:18 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.146.161.83] has joined #se2600 11:20 < RangerZ> NotLarry: ping 11:31 <@Dagmar> @#$!! 11:32 <@Dagmar> Google Voice apparently doesn't want me to keep separate numbers anymore 11:37 <@Dagmar> Hmm... Found out about the skip button. 11:37 <@Dagmar> I'll have to dick with this later. I have no idea if my normal voicemail still works or not, ,now 11:42 <@anarchival> Fuck tutorials: https://medium.com/p/25dc2bb287f8 11:42 < GateKeeper> Title: What‘s Your Monad Tutorial Personality? — Medium (at medium.com) 11:42 <@anarchival> (written mostly for women programmers, but try some gender-bending dudes) 11:52 <@anarchival> Oh hey speaking of neckbeards, Wilpig's is red! 11:53 <@Mirage> anarchival: more like orange 11:56 <@Dagmar> what-what-what? 11:57 <@anarchival> Which word did you not understand? 11:57 <@Dagmar> Mainly I was just astonished you linked crap 11:58 <@Mirage> Should that have been "try some gender-bending, dudes"? w/o the comma, it reads a little "bent" 11:59 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Since I've been posting all kinds of links, I'm going to attribute this to you customary condescension for no discernible reason and be at peace. 12:00 <@anarchival> Mirage: Let's eat grandpa! Let's eat, grandpa! Punctuation saves lives. 12:01 <@Dagmar> anarchival: Look at the page carefully. Beyond the graphic design flaws, it could probably be published in Cosmo. 12:01 <@Dagmar> *Everything* published in Cosmo is a bad idea. 12:01 <@Dagmar> heh 12:01 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Humor is lost on the simple-minded. 12:02 <@Dagmar> There's also "Some things simply aren't funny." 12:03 <@Mirage> For some reason, I see "Some things simply aren't funny." and I immediately hear Wilpig in the back of my mind making reference to raping a clown. 12:04 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I assure you, it's hilarious, but I understand that you simply don't grasp enough feminism to get these types of jokes. 12:04 <@Dagmar> *chuckles* 12:05 <@Dagmar> I generally try and avoid people who are deeply disturbed and trying to tell other people how to behave. 12:06 < aestetix> vagina 12:06 <@anarchival> Dagmar: "deeply disturbed?" You sure do know a lot about me all of a sudden. Or have you been getting this second-hand from your buddies Paco and Sparky? 12:07 <@anarchival> Dagmar: I'm also not sure when I've been telling people how to behave? 12:07 < RangerZ> http://philsturgeon.co.uk/blog/2013/07/great-battle-wrong-field Here is a 3rd party's POV on that topic she was discussing the other night 12:07 < GateKeeper> Title: Phil Sturgeon Great Battle, Wrong Field | Blog (at philsturgeon.co.uk) 12:07 <@anarchival> Dagmar: Unless, of course, you're referencing my advice on advertising PN from last night, in which case fuck yeah I'll tell you how to behave. Stop hitting yourselves. 12:09 <@anarchival> Phil was hardly a "third party," but sure. 12:09 < RangerZ> well... not you ... and not the guy in question 12:10 < RangerZ> but 'close enough' 12:10 <@anarchival> Also it's pretty hilarious that he doesn't include any of the vile shit he tweeted in his blog post, but whatevs. Those guys are assholes. 12:14 <@Dolemite> SO. HOW ABOUT THIS WEATHER? CRAZY, EH? 12:16 < RangerZ> Dolemite: did you get real snow up there? 12:16 < RangerZ> you're 'in' the Appalachians right? 12:17 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.146.161.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:17 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: Not really. I was in West Virginia yesterday with my son at a ski slope, but even there we were getting sleet rather than now. 12:17 <@Dolemite> s/now/snow 12:17 < RangerZ> or do you just say that... so when you say "I'm going hiking on the appalachains" everyone knows you're with your mistress in argentina 12:17 <@Dolemite> On the drive back last night I saw a good bit coming down, but this morning it's pretty much all gone 12:17 < RangerZ> same here, all melted 12:19 <@Dolemite> Even one of the guys here that typically calls in for snow made it in to work today 12:22 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: I doubt Dolemite is nearly as brazen as Peaches' father, as to have his son with him while on a romantic tryst 12:23 < RangerZ> better cover 12:23 <@Dolemite> Only when he was a baby. It's crazy how attractive a man holding a baby is to women. 12:24 <@Wilpig> this is what it looks like here now 12:24 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/544k4ubdkdyght5/2014-01-03%2012.02.54.jpg 12:24 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2014-01-03 12.02.54.jpg (at www.dropbox.com) 12:24 <@Wilpig> and yes it has been plowed. the roads are just shitty 12:24 <@Corydon76-home> What, no snow angels in the parking lot? 12:30 <@anarchival> Wilpig: So does that mean you get to go home tonight? 12:32 <@Dagmar> Hmm....What crazy mechanism in NetBSD makes it pick one address over another when an interface has four of them aliased together?> 12:33 <@Wilpig> not til tomorrow 12:33 <@Wilpig> I woulnd't really want to drive on that right now 12:33 <@Wilpig> i'd like the plows to get a better shot at it 12:34 <@anarchival> Wilpig: You need to give the cats enough time to clean up after the party, too. 12:36 <@Wilpig> leaving the assholes unsupervised for any long length of time is never good 12:39 <@Dolemite> Why would Wilpig go home? He has string cheese and beverages at work. 12:39 <@Wilpig> this is true 12:39 <@Wilpig> and pizza and chinese 12:40 <@Dolemite> Did you ever get cider stocked in the fridge? 12:40 <@Wilpig> no. not yet 12:40 <@Wilpig> there is some in the nyc office fridge 12:40 <@Dolemite> Well, ok, then there's one reason. 12:42 <@Dagmar> I hear they're planning on decriminalizing some other things in NYC 12:42 < RangerZ> fuck... just had my dream job offered to me 12:42 < RangerZ> but its only like 10k/year pay 12:42 <@Dagmar> dafuq 12:43 < RangerZ> can't... just can't afford to teach part time 12:43 < RangerZ> its 800$/course hour taught 12:43 <@Dagmar> Ah, it's part time 12:43 <@Dagmar> I suppose it really depends on what class of stripper you're teaching. 12:43 < RangerZ> and fucking GOP gov and house passed a law stating part timers can't work 'full time' hours, b/c then they would get health benefit 12:44 < RangerZ> so you can't even teach 3 classes at a time 12:44 <@Dagmar> LIke, if it's the girls from "ShowTime" or "701 Club" then $10k is not _nearly_ enough. 12:44 < RangerZ> and 800$ is for having my masters 12:44 <@Dagmar> For $10k/y "regular students" can learn to fuckin' use Google, as far as I care 12:45 < RangerZ> i would do it for 30k 12:45 < RangerZ> ugh... this is why I need to finish my PhD 12:45 <@Dagmar> How many hours a week work would this be? 12:45 < RangerZ> 3hours per class 12:45 < RangerZ> so 9~12 12:45 <@Dagmar> ANd you'd only be spending three hours a week on it 12:46 <@Dagmar> No extra time spend grading things or preparing curriculum? 12:46 < RangerZ> ohh I'm sure you'd have some, but its CS 12:46 < RangerZ> undergraduate stuff like networking 12:46 <@Dagmar> ...and you said "3 hours per class", rather than "3 hours once a week" 12:47 < RangerZ> 3hours a week, per course, plus prep time 12:47 < RangerZ> each course is 3hrs both in time, and credit 12:47 <@Dagmar> Hmm... I thought it might involve more time than that 12:47 < RangerZ> so probably double that in reality, once everything is involved 12:48 <@Dagmar> If you don't mind the scheduled time, $10k isn't that bad then, assuming it doesn't conflict with your ability to keep some other job 12:48 < RangerZ> i'd be using pre-done curriculum 12:48 < RangerZ> Dagmar: it doesn't, but i have _no_ savings 12:48 < RangerZ> i can't afford to take a risk like that right now 12:48 <@Dagmar> Risk? 12:49 < RangerZ> moving back home, with no 'real' job yet 12:49 < RangerZ> i have to tell them in the next few days to start next monday teaching 12:49 <@Dagmar> Ah 12:49 < RangerZ> i'd "Probably" get a job 12:49 < RangerZ> but 'risk' 12:50 <@Dagmar> You can stay here for free? 12:50 < RangerZ> ugh... thats being decided upon as we speak actually.. 12:50 <@Dagmar> Ah 12:50 < RangerZ> i have funding for school lined up... Its just BS, etc 12:51 < RangerZ> plus the DataCenter job is actually a pretty good fit for me 12:51 <@Dagmar> Well,l shit 12:51 <@Dagmar> It looks like this storage node was just set up haphazardly to begin with 12:51 < RangerZ> i could get my PhD within 4 years of working there, and only taking 3 'non-course' course hours each semester, doing a 'bit' of research 12:52 <@Dagmar> The thing stopped sending mails out, because apaprently the source IP address it used changed 12:52 <@Dagmar> ...but it's one of four assigned to one interface, and I didn't see any sign of someone setting a preference mechanism 12:52 <@Dagmar> Looks like it just up and decided to start using a different one 12:56 < RangerZ> anyways, I'll heading into vandy-land, if i'm not back on, by JJs time, I'll see ya'll there 13:18 -!- EnabrinTain_ [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtoxwvvtsrryyycx] has joined #se2600 13:21 <@Mirage> Damn McD's for messing with my McNuggets! http://www.bubblews.com/news/1630843-sniff-mcd039s-has-broken-my-heart 13:22 < GateKeeper> Title: *Sniff* McDs Has Broken My Heart! - News - Bubblews (at www.bubblews.com) 13:28 <@Wilpig> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M count=32 conv=fdatasync 13:29 <@Wilpig> count is the number of times to run that? 13:29 <@brimstone> count is the number of blocks to read/write 13:29 <@brimstone> the number of 1Megabyte blocks 13:30 <@brimstone> the first 32x1M of /dev/sdb will be zeros after that command 13:30 <@Wilpig> he couldn't have meant that then. the guy that sent this said it should take about 20 minutes. there is no way 13:30 <@brimstone> i don't know what conv=fdatasync does, maybe that's what slows it down? 13:31 <@Mirage> Maybe on a bad controller it takes that long 13:31 <@Wilpig> I can't find that documented 13:31 <@brimstone> "physically write output file data before finishing" 13:31 <@Wilpig> waiting on him to get back to me 13:31 <@brimstone> i don't see how that command could take 20 minutes on good, stable hardware 13:32 <@Mirage> or even an i286 w/ 256k and no mathco running an RLL drive 13:33 <@Mirage> Of course in that case you'd probably be zeroing out the entire disk 13:33 <@Wilpig> I'm thinking he didn't mean for the count 13:33 <@Wilpig> which is fine. this is test hardware 13:33 <@Mirage> Wilpig: is the intention to whack the mbr on the second disk? 13:33 <@Wilpig> here i'll paste. you're gonna laugh 13:34 <@brimstone> if you zero the first and last meg, you've wiped the partitioning off a drive 13:34 <@Wilpig> I was speaking with AJ Jambu about SYSSRE-1823 and he claimed that we have run into issues with the SATA cables on the C6105 class boxes. I would like to run a bench test to exercise his hypothesis. Please do the following: 13:34 <@Wilpig> 1) Pull a spare C6105, SATA cable, and ST9500620NS HD from inventory 13:34 <@Wilpig> 2) image one of the nodes on the C6105 as a development node 13:34 <@Wilpig> 3) Install the hard drive in the C6105 13:34 <@Wilpig> 4) reboot 13:34 <@Wilpig> 5) As root, run "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M count=32 conv=fdatasync"... this will probably take 20 minutes. Note the output. 13:34 <@Wilpig> 6) poweroff the machine and pull the drive. Take the cover off the machine and cable the drive with the new SATA cable directly from the motherboard. Power on 13:34 <@Wilpig> 7) Repeat step 5. 13:35 <@brimstone> i stopped reading "image" 13:35 <@brimstone> i stopped reading after "image" 13:35 <@Mirage> So...bad cable == runs slow as fuck, good cable == runs normally 13:36 <@Wilpig> the first time I stopped after sata cables. 13:37 <@Corydon76-home> Maybe he meant bs=1G 13:37 <@Wilpig> that would make more sense 13:40 <@Corydon76-home> Or maybe they're still hazing you 13:41 <@Dolemite> 1G would definitely make more sense 13:44 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:52 <@Dagmar> Dunno why people hate the time command so much 13:52 <@Dagmar> If 32Mb of data takes 20 minutes, you have a fucking problem tho 13:52 <@Wilpig> oh surely 13:53 <@Mirage> Dagmar: Real time vs user time is confusing 13:53 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: my guess would be that programmers think of time() in terms of the library interface 13:54 <@Dagmar> Probably 13:54 <@Dagmar> I tend to pay attention because it tells you (mostly) how many clockcycles were used as well 13:55 <@Corydon76-home> I tend to like the 'times' command. 13:55 <@Dagmar> Something could be fucking up and causing shittons of hardware interrupts or something, and anything that's bound be some external slow-ass thing would still take the same amount of wall clock time, but the CPU time consumed would be radically different 13:56 <@Corydon76-home> At least, then, the C interface and the shell interface are similar 13:57 <@Dagmar> Also, the NSA might just be fucking with you. 13:57 <@Dagmar> It sounds petty, but the SS had a large number of people devoted to the task of "generally fucking with" people they didn't like. 13:58 <@Dagmar> TUrns out that if you repeatedly steal people's mail, deflate their car tires, break a window or two, all those minor problems add up 13:58 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: So what has Tumblr done to piss off the NSA recently? 13:59 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: the only thing that keeps me from being stuck in a padded room is the cold comfort that I'm not important enough to even come across their radar 13:59 <@Wilpig> distribute ponr? 13:59 <@Wilpig> porn* 14:01 <@Shadow404> distribute "aestetix" porn 14:04 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.146.161.83] has joined #se2600 14:12 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: That's what all the people who the SS was slowly driving mad thought, as well 14:14 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: for example? 14:14 <@anarchival> Time: the final frontier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtHWFoKf8o0 14:14 < GateKeeper> Title: Bartosz Milewski, Eric Niebler : Compile-Time/Run-Time Functional Programming in C++ - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 14:15 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: It's "reasonably" documented, in that it was never officially acknowledged that they were actually tormenting people until the documentation was declassified in the 90s 14:15 <@Dagmar> ...but sure enough, there were a few thousand people they were simply tormenting to marginalize them. 14:15 <@Corydon76-home> I'd have to see evidence of that 14:16 <@anarchival> Surely the NSA has backdoor'd Tumblr. I mean, wouldn't you feel left out if they had not? 14:16 <@Corydon76-home> anarchival: you mean watched their unencrypted links between data centers? 14:16 <@anarchival> Corydon: That's one option. 14:17 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Believe what you like 14:17 <@Dagmar> ...although mainly I'm messing with Wilbur 14:19 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: you know that one of the reasons I don't possess firearms is that I would not trust myself with them during the times when my grasp on reality and rational thought is somewhat less tenuous. 14:19 <@Corydon76-home> Right? 14:19 <@Dagmar> Sure. 14:19 <@Dagmar> Occasionally, my paranoia gets out of hand as well 14:19 <@Dagmar> However, in this case, it was something I'd read on CNN's site somme years ago 14:20 <@Wilpig> we have unencrypted links between datacenters? 14:20 <@Wilpig> shit... we have another data center?! 14:20 <@anarchival> Wilpig: I can't believe you would leave that in such a state even if you did. 14:20 <@Dagmar> The program itself was pretty trivial, but they were talking with someone who was a victim of it who had the chance to actually talk to the person assigned to torment her 14:20 <@Dagmar> You don't really have to put a lot of trouble into simply _harassing_ people 14:21 <@Wilpig> anarchival: did you check out aestetix's tumblr yet? 14:21 <@Corydon76-home> If the Secret Service was trying to harass me, they'd schedule more frequent electrical and Internet outages. 14:21 <@anarchival> They've certainly attempted to drive people to suicide through prosecutions, so I don't know why they wouldn't attempt it with a little social engineering first. 14:22 <@anarchival> Their MO seems to be using hacker tactics for State-sanctioned surveillance and espionage, so makes sense. 14:22 <@Dagmar> Welll, the idea wasn't to drive these people to suicide, but to keep them just depressed enough that they'd remain marginalized 14:22 <@anarchival> Wilpig: Nope. Not for love or money. 14:22 <@Dagmar> I mean, imagine you tellinng your boss you didn't make it into work because someone slashed your tires 14:22 <@Dagmar> Six times a year. 14:23 <@Dagmar> ...or having to deal with a landlord who was getting irked about hte number of times you'd had windows brokwn 14:23 <@Wilpig> chickenshit. we've all checked it out. aestetix has some good taste 14:23 <@Dagmar> Such things can happen so quickly and easily 14:23 <@anarchival> So it's basically like having a stalker. Yes, that sucks. 14:24 <@Dagmar> Very low risk, too 14:24 <@anarchival> What's the difference between the government and the Mob? 14:25 <@Corydon76-home> The mob doesn't bother with trying to put you in prison 14:25 <@Dagmar> Kind of a telling question 14:25 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home++ 14:26 <@Corydon76-home> Also, you'll never see the mob coming 14:31 <@anarchival> This is really getting out of hand: https://github.com/vhf/free-programming-books/blob/master/free-programming-books.md 14:31 < GateKeeper> Title: free-programming-books/free-programming-books.md at master · vhf/free-programming-books · GitHub (at github.com) 14:32 <@anarchival> (for those of you who like to read, as long as it's not Bell Hooks) 14:32 <@Corydon76-home> What's wrong with free programming books? 14:33 <@anarchival> Nothing at all, there's just not enough time to read them all. Which is my reason for continuing in this existence, really. 14:34 <@anarchival> I wish TAOCP was fully digitized somewhere. 14:36 <@anarchival> weev asked for a copy of that recently, too, but I think I'll send him the collected Promethea if I ever decide to spend that kind of money on him. 14:40 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hszhmliqmagzmcro] has joined #se2600 14:40 <@Corydon76-home> Not enough time to read all of them is a really good thing, because it means that the field is expansive enough to continue hiring quite a lot of people 14:41 <@Corydon76-home> Also, until someone comes up with some new design patterns, most of the programming books are extremely redundant 14:42 <@anarchival> There aren't a lot of new concepts, but sometimes I find it helpful to read different explanations from different people. It helps me understand, or at least gain new perspective. 14:44 <@anarchival> I mean, I've read every Erlang book in existence (except for that bloody AI book, because money), but until I picked up Good Math at pragprog I didn't really understand why it is the way it is. 14:48 <@Dagmar> Data. Data goes in. Stuff happens to it. Data goes out. 14:48 <@Dagmar> Frequently, data is stored before this process repeats. 14:50 <@Dagmar> Fascinating: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/projects/currency/ 14:50 < GateKeeper> Title: Software Detection of Currency :: Projects :: Steven J. Murdoch (at www.cl.cam.ac.uk) 14:51 <@Dagmar> THis is something that could be handy to know about for the purposes of abusing it 14:51 <@Dagmar> Watermark your photos just to annoy the shit out of peoplpe 14:54 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 14:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 15:00 -!- EnabrinTain_ is now known as EnabrinTain 15:22 -!- mikep [~mikep@cpe-76-189-152-61.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:25 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has left #se2600 [] 16:04 -!- mikep [~mikep@cpe-76-189-152-61.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 16:27 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llUV6hPuQsU&list=PL0hcOiseguX_U9Fjq5icNkZ3WDhJbMBPP 16:27 < GateKeeper> Title: Austrian Death Machine - "I Need Your Clothes, Your Boots and Your Motorcycle" Metal Blade Records - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 16:59 <@oddball> Oh goody... forcast for Sunday: rain to wintry mix, high of 42, low of *8*. 16:59 <@oddball> forcast for Monday morning traffic: Icecapades! 16:59 <@Dagmar> Random weather is random 17:01 <@oddball> Yeah... I was talking to someone bitching about it be holy shit cold where she was (Minisota). I agreed that a high of -1 was, in fact, really fucking cold, but I'd rather have her weather 'cause it's at least vaguely stable. 17:12 <@Dickie> Minisota 17:24 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 17:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:26 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, Minisota. 17:58 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 17:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 18:10 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:17 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Quit: benthemeek] 18:19 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.146.161.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 18:30 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 18:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 18:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 18:54 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:10 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 19:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 19:16 <@Wilpig> so who's gonna report on what's going on at the meeting since nobody pulled me in via skype 19:21 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:33 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has joined #se2600 19:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o anarchival] by ChanServ 19:49 -!- terylbrake_ [~Peaches84@c-71-203-192-83.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:50 < terylbrake_> Hello 19:50 <@Wilpig> hey peaches 19:50 <@Wilpig> long time no irc 19:50 < terylbrake_> Hey wilpig 19:51 < terylbrake_> i know how are you doing 19:51 <@Wilpig> couldn't be better 19:51 < terylbrake_> Good. Been busy around here. 19:52 <@Wilpig> here being channel, nashville, or the peaches / corydon household? 19:53 -!- anarchival [~amberadam@unaffiliated/anarchival] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:54 < terylbrake_> all the above 19:54 <@Wilpig> busy isn't always a bad thing. it can be nice to have a distraction 19:54 < terylbrake_> yeah i agree 19:55 <@Wilpig> I'm thinking it's time to pop a pill, kick my shoes off, and then crawl up in the floor of the office here and code a bit 19:55 <@Wilpig> watch some tv shows 19:56 < terylbrake_> l 19:56 < terylbrake_> lol 19:57 <@Wilpig> the fact that i've kept my pants on should be enough for a prize 19:58 < terylbrake_> ha ha yeah 19:59 <@Wilpig> peaches: shouldn't you be at JJ's to see the new shepard try to gather a flock of sheeple? 20:00 < terylbrake_> i am here now 20:00 <@Wilpig> oh goodie. what nonsense is going on 20:01 < terylbrake_> We have been talking about hotels website and bylaws 20:01 < terylbrake_> fun stuff 20:01 <@Wilpig> did someone bring up a code of conduct, again? 20:11 <@Wilpig> $20 to the first person to take a swing at one of the pie in the sky dreamers and knocks them back to planet earth 20:11 -!- terylbrake_ [~Peaches84@c-71-203-192-83.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:57 < InfoSecDog> So I went to Lennox Mall for the Atlanta meeting. No one was there. Sigh 20:58 <@brimstone> aww, people showed up? 20:58 < InfoSecDog> Nope 20:58 <@brimstone> you are a people! 20:58 < InfoSecDog> My last meeting was ~2001 20:58 < InfoSecDog> I am 20:58 <@brimstone> did you get tacos? 20:58 < InfoSecDog> Chick-fil-a 20:58 <@brimstone> that's not tacos 20:59 < InfoSecDog> Got me a chicken sammich 21:00 < InfoSecDog> Found a se2600 post from 2011 where someone went and he was the only one 21:00 < InfoSecDog> Looks like Atlanta is dead 21:00 <@brimstone> Atlanta 2600 moved to dc404 21:01 < InfoSecDog> Well shit 21:01 < InfoSecDog> Thanks for the info 21:02 < InfoSecDog> Saturday meetings 21:03 <@Wilpig> InfoSecDog: we told you that before you went. :P 21:03 < InfoSecDog> Ohhhhh righttttt...missed it :) 21:04 < InfoSecDog> Well, I can do the 18th 21:05 < InfoSecDog> I even brought my Cap'n Crunch whistle! 21:05 <@brimstone> bring it on the 18th 21:05 <@brimstone> :D 21:05 < InfoSecDog> k 21:05 < InfoSecDog> Will do 21:12 <@SuMo_D> Effin' Fedex... 21:12 <@SuMo_D> didn't ring the doorbell... or knock... or even stop... I don't think they even came out 21:12 <@SuMo_D> asshats... 21:12 <@SuMo_D> laser cutter was supposed to be here today! 21:12 < InfoSecDog> Did they deliver or leave a "we missed you" slip? 21:14 < InfoSecDog> My mail carrier is lazy. I will watch them deliver the mail while I am home. There are three cars here, so we are CLEARLY here too. He will leave a "we missed you" slip in the box if something requires a signature. Doesn't even attempt to deliver it. 21:17 -!- Warcop [~zadeaux@96-32-205-123.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com] has joined #se2600 21:17 <@SuMo_D> nope.... no we missed - had the lights on, called them twice was watching 21:18 <@SuMo_D> but yeah, needed a signature and its really cold out tonight and was after dark 21:18 < Warcop> so I picked up an Ableton Push yesterday.. any u guys work with Ableton 21:18 <@SuMo_D> think he was just being a lasy ass... plus its heavy 21:18 < InfoSecDog> There you go 21:18 < InfoSecDog> Sucks when you have to pick up your own packages 21:19 <@SuMo_D> they'll be here tomorrow morning 21:19 <@SuMo_D> still pissed 21:19 <@SuMo_D> I mean... dude... its a laser cutter 21:19 <@SuMo_D> I want it yesterday 21:19 <@SuMo_D> plus had a really good meeting with the group that bought it for me to work with today... and... yeah... wanted to get to it 21:21 <@SuMo_D> oh well... my inventables order should be here tomorrow too... 21:21 <@SuMo_D> I'm so ready to engrave all the metal!!! 21:23 < InfoSecDog> Are you making anything in particular? 21:29 < InfoSecDog> I got my WiFi Pineapple in the mail today. Unpacking it now. 21:42 -!- Peaches84 [~Peaches84@c-69-137-93-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:57 <@SuMo_D> Infosecdog have a bunch of ideas, and like I said building prototypes for a guy 21:57 <@SuMo_D> the work is still in development so I'm not sure how much more I can say than that 21:58 <@SuMo_D> I will say we had a really good meeting today with somebody that if everything lines up... it could really work out... but yeah... nothing's done till its done right? 21:58 <@SuMo_D> has anybody seen this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 ? 21:58 < GateKeeper> Title: Her (2013) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com) 22:00 <@Wilpig> can't say I have 22:01 <@Wilpig> I hate user interfaces. just about as much as I hate IE 22:14 < aestetix> vagina 22:17 < InfoSecDog> Good luck with your projects, SuMo_D 22:17 <@SuMo_D> thanks Infosecdog :) 22:18 <@SuMo_D> aestetix is it Siri vagina ? 22:19 <@SuMo_D> are you going to fall in love with technology all over again 22:26 < aestetix> oh btw 22:26 < aestetix> SuMo_D: can you msg me a good email to reach you at 22:26 < aestetix> I want to run a project by you 22:26 < aestetix> well 22:26 < aestetix> maybe msg is enough 22:44 < InfoSecDog> Interesting, looking at the dc404 presentations. I know a few folks on the list. 22:44 < InfoSecDog> Looking forward to the 18th 22:47 <@NotLarry> Ok, so, last night I was having trouble getting my lg to connect to my laptop. It acted like it was connecting (the beeps) but the laptop said it could not connect. I fumbled around with the button(s) moving it and suddenly a phone starts ringing in my ears. I powered them off, wondering who I had "bluedialed" and went to get my phone. my phone has no record of an outgoing call. 22:49 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 40 nicks [20 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 22:49 <@Wilpig> that will come up again 22:50 <@Wilpig> NotLarry: did you activate s voice or whatever it's called on the galaxy 22:51 <@NotLarry> not yet:) 22:51 <@NotLarry> Wonder who it called when I said "fucking fuckity fuck fuck" 23:01 < aestetix> ok time to get ready to fly to paris 23:04 < aestetix> Wilpig: don't get excited. I said paris, not penis. 23:05 <@Wilpig> i'm worked up over stupidity 23:20 < aestetix> god I love germans 23:20 < aestetix> so blunt and direct 23:20 < aestetix> I am crashing with a friend in Hamburg, it has been fun trying to explain to him the harassment/fauxminism stuff 23:20 < aestetix> "I do not understand, why do people tolerate this shit?" 23:22 <@SuMo_D> lol 23:23 < aestetix> "What is she complaining about? You ask her "do you write code? If not, fuck off" 23:24 <@SuMo_D> wow 23:25 <@SuMo_D> yeah that does sound German lol 23:25 <@SuMo_D> I actually caught up with a kid I do some community work with who just spent 6 months in Berlin, before he left he was really wide eyed, and yeah... just young and GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD now he's a bit older, and yeah... having a hard time readjusting to the south 23:26 <@SuMo_D> he's like I'm so used to everyone just saying stuff and being blunt 23:26 <@SuMo_D> his mom told him he needed to chill out and start speaking nicer to people lol 23:28 <@SuMo_D> gotta love the south --- Log closed Sat Jan 04 00:00:28 2014