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00:17 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: give suggestions to
00:18 < RangerZ1> you need 4 rotors to maintain flight, and 'barely' fly, 8 to actually maneuver successfully
00:21 <@Dagmar> No, this thing is nimble enough with four
00:23 < RangerZ1> from the papers I've read, 4 only works indoors , you need 'more' for outdoors
00:23 < RangerZ1> either actual stabilizer fins, or the 4 more 'stability' rotors
00:24 < RangerZ1> etc
00:24 < RangerZ1> but that could have been a software issue that they have improved
00:24 < RangerZ1> the problem with the AR drone, and most of the rest of the drones, is that they have black box IC chips on them, and they are 'very' lawsuit happy about people modding those ICs
00:26 < RangerZ1> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4607355&cid=45808189
00:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Convicted Spammer Jeffrey Kilbride Flees Prison - Slashdot (at it.slashdot.org)
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03:02 < RangerZ1> https://vine.co/v/h9J1dEg3LQJ i could imagine the hijinx at PN
03:02 < GateKeeper> Title: Chad Brunsvold's post on Vine (at vine.co)
04:04 < aestetix> vagina
04:12 <@NotLarry> Yes, of course.
05:24 <@Evilpig> this is too early to be at the dc
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06:44 <@Bahhumbug> It's also the wrong day to be at the DC
06:45 <@Evilpig> nah.  I'm supposed to be up here on sunday for 4 hours
06:46 <@Evilpig> just in case something crazy should happen we have someone here for regular hours each day of the week for at least a couple hours
06:53 <@Catonic> moarning
06:53 <@Catonic> Evilpig: leave
06:53 <@Catonic> I fell into that trap eight years ago... I've been nights and weekends ever since
06:54 <@Catonic> took going to a sleep doctor to find out that neither my work nor my social hours allowed me to have a complete or solid sleep schedule.
06:54 <@Catonic> then you add amphetamines into that and it's a recipe for disaster.
06:54 <@Evilpig> I have a normal schedule.  m-th 8-5  sun 10-2
06:54 <@Catonic> that's not so bad...
06:55 <@Evilpig> I'm only here this early because we had a critical server start spewing memory errors so I got paged to come in 
06:55 <@Catonic> my start times differ by three hours from weekend to week.
06:55 <@Catonic> kinda seems senseless, doesn't it?
06:55 <@Catonic> in a world with vmotion, why by dependent on hardware?
06:56 <@Evilpig> nah.  the server in question does something with logging or something.  not entirely sure.  all I knew for sure was it needed to be done when the least amount of traffic was moving and that was 5am on sunday
06:56 <@Catonic> Maybe I've seen too much, but I really don't understand why we don't have capacity in most or all industries to keep the app up and running...
06:56 <@Evilpig> there is 0 virtual here.  but they are looking to change that a little
06:56 <@Catonic> Evilpig: there's load-balancing for that
06:57 <@Catonic> one guy I know had apache dumping to syslog dumping to ethernet packets he picked up with snort
06:57 <@Bahhumbug> No virtual?
06:57 <@Bahhumbug> In 2013?
06:57 <@Bahhumbug> Wtf?
06:57 <@Evilpig> no virtual.  it doesn't really fit in the model here
06:57 <@Catonic> you _could_ own his system... but he had logs/records even if you instarootkitted him
06:58 <@Catonic> there's a way... syslog is but UDP packets..
06:58 <@Catonic> and of course, if you're serious about logging -- any everyone is -- syslog is TCP today.
06:58 <@Bahhumbug> tcp and relp
06:58 <@Catonic> or, I mean, shit, dump the log device to netcat and spew packets into the ethernet/to a given IP
06:58 <@Catonic> what's relp?
06:58 <@Bahhumbug> Ensures reliable delivery.
06:59 <@Catonic> that's what TCP is for. ;)
06:59 <@Catonic> you don't realize how/what TCP is for until you've shot data over 300, 1200 bps, and 9600 bps half-duplex radio channels with unaligned radios.
06:59 <@Catonic> five packets to complete the ARP process.
07:00 <@Evilpig> back to borderlands 2
07:00 <@Catonic> Evilpig: good morning otherwise sir.
07:02 <@Catonic> Bahhumbug: thanks for the tip, I'll look into that.
07:02 <@Bahhumbug> rsyslog supports it, not sure shout syslogng.
07:02 <@Bahhumbug> (I'd be surprised if it doesn't, though)
07:03 <@Catonic> syslog-ng has been a bit of a bitch lately
07:03 <@Bahhumbug> Catonic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliable_Event_Logging_Protocol
07:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Reliable Event Logging Protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
07:04 <@Catonic> otoh, I did figure out that if you use gparted (or anything) to put a GPT label on a disk, you can make a 16+TB ext4 fs.
07:04 <@Catonic> Dagmar: am I crazy for loving xfs, even today?
07:04 <@Bahhumbug> s/crazy/absolutely insane/
07:04 <@Catonic> im just not a huge fan of ext2++++
07:05 <@Bahhumbug> I don't know wtf RHT was smoking when they decided to default to xfs for el7.
07:05 <@Bahhumbug> Of course, I question much about RHT's directions at this point.
07:05 <@Catonic> SGI was ahead of the curve years ago... sadly, that's the only bit of SGI IP that remains...
07:05 <@Catonic> NUMAlink gives you boners.
07:05 <@Bahhumbug> SGI was a nice shop.
07:06 <@Bahhumbug> But times... they have a changed.
07:06 <@Bahhumbug> s/a //
07:07 <@Catonic> indy...
07:08 <@Catonic> the only DDS drive that handled DAT audio
07:08 <@Catonic> XFS is still a filesystem that's designed for speed and size, and at present still doesn't have issues with 16+ TB file systems.
07:09 <@Catonic> it's kinda sad though, because VMWare on JFS = shitty
07:09 <@Catonic> XFS works, but if you've moved on to kvm, the JFS option is possible... but you have to go in a supported direction
07:10 <@Catonic> and RHEL / CentOS doesn't support crypt + lvm + raid out of the box.
07:28 <@Bahhumbug> I routinely drop PVs on top of RAID and dm-crypt is avalable for both el5/6; I've not tried dm-crypt on top of a raid'd PV.
07:29 <@Catonic> yeah, but for root? =P
07:29 <@Bahhumbug> I am not a big fan of LUKS in any event; it's unwieldly.
07:29 <@Bahhumbug> Should work for root.  Will _not_ work for el5/6 /boot however.
07:29 <@Bahhumbug> Not sure of the roadmap for el7 supporting such a setup, but since it's grub2 I suspect it would work.
07:30 <@Bahhumbug> I should note: el6 is the end of my RHT journey.
07:30 <@Bahhumbug> Once support is over, I'm done.  EL7, aka LennartOS, can lick my ball sack.
07:30 <@Evilpig> swapping over to debian eh?
07:31 <@Bahhumbug> Unsure.  SuSE / OpenSuSE perhaps.  It's RPM.
07:31 <@Bahhumbug> It's still systemd, but it's not a company paying Lennart to fuck over linux.
07:31 <@Evilpig> suse is novell though.  they've had their heads up their own asses for a while on some things
07:32 <@Bahhumbug> I've been looking into rebuilding EL7 without systemd's raping the system but... well... it's going to be a bitch to automate such a conversion process and I'm just not sure it's worth it.  Maintenance over the support lifespan of the product is going to be a nightmare.  And I'm getting too old for this shit.
07:32 <@Bahhumbug> SuSE has done a lot of things right, though.
07:33 <@Bahhumbug> Starting with their installer.
07:33 <@Bahhumbug> It's.... get this... threaded!
07:33 <@Bahhumbug> Who the hell woulda thunk it?
07:33 <@Bahhumbug> Someone that knows how to do an installer right.
07:33 <@Bahhumbug> And unlike everything else I've seen... it's pretty.
07:34 <@Bahhumbug> As much as I love EL anaconda is a fucking piece of shit that should be burned and buried.
07:34 <@Bahhumbug> And the redesign that fedora did last release has migrated to el7.  So it's a cluster fuck.
07:36 <@Evilpig> wtb more sniper rounds
07:39 <@Bahhumbug> Gonna take out Lennart and Kay Sievers?
07:39 <@Evilpig> nah.  just this annoying yellow robot
07:39 <@Bahhumbug> 'cause that's a murder spree I can get behind.
07:39 <@Bahhumbug> What game?
07:40 <@Evilpig> borderlands 2
07:40 <@Evilpig> it's one of the few games I have that runs both mac and pc
07:40 <@Evilpig> and since I got the xbox controller working with the mac.  it seemed like a good idea for this morning
07:42 <@Catonic> I'm starting to lose my zeal for Debian, but thus far they suck less than Ubuntu
07:57 <@Bahhumbug> Borderlands a steam release?  If so I might have to check it out.
07:57 <@Bahhumbug> Even when I was working at my last ISP, which was a Debian shop, I had no love for it.
07:58 <@Bahhumbug> But I would use it in a microsecond over that clusterfuck of a trainwreck known as ubuntu.
07:58 <@Evilpig> yeah it's on steam.  it was on sale a few days ago for 75% off or something ridiculous like that
08:00 <@Bahhumbug> Steam's got a many holiday sales going on at the moment.  I'll check later.
08:00 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks :(
08:00 <@Bahhumbug> Err, :)
08:00 <@Evilpig> yeah i've picked up a few during this sale
08:05 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, #centos is making me stupid.  Time to do other shit away from the computer.  Like reading.  See ya la ter.
08:05  * Bahhumbug &
08:06 <@NotLarry> looks like a good idea
08:07 <@NotLarry> but I've been busy owning people at lol showdown
08:07 <@NotLarry> Got to drive to bryan and install some equipment.:|
08:13 <@NotLarry> So, my coworker just came in and asked me if I had reported the light out in the mens room.  I asked "the light I turned off Friday?"
08:14 <@Evilpig> that's when you let him report things like that
08:15 <@NotLarry> That is titus.
08:15 <@NotLarry> I am starting to think it is just me.
08:15 <@Evilpig> I kept telling you he was a moron as well
08:16 <@Catonic> kind wish I spoke whatever pfSense uses for queues, because I know dummynet, and dummynet it's not.
08:21 <@NotLarry> I just wish he didn't feel the need to explain in detail and very slowly shit I already know or don't care about.
08:22 <@Evilpig> he didn't do that to me.  but then again I was very clear in my body language that I thought he was a fucking moron as well
08:22 <@Evilpig> I also found it useful to cut him short if he started talking and it wasn't directly relevant to anything.
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09:53 <@NotLarry> Yeah, I just walked out in the middle of whatever he was saying and went to Bryan:)
09:53 <@NotLarry> and he continues to talk.
09:53 <@NotLarry> I worry about his cough
09:53 <@NotLarry> He isn't sounding so good
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12:13 <@Catonic> Evilpig: dude
13:39 < RangerZ1> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/12/29/1634239/cracking-atlanta-subways-poorly-encrypted-rfid-smart-cards-is-a-breeze atl people might find this interesting
13:39 < GateKeeper> Title: Cracking Atlanta Subway's Poorly-Encrypted RFID Smart Cards Is a Breeze - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org)
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14:58 <@brimstone> neat
15:01 < sdodson> brimstone, what's neat?
15:02 <@brimstone> poorly secured mass trans cards
15:03 <@brimstone> from RangerZ1's link a bit back
15:03 <@brimstone> what's neat with you sdodson?
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15:07 < RangerZ1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaxCMsdYwcg i'm fine with bombing this electric company
15:07 < GateKeeper> Title: Fukushima Responders Starting To Get Sick - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:08 < sdodson> brimstone, I don't work for a few more days and I've de-drm'd my nook books
15:08 <@brimstone> cool
15:09 < sdodson> brimstone, do you have an e-reader? I wonder how useful a non B&N or Amazon device is
15:09 <@brimstone> i do not
15:09 < RangerZ1> sdodson: some aren't too bad
15:09 < sdodson> My 4 year old nook is starting to hold a charge for like 5 days even in airplane mode.
15:10 < RangerZ1> the real issue is if you want e-ink or 'tablet'
15:11 < sdodson> e-ink 4 life
15:12 < RangerZ1> hmm... I haven't heard of 'any' good e-ink devices lately
15:14 < RangerZ1> http://reviews.cnet.com/e-book-readers/
15:14 < GateKeeper> Title: E-book Reader Reviews - CNET Reviews (at reviews.cnet.com)
15:14 < RangerZ1> this looks to be somewhat useful
15:16 < RangerZ1> ohh damn... I thought the 'find the right ebook reader' section, was a recommended guide, not just a 'search' feature
15:16 < RangerZ1> thats poor UI right there, very misleading
15:17 < sdodson> i think the kindle is probably the best device right now
15:17 < sdodson> I always find myself rooting for the underdog however.
15:17 < RangerZ1> http://calibre-ebook.com/
15:17 < GateKeeper> Title: calibre - E-book management (at calibre-ebook.com)
15:18 < RangerZ1> either way, if you aren't using that, i'd suggest checking it out
15:18 < sdodson> Yeah, I used Calibre to de-drm all my current nook books. As there's some I haven't finished reading and I'd like to import into whatever device Ib uy in the future.
15:18 < RangerZ1> best software i've used
15:18 < RangerZ1> oh ok
15:19 < RangerZ1> if not going for a tablet
15:19 < RangerZ1> i'd say a smaller e-ink would probably be best
15:20 < RangerZ1> but thats just me
15:20 < RangerZ1> though I used my nexus 7 as an ebook reader all the time
15:20 < RangerZ1> but I read light novels from japan on them through  http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/ 's android app
15:20 < GateKeeper> Title: Baka-Tsuki (at www.baka-tsuki.org)
15:21 < RangerZ1> some great stories (Like Campione!) that'll never get US releases
15:21 < sdodson> really don't like backlit stuffs
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15:52 <@Catonic> sdodson: hey man, how goes?
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17:42 <@Evilpig> oh this is not gonna end well
17:42 <@Evilpig> apparently I fell asleep after I got home from the dc and just woke up
18:04 < sdodson> Catonic, super duper
18:04 < sdodson> waking up at 5pm is rough
18:29 < scribbles> truly a hard knock life
18:31 <@Evilpig> the last few days i've slipped back into my vandy schedule of being up all night and sleeping all day which doesn't work well when you're working a day shift
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18:54 < sdodson> Exciting changes coming to IRC! http://ircv3.atheme.org/
18:54 < GateKeeper> Title: IRCv3 Working Group (at ircv3.atheme.org)
18:54 <@brimstone> ... v3?
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18:56 <@brimstone> ha, irssi isn't on there
18:57 < sdodson> brimstone, bleeding edge new hotness
18:58 < sdodson> This reminds me, we use IRC extensively at work, I'm trying to get Microsoft Comic Chat working on my laptop for the lulz
18:58 <@brimstone> apparently
18:59 <@brimstone> we use gtalk AND skype at work
18:59 <@brimstone> :(
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19:00 < sdodson> brimstone, where'd you move to again? in ATL amirite?
19:00 <@brimstone> yup
19:01 < sdodson> brimstone, cool shit?
19:01 <@brimstone> yeah, pretty tight dawg
19:01 < sdodson> brimstone, whaddya do?
19:02 <@brimstone> ops stuff
19:04 < sdodson> I meant to review all our ops docs for my properties over the holiday break but meh
19:04 < sdodson> I guess it's just one property, but it's a mess of stacks.
19:05 < sdodson> better ops docs = less calls to sdodson at 2am
19:07 <@brimstone> true story
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19:29 < scribbles> atl represent
19:48 <@Evilpig> sdodson: that's funny.  I might mess with that at work tomorrow
19:49 <@Evilpig> http://www.mermeliz.com/cchat.htm
19:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Multi-Language Download Page for Microsoft Comic Chat 2.5 (at www.mermeliz.com)
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19:57 < RangerZ1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u0IRBLN1fs I've been wondering this too for a while
19:57 < GateKeeper> Title: Why Is Google Buying Up Robotics Leading Companies? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:02 <@Evilpig> the obvious answer is skynet
20:03 <@SuMo_D> Holy crap so... my dreams have come true! - WE BOUGHT A LASER CUTTER TODAY!!!!!!!!
20:03  * SuMo_D does a happy dance 
20:04 <@SuMo_D> I can't wait to laser everything and their mama's faces off!
20:04 <@SuMo_D> also this is pretty interesting http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/12/29/on-the-sexualized-insult-not-for-the-faint-of-heart/
20:05 <@SuMo_D> how's everyone doing today?
20:06 <@Bahhumbug> Shitty.
20:06 <@Bahhumbug> My Bears lost.
20:09 <@Bahhumbug> https://gitorious.org/c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality/source/cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33:
20:10 < GateKeeper> Title: ./ in cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33 - Gitorious (at gitorious.org)
20:10 <@Bahhumbug> ...
20:12 <@Evilpig> someone fetch me my laptop
20:12 < RangerZ1> Bahhumbug: you're still following that monstrosity ?
20:12 <@Catonic> tits.
20:15 <@anarchival> I saw that a few weeks ago, and I still can't decide if it's serious. I'm pretty sure it's not serious. I think it's a troll. Maybe? At any rate, it's brilliant.
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20:17 < RangerZ1> what I find finny is... I never met a female like that even when I was in berkeley for 2 months, but I than ran into one in nashville a few weeks ago
20:17 <@Evilpig> it still funny
20:17 <@Evilpig> var int privilege "Yes"; 
20:17 <@Evilpig>  // this may look wrong, but the int is allowed to FEEL like a String.
20:17 <@Evilpig>  // Don't be such a bigot.
20:17 < RangerZ1> I'd like to see a c++ >> c+= converter
20:18 <@Bahhumbug> I am not "following" it.  I saw someone in #rhel link it today so I looked (I ignored it when I saw it earlier here).  They have a channel here and everything.
20:18 <@Bahhumbug> This is simply idiotic.
20:18 <@anarchival> You have to know enough feminist theory to get the joke.
20:18 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, I'll pass.  It's all senseless noise and bullshit.
20:19 <@anarchival> It's really humor by and for feminist programmers, which is why I love it whether it's serious or a troll.
20:19 <@anarchival> cybergurrrrrrl
20:21 <@anarchival> http://excoradfeminisms.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/bell_hooks-feminism_is_for_everybody.pdf
20:22 <@Evilpig> tl;dr;  propaganda
20:23 <@anarchival> I feel sad when programmers are functionally illiterate.
20:23 <@anarchival> Sys admins have more of an excuse, though.
20:26 <@Bahhumbug> ...
20:30 <@SuMo_D> LASER ALL THE FACES OFF
20:31 <@SuMo_D> then all the rest of the issues go away
20:31 <@anarchival> I heard a story about a guy who used a laser cutter to give himself a tattoo.
20:31 <@anarchival> I don't think I'd recommend that.
20:32 < aestetix> So
20:32 < aestetix> I have the craziest story ever.
20:33 < aestetix> I'm currently in Germany at 30c3. On Friday, a friend of mine commited suicide (long story).
20:33 < aestetix> So, I go into the hackerlounge area, and my friend comes up and says "What's up"?
20:33 < aestetix> My friend is german, english is not his first language
20:33 < aestetix> I say "I had a rough night last night"
20:33 < aestetix> He says, what happened
20:33 < aestetix> I say "My friend passed away"
20:33 < aestetix> He mishears this as "My friend passed out" and promptly asks "Did you draw a penis on his face?"
20:34 < aestetix> I'm like "Before or after he died?"
20:35 < aestetix> It was hilarious. When I pointed out I said "passed away" and not "passed out" he shut up very quickly and I laughed very hard.
20:37 < aestetix> wow that made the channel go silent
20:38 < scribbles> sorry I was still processing it being the craziest ever, there's a lot of human history still left to compare to. I'll get back as soon as I can.
20:38 < aestetix> scribbles: that statement was infallible.
20:38 <@anarchival> I'm sorry you lost your friend.
20:38 < aestetix> anarchival: thanks
20:39 < scribbles> jk aestetix :)
20:39 < scribbles> this isn't related to @conorpotpie is it?
20:39 < aestetix> scribbles: yes
20:39 < scribbles> sorry man
20:40 < aestetix> I've gotten back at him by making jokes about german funeral rituals.
20:40 < aestetix> scribbles: thanks
20:40 < aestetix> scribbles: are you in TN? I'm surprised that hit your radar
20:40 < scribbles> atl
20:41 <@anarchival> You mean where they put their dead in boats and set them on fire?
20:41 < scribbles> caught it from Kaminsky's tweet that he was @conorpotpie's final tweet
20:41 < aestetix> anarchival: well, first they have the open wake where all the relatives get sharpies and draw penises and vaginas on the dead guy's face
20:42 < aestetix> scribbles: got it
20:42 < aestetix> Yeah, Kaminsky is good friends with them
20:43 < aestetix> Let's just say 30c3 has been one crisis after another.
20:43 < scribbles> even down to laptop thefts apparently?
20:43 < aestetix> The drama level here is surreal. And part of it is because so many of us knew Conor.
20:44 < aestetix> scribbles: that has shocked me. That stuff has *never* happened at Congress before.
20:44 < aestetix> (this is my fifth Congress)
20:44 < aestetix> Also apparently attendance is slightly over 9000
20:47 <@Evilpig> there.  with a little symlinking on the mac side, a junction on the windows side, and some assistence by dropbox my borderlands 2 game is now synced between the work macbook and the home pc
20:48 <@Evilpig> take that steam.  not wanting to sync between platforms.
20:48 <@Dagmar> At least until Steam Cloud gets into a tangle with it and sodomizes all your golden keys off
20:48 <@Evilpig> It won't sync between them
20:49 <@Evilpig> that's what annoyed me this morning when I got to work.  I fired it up expecting to pick up where I left off but nope.  had to sit through the fucking intro all over again
20:51 <@SuMo_D> aestetix sorry to hear about your friend
20:51 <@Dagmar> You didn't have Borderlands 2 before now?
20:51 <@Dagmar> Man we'll have to do some of that
20:51 <@Dagmar> Also, I suggest googling for their golden key codes about once a week or so
20:52 <@Evilpig> I dont' play fps games.  they tend to make me motionsick.  but I figured it had been a while so i'd try one again
20:53 < aestetix> Ok.
20:53 <@brimstone> minecraft is fps
20:53 <@Dagmar> Well, that's a good one.
20:53 < aestetix> In typical Congress fashion, I now have to spend time putting together a talk I'm supposed to be giving in 8 hours.
20:53 <@Evilpig> minecraft never did it.  probably because the pace of action is so much slower
20:53 < aestetix> It's worth noting it's 3am here
20:53 <@brimstone> 8 hours? why so far in advance?
20:54 <@Evilpig> aestetix: that gives you 7 hours to drink still
20:54 < aestetix> Evilpig: yes, and our assembly has a keg
20:54 < aestetix> some of you should come here next year
20:54 <@Evilpig> if you pace yourself you can even oppress some women 
20:55 < aestetix> I would love to see a southerner and a german have a drinking contest
20:56 < aestetix> Evilpig: I hear the way to pick up chicks is to draw penises on dead people
20:56 <@Evilpig> that does sound reasonable
20:57 <@anarchival> I've always wanted to go to Congress.
20:57 <@anarchival> Then again, I've always wanted to go to DragonCon too and I've never done that, either.
20:57 <@anarchival> I could probably drink a German under the table, though.
20:58 < aestetix> btw
20:58 < aestetix> Germans tell amazingly funny Nazi jokes
20:58 <@anarchival> I bet my Sturmabteilung story would fucking kill there.
21:00 < aestetix> Although one issue I have
21:00 < aestetix> Congress is basically the polar opposite of DefCon
21:00 < aestetix> DefCon is effectivelly supporting the surveillance state
21:01 < aestetix> Congress seems to have this assumption that the US basically needs to die
21:01 <@anarchival> The Germans have an above-average understanding of the dangers of the surveillance state, for obvious reasons.
21:01 < aestetix> anarchival: yes and no
21:02 < aestetix> ugh
21:02 < aestetix> Just like phreaknic, the issue here is getting no sleep
21:05 < aestetix> anarchival: what I mean to say is, the answer to that is complex and I don't have the energy to share my view right now :)
21:06 <@anarchival> Discussing the geopolitical implications of 20th century fascism is too complicated for IRC? Psht.
21:06 < aestetix> hahaha
21:06 < aestetix> it is too complicated for IRC when I am not stoned
21:07 <@SuMo_D> I love Germany... I would love to go one day... I hope I get to the point I can travel that far again
21:08 < aestetix> ok
21:09 <@SuMo_D> ok
21:10 <@Shadow404> yeah, and in germany, at least woman know to stay in the ktichen
21:10 <@SuMo_D> ha
21:11 < aestetix> Shadow404: I think germans are also into butt play
21:11 <@Shadow404> majorly, yeah
21:11 <@SuMo_D> I still haven't been able to track down my transplant donor
21:11 <@SuMo_D> but I think she was German
21:12 <@SuMo_D> she sent me a Christmas card partially in German the first year
21:12 < aestetix> Shadow404: the first time I came to germany, I was mad because no matter where I looked I couldn't find scat porn
21:12 <@Shadow404> SuMo_D: which part?
21:13 <@Shadow404> aestetix: gross
21:13 <@SuMo_D> Shadow404 - still haven't tracked her down, it was the first year, so I wasn't allowed to contact her yet
21:13 < aestetix> Shadow404: the only words I know in german are "ausgang" and "scheisse"
21:13 < aestetix> and I probalby spelled that wrong
21:14 <@SuMo_D> with stem cell unmatched donors in international situations you are required to wait two years - I got the Christmas Card through the transplant agency
21:14 < RangerZ1> so NPR had an interesting story about Germany's beer industry
21:14 < aestetix> speaking of scat porn, I'm gonna go take a shower
21:14 < RangerZ1> apparently the average amount of beer drank by germans is going down, since it isn't he only source of refuge they have from the cold and provides the only clean drinking water... i mean...
21:14 < RangerZ1> hehe
21:15 < RangerZ1> apparently wines are making inroads in the younger generations
21:15 <@oddball> That's pretty much the case around the world.
21:16 <@SuMo_D> mmm its glugwine time of year...
21:16 <@oddball> Of course, there's been some concern because the amount of world-wide wine consumption has gone up while the amount of production has gone down.  Although, it looks like the drop in production is more due to overstock than anything else.
21:17 <@oddball> glugwine?
21:17 <@SuMo_D> one of the best things about Germany, when bumming around... was that good bear was very cheap... like... a dollar basically... and if you recycled the can you could get 50 cents back
21:17 <@SuMo_D> oddball not sure if I spelled that right... but yeah the hot wine with the spices and stuff
21:18 <@oddball> oh... mulled wine?
21:18 <@oddball> Or is this something different?
21:19 <@brimstone> glüghwine is mulled wine
21:19 <@brimstone> we have some
21:19 <@oddball> Ah... ok.
21:19 <@oddball> I've actually never had any mulled wine.
21:20 <@oddball> And, while I've bought bottles that came with the mulling spices, I've never done that with meade, either.
21:22 <@oddball> Speaking of which... I've got another batch of apple pie on the stove.  My last batch was consumed at an ugly sweater party last night, and it was requested at the New Year's party.
21:30 <@SuMo_D> mmm pi
21:32 <@SuMo_D> so... anybody in here ever tried to make their own micro controller powered LED strands? any tips?
21:33 <@SuMo_D> I have some extra pegboard from this other project I was working on and I want to try to make a DIY matrix on it
21:42 <@anarchival> Vintage consoles and computers in the browser because JS is dangerous: https://github.com/jsmess/jsmess
21:42 < GateKeeper> Title: jsmess/jsmess · GitHub (at github.com)
21:43 <@anarchival> Even though it doesn't appear to emulate my first computer which makes me sad. :(
21:44 < RangerZ1> how do you emulate ENIAC
21:44 < RangerZ1> -_-
21:45 <@anarchival> whirring and clicking noises?
21:46 < RangerZ1> http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16069300-sucking-in-san-francisco
21:46 < GateKeeper> Title: Sucking in San Francisco (Vampires of San Francisco, #1) by Jessica McBrayer — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists (at www.goodreads.com)
21:46 < RangerZ1> and  no... its not about gay vampires
21:46 < RangerZ1> but... its more Twilight drivel
21:46 <@anarchival> *hisses*
21:46 < RangerZ1> ohh I'm a female vamp...and I have 2 males I like
21:46 < RangerZ1> I'm ~60% through the audio book
21:47 < RangerZ1> i'll finish it... but i'm NOT hopeful
21:47 <@anarchival> http://stoney321.livejournal.com/317176.html
22:06  * oddball grabs Spaceballs: the Flamethrower.
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22:18 < sdodson> RangerZ1, that video about google and robots, crashes chrome... coincidence? I think not
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22:38 < RangerZ1> sdodson: you know... i don't know what it is, but youtube doesn't play as well on chrome as FF or ....IE... latley
22:47 < sdodson> RangerZ1, that video was trying to run flash player and i'm running flash in another tab for a game, but that shouldn't affect it
23:27 <@SuMo_D> so... does anybody know what SAP is? Is it like Six Sigma or something?
23:31 <@anarchival> At my last company, it was our enterprise accounting software.
23:43 <@Bahhumbug> Shitty and Poor
23:44 < RangerZ1> sumo, SAP in what area of topic
23:45 < RangerZ1> SuMo_D: ^^
23:45 < RangerZ1> http://www.sap.com/index.html is mostly what tech people are referring to when talking about SAP
23:45 <@SuMo_D> I think that's it RangerZ1
23:46 <@SuMo_D> what does it do?
23:46 < RangerZ1> basically custom CMS + servers is the 'simplest' answer
23:46 < RangerZ1> fortune 500 type softare
23:47 <@SuMo_D> I'm maybe looking to work with somebody that has a Sr. SAP specialist at some high power places
23:47 <@SuMo_D> cool
23:47 < RangerZ1> think of it as CISCO for software
23:47 < RangerZ1> similiar levels of 'certs' IIRC
23:47 <@SuMo_D> that's what I thought... and that lines up with what they've been saying... but yeah.. was trying to get my head around it. The SAP website is confusing
23:48 <@SuMo_D> that makes a lot more sense - thx :)
23:50 < RangerZ1> http://www.sap.com/training-education/certification.html yeah it looks like they do have certs, etc
23:50 <@SuMo_D> so I found this site https://www.inventables.com
23:50 < GateKeeper> Title: SAP Certifications | Training & Education | SAP | SAP (at www.sap.com)
23:50 < GateKeeper> Title: Inventables: The Hardware Store for Designers (at www.inventables.com)
23:51 < RangerZ1> ohh SuMo_D wait
23:51 <@SuMo_D> make all the things!
23:51 < RangerZ1> http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Global_Village_Construction_Set
23:51 < GateKeeper> Title: Global Village Construction Set - Open Source Ecology (at opensourceecology.org)
23:51 <@SuMo_D> what am I waiting for
23:51 < RangerZ1> make ALLL the things
23:52 <@SuMo_D> ALLLLLLL
23:52 < RangerZ1> a full 'you can build a city with these tools' that'll fit in a shipping container (thats the goal, i kinda doubt it'll be that small with the car/truck)
23:53 <@SuMo_D> who knows... there's some industrious people out there...
23:54 <@SuMo_D> ya know... pyramids... you can do a lot with enough labor
23:54 < RangerZ1> ehh
23:54 < RangerZ1> HistoryAliensCrazyGuyWithHair.jpg
23:55 < RangerZ1> lol
23:55 <@SuMo_D> lol
23:55 <@SuMo_D> RangerZ1 I haven't heard much about your holiday, you hanging in?
23:56 < RangerZ1> jobless on the first
23:56 < RangerZ1> so meeting tomorrow to talk about funding
23:57 < RangerZ1> otherwise just stayed at home, and enjoyed some downtime
23:58 < RangerZ1> was told last monday, that the funding source ran out
23:58 < RangerZ1> so i decided 'yep, i'm pretty much done working'
23:58 < RangerZ1> LOL
23:58 <@SuMo_D> lol
23:58 <@SuMo_D> you'll find something
23:58 <@SuMo_D> ya gots skillz
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